January 16, 2025 • 32 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – Thoughts on TikTok’s pending demise and potential rise as a new company, Starbucks' backlash after announcing the end of the company’s “open-door policy,” AND the Supreme Court's decision to establish “state-enforced age limits for porn websites” - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
TikTok, and this is a conversation we've been having for
a while, just in case it's the first time you're
listening to a letter with mo Kelly or the first
time you're hearing me talk about it, So let me
just reset very quickly. We all know that TikTok has
been banned, and I put that in quotes by the
United States, and the band specifically means that you will
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not be able to download from Apple's App Store and
the Google Play App Store. It does not mean that
it's going to miracle and a miracle just disappear from
your phones. You won't be able to download it from
those two places, and the app, according to TikTok, will
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not be updated. And I make that distinction because that's
the app. At the beginning of show, I was using
Steph as a marketing tool, a prop if you will,
and I had him logging the TikTok via the web page.
I am of the opinion that the TikTok dot com
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web page is still going to exist, because TikTok is
still going to exist.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
If by chance they.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Try to block it and not allow you to use
the TikTok dot com web page like they're trying to
do with porn Hub.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We'll talk about that as well later on.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Anyone who knows anything about a VPN virtual private network
can circumvent that. We know that TikTok is not going
to go away. TikTok is saying that it is shutting
down in the United States, but it does not say
that they're going out of business. It just means that
they're quote unquote shutting down in the United States. They
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maybe will close their offices, but people will still be
able to reach TikTok talk, whether it's in an app
form or not. You can go to TikTok dot com
right now and you can use just the web version.
You can upload videos, you can do everything that you
can do right now on your phone. And what I
mean by that is you don't need to be on
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a desktop computer. You can just use your browser and
go to TikTok dot com. That's the first thing. Well,
when we first talked about this, I made it also
clear that although the law requires byte Dance, the parent company,
to divest it's US operations, what you will do or
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has done. It does not preclude byte Dance from creating
or redirecting all their traffic to some other app. I
don't know if they call it talk tic, you know,
or tick tick or talk talk or some other name
which effectively does the same thing. And there's also this.
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There are other explicitly Chinese government connected social media apps
which are still available, still available, that American users can
go to right now. There is Xiaoshongshu which I probably mispronounced.
That's one of them. That's called red note here in
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the US. It is a Chinese social media app. It
is controlled by the Chinese government, and it is available
is I would say the closest thing to it is Instagram. Okay,
it's probably Instagram slash TikTok by another name. It's still
controlled by China, and people are flocking to it. The
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point is just banning, and again I put that in
air quotes. Banning tik talk doesn't address the fundamental issue
and concern of Chinese government officials or the Chinese government
having all of our data. You have not closed that
pathway way. It's almost like you close one road, then
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another one opens up, and it's doing exactly the same thing.
The people who are using these types of apps are
going to continue to use these types of apps. Bike
Dance and other Chinese controlled companies are still in the
business of creating these types of apps, even if they
have nefarious intentions underneath, They're still going to get your data. Why,
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because they're still allowed to operate in the United States.
They're still allowed to create apps which will be in
the App Store, and if they are not in the
App Store on the Google Play App market, you can
still use the web versions. And I use the example
of Pornhub, which is the most visited website in the world.
Do you think that just because they don't have an
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app which is available in the Apple App Store or
the Google Play Store, that people stop going to Pornhub.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Nope, It's the most visited website in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So do you think banning and Florida's gonna make any
damn difference.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Now, how people use it and utilize it in a
non app form may be different. But you can pull
up porn Hub on your phone right now. I know
this for a fact.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I know this.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Say what you want, pass all the judgment you want,
but I know you can pull up porn.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Hub on your whole judgment past. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm saying the same applies here, the same applies here,
And I don't understand why people are so caught up
in the idea of TikTok being banned when there are.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
TikTok talk esque apps by.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Chinese government companies offering basically the same app the same
experience under a different name. In other words, you solve nothing,
you stop nothing, You've prevented nothing, You've protected nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Good night. Do you mind if I chime in here?
Speaker 5 (05:54):
No? I don't mind chime I think you're exactly on
the right track, which pains me to say, by the way,
because you could be forgiven for wondering what's up with this?
Elon Musk has turned Twitter x into assesspool of disinformation
and hate speech. He's been shown objectively this is not
opinion to be one of the world's most prolific spreaders
of disinformation. Zuckerberg has used Facebook and Meta to harvest
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and sell our personal data in ways that should horrify
all of us if we're even aware of it. So
you could be forgiven for wondering what the TikTok obsession
is all about, especially with old people in Congress who
probably still don't even know how to program their VCRs.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, they probably do not understand the technology behind this.
And to your point, Mark Ronner, I think this is
more about trying to harm the competition than it is
about preventing harm of you and me and everyone else.
As long as these American and I put this in
air quotes, these American companies are misusing and abusing our data.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It seems like it's okay.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
It reeks of an effort for control to me, because
who uses TikTok young people?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I look at it like you changing the name because
they're they're they're banning it, and we already know. Now
there's a whole new company coming out same uh, same app,
same app, still from China. If they change TikTok to
a whole nother company, no one would be would be
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the wiser.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh wait wait no, to your point, Twala, everyone is
aware because they're doing this in plain view. Red note
the Joang Xiao Shoe and Lemit eight, which are like
the Instagram esque apps, which are right now at the
very top of the Apple App Store and Google Play guess.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Who owns them, don't you dare say it? It better
not be bike Dance, the same fricking company, the same.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
In other words, if you think that byte Dance has
less access to your and my data or the users
who want the TikTok experience, people.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are already migrating over to these other apps.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Eliminate a Jao Jong shoot, which I know I'm pronouncing incorrectly.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
We always screw up those names. Did you also see
earlier in the week that Elon Musk was one of
the rumored potential buyers for TikTok.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No, he wouldn't do that, Yeah he would. You would.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You're not suggesting that someone with disproportionate government influence and
financial interests is part of the movement against banning TikTok
and then he could buy the company and all of
his data for pennies on the dollar.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You're not suggesting that, are You? Go figure it's later
with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I'm just telling you this is happening in play is
this is not being hidden by anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You can verify this for yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You can look at these other byte dance apps and
go to the app store list and see where they
are right now the same company which owns TikTok. Only
TikTok is being banned. It changes nothing, It protects nothing.
