November 30, 2024 • 37 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on a Catholic chapel in Switzerland developing an AI avatar of “Jesus” that takes questions from visitors, then offers responses based on Scripture AND a warning against young men developing relationships with AI girlfriends…PLUS – Mark Rahner takes you inside the dystopian world of New York, 2329 with the gripping dialog he’s written for the new Critical Hit Games release ‘Nobody Wants To Die’ in ‘The Rahner Report’ - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Who wants their own personal Jesus, Well, it's just about here.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm talking about an ai Jesus.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You could tell all your thoughts, all your concerns, make
all your prayers too. I'm not joking, I'm being serious.
Researchers and religious leaders yesterday released findings from a two
month experiment through art in a Catholic chapel in Switzerland,
where an avatar of Jesus on a computer screen I'm
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thinking like Max Headroom, tucked into a confessional, took questions
by visitors on faith, morality, and modern day problems, and
then responded based on scripture. The idea, said the chapel's
theological assistant, was to recognize the importance of artificial intelligence
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and human lives even when it comes to religion, and
explore the limits of human trust in a machine.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't know how to feel about this personally.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think there's something obviously wrong when you're having a
non human try to interpret the human experience and then
you try to relate it to faith, when a machine
obviously has no faith, and as far as we know,
doesn't have a soul, doesn't have any type of real personhood.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean, it's one thing to have AI to help
you get to you know, your party faster via Google Maps.
And it's another thing if you want to ask chat GPT,
how to you know better bake a loaf of bread
or something like that, or you know, what's a better
stock trading strategy. But when you're asking questions about morality
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faith from something that couldn't possibly have any type of
moral foundation, couldn't possibly have any sense of humanity, and
is basically reciting from wrote scripture which has been input
but can't be internalized. I don't know the value in that.
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I mean that just sounds like a fortune cookie.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Basically, there can be value on this, there can be
any value any spiritual connection, any religious connection to something
that as AI that that's the opposite of what faith
and religion and all of that entails. It's something I'm
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sorry I was just say. If you're looking, if you're
using AI to look up a certain scripture in the Bible,
that's fine.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
But to.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Pastor to you to help answer your questions that you're
asking of it about faith from a computer, from a robot.
This is in times man, I.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
How can I have faith little f in a machine
that we created, asking the questions about our own creation?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
How does that work? You know?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
How is it that we've created something that's going to
then supplant actual people who are reading the Word of
God and interpreting it and then helping pastor and shepherd
and guide people. And I think this is a very
appropriate discussion to have as we move into this particular
Christmas season, or even if you happen to be Jewish
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and moving into Hanukkah season, we have questions about faith
and where we belong in this universe. I think maybe
bastardization is too strong a word, but this isn't in
any way attractive.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
To me at all.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's not too strong, that's not too strong. This seeks
to undo a millennia of teachings. You know, this is
when mankind jumps to shark.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and we've seen variations of this. I know they
have online therapists with your bots. I know you can
get on most websites and they have chatbots to kind
of maneuver you through whatever you need to do with
that particular company. And I see this as that on steroids,
where I can ask religious questions or questions about the
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story of Job, the story of Ruth, or how should
I look at the story of Damian and Pitheis or
David and Jonathan and friendship.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
No, it's basically.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Internalizing all the script, sure, and then through algorithms responding
to any number of questions which have been pre programmed,
and it can learn in machine learning terms. I just
don't know if it has any value given what actual
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human interaction is required when it's required now.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And see this is where I side with Mark when
I take a standards the robotic overlords, because I look
at this as generations down the line, say, learning about
say history or religion or anything like that from an
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AI program that is controlled or created by people. How
does that, then, you know, actualize or give people a
real understanding of any of this if it's coming from
a computer that's been programmed.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, and the computer cannot experience the world in which
we live in other words, to the teachings which were
applicable back in nineteen forty five for that world, it's
not the same world that we live in right now.
And you can't tell me that the machine, just because
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it has been that information input that it can understand
our world in the way that we understand and interface.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
With the world.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
A computer can spit information back at you, but it
has no wisdom.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's a better way to put it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, it can learn, but it can't be wise. And
when you're talking about issues of faith, it has to
do with wisdom, not just content in a book. And
I think it cheapens the whole idea of faith where
we can just pre program certain answers because it can
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read all the books of the Bible, that can have
all the sermonic interpretation of the greatest preachers and pastors
over the years, and then just spit it back out
with no real connection with the person who is asking
the question of why did Job go through all that suffering?
What was it about his experience that helped people in
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the years afterwards reading his story? Now, I'm quite sure
that the AI can come up with an answer, and
I don't want to get into exegesis and all that
kind of stuff. It can come up with an answer,
but it's not coming up with an answer which is
suited for that person in that moment and in their journey,
and also there should be a relationship. You know, it's
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not like you just go to confession if you happen
to be a Catholic, or you.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Go to church and that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
No, you develop a relationship, a one to one relationship
not only with your Lord and Savior, but also with
your pastor with preacher, with anyone who's head of the clergy,
your priest. You can't do that with an AI.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You just can't.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
If you're looking for meaning in your life, it's not
going to come from a computer, which at the best
can behave like an index that you can thumb through.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And we use that as a lead into this next
story when we come back on the other side of
the break, we want to talk about how an ex
Google CEO warns that the quote unquote perfect AI girlfriends
could spell trouble because you know, we spend more and
more time on the computer on our phones looking to connect,
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and people are going to start finding actual AI boyfriends
and girlfriends in the near future.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, twell, you're right, we're going to hell in a
hand basket.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Kelly K.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Last segment, we were
broaching the idea of having an AI Jesus, and that
presumes then you would have a spiritual relationship with an AI,
that AI would give you advice or some sort of
personal enhancement in your life where you would feel feel
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more fulfilled. But it doesn't have to be just spiritual fulfillment.
