February 27, 2025 • 35 mins
ICYMI: Hour Two of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – ‘Wellness Wednesday’ with wife, mother, fitness expert, masterful storyteller & regular guest contributor Claudine Cooper AKA “The Nice Exercise Lady” weighing in on all the ways that exercise helps colon cancer survivors live longer…PLUS – Thoughts on a new California Bill that would restrict the use of “self-defense” against crime - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's well on this Wednesday on Later with Mo Kelly,
We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app Earlier in the show,
when I was previewing this segment with Claudine Cooper, we
were talking about getting a colonoscopy, very important for men especially,
and I was having some fun with Mark Ronner. But
I had come across this article earlier today saying that
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exercise specifically helps colon cancer survivors live longer.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Off the top of my head, Claudine, first, good evening.
Off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I can assume that exercise usually is recommended for all
sorts of people, for any sorts of reasons, But when
I think about colon cancer survivors, it makes it seem
just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Different, if only because.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We're inclined to believe that after surgery you probably would
be less inclined to exercise, to do less to slowly recuperate.
But they're basically saying no, no, no, no, start moving.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Body of your body.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
It's great to be here as always, Mo, but I
do feel like physical activity is one of the ways
that we can heal our bodies. And I've never had
colon cancer, although I do know people who have, and
I do feel like their healing journey can be helped
by exercise as one of the modalities of healing. And
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it's it's a lot of things. It's what we eat,
it's how much sleep we're getting, it's how much movement
we're getting. That's going to improve our healing time over
anything like just use pregnancy as an example. As you know,
I had three children back to back five years. I
knocked it out and was done right. You talk about
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it like you were adding onto your house or something.
I mean, it was a mission. It was a real mission.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I had to.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I had to.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But what I'm saying is, even after childbirth, they say, listen,
give your body about four to six weeks to rest
after you've delivered a baby naturally. And I've maybe lasted
two weeks without some kind of movement. And I will
tell you that I believe moving is what helped me
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heal faster.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Going back to the story.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
In these trials, nearly twenty nine hundred participants reported their
levels of physical activity, which researchers translated into metabolic equivalents
or met hours per week. Results showed that participants who
got eighteen or more met hours of exercise per week
had an overall three year survival rate three percent higher
than the general population.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
And they're saying general population, they're not saying of people
who have beat can answer right. They're saying, these are
people who are living longer than even a per person
who's never had cancer.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So win in doubt, keep on moving.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Well, I'm always going to say that you know that, mo.
I really feel strongly that if you move before the diagnosis,
you move throughout your process of healing from whatever cancer
or chronic illness. I do feel like your healing journey
on the back end is going to be shorter in
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time and you may have more life. But I'm not God,
so I can't really say who's going to have more life?
But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Look, I always have said controlled that which you can control,
and if you can move, then move your body because
that much you can control.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, here's the question. If we can control it, then
why are more people moving?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Because this is just me.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, I think people take that movement for granted. I
think that people are inclined to believe that it will
always be there for them if and when they need
it or want it, and it can be taken away
immediately or also as we age, we overestimate how much
movement ability we have and don't use it effectively consistently
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to get the most benefit from it.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
When was the last time?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Some people I talked to my friends, I just asked,
when's the last time you ran anywhere?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well, they said, nobody stole something from me? So what
would I be running from? Right?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
No, I say that in jest obviously, But as we
get older, we walk more and we run less. You
don't really want to potentially injure yourself as you start
to get older, so you want to be very measured
in your movement. What can I do?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
What is safe?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
And what will I not pull a hamstring on?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
But there is something to be said for intentionality. And
you may not be running, but there is such a
thing as exerting oneself moving to at least push your
body in a cardio sense.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
To what your article was saying, eighteen met hours, that
doesn't mean it was eighteen It doesn't translate to eighteen
hours of movement in fact, it's not until you've hit
a certain metabolic rate that they start to calculate those hours,
which means the people who are living three percent longer
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than the average people are not just colon cancer survivors.
They're coaling cancer athletes because they're moving their body to
hit this metabolic rate. What does that entail. They're probably
doing some kind of high intensity activity. Could be running,
could be any kind of high intensity interval training. But
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I did want to get back to what you were
saying about taking it for granted that you can move. So,
you know, I teach fitness classes throughout the week all
over LA, but mainly at Iconics Fitness in Inglewood. So
I taught a six thirty pm strength training class last
week and a guy rolls in in his wheelchair, and
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I want to tell you he inspired everyone in that
room to push harder, to lift more, to work at
their movement because they looked at him and he was pushing,
inspiring all of us. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I was going to ask you, are you ever surprised anymore?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But I wouldn't say that's surprised, but maybe that's just
inspired and encouraged.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Oh he's not my first person who came in in
a chair. So this has been happening probably for the
last twenty years. I've had I alter the workout to
meet them where they are and also meet the people
who also can do both upper and lower bodywork.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I started the show tonight talking about the wonder of
living in southern California and talking about things we take
for granted. We kind of take the weather for granted,
and I was saying, it was like seventy five degrees
out today, It's going to be eighty degrees tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
There's no other place I would rather live.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I understand why it's so expensive to live here, because
the weather alone makes it worth putting up with a
lot of other stuff we normally wouldn't because of that weather.
I say all that to say, does that now shift
What is happening in the gyms now that it's getting warmer.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
It's been pretty crowded. Still.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Is this like getting their summer bodies ready or something?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know, I'm just gonna say, I'm fingers crossed hoping
that the people who committed their life to fitness this
year in twenty twenty five at the new year, are
still going strong mo so.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They haven't you haven't had the precipitous fall off.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I haven't had the fall off this year.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Really, Nope, let's talk more about that when we come back. Okay,
I'm joined in the studio by Claudine Cooper. Go to
Claudinecooper dot com right now during the break so you
can find out more about this.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Legendary fitness personality. I'm just putting out there claiming it
for you.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
She's usually with us here every single week, and we
love having her, and I don't know how much longer
we'll have her.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
She's turning into a star row no, it turns a star.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So we're going to see how long we can keep
her around here. It's Later with both Kelly Word Word.
We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And Claudine Cooper. You can see more at Claudinecooper dot com.
