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October 27, 2024 34 mins
Dean says that homeowners need a stud finder in their home. Dean provides tips on how to hang stuff but without causing any damage to rental properties with the use of surface mount adhesive hangers. 
Dean suggests selecting products that work well with the type of paint/walls in your home. Dean talks about the actual process of placing stuff on your walls...& shares the best tool to have when hanging stuff. Plus, talks about picture rails. 
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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All right, we're talking about hanging stuff inside your home today.

(01:45):
I want to get back to that now. I just
talked to you. Did you go did you look at
monkey Hooks? Did the A students? Did you went and
checked out monkey Hooks? You saw what they are? Right?
They're cool. They're cool. Now, it's not an end all.
There's there's no one thing that is the right thing
for every situation. That is why we've taken you through

(02:06):
the steps this morning. You got to figure out what
your wall conditions are. You got to figure out whether
you're going to be punching through drywall, drilling into plaster,
or going into wood. You know, which is a really
really secure way of hanging a thing if you've got
wood that you hit behind the dry wall or the surface.
But also you need to know, because you came home

(02:27):
with hollow wall anchors that the expectation is there is
no wood there and all of a sudden you hit
a stud. Then you know you don't have the right
anchor in your hand for what you want to hang,
which will lead us to the question of should you
have a stud finder? And I don't think it's a

(02:48):
bad idea for any homeowner to have a stud finder.
A stud finder is simply a device that will allow
you to figure out where the studs are in any
given area of your wall. Yes, they are. Stud finders
can be very, very confusing because they can be priced
anywhere from five dollars literally five dollars up to hundreds

(03:12):
of dollars. So wow, what's the deal with the stud finder? Well,
very very expensive stud finders can be adjusted to different
thicknesses of walls. They can read through plywood walls, concrete walls.
They can identify things like electrical lines and plumbing pipes

(03:33):
and various other things like that. They really are kind
of a pro tool. And you know, hey, if you
got money to burn and you want an expensive stud finder,
you're going to want to learn how to use it.
That's great. Otherwise, a simple basic stud finder for you
will actually work really well. I mean something in the
thirty dollar range. And if it's just as simple as

(03:55):
looking for studs in a hollow wall dry wall setup,
then you know what one of the five dollars stud find.
What is a five dollars studfinder. It's a magnet set
on a swivel, Okay, And why is that effective? Because
studs are made out of wood, Dean, I don't know
if anybody told you, but studs are not magnetic. Now

(04:16):
you're right, you're right, I stand corrected. No, no, no,
but here's the thing. Drywall screws are made out of metal.
And so you've got studs in your wall, and the
drywall has been hung with drywall screws that have been
covered over, they've been mudded over, so you don't see them, hopefully,
but they're still there. And so for every stud wall

(04:39):
that you have in your wall, you've got drywall screws,
usually at about every twelve inches, all the way up
the entire length of that stud And so if you
take a little magnetic stud finder, which has no battery,
no redoubt, it just simply has a magnet on a swivel,
and when the magnet finds metal right under the surface

(05:02):
of the drywall mud, it points to it, and a
little the other end of the magnet, which is red,
points straight at you and says, hey, it's a drywall screw,
which means, hey, we just found the stud. And there
you go, and you can test it by going a
foot higher and it'll happen again, and a foot higher
and it'll happen again, and then you slide over about

(05:22):
sixteen inches okay on average studs. By the way, stud
walls for stick style framing are either sixteen or twenty
four inches on center, so you either go over sixteen
more inches you'll fight.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Now.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
They can be closer than that, but they can't be
further away from that, because that's code. And that's why
you can use something as simple as a magnetic studfinder
to find the studs in a wall and you can
bypass all the other crazy side again, a brilliantly simple
device right for helping you figure out whether you're going

(05:58):
to hang your painting or your photo right where a
stud is, or whether you're going to have to deal
with the hollow wall situation with hollow wall angers. Now,
what if we're renting, or what if we've got a
century old house and we've got plaster, and for whatever reason,
we don't want to do any damage to the wall.

(06:23):
No damage to the wall minimal. We don't want to
put holes in the wall. We but we still want
to hang some stuff. What about surface mount adhesive based hangers. Well,
it's a qualified yes, maybe, depending on a number of factors.