Eric Schmidt, Google's former CEO, recently shared his concerns about
young men creating AI romantic partners, and he said that
he believes AI dating will actually increase loneliness.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's not something that's in the future. It's already here.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Young men, especially are people who are using these AI
relationship apps. And there's a companion app called Replica r
ep Lka, and it says said most of the app
users are thirty five and older men. But Eric Schmidt
believes that young men are particularly vulnerable because well, he said, basically,
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they're not as educated as women. On average, we're not
as smart as women. And that's a true story. That's
a true story. A twenty twenty four Pew research study
found US women outpaced men in college completion. Schmid also
said that in extreme cases, younger men can turn to
the online world for enjoyment and sustenance, but also because
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of the social media algorithms, they find like minded people
who ultimately radicalize them.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Close quote was that, Oh it was the Bruce Willis
movie Surrogates, and how people were basically using physical avatars
to interact with the world like the perfect version of themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
They didn't actually meet anyone.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You just had avatars, physical life robot avatars who would
live in the world and interact with other avatars.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And I remember thinking like, yeah, I could see that happening.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We are slowly approaching that point where we don't actually
interact and interface and connect with each other. We're just
social media profiles. We're avatars and that's about it. Or
people will swipe left and swipe right, but not looking
for real connection. I don't know what that world is like,
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if only because I got married in twenty sixteen, and
at least from a dating standpoint, I don't know what
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Tender is like, I don't know what that world is like.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't know what guy would who's twenty four years old,
how he goes out to meet someone in an app sence.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Well, it's real tricky. I mean it's very very tricky
because even when you're on these dating apps, so many
of the profiles appear to be AI created AI during
the half these apps or half these people that you
see in these apps, they don't even look real. A
lot of the interactions you may have seem computer generated.
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And it's always risky, and I think it's risky for women,
is risky for men, it's risky for everyone, even going
out on these dates. I have seen recently in different
reports where there are guys who are thinking that they're
going to meet some young lady and they end up
getting to a spot just getting jumped and robbed, and
it's just a setup. And I'm just like, see, this
is how it happens. Because they thought they met some
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hot lady who was saying all the right things on
social media. He's busy giving up all the information. He
got robbed when he got.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
To the date. And I can see how it's attractive.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Or you can have these online relationships with six or
seven different people, and I say people in air quotes,
because you really never know who you're interacting with, and
it could be a way to pass time. It can
be in some way fulfilled, but I don't know if
it's actually actually fulfilling the need of connection or relationship.
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And going back to the story, if you're a younger
person or in your formative years as an adolescent, it
could probably be a barrier for you having normal what
I would call normal relationships with actual people. There's something
I have noticed as someone who's not a part of
this gen Z generation. I find a lot of the
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gen Z generation don't know how to like look me
in the eye when you're talking to them. Don't know
general etiquette or how you greet someone, or the how
to just talk to someone. And I'm not talking about dating.
I'm just talking about just you know, just going through life.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Twelve you could probably tell me better. Your son is
of age eighteen now and he's dating. I don't know
how they actually meet someone. My son's they would just
change exchange Instagrams. They wouldn't even exchange phone numbers to
just say, let me get your ID so they could
message and you know, see picks of one another. But
you know, they'll sit in a room for hours and
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just be on their phones. I'll get it, and it's
a lot like that. The whole dating idea seems to
be so secondary. It's like my son he started working,
and now that he's working, he's excited about the idea
of being at work because he's around people. He's like, man,
I ha gotten, this is such a rut of being
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at home and being on the phone and being online
talking to people. He said, I forgot how fun it
is and how good it is to be out and
interacting with people. But it's funny because like even on
our way to Thanksgiving dinner, that's nice. Like my daughter
from the back seat is like, remember, put your phone
in your pocket. We are not there to be on
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our phones. We are there to interact with people. And this,
you know, one of those out of the mouth from
Babes thing, because it's like, yeah, I keep forgetting, like
he will have his phone with him at all time,
and you see him and his friends together, they're still
all on their phones. Yeah, him and his homeboys in
each other's presence, in their presence. Yes, I'm like, it's
such a weird thing. I think about generations to come.
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If Ai and that there was a tragic story about
a young man a couple of weeks ago that committed
suicide when an AI relationship went left. And I think
about what this Google executives is alluding to is how
these AI relationships they stand the chance to really really
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ruin a lot of young men's lives, young women too,
who get caught up into these relationships that aren't really
when they can't fulfill them in real life, it's when
they have these very tragic results. Well, he was explicit.
He said it actually may increase loneliness. And then also
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there was another word that he used as far as
being radicalized, where they will develop these views, these disproportionate
views of what reality is is out of sync and
out of whack with what reality is and their expectations
of what should come from life. Well, they have this,
I'll say a family member of mine, I don't want
to be specific, but he was struggling with some internal
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self worth issues. But he was judging other people on
what they were putting up on Instagrams, like well, this
person has this, and that person has that, and I
don't have any of that. And I had to explain
to him, it's like that's not the real world. You know,
that person probably is renting that car, that person is
only showing you that they're going to these restaurants because
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they're trying to impress you.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's probably not their real lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The kids are growing up today with such a really
skewed idea of what reality and self worth is because
they're getting it externally as opposed to developing it internally.
It's being driven by what they see and not by
what they're actually experiencing. And you're not experiencing it when
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you're on your phone or looking at a computer screen.
But we know that because we remember life prior to
these screens.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
How hard is it to actually meet people?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
I'm like you, I have not been on any of
these apps because I've been out of circulation, but I
never had trouble meeting people when I wasn't out of circulation.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Look, I may be a radio host today, but back
in the day, I was always a kid who had
quote unquote the gift of gab. I could talk my
way into some things, and I could talk my way
out of some things. But part of that was actually
using socialization skills, knowing how to talk to someone, knowing
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how to convince someone. Everybody's going to ask that girl
because I was a boy at the time asked that
girl for her number, But why is she going to
pick me? Well, I'm gonna come at her a little
bit differently. You know, I may not comment on her
physical shape. I may comment on her smile or ask
her about what she likes. Tho, that was the whole game.
It was about being able to impress a young lady
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and have her see me and talk to me. Now
it's like, I don't know what they do. How does
anyone stand out other than sending them a photo?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I don't know much like Tony. I've always been an
awkward nerd, and so I don't think there we go,
he is away. I don't think you got to be perfect,
you know, make people laugh. They're not perfect either. It's
really not that difficult to me people.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It may not be if you actually did it for
a portion of your life.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I remember going to the night club.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
It's like, okay, guys, whoever has the most numbers comes
back with the most numbers tonight. You know, they don't
have to buy drinks afterward or something. You know, it
was always a game. It was always a competition. Ah,
you're dealing in volume.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I'm wrong, man.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The numbers game was.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you just didn't want to be
a suck at the end the night with like two
or three numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, those are impoverished.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, of course, But that's how we actually met young
women because you had to demonstrate that you could talk
to them or that you could dance, because they felt
if you could talk and you could dance and you
can probably do some other things.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Self confidence. I don't know. Look, I'm I'm old school
like that. You don't say so.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know what an AI girlfriend is going to
do for the next generation, but I can understand why
they're concerns.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It just cost you less. That's about it. It's Later
with mo Kelly if I am six forty, that's not.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Necessarily true because it's going to be a subscription charge
every month.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
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Speaker 1 (19:48):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (19:54):
Last night, I was talking to Marsha Collier and we
were talking about now that the holiday season is officially here,
and we were going to be making all sorts of purchases,
usually online, and having them delivered to our houses invariably
the porch. Pirates are going to be out there expecting
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our packages as well, and sure enough they've already begun.