She continues to join me in the studio, and I'm
not going to publicize another radio station, but I will
say that the growth of your community workouts, your free
community workouts, is now extending beyond KFI and the community
at large is taking notice. I think you should be
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proud of what you have been doing and be aware
that your reach has been growing.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And I'm happy for you and proud of you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now that the free community workouts are back as of
this weekend, what should people expect.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Well, it's the same as it always has been. It's
nine am on Saturdays. It's in the Hollywood Park retail district,
which is adjacent to Sofi Stadium. It's an outdoor workout.
There's no equipment needed, no RSVP needed. It's literally just
pull up, move your body, meet some really cool people
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and go to the farmer's market afterwards.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I don't know, well you forgot You better be ready
to work out because you want to put them through
their paces.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I will, but you know, I don't want to scare people.
I want people to know that I will give them
a workout that can be done at home or anywhere
for that matter, a body weight workout. But when people say, oh,
she's going to put you through a workout, you know
that becomes a little barrier. People. I'm not ready yet.
I need to think. I need to start somewhere and
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do some walking first. But the truth is you could
come and you would be welcomed and you could move
at your own pace.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, it your own pace. But for those who think
that they can keep up with the.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Pace mode, claud your okay, just tell on yourself there
doing sprints and everything else. No, mo, you you did great.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Look, I realized I had to slow down at the
very beginning because I was spending too much energy.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Early on, I said, I know, we got another forty
five minutes to go.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Came out the gate just yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Now it's when you started doing those like deep knee
bins and you know, yeah, we definitely yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
We do our stretches, we do our squads. We you know,
we stay upright, so nobody needs a mat. It's not
like we're going down on the floor.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
But I do.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I do feel like the community has been craving this,
and not just because they want an outdoor workout option,
but there is so much positivity exchanged in these workouts,
and right now, I just feel like people need it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I appreciate any outdoor workout I think it is. It's
much more enjoyable. I love the outdoor air. But I
know that there might be a possibility of rain this weekend.
That's what I'm hearing. How does that impact you? What
is is it an alternate location if it's raining, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
We figure it out like it's one of those things
where we just say rain or shine and then you
know what usually happens is that for some reason, and
I'm not going to say that, you know, there's a
divine order in place, but it just stops raining for
one hour so we.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Could do our workout, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I remember the last time I came to your workout,
you gave us a tour of the surrounding areas, surrounding
businesses which are had just opened or on the way
to being open. And I saw a picture of you
one night, you and your husband at Cosm. Yes, and
that has been receiving a lot of attention. And I'm
going to just take us off the beaten path for
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a moment. What was your review of Cosmic? If you
don't know, it is an entertainment facility, an immersive experience
where you can watch sporting events. Since we're talking about
moving our body, we could watch sporting events and it
makes you feel like you're right there.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Well, you know that's right across the street from my job,
So it's it's on topics still, you know. We The
first time I went, I didn't go with my husband.
I had to go survey the scene, you know, so
I could report back and bring in with me the
next time. But I walked from work and I just
went over there to see what was going on. And
it was when it had initially opened, and they were
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saying that they were holding a documentary on the immersive theater.
So I said, oh, great, can can we just come in?
And they're like, well, no, it's a ticketed event, and
you know, and then a couple of my girlfriends were
going to meet me and they said, actually, you guys
can come in. I don't know, you know, we just
got to watch the documentary in the immersive theater on
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the first week they open. Not really sure how that
happened for us, but I'm happy it did.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
He talked to you Allia.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So it was so interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Mo.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
We were immersed in this documentary about underwater life by
Nancy Cahill I believe is the artist's name, and it
was so incredible. You felt like you were deep sea diving.
But I do got to tell you one thing. I
am a person who gets motion sickness. So you're so
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deep into it that if you have any kind of
vertigo or any disruption in your equilibrium, it's not for you.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I had to take a stat So you're not one
to go on a cruise.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Huh No, I'm not one to go on a cruise.
No boats, no long rides. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah. I hear all these great things about cosm, and
I see all the great things about how that particular
entertainment district has been grown by leaps and bounds, saying
nothing of the endto a dome, saying nothing of so
far which was already there, just everything around it.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
And now there's this thing called the cine Vita, which
is a temporary installment where they're doing a full performance
of pulp fiction. And it's just like a play with
music and actors, and they're putting it on as you
eat dinner.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So how do they do the ballgag scene?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I didn't go see that. I'll report back.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I just wanted to know. I mean, are they are they?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Are they reciting execue excuse me, Ezekiel twenty five to
forty cent?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
They are?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I just wonder, you know who's doing Sam Jackson's part?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Well, we would have to go check it out first
and then see if it mirrors the movie.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Very quickly, I know someone has been incentivized and inspired
to come work out with you for your free community
workout this Saturday at nine a m.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
How can they go about doing that?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
All they have to do is go to the Hollywood
Park Retail District, enter into the parking garage on ninety
seventh and Prairie, get a ticket. We validate the ticket
for two point five hours, and there's also a farmer's
market adjacent. So you have a workout, you have a
farmer's market, you have free parking. What else do you need?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Fifty five other people to work out with?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And that's about how many? Maybe maybe more, maybe more
it's the first time out. Yeah, so we'll see Clauding.
It's always great to see you very quickly. How can
people find you other than Claudincooper dot com. Well, I
do participate in social media. I just kind of been
keeping up with my threads account, but I'm on Instagram
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and threads, TikTok and Facebook, so I'd love to connect.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Clauding is always great to see you. Hopefully we get
to see you next week. Depending on your very very
busy schedule.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I plan to be here.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You teach forty five fifty seven classes.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It it feels like it, But hopefully I'm going to
dial back the teaching because it's hard on my body
at this age.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
No, I don't know, because I'm much younger than you.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That's a good joke, real funny.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Hey, hey, waitte, you don't need to turn onto your
microphone to laugh, all right, you don't need to pile on.
It reminds me of you and your basketball. Referring this weekend, Yes,
it was a lot. I did too much this weekend,
way too much. Body was hurting, Oh, it was hurting.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I was standing up.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I turned my desk into a standing desk where I
lifted up the monitor and I put the keyboard on
the top of a box of copy paper so I
could stand up because my hips were hurting too much.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I didn't want to sit down. Oh yeah, I thought
he was joking and yeah serious, I was like, how
is his computer? Oh the box is there?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, before we go, let's just say this, anyone who's
experiencing discomforter pain, sitting down tends to exacerbate that pain.