(06:44):
And I got to tell you, just raising this subject,
one of the comments that I get most are for
three M command strips because they're at every you know,
home improvement there, at every hardware store, hanging right up
front three M. They're like, look, don't amateur wall just
peel and stick and hang your photos. In theory, sure,

(07:06):
in practicality, maybe let's talk about why they work and
what makes them not work.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI A M six forty.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Thanks for joining us on the program here in the
third hour of our fine program. On a beautiful, beautiful
fall day in southern California. Things are cooling down. It's
gonna be kind of a cooler week. It's gonna be
nice southern California fall ish, you know, right for in
time for Halloween, which is great. I hope you've got

(07:41):
plans to get out in this lovely day today we do. Uh,
we're just gonna We're gonna get on the bikes. After
the show, We're get on the bikes. We're gonna head
off somewhere. I don't know where we're gonna go, but
we're gonna go somewhere on the bikes. Maybe ride to lunch. Maybe,
I don't know, but uh, we're gonna get out in it.
Get the heart pump and some It's a gorgeous day

(08:02):
to be outside. So make some plants, all right, take
my advice, make some plants. All right. We're talking about
hanging stuff on your walls. We've come to the place
now where we arrive and perhaps the most controversial of
all of these systems of hanging things on your wall,
and that is the no damage quote unquote, Dean's doing

(08:23):
air quotes here, no damage surface anchors, which means adhesive anchors.
And I said right before the break that I get
the most comments from people about three M command anchors.
That's their brand, because they're literally just hanging in every
you go down the picture hanging eye or whatever at

(08:45):
the hardware store, and there they are just everywhere, all
these packages and the claim is it's three m okay,
I mean, so you trust that name, right, But the
claim is, hey, look, you just push these on the wall,
hang your stuff. When you're done, peel them off. They
come off clean, no damage, and you're good to go. Okay,

(09:09):
I'm not buying it. No, I don't, because I've seen
and heard too many stories of like, well, yeah, In fact,
Conway was telling me even on Thursday night he was
a victim of the command hanger. He's like, yeah, you know,
I put those on the wall and then I just wait,
I just wait. Days later, all of a sudden, in

(09:31):
the middle of the night, smash, crash, Man, what happened?
Oh yeah, just fell off, just fell off the wall.
So here's my issue with it. My issue with command
hangers or surface mount hangers is, you know, I mean,
conceptually I'm all for it, but in practical terms, who

(09:54):
is worried about not damaging the walls? Well, probably renters.
If you don't own the place you're you're in the
group that's most concerned about not doing damage to the wall,
and rightly, so, okay, if you're renting, chances are you're
also living in a place in which the landlord has

(10:16):
spent the least amount of money on the paint on
the walls, okay, And have no doubt about it that
you are not sticking an adhesive wallhanger to a wall.
You are sticking an adhesive wallhanger onto paint, okay, which
is itself clinging to the wall. So, if the paint

(10:37):
in your place is in any way shape or form
a little powdery, if you can rub it with your
hand and you get a little bit of you know,
white residue on your hand, flat paint on a wall
because it's old or it was thin, or whatever the
case may be, this is not a strong candidate for
your adhesive hangers. Okay. Second is the fact that so

(11:00):
you can see, well, i'll just put it this way,
you can see the conflict that I have. If you've
got the best possible paint on the wall, it's probably
because you own the place, at which point you're probably
the least concerned about doing damage to the wall because
it's your house and I want my painting right here,
and I don't care I'm putting a hole in the wall.

(11:20):
It's my house. I'm not going to forfeit my security
deposit to myself. So that's the home that has the
best shaped wall conditions, and yet command hangers are almost
inevitably sold to renters who probably have the worst walls
to put adhesive strips onto. So that's an issue that

(11:42):
I have. The second thing is understanding that the condition
of the wall, not just the quality of the paint,
but is it a little dirty, doesn't have any oily
residue on it? Have we completely cleaned that surface? Have
we given it a wipe down with some rubbing alcohol
to make sure that it's as clean as possible? And
then finally, have we applied the hook the way it

(12:05):
should be applied? And you're like, well, wait a second,
it's peel and stick, Dean, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but did
you know that your best odds for having one of
those command hangars stick is to peel off the backing
after you've properly cleaned the wall in the best possible condition,
push it on because it's a foam tape, right to
push it on, and then hold it depressed with as

(12:28):
much pressure as possible against the wall and that foam
tape for about thirty seconds. Yeah, that's kind of a inconvenient,
but it's the proper way to give that adhesive the
best chance, to give the foam the best chance of
molding around the microsurface of the wall so that it's