It it uh, It does not protect anyone. And it's
happening right in front of your face. So if you
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happen to be of the opinion that this is what
America needs to protect itself, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Ban that comedy app you're being played for a fool.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Then let's talk Starbucks. Some friends I have, some family
I have. They love Starbucks. Every single day they start
to day going to Starbucks, getting the Vini Tall Grande
moc late something something to squirts of this la la
la la. I don't drink coffee, and people always say, what,
(10:01):
I don't drink coffee. Never have I've tasted coffee, but
I've never liked drank coffee. I don't even do caffeine.
I don't do coffee. I don't do SODA's just you know,
closest I'll get to coffee is and I talked about
this with Mark Ronner. Closest I'll get to that is
oh hot chocolate. That's it because you're a Mormon. Yes,
(10:22):
that's exactly it me and bring them up. Yes, never
really had any affinity for coffee. And the reason I
bring that up is by extension, Starbucks doesn't have any
real allure for me.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So this is not personal against Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm just saying I've never really had any interest in
going to Starbucks except for the occasional breakfast, sandwich or something.
Or someone would have a meeting and they say, why
don't we meet a Starbucks. That's it. The reason I
say that, especially why don't we meet at Starbucks? Starbucks
was that place where you could go hang out as
kind of like a library, and I used Starbucks for
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their Internet. During the early portion of my radio career,
if you don't know, I was doing BBC radio commentaries
and I talked about this anytime I do public speaking.
I was so broke I couldn't afford internet and doing
BBC interviews. It was usually for the morning show over
in Scotland or in London, which meant that it was
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real late in the evening nighttime, sometimes in the middle
of the night, like two three in the morning here
in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was so broke I would.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Drive my car and park just as close as I
could to Starbucks so I could siphon off its free
internet so I could conduct a Skype radio interview. True story.
So that was my only real connection to Starbucks. You know,
you have like meetings, but Starbucks used to have this policy,
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this open door policy where you could just come hang out.
You know, you didn't have to really ask for permission.
You can come in and use the restroom, sit inside,
have your meetings. Starbucks' latest policy is now, uh uh
no more. We're closing that open door policy. I know
what you were told years ago that you could come out,
have your meetings, hang out here, but you're going to
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have to pay for some stuff and you can't linger quote.
We want everyone to feel welcome and comfortable in our stores.
By setting clear expectations for behavior and use of our spaces,
we can create a better environment for everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Close quote.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And that's the spokesperson something something somebody, somebody. Let me
just say right now at the top, and I would
love to get your thoughts Towala, and I would love
to get your thoughts Mark Ronald because one Mark you
drink coffee, and Twala your anti Starbucks. I think, okay,
you love coffee as well. I think this was a
horrible business decision by Starbucks. It's going to generate nothing
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but negative publicity and is not true. Not all publicity
is good publicity. There is bad publicity when you talk
about a brand and how people perceive a brand. I
remember talking about how these cannabis cafes were going to
be in direct competition with Starbucks. You let a cannabis
dispensary also sell some food and sell some coffee. People
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may not leave there for six seven hours, and they're
going to keep supporting that venue. You're gonna put some
music in there as well. You said I can get
high and when I get the munchies, i'd get something
to eat as well. Why would I ever go to
Starbucks ever again? And they'll probably have internet as well.
I'm saying Starbucks, like Boston Market, was one of those
franchise locations which I believe over extended itself, where you
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have one on every corner. As far as Starbucks is concerned,
not that many people drink that much coffee. And I
think if you give people reasons not to come to
your establishment, they will take you.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Up on it.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
And this is also happening in the midst of Starbucks
facing serious, serious internal strife with these Starbucks union growth
and all the striking and the demand for better pay
or better tips or whatever it is that they're out
there for. Maybe they will more frouthers. I have no idea,
I don't care. I don't go to Starbucks and I
never will ever again. For me, the thing that strikes
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me about this policy is it also opens the door
for the unintended consequence of having one of your Starbucks
employees or manager likely harassing customers that we're in there,
Customers who are either going to ignore your no more lounging.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Policy, or people who just aren't paying attention whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It allows Starbucks employees to come up and taps the
excuse me, sir, you're gonna have to go now.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I'm sorry, you're gonna have to leave. But that's what
got Starbucks in trouble. And they had that day meeting
of the sensitivity training. Do they not remember that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
If this is begging for negative publicity, begging And yes,
not every state will have cannabis cafes because not every
state has legalize a recreational use of marijuana. I'm just
saying this may be the apex for Starbucks and everything
after this is downhill.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Mark, what say you?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I am ashamed to admit that I like their breakfast sandwiches,
but I don't go to Starbucks very often for a
number of reasons. First of all, their coffee is so
acidic that it kills me. Second, I just think they've
turned into kind of one of our cultural bad guys
with you know, starting with the way they treat their
employees while their new CEO gets something like one hundred
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and thirteen million dollar compensation package, Like, sorry, we're gonna
shut down stores that try to unionize, so people can
you know, afford to live indoors. That rubs me the
wrong way, and this kind of thing. I think you're
one hundred percent right. Again, it pains me to admit
why one show. Yeah, I hope people forget this and
it's scrubbed from our system. Twalla, please dine wipe, Please
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don't put this on the podcast tool.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's gonna be a probo.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
But you know they've already they've been in trouble for like,
you know, profiling people who who black people who had
ordered a drink and were there for a meeting, like
you got to get out of here. You know, you
can look this stuff up yourself. This isn't me just
spinning tall tails. They've kind of got a long history
of acting like jerks to people, and that's including the
fact that their coffee is really expensive.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't think that helps this helps the brand. I
don't think it helps their business model. And I was
staying to Tuala. If you have someone who knows that
they can hang out for an hour or so, there's
a good chance they're going to spend some money. You
get none of that. Now, you're not going to get
the foot traffic. Once the word gets out about this,
you're not going to get the money, and the money's
going to be spent elsewhere. I don't think this does
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any favors for the brand or any particular location. Yes,
I know they have coffee drive throughs, but what I
hear from people and friends is that they most liked
the ability to go in and have an informal meeting,
meet at Starbucks, stay there for an hour or two.
