February 28, 2025 • 36 mins
ICYMI: Hour One of ‘Later, with Mo’Kelly’ Presents – An in-depth look at the life and incomparable career of Oscar-winning actor Gene Hackman, gone at the age of 95…PLUS – Thoughts on Elon Musk having to eat a healthy serving of humble pie while asking retired air traffic controllers to return to work, citing a “shortage of top notch air traffic controllers” AND the ever increasing reports of confirmed measles cases - on KFI AM 640…Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Okay if I am six forty utes later with Mokelly
alive everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. I was going home
last night, listening to George Norri, just in my head,
just thinking about random things, thinking about what the next
show was going to be. It's hard for me to
turn off my mind. And I got home and then
I started looking through the news and looking through the stories,
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and then up popped the story of Gene Hackman. I
don't remember what time it was, but I remember it
was late last night, and I just put up the
post on my personal Facebook page, like is this really?
Just didn't seem real. We always talk about things which
are unreal. Gene Hackman, even though he had left public life,
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we didn't think that there was anything wrong with him,
that he was necessarily ill. He would pop up every
now and then because there was some paparazzo who take
a picture of him and it would end up in
the tabloids. But we didn't think that the story would
end like this. We know all stories have to end,
but we didn't know his was supposed to end like this.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And I say this not knowing what this is.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
We had the initial report that Hackman his wife and
one of his dogs, not all of his dogs, but
one of his dogs were found deceased. They had been
dead for some time, and I don't know what that
means more than a day from certain published accounts. Originally
law enforcement or at least it was said publicly that
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foul play had been ruled out. Then it was later
changed to suspicious, and we're learning more and more that
there's more to this story. In fact, I didn't even
know that I was going to talk about this at
the top of the show until maybe two minutes ago.
There's more to the story, and I don't know what
it is, so I'm not even going to speculate. I'm
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going to let law enforcement and the coroner do their
jobs and they will go from there. But to find
Gene Hackman deceased in this manner at this time, just
days before the Oscars, it's real difficult to separate the
two in them in an emotional sense. This is the
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time where the best and the brightest, the greatest, the
most legendary when it comes to movies, are featured. And
I don't know if there was any one bigger still living,
with the exception maybe of Jack Nicholson in an actor
sence than Gene Hackman, who had won two Academy Awards,
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been nominated another three times, probably top three actor of
our generation. And I'll defer to Mark Ronner. I'll take
his opinion over mine. But I can't think of anyone really.
Everybody loved Gene Hackman. Yes, and that's not an exaggeration. Everybody.
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He was a consummate actor. He was a consummate talent.
I never met him. I have no personal anecdotes to share,
but from what I saw on screen, if someone said
Gene Hackman is the greatest actor ever, I'll hear that argument.
I'll listen to that conversation because there's a lot of
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evidence to support it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, he acted like him, and he was impossible not
to like. He reminded me an awful lot of Spencer Tracy.
There was nobody like him. They weren't conventionally movie star
godlike handsome looking, but they were both extremely masculine in
their own way and charismatic, and there was just nobody
exactly liked them. So if you like them, you're gonna
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like them, and whatever you watch them it They were
not chameleons.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, I got the sense that Gene Hackman tolerated Hollywood,
but he loved acting, and there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
People were afraid of him, like physically afraid of him.
There's all sorts of stories of him buttonholding people and
they don't know if he's gonna smack him or not.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He had such an imposing presence on and off screen
form what I could tell, we know what it was
on screen, but off screen he was an imposing figure
for what I hear.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Ex Marine, not a lot of actors were Marines.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Which at one point we will get into Crimson Tide
and the importance of that movie and that particular performance,
which for me, next to maybe the French connection will
always stand out.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
French connection is at the top for me.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But then you have Crimson Tide, and then I would
say three or c depending on how you list.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It would be Lex Luthor Man.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Two reasonable people can disagree, but there's not a stinker
in the bunch.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Well, I'd like Superman too because it showed the comedic
side of Gene Hackman that we don't always get to see.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Didn't always get to see. Well, he had to lobby
for comedic roles. I had read something that mel Brooks
wrote about Hackman appearing as the old blind Man and
young Frankenstein. Everybody just assumed that Hackman was only going
to do tough stuff and he wanted to do comedy.
But he was already getting typecast before then. And then
after that people realized, oh, yeah, this guy can do anything.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But he was the actor's actress, so yeah, it makes sense.
He was well versed. He was obviously competent in the
various disciplines of acting. But when you hear the stories,
and I've heard some of them as well, as far
as he wanted to have a broader scope of roles
in which he would do, and he was to think that,
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you know, Gene Hackman would be typecast.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yes, he was always irascable. He was the curmudgeon.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
He was always face and very serious in his presentation,
and also.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
A bad guy a lot. He really paid his dues.
You see some sixties TV, like the old FBI show
with that from Zimbalist Junior, he'll turn up in that
stuff as a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
This for me is saddening because when you have such
genuine affection for someone and their talent again never knew him,
you don't want the story to end like this in
this way, regardless of what more we may learn, I
would have rather it was without a cloud of mystery.
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I would have rather that we would have all had
the opportunity to emotionally prepare. Obviously, this came out of
absolutely nowhere, and I'm not going to speak on the specifics,
if only because I'm not so sure. What we know
right now is what we'll feel about it and what
we'll think about it a week from now. What happens
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now we'll wait for the investig I don't know what
to think about how long At this point, we know
that it was more than a day that he and
his wife were found deceased. The time in between there've
been other items depending on the media that you read,
is whether there's like a bottle of pills on the
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table near them. And I'm not getting into that. I'm
just saying I'm aware of those reports. But we'll know
more in the coming days and weeks, and I don't
think we need to hurry up and find out everything
in the first twenty four hours. It's okay if we
wait for the autopsy. It's okay if we wait for
the toxicology and get a better sense of what may
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have transpired leading to this moment. We have the Oscars
on Sunday. I don't know how the Oscars will plan
to address it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They will have to.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'm quite sure someone will come up on stage and
address it if the Academy does not. But this is
just a weird time for Hollywood in general. You knew
that the Oscars were coming up. You knew that they
were going to focus on the fires and how many
people in that room, including Conan O'Brien who's hosting, have
been affected by the fires. And I'm sure this is
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something else which is going to, in my estimation, severely
mute the celebration or the celebratory aspect of what the
Oscars usually are. When you get a little bit older,
like me, Mark, You're not my age yet, But once
you get a little older, young whipper snapper, yes, father,
you tend to think about the things that you lose
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and the people that you lose. And up until a
day or so ago, I had not known a day
on this earth without Jeene Hackman in the sense of
his talent and presence, And now to know that he's gone,
you think, like, how is that possible?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yes, I know he was ninety five.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
He had obviously more life behind him than in front
of him. But still you feel the enormity of his loss,
and I know I'm not the only one.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well, ninety five is a good long run, and you
can tell that journalism outlets were prepared for it with
the boilerplate that they had written up ahead of time,
like they do. I'm like, I'm sure there's everybody. I'm
sure there's one at every major news outlet for William
Shatner and any actor who's still with us in their nineties.