That's why Moe was standing, and.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That's why I have a standing desk at home now.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Better for your body.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Absolutely, we'll see you soon.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I've been practicing martial arts for the better part of
I want to say, maybe thirty How old am I now?
So about thirty seven years, okay, And part of what
I've been taught, what I teach to my students is
use of force, reasonable use of force in self defense.
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It's not like because someone tries to punch you, you're
allowed to kill them, or if someone attacks you, you're
allowed to break every bone in their body. If you
get the opportunity, you have to use a reasonable force.
It's an ongoing conversation and more times so not. We
tell them do what you need to do to stop
the threat and then get yourself to safety, just as simple.
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But now the law is getting so complicated, not only
for law enforcement, but also for regular citizens like you
and me. If you're trying to protect yourself, if you're
trying to protect your property, your car, your house. There
is this new bill which has been created by Assemblyman
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Rick Zeber. I think how he pronounces his name is
zbu Are. He's a Democrat representing Los Angeles. He might
be listening right now. And this Assembly Bill thirteen thirty
three would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide would be
considered justifiable, including in defense of a habitation, house, or property.
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The bill supposedly would additionally clarify circumstances in which homicide
is not justifiable, including, among others, when a person uses
more force than necessary to defend against the danger. I'm
gonna let you know right now, the bill is written
so poorly and so unclear in its expression, is going
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to confuse you. Just know it's the bill, It's not me.
According to this bill, and I'll be quoting it, homicide
would not be justified, be clear, would not be justified
when Number one, when the person was outside their residence
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and knew that using force likely to cause death or
great bodily injury could have been avoided with complete safety
by retreating. But another way I interpret that is, look,
you knew that shooting that gun was likely going to
kill someone when all you had to do was get away.
Let me just paraphrase it.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
That way.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Number two, when the person used more force than was
reasonably necessary to defend against a danger. We all understand
that it wasn't necessary to kill the person to defend
yourself or defend someone else.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Number three. Again, this is homicide.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Would not be justified when when the person was the assailant,
engaged in mutual combat or knowingly engaged in conduct reasonably
likely to provoke a person to commit a felony or
do some great bodily injury, except if either of the
following circumstances apply. I have no idea what the hell
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that was, okay, but here are the following circumstances. A.
The person reasonably believed that they were in imminent danger
of death or great bodily injury, and had exhausted every
reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use
of force likely to cause death or great bodily injury,
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or be in good faith. The person withdrew from the
encounter with the other assailant or assailants and indicated clearly
to the other assailant or assailants that the person desired
to withdraw and terminated the use of any force. But
the other assailant or assailants continued or resumed the use
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of force. I have no idea what that know exactly
what that one means. We actually saw a video of
that recently. It was the one of the recent Sofi
stadium fights. There was an individual who had was getting
into it with two different people and one of their girlfriends.
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He was clearly trying to tell them I don't want
any trouble.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
The girl ran up on him. He quickly closelined her
and flipped her down. He knew a little something put
her down. Of course, her guy came punched him. He
knocked him out. He got punched, knocked one of the
assailants out, and still said, hey, I'm walking away from this,
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and he started to walk away when the third person
in that party came up and hit him from behind,
at which point he turned around and proceeded or proceeded
to whoop his behind as well.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He was in the right.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
He tried to stop it. The girlfriend aggressed, he put
her down. No, but let's just talk about homicide. Yes,
if he would have killed one of them, he would
be clear, because he told them, from what you could see,
I don't want to do this. They persisted. Even after persisting,
he still was clear, I want to break this off.
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If he would have turned around drop kicked that third
person and they would have say, fallen broken their neck,
he would be clear.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Because he was saying I don't want to fight. That
was clear to me.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, A lawyer t I hope you're right, but it's
not clear to me. It just the wording of it
is so complicated and confusing. When you talk about the
use of force. I don't know depending on what he
might have done. Let's say he fights that third person
in your scenario and he knocks him out, and he
keeps going because he's angry. Hypothetical because the third person
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has tried to attack me. I told you your dubass
to leave me alone. He's just pounding and pounding and pounding,
and then eventually the guy dies. I didn't read it
as you could keep pounding.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I read it as if you make it clear that
you don't want to be a part of any fisticuffs,
and fisticuffs happen and you still and after that you say, hey,
you know what I'm trying to tell you, I don't
want to do this. You walk away. If they walk
up on you and you turn and say you know
what I was being cool. Now I'm gonna have to
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go into my trick bag of deathly skills and I'm
going to do something. And once you do it, if
that person falls and is rendered unlive, if you hit
this person in a manner in there, say you know,
palm strike to their nose and it pierces their.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Brain, they're unalive.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You try to say, hey, I can unlive you. I
don't want to, Please leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
The fact that we're having this conversation trying to sort
this out is part of the pushback against the bill,
where those on the opposite end of the issue are saying, look,
if you're in a situation like that, the last thing
you want to do is have to second guess where
the line is. It should be completely clear in a
situation like that where you're not thinking like, well, well
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I go to jail for this for manslaughter when I'm
just defending myself if someone breaks into my house, to
have to think about, you know how far I can
take it. All I know is this man is in
my house. He is obviously a threat to me and
my family. I'm shooting him. And for many this law
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makes it unclear as to whether that would be a
justifiable use of force. In other words, it's definitely not
Castle doctrine. It is definitely not that. And that's the
concern about whether this law is actually making people more
or less safe because it's poorly written.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Number one and two.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It puts, I'm just paraphrasing, an undue burden on the
person being assaulted to sort out what may happen legally
at the expense of their own safety.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
As a lifelong martial artist, what is your read on
the why this law would even need to be written.
It's like self defense, be it through martial arts, be
it through in California, especially where we love our guns.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Why is this even coming into play? I don't know.
I can't, I don't don't.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't try to get in the head of politicians
and why they put certain bills and put them forth.
