January 7, 2025 • 30 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – ‘Beyond the Box Score’ with regular guest contributor Jackie Rae; Long Beach Post/WNBA Reporter and host of ‘The Jackie Rae Show,’ weighing in on the controversy brewing at Fox Sports regarding accusations against host Skip Bayless & former Philadelphia Eagles center Jason Kelce being warned against dropping “F-Bombs” on his new Late-Night Show…PLUS – Thoughts on United airlines banning a passenger that “peed on another flyer” AND an exclusive conversation with ‘Digital Mind State’ CEO Mike Johns’ regarding his wild Waymo self-driving taxi ride - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
So let's talk about something which is controversial. By now
you might have heard, well you should have heard about
this massive lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
One of the biggest names in sports media, as well
as his former employer, is being sued for sexual harassment
amid allegations of improper behavior that date back nearly a decade.
A long time here stylist isssuing former Undisputed host Skip Bayless,
Fox Sports, and their parent company, Fox Corporation for unspecified damages.
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The suit claims Fox executives allowed Bayless to quote abuse
workers without fear of punishment, including allegedly offering one and
a half million dollars to the accuser if she had
sex with him.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Jackie Ray Happy, twenty twenty five. This is a perfect
story to start off beyond the box score with this year.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
What did you think of the lawsuit and how have
you been doing?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I've been doing great.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
This lawsuit did not shock me at all for people
who have been following me. I actually had a chance
to meet Joy Taylor and she came down here to
Long Beach, down where I live. In Long Beach to
a bar out here called watch Me Sports. And if
you haven't read the lawsuit as a woman, it's definitely
troubling because there was a time where not only Joy
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could have advocated for this hairdresser to potentially relieve some
of this sexual misconduct that she was receiving because Joy
was in a position of higher power. But the lawsuit
also points out that Joy Taylor has used her pretty
privileged No, I'm going to say this. Everything is alleged
in this lawsuit. Everything is alleged that Joy Taylor basically
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exchanged sexual favors to advance her careers.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
That's all alleged.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
However, sometimes the writing is on the wall or in
the microphone. And Joy Taylor has said on several occasions
that she knows her careers where it is because she
has pretty privilege.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
You can take that and run with it, just to
say she's good lock.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
But most men that I know good looking just for you,
fun for you to look at.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
How does that.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Really invent your career unless there's somebody who's profiting off
of your look.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I'm just gonna say it's very believable to me.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
What bothers me? And again, these are allegations.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
But if the allegations are true, it bothers me that
a part of the allegations is the insinuation allegation that
Joy Taylor, specifically, who is the sister of NFL Hall
of Famer Miami Dolphins Jason Taylor, she's always been connected
to athletics. There's this insinuation and allegation that Joy Taylor,
if she were brought to the light as far as
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trading sexual favors for her career, she said allegedly in
the suit that she would just say that Dixon, the
Fox Sports executive, just forced himself on her.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
That to me is like, ooh wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Not only is the allegation that you slept your way
to the top short way of saying it that if
called out, you would just say rape whoa.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
And this is the problem.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
This is why so many women do not come forward
because unfortunately, I think the number of women who do
this kind of thing, who will just acquire wolf when
they are sexually assaulted, I think that number is very
very low. However, because it's a number at all, it
waters down the cases of women who've actually been through this.
So women who do this kind of thing are the
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most deplorable women on the face of the earth to me,
because you now not only made yourself look bad, you've
made it for harder for other women who are going
through this to really tell their stories and be believed.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
If we believe that any of this is true, and
we look at what joy Taylor allegedly did to get
herself forward, we also have to look at this Fox
Sports executive because I'm not going to allow him to
get away scott free on this.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
It makes me wonder, well, actually, it doesn't make me wonder.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I have to then assume that if his expectation was
trading sexual favors with this woman talent, that he has
at least approached most of the women talent that he
finds attractive and dangled the caret of hey, you want
to advance your career or you're going to have to
sleep with me, And then it casts a shadow over
everybody who's had any success at Fox Sports, not calling
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any names.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I remember my very first internship when I was in college.
I was propositioned by a woman and I went right
to my professor about it because I thought it was funny,
like how dare she? But he he really nailed it
down for me, and he said, you're harping in on
the fact that this is a woman, but you really
need to decide in this moment who are you going
to be?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Are you going to be.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
A person who accepts a proposition, because understand this two things.
Number One, once you do that, you can never go back,
You can never close that door. It will get around
very quickly, and there will be an expectation that every
level you go to, you need to level up with
the favors that you're exchanging.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
He goes, that's number one.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Number Two, don't get upset when you see women who
do engage in this getting further than you, because it
will happen.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
But that's the problem.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
These men couldn't do half these things that they're doing
if every woman just said no and every woman sounded
the alarm every single time that it happens. We don't
sound the alarm every single time because there has been
women who have engaged in this behavior number one, and
enough of us know that that we don't sound the
alarm because now we just think that who's gonna believe
our story?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
And it's very difficult to prove.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
To be fair. Again, these are allegations, allegations.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I do know that I tell young people who work
in this industry, especially women, there will be a point
in time where you're gonna have to make a decision.
You're gonna have to ask yourself what you are willing
to put up with to pursue a career in entertainment.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's not fair, but it's a fact.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But to be fair to Joy Taylor, the horses out
of the barn, and unless she were to sue this accuser,
I don't know how she in any way can redeem
her reputation professional well.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
And unfortunately, it's going to be very, very difficult for
her to do because where there's smoke, there's fire, and
these rumors have been going around for years about Joy unfortunately,
Like it's one of those things that you really just
try to play it off that it's rumors, it's rumors,
it's rumors, but at some point it's hard to say
that the same thing that's being said about the same
and there's plenty of women in the industry that these
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types of rumors are not flying around about. So when
you hear those rumors that are flying around and then
this lawsuit comes everyone's eyebrowser raised right now. And so
now if you do sue this woman, which to your
point is the only way that you can kind of
mitigate this, is you would have to counter sue her
for deformation and slander. But then now you have to
prove that it's not true.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And also, let's not forget there's this thing called discovery
which is going to happen on some level regardless with
this initial suit.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
And people say like, well, why is it you just
gonna believe the accuser.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, I believe the history and I believe this business
to be true to itself. What I mean by that is,
I'm quite sure that there are emails. I'm quite sure
that there are text messages. I'm quite sure there are
corroborating witnesses who can say, yes, I saw that happen. Yes,
I remember when so and so came to me and
said that Skip Bayless, whose names in the lawsuit, did that.