But you're the one who first told me about this
last night when you sent a text. And as much
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as they were expecting a ninety five year old actor
could leave us at any moment, they weren't expecting the
way it panned out.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
No, not at all. I'll have more on this in
just a moment. It's later with mo Kelly k If
I am six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio
app And before we go to break, in light of
his passing, Gene Hackman's passing, obviously name that movie called
Classic Tomorrow will be all about Gene Hackman. We got
plenty to choose from. It's not about trying to deceive
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you or trick you. It's going to be some of
the best of Gene Hackman. We will be giving away prizes.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Maybe Mark Ronner will be able to throw in some
anecdotes that he knows and only he knows.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Did you ever get a chance to interview him?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not him, but William Friedkin, obviously, because I'm weirdly obsessed
with Freedkin, and I asked him a lot about, of course,
the French connection, for god sake. And you know, Hackman
wasn't even the first choice to play Popeye Doyle in
that it was a newspaper columnist named Jimmy Breslin. Turned
out Breslin couldn't act, and so they brought in Hackman,
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who was uncomfortable with some of that stuff, especially you know,
Popeye Doyle says some kind of salty, racially tinged things
when he's shaking people down. But Freedkin convinced him, No,
this is who this guy is. You're acting, this is
the part. You got to do this.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
That's why we have Mark Ronner. He's a wealth of information.
I am six forty. We are live everywhere in the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And before the break, I was going back and forth
with Mark Runner, our in house resident movie historian, talking
about the passing, the untimely passing, even though he was
ninety five years old, the untimely passing of Gene Hackman,
two time Academy Award winner, five time nominated, three Golden
Globe wins. And I was making the argument, you could
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make the argument that he's the greatest actor of our time.
And I would listen to others if you thought maybe
Jack Nicholson or Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'll hear all that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I'm saying if you told me Gene Hackman, I
would say, yeah, I'd buy that. I'd allow that. And
before the break, I was talking about some of the
things and scenes and movies which appealed to me. I
had mentioned Crimson Tide, obviously the French connection, and I
had an epiphany during the commercial break, Mark, tell me
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what you think about this. I think we become emotional
when certain actors or entertainers pass because there's usual a
familial connection. What I mean by that is when I
think of Gene Hackman and others, but specifically Gene Hackman.
I think of my father who pointed me to the
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French connection, saying, you have to see this movie. So
there's always that type of tie in with these entertainers.
Do you think that that flies.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I think a good actor is like a good radio host,
and that they make you feel instantly like you know
him when you don't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And so.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You know, I was thinking about the Hacklan as well
during the breaking, looking up some stuff that I'd even
forgotten that he was in that I that I loved,
like Mississippi Burning became one of my touchstone movies for
for the way he charges down the stairs and just
slaps the living daylights out of Willem Defoe. That became
a common threat for me with other people, like I'm
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gonna Mississippi Burning you, I'm gonna slap you like that
he was.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
He had this presence which just filled up the screw.
And another one of my favorite movies was The Quicken
the Dead. He's just a great villain, great actor was.
His screen presence was otherworldly.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It's not many actors who can really play a hero
and a villain just as good. I mean, he was
the hero in what I think now is kind of
trashy the Poseidon Adventure, but he was terrific in that.
You don't begrudge him playing that at all because he
takes what might seem kind of like a cheesy, silly,
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low rent type of thing and he imbues it with
some dignity and some machismo.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's really fun. He was great to me in the
firm with Tom Cruise. I haven't seen that since it
came out.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I actually rewatched it, I want to say, maybe two
or three years.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Agoe no, because I was pulling clips.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Forward named that movie called Classic, and you see a
clip and then it makes you want to go back
and rewatch the movie. He's just I don't know if
there was a time in which he mailed it in.
Maybe he did, but he fooled me if he ever did,
I don't know of a time in which it's said like, oh,
he just took the paycheck on this one. And there
are a lot of actors you can tell who may
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have been great at one time in their career and
then after a certain point they're just compiling paychecks to
maintain their lifestyle. I didn't feel that way about Gene Hackman,
and I think it bore itself out when he decided
to just leave Hollywood and leave public life for the
remaining twenty years of his life.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I never got the sense that he was acting because
he liked Hollywood. I think I just got the sense
that he didn't like Hollywood, but he loved the hell
out of acting.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
He certainly had nothing left to prove, and he was
part of that generation that started in the sixties but
really came to prominence, like Robert Duval in the early seventies,
during that new Hollywood movement where you know, filmmakers, directors
were kind of taking chances, departing from the formulas. And
he was in a really terrific one called Night Moves
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that you must see. You haven't seen it Night Moves.
It's kind of a neo noir movie. Was that late seventies,
wasn't I think early mid but I'm looking it up
right now.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, I want to think it was mid to late
seventies if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
His credit list is so massive you can't just look
at it in one screen.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It really I'll.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Find it's seventy five. Well done, Thank you nineteen seventy five.
That's my contribution for the evening. No, No, well done.
If you haven't seen Night Moves, you're gonna love it.
And I was saying at the beginning of this segment
there's usually a familial connection. I remember my whole family
sitting down in the early days of VHS and beta
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watching Superman two.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
We didn't see it in theaters.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We saw it on video when it was released a
home video, and we watched it together and we all
just loved because Christopher Rees was not the household name
at that point. It was Gene. Oh yeah, he was
the When I say the star, he was the poll.
You know, it's like you got v Gene Hackman to
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play Lex Luthor. Yes, it was a sequel for a Superman,
but still he was the biggest star in the world
at that time.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It's like putting Harrison Ford in the latest cap movie
with Anthony Mackie. You've got somebody up and coming in it,
but then you've got the superstar right there to give
it the gravitas.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Look, if we were to sit here and just go
through his whole list of films, did you ever see.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
The French connection too? I don't think I did.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I think John Frankenheimer directed that and it wasn't really
well regarded, but you still got to see it if
you like the first one, because that's the one I
think where they where they get pop by.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Doyle strung out on the junk something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I think I've seen it, but I don't remember, or
maybe I just don't want to remember. You know, he
had his moments where you would do some comedy. We
had talked about that he was on laugh In. I remember,
I vague remember the episode. Oh really, yeah, what did
he do on Laughing? I have to look it up,
but I know he It says here he was on twice.