But what I tell my students is, if you feel
that you should have to defend yourself, you do everything
in your power to remain safe and put that person down,
and you worry about the law later because the law
ain't going to protect you in that moment. You have
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to protect yourself, and if you really feel that you
are in imminent physical danger that you do whatever needs
to be done, and you work out all that other
stuff out on the other side. But if you are
a person of the mind that you're not seeking conflict,
you most likely won't have to be in that situation
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where you have to wonder. If you're always the person
who is not trying to escalate, who is not trying
to create a situation, more times than not, you'll be Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I've never started a fight.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
A bunch of fights have come to me, so whenever
I have had to use it, I just would It's
just gonna happen, and it's not something that I'm asking for.
And I'm usually the persons like, you know, hey, let's
not do this. And maybe people take that as me
being afraid, or you know, I'm a mark or something
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like that, because I'm the one who's usually backing away,
not out of fear. I'm trying to create space, which
I think is getting ready to happen. And look, there
are times when I've been in fights where it just
happened all of a sudden, you get jumped.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You've been jumped. You know what that's like. You didn't
ask for what all of a sudden. You're just in
a situation.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm not thinking about, well, what if I go too
far and really hurt someone, I might get sued.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
My time to think about that was before the fight. Mark.
That was not mentioning your name as a.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Reason to be afraid of something. If you call someone
a Mark, that's just something we grew up with. Ye
out of Mark, It's like, yeah, Mark, that's just what.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We used to say. Yeah, I'm sorry. Mark is also
the target.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
No, I've been waiting for somebody to pick up on
that my whole life, and you finally did.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Thank you. So yeah, I don't see any purpose in
this bill. I just think it complicates things.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And obviously, yes, if if someone is breaking into your
car outside your house, I think the law is pretty
clear you can't just go out and shoot them.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
But isn't it self defense and awfully inexact science At
the same time, you know, a reasonable person can tell
like the Bernie Gets thing where he goes over the
line and says, oh, you don't look so bad. Here
have another It's a thing that most reasonable people can
agree on when they see it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, And that's pretty much has already been written into
the law as far as reasonable use of self defense
or excuse me force, and it has to be proportionate
to the threat. If you shot the first two and
the third one is running away, you're obviously not in danger.
If you're shooting someone who is trying to break into
your car, you yourself, you're not in imminent danger. Let's
say you're in the house and you see someone breaking
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in your car. Run if you can, and you can't,
and if you can't, be decisive. That's what we tell
our students all the time, all the time, because you
may run into someone like Mark Runner. Heaven forbid. KFIM
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Speaker 1 (29:11):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2 (29:17):
I think we need to spend a little more time
on this. This self Defense against Crime bill raised by
Assemblyman Rick Zeber of LA and it's received a lot
of pushback and backlash. I wouldn't say it deserves backlash,
but it does deserve pushback. Not only is it convoluted
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and I think misguided on a certain level. It makes
it more difficult for people to.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Know how and when to use.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
The commencement amount of force in a given situation, and
not worry about whether there are going to be circumstances
in which you're going to go to jail.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Now, for me, it is pretty cutt in my head.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
If I'm not an imminent fear or danger possible death,
then I'm not trying to think in terms of homicide.
I'm not trying to think of someone trying to kill
someone unless I think that that's on the table. For me,
I'm not going there. But I'm also a man, and
I may not look at this in the same way
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as a woman. So let me bring in Tiffany Hobbs,
who's here for the vile load. No, but I mean
you may have a different viewpoint. Sure, sure you've heard
about this bill. Where do you come out on it?
I have?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
You know, I think that the bill is rooted in
good intention. I think that Zebra understands how exploit it.
The original castle doctrine has become with people invoking it
to essentially get off of cases or get out of
charges in which they were the aggressor and they were
able to plead self defense using that subjective term very
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ambiguous to get in California, and we're able to get
away from life sentences or harsh sentences. And so I
think Zieber not. I think Zieber has said specifically and
explicitly that this bill was authored by him with Kyle
Rittenhouse in mind. And Kyle Rittenhouse a few years ago
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is the young man who shot and killed three protesters
in Wisconsin citing self defense. These protesters, he said, were aggressive,
and he was able to get cleared of all charges.
And so Zieber says that this should stop people like
Kyle Rittenhouse and other people who do again invoke self
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defense to mask their aggression and their own violence. So
the intention is good. I can also understand how this
puts people in a very big predicament. I would want
to defend my home by any means necessary if someone
comes in, and I was expecting to do that.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I still am.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I am a registered firearm owner.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
I went through the training specifically so that I could
protect myself and my home should someone come in. But
now this makes that a lot more difficult. So there
are two sides to this coin and the ambiguity and
the gray area is too significant to ignore.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Where do you think this goes?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Because there's enough pushback where there might even be Democrats
whould vote against it.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
I don't think it's going to go far. You have
Chad Bianco who's spoken out against it. You have other
notable and local politicians and leaders of organizations for gun
rights and gun safety who have spoken out against it.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
You do have factions that are pro this bill.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
But it seems that the naysayers and the skeptics are
growing in nature. And I again, I can understand why
when crime continues to be a significant issue in the
County of Los Angeles.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Real quick, I think that all that does because I
believe all that is true. I think this just forces
this bill to go back to the drawing board, because
we saw the initial bill that was going to take
away red dye and this, that and the other in
the foods. We saw that pitch several times before the
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writing ident was to the point where it was undeniable
and had to be passed. I think that this is
the first step. But yeah, if this is gonna keep
individuals like Ralph Yarl from getting shot through a screen
door by going and knocking looking for his siblings, or
the other young lady who was shouting through the screen
door who was looking for help, if this prevents those things,
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then yeah, on the surface, I can see if he
can get to that point where it's making it real
clear this bill is to prevent stupid self defense defenses
like that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Then we're gonna we may get some.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Traction and it may just be defining more clearly what
imminent danger is defining clearly where quote unquote, And I
know I'm not a lawyer. I'm just saying where the
castle doctrine begins and ends? Does it include what's happening
in your backyard? Someone's hoped the fence in your backyard?
Is that a part of your house? You know someone
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is stealing your car and it's in your car port,
but it may not be in an attached garage? Is
that considered your house and castle doctrine? Those are the
questions that I would have when am I allowed to
use lethal force? And when am I then just committing homicide?