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That's why I believe it most likely happened. And they're
probably going to be more lawsuits of a similar nature
because I don't believe that if Skip Bayless, who's named
in the suit, was as ridiculous in his behavior with
this one person.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
He wasn't ridiculous with other people as well.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And I believe the attorney's quest for money. There's not
going to be an attorney that takes this case if
they haven't looked through all, like you said, the discovery.
I've sued a person or two, and most of the
attorneys that I've dealt with have been skeptical until I
lay out my evidence and then it's like, oh, yeah,
you don't even have to pay me.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I'll take my money at the end. So I trust
the greed of these attorneys.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I don't think that this is a flavorous lawsuit in
any way, shape or for him.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
There'll be more coming out, but when we come back.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I've noticed in this conversation about the intersection of sports
and society, more and more athletes, pure athletes, are getting
their own TV shows. In fact, ESPN has dipped his
toes into the late night television formula, with Jason Kelcey, yes,
the brother of Travis Kelsey, getting his own late night
television show on ESPN. Say what, Yes, We're gonna talk
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about that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
As we continue to go beyond the box score with
our regular commentator Jackie Ray, who joins us for the
first time in the new year.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
JACKI Ray, you might have seen.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
A recently retired athlete, Jason Kelsey, who played with the
Philadelphia Eagles. He is the older brother of Travis Kelsey,
who's the boyfriend of Taylor Swift. I mentioned on that
because there is a connection here. Jason Kelsey has his
own late night talk show. As a function of ESPN,
ESPN is dipping its toe into to those late night waters.
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If Fox News can do it, if the broadcast networks
can do it, if the other cable networks can do it,
why not ESPN and ESPN has done a good job
of growing sports personalities into i'll say, talk personalities. We
can talk about Pat McAfee and others, so I know
why they're doing this, But what about the larger picture
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athletes becoming personalities commenting on anything and everything, not just sports.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I think it's an interesting flow because it wasn't too
long ago when we were hearing people tell athletes to
shut up and dribble. Of course it's a specific athlete
that they were saying that too. But nonetheless, the overarching
thought process has been you're good at that, be good
at that. But I think what people have and I've
said this from day one. A reason why sometimes you
get that little guy on the basketball team that's so
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popular is because he is the little guy and he
can he resonates to the normal person.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Jason Kelcey.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Although he is an amazing football player, his personality says
normal guy. Dry, yeah, normal guy, like, hey, Bill, hell
is your day?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
It's just there's not a lot of like he's the
guy that you get to wave to down the street.
He doesn't seem like he has an unattainable lifestyle see
him being He's just relatable.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Boy.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
I'll see you there, baby. Oh my gosh, how did
we get here? Love you guys too? Oh what's happening
all right?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Yeah, I have on late night show. Not quite sure
how we got here.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
I used to love watching Conan as a kid. I
thought it was hilarious, And now I'm up here doing.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
My own show.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
My parents are here.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Oh my god, Yeah, mom, Dad, you were wrong.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
Turns out letting me stay up late at night. It
was a good thing in watching TV, right.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
Listen and one of the other quotes, Yeah, not only
am I getting my own show, but I'm getting to
make my own show with my wife Kylie as an ALTI.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
So I see him being great on late night TV.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I don't watch a lot of late night TV just
because it's corny to me, but I do see him
being great at it because that's when the everyday Joe
can relate to him. Telling him not to drop F
bombs is weird, because that's that's gonna be hard, And
this is this is the intersection. You tell me, Jackie,
don't curse on air unless there's an accident and somebody
put me on air when they weren't supposed to. Aside
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from that, I'm trained, right, in fact, I can train myself.
There's there's certain things in my vernacular that I say
when I'm talking to my friends that I never say
on air because I'm trained.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I'm a professional.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
But if you just take the average everyday Joe and
tell them to be themselves on air, but then put
stipulations on them being themselves, there's gonna be a very
long learning.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Curve to that.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, they have to learn to be even though they're
not in broadcasting broadcastings relegated for our broadcastations like ABC, CBS.
But when you're on cables, that's not broadcasting, that's a
private signal. There's a lesson in that, so they're not broadcasting.
And yes, in theory they could drop an F bomb
because they're not governed by the FCC in the same way.
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But they still have to learn how to be a
personality an interviewer. And I think the closest comparison point
would be Shannon Sharp, someone who's an athlete then moved
to media. Now he's moved into this podcast slash talk
space where he's just a general talk personality and oh yeah,
by the way, he also knows sports. Is this the
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future of all media where we won't have this delineation
between sports talk and news talk. It'll just be talk
because they just talk about anything and everything, kind of
like later with Moe Kelly. I've been doing it in a while,
but now people are coming around to what I've been doing.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Yeah, thank you ahead of your time, because now, and
I've been saying this for years, it's just kind of
caught up that I've been telling when I was with
the Long Beach Post.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Now I'm with the Long Beach Watchdog.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
I've been telling my fellow journalists, you have to build
up your individual brand. People don't care that you're an
expert on this and you've been doing this for thirty years.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
They don't care that you have your masters from Harvard.
They want to like you.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
That's the only way you're going to get them to
listen is you have to build up your brand. I'm
not saying everybody has to like you, but everybody is
likable to a certain group of people. You need to
really hone your brand in that. So now you're really
your expertise doesn't matter. And I know this for a
fact because now I'm looking for an agent and my
every single agent that I've talked to you has said, oh,
your Instagram following is good, but you need to build
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up your Twitter folly like, it's all about the number
of eyes. It's not about the fact that I've been
doing this for thirteen years. It's not about the fact
that I'm good at it. It's not about the fact
that I have a degree to do what I'm doing.