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I remember my own memory once that he was on
laugh In. So he had comedic chops. You're not going
on laugh In to do a dramatic presentation.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And one of his last movies, The Royal Tenenbaum, is
one of the funniest movies of the decade. It was
in and he was terrific in it. If that had
been his swan song, that would have been perfectly acceptable.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
If there's anything that I appreciate about how he ran
his career is that he left on his own terms,
and my memory of him as an actor was Gene
Hackman at his peak and all the various other actors
that he may have instructed tutored along the way, from
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Denzel Washington, Crimson Tide to even Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And Enemy of the State.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Oh that's right, Okay, Yeah, I saw that, but it
was not at the forefront of my mind because I'm
just not a giant Will Smith fan, but i am
a giant Gene Hackman fan.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
But see, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I saw that movie En and Me of the State
because Gene Hackman was in it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, not because of Will Smith.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
As far as I'm concerned, and I'm not trying to
be disrespectful to Will Smith. They could have put any
young and up and coming actor once again in that role.
And since you have the elder statesman of Gene Hackman,
the movie makes sense. You want to see the movie,
let me see Inman the State was nineteen ninety eight,
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so that was when Will Smith was coming into his
real level of prominence. I guess it was after Independence
Day if I'm not mistaken, But still Gene Hackman in
nineteen ninety eight was Gene Hackman.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, you know one great thing is he's left behind
such a magnificent catalog of movies to discover, and even
I haven't seen all of them, and I keep on
running across ones that I haven't on the streaming services,
like I I watched a couple of years ago one
called Marcher Die from nineteen seventy seven. Again not complete
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blockbuster top ten material during the years they came out,
but well worth your time.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Now tomorrow, Mark, you and I were talking about what
you were going to do tomorrow for your run a report.
Is there any type of gene Hackman tie in?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, I've I have kind of a juvenile fascination with
people who shout. Well, I was just thinking about all
of them, like Hoosiers. You remember Hoosiers, Of course I do.
I'm surprised we didn't mention it sooner. Yeah, yeah, I
nobody to me shouts better than him. And I was
gonna put together like a top ten list of of
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Hackman shouting scenes.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I'm just gonna go home and see what strikes my
fancy tonight. Because looking through his filmography, there are so
many things, like I Cisco Pike from nineteen seventy one,
I hadn't even watched until about six months ago. Another
terrific one where he's a jerk cop trying to manipulate
Chris Christofferson.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Go ahead, No, I'm saying, I just remembered one of
my favorite movies.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Also another example of he being the elder statesman, when
this young up and coming actor No Way Out Kevin Costner.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yes, yeah, with the whole twist at the end. Yeah,
I love that movie. When it came out in nineteen
eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
My god, we're old. We're so old.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I remember I was a senior in high school and no,
I was just started my freshman year in college. Because
they filmed all that in DC, and there were a
lot of recognizable places in DC that back then you're like, oh,
that's you know, that's the Rhode Island Mall or something
like that. You know you could there are a lot
of recognizable, identifiable places. Because Kevin Costner played a young
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Navy officer.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I wind up seeing bits and pieces of that fairly
often because it's kind of in heavy rotation or the
long suffering one will put it on. She rewatches things
a lot more than I do. That whole up so well,
it's really good No Way Out nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
As a matter of fact, if people were to watch
it right now, right now, the storyline not only holds up,
but it will be almost you would think it's prescient
as far as what's happening in politics today. And not
to give it away, because the premise is, Kevin Costner
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plays this young naval officer and the Navy is supposedly
looking for this character named Yuri, who is either a
double agent or a plant, a mole somewhere within the Pentagon,
and after a certain point they start looking at Kevin Costner.
And if you think about the geopolitical landscape today, watch
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that movie and think about what's going on today, and
you'll think, oh, yeah, that could happen.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, that was back when we were against Russia.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I want to recommend one more movie before we move
on from nineteen ninety. It's a remake of an old,
old action film noir called Narrow Margin, directed by Peter Hyams,
who did some of these great eighties and nineties action
adventure films.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
How do think I saw that one? What was that
one about?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's about a detective on a long train ride with
people after him.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's all you need to know. It's a train movie.
It's terristic.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Peter Hyams he did all the best actions in Car
one and all those he does not get his doing.
And I think Peter Hyams might still be with us
as well. It's Later with Mo Kelly KFI AM six forty.
We are live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty And.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The theme for this segment is going to be, oh,
Hail's no, what we what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
This is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Elon Musk has taken to his megaphone better known as
X slash Twitter, and he is literally begging retired air
traffic controllers to return to work. Say it with me, Oh,
Hell's no. This is a real story. Now you know
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that Elon Musk and Doge have fired hundreds of workers
connected to the FAA. Not air traffic controllers, but more
than one hundred and thirty people who were fired held
jobs that directly or indirectly supported the air traffic controllers,
facilities and technologies that the FAA uses to keep planes
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and their passengers safe. In other words, Elon Musk and
doge after firing. Probably a lot of people friends and
colleagues of these retired air traffic controllers is asking these
same air traffic controllers to come back to work, come
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out of retirement and likely just being worked worse because
they won't have the support staff because those individuals have
already been fired and probably mistreated, as well as the
other FAA employees which have already been fired. What would
be the motivation for someone to come out of retirement
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at the behest of someone who has gutted your agency?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Say it with me, I'll tell you. Oh, hell's no, it's.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The fact that the same person who gutted the agency
might soon be gutting social Security.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So you don't get to the time.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You wouldn't be able to get me back, if only
because if I retired, I retired for a reason.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I was a conscious decision, and I know.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Put it this way, how you do other people is
I know how you're going to do me. If I
see a company fires people in a certain way, I
know that's going to happen to me when I'm ultimately fired.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It does not matter where I work.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
It is a function of I watch how you treat
others I know then how you'll treat me. And Doze
has unceremoniously fired hundreds of FAA workers, and that's not
even including the other federal agencies which they're gutting. I
think they fired eight hundred NOAH employees today.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, and don't forget about the Ebola fiasco as well.
He got rid of the people in charge of dealing
with that and then decided maybe we need those people.
By the way, the mandatory retirement age of air traffic
controllers is pretty US fifty six if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
that's exactly right. That's very young.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
How much have we talked about how air traffic controllers
were both overworked and understaffed. You would think before you
started firing people, be it support staff or ancillary employees,
that you would make sure at least you had the
core necessary individuals in place to make sure the agency
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itself could stand on its own. Instead, you were firing
people willy nilly, and then you realize, oh, maybe we
should actually be hiring some air traffic controllers. And now
you'll have probably a tepid response at best, because if
you're retired, you probably want to stay retired, and you
probably retired for a reason, and you won't have the
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support staff to help them. I don't know how you
can unf this situation because this was avoidable. You didn't
have to dig this hole in all these agencies. And reminder,
they have not shown or demonstrated actual fraud. They just
fired people. There's a difference. It's one thing to say, Okay,
this is waste, this is bloat, this is government largess.