(12:49):
got the best chance of holding. And even at that,
even at that, am I going to hang something really
valuable there? When I know that there is a likely
that a number of different conditions. Too much moisture in
the air, it gets too dry, the wall paint is
not as good as I thought it was, so on

(13:09):
and so forth, all these conditions that can make one
of these adhesive hooks fall off a wall. Am I
going to put something valuable there? Now? Probably not? So
there you go. So does Dean love adhesive surface mount
of hangars? No he does not. Does he trust them?
No he does not. Has he used them? Yes? Yes

(13:32):
I have? Ah ah Where why I'll tell you why?
And where I do find them valuable in a couple
of situations, on glass, on stone, and on metal surfaces.
Why because they can be cleaned, prepped. We're not relying

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on paint. And that's where an adhesive really shines, Okay,
really really shines. Does a good adhesive leave something behind
when you peel it off? Yeah, it does, because it's
supposed to be grabbing onto the wall. So just don't
buy into this idea that, you know what, you'll stick
this thing on, it'll stay on for five years and

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when you pull it off, it will just come off cleanly.
How does that even make sense that the an adhesive
is super strong, clings to the wall, and yet just
by the power of your willing it to not stick,
when you pull it off, it leaves no marks behind.
It's either a weak adhesive that leaves the wall clean

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or it's a strong adhesive that leaves itself behind and
mars the wall. So the idea of a no damage
wall adhesive not buying it. Okay, I want it to
stick and be a problem when I pull it off,
or it's not gonna stick and I don't want to
hang it in the first place. All right, I'm done,
I'm off my soapbox about wall adhesive surface anchors. Right,

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But on glass which has no surface to damage, I
mean you could even use a little glass scraper and
clean it off. Or stone or metal surfaces that you
don't want to be drilling into. Then there you go,
and guess what those are The surfaces that they hold
to the very best for the very longest. All right,
moving on now into the final turn on our raceway,

(15:26):
our journey towards hanging things properly. I want to talk
about how high where on a wall to actually place
this stuff and are there any tools out there that
will help you significantly, because there is some. You know,

(15:46):
if you go to the most hardware stores of the
big box store, you're going to find at least one
or two what I would call as seen on TV
kind of like look at this hanging kit. Buy this kit.
Spend thirty dollars on this kit. It's the wonder hanging
kit and it will make hanging pictures perfectly, you know.
All right, we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM sixty.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
All right, hey, thanks for joining us on the program today.
We're having a good time here KFI AM six forty.
Your home, Dean Sharp the house whisper. I am finishing.
I apologize, I've been I've been going as in depth
as I can to give you all the info you
need on hanging stuff on your home, and I did
not get a chance to get back to the phones

(16:35):
if we left you on the line and you want
to call back next week, you get a free pass
to the front of the line. You just let our
producer know that you were on hold, left left, neglected
by Dean last week, and you know we'll put you
to the front of the line. See, we're, we're, we're

(16:55):
for everybody here. All right, let's let's get into the
final steps. Here. I've covered all the anchors. Now let's
talk about just a couple of items of the actual
process of hanging stuff on your wall. How high do
you hang a thing? Well, if it's a large, significant
kind of painting or piece of artwork or a photo.

(17:18):
Here's the Now, these are all guidelines, not rules, not laws,
not inviolable laws, just guidelines. Okay. This is how, for instance,
things are hung in art galleries to maximize your viewing
of said object. And that is very simply the center

(17:40):
of the item, from top to bottom, the center of
the item. You try and target it at eye level,
not your height, okay, eye level, eye level of those
So and if you live in a home with height
challenged people, we'll just put it that way. Shorties like

(18:01):
my wife's entire family, or taller people, and you want
to maximize the viewing pleasure of you said people in
your family, then you know what, measure everybody's height and
take an average and say, okay, this is where we're going.
But typically eye level for the average adult human being
is right about sixty inches, right in the high fifties,

(18:24):
right about sixty inches to the center of the item.
So there you go optimal viewing level. Now, if you're
doing a collage of a bunch of different frames and
photos all together in one clump, then try and get
the clump centered at eye level right, So it works
either way, whether it's just one item or a grouping

(18:47):
of items, try and get the grouping roughly at eye
level when you can. Now. The exception to this. One
of the exceptions to this is if you've got a
wall that the item is sharing with, maybe a door
or a window, right, so you may want to consider
may and again not a rule, but you may want

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to consider hanging that item with its top level to
the top of the other elements, like level to the
height of the window or the door. Or if there's
a pair of scance lights in the room, you may
want to align it to one of those immovable permanent features.