Two different things, And it's ongoing debate and will continue
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's well on this Wednesday on Later with Mo Kelly,
We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app Earlier in the show,
when I was previewing this segment with Claudine Cooper, we
were talking about getting a colonoscopy, very important for men especially,
and I was having some fun with Mark Ronner. But
I had come across this article earlier today saying that
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exercise specifically helps colon cancer survivors live longer.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Off the top of my head, Claudine, first, good evening.
Off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I can assume that exercise usually is recommended for all
sorts of people, for any sorts of reasons, But when
I think about colon cancer survivors, it makes it seem
just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Different, if only because.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We're inclined to believe that after surgery you probably would
be less inclined to exercise, to do less to slowly recuperate.
But they're basically saying no, no, no, no, start moving.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Body of your body.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
It's great to be here as always, Mo, but I
do feel like physical activity is one of the ways
that we can heal our bodies. And I've never had
colon cancer, although I do know people who have, and
I do feel like their healing journey can be helped
by exercise as one of the modalities of healing. And
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it's it's a lot of things. It's what we eat,
it's how much sleep we're getting, it's how much movement
we're getting. That's going to improve our healing time over
anything like just use pregnancy as an example. As you know,
I had three children back to back five years. I
knocked it out and was done right. You talk about
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it like you were adding onto your house or something.
I mean, it was a mission. It was a real mission.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I had to.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I had to.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But what I'm saying is, even after childbirth, they say, listen,
give your body about four to six weeks to rest
after you've delivered a baby naturally. And I've maybe lasted
two weeks without some kind of movement. And I will
tell you that I believe moving is what helped me
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heal faster.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Going back to the story.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
In these trials, nearly twenty nine hundred participants reported their
levels of physical activity, which researchers translated into metabolic equivalents
or met hours per week. Results showed that participants who
got eighteen or more met hours of exercise per week
had an overall three year survival rate three percent higher
than the general population.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
And they're saying general population, they're not saying of people
who have beat can answer right. They're saying, these are
people who are living longer than even a per person
who's never had cancer.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So win in doubt, keep on moving.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Well, I'm always going to say that you know that, mo.
I really feel strongly that if you move before the diagnosis,
you move throughout your process of healing from whatever cancer
or chronic illness. I do feel like your healing journey
on the back end is going to be shorter in
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time and you may have more life. But I'm not God,
so I can't really say who's going to have more life?
But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Look, I always have said controlled that which you can control,
and if you can move, then move your body because
that much you can control.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, here's the question. If we can control it, then
why are more people moving?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Because this is just me.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, I think people take that movement for granted. I
think that people are inclined to believe that it will
always be there for them if and when they need
it or want it, and it can be taken away
immediately or also as we age, we overestimate how much
movement ability we have and don't use it effectively consistently
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to get the most benefit from it.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
When was the last time?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Some people I talked to my friends, I just asked,
when's the last time you ran anywhere?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well, they said, nobody stole something from me? So what
would I be running from? Right?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
No, I say that in jest obviously, But as we
get older, we walk more and we run less. You
don't really want to potentially injure yourself as you start
to get older, so you want to be very measured
in your movement. What can I do?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
What is safe?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
And what will I not pull a hamstring on?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
But there is something to be said for intentionality. And
you may not be running, but there is such a
thing as exerting oneself moving to at least push your
body in a cardio sense.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
To what your article was saying, eighteen met hours, that
doesn't mean it was eighteen It doesn't translate to eighteen
hours of movement in fact, it's not until you've hit
a certain metabolic rate that they start to calculate those hours,
which means the people who are living three percent longer
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than the average people are not just colon cancer survivors.
They're coaling cancer athletes because they're moving their body to
hit this metabolic rate. What does that entail. They're probably
doing some kind of high intensity activity. Could be running,
could be any kind of high intensity interval training. But
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I did want to get back to what you were
saying about taking it for granted that you can move. So,
you know, I teach fitness classes throughout the week all
over LA, but mainly at Iconics Fitness in Inglewood. So
I taught a six thirty pm strength training class last
week and a guy rolls in in his wheelchair, and
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I want to tell you he inspired everyone in that
room to push harder, to lift more, to work at
their movement because they looked at him and he was pushing,
inspiring all of us. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I was going to ask you, are you ever surprised anymore?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But I wouldn't say that's surprised, but maybe that's just
inspired and encouraged.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Oh he's not my first person who came in in
a chair. So this has been happening probably for the
last twenty years. I've had I alter the workout to
meet them where they are and also meet the people
who also can do both upper and lower bodywork.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I started the show tonight talking about the wonder of
living in southern California and talking about things we take
for granted. We kind of take the weather for granted,
and I was saying, it was like seventy five degrees
out today, It's going to be eighty degrees tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
There's no other place I would rather live.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I understand why it's so expensive to live here, because
the weather alone makes it worth putting up with a
lot of other stuff we normally wouldn't because of that weather.
I say all that to say, does that now shift
What is happening in the gyms now that it's getting warmer.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
It's been pretty crowded. Still.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Is this like getting their summer bodies ready or something?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know, I'm just gonna say, I'm fingers crossed hoping
that the people who committed their life to fitness this
year in twenty twenty five at the new year, are
still going strong mo so.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They haven't you haven't had the precipitous fall off.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I haven't had the fall off this year.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Really, Nope, let's talk more about that when we come back. Okay,
I'm joined in the studio by Claudine Cooper. Go to
Claudinecooper dot com right now during the break so you
can find out more about this.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Legendary fitness personality. I'm just putting out there claiming it
for you.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
She's usually with us here every single week, and we
love having her, and I don't know how much longer
we'll have her.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
She's turning into a star row no, it turns a star.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So we're going to see how long we can keep
her around here. It's Later with both Kelly Word Word.
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Speaker 1 (08:17):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And Claudine Cooper. You can see more at Claudinecooper dot com.
She continues to join me in the studio, and I'm
not going to publicize another radio station, but I will
say that the growth of your community workouts, your free
community workouts, is now extending beyond KFI and the community
at large is taking notice. I think you should be
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proud of what you have been doing and be aware
that your reach has been growing.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And I'm happy for you and proud of you.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now that the free community workouts are back as of
this weekend, what should people expect.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Well, it's the same as it always has been. It's
nine am on Saturdays. It's in the Hollywood Park retail district,
which is adjacent to Sofi Stadium. It's an outdoor workout.