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But at the same time, if you don't show it
to us, there's no reason for us to believe you.
And so now we have clearly a hole in the FAA,
as admitted by Elon Musk as he said that he
wants to quote there's a shortage of top notch air
traffic controllers. If you have retired but are open to
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returning to work, please consider doing so.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Close quote it's not a coinky dink that we've had
some major air incident almost every day. I'm seeing ninety
four so far in the year on Google.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
All I'm saying, and as I've said it before, firing
people does not increase the safety quotion. Firing all the people,
be it staff support or people who are working in
concert with air traffic controllers although they want air traffic controllers,
does not make the overall flying apparatus more safe. And
(27:44):
clearly this is an mission that you, at the minimum
need more air traffic controllers. If you had worked for
the FAA, why in the world would you try to
go back there if you're retired, Why would you want
to put up with that? Why would you want to
put yourself in a situation where clearly you're going to
be over worked, underappreciated, understaff and still may be fired
at the end because the other three hundred people have
(28:07):
already been fired. You probably knew some of them. How
you do other people is probably how you're going to
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Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh, Mark, Am I like psychic or something?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Did I say that the measles epidemic was probably going
to get larger?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Did I? I remember saying that. I was there when
I said it.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, I really take somebody with precognitive abilities to figure
that stuff out.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Let me just take credit for it and break my
arm patting myself on the back.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And I don't say this trying to be funny. Let
me be serious.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
When we come back, we have to talk about how
measles is now spread to Kentucky and New Jersey that
we know of.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You can be serious, but I still want you to
start wearing a Karnak turbine to work.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You know they don't know anything about the great Karnac. Oh,
stop everybody does. Do you have an envelope that can
hold up to my head? That's for Tuwala to do.
He's your Ed McMahon.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And over the course of the week, I told you
about how measles had been spreading in Texas and other states,
and I said, this is going to grow, This is
going to continue because people have adopted a new mentality
when it comes to vaccine, saying nothing of COVID vaccine,
talking about the more traditional ones such as the MMR,
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which was set out in nineteen sixty three, was first
used in nineteen sixty three and improved since that time.
I told you about the history of measles had been
effectively eradicated in the United States as of the year
two thousand, but because of this outbreak and changing attitudes
towards vaccines. We're going to have to deal with measles
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all around the country, and I mean that all around
the country. Two new measles cases have been linked to
a child in New Jersey, and it turns out that
the two new infections are the parents of the unvaccinated child.
And the problem is, we know that the incubation period
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can be as many as twenty one days. There's no
telling where the three of them, the parents and the child,
have been, how many people they've been in contact with.
We've already had one child die due to measles. It's
going to grow in New Jersey. And we also know
that Kentucky has announced its first confirmed measles case since
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twenty twenty three, but listen to the specifics. Late last night,
state health officials in Kentucky confirmed the first case of
measles since February of twenty twenty three in an adult.
Check this out mark who attended a Planet fitness class
in Frankfurt. Officials with the Kentucky Department of Public Health
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say the Kentucky resident recently traveled internationally to an area
with ongoing measles transmission. I don't have to remind people
that Kentucky is probably one of the has one of
the lowest vaccination rates across the board in the country,
including measles. I don't have to remind you how many
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people are in a gym on a given day, and
this is an airborne pathogen, and people are sharing air
sharing equipment, sharing pools.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Gyms are one of the worst super spreader locations that
you can go to because of the way people are
breathing heavily.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah. Yeah, and that stuff hangs in the air for
two hours, two hours hours.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, I'm willing to believe that a fair percentage of
people in the gym might have also been unvaccinated. And
I keep reminding people, if you are unvaccinated, you come
and content with someone who has the measles, there's a
nine to ten chance that you're going to catch measles
and then you're going to spread it and so on
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and so on.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Measles is one of the most contagious viruses in the world.
Close quote that's the Kentucky Department of Public Health. But
also they say, quote, fortunately, measles can be prevented with
the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, which is safe and
effective vaccines are an essential tool to keep children and
adults safe and healthy. Close quote Mark Ronner, I don't
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know how many more times I can say the same
damn thing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well, we've got a lot to fight against because there
is a lot of anti vaxx disinformation out there. And
look at who's been appointed the head of the AHHS,
a notorious anti vaxer. No, no, there are consequences to
this stuff, and it's such a massive self owned to
be plagued with something that we had essentially eradicated a
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quarter century ago.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
This didn't have to happen. This is one hundred percent avoidable.
This is not about chance, This is not about bad luck.
This is one hundred percent avoidable. Nobody needs to die
from measles, especially here in the United States. We're not
a third world country where we have contaminated water or
we have insufficient medical supplies and they have to ship
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in all those things every single year to keep people
alive along with food.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
This is the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
This is a choice that we're making collectively as people
and citizens here. We do not have to have any
children dying from measles, much less even contracting measles. This
does not have to happen the same with mumps and
rubella and whooping cough and at this point chicken pox.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, don't forget COVID.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
That's still killing between seven hundred and one thousand people
a week in the United States. We're pretending like that's over.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
No, they're pretending like it's a fake disease and it
doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
There's a different news. No, No, there's a difference. To
believe that it's over.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Is at least acknowledging that a million Americans died because
of it, and we won't even as a country agree
upon that because we don't agree on facts anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
It's not American exceptionalism that we had so many more
people by an order of magnitude than any other industrialized nation.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
That's shameful.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Unfortunately, we have unintended infected are science discussions with politics. Unfortunately,
we have chosen to align ourselves with political beliefs as
opposed to actual factual science. Measles has been stopped. The
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only reason, the only reason that we have a measles
outbreak in America is because people refuse to be vaccinated
against it. The only reason that one child has died
so far is because people refuse to be vaccinated against measles.
This is completely avoidable. And here's the real unfortunate part.
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You want to inject a putt intended politics into this mark.
Imagine if I told you the story of one person
dying because of an illegal immigrant Elon musk No, I'll
just say, like Rake and Riley, people would be running
over themselves to make sure that we change the laws.
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So not one person died because of a legal immigrant.
But it's okay if children die from measles. Perspective is
key here.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
And if children dying doesn't get your attention and make
you want to shape up and fly right when it
comes to the consumption of deadly disinformation, what kind of
person are you?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
The person who's going to watch other children die? Can
if I am six four, We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio.