Let me tell you about John Shinn, a Lawndale resident.
He was tracking his shipment of an expensive laptop. Okay,
it's a big deal, and I have been one to
buy more than one computer online and have it delivered
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as opposed to going to a store, So I understand
the concern and the worry. You want to be there
when it arrives. You don't want it sitting on your
porch near your door. You don't want that. You want
to be right there for it. Well, he was tracking
his shipment of an expensive laptop when he noticed it
had been delivered, but he wasn't the only one following
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the package. When Chin went to check the front of
his home near the intersection of Prairie and Manhattan Beach Boulevard,
package was nowhere to be found. Schen said that he
saw the UPS driver and followed him down the street
to stop and ask him about the missing package. The
driver said, well, some guy showed me his ID quote unquote.
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Chen later found footage of the exchange. The video showed
a stranger stopping the UPS driver as he stepped out
of the truck with Shin's package, the man showed the
driver something off his phone, possibly a fake ID, then
is handed the delivery.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's happening more and more.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
In fact, the post office was delivering a package for
me today and I happened to be in my garage
and I opened my garage, so the postal carrier knew
that I actually lived there and was able and unwilling
to hand the package to me. But by and large,
I hope they don't do that as a matter of core.
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So someone just runs up, you just hand the package.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
On the other hand, I'm quite sure the mailman, that's
what I'll call him, the mailman wants to deliver to
the ups driver wants to deliver it to the front door.
The guy can still steal it, but I guess he
was trying to avoid showing him up on the ring device.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, but this is another level of shade because we
think about all of the different ways people are using
these stolen IDs or any of any of the leaked information,
and for this individual to be able to shadow track
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an Amazon package and intercept it before its arrival, this
is a new level of low where these criminals or
these cyber criminals are utilizing this stolen idea information.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, it's another form of hacking.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I mean, I'm quite sure if you can hack someone's
email and track their packages, yeah, you know what they're
buying when it's going to show up, presumably, And it's
not that hard to create a fake ID with someone
else's name, which could pass a flash test where you're
just flashy it someone you're not trying to get in
a bar and have an actual bartender or law enforcement
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officer examine it and you can pass the flash test
and then you get the package. Look, anything of value
is liable to be stolen. And people know now, especially criminals,
know that there are expensive packages, valuable items which you're
going to be showing up on people's doorsteps every single
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day through the end of the year, every single day.
And you have to assume that your neighborhood, your street,
your house is a target. And Marshia Carrier and I
were talking about all the ways that you can try
the best protect yourself by having your package is sent
to like an Amazon box, or you yourself have to
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put in a code and get out your item. But
that's not necessarily convenient for everyone. I know, it's not
convenient for me, you know, especially when I'm working twenty
two miles away. Now there's usually someone always at my house.
But still, you know, there's still gaps in that there's
no way to get around all of it and all
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of us. As much as I like to be able
to depend on online shopping instead of physically going to
a store and having to argue with people about whether
it's okay to back my car into a parking space
and fighting with other people in the.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Line, I don't want to do all that. I'd rather
just go click click click click click click click.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Click click, and my package is on the way and
it'll get there in ten days or whatever amount of time.
But then I also have to worry about okay, you know,
I can see my front porch, which means that I
get the opportunity to watch someone steal my package from
my front porch. There's nothing that's full proof, but this
is where crime is headed, where they're getting more and
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more braz.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Have you had it happen to you yet, Mark, No.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
And the day that I see somebody run off with
like a book that I get off of eBay is
the day that you have to bail me out for homicide. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
See, I think that's my line in the sand.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
If you're going to come up on my property, yeah,
and steal something off my property, and I have the
opportunity to give chase, even though it's probably ill advised,
to say the least, it's ill advised. I don't know
if I will be able to resist that temptation, because
unless they're getting in a car which is very close by,
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I got a chance. I got a chance because usually
they're on foot. They're not going to drive right up
to your house. Why because they don't want to expose
their license plate. And if you've never had anything stolen
from you, you don't know how violating that feels. And
it's easy to mock it, and I want to mock it.
But when you have things stolen, like I had a
storage unit broken into, there's nothing more violating. It makes
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you want to curl up into a fetal position.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, Tweld will have the last word about storage unit
being damn.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Look to this day, the individual who violated my storage unit,
their parents, their children, any descent to anyone who shares
their same bloodline is cursed. I have put a curse
on them, a hex on them, a pox on them,
and I wish them nothing but hell.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I will pee on their graves with you very quickly.
Twelve with your storage unit. There was never any video
of the.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Now the public storage unit over there on the Lincoln
for some reason other the no cameras could catch anything
inside job.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's what I said. We have a run a report
coming up next.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
In just a moment, you're listening to Later with Moe
Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Nature, Mark talks about pontificates about pop culture, Ron and
Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
If I am six forty is Later with Mo Kelly?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Is that time in the show where Mark Ronner takes
over with the runner report.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
We all have stuff we do outside work here at KFI.
Mo has his martial arts classes and he also does
hits on other media. Tawala does the lord's work at
a school. And I know what you're thinking, but no,
I won't do porn. I haven't hit rock bottom yet,
maybe soon, but not yet.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I'm a writer.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
I've written a ton of comic books, articles about movies
and TV op eds. I've also written for video games
and this week are really cool ones out that I
wrote the dialogue for. It is called Nobody Wants to Die.
I know it sounds like that awful last James Bond movie,
but it's a future noir mystery, cyberpunk thriller game. It
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is beautifully rendered. It gets into some fairly sick and
unsettling territory and I could not be prouder of this thing.
Think Blade Runner in terms of visuals. But if you
get to be a detective and you have some wondrous
future tech for examining crime scenes and manipulating time at
the crime scenes, and as you get further and further
into this story, in this dystopian future where the bodies
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are piling up, you have a dawning realization of where
you stand amid all the corruption and cruelty and murder.