There's no equipment needed, no RSVP needed. It's literally just
pull up, move your body, meet some really cool people
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and go to the farmer's market afterwards.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I don't know, well you forgot You better be ready
to work out because you want to put them through
their paces.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I will, but you know, I don't want to scare people.
I want people to know that I will give them
a workout that can be done at home or anywhere
for that matter, a body weight workout. But when people say, oh,
she's going to put you through a workout, you know
that becomes a little barrier. People. I'm not ready yet.
I need to think. I need to start somewhere and
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do some walking first. But the truth is you could
come and you would be welcomed and you could move
at your own pace.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, it your own pace. But for those who think
that they can keep up with the.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Pace mode, claud your okay, just tell on yourself there
doing sprints and everything else. No, mo, you you did great.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Look, I realized I had to slow down at the
very beginning because I was spending too much energy.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Early on, I said, I know, we got another forty
five minutes to go.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Came out the gate just yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Now it's when you started doing those like deep knee
bins and you know, yeah, we definitely yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
We do our stretches, we do our squads. We you know,
we stay upright, so nobody needs a mat. It's not
like we're going down on the floor.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
But I do.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I do feel like the community has been craving this,
and not just because they want an outdoor workout option,
but there is so much positivity exchanged in these workouts,
and right now, I just feel like people need it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I appreciate any outdoor workout I think it is. It's
much more enjoyable. I love the outdoor air. But I
know that there might be a possibility of rain this weekend.
That's what I'm hearing. How does that impact you? What
is is it an alternate location if it's raining, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
We figure it out like it's one of those things
where we just say rain or shine and then you
know what usually happens is that for some reason, and
I'm not going to say that, you know, there's a
divine order in place, but it just stops raining for
one hour so we.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Could do our workout, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I remember the last time I came to your workout,
you gave us a tour of the surrounding areas, surrounding
businesses which are had just opened or on the way
to being open. And I saw a picture of you
one night, you and your husband at Cosm. Yes, and
that has been receiving a lot of attention. And I'm
going to just take us off the beaten path for
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a moment. What was your review of Cosmic? If you
don't know, it is an entertainment facility, an immersive experience
where you can watch sporting events. Since we're talking about
moving our body, we could watch sporting events and it
makes you feel like you're right there.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Well, you know that's right across the street from my job,
So it's it's on topics still, you know. We The
first time I went, I didn't go with my husband.
I had to go survey the scene, you know, so
I could report back and bring in with me the
next time. But I walked from work and I just
went over there to see what was going on. And
it was when it had initially opened, and they were
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saying that they were holding a documentary on the immersive theater.
So I said, oh, great, can can we just come in?
And they're like, well, no, it's a ticketed event, and
you know, and then a couple of my girlfriends were
going to meet me and they said, actually, you guys
can come in. I don't know, you know, we just
got to watch the documentary in the immersive theater on
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the first week they open. Not really sure how that
happened for us, but I'm happy it did.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
He talked to you Allia.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So it was so interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Mo.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
We were immersed in this documentary about underwater life by
Nancy Cahill I believe is the artist's name, and it
was so incredible. You felt like you were deep sea diving.
But I do got to tell you one thing. I
am a person who gets motion sickness. So you're so
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deep into it that if you have any kind of
vertigo or any disruption in your equilibrium, it's not for you.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I had to take a stat So you're not one
to go on a cruise.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Huh No, I'm not one to go on a cruise.
No boats, no long rides. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah. I hear all these great things about cosm, and
I see all the great things about how that particular
entertainment district has been grown by leaps and bounds, saying
nothing of the endto a dome, saying nothing of so
far which was already there, just everything around it.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
And now there's this thing called the cine Vita, which
is a temporary installment where they're doing a full performance
of pulp fiction. And it's just like a play with
music and actors, and they're putting it on as you
eat dinner.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
So how do they do the ballgag scene?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I didn't go see that. I'll report back.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I just wanted to know. I mean, are they are they?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Are they reciting execue excuse me, Ezekiel twenty five to
forty cent?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
They are?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Now?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I just wonder, you know who's doing Sam Jackson's part?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Well, we would have to go check it out first
and then see if it mirrors the movie.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Very quickly, I know someone has been incentivized and inspired
to come work out with you for your free community
workout this Saturday at nine a m.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
How can they go about doing that?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
All they have to do is go to the Hollywood
Park Retail District, enter into the parking garage on ninety
seventh and Prairie, get a ticket. We validate the ticket
for two point five hours, and there's also a farmer's
market adjacent. So you have a workout, you have a
farmer's market, you have free parking. What else do you need?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Fifty five other people to work out with?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And that's about how many? Maybe maybe more, maybe more
it's the first time out. Yeah, so we'll see Clauding.
It's always great to see you very quickly. How can
people find you other than Claudincooper dot com. Well, I
do participate in social media. I just kind of been
keeping up with my threads account, but I'm on Instagram
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and threads, TikTok and Facebook, so I'd love to connect.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Clauding is always great to see you. Hopefully we get
to see you next week. Depending on your very very
busy schedule.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I plan to be here.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You teach forty five fifty seven classes.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It it feels like it, But hopefully I'm going to
dial back the teaching because it's hard on my body
at this age.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
No, I don't know, because I'm much younger than you.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That's a good joke, real funny.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Hey, hey, waitte, you don't need to turn onto your
microphone to laugh, all right, you don't need to pile on.
It reminds me of you and your basketball. Referring this weekend, Yes,
it was a lot. I did too much this weekend,
way too much. Body was hurting, Oh, it was hurting.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I was standing up.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I turned my desk into a standing desk where I
lifted up the monitor and I put the keyboard on
the top of a box of copy paper so I
could stand up because my hips were hurting too much.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I didn't want to sit down. Oh yeah, I thought
he was joking and yeah serious, I was like, how
is his computer? Oh the box is there?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, before we go, let's just say this, anyone who's
experiencing discomforter pain, sitting down tends to exacerbate that pain.