It's the fact that people want to push a brand.
So whether your brand is edgy, goofy, the everyday so
you need to tap into that. So, yes, this is
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the future of all news. I think, which is why
people call things like fake news certain outlets, is because
it doesn't just appeal to your bias.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
But that's also because.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
People don't relate to people who are on the news anymore,
you know, the people who are anchoring. That's why they
go to Instagram or TikTok is because they can relate
to the person who's giving the news.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So I think this is where we're going.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
It's now you'd rather hear Billy Bob Thornton talk about
what's going on in politics than somebody who has been
at the Washington Post for thirty years talking about it
in and out right right.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And I call this actually the Joe Rogan effect, where
you have someone who's widely recognizable and known for a
specific demographic be it sports or mma, giving his or
her opinions that a lot of people like, and then
you go from there to your point. I believe we
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pass the point where credibility matters. All of this is
just infotainment. We're getting information, we're getting entertainment. We're not
really looking for credibility. We're looking for affirmation, not necessarily
just information, but you know that's my soapbox before.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
We get out of here.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's the new year, and I know it's a new
day for the Jackie Ray Show. What are you working on?
What have you been doing?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Yes, the Jackuray Show is going to be an emotional one.
It's going to debut for the first time next week.
In twenty twenty five, I had a chance to talk
to Khalil Salem Senior. His son, Khalil Salim Junior, was
murdered in Long Beach in twenty twenty three and just
talking about the aftermath and the kids in that case
being tried as children instead of adults and what that
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does to his psyche.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
It's more of an emotional piece.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
But also if you want to check out Jackuary TV
today talking about a lot how homelessness has really impacted
home ownership in the city of Long Beach, So you
want to check that out at jackureraytv dot com. I'm
doing lots of good things in the community.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Though, jackueary And also maybe next week we can talk
about the latest in women's college and also win men's
professional basketball.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
There's a lot swirling around.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I got to get an update on page I got
to get an update on Juju idn't get got to.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Get it up on all those male coaches that we
have in the WNBA now right, digress.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Right all those things, and you know what, I'm quite
sure time will allot us that in the future. Jackuary,
It's always great to see you. A belated happy New
Year to you, and we'll talk again too.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Speak soon.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
If you've ever flown transatlantic or even transpecific long flight,
it can be a difficult, arduous trek. You could have
a flight anywhere from eight hours to maybe twelve or
thirteen hours, and if you're not in economy class, maybe
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you're in business class, and even business class, it doesn't
mean that it's going to be a very comfortable trip.
You're still stuck on that airplane. When I flew to
Korea back in June, I think that was about maybe
twelve hours twelve thirteen hours each way, and I was
flying in like business class, so I could recline all
the way down. They had a kind of a lounge
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area up front, so you can go stretch your legs
and that was really needed. Okay, there are only so
many movies that you can watch over the course of
thirteen hours. But let me tell you about a story
from hell. Imagine this. Jerome Gutierrez was traveling in business class,
so it was an economy class business class on a
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United Airlines flight from San Francisco International to Manila in
the Philippines on December twenty seventh, when a man got
up from his seat about four hours into the flight
and began urinating on him, urinating on him? What would
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you do? I know what I would do. I would
lose my mind. Here's what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
He was asleep and buckled in and surprised to find
out that he was being urinated on when he woke up. Now,
after the perpetrator finished his business quote, Jerome realized he
was soaked from his stomach down to his feet in urine. Mark,
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So he let the guy finish. That was nice of him. Oh,
it gets worse than that. It is much worse than that.
In fact, he was instructed by the airline to stay
in his seat for the rest of his flight for
eight more hours.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Oh my god, eight.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Hours soaked in urine. Now I'm not going to pass judgment.
I'm not going to pass judgment on him. Because you're
on a plane, you're probably not going to try to
make a scene. But I don't know how anyone can
get it. I don't know how anyone can get through that.
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I know what I would do. Actually, I don't know
what I do. I know what I would try not
to do. I would try not to bring the plane down.
I would try because I'm starting to fight right there
in the middle of the aisle with that guy, So.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
You wouldn't let him finish, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
If I was asleep, I don't know what I would.
I don't know how. If I were awakened to it
and I realized that it was happening, yes, I would
start to fight. I think i'd want to make sure
that the airplane wasn't going to charge me extra for
the urine. Well.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
See, the thing is all they.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Did was the airline ban him from the airline after that.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That seems kind of a blame, kind of limp, kind
of limp punishment. Oh, I'm on foush.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And a tough crowd tonight, you know what, Let me
just go to break okay, because it seems like Mike
Johnson is calling me right now from Waimo from the
Waymo incidents, So we're gonna try to get him on
the air right now. So we're gonna break now, break early,
We're gonna get Mike John's on the air. Hold on
all right, Mike, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 7 (20:23):
Kelly.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app And during the
last segment, I was caught off guard because my phone
was going crazy. Give me some backstory. At the beginning
of the show, I was talking about the Waimo story
with this guy was caught in a way Moo going
in circles and people.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Are saying like, oh my gosh, how could that happen?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And you know, here on Lady with Mo Kelly, we
always talked about Waimo and all the issues. Well, when
I was looking at that story about the guy who
was caught in circles trying to get on his flight
coming back to La the same the name was Mike Johns.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I'm thinking, Mike Johns, I know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That name, and then I realized it's one of my
fraternity brothers a friend for like more than thirty years.
We had lost contact because he's a big tech CEO
now making a whole lot of money and I'm just
doing radio and you know, lives going different directions. So
I've reached out to him and tried to figure out
if I could get him on the show tonight. And
I think Taalla's talking to him right now. What's the
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status right now? Okay, we can get him on the air.