It was like a library. You had the free internet.
It was set up in that except you didn't have
to be quiet. You could actually make noise and it
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was a meeting place and if you were hungry, oh yeah,
they're selling coffee and good breakfast sandwiches. Now you throw
all that out the window. If anything, I wouldn't have
announced this. I would have very very quietly started discouraging
people from lingering.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Well, they wanted to announce it, I'm sorry. They wanted
to keep it the rest of the way from becoming
a library, which are notorious for homeless people going and
hanging out all day to be indoors out of the
weather and sleeping there. But they did it kind of
the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You could have said, hey, if you're gonna stay more
than now, you have to make a purchase.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I have dealt with Starbucks quite a number of times
as a reporter, and they're so tightly controlled on absolutely
every single thing, right up to even talking about the
music that they sell in their CDs at the register.
I don't really expect them to have a very human
personable approach too much of anything.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
They're gonna pay for this. They're gonna pay for it dearly,
absolutely instant. The very first cannabis cafe opens up within
a I'm gonna give it a ten mile square radius
of at least five Starbucks, because you know there's five
Starbucks all next to each other in a ten mile radius.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, they're gonna go down.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
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Speaker 1 (18:20):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Let's talk to porn.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Last year, you may remember, Texas enacted in age verification
law that requires pornographic websites like pornhub to confirm their
users are eighteen years of age or older, and lawyers
for twenty three other states and they are Republican led.
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Just for context, as far as the political implications or
at least the motivations behind this, twenty three other Republican
led states have joined in and support of Texas, saying
they have a plan to adopt similar measures. And I
know this is being debated on the Supreme Court right now,
and the Supreme Court from the questions being asked by
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the justices, you can tell that they're leaning in favor
of state enforced age limits, in other words, allowing the
state enforced age limits on porn websites. Not that I
am a connoisseur of porn, but I know a little
something about porn websites when it's being discussed in print
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and in the media regarding age verification, this age verification law.
I'm not going to ask Stephan to do this, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm going to be mad enough to do
my own research. So I'm going to pornhub dot com
right now.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Not a joke. You're doing it for science. I'm doing
it for the public good. You know what. I'm going
to join you.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Tiffany Hobbs is joining us in the studio, and I
think we should have a female perspective on pornhub. So
go ahead and pull out your phone in first.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I'm already there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Oh okay, we're all out pornhub dot com.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I need to go to incogmuito mode first. No, I'm
using by Real, no VPN, no protection. I'm raw dogging.
Here are you now on Internet?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Okay? So I think we're all at the same.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Page, at the verification page.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Dear Human Resources Department, let me turn my volume down.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
This has to do with age verification law, age verification,
the age verification on pornhub dot com.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It just gives me two choices.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, let me just read what it says, this is
an adult website, that the website contains age restricted materials,
including nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. By entering,
you affirm that you are at least eighteen years of
age or the age of majority in the jurisdiction you're
accessing the website from, and you consent to viewing sexually
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explicit content. You got two choices. Number one, I am
eighteen or older enter and number two, I am under
eighteen Exit.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
This is not that's it. They are on the porn system.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I remember when I was fifteen go to the liquor store.
They asked, son, are you twenty one?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yes? I am? And that was enough? Right? Yeah? Or not? Oh? Oh?
I remember going.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
To the to the grocery store last week and I
bought some whiskey, and I am mathematically closer to ninety
than I am twenty. No exaggeration. That math is hard
to accept, but it's accurate. I was still asked for ID.
That is age verification. This multiple choice is not as well.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Okay, but wait, we don't know what happens if you
say you are age.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Okay, let me pray that's the button.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Oh my god, and more ways than one I am
and they're they're taking me at my word that I
am over eighteen Wow property sex.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
This person is supposed to be over eighteen too.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This video is I hope the neighbors were pleased with
what they saw and this. I can't say the word
on the radio like I said, Hattier Russian sex La
Rhodes will use her throat her Ooh, I can't say that.
All right.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
You really need to talk about the grammar on the descriptions.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's unacceptable. It is the age verification.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This by law, all these laws across these twenty four states.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
This is sufficient.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
We are kidding ourselves, which goes back to the whole
TikTok discussion. You are not precluding anything. You're not banning anything.
You are not protecting anything. You are not making it
more difficult for anyone. Anyone who knows how to use
a computer can press a button saying I am eighteen tingo,
dyesiecho anos.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I thought you were saying something freaky.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
First, I was like, what freaking Oh you're Spanish mequol tingo.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That still sounds freaky. No, it is you just didn't
know what I said. It's legal, but yeah it was Russian.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
M here's a serious point. These laws don't mean anything.
It's just political groundstanding. Any kid, any age can and
will because in the way that when I was fourteen
year old's hunting for playboys and you know, anything I
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could find. Hell, the Sears catalog back then was enough.