You know, perfect for kids. Nobody Wants to Die is
made by Critical Hit Games and Newish Company, and it
should be available. However, you play this stuff on Steam,
where it's got a nine out of ten so far,
fingers crossed on consoles, all of it everywhere. Here's here's
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some of it. This is an early trailer from about
four months ago that I wrote and we start off
and down an urban canyon of tall buildings and neons,
swarming with flying cars which are still somehow vintage looking.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
They say, time heals all wounds.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's d.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'll tell you what time does.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Time reveal secrets, Secrets that enslave us, the secrets that
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poison us, secrets that rip us apart.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Secrets.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
To drag the light.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Are.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
They'll drag me ow.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Now that's nobody wants to die. And the game looks
absolutely stunning. And I've always loved norm movies. You know
what those are. You've seen them, These hard boiled detective
movies that started in the forties and fifties that had
more cynical heroes, kind of anti heroes coming out of
World War Two with all the disillusionent that entailed. These
weren't guys who came home from the war and shouted
(30:49):
USA USA. They were generally sarcastic, self destructive, hit the
bottle pretty hard. The story's often involve a fem fetal
who's bad news but steer still resistible, you know, like
real life, very little, chasing tornadoes around in trucks as well.
You should know, you know, the Maltese falcon with Humphrey Bogart.
You've seen that, and we've talked about Monsieur Spade here
(31:11):
not long ago, the Clive Owens series that's really good.
Out of the Past with Robert Mitcham. Lots of great
newer ones too, or neo noir which they're called Robert Altmans.
The Long good Bye is one of my favorites. Scott
Elliott Gould in it. It's really good and if you
haven't seen that one, you should. And nobody wants to die.
You play as a detective in New York in the
year twenty three twenty nine who's called back on the
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job to investigate him off the book's case of mass
murder of the city's elite. This detective has some issues though.
For instance, he's not in his first body anymore and
he's having trouble settling into his new body. In this future,
you can transfer your mind, your consciousness to a new
body when you wear out the old one. If you
have the money. People who don't have the money, they
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have nots. They do what they gotta do, and it
isn't always pretty. And again I'm not talking about porn.
The choices you make throughout this game affect the outcome.
It's not a shooter, although there is some shooting, very procedural,
very visual, vibe oriented. Not the same old, same old.
Just to be clear, the game's absolutely not for kids.
Along with all the drinking and some fairly grizzly stuff,
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there is a very generous amount of swearing, which was
great fun writing. I'll tell you, by the way, there
were many times when we were racking our brains trying
to get the right phrasing for a line, and I'd ask,
how about just an m effort here? Oh yeah, that
works perfect, everybody wins. If we have time, i'll play
a little bit more from the official launch trailer that's
(32:34):
from this week. I've admitted here before though, that self
promotion just makes my skin crawl, which can be a
bit of a speed bump if you're working in the
radio business. And I want you to know also as
a writer, I don't get one dime exter, no matter
how many or how few people buy this game. I
have one payday when I finish my work. I'm only
telling you about the game right now because I think
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it's turned out to be something really special and I
think you're gonna love it. You can see gameplay of
Nobody Wants to Die on YouTube, along with reviews and
all sorts of other stuff, And since radio is more
of an ural medium, you kind of need to see
this for yourself in a visual medium. I spent a
few minutes looking up reviews last night. It's brand new
this week, and my favorite was surely someone wants to
(33:18):
Die hard to argue with that. Also, a user called
fart Night called the game a straight banger.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That's good, right, mo, Yeah, that's that's positive. You appreciate a.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Straight banger or banger perhaps less often in your later years.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Banger is always positive, unless it's preceded by gang in
a civic sense, you know, in the criminal sense.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, we're a little ahead on time. So let's just
hear a little bit more of the trailer. Why I
didn't have to beep out a swear word in my
own place.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Having a goal that's better than an activity, an alternative
to focusing on the symptoms and the memories.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm one hundred and.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Twenty years old, and I don't have any strength left
to keep recalling the past.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
You're a goddamn departmental legend legend.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Uh, more like cautionary tale.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I need access, do you think.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I don't know why the chief put you on restrictive duty.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
This case smells worse than a two week old corpse
and a storm drain. Can I ask you something personal?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Do you believe in life after death?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, apparently in the past people used to ask stuff
like that all.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
The time because the average lifespan was less than one
hundred years.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
And now can we believe in anything beyond this?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
What if you could choose the bank or death?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Now the bank is the memory bank, and if you're
too four poor to afford a new body, that's where
your consciousness goes, and it stays there until you get
some money or something changes. It's an absolutely stunning game.
Nobody wants to die. I hope you check it out.
I don't make any extra money telling you about it.
I'm just excited about it. It really turned out to
be a special thing. Sounded like Scarlett Johansson was doing
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that narration there. I don't know who did the narration.
I really wanted to do the voice of the detective
because as we're writing these lines of dialogue, I'm actually
performing them over Skype. With these guys at the company
in Poland, and I so wanted to do this, but
the guy who did it sounds terrific. How did you
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fall into this? Oh, nepotism and corruption? Of course, No,
it's like a lot of games or comics or things
like that. It's kind of who you know, combined with
what you've already done that you can show people. So
I had to display, if you'll pardon me for sounding
imodest about this, somewhat encyclopedic knowledge of noir films because
(36:04):
when I was back in grad school, I was going
to do my dissertation on existentialism and film war. So
I've seen a lot of the stuff and it's kind
of the way I write and talk, and you know,
it is definitely how you talk. So if you play
this game, or if you just watch the walkthrough on YouTube,
you'll kind of hear my voice, even though it's not
me doing the actual narration.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I'm very intrigued, and congratulations are in order, regardless of
whether you get another dime or not.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Thank you very much. It's a ton of fun. The
game is nobody wants to die. So why did you
keep it under wraps for so long? Well, I had
to sign an MDA. Oh the answer the question, Yeah,
they would have made me homeless if I violated the MDA.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I'm sure you understand how those were. Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
But it also was kind of a stealth release. When
I was looking up the reviews last night, I saw
that people felt that it was just kind of dropped
out of nowhere. There wasn't really any big build up
to this, And I don't know if that's because the
company is kind of a newer company or what, but
I feel like it's making a big splash coming right
out based on what I've seen so far. The reviews
(37:08):
are terrific, and I hope it keeps going that way.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, many congratulations to you, and hopefully you'll get to
voice it next time.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, for god's sake, what's a guy I have to do?
Who do I have to sleep with? Well, don't ask
that question, because someone will give you an answer.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Oop.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Oop, Look at the time. It's later with mo Kelly.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. What the hell
is going on? Well, we're about to tell you KF.
I'm kost HD two Los Angeles, Orange County, Live everywhere
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You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Who wants their own personal Jesus, Well, it's just about here.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm talking about an ai Jesus.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You could tell all your thoughts, all your concerns, make
all your prayers too. I'm not joking, I'm being serious.