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App, untangling the mess until it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
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Okay if I am six forty utes later with Mokelly
alive everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. I was going home
last night, listening to George Norri, just in my head,
just thinking about random things, thinking about what the next
show was going to be. It's hard for me to
turn off my mind. And I got home and then
I started looking through the news and looking through the stories,
(00:44):
and then up popped the story of Gene Hackman. I
don't remember what time it was, but I remember it
was late last night, and I just put up the
post on my personal Facebook page, like is this really?
Just didn't seem real. We always talk about things which
are unreal. Gene Hackman, even though he had left public life,
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we didn't think that there was anything wrong with him,
that he was necessarily ill. He would pop up every
now and then because there was some paparazzo who take
a picture of him and it would end up in
the tabloids. But we didn't think that the story would
end like this. We know all stories have to end,
but we didn't know his was supposed to end like this.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And I say this not knowing what this is.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
We had the initial report that Hackman his wife and
one of his dogs, not all of his dogs, but
one of his dogs were found deceased. They had been
dead for some time, and I don't know what that
means more than a day from certain published accounts. Originally
law enforcement or at least it was said publicly that
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foul play had been ruled out. Then it was later
changed to suspicious, and we're learning more and more that
there's more to this story. In fact, I didn't even
know that I was going to talk about this at
the top of the show until maybe two minutes ago.
There's more to the story, and I don't know what
it is, so I'm not even going to speculate. I'm
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going to let law enforcement and the coroner do their
jobs and they will go from there. But to find
Gene Hackman deceased in this manner at this time, just
days before the Oscars, it's real difficult to separate the
two in them in an emotional sense. This is the
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time where the best and the brightest, the greatest, the
most legendary when it comes to movies, are featured. And
I don't know if there was any one bigger still living,
with the exception maybe of Jack Nicholson in an actor
sence than Gene Hackman, who had won two Academy Awards,
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been nominated another three times, probably top three actor of
our generation. And I'll defer to Mark Ronner. I'll take
his opinion over mine. But I can't think of anyone really.
Everybody loved Gene Hackman. Yes, and that's not an exaggeration. Everybody.
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He was a consummate actor. He was a consummate talent.
I never met him. I have no personal anecdotes to share,
but from what I saw on screen, if someone said
Gene Hackman is the greatest actor ever, I'll hear that argument.
I'll listen to that conversation because there's a lot of
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evidence to support it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, he acted like him, and he was impossible not
to like. He reminded me an awful lot of Spencer Tracy.
There was nobody like him. They weren't conventionally movie star
godlike handsome looking, but they were both extremely masculine in
their own way and charismatic, and there was just nobody
exactly liked them. So if you like them, you're gonna
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like them, and whatever you watch them it They were
not chameleons.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, I got the sense that Gene Hackman tolerated Hollywood,
but he loved acting, and there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
People were afraid of him, like physically afraid of him.
There's all sorts of stories of him buttonholding people and
they don't know if he's gonna smack him or not.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He had such an imposing presence on and off screen
form what I could tell, we know what it was
on screen, but off screen he was an imposing figure
for what I hear.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Ex Marine, not a lot of actors were Marines.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Which at one point we will get into Crimson Tide
and the importance of that movie and that particular performance,
which for me, next to maybe the French connection will
always stand out.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
French connection is at the top for me.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But then you have Crimson Tide, and then I would
say three or c depending on how you list.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It would be Lex Luthor Man.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Two reasonable people can disagree, but there's not a stinker
in the bunch.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Well, I'd like Superman too because it showed the comedic
side of Gene Hackman that we don't always get to see.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Didn't always get to see. Well, he had to lobby
for comedic roles. I had read something that mel Brooks
wrote about Hackman appearing as the old blind Man and
young Frankenstein. Everybody just assumed that Hackman was only going
to do tough stuff and he wanted to do comedy.
But he was already getting typecast before then. And then
after that people realized, oh, yeah, this guy can do anything.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But he was the actor's actress, so yeah, it makes sense.
He was well versed. He was obviously competent in the
various disciplines of acting. But when you hear the stories,
and I've heard some of them as well, as far
as he wanted to have a broader scope of roles
in which he would do, and he was to think that,
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you know, Gene Hackman would be typecast.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yes, he was always irascable. He was the curmudgeon.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
He was always face and very serious in his presentation,
and also.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
A bad guy a lot. He really paid his dues.
You see some sixties TV, like the old FBI show
with that from Zimbalist Junior, he'll turn up in that
stuff as a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
This for me is saddening because when you have such
genuine affection for someone and their talent again never knew him,
you don't want the story to end like this in
this way, regardless of what more we may learn, I
would have rather it was without a cloud of mystery.
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I would have rather that we would have all had
the opportunity to emotionally prepare. Obviously, this came out of
absolutely nowhere, and I'm not going to speak on the specifics,
if only because I'm not so sure. What we know
right now is what we'll feel about it and what
we'll think about it a week from now. What happens
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now we'll wait for the investig I don't know what
to think about how long At this point, we know
that it was more than a day that he and
his wife were found deceased. The time in between there've
been other items depending on the media that you read,
is whether there's like a bottle of pills on the
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table near them. And I'm not getting into that. I'm
just saying I'm aware of those reports. But we'll know
more in the coming days and weeks, and I don't
think we need to hurry up and find out everything
in the first twenty four hours. It's okay if we
wait for the autopsy. It's okay if we wait for
the toxicology and get a better sense of what may
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have transpired leading to this moment. We have the Oscars
on Sunday. I don't know how the Oscars will plan
to address it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They will have to.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'm quite sure someone will come up on stage and
address it if the Academy does not. But this is
just a weird time for Hollywood in general. You knew
that the Oscars were coming up. You knew that they
were going to focus on the fires and how many
people in that room, including Conan O'Brien who's hosting, have
been affected by the fires. And I'm sure this is
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something else which is going to, in my estimation, severely
mute the celebration or the celebratory aspect of what the
Oscars usually are. When you get a little bit older,
like me, Mark, You're not my age yet, But once
you get a little older, young whipper snapper, yes, father,
you tend to think about the things that you lose
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and the people that you lose. And up until a
day or so ago, I had not known a day
on this earth without Jeene Hackman in the sense of
his talent and presence, And now to know that he's gone,
you think, like, how is that possible?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yes, I know he was ninety five.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
He had obviously more life behind him than in front
of him. But still you feel the enormity of his loss,
and I know I'm not the only one.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well, ninety five is a good long run, and you
can tell that journalism outlets were prepared for it with
the boilerplate that they had written up ahead of time,
like they do. I'm like, I'm sure there's everybody. I'm
sure there's one at every major news outlet for William
Shatner and any actor who's still with us in their nineties.