Seeing the women in the underwear tell me I'm wrong.
Today you can find pornography anywhere for free. It used
to be growing up outside of the mag scenes. And
I remember the whole revolution of the porn on home
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video that changed everything. But even then, walking into a
video store because I was asked, you had to show
ID to go into that room at the back of
the video store, and that was kind of a walk
of shame because you come out with the beads and
everything hagging beads and everyone knew that, oh, you've written
some porn.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That was like the old school security because you can't
sneak in there.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
No, because it was like a larm loud.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And then you come up to the to the register
and they'd have the empty box and it would be like,
you know, Debbie does Dallas and everyone in the scene
and then the guy working a counter turn around.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I need someone to pull Debbie does Dallas from the back.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, I get it from the back. By the way,
those those porn sections, those were close quarters too.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You don't want multiple people in there. Oh it was.
It's the there's like two rows. It was like front back.
That was it.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
There was usually a rotund gentleman in there that yeah,
like trying to let me. I'll just go around the
other side. I don't want to rub up against shot.
The point is.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
These laws, the whole discussion on the Supreme Court level
is a farce.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You don't have to take my word for it. You
can go to pornhub dot com right now.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Also, I think we know where Thomas stands. Justice Clearance
Thomas stands on this issue?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Is he standing? Look at a time.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Six forty we're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. Now,
Mark Ronner, let's let's pause thousand and one, thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
And last segment, we were talking about the Supreme Court
weighing in on whether states will be allowed to impose
and also enforce age limits on porn websites, restricting access,
and I thought like, wait a minute, do they understand
what age verification is and is not, because it seems
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like no one's having the honest conversation because I visited
I have visited in the past, long ago a site
or two over the years, and there were some which
had age verification quote unquote where they ask the question
and you push the button and they asked you are
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you eighteen? Yes, I am, and then all of a sudden, Wow,
you were in the midst of everything. It's like walking
into Sodom and Gomora. Just one step, you're right in there.
That's not age verification. And we were using other examples.
Go to the grocery store, ask to see your ID tivity.
Howks you're telling me about how, let's say you can
do door dash and what happens.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Yeah, So I've ordered from Ralphs. I use their service,
and if you want to purchase alcohol like I've done,
you can purchase alcohol online through the app. They don't
ask you for any age verification there, but they do
warn you that you will have your ID checked by
the person who's dropping off your order once they get
to your home.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So that happened.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
So I order, the person comes delivers the groceries, and
he immediately asks to see my ID, of which he
then took and put into a scanning device so that
he could verify the validity of my ID, because if
I was not over twenty one, I was not going
to be handed the bag with the alcohol.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's age verification.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
I remember, long, long, long ago, I had come across
a horn page. We'll just that was happenstance. I'm sure
I don't know what I was looking for. It just
popped up. You said, you came across it, Yes, and
it popped up.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, no, no, damn, damn, damn. That was perfect. That's
what she said. Oh okay, so it fit the segment.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Without her, without her, without a rim shot. I had
to I had to, uh, in order to prove I
was over age, I had to submit a credit card,
and they charged a dollar to verify the credit card
was active, and so that way they say, okay, you
had to put it in eighteen short thing, you must.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Submit a credit card for verification. And I'm like, huh.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Not too many people under the age of eighteen have
a credit card. Not too many kids are going to
be bold enough to get their parents' credit card.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
To go on a porn site. Yeah. Also they're smarter
than that. Not all.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
No, No, they can work around it. Who would give
a credit card number?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Come on, m I'm sorry, next question.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
All I'm saying is we should be able to distinguish
between theater and actual, meaningful legislation. It doesn't matter if
all fifty states are down for quote unquote age verification,
it's not actual age verification. For example, I'm going to
be in Chicago tomorrow because I'm going out there for
(29:22):
a martial arts seminar. The last time I went out there,
When I want to get an uber, they actually have
identity verification where you have to upload your driver's license
so they know exactly who is getting in the car.
They can verify everything about me. None of these porn sites,
to my knowledge, I haven't visited them all, but in
my research over the years, none of these porn sites
(29:45):
have asked me to upload any identification to verify my age.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
They just asked me. They take my word for it,
honor system. And to your point, there's even people i'm
in LA that are from New York, and I guess
the way they do it over there is I can't
start the ride until you give me the pin number.
That's only they can see on their phone, right I
forgot about that, Yes, and they give that to me
and then I'm allowed to start the ride.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So yeah, that like that's the verification.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Right this pornho do pornhub dot com. No, it's not,
it's not. It is nothing like that. It is lip
service to satisfy a legal requirement and the fact that
it hasn't been brought up on any of these laws
saying the age verification should include X, Y and Z
or must include and it wasn't a part of the
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oral arguments. Sorry, that's what they're called. They're called oral
arguments at the Supreme Court. I mean, if you're giving
lip service, she said, I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Were we discussing. I mean, it'd be different if we
were like really took it there.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Dude, Yeah, I get you in.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
She's back, she never left.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
She's gonna be president someday. Just watch she is on
the road. I can't say that where. I can't say that.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Which road exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Look, I stopped myself almost got myself fired right there.
I almost got myself fired. And then there's a little
there's the internal editor button saying don't say that, don't
don't do that. Why don't we just go ahead and
end this segment right here. I'll just come back with
the viral load. So coming up, it's Tiffany Hobbs. She'll
(31:42):
be coming back with the viral load, and she'll be
spreading all of her knowledge regarding social media and what's
hot and.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Wide and exciting. I gotta go. You brought it up,
you can keep it up. I'm gonna keep it up.