Researchers and religious leaders yesterday released findings from a two
month experiment through art in a Catholic chapel in Switzerland,
where an avatar of Jesus on a computer screen I'm
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thinking like Max Headroom, tucked into a confessional, took questions
by visitors on faith, morality, and modern day problems, and
then responded based on scripture. The idea, said the chapel's
theological assistant, was to recognize the importance of artificial intelligence
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and human lives even when it comes to religion, and
explore the limits of human trust in a machine.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I don't know how to feel about this personally.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think there's something obviously wrong when you're having a
non human try to interpret the human experience and then
you try to relate it to faith, when a machine
obviously has no faith, and as far as we know,
doesn't have a soul, doesn't have any type of real personhood.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I mean, it's one thing to have AI to help
you get to you know, your party faster via Google Maps.
And it's another thing if you want to ask chat GPT,
how to you know better bake a loaf of bread
or something like that, or you know, what's a better
stock trading strategy. But when you're asking questions about morality
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faith from something that couldn't possibly have any type of
moral foundation, couldn't possibly have any sense of humanity, and
is basically reciting from wrote scripture which has been input
but can't be internalized. I don't know the value in that.
(02:30):
I mean that just sounds like a fortune cookie.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Basically, there can be value on this, there can be
any value any spiritual connection, any religious connection to something
that as AI that that's the opposite of what faith
and religion and all of that entails. It's something I'm
(02:53):
sorry I was just say. If you're looking, if you're
using AI to look up a certain scripture in the Bible,
that's fine.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
But to.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Pastor to you to help answer your questions that you're
asking of it about faith from a computer, from a robot.
This is in times man, I.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
How can I have faith little f in a machine
that we created, asking the questions about our own creation?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
How does that work? You know?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
How is it that we've created something that's going to
then supplant actual people who are reading the Word of
God and interpreting it and then helping pastor and shepherd
and guide people. And I think this is a very
appropriate discussion to have as we move into this particular
Christmas season, or even if you happen to be Jewish
(03:54):
and moving into Hanukkah season, we have questions about faith
and where we belong in this universe. I think maybe
bastardization is too strong a word, but this isn't in
any way attractive.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
To me at all.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That's not too strong, that's not too strong. This seeks
to undo a millennia of teachings. You know, this is
when mankind jumps to shark.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and we've seen variations of this. I know they
have online therapists with your bots. I know you can
get on most websites and they have chatbots to kind
of maneuver you through whatever you need to do with
that particular company. And I see this as that on steroids,
where I can ask religious questions or questions about the
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story of Job, the story of Ruth, or how should
I look at the story of Damian and Pitheis or
David and Jonathan and friendship.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
No, it's basically.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Internalizing all the script, sure, and then through algorithms responding
to any number of questions which have been pre programmed,
and it can learn in machine learning terms. I just
don't know if it has any value given what actual
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human interaction is required when it's required now.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
And see this is where I side with Mark when
I take a standards the robotic overlords, because I look
at this as generations down the line, say, learning about
say history or religion or anything like that from an
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AI program that is controlled or created by people. How
does that, then, you know, actualize or give people a
real understanding of any of this if it's coming from
a computer that's been programmed.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, and the computer cannot experience the world in which
we live in other words, to the teachings which were
applicable back in nineteen forty five for that world, it's
not the same world that we live in right now.
And you can't tell me that the machine, just because
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it has been that information input that it can understand
our world in the way that we understand and interface.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
With the world.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
A computer can spit information back at you, but it
has no wisdom.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's a better way to put it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, it can learn, but it can't be wise. And
when you're talking about issues of faith, it has to
do with wisdom, not just content in a book. And
I think it cheapens the whole idea of faith where
we can just pre program certain answers because it can
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read all the books of the Bible, that can have
all the sermonic interpretation of the greatest preachers and pastors
over the years, and then just spit it back out
with no real connection with the person who is asking
the question of why did Job go through all that suffering?
What was it about his experience that helped people in
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the years afterwards reading his story? Now, I'm quite sure
that the AI can come up with an answer, and
I don't want to get into exegesis and all that
kind of stuff. It can come up with an answer,
but it's not coming up with an answer which is
suited for that person in that moment and in their journey,
and also there should be a relationship. You know, it's
(07:38):
not like you just go to confession if you happen
to be a Catholic, or you.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Go to church and that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
No, you develop a relationship, a one to one relationship
not only with your Lord and Savior, but also with
your pastor with preacher, with anyone who's head of the clergy,
your priest. You can't do that with an AI.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You just can't.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
If you're looking for meaning in your life, it's not
going to come from a computer, which at the best
can behave like an index that you can thumb through.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And we use that as a lead into this next
story when we come back on the other side of
the break, we want to talk about how an ex
Google CEO warns that the quote unquote perfect AI girlfriends
could spell trouble because you know, we spend more and
more time on the computer on our phones looking to connect,
(08:34):
and people are going to start finding actual AI boyfriends
and girlfriends in the near future.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, twell, you're right, we're going to hell in a
hand basket.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Kelly K.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Last segment, we were
broaching the idea of having an AI Jesus, and that
presumes then you would have a spiritual relationship with an AI,
that AI would give you advice or some sort of
personal enhancement in your life where you would feel feel
(09:21):
more fulfilled. But it doesn't have to be just spiritual fulfillment.
Eric Schmidt, Google's former CEO, recently shared his concerns about
young men creating AI romantic partners, and he said that
he believes AI dating will actually increase loneliness.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's not something that's in the future. It's already here.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Young men, especially are people who are using these AI
relationship apps. And there's a companion app called Replica r
ep Lka, and it says said most of the app
users are thirty five and older men. But Eric Schmidt
believes that young men are particularly vulnerable because well, he said, basically,
(10:12):
they're not as educated as women. On average, we're not
as smart as women. And that's a true story. That's
a true story. A twenty twenty four Pew research study
found US women outpaced men in college completion. Schmid also
said that in extreme cases, younger men can turn to
the online world for enjoyment and sustenance, but also because
(10:33):
of the social media algorithms, they find like minded people
who ultimately radicalize them.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Close quote was that, Oh it was the Bruce Willis
movie Surrogates, and how people were basically using physical avatars
to interact with the world like the perfect version of themselves.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
They didn't actually meet anyone.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You just had avatars, physical life robot avatars who would
live in the world and interact with other avatars.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And I remember thinking like, yeah, I could see that happening.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We are slowly approaching that point where we don't actually
interact and interface and connect with each other. We're just
social media profiles. We're avatars and that's about it. Or
people will swipe left and swipe right, but not looking
for real connection. I don't know what that world is like,
(11:29):
if only because I got married in twenty sixteen, and
at least from a dating standpoint, I don't know what
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Tender is like, I don't know what that world is like.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't know what guy would who's twenty four years old,
how he goes out to meet someone in an app sence.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Well, it's real tricky. I mean it's very very tricky
because even when you're on these dating apps, so many
of the profiles appear to be AI created AI during
the half these apps or half these people that you
see in these apps, they don't even look real. A
lot of the interactions you may have seem computer generated.