But you're the one who first told me about this
last night when you sent a text. And as much
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as they were expecting a ninety five year old actor
could leave us at any moment, they weren't expecting the
way it panned out.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
No, not at all. I'll have more on this in
just a moment. It's later with mo Kelly k If
I am six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio
app And before we go to break, in light of
his passing, Gene Hackman's passing, obviously name that movie called
Classic Tomorrow will be all about Gene Hackman. We got
plenty to choose from. It's not about trying to deceive
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you or trick you. It's going to be some of
the best of Gene Hackman. We will be giving away prizes.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Maybe Mark Ronner will be able to throw in some
anecdotes that he knows and only he knows.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Did you ever get a chance to interview him?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not him, but William Friedkin, obviously, because I'm weirdly obsessed
with Freedkin, and I asked him a lot about, of course,
the French connection, for god sake. And you know, Hackman
wasn't even the first choice to play Popeye Doyle in
that it was a newspaper columnist named Jimmy Breslin. Turned
out Breslin couldn't act, and so they brought in Hackman,
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who was uncomfortable with some of that stuff, especially you know,
Popeye Doyle says some kind of salty, racially tinged things
when he's shaking people down. But Freedkin convinced him, No,
this is who this guy is. You're acting, this is
the part. You got to do this.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
That's why we have Mark Ronner. He's a wealth of information.
I am six forty. We are live everywhere in the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
And before the break, I was going back and forth
with Mark Runner, our in house resident movie historian, talking
about the passing, the untimely passing, even though he was
ninety five years old, the untimely passing of Gene Hackman,
two time Academy Award winner, five time nominated, three Golden
Globe wins. And I was making the argument, you could
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make the argument that he's the greatest actor of our time.
And I would listen to others if you thought maybe
Jack Nicholson or Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'll hear all that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I'm saying if you told me Gene Hackman, I
would say, yeah, I'd buy that. I'd allow that. And
before the break, I was talking about some of the
things and scenes and movies which appealed to me. I
had mentioned Crimson Tide, obviously the French connection, and I
had an epiphany during the commercial break, Mark, tell me
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what you think about this. I think we become emotional
when certain actors or entertainers pass because there's usual a
familial connection. What I mean by that is when I
think of Gene Hackman and others, but specifically Gene Hackman.
I think of my father who pointed me to the
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French connection, saying, you have to see this movie. So
there's always that type of tie in with these entertainers.
Do you think that that flies.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I think a good actor is like a good radio host,
and that they make you feel instantly like you know
him when you don't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And so.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
You know, I was thinking about the Hacklan as well
during the breaking, looking up some stuff that I'd even
forgotten that he was in that I that I loved,
like Mississippi Burning became one of my touchstone movies for
for the way he charges down the stairs and just
slaps the living daylights out of Willem Defoe. That became
a common threat for me with other people, like I'm
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gonna Mississippi Burning you, I'm gonna slap you like that
he was.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
He had this presence which just filled up the screw.
And another one of my favorite movies was The Quicken
the Dead. He's just a great villain, great actor was.
His screen presence was otherworldly.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It's not many actors who can really play a hero
and a villain just as good. I mean, he was
the hero in what I think now is kind of
trashy the Poseidon Adventure, but he was terrific in that.
You don't begrudge him playing that at all because he
takes what might seem kind of like a cheesy, silly,
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low rent type of thing and he imbues it with
some dignity and some machismo.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's really fun. He was great to me in the
firm with Tom Cruise. I haven't seen that since it
came out.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I actually rewatched it, I want to say, maybe two
or three years.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Agoe no, because I was pulling clips.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Forward named that movie called Classic, and you see a
clip and then it makes you want to go back
and rewatch the movie. He's just I don't know if
there was a time in which he mailed it in.
Maybe he did, but he fooled me if he ever did,
I don't know of a time in which it's said like, oh,
he just took the paycheck on this one. And there
are a lot of actors you can tell who may
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have been great at one time in their career and
then after a certain point they're just compiling paychecks to
maintain their lifestyle. I didn't feel that way about Gene Hackman,
and I think it bore itself out when he decided
to just leave Hollywood and leave public life for the
remaining twenty years of his life.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I never got the sense that he was acting because
he liked Hollywood. I think I just got the sense
that he didn't like Hollywood, but he loved the hell
out of acting.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
He certainly had nothing left to prove, and he was
part of that generation that started in the sixties but
really came to prominence, like Robert Duval in the early seventies,
during that new Hollywood movement where you know, filmmakers, directors
were kind of taking chances, departing from the formulas. And
he was in a really terrific one called Night Moves
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that you must see. You haven't seen it Night Moves.
It's kind of a neo noir movie. Was that late seventies,
wasn't I think early mid but I'm looking it up
right now.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, I want to think it was mid to late
seventies if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
His credit list is so massive you can't just look
at it in one screen.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It really I'll.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Find it's seventy five. Well done, Thank you nineteen seventy five.
That's my contribution for the evening. No, No, well done.
If you haven't seen Night Moves, you're gonna love it.
And I was saying at the beginning of this segment
there's usually a familial connection. I remember my whole family
sitting down in the early days of VHS and beta
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watching Superman two.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
We didn't see it in theaters.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We saw it on video when it was released a
home video, and we watched it together and we all
just loved because Christopher Rees was not the household name
at that point. It was Gene. Oh yeah, he was
the When I say the star, he was the poll.
You know, it's like you got v Gene Hackman to
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play Lex Luthor. Yes, it was a sequel for a Superman,
but still he was the biggest star in the world
at that time.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It's like putting Harrison Ford in the latest cap movie
with Anthony Mackie. You've got somebody up and coming in it,
but then you've got the superstar right there to give
it the gravitas.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Look, if we were to sit here and just go
through his whole list of films, did you ever see.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
The French connection too? I don't think I did.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I think John Frankenheimer directed that and it wasn't really
well regarded, but you still got to see it if
you like the first one, because that's the one I
think where they where they get pop by.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Doyle strung out on the junk something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I think I've seen it, but I don't remember, or
maybe I just don't want to remember. You know, he
had his moments where you would do some comedy. We
had talked about that he was on laugh In. I remember,
I vague remember the episode. Oh really, yeah, what did
he do on Laughing? I have to look it up,
but I know he It says here he was on twice.