That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
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You're listening to Later with mo Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
TikTok, and this is a conversation we've been having for
a while, just in case it's the first time you're
listening to a letter with mo Kelly or the first
time you're hearing me talk about it, So let me
just reset very quickly. We all know that TikTok has
been banned, and I put that in quotes by the
United States, and the band specifically means that you will
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not be able to download from Apple's App Store and
the Google Play App Store. It does not mean that
it's going to miracle and a miracle just disappear from
your phones. You won't be able to download it from
those two places, and the app, according to TikTok, will
(00:46):
not be updated. And I make that distinction because that's
the app. At the beginning of show, I was using
Steph as a marketing tool, a prop if you will,
and I had him logging the TikTok via the web page.
I am of the opinion that the TikTok dot com
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web page is still going to exist, because TikTok is
still going to exist.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
If by chance they.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Try to block it and not allow you to use
the TikTok dot com web page like they're trying to
do with porn Hub.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We'll talk about that as well later on.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Anyone who knows anything about a VPN virtual private network
can circumvent that. We know that TikTok is not going
to go away. TikTok is saying that it is shutting
down in the United States, but it does not say
that they're going out of business. It just means that
they're quote unquote shutting down in the United States. They
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maybe will close their offices, but people will still be
able to reach TikTok talk, whether it's in an app
form or not. You can go to TikTok dot com
right now and you can use just the web version.
You can upload videos, you can do everything that you
can do right now on your phone. And what I
mean by that is you don't need to be on
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a desktop computer. You can just use your browser and
go to TikTok dot com. That's the first thing. Well,
when we first talked about this, I made it also
clear that although the law requires byte Dance, the parent company,
to divest it's US operations, what you will do or
(02:37):
has done. It does not preclude byte Dance from creating
or redirecting all their traffic to some other app. I
don't know if they call it talk tic, you know,
or tick tick or talk talk or some other name
which effectively does the same thing. And there's also this.
(02:59):
There are other explicitly Chinese government connected social media apps
which are still available, still available, that American users can
go to right now. There is Xiaoshongshu which I probably mispronounced.
That's one of them. That's called red note here in
(03:21):
the US. It is a Chinese social media app. It
is controlled by the Chinese government, and it is available
is I would say the closest thing to it is Instagram. Okay,
it's probably Instagram slash TikTok by another name. It's still
controlled by China, and people are flocking to it. The
(03:41):
point is just banning, and again I put that in
air quotes. Banning tik talk doesn't address the fundamental issue
and concern of Chinese government officials or the Chinese government
having all of our data. You have not closed that
pathway way. It's almost like you close one road, then
(04:05):
another one opens up, and it's doing exactly the same thing.
The people who are using these types of apps are
going to continue to use these types of apps. Bike
Dance and other Chinese controlled companies are still in the
business of creating these types of apps, even if they
have nefarious intentions underneath, They're still going to get your data. Why,
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because they're still allowed to operate in the United States.
They're still allowed to create apps which will be in
the App Store, and if they are not in the
App Store on the Google Play App market, you can
still use the web versions. And I use the example
of Pornhub, which is the most visited website in the world.
Do you think that just because they don't have an
(04:46):
app which is available in the Apple App Store or
the Google Play Store, that people stop going to Pornhub.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Nope, It's the most visited website in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
So do you think banning and Florida's gonna make any
damn difference.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Now, how people use it and utilize it in a
non app form may be different. But you can pull
up porn Hub on your phone right now. I know
this for a fact.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I know this.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Say what you want, pass all the judgment you want,
but I know you can pull up porn.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Hub on your whole judgment past. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm saying the same applies here, the same applies here,
And I don't understand why people are so caught up
in the idea of TikTok being banned when there are.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
TikTok talk esque apps by.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Chinese government companies offering basically the same app the same
experience under a different name. In other words, you solve nothing,
you stop nothing, You've prevented nothing, You've protected nobody.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Good night. Do you mind if I chime in here?
Speaker 5 (05:54):
No? I don't mind chime I think you're exactly on
the right track, which pains me to say, by the way,
because you could be forgiven for wondering what's up with this?
Elon Musk has turned Twitter x into assesspool of disinformation
and hate speech. He's been shown objectively this is not
opinion to be one of the world's most prolific spreaders
of disinformation. Zuckerberg has used Facebook and Meta to harvest
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and sell our personal data in ways that should horrify
all of us if we're even aware of it. So
you could be forgiven for wondering what the TikTok obsession
is all about, especially with old people in Congress who
probably still don't even know how to program their VCRs.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, they probably do not understand the technology behind this.
And to your point, Mark Ronner, I think this is
more about trying to harm the competition than it is
about preventing harm of you and me and everyone else.
As long as these American and I put this in
air quotes, these American companies are misusing and abusing our data.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It seems like it's okay.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
It reeks of an effort for control to me, because
who uses TikTok young people?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I look at it like you changing the name because
they're they're they're banning it, and we already know. Now
there's a whole new company coming out same uh, same app,
same app, still from China. If they change TikTok to
a whole nother company, no one would be would be
(07:28):
the wiser.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh wait wait no, to your point, Twala, everyone is
aware because they're doing this in plain view. Red note
the Joang Xiao Shoe and Lemit eight, which are like
the Instagram esque apps, which are right now at the
very top of the Apple App Store and Google Play guess.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Who owns them, don't you dare say it? It better
not be bike Dance, the same fricking company, the same.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
In other words, if you think that byte Dance has
less access to your and my data or the users
who want the TikTok experience, people.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Are already migrating over to these other apps.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Eliminate a Jao Jong shoot, which I know I'm pronouncing incorrectly.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
We always screw up those names. Did you also see
earlier in the week that Elon Musk was one of
the rumored potential buyers for TikTok.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No, he wouldn't do that, Yeah he would. You would.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You're not suggesting that someone with disproportionate government influence and
financial interests is part of the movement against banning TikTok
and then he could buy the company and all of
his data for pennies on the dollar.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You're not suggesting that, are You? Go figure it's later
with mo Kelly.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I'm just telling you this is happening in play is
this is not being hidden by anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You can verify this for yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You can look at these other byte dance apps and
go to the app store list and see where they
are right now the same company which owns TikTok. Only
TikTok is being banned. It changes nothing, It protects nothing.