That's why Moe was standing, and.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That's why I have a standing desk at home now.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Better for your body.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Absolutely, we'll see you soon.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I've been practicing martial arts for the better part of
I want to say, maybe thirty How old am I now?
So about thirty seven years, okay, And part of what
I've been taught, what I teach to my students is
use of force, reasonable use of force in self defense.
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It's not like because someone tries to punch you, you're
allowed to kill them, or if someone attacks you, you're
allowed to break every bone in their body. If you
get the opportunity, you have to use a reasonable force.
It's an ongoing conversation and more times so not. We
tell them do what you need to do to stop
the threat and then get yourself to safety, just as simple.
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But now the law is getting so complicated, not only
for law enforcement, but also for regular citizens like you
and me. If you're trying to protect yourself, if you're
trying to protect your property, your car, your house. There
is this new bill which has been created by Assemblyman
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Rick Zeber. I think how he pronounces his name is
zbu Are. He's a Democrat representing Los Angeles. He might
be listening right now. And this Assembly Bill thirteen thirty
three would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide would be
considered justifiable, including in defense of a habitation, house, or property.
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The bill supposedly would additionally clarify circumstances in which homicide
is not justifiable, including, among others, when a person uses
more force than necessary to defend against the danger. I'm
gonna let you know right now, the bill is written
so poorly and so unclear in its expression, is going
(19:16):
to confuse you. Just know it's the bill, It's not me.
According to this bill, and I'll be quoting it, homicide
would not be justified, be clear, would not be justified
when Number one, when the person was outside their residence
(19:38):
and knew that using force likely to cause death or
great bodily injury could have been avoided with complete safety
by retreating. But another way I interpret that is, look,
you knew that shooting that gun was likely going to
kill someone when all you had to do was get away.
Let me just paraphrase it.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
That way.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Number two, when the person used more force than was
reasonably necessary to defend against a danger. We all understand
that it wasn't necessary to kill the person to defend
yourself or defend someone else.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Number three. Again, this is homicide.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Would not be justified when when the person was the assailant,
engaged in mutual combat or knowingly engaged in conduct reasonably
likely to provoke a person to commit a felony or
do some great bodily injury, except if either of the
following circumstances apply. I have no idea what the hell
(20:41):
that was, okay, but here are the following circumstances. A.
The person reasonably believed that they were in imminent danger
of death or great bodily injury, and had exhausted every
reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use
of force likely to cause death or great bodily injury,
(21:02):
or be in good faith. The person withdrew from the
encounter with the other assailant or assailants and indicated clearly
to the other assailant or assailants that the person desired
to withdraw and terminated the use of any force. But
the other assailant or assailants continued or resumed the use
(21:22):
of force. I have no idea what that know exactly
what that one means. We actually saw a video of
that recently. It was the one of the recent Sofi
stadium fights. There was an individual who had was getting
into it with two different people and one of their girlfriends.
(21:45):
He was clearly trying to tell them I don't want
any trouble.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
The girl ran up on him. He quickly closelined her
and flipped her down. He knew a little something put
her down. Of course, her guy came punched him. He
knocked him out. He got punched, knocked one of the
assailants out, and still said, hey, I'm walking away from this,
(22:11):
and he started to walk away when the third person
in that party came up and hit him from behind,
at which point he turned around and proceeded or proceeded
to whoop his behind as well.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He was in the right.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
He tried to stop it. The girlfriend aggressed, he put
her down. No, but let's just talk about homicide. Yes,
if he would have killed one of them, he would
be clear, because he told them, from what you could see,
I don't want to do this. They persisted. Even after persisting,
he still was clear, I want to break this off.
(22:45):
If he would have turned around drop kicked that third
person and they would have say, fallen broken their neck,
he would be clear.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Because he was saying I don't want to fight. That
was clear to me.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, A lawyer t I hope you're right, but it's
not clear to me. It just the wording of it
is so complicated and confusing. When you talk about the
use of force. I don't know depending on what he
might have done. Let's say he fights that third person
in your scenario and he knocks him out, and he
keeps going because he's angry. Hypothetical because the third person
(23:19):
has tried to attack me. I told you your dubass
to leave me alone. He's just pounding and pounding and pounding,
and then eventually the guy dies. I didn't read it
as you could keep pounding.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
I read it as if you make it clear that
you don't want to be a part of any fisticuffs,
and fisticuffs happen and you still and after that you say, hey,
you know what I'm trying to tell you, I don't
want to do this. You walk away. If they walk
up on you and you turn and say you know
what I was being cool. Now I'm gonna have to
(23:52):
go into my trick bag of deathly skills and I'm
going to do something. And once you do it, if
that person falls and is rendered unlive, if you hit
this person in a manner in there, say you know,
palm strike to their nose and it pierces their.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Brain, they're unalive.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
You try to say, hey, I can unlive you. I
don't want to, Please leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
The fact that we're having this conversation trying to sort
this out is part of the pushback against the bill,
where those on the opposite end of the issue are saying, look,
if you're in a situation like that, the last thing
you want to do is have to second guess where
the line is. It should be completely clear in a
situation like that where you're not thinking like, well, well
(24:42):
I go to jail for this for manslaughter when I'm
just defending myself if someone breaks into my house, to
have to think about, you know how far I can
take it. All I know is this man is in
my house. He is obviously a threat to me and
my family. I'm shooting him. And for many this law
(25:02):
makes it unclear as to whether that would be a
justifiable use of force. In other words, it's definitely not
Castle doctrine. It is definitely not that. And that's the
concern about whether this law is actually making people more
or less safe because it's poorly written.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Number one and two.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It puts, I'm just paraphrasing, an undue burden on the
person being assaulted to sort out what may happen legally
at the expense of their own safety.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
As a lifelong martial artist, what is your read on
the why this law would even need to be written.
It's like self defense, be it through martial arts, be
it through in California, especially where we love our guns.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Why is this even coming into play? I don't know.
I can't, I don't don't.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't try to get in the head of politicians
and why they put certain bills and put them forth.