He'll be good, so we can find out and get
his story firsthand of what happened when he was in
the way.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Most he Stephan, tell me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
They're still trying to get him hooked up right now,
so we can get his story.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
All right, go ahead and bring him up.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Mike Johns, my brother of megasci Fi Fratorney Incorporated.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
How you doing, my friend, Mike?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
You there, Amyir? How you doing?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I am? I am well.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Look I saw this story of you going around in
a way more and I said, that looks like someone
for me read the stories like Mike johnsh is like
that's dog from Las Vegas, and so, Heystan, I got
to reach out to you as soon as possible. Let
me get out of the way. You were in the WEIMO.
You are a tech CEO of Digital State Mind digital
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Mind excuse me, digital mind State. You are an authority
on AI when all this is going tell me why
did you get in a weymo and what happened?
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Let's do one better. First of all, I'm a futurist
in tech show. I'm supportive of autonomous vehicles. I am
definitely in full support of that. In this situation, I'm
so much in support of it that me and my
son was actually going to get in this, but it
was me that did it on this goal. On the
second goal round, I chose it. Just the future is
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here and these are things that you're going to have
to embrace regardless. So the glitches are happening right now.
Ultimately they may get fixed down the line. But in
this situation, I got an the car trying to get
back to the airport, going from Sky Harbor to get
to lax The first as soon as I get in
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the car, it goes in a circle and it's like, damn,
it should have went the wrong this way, but instead
it did this does another circle the second time. I'm
like and then I'm thinking Okay, by the second third,
is the prank? Somebody up to a prank. I felt
like literally some of my tech buddies might have been
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one to do the perfect timing, even though I'm in
Scottsdale at the moment. Somebody might have just set this up.
But no, this is real. This is this car has
actually been There's a glitch, not hacked. There's some sort
of glitch that's going on. And the people from the
control towers right there looking at the satellite systems probably realize, Hey,
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this car has been going in multiple circles. Let me
go ahead and contact the customer and try to resolve
the matter. That's what WAYMA was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Okay, Mike, just so you know, can't have a cuss. Uh,
thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But when you were in the car and you're contacting WAYMO,
how much time has transpired? I know you took some
time trying to contact WAYMO, and it took some time
for them to get back to you.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
So how long were you stuck in this loop? Literally?
Speaker 7 (24:21):
So correction, you're in the car, I'm wondering what's going on,
And as I mentioned before, as the car is in
the circle, I believe that from their headquarters. Again, everything
is controlled by GPS and satellites. They were able to
realize that there was a problem. They prompt promptly over
the speaker started to talk to me. I don't even
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have known what to do? Okay, then and that happening.
They went ahead and needed my phone to help fix
the problem with the car. That's where I was pissed.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
They needed your phone.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In other words, they needed data from you or to
input to command.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
They needed to you know, like edit your ride, something
fixing with the ride itself to then be able to
go its course. So they needed to actually do something
in the app inside the way moo app, and then
they were able to take control and regain control of
the car.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
All told, how much time did this take before you
got at least moving towards your destination?
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Man? That was they I guess it was about seven
minutes the longest seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Were you a Let me put it this way, if
you needed to in an emergency, would you have been
able to get out of the car on your own
with anger?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
You know, if it was more of a if I
found myself in a more of a dangerous or a
threatening situation. I would have had to kick the windows. Absolutely,
I would have had to kick the windows to do
something because I couldn't get out the car.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
The car seemed like it was moving about ten miles
an hour? Is that accurate? That's Did you try to
contact anyone else during this process? Or you only were
in contact with Wemo?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Thank god it was in the marking lot, so I
didn't feel, you know, any danger or anything like that
that I actually filmed it, like, okay, you know, again
stunned this is happening, let me document this, and again,
grace to God, they already knew that they realized that
there was a problem. That's when they promptly got over
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their inncount system and started talking that they realized that
there was a problem. I didn't call. I wouldn't even
have known how to contact them.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Did you miss your flight?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I saw conflicting stories about whether you actually missed your
flight or no.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Yeah, did not miss the flight, Thank god there was
a delay. Did not miss the flight. People that reported
that I missed the flight were people that didn't talk
to me.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
M M well.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I saw the video that you posted on your LinkedIn page.
So this happened a while ago. Has Weimo reached out
sense and said, hey, we're real sorry, can we give
you like free rides for life?
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I have not had any communication with Weymo.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Not even like a coupon in your email.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I haven't received any communication from Weymo.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Damn. Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now, as a tech professional, you said before I let
you go, you said that, of course this is and
I'm paraphrasing, that this is to be expected with technology.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
There's going to be glitches.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Would you, at this point, as a futurist and tech CEO,
recommend Weimo for a lay citizen like me?
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Very good question. I would say this as my answer.
You drive at your risk, at your own risk, at
your own discretion. So a part of me will say, hey,
data is out there that says, you know, atonomics vehicles
are safer than human vehicles. Once you get into the vehicle,
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anything can happen, be it autonomous, be it the human,
anything can happen. As the greatest source out there. But
when it comes to me getting back in the call
have car having a sense of security. One of the
things that I stand on is that for everyday citizens,
you do not want to be a part of the experiment,
especially when you're having a pain to be in the experiment.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Well, damn, I think that pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Mike Johns, CEO, Digital Mind State. How can people reach
out to you and find more of your work?
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Mike Johns Dot CEO. We're out here doing a new
thing called Make America Smart with AI, and so the
timing of this again, I'm here at CEF campaigning on
that Make America Smart with AI. There's a new book
that's coming out called Depth of a Job that's really
going to be dialing in on what the world looks
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like between twenty twenty five and twenty thirty, which jobs
are going to be here change and also which ones
will be obsolete. Very important because the black and brown
community must pay attention to this. Do not be a
part of the obsolete society.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Mike Johns, you need to come in studio and sit
with us sometime. I know you're the LA area. We're
probably like neighbors and I don't even know it. So
let's stay in touchdown now.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
I love to get with you Inglewood anytime. Say win, Oh,
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Outside of Inglewood. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
We're neighbors. Come on, you're the big man. You don't
even know what you don't know what. I saw your text.
You were the one right out of un l V
helped set up my first interview. That's my love for you,
my first interview with Warner grew Warner, I remember way.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, well, let's let's keep this friendship going.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Anyways, let me touch my brother, all right, thank you.