It it uh, It does not protect anyone. And it's
happening right in front of your face. So if you
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happen to be of the opinion that this is what
America needs to protect itself, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Ban that comedy app you're being played for a fool.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Then let's talk Starbucks. Some friends I have, some family
I have. They love Starbucks. Every single day they start
to day going to Starbucks, getting the Vini Tall Grande
moc late something something to squirts of this la la
la la. I don't drink coffee, and people always say, what,
(10:01):
I don't drink coffee. Never have I've tasted coffee, but
I've never liked drank coffee. I don't even do caffeine.
I don't do coffee. I don't do SODA's just you know,
closest I'll get to coffee is and I talked about
this with Mark Ronner. Closest I'll get to that is
oh hot chocolate. That's it because you're a Mormon. Yes,
(10:22):
that's exactly it me and bring them up. Yes, never
really had any affinity for coffee. And the reason I
bring that up is by extension, Starbucks doesn't have any
real allure for me.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So this is not personal against Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm just saying I've never really had any interest in
going to Starbucks except for the occasional breakfast, sandwich or something.
Or someone would have a meeting and they say, why
don't we meet a Starbucks. That's it. The reason I
say that, especially why don't we meet at Starbucks? Starbucks
was that place where you could go hang out as
kind of like a library, and I used Starbucks for
(11:03):
their Internet. During the early portion of my radio career,
if you don't know, I was doing BBC radio commentaries
and I talked about this anytime I do public speaking.
I was so broke I couldn't afford internet and doing
BBC interviews. It was usually for the morning show over
in Scotland or in London, which meant that it was
(11:28):
real late in the evening nighttime, sometimes in the middle
of the night, like two three in the morning here
in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was so broke I would.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Drive my car and park just as close as I
could to Starbucks so I could siphon off its free
internet so I could conduct a Skype radio interview. True story.
So that was my only real connection to Starbucks. You know,
you have like meetings, but Starbucks used to have this policy,
(11:56):
this open door policy where you could just come hang out.
You know, you didn't have to really ask for permission.
You can come in and use the restroom, sit inside,
have your meetings. Starbucks' latest policy is now, uh uh
no more. We're closing that open door policy. I know
what you were told years ago that you could come out,
have your meetings, hang out here, but you're going to
(12:17):
have to pay for some stuff and you can't linger quote.
We want everyone to feel welcome and comfortable in our stores.
By setting clear expectations for behavior and use of our spaces,
we can create a better environment for everyone.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Close quote.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And that's the spokesperson something something somebody, somebody. Let me
just say right now at the top, and I would
love to get your thoughts Towala, and I would love
to get your thoughts Mark Ronald because one Mark you
drink coffee, and Twala your anti Starbucks. I think, okay,
you love coffee as well. I think this was a
horrible business decision by Starbucks. It's going to generate nothing
(12:55):
but negative publicity and is not true. Not all publicity
is good publicity. There is bad publicity when you talk
about a brand and how people perceive a brand. I
remember talking about how these cannabis cafes were going to
be in direct competition with Starbucks. You let a cannabis
dispensary also sell some food and sell some coffee. People
(13:16):
may not leave there for six seven hours, and they're
going to keep supporting that venue. You're gonna put some
music in there as well. You said I can get
high and when I get the munchies, i'd get something
to eat as well. Why would I ever go to
Starbucks ever again? And they'll probably have internet as well.
I'm saying Starbucks, like Boston Market, was one of those
franchise locations which I believe over extended itself, where you
(13:40):
have one on every corner. As far as Starbucks is concerned,
not that many people drink that much coffee. And I
think if you give people reasons not to come to
your establishment, they will take you.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Up on it.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
And this is also happening in the midst of Starbucks
facing serious, serious internal strife with these Starbucks union growth
and all the striking and the demand for better pay
or better tips or whatever it is that they're out
there for. Maybe they will more frouthers. I have no idea,
I don't care. I don't go to Starbucks and I
never will ever again. For me, the thing that strikes
(14:13):
me about this policy is it also opens the door
for the unintended consequence of having one of your Starbucks
employees or manager likely harassing customers that we're in there,
Customers who are either going to ignore your no more lounging.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Policy, or people who just aren't paying attention whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It allows Starbucks employees to come up and taps the
excuse me, sir, you're gonna have to go now.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I'm sorry, you're gonna have to leave. But that's what
got Starbucks in trouble. And they had that day meeting
of the sensitivity training. Do they not remember that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
If this is begging for negative publicity, begging And yes,
not every state will have cannabis cafes because not every
state has legalize a recreational use of marijuana. I'm just
saying this may be the apex for Starbucks and everything
after this is downhill.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Mark, what say you?