But what I tell my students is, if you feel
that you should have to defend yourself, you do everything
in your power to remain safe and put that person down,
and you worry about the law later because the law
ain't going to protect you in that moment. You have
(26:15):
to protect yourself, and if you really feel that you
are in imminent physical danger that you do whatever needs
to be done, and you work out all that other
stuff out on the other side. But if you are
a person of the mind that you're not seeking conflict,
you most likely won't have to be in that situation
(26:35):
where you have to wonder. If you're always the person
who is not trying to escalate, who is not trying
to create a situation, more times than not, you'll be Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I've never started a fight.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
A bunch of fights have come to me, so whenever
I have had to use it, I just would It's
just gonna happen, and it's not something that I'm asking for.
And I'm usually the persons like, you know, hey, let's
not do this. And maybe people take that as me
being afraid, or you know, I'm a mark or something
(27:11):
like that, because I'm the one who's usually backing away,
not out of fear. I'm trying to create space, which
I think is getting ready to happen. And look, there
are times when I've been in fights where it just
happened all of a sudden, you get jumped.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You've been jumped. You know what that's like. You didn't
ask for what all of a sudden. You're just in
a situation.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm not thinking about, well, what if I go too
far and really hurt someone, I might get sued.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
My time to think about that was before the fight. Mark.
That was not mentioning your name as a.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Reason to be afraid of something. If you call someone
a Mark, that's just something we grew up with. Ye
out of Mark, It's like, yeah, Mark, that's just what.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We used to say. Yeah, I'm sorry. Mark is also
the target.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
No, I've been waiting for somebody to pick up on
that my whole life, and you finally did.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Thank you. So yeah, I don't see any purpose in
this bill. I just think it complicates things.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And obviously, yes, if if someone is breaking into your
car outside your house, I think the law is pretty
clear you can't just go out and shoot them.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
But isn't it self defense and awfully inexact science At
the same time, you know, a reasonable person can tell
like the Bernie Gets thing where he goes over the
line and says, oh, you don't look so bad. Here
have another It's a thing that most reasonable people can
agree on when they see it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, And that's pretty much has already been written into
the law as far as reasonable use of self defense
or excuse me force, and it has to be proportionate
to the threat. If you shot the first two and
the third one is running away, you're obviously not in danger.
If you're shooting someone who is trying to break into
your car, you yourself, you're not in imminent danger. Let's
say you're in the house and you see someone breaking
(28:56):
in your car. Run if you can, and you can't,
and if you can't, be decisive. That's what we tell
our students all the time, all the time, because you
may run into someone like Mark Runner. Heaven forbid. KFIM
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Speaker 2 (29:17):
I think we need to spend a little more time
on this. This self Defense against Crime bill raised by
Assemblyman Rick Zeber of LA and it's received a lot
of pushback and backlash. I wouldn't say it deserves backlash,
but it does deserve pushback. Not only is it convoluted
(29:37):
and I think misguided on a certain level. It makes
it more difficult for people to.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Know how and when to use.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
The commencement amount of force in a given situation, and
not worry about whether there are going to be circumstances
in which you're going to go to jail.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Now, for me, it is pretty cutt in my head.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
If I'm not an imminent fear or danger possible death,
then I'm not trying to think in terms of homicide.
I'm not trying to think of someone trying to kill
someone unless I think that that's on the table. For me,
I'm not going there. But I'm also a man, and
I may not look at this in the same way
(30:21):
as a woman. So let me bring in Tiffany Hobbs,
who's here for the vile load. No, but I mean
you may have a different viewpoint. Sure, sure you've heard
about this bill. Where do you come out on it?
I have?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
You know, I think that the bill is rooted in
good intention. I think that Zebra understands how exploit it.
The original castle doctrine has become with people invoking it
to essentially get off of cases or get out of
charges in which they were the aggressor and they were
able to plead self defense using that subjective term very
(30:54):
ambiguous to get in California, and we're able to get
away from life sentences or harsh sentences. And so I
think Zieber not. I think Zieber has said specifically and
explicitly that this bill was authored by him with Kyle
Rittenhouse in mind. And Kyle Rittenhouse a few years ago
(31:16):
is the young man who shot and killed three protesters
in Wisconsin citing self defense. These protesters, he said, were aggressive,
and he was able to get cleared of all charges.
And so Zieber says that this should stop people like
Kyle Rittenhouse and other people who do again invoke self
(31:36):
defense to mask their aggression and their own violence. So
the intention is good. I can also understand how this
puts people in a very big predicament. I would want
to defend my home by any means necessary if someone
comes in, and I was expecting to do that.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
I still am.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I am a registered firearm owner.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
I went through the training specifically so that I could
protect myself and my home should someone come in. But
now this makes that a lot more difficult. So there
are two sides to this coin and the ambiguity and
the gray area is too significant to ignore.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Where do you think this goes?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Because there's enough pushback where there might even be Democrats
whould vote against it.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
I don't think it's going to go far. You have
Chad Bianco who's spoken out against it. You have other
notable and local politicians and leaders of organizations for gun
rights and gun safety who have spoken out against it.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
You do have factions that are pro this bill.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
But it seems that the naysayers and the skeptics are
growing in nature. And I again, I can understand why
when crime continues to be a significant issue in the
County of Los Angeles.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Real quick, I think that all that does because I
believe all that is true. I think this just forces
this bill to go back to the drawing board, because
we saw the initial bill that was going to take
away red dye and this, that and the other in
the foods. We saw that pitch several times before the
(33:23):
writing ident was to the point where it was undeniable
and had to be passed. I think that this is
the first step. But yeah, if this is gonna keep
individuals like Ralph Yarl from getting shot through a screen
door by going and knocking looking for his siblings, or
the other young lady who was shouting through the screen
door who was looking for help, if this prevents those things,
(33:47):
then yeah, on the surface, I can see if he
can get to that point where it's making it real
clear this bill is to prevent stupid self defense defenses
like that.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Then we're gonna we may get some.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Traction and it may just be defining more clearly what
imminent danger is defining clearly where quote unquote, And I
know I'm not a lawyer. I'm just saying where the
castle doctrine begins and ends? Does it include what's happening
in your backyard? Someone's hoped the fence in your backyard?
Is that a part of your house? You know someone
(34:20):
is stealing your car and it's in your car port,
but it may not be in an attached garage? Is
that considered your house and castle doctrine? Those are the
questions that I would have when am I allowed to
use lethal force? And when am I then just committing homicide?
Two different things, And it's ongoing debate and will continue
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