It's led with Mo Kelly. Can't I am six forty.
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Speaker 1 (29:56):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
So let's talk about something which is controversial. By now
you might have heard, well you should have heard about
this massive lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
One of the biggest names in sports media, as well
as his former employer, is being sued for sexual harassment
amid allegations of improper behavior that date back nearly a decade.
A long time here stylist isssuing former Undisputed host Skip Bayless,
Fox Sports, and their parent company, Fox Corporation for unspecified damages.
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The suit claims Fox executives allowed Bayless to quote abuse
workers without fear of punishment, including allegedly offering one and
a half million dollars to the accuser if she had
sex with him.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Jackie Ray Happy, twenty twenty five. This is a perfect
story to start off beyond the box score with this year.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
What did you think of the lawsuit and how have
you been doing?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I've been doing great.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
This lawsuit did not shock me at all for people
who have been following me. I actually had a chance
to meet Joy Taylor and she came down here to
Long Beach, down where I live. In Long Beach to
a bar out here called watch Me Sports. And if
you haven't read the lawsuit as a woman, it's definitely
troubling because there was a time where not only Joy
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could have advocated for this hairdresser to potentially relieve some
of this sexual misconduct that she was receiving because Joy
was in a position of higher power. But the lawsuit
also points out that Joy Taylor has used her pretty
privileged No, I'm going to say this. Everything is alleged
in this lawsuit. Everything is alleged that Joy Taylor basically
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exchanged sexual favors to advance her careers.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
That's all alleged.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
However, sometimes the writing is on the wall or in
the microphone. And Joy Taylor has said on several occasions
that she knows her careers where it is because she
has pretty privilege.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
You can take that and run with it, just to
say she's good lock.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
But most men that I know good looking just for you,
fun for you to look at.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
How does that.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Really invent your career unless there's somebody who's profiting off
of your look.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I'm just gonna say it's very believable to me.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
What bothers me? And again, these are allegations.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
But if the allegations are true, it bothers me that
a part of the allegations is the insinuation allegation that
Joy Taylor, specifically, who is the sister of NFL Hall
of Famer Miami Dolphins Jason Taylor, she's always been connected
to athletics. There's this insinuation and allegation that Joy Taylor,
if she were brought to the light as far as
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trading sexual favors for her career, she said allegedly in
the suit that she would just say that Dixon, the
Fox Sports executive, just forced himself on her.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
That to me is like, ooh wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Not only is the allegation that you slept your way
to the top short way of saying it that if
called out, you would just say rape whoa.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
And this is the problem.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
This is why so many women do not come forward
because unfortunately, I think the number of women who do
this kind of thing, who will just acquire wolf when
they are sexually assaulted, I think that number is very
very low. However, because it's a number at all, it
waters down the cases of women who've actually been through this.
So women who do this kind of thing are the
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most deplorable women on the face of the earth to me,
because you now not only made yourself look bad, you've
made it for harder for other women who are going
through this to really tell their stories and be believed.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
If we believe that any of this is true, and
we look at what joy Taylor allegedly did to get
herself forward, we also have to look at this Fox
Sports executive because I'm not going to allow him to
get away scott free on this.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
It makes me wonder, well, actually, it doesn't make me wonder.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I have to then assume that if his expectation was
trading sexual favors with this woman talent, that he has
at least approached most of the women talent that he
finds attractive and dangled the caret of hey, you want
to advance your career or you're going to have to
sleep with me, And then it casts a shadow over
everybody who's had any success at Fox Sports, not calling
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any names.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I remember my very first internship when I was in college.
I was propositioned by a woman and I went right
to my professor about it because I thought it was funny,
like how dare she? But he he really nailed it
down for me, and he said, you're harping in on
the fact that this is a woman, but you really
need to decide in this moment who are you going
to be?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Are you going to be.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
A person who accepts a proposition, because understand this two things.
Number One, once you do that, you can never go back,
You can never close that door. It will get around
very quickly, and there will be an expectation that every
level you go to, you need to level up with
the favors that you're exchanging.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
He goes, that's number one.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Number Two, don't get upset when you see women who
do engage in this getting further than you, because it
will happen.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
But that's the problem.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
These men couldn't do half these things that they're doing
if every woman just said no and every woman sounded
the alarm every single time that it happens. We don't
sound the alarm every single time because there has been
women who have engaged in this behavior number one, and
enough of us know that that we don't sound the
alarm because now we just think that who's gonna believe
our story?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
And it's very difficult to prove.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
To be fair. Again, these are allegations, allegations.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I do know that I tell young people who work
in this industry, especially women, there will be a point
in time where you're gonna have to make a decision.
You're gonna have to ask yourself what you are willing
to put up with to pursue a career in entertainment.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's not fair, but it's a fact.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But to be fair to Joy Taylor, the horses out
of the barn, and unless she were to sue this accuser,
I don't know how she in any way can redeem
her reputation professional well.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
And unfortunately, it's going to be very, very difficult for
her to do because where there's smoke, there's fire, and
these rumors have been going around for years about Joy unfortunately,
Like it's one of those things that you really just
try to play it off that it's rumors, it's rumors,
it's rumors, but at some point it's hard to say
that the same thing that's being said about the same
and there's plenty of women in the industry that these
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types of rumors are not flying around about. So when
you hear those rumors that are flying around and then
this lawsuit comes everyone's eyebrowser raised right now. And so
now if you do sue this woman, which to your
point is the only way that you can kind of
mitigate this, is you would have to counter sue her
for deformation and slander. But then now you have to
prove that it's not true.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And also, let's not forget there's this thing called discovery
which is going to happen on some level regardless with
this initial suit.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
And people say like, well, why is it you just
gonna believe the accuser.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, I believe the history and I believe this business
to be true to itself. What I mean by that is,
I'm quite sure that there are emails. I'm quite sure
that there are text messages. I'm quite sure there are
corroborating witnesses who can say, yes, I saw that happen. Yes,
I remember when so and so came to me and
said that Skip Bayless, whose names in the lawsuit, did that.