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I remember my own memory once that he was on
laugh In. So he had comedic chops. You're not going
on laugh In to do a dramatic presentation.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And one of his last movies, The Royal Tenenbaum, is
one of the funniest movies of the decade. It was
in and he was terrific in it. If that had
been his swan song, that would have been perfectly acceptable.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
If there's anything that I appreciate about how he ran
his career is that he left on his own terms,
and my memory of him as an actor was Gene
Hackman at his peak and all the various other actors
that he may have instructed tutored along the way, from
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Denzel Washington, Crimson Tide to even Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And Enemy of the State.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Oh that's right, Okay, Yeah, I saw that, but it
was not at the forefront of my mind because I'm
just not a giant Will Smith fan, but i am
a giant Gene Hackman fan.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
But see, that's my point.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I saw that movie En and Me of the State
because Gene Hackman was in it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, not because of Will Smith.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
As far as I'm concerned, and I'm not trying to
be disrespectful to Will Smith. They could have put any
young and up and coming actor once again in that role.
And since you have the elder statesman of Gene Hackman,
the movie makes sense. You want to see the movie,
let me see Inman the State was nineteen ninety eight,
(18:33):
so that was when Will Smith was coming into his
real level of prominence. I guess it was after Independence
Day if I'm not mistaken, But still Gene Hackman in
nineteen ninety eight was Gene Hackman.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, you know one great thing is he's left behind
such a magnificent catalog of movies to discover, and even
I haven't seen all of them, and I keep on
running across ones that I haven't on the streaming services,
like I I watched a couple of years ago one
called Marcher Die from nineteen seventy seven. Again not complete
(19:07):
blockbuster top ten material during the years they came out,
but well worth your time.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Now tomorrow, Mark, you and I were talking about what
you were going to do tomorrow for your run a report.
Is there any type of gene Hackman tie in?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, I've I have kind of a juvenile fascination with
people who shout. Well, I was just thinking about all
of them, like Hoosiers. You remember Hoosiers, Of course I do.
I'm surprised we didn't mention it sooner. Yeah, yeah, I
nobody to me shouts better than him. And I was
gonna put together like a top ten list of of
(19:46):
Hackman shouting scenes.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I'm just gonna go home and see what strikes my
fancy tonight. Because looking through his filmography, there are so
many things, like I Cisco Pike from nineteen seventy one,
I hadn't even watched until about six months ago. Another
terrific one where he's a jerk cop trying to manipulate
Chris Christofferson.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Go ahead, No, I'm saying, I just remembered one of
my favorite movies.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Also another example of he being the elder statesman, when
this young up and coming actor No Way Out Kevin Costner.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yes, yeah, with the whole twist at the end. Yeah,
I love that movie. When it came out in nineteen
eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
My god, we're old. We're so old.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I remember I was a senior in high school and no,
I was just started my freshman year in college. Because
they filmed all that in DC, and there were a
lot of recognizable places in DC that back then you're like, oh,
that's you know, that's the Rhode Island Mall or something
like that. You know you could there are a lot
of recognizable, identifiable places. Because Kevin Costner played a young
(20:49):
Navy officer.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I wind up seeing bits and pieces of that fairly
often because it's kind of in heavy rotation or the
long suffering one will put it on. She rewatches things
a lot more than I do. That whole up so well,
it's really good No Way Out nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
As a matter of fact, if people were to watch
it right now, right now, the storyline not only holds up,
but it will be almost you would think it's prescient
as far as what's happening in politics today. And not
to give it away, because the premise is, Kevin Costner
(21:25):
plays this young naval officer and the Navy is supposedly
looking for this character named Yuri, who is either a
double agent or a plant, a mole somewhere within the Pentagon,
and after a certain point they start looking at Kevin Costner.
And if you think about the geopolitical landscape today, watch
(21:46):
that movie and think about what's going on today, and
you'll think, oh, yeah, that could happen.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, that was back when we were against Russia.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
I want to recommend one more movie before we move
on from nineteen ninety. It's a remake of an old,
old action film noir called Narrow Margin, directed by Peter Hyams,
who did some of these great eighties and nineties action
adventure films.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
How do think I saw that one? What was that
one about?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It's about a detective on a long train ride with
people after him.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That's all you need to know. It's a train movie.
It's terristic.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Peter Hyams he did all the best actions in Car
one and all those he does not get his doing.
And I think Peter Hyams might still be with us
as well. It's Later with Mo Kelly KFI AM six forty.
We are live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty And.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The theme for this segment is going to be, oh,
Hail's no, what we what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
This is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Elon Musk has taken to his megaphone better known as
X slash Twitter, and he is literally begging retired air
traffic controllers to return to work. Say it with me, Oh,
Hell's no. This is a real story. Now you know
(23:10):
that Elon Musk and Doge have fired hundreds of workers
connected to the FAA. Not air traffic controllers, but more
than one hundred and thirty people who were fired held
jobs that directly or indirectly supported the air traffic controllers,
facilities and technologies that the FAA uses to keep planes
(23:32):
and their passengers safe. In other words, Elon Musk and
doge after firing. Probably a lot of people friends and
colleagues of these retired air traffic controllers is asking these
same air traffic controllers to come back to work, come
(23:53):
out of retirement and likely just being worked worse because
they won't have the support staff because those individuals have
already been fired and probably mistreated, as well as the
other FAA employees which have already been fired. What would
be the motivation for someone to come out of retirement
(24:17):
at the behest of someone who has gutted your agency?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Say it with me, I'll tell you. Oh, hell's no, it's.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The fact that the same person who gutted the agency
might soon be gutting social Security.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So you don't get to the time.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You wouldn't be able to get me back, if only
because if I retired, I retired for a reason.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I was a conscious decision, and I know.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Put it this way, how you do other people is
I know how you're going to do me. If I
see a company fires people in a certain way, I
know that's going to happen to me when I'm ultimately fired.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It does not matter where I work.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
It is a function of I watch how you treat
others I know then how you'll treat me. And Doze
has unceremoniously fired hundreds of FAA workers, and that's not
even including the other federal agencies which they're gutting. I
think they fired eight hundred NOAH employees today.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, and don't forget about the Ebola fiasco as well.
He got rid of the people in charge of dealing
with that and then decided maybe we need those people.
By the way, the mandatory retirement age of air traffic
controllers is pretty US fifty six if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
that's exactly right. That's very young.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
How much have we talked about how air traffic controllers
were both overworked and understaffed. You would think before you
started firing people, be it support staff or ancillary employees,
that you would make sure at least you had the
core necessary individuals in place to make sure the agency
(25:57):
itself could stand on its own. Instead, you were firing
people willy nilly, and then you realize, oh, maybe we
should actually be hiring some air traffic controllers. And now
you'll have probably a tepid response at best, because if
you're retired, you probably want to stay retired, and you
probably retired for a reason, and you won't have the
(26:19):
support staff to help them. I don't know how you
can unf this situation because this was avoidable. You didn't
have to dig this hole in all these agencies. And reminder,
they have not shown or demonstrated actual fraud. They just
fired people. There's a difference. It's one thing to say, Okay,
this is waste, this is bloat, this is government largess.