(12:15):
And it's always risky, and I think it's risky for women,
is risky for men, it's risky for everyone, even going
out on these dates. I have seen recently in different
reports where there are guys who are thinking that they're
going to meet some young lady and they end up
getting to a spot just getting jumped and robbed, and
it's just a setup. And I'm just like, see, this
is how it happens. Because they thought they met some
(12:37):
hot lady who was saying all the right things on
social media. He's busy giving up all the information. He
got robbed when he got.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
To the date. And I can see how it's attractive.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Or you can have these online relationships with six or
seven different people, and I say people in air quotes,
because you really never know who you're interacting with, and
it could be a way to pass time. It can
be in some way fulfilled, but I don't know if
it's actually actually fulfilling the need of connection or relationship.
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And going back to the story, if you're a younger
person or in your formative years as an adolescent, it
could probably be a barrier for you having normal what
I would call normal relationships with actual people. There's something
I have noticed as someone who's not a part of
this gen Z generation. I find a lot of the
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gen Z generation don't know how to like look me
in the eye when you're talking to them. Don't know
general etiquette or how you greet someone, or the how
to just talk to someone. And I'm not talking about dating.
I'm just talking about just you know, just going through life.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Twelve you could probably tell me better. Your son is
of age eighteen now and he's dating. I don't know
how they actually meet someone. My son's they would just
change exchange Instagrams. They wouldn't even exchange phone numbers to
just say, let me get your ID so they could
message and you know, see picks of one another. But
you know, they'll sit in a room for hours and
(14:09):
just be on their phones. I'll get it, and it's
a lot like that. The whole dating idea seems to
be so secondary. It's like my son he started working,
and now that he's working, he's excited about the idea
of being at work because he's around people. He's like, man,
I ha gotten, this is such a rut of being
(14:30):
at home and being on the phone and being online
talking to people. He said, I forgot how fun it
is and how good it is to be out and
interacting with people. But it's funny because like even on
our way to Thanksgiving dinner, that's nice. Like my daughter
from the back seat is like, remember, put your phone
in your pocket. We are not there to be on
(14:50):
our phones. We are there to interact with people. And this,
you know, one of those out of the mouth from
Babes thing, because it's like, yeah, I keep forgetting, like
he will have his phone with him at all time,
and you see him and his friends together, they're still
all on their phones. Yeah, him and his homeboys in
each other's presence, in their presence. Yes, I'm like, it's
such a weird thing. I think about generations to come.
(15:14):
If Ai and that there was a tragic story about
a young man a couple of weeks ago that committed
suicide when an AI relationship went left. And I think
about what this Google executives is alluding to is how
these AI relationships they stand the chance to really really
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ruin a lot of young men's lives, young women too,
who get caught up into these relationships that aren't really
when they can't fulfill them in real life, it's when
they have these very tragic results. Well, he was explicit.
He said it actually may increase loneliness. And then also
(15:55):
there was another word that he used as far as
being radicalized, where they will develop these views, these disproportionate
views of what reality is is out of sync and
out of whack with what reality is and their expectations
of what should come from life. Well, they have this,
I'll say a family member of mine, I don't want
to be specific, but he was struggling with some internal
(16:22):
self worth issues. But he was judging other people on
what they were putting up on Instagrams, like well, this
person has this, and that person has that, and I
don't have any of that. And I had to explain
to him, it's like that's not the real world. You know,
that person probably is renting that car, that person is
only showing you that they're going to these restaurants because
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they're trying to impress you.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's probably not their real lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The kids are growing up today with such a really
skewed idea of what reality and self worth is because
they're getting it externally as opposed to developing it internally.
It's being driven by what they see and not by
what they're actually experiencing. And you're not experiencing it when
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you're on your phone or looking at a computer screen.
But we know that because we remember life prior to
these screens.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
How hard is it to actually meet people?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
I'm like you, I have not been on any of
these apps because I've been out of circulation, but I
never had trouble meeting people when I wasn't out of circulation.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Look, I may be a radio host today, but back
in the day, I was always a kid who had
quote unquote the gift of gab. I could talk my
way into some things, and I could talk my way
out of some things. But part of that was actually
using socialization skills, knowing how to talk to someone, knowing
(17:49):
how to convince someone. Everybody's going to ask that girl
because I was a boy at the time asked that
girl for her number, But why is she going to
pick me? Well, I'm gonna come at her a little
bit differently. You know, I may not comment on her
physical shape. I may comment on her smile or ask
her about what she likes. Tho, that was the whole game.
It was about being able to impress a young lady
(18:12):
and have her see me and talk to me. Now
it's like, I don't know what they do. How does
anyone stand out other than sending them a photo?
Speaker 5 (18:22):
I don't know much like Tony. I've always been an
awkward nerd, and so I don't think there we go,
he is away. I don't think you got to be perfect,
you know, make people laugh. They're not perfect either. It's
really not that difficult to me people.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It may not be if you actually did it for
a portion of your life.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I remember going to the night club.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
It's like, okay, guys, whoever has the most numbers comes
back with the most numbers tonight. You know, they don't
have to buy drinks afterward or something. You know, it
was always a game. It was always a competition. Ah,
you're dealing in volume.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I'm wrong, man.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
The numbers game was.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you just didn't want to be
a suck at the end the night with like two
or three numbers.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, those are impoverished.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, of course, But that's how we actually met young
women because you had to demonstrate that you could talk
to them or that you could dance, because they felt
if you could talk and you could dance and you
can probably do some other things.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Self confidence. I don't know. Look, I'm I'm old school
like that. You don't say so.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I don't know what an AI girlfriend is going to
do for the next generation, but I can understand why
they're concerns.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It just cost you less. That's about it. It's Later
with mo Kelly if I am six forty, that's not.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Necessarily true because it's going to be a subscription charge
every month.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Last night, I was talking to Marsha Collier and we
were talking about now that the holiday season is officially here,
and we were going to be making all sorts of purchases,
usually online, and having them delivered to our houses invariably
the porch. Pirates are going to be out there expecting
(20:15):
our packages as well, and sure enough they've already begun.