Speaker 5 (15:10):
I am ashamed to admit that I like their breakfast sandwiches,
but I don't go to Starbucks very often for a
number of reasons. First of all, their coffee is so
acidic that it kills me. Second, I just think they've
turned into kind of one of our cultural bad guys
with you know, starting with the way they treat their
employees while their new CEO gets something like one hundred
(15:32):
and thirteen million dollar compensation package, Like, sorry, we're gonna
shut down stores that try to unionize, so people can
you know, afford to live indoors. That rubs me the
wrong way, and this kind of thing. I think you're
one hundred percent right. Again, it pains me to admit
why one show. Yeah, I hope people forget this and
it's scrubbed from our system. Twalla, please dine wipe, Please
(15:54):
don't put this on the podcast tool.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's gonna be a probo.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
But you know they've already they've been in trouble for like,
you know, profiling people who who black people who had
ordered a drink and were there for a meeting, like
you got to get out of here. You know, you
can look this stuff up yourself. This isn't me just
spinning tall tails. They've kind of got a long history
of acting like jerks to people, and that's including the
fact that their coffee is really expensive.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't think that helps this helps the brand. I
don't think it helps their business model. And I was
staying to Tuala. If you have someone who knows that
they can hang out for an hour or so, there's
a good chance they're going to spend some money. You
get none of that. Now, you're not going to get
the foot traffic. Once the word gets out about this,
you're not going to get the money, and the money's
going to be spent elsewhere. I don't think this does
(16:42):
any favors for the brand or any particular location. Yes,
I know they have coffee drive throughs, but what I
hear from people and friends is that they most liked
the ability to go in and have an informal meeting,
meet at Starbucks, stay there for an hour or two.
It was like a library. You had the free internet.
It was set up in that except you didn't have
to be quiet. You could actually make noise and it
(17:03):
was a meeting place and if you were hungry, oh yeah,
they're selling coffee and good breakfast sandwiches. Now you throw
all that out the window. If anything, I wouldn't have
announced this. I would have very very quietly started discouraging
people from lingering.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Well, they wanted to announce it, I'm sorry. They wanted
to keep it the rest of the way from becoming
a library, which are notorious for homeless people going and
hanging out all day to be indoors out of the
weather and sleeping there. But they did it kind of
the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You could have said, hey, if you're gonna stay more
than now, you have to make a purchase.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I have dealt with Starbucks quite a number of times
as a reporter, and they're so tightly controlled on absolutely
every single thing, right up to even talking about the
music that they sell in their CDs at the register.
I don't really expect them to have a very human
personable approach too much of anything.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
They're gonna pay for this. They're gonna pay for it dearly,
absolutely instant. The very first cannabis cafe opens up within
a I'm gonna give it a ten mile square radius
of at least five Starbucks, because you know there's five
Starbucks all next to each other in a ten mile radius.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, they're gonna go down.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
KFI AM six forty. Mister mo Kelly here, we're live
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Speaker 1 (18:20):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Let's talk to porn.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Last year, you may remember, Texas enacted in age verification
law that requires pornographic websites like pornhub to confirm their
users are eighteen years of age or older, and lawyers
for twenty three other states and they are Republican led.
(18:49):
Just for context, as far as the political implications or
at least the motivations behind this, twenty three other Republican
led states have joined in and support of Texas, saying
they have a plan to adopt similar measures. And I
know this is being debated on the Supreme Court right now,
and the Supreme Court from the questions being asked by
(19:11):
the justices, you can tell that they're leaning in favor
of state enforced age limits, in other words, allowing the
state enforced age limits on porn websites. Not that I
am a connoisseur of porn, but I know a little
something about porn websites when it's being discussed in print
(19:32):
and in the media regarding age verification, this age verification law.
I'm not going to ask Stephan to do this, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm going to be mad enough to do
my own research. So I'm going to pornhub dot com
right now.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Not a joke. You're doing it for science. I'm doing
it for the public good. You know what. I'm going
to join you.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Tiffany Hobbs is joining us in the studio, and I
think we should have a female perspective on pornhub. So
go ahead and pull out your phone in first.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I'm already there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Oh okay, we're all out pornhub dot com.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I need to go to incogmuito mode first. No, I'm
using by Real, no VPN, no protection. I'm raw dogging.
Here are you now on Internet?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Okay? So I think we're all at the same.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Page, at the verification page.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Dear Human Resources Department, let me turn my volume down.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
This has to do with age verification law, age verification,
the age verification on pornhub dot com.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It just gives me two choices.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, let me just read what it says, this is
an adult website, that the website contains age restricted materials,
including nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. By entering,
you affirm that you are at least eighteen years of
age or the age of majority in the jurisdiction you're
accessing the website from, and you consent to viewing sexually
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explicit content. You got two choices. Number one, I am
eighteen or older enter and number two, I am under
eighteen Exit.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
This is not that's it. They are on the porn system.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I remember when I was fifteen go to the liquor store.
They asked, son, are you twenty one?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yes? I am? And that was enough? Right? Yeah? Or not? Oh? Oh?
I remember going.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
To the to the grocery store last week and I
bought some whiskey, and I am mathematically closer to ninety
than I am twenty. No exaggeration. That math is hard
to accept, but it's accurate. I was still asked for ID.
That is age verification. This multiple choice is not as well.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Okay, but wait, we don't know what happens if you
say you are age.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Okay, let me pray that's the button.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Oh my god, and more ways than one I am
and they're they're taking me at my word that I
am over eighteen Wow property sex.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
This person is supposed to be over eighteen too.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This video is I hope the neighbors were pleased with
what they saw and this. I can't say the word
on the radio like I said, Hattier Russian sex La
Rhodes will use her throat her Ooh, I can't say that.
All right.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
You really need to talk about the grammar on the descriptions.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's unacceptable. It is the age verification.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This by law, all these laws across these twenty four states.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
This is sufficient.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
We are kidding ourselves, which goes back to the whole
TikTok discussion. You are not precluding anything. You're not banning anything.
You are not protecting anything. You are not making it
more difficult for anyone. Anyone who knows how to use
a computer can press a button saying I am eighteen tingo,
dyesiecho anos.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I thought you were saying something freaky.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
First, I was like, what freaking Oh you're Spanish mequol tingo.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
That still sounds freaky. No, it is you just didn't
know what I said. It's legal, but yeah it was Russian.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
M here's a serious point. These laws don't mean anything.