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That's why I believe it most likely happened. And they're
probably going to be more lawsuits of a similar nature
because I don't believe that if Skip Bayless, who's named
in the suit, was as ridiculous in his behavior with
this one person.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
He wasn't ridiculous with other people as well.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And I believe the attorney's quest for money. There's not
going to be an attorney that takes this case if
they haven't looked through all, like you said, the discovery.
I've sued a person or two, and most of the
attorneys that I've dealt with have been skeptical until I
lay out my evidence and then it's like, oh, yeah,
you don't even have to pay me.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
I'll take my money at the end. So I trust
the greed of these attorneys.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I don't think that this is a flavorous lawsuit in
any way, shape or for him.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
There'll be more coming out, but when we come back.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I've noticed in this conversation about the intersection of sports
and society, more and more athletes, pure athletes, are getting
their own TV shows. In fact, ESPN has dipped his
toes into the late night television formula, with Jason Kelcey, yes,
the brother of Travis Kelsey, getting his own late night
television show on ESPN. Say what, Yes, We're gonna talk
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about that when we come back.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
As we continue to go beyond the box score with
our regular commentator Jackie Ray, who joins us for the
first time in the new year.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
JACKI Ray, you might have seen.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
A recently retired athlete, Jason Kelsey, who played with the
Philadelphia Eagles. He is the older brother of Travis Kelsey,
who's the boyfriend of Taylor Swift. I mentioned on that
because there is a connection here. Jason Kelsey has his
own late night talk show. As a function of ESPN,
ESPN is dipping its toe into to those late night waters.
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If Fox News can do it, if the broadcast networks
can do it, if the other cable networks can do it,
why not ESPN and ESPN has done a good job
of growing sports personalities into i'll say, talk personalities. We
can talk about Pat McAfee and others, so I know
why they're doing this, But what about the larger picture
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athletes becoming personalities commenting on anything and everything, not just sports.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I think it's an interesting flow because it wasn't too
long ago when we were hearing people tell athletes to
shut up and dribble. Of course it's a specific athlete
that they were saying that too. But nonetheless, the overarching
thought process has been you're good at that, be good
at that. But I think what people have and I've
said this from day one. A reason why sometimes you
get that little guy on the basketball team that's so
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popular is because he is the little guy and he
can he resonates to the normal person.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Jason Kelcey.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Although he is an amazing football player, his personality says
normal guy. Dry, yeah, normal guy, like, hey, Bill, hell
is your day?
Speaker 7 (09:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
It's just there's not a lot of like he's the
guy that you get to wave to down the street.
He doesn't seem like he has an unattainable lifestyle see
him being He's just relatable.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Boy.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
I'll see you there, baby. Oh my gosh, how did
we get here? Love you guys too? Oh what's happening
all right?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Uh?
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Yeah, I have on late night show. Not quite sure
how we got here.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (10:35):
I used to love watching Conan as a kid. I
thought it was hilarious, And now I'm up here doing.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
My own show.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
My parents are here.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Oh my god, Yeah, mom, Dad, you were wrong.
Speaker 8 (10:56):
Turns out letting me stay up late at night. It
was a good thing in watching TV, right.
Speaker 9 (11:02):
Listen and one of the other quotes, Yeah, not only
am I getting my own show, but I'm getting to
make my own show with my wife Kylie as an ALTI.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
So I see him being great on late night TV.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I don't watch a lot of late night TV just
because it's corny to me, but I do see him
being great at it because that's when the everyday Joe
can relate to him. Telling him not to drop F
bombs is weird, because that's that's gonna be hard, And
this is this is the intersection. You tell me, Jackie,
don't curse on air unless there's an accident and somebody
put me on air when they weren't supposed to. Aside
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from that, I'm trained, right, in fact, I can train myself.
There's there's certain things in my vernacular that I say
when I'm talking to my friends that I never say
on air because I'm trained.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I'm a professional.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
But if you just take the average everyday Joe and
tell them to be themselves on air, but then put
stipulations on them being themselves, there's gonna be a very
long learning.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Curve to that.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, they have to learn to be even though they're
not in broadcasting broadcastings relegated for our broadcastations like ABC, CBS.
But when you're on cables, that's not broadcasting, that's a
private signal. There's a lesson in that, so they're not broadcasting.
And yes, in theory they could drop an F bomb
because they're not governed by the FCC in the same way.
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But they still have to learn how to be a
personality an interviewer. And I think the closest comparison point
would be Shannon Sharp, someone who's an athlete then moved
to media. Now he's moved into this podcast slash talk
space where he's just a general talk personality and oh yeah,
by the way, he also knows sports. Is this the
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future of all media where we won't have this delineation
between sports talk and news talk. It'll just be talk
because they just talk about anything and everything, kind of
like later with Moe Kelly. I've been doing it in a while,
but now people are coming around to what I've been doing.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Yeah, thank you ahead of your time, because now, and
I've been saying this for years, it's just kind of
caught up that I've been telling when I was with
the Long Beach Post.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Now I'm with the Long Beach Watchdog.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
I've been telling my fellow journalists, you have to build
up your individual brand. People don't care that you're an
expert on this and you've been doing this for thirty years.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
They don't care that you have your masters from Harvard.
They want to like you.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
That's the only way you're going to get them to
listen is you have to build up your brand. I'm
not saying everybody has to like you, but everybody is
likable to a certain group of people. You need to
really hone your brand in that. So now you're really
your expertise doesn't matter. And I know this for a
fact because now I'm looking for an agent and my
every single agent that I've talked to you has said, oh,
your Instagram following is good, but you need to build
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up your Twitter folly like, it's all about the number
of eyes. It's not about the fact that I've been
doing this for thirteen years. It's not about the fact
that I'm good at it. It's not about the fact
that I have a degree to do what I'm doing.
It's the fact that people want to push a brand.