Let me tell you about John Shinn, a Lawndale resident.
He was tracking his shipment of an expensive laptop. Okay,
it's a big deal, and I have been one to
buy more than one computer online and have it delivered
(20:36):
as opposed to going to a store, So I understand
the concern and the worry. You want to be there
when it arrives. You don't want it sitting on your
porch near your door. You don't want that. You want
to be right there for it. Well, he was tracking
his shipment of an expensive laptop when he noticed it
had been delivered, but he wasn't the only one following
(20:59):
the package. When Chin went to check the front of
his home near the intersection of Prairie and Manhattan Beach Boulevard,
package was nowhere to be found. Schen said that he
saw the UPS driver and followed him down the street
to stop and ask him about the missing package. The
driver said, well, some guy showed me his ID quote unquote.
(21:21):
Chen later found footage of the exchange. The video showed
a stranger stopping the UPS driver as he stepped out
of the truck with Shin's package, the man showed the
driver something off his phone, possibly a fake ID, then
is handed the delivery.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's happening more and more.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
In fact, the post office was delivering a package for
me today and I happened to be in my garage
and I opened my garage, so the postal carrier knew
that I actually lived there and was able and unwilling
to hand the package to me. But by and large,
I hope they don't do that as a matter of core.
(22:00):
So someone just runs up, you just hand the package.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
On the other hand, I'm quite sure the mailman, that's
what I'll call him, the mailman wants to deliver to
the ups driver wants to deliver it to the front door.
The guy can still steal it, but I guess he
was trying to avoid showing him up on the ring device.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, but this is another level of shade because we
think about all of the different ways people are using
these stolen IDs or any of any of the leaked information,
and for this individual to be able to shadow track
(22:39):
an Amazon package and intercept it before its arrival, this
is a new level of low where these criminals or
these cyber criminals are utilizing this stolen idea information.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, it's another form of hacking.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I mean, I'm quite sure if you can hack someone's
email and track their packages, yeah, you know what they're
buying when it's going to show up, presumably, And it's
not that hard to create a fake ID with someone
else's name, which could pass a flash test where you're
just flashy it someone you're not trying to get in
a bar and have an actual bartender or law enforcement
(23:17):
officer examine it and you can pass the flash test
and then you get the package. Look, anything of value
is liable to be stolen. And people know now, especially criminals,
know that there are expensive packages, valuable items which you're
going to be showing up on people's doorsteps every single
(23:38):
day through the end of the year, every single day.
And you have to assume that your neighborhood, your street,
your house is a target. And Marshia Carrier and I
were talking about all the ways that you can try
the best protect yourself by having your package is sent
to like an Amazon box, or you yourself have to
(23:58):
put in a code and get out your item. But
that's not necessarily convenient for everyone. I know, it's not
convenient for me, you know, especially when I'm working twenty
two miles away. Now there's usually someone always at my house.
But still, you know, there's still gaps in that there's
no way to get around all of it and all
(24:18):
of us. As much as I like to be able
to depend on online shopping instead of physically going to
a store and having to argue with people about whether
it's okay to back my car into a parking space
and fighting with other people in the.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Line, I don't want to do all that. I'd rather
just go click click click click click click click.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Click click, and my package is on the way and
it'll get there in ten days or whatever amount of time.
But then I also have to worry about okay, you know,
I can see my front porch, which means that I
get the opportunity to watch someone steal my package from
my front porch. There's nothing that's full proof, but this
is where crime is headed, where they're getting more and
(24:59):
more braz.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Have you had it happen to you yet, Mark, No.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
And the day that I see somebody run off with
like a book that I get off of eBay is
the day that you have to bail me out for homicide. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
See, I think that's my line in the sand.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
If you're going to come up on my property, yeah,
and steal something off my property, and I have the
opportunity to give chase, even though it's probably ill advised,
to say the least, it's ill advised. I don't know
if I will be able to resist that temptation, because
unless they're getting in a car which is very close by,
(25:42):
I got a chance. I got a chance because usually
they're on foot. They're not going to drive right up
to your house. Why because they don't want to expose
their license plate. And if you've never had anything stolen
from you, you don't know how violating that feels. And
it's easy to mock it, and I want to mock it.
But when you have things stolen, like I had a
storage unit broken into, there's nothing more violating. It makes
(26:05):
you want to curl up into a fetal position.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well, Tweld will have the last word about storage unit
being damn.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Look to this day, the individual who violated my storage unit,
their parents, their children, any descent to anyone who shares
their same bloodline is cursed. I have put a curse
on them, a hex on them, a pox on them,
and I wish them nothing but hell.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I will pee on their graves with you very quickly.
Twelve with your storage unit. There was never any video
of the.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Now the public storage unit over there on the Lincoln
for some reason other the no cameras could catch anything
inside job.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's what I said. We have a run a report
coming up next.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
In just a moment, you're listening to Later with Moe
Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Nature, Mark talks about pontificates about pop culture, Ron and
Report with Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
If I am six forty is Later with Mo Kelly?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Is that time in the show where Mark Ronner takes
over with the runner report.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
We all have stuff we do outside work here at KFI.
Mo has his martial arts classes and he also does
hits on other media. Tawala does the lord's work at
a school. And I know what you're thinking, but no,
I won't do porn. I haven't hit rock bottom yet,
maybe soon, but not yet.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I'm a writer.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
I've written a ton of comic books, articles about movies
and TV op eds. I've also written for video games
and this week are really cool ones out that I
wrote the dialogue for. It is called Nobody Wants to Die.
I know it sounds like that awful last James Bond movie,
but it's a future noir mystery, cyberpunk thriller game. It
(28:08):
is beautifully rendered. It gets into some fairly sick and
unsettling territory and I could not be prouder of this thing.
Think Blade Runner in terms of visuals. But if you
get to be a detective and you have some wondrous
future tech for examining crime scenes and manipulating time at
the crime scenes, and as you get further and further
into this story, in this dystopian future where the bodies
(28:30):
are piling up, you have a dawning realization of where
you stand amid all the corruption and cruelty and murder.