It's just political groundstanding. Any kid, any age can and
will because in the way that when I was fourteen
year old's hunting for playboys and you know, anything I
(23:43):
could find. Hell, the Sears catalog back then was enough.
Seeing the women in the underwear tell me I'm wrong.
Today you can find pornography anywhere for free. It used
to be growing up outside of the mag scenes. And
I remember the whole revolution of the porn on home
(24:05):
video that changed everything. But even then, walking into a
video store because I was asked, you had to show
ID to go into that room at the back of
the video store, and that was kind of a walk
of shame because you come out with the beads and
everything hagging beads and everyone knew that, oh, you've written
some porn.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
That was like the old school security because you can't
sneak in there.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
No, because it was like a larm loud.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And then you come up to the to the register
and they'd have the empty box and it would be like,
you know, Debbie does Dallas and everyone in the scene
and then the guy working a counter turn around.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I need someone to pull Debbie does Dallas from the back.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, I get it from the back. By the way,
those those porn sections, those were close quarters too.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
You don't want multiple people in there. Oh it was.
It's the there's like two rows. It was like front back.
That was it.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
There was usually a rotund gentleman in there that yeah,
like trying to let me. I'll just go around the
other side. I don't want to rub up against shot.
The point is.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
These laws, the whole discussion on the Supreme Court level
is a farce.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You don't have to take my word for it. You
can go to pornhub dot com right now.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Also, I think we know where Thomas stands. Justice Clearance
Thomas stands on this issue?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Is he standing? Look at a time.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
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Speaker 1 (25:46):
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Speaker 2 (25:52):
And last segment, we were talking about the Supreme Court
weighing in on whether states will be allowed to impose
and also enforce age limits on porn websites, restricting access,
and I thought like, wait a minute, do they understand
what age verification is and is not, because it seems
(26:15):
like no one's having the honest conversation because I visited
I have visited in the past, long ago a site
or two over the years, and there were some which
had age verification quote unquote where they ask the question
and you push the button and they asked you are
(26:37):
you eighteen? Yes, I am, and then all of a sudden, Wow,
you were in the midst of everything. It's like walking
into Sodom and Gomora. Just one step, you're right in there.
That's not age verification. And we were using other examples.
Go to the grocery store, ask to see your ID tivity.
Howks you're telling me about how, let's say you can
do door dash and what happens.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Yeah, So I've ordered from Ralphs. I use their service,
and if you want to purchase alcohol like I've done,
you can purchase alcohol online through the app. They don't
ask you for any age verification there, but they do
warn you that you will have your ID checked by
the person who's dropping off your order once they get
to your home.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So that happened.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
So I order, the person comes delivers the groceries, and
he immediately asks to see my ID, of which he
then took and put into a scanning device so that
he could verify the validity of my ID, because if
I was not over twenty one, I was not going
to be handed the bag with the alcohol.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That's age verification.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
I remember, long, long, long ago, I had come across
a horn page. We'll just that was happenstance. I'm sure
I don't know what I was looking for. It just
popped up. You said, you came across it, Yes, and
it popped up.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
No, no, no, damn, damn, damn. That was perfect. That's
what she said. Oh okay, so it fit the segment.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Without her, without her, without a rim shot. I had
to I had to, uh, in order to prove I
was over age, I had to submit a credit card,
and they charged a dollar to verify the credit card
was active, and so that way they say, okay, you
had to put it in eighteen short thing, you must.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Submit a credit card for verification. And I'm like, huh.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Not too many people under the age of eighteen have
a credit card. Not too many kids are going to
be bold enough to get their parents' credit card.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
To go on a porn site. Yeah. Also they're smarter
than that. Not all.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
No, No, they can work around it. Who would give
a credit card number?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Come on, m I'm sorry, next question.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
All I'm saying is we should be able to distinguish
between theater and actual, meaningful legislation. It doesn't matter if
all fifty states are down for quote unquote age verification,
it's not actual age verification. For example, I'm going to
be in Chicago tomorrow because I'm going out there for
(29:22):
a martial arts seminar. The last time I went out there,
When I want to get an uber, they actually have
identity verification where you have to upload your driver's license
so they know exactly who is getting in the car.
They can verify everything about me. None of these porn sites,
to my knowledge, I haven't visited them all, but in
my research over the years, none of these porn sites
(29:45):
have asked me to upload any identification to verify my age.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
They just asked me. They take my word for it,
honor system. And to your point, there's even people i'm
in LA that are from New York, and I guess
the way they do it over there is I can't
start the ride until you give me the pin number.
That's only they can see on their phone, right I
forgot about that, Yes, and they give that to me
and then I'm allowed to start the ride.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So yeah, that like that's the verification.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Right this pornho do pornhub dot com. No, it's not,
it's not. It is nothing like that. It is lip
service to satisfy a legal requirement and the fact that
it hasn't been brought up on any of these laws
saying the age verification should include X, Y and Z
or must include and it wasn't a part of the
(30:35):
oral arguments. Sorry, that's what they're called. They're called oral
arguments at the Supreme Court. I mean, if you're giving
lip service, she said, I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Were we discussing. I mean, it'd be different if we
were like really took it there.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Dude, Yeah, I get you in.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
She's back, she never left.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
She's gonna be president someday. Just watch she is on
the road. I can't say that where. I can't say that.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Which road exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Look, I stopped myself almost got myself fired right there.
I almost got myself fired. And then there's a little
there's the internal editor button saying don't say that, don't
don't do that. Why don't we just go ahead and
end this segment right here. I'll just come back with
the viral load. So coming up, it's Tiffany Hobbs. She'll
(31:42):
be coming back with the viral load, and she'll be
spreading all of her knowledge regarding social media and what's
hot and.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Wide and exciting. I gotta go. You brought it up,
you can keep it up. I'm gonna keep it up.
That's what I do.
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