(26:43):
But at the same time, if you don't show it
to us, there's no reason for us to believe you.
And so now we have clearly a hole in the FAA,
as admitted by Elon Musk as he said that he
wants to quote there's a shortage of top notch air
traffic controllers. If you have retired but are open to
(27:04):
returning to work, please consider doing so.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Close quote it's not a coinky dink that we've had
some major air incident almost every day. I'm seeing ninety
four so far in the year on Google.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
All I'm saying, and as I've said it before, firing
people does not increase the safety quotion. Firing all the people,
be it staff support or people who are working in
concert with air traffic controllers although they want air traffic controllers,
does not make the overall flying apparatus more safe. And
(27:44):
clearly this is an mission that you, at the minimum
need more air traffic controllers. If you had worked for
the FAA, why in the world would you try to
go back there if you're retired, Why would you want
to put up with that? Why would you want to
put yourself in a situation where clearly you're going to
be over worked, underappreciated, understaff and still may be fired
at the end because the other three hundred people have
(28:07):
already been fired. You probably knew some of them. How
you do other people is probably how you're going to
do me. It's later with Mo Kelly Cafi AM six
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Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh, Mark, Am I like psychic or something?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Did I say that the measles epidemic was probably going
to get larger?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Did I? I remember saying that. I was there when
I said it.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, I really take somebody with precognitive abilities to figure
that stuff out.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Let me just take credit for it and break my
arm patting myself on the back.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And I don't say this trying to be funny. Let
me be serious.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
When we come back, we have to talk about how
measles is now spread to Kentucky and New Jersey that
we know of.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You can be serious, but I still want you to
start wearing a Karnak turbine to work.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
You know they don't know anything about the great Karnac. Oh,
stop everybody does. Do you have an envelope that can
hold up to my head? That's for Tuwala to do.
He's your Ed McMahon.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And over the course of the week, I told you
about how measles had been spreading in Texas and other states,
and I said, this is going to grow, This is
going to continue because people have adopted a new mentality
when it comes to vaccine, saying nothing of COVID vaccine,
talking about the more traditional ones such as the MMR,
(29:31):
which was set out in nineteen sixty three, was first
used in nineteen sixty three and improved since that time.
I told you about the history of measles had been
effectively eradicated in the United States as of the year
two thousand, but because of this outbreak and changing attitudes
towards vaccines. We're going to have to deal with measles
(29:53):
all around the country, and I mean that all around
the country. Two new measles cases have been linked to
a child in New Jersey, and it turns out that
the two new infections are the parents of the unvaccinated child.
And the problem is, we know that the incubation period
(30:14):
can be as many as twenty one days. There's no
telling where the three of them, the parents and the child,
have been, how many people they've been in contact with.
We've already had one child die due to measles. It's
going to grow in New Jersey. And we also know
that Kentucky has announced its first confirmed measles case since
(30:36):
twenty twenty three, but listen to the specifics. Late last night,
state health officials in Kentucky confirmed the first case of
measles since February of twenty twenty three in an adult.
Check this out mark who attended a Planet fitness class
in Frankfurt. Officials with the Kentucky Department of Public Health
(30:57):
say the Kentucky resident recently traveled internationally to an area
with ongoing measles transmission. I don't have to remind people
that Kentucky is probably one of the has one of
the lowest vaccination rates across the board in the country,
including measles. I don't have to remind you how many
(31:20):
people are in a gym on a given day, and
this is an airborne pathogen, and people are sharing air
sharing equipment, sharing pools.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Gyms are one of the worst super spreader locations that
you can go to because of the way people are
breathing heavily.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah. Yeah, and that stuff hangs in the air for
two hours, two hours hours.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, I'm willing to believe that a fair percentage of
people in the gym might have also been unvaccinated. And
I keep reminding people, if you are unvaccinated, you come
and content with someone who has the measles, there's a
nine to ten chance that you're going to catch measles
and then you're going to spread it and so on
(32:09):
and so on.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Measles is one of the most contagious viruses in the world.
Close quote that's the Kentucky Department of Public Health. But
also they say, quote, fortunately, measles can be prevented with
the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, which is safe and
effective vaccines are an essential tool to keep children and
adults safe and healthy. Close quote Mark Ronner, I don't
(32:34):
know how many more times I can say the same
damn thing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well, we've got a lot to fight against because there
is a lot of anti vaxx disinformation out there. And
look at who's been appointed the head of the AHHS,
a notorious anti vaxer. No, no, there are consequences to
this stuff, and it's such a massive self owned to
be plagued with something that we had essentially eradicated a
(32:58):
quarter century ago.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
This didn't have to happen. This is one hundred percent avoidable.
This is not about chance, This is not about bad luck.
This is one hundred percent avoidable. Nobody needs to die
from measles, especially here in the United States. We're not
a third world country where we have contaminated water or
we have insufficient medical supplies and they have to ship
(33:23):
in all those things every single year to keep people
alive along with food.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
This is the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
This is a choice that we're making collectively as people
and citizens here. We do not have to have any
children dying from measles, much less even contracting measles. This
does not have to happen the same with mumps and
rubella and whooping cough and at this point chicken pox.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, don't forget COVID.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
That's still killing between seven hundred and one thousand people
a week in the United States. We're pretending like that's over.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
No, they're pretending like it's a fake disease and it
doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
There's a different news. No, No, there's a difference. To
believe that it's over.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Is at least acknowledging that a million Americans died because
of it, and we won't even as a country agree
upon that because we don't agree on facts anymore.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
It's not American exceptionalism that we had so many more
people by an order of magnitude than any other industrialized nation.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
That's shameful.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Unfortunately, we have unintended infected are science discussions with politics. Unfortunately,
we have chosen to align ourselves with political beliefs as
opposed to actual factual science. Measles has been stopped. The
(34:54):
only reason, the only reason that we have a measles
outbreak in America is because people refuse to be vaccinated
against it. The only reason that one child has died
so far is because people refuse to be vaccinated against measles.
This is completely avoidable. And here's the real unfortunate part.
(35:17):
You want to inject a putt intended politics into this mark.
Imagine if I told you the story of one person
dying because of an illegal immigrant Elon musk No, I'll
just say, like Rake and Riley, people would be running
over themselves to make sure that we change the laws.
(35:38):
So not one person died because of a legal immigrant.
But it's okay if children die from measles. Perspective is
key here.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
And if children dying doesn't get your attention and make
you want to shape up and fly right when it
comes to the consumption of deadly disinformation, what kind of
person are you?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
The person who's going to watch other children die? Can
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