You know, perfect for kids. Nobody Wants to Die is
made by Critical Hit Games and Newish Company, and it
should be available. However, you play this stuff on Steam,
where it's got a nine out of ten so far,
fingers crossed on consoles, all of it everywhere. Here's here's
(28:54):
some of it. This is an early trailer from about
four months ago that I wrote and we start off
and down an urban canyon of tall buildings and neons,
swarming with flying cars which are still somehow vintage looking.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
They say, time heals all wounds.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's d.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I'll tell you what time does.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Time reveal secrets, Secrets that enslave us, the secrets that
(29:53):
poison us, secrets that rip us apart.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Secrets.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
To drag the light.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Are.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
They'll drag me ow.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Now that's nobody wants to die. And the game looks
absolutely stunning. And I've always loved norm movies. You know
what those are. You've seen them, These hard boiled detective
movies that started in the forties and fifties that had
more cynical heroes, kind of anti heroes coming out of
World War Two with all the disillusionent that entailed. These
weren't guys who came home from the war and shouted
(30:49):
USA USA. They were generally sarcastic, self destructive, hit the
bottle pretty hard. The story's often involve a fem fetal
who's bad news but steer still resistible, you know, like
real life, very little, chasing tornadoes around in trucks as well.
You should know, you know, the Maltese falcon with Humphrey Bogart.
You've seen that, and we've talked about Monsieur Spade here
(31:11):
not long ago, the Clive Owens series that's really good.
Out of the Past with Robert Mitcham. Lots of great
newer ones too, or neo noir which they're called Robert Altmans.
The Long good Bye is one of my favorites. Scott
Elliott Gould in it. It's really good and if you
haven't seen that one, you should. And nobody wants to die.
You play as a detective in New York in the
year twenty three twenty nine who's called back on the
(31:31):
job to investigate him off the book's case of mass
murder of the city's elite. This detective has some issues though.
For instance, he's not in his first body anymore and
he's having trouble settling into his new body. In this future,
you can transfer your mind, your consciousness to a new
body when you wear out the old one. If you
have the money. People who don't have the money, they
(31:53):
have nots. They do what they gotta do, and it
isn't always pretty. And again I'm not talking about porn.
The choices you make throughout this game affect the outcome.
It's not a shooter, although there is some shooting, very procedural,
very visual, vibe oriented. Not the same old, same old.
Just to be clear, the game's absolutely not for kids.
Along with all the drinking and some fairly grizzly stuff,
(32:14):
there is a very generous amount of swearing, which was
great fun writing. I'll tell you, by the way, there
were many times when we were racking our brains trying
to get the right phrasing for a line, and I'd ask,
how about just an m effort here? Oh yeah, that
works perfect, everybody wins. If we have time, i'll play
a little bit more from the official launch trailer that's
(32:34):
from this week. I've admitted here before though, that self
promotion just makes my skin crawl, which can be a
bit of a speed bump if you're working in the
radio business. And I want you to know also as
a writer, I don't get one dime exter, no matter
how many or how few people buy this game. I
have one payday when I finish my work. I'm only
telling you about the game right now because I think
(32:55):
it's turned out to be something really special and I
think you're gonna love it. You can see gameplay of
Nobody Wants to Die on YouTube, along with reviews and
all sorts of other stuff, And since radio is more
of an ural medium, you kind of need to see
this for yourself in a visual medium. I spent a
few minutes looking up reviews last night. It's brand new
this week, and my favorite was surely someone wants to
(33:18):
Die hard to argue with that. Also, a user called
fart Night called the game a straight banger.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That's good, right, mo, Yeah, that's that's positive. You appreciate a.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Straight banger or banger perhaps less often in your later years.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Banger is always positive, unless it's preceded by gang in
a civic sense, you know, in the criminal sense.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Yeah, we're a little ahead on time. So let's just
hear a little bit more of the trailer. Why I
didn't have to beep out a swear word in my
own place.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Having a goal that's better than an activity, an alternative
to focusing on the symptoms and the memories.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm one hundred and.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Twenty years old, and I don't have any strength left
to keep recalling the past.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
You're a goddamn departmental legend legend.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Uh, more like cautionary tale.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I need access, do you think.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I don't know why the chief put you on restrictive duty.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
This case smells worse than a two week old corpse
and a storm drain. Can I ask you something personal?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Do you believe in life after death?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, apparently in the past people used to ask stuff
like that all.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
The time because the average lifespan was less than one
hundred years.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
And now can we believe in anything beyond this?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
What if you could choose the bank or death?
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Now the bank is the memory bank, and if you're
too four poor to afford a new body, that's where
your consciousness goes, and it stays there until you get
some money or something changes. It's an absolutely stunning game.
Nobody wants to die. I hope you check it out.
I don't make any extra money telling you about it.
I'm just excited about it. It really turned out to
be a special thing. Sounded like Scarlett Johansson was doing
(35:17):
that narration there. I don't know who did the narration.
I really wanted to do the voice of the detective
because as we're writing these lines of dialogue, I'm actually
performing them over Skype. With these guys at the company
in Poland, and I so wanted to do this, but
the guy who did it sounds terrific. How did you
(35:39):
fall into this? Oh, nepotism and corruption? Of course, No,
it's like a lot of games or comics or things
like that. It's kind of who you know, combined with
what you've already done that you can show people. So
I had to display, if you'll pardon me for sounding
imodest about this, somewhat encyclopedic knowledge of noir films because
(36:04):
when I was back in grad school, I was going
to do my dissertation on existentialism and film war. So
I've seen a lot of the stuff and it's kind
of the way I write and talk, and you know,
it is definitely how you talk. So if you play
this game, or if you just watch the walkthrough on YouTube,
you'll kind of hear my voice, even though it's not
me doing the actual narration.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I'm very intrigued, and congratulations are in order, regardless of
whether you get another dime or not.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Thank you very much. It's a ton of fun. The
game is nobody wants to die. So why did you
keep it under wraps for so long? Well, I had
to sign an MDA. Oh the answer the question, Yeah,
they would have made me homeless if I violated the MDA.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I'm sure you understand how those were. Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
But it also was kind of a stealth release. When
I was looking up the reviews last night, I saw
that people felt that it was just kind of dropped
out of nowhere. There wasn't really any big build up
to this, And I don't know if that's because the
company is kind of a newer company or what, but
I feel like it's making a big splash coming right
out based on what I've seen so far. The reviews
(37:08):
are terrific, and I hope it keeps going that way.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, many congratulations to you, and hopefully you'll get to
voice it next time.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, for god's sake, what's a guy I have to do?
Who do I have to sleep with? Well, don't ask
that question, because someone will give you an answer.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Oop.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Oop, Look at the time. It's later with mo Kelly.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. What the hell
is going on? Well, we're about to tell you KF.
I'm kost HD two Los Angeles, Orange County, Live everywhere
on the Art Radio app.
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