So whether your brand is edgy, goofy, the everyday so
you need to tap into that. So, yes, this is
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the future of all news. I think, which is why
people call things like fake news certain outlets, is because
it doesn't just appeal to your bias.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
But that's also because.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
People don't relate to people who are on the news anymore,
you know, the people who are anchoring. That's why they
go to Instagram or TikTok is because they can relate
to the person who's giving the news.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So I think this is where we're going.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
It's now you'd rather hear Billy Bob Thornton talk about
what's going on in politics than somebody who has been
at the Washington Post for thirty years talking about it
in and out right right.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And I call this actually the Joe Rogan effect, where
you have someone who's widely recognizable and known for a
specific demographic be it sports or mma, giving his or
her opinions that a lot of people like, and then
you go from there to your point. I believe we
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pass the point where credibility matters. All of this is
just infotainment. We're getting information, we're getting entertainment. We're not
really looking for credibility. We're looking for affirmation, not necessarily
just information, but you know that's my soapbox before.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
We get out of here.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It's the new year, and I know it's a new
day for the Jackie Ray Show. What are you working on?
What have you been doing?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Yes, the Jackuray Show is going to be an emotional one.
It's going to debut for the first time next week.
In twenty twenty five, I had a chance to talk
to Khalil Salem Senior. His son, Khalil Salim Junior, was
murdered in Long Beach in twenty twenty three and just
talking about the aftermath and the kids in that case
being tried as children instead of adults and what that
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does to his psyche.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
It's more of an emotional piece.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
But also if you want to check out Jackuary TV
today talking about a lot how homelessness has really impacted
home ownership in the city of Long Beach, So you
want to check that out at jackureraytv dot com. I'm
doing lots of good things in the community.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Though, jackueary And also maybe next week we can talk
about the latest in women's college and also win men's
professional basketball.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
There's a lot swirling around.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I got to get an update on page I got
to get an update on Juju idn't get got to.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Get it up on all those male coaches that we
have in the WNBA now right, digress.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Right all those things, and you know what, I'm quite
sure time will allot us that in the future. Jackuary,
It's always great to see you. A belated happy New
Year to you, and we'll talk again too.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Speak soon.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
If you've ever flown transatlantic or even transpecific long flight,
it can be a difficult, arduous trek. You could have
a flight anywhere from eight hours to maybe twelve or
thirteen hours, and if you're not in economy class, maybe
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you're in business class, and even business class, it doesn't
mean that it's going to be a very comfortable trip.
You're still stuck on that airplane. When I flew to
Korea back in June, I think that was about maybe
twelve hours twelve thirteen hours each way, and I was
flying in like business class, so I could recline all
the way down. They had a kind of a lounge
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area up front, so you can go stretch your legs
and that was really needed. Okay, there are only so
many movies that you can watch over the course of
thirteen hours. But let me tell you about a story
from hell. Imagine this. Jerome Gutierrez was traveling in business class,
so it was an economy class business class on a
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United Airlines flight from San Francisco International to Manila in
the Philippines on December twenty seventh, when a man got
up from his seat about four hours into the flight
and began urinating on him, urinating on him? What would
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you do? I know what I would do. I would
lose my mind. Here's what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
He was asleep and buckled in and surprised to find
out that he was being urinated on when he woke up. Now,
after the perpetrator finished his business quote, Jerome realized he
was soaked from his stomach down to his feet in urine. Mark,
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So he let the guy finish. That was nice of him. Oh,
it gets worse than that. It is much worse than that.
In fact, he was instructed by the airline to stay
in his seat for the rest of his flight for
eight more hours.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Oh my god, eight.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Hours soaked in urine. Now I'm not going to pass judgment.
I'm not going to pass judgment on him. Because you're
on a plane, you're probably not going to try to
make a scene. But I don't know how anyone can
get it. I don't know how anyone can get through that.
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I know what I would do. Actually, I don't know
what I do. I know what I would try not
to do. I would try not to bring the plane down.
I would try because I'm starting to fight right there
in the middle of the aisle with that guy, So.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
You wouldn't let him finish, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
If I was asleep, I don't know what I would.
I don't know how. If I were awakened to it
and I realized that it was happening, yes, I would
start to fight. I think i'd want to make sure
that the airplane wasn't going to charge me extra for
the urine. Well.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
See, the thing is all they.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Did was the airline ban him from the airline after that.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That seems kind of a blame, kind of limp, kind
of limp punishment. Oh, I'm on foush.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And a tough crowd tonight, you know what, Let me
just go to break okay, because it seems like Mike
Johnson is calling me right now from Waimo from the
Waymo incidents, So we're gonna try to get him on
the air right now. So we're gonna break now, break early,
We're gonna get Mike John's on the air. Hold on
all right, Mike, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You're listening to Later with Mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Kelly.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app And during the
last segment, I was caught off guard because my phone
was going crazy. Give me some backstory. At the beginning
of the show, I was talking about the Waimo story
with this guy was caught in a way Moo going
in circles and people.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Are saying like, oh my gosh, how could that happen?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And you know, here on Lady with Mo Kelly, we
always talked about Waimo and all the issues. Well, when
I was looking at that story about the guy who
was caught in circles trying to get on his flight
coming back to La the same the name was Mike Johns.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I'm thinking, Mike Johns, I know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
That name, and then I realized it's one of my
fraternity brothers a friend for like more than thirty years.
We had lost contact because he's a big tech CEO
now making a whole lot of money and I'm just
doing radio and you know, lives going different directions. So
I've reached out to him and tried to figure out
if I could get him on the show tonight. And
I think Taalla's talking to him right now. What's the
(21:22):
status right now? Okay, we can get him on the air.
He'll be good, so we can find out and get
his story firsthand of what happened when he was in
the way.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Most he Stephan, tell me what's going on.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
They're still trying to get him hooked up right now,
so we can get his story.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
All right, go ahead and bring him up.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Mike Johns, my brother of megasci Fi Fratorney Incorporated.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
How you doing, my friend, Mike?
Speaker 7 (21:50):
You there, Amyir? How you doing?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I am? I am well.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Look I saw this story of you going around in
a way more and I said, that looks like someone
for me read the stories like Mike johnsh is like
that's dog from Las Vegas, and so, Heystan, I got
to reach out to you as soon as possible. Let
me get out of the way. You were in the WEIMO.
You are a tech CEO of Digital State Mind digital
(22:15):
Mind excuse me, digital mind State. You are an authority
on AI when all this is going tell me why
did you get in a weymo and what happened?
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Let's do one better. First of all, I'm a futurist
in tech show. I'm supportive of autonomous vehicles. I am
definitely in full support of that. In this situation, I'm
so much in support of it that me and my
son was actually going to get in this, but it
was me that did it on this goal. On the
second goal round, I chose it. Just the future is
(22:47):
here and these are things that you're going to have
to embrace regardless. So the glitches are happening right now.
Ultimately they may get fixed down the line. But in
this situation, I got an the car trying to get
back to the airport, going from Sky Harbor to get
to lax The first as soon as I get in
(23:08):
the car, it goes in a circle and it's like, damn,
it should have went the wrong this way, but instead
it did this does another circle the second time. I'm
like and then I'm thinking Okay, by the second third,
is the prank? Somebody up to a prank. I felt
like literally some of my tech buddies might have been
(23:29):
one to do the perfect timing, even though I'm in
Scottsdale at the moment. Somebody might have just set this up.
But no, this is real. This is this car has
actually been There's a glitch, not hacked. There's some sort
of glitch that's going on. And the people from the
control towers right there looking at the satellite systems probably realize, Hey,
(23:51):
this car has been going in multiple circles. Let me
go ahead and contact the customer and try to resolve
the matter. That's what WAYMA was trying to do.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Okay, Mike, just so you know, can't have a cuss. Uh,
thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But when you were in the car and you're contacting WAYMO,
how much time has transpired? I know you took some
time trying to contact WAYMO, and it took some time
for them to get back to you.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
So how long were you stuck in this loop? Literally?
Speaker 7 (24:21):
So correction, you're in the car, I'm wondering what's going on,
And as I mentioned before, as the car is in
the circle, I believe that from their headquarters. Again, everything
is controlled by GPS and satellites. They were able to
realize that there was a problem. They prompt promptly over
the speaker started to talk to me. I don't even
(24:43):
have known what to do? Okay, then and that happening.
They went ahead and needed my phone to help fix
the problem with the car. That's where I was pissed.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
They needed your phone.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In other words, they needed data from you or to
input to command.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
They needed to you know, like edit your ride, something
fixing with the ride itself to then be able to
go its course. So they needed to actually do something
in the app inside the way moo app, and then
they were able to take control and regain control of
the car.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
All told, how much time did this take before you
got at least moving towards your destination?
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Man? That was they I guess it was about seven
minutes the longest seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Were you a Let me put it this way, if
you needed to in an emergency, would you have been
able to get out of the car on your own
with anger?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
You know, if it was more of a if I
found myself in a more of a dangerous or a
threatening situation. I would have had to kick the windows. Absolutely,
I would have had to kick the windows to do
something because I couldn't get out the car.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
The car seemed like it was moving about ten miles
an hour? Is that accurate? That's Did you try to
contact anyone else during this process? Or you only were
in contact with Wemo?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Thank god it was in the marking lot, so I
didn't feel, you know, any danger or anything like that
that I actually filmed it, like, okay, you know, again
stunned this is happening, let me document this, and again,
grace to God, they already knew that they realized that
there was a problem. That's when they promptly got over
(26:30):
their inncount system and started talking that they realized that
there was a problem. I didn't call. I wouldn't even
have known how to contact them.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Did you miss your flight?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I saw conflicting stories about whether you actually missed your
flight or no.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Yeah, did not miss the flight, Thank god there was
a delay. Did not miss the flight. People that reported
that I missed the flight were people that didn't talk
to me.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
M M well.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I saw the video that you posted on your LinkedIn page.
So this happened a while ago. Has Weimo reached out
sense and said, hey, we're real sorry, can we give
you like free rides for life?
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I have not had any communication with Weymo.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Not even like a coupon in your email.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I haven't received any communication from Weymo.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Damn. Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now, as a tech professional, you said before I let
you go, you said that, of course this is and
I'm paraphrasing, that this is to be expected with technology.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
There's going to be glitches.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Would you, at this point, as a futurist and tech CEO,
recommend Weimo for a lay citizen like me?
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Very good question. I would say this as my answer.
You drive at your risk, at your own risk, at
your own discretion. So a part of me will say, hey,
data is out there that says, you know, atonomics vehicles
are safer than human vehicles. Once you get into the vehicle,
(28:01):
anything can happen, be it autonomous, be it the human,
anything can happen. As the greatest source out there. But
when it comes to me getting back in the call
have car having a sense of security. One of the
things that I stand on is that for everyday citizens,
you do not want to be a part of the experiment,
especially when you're having a pain to be in the experiment.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Well, damn, I think that pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Mike Johns, CEO, Digital Mind State. How can people reach
out to you and find more of your work?
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Mike Johns Dot CEO. We're out here doing a new
thing called Make America Smart with AI, and so the
timing of this again, I'm here at CEF campaigning on
that Make America Smart with AI. There's a new book
that's coming out called Depth of a Job that's really
going to be dialing in on what the world looks
(28:54):
like between twenty twenty five and twenty thirty, which jobs
are going to be here change and also which ones
will be obsolete. Very important because the black and brown
community must pay attention to this. Do not be a
part of the obsolete society.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Mike Johns, you need to come in studio and sit
with us sometime. I know you're the LA area. We're
probably like neighbors and I don't even know it. So
let's stay in touchdown now.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
I love to get with you Inglewood anytime. Say win, Oh,
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Outside of Inglewood. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
We're neighbors. Come on, you're the big man. You don't
even know what you don't know what. I saw your text.
You were the one right out of un l V
helped set up my first interview. That's my love for you,
my first interview with Warner grew Warner, I remember way.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, well, let's let's keep this friendship going.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Anyways, let me touch my brother, all right, thank you.
It's led with Mo Kelly. Can't I am six forty.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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