(19:28):
The key is you know, take a look at it
and see how it looks. And the most important part
of this is a rule that I've told you again
and again, and I'm going to apply it here as well.
From a design perspective. In the world of design and craftsmanship,
when it comes to aesthetics, you either want to get

(19:48):
it right on the money or miss it by a mile. Okay.
So in other words, if you're going to hang it
at the height of the door, like you've got a
frame that's going to go right next to a door,
and you're like, you know, I think it would be,
then get it right at the top of that doorcasing
right where that door's line is on the wall. Make

(20:09):
sure you get it boom right on the money, or
don't get close, miss it by several inches, lower, higher, whatever.
A near miss always looks like a mistake. So right
next to a door or a window and down a
half an inch or up one inch too high, that
looks like it's something wrong misaligned. So either hit it

(20:31):
right on the money or miss it by a mile.
Either is totally acceptable. Near misses always always look like
mistakes in colors, textures, in alignment of things. We just
don't close only is good for horseshoes, not for decor
inside a house. So miss it by a mile or

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hit it right on the money. Okay. How to measure
is challenge because it all has to do with where
the hanging exists on the back of the item. But basically,
have a good tape measure or a ruler on hands
so that you can estimate properly where the hanging point

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is in relationship to the top, bottom, or sides of
the item, and then account for that when you're actually
making marks on the wall. But I got to tell
you this, as far as the tools, okay, go here
is the very best hanging tool that you can acquire
for putting stuff up on your walls is a friend,

(21:37):
all right, somebody standing back giving them giving you their perspective,
or you standing back and them holding it on the
wall so that you can see how it works out right,
and you can make that that's just the best. Tina
and I always work together when we're hanging stuff in
a client's home or in our own home, right, So

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the best tool you can acquire for the day that
you're hanging important stuff is a friend. The second best
tool is blue masking tape. Blue masking tape is in
fact the thing that it has all the qualities that
I talked against when it came to surface anchors. Blue
masking tape does not have a strong adhesive. It does

(22:21):
not easily do damage to walls, nor does it stick
for very long. But that's to your advantage. Blue masking tape.
We use it all the time to draw out frames, pictures, doorways,
all sorts of stuff that we use to emulate shapes
on walls. And then we stand back and look at

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it and we're like, yeah, I think that'll work. No,
let's lower it down by about three inches. And then
you grab the tape and you pull it off, and
you lower it three inches down. You move it left
or right. Blue masking tape is your friend when it
comes to planning this out. Here's what you don't do, okay,
what you don't do is take a guess at it.

(23:02):
Put all the holes in the walls, put all the
hangers in place, hang all the stuff by yourself without
giving it any consideration as to whether or not you're
exactly where you should be, and then stand back and say, hey, babe,
come on in here, tell me if this is okay.
You've already made all these holes. What are you doing?

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Use and a simulation first, that's the point. So if
you have a friend or a partner with you, they
can hold it up. And if it's not too big,
they can hold these things in place. If it's a
lot of stuff, use the blue masking tape, or if
it's a big thing like a big screen TV or something,
use the blue masking tape on the wall and get

(23:43):
your concepts down so that you know, yeah, this is
where it's going. It's going right here, and then you
put your hangers in place properly measured from the top
of the tape and from the sides, and you're good
to go. All right, So a little planning, a little simulation,
a little emulation first before you commit to the hanging itself.

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And if there's multiple things being hung all the way
across the room and you want to get them all
at the same level, then an inexpensive laser would would
be really really useful as well. And nowadays an inexpensive
interior room leveling laser level you know, you can pick

(24:25):
those up for less than fifty bucks. And what they
do is they cast a beautifully level horizontal line all
the way around a room, on every surface without marking
or marring anything. And even if the line is not
exactly at the level where the image is going to
go where the thing that you're hanging on the wall is,
then everything measures up from that level or down from

(24:46):
that level perfectly to that same spot. And so laser
levels are fantastic little tools. But the tool that you
don't need is very likely that specialty wonder tool at
the hardware store or that claims that to buy this
thing and it will magically get all of your hanging right.
You don't need to do that. Don't waste your money

(25:07):
on that. Just understand the item that you're hanging, have
a friend or a partner with you, maybe a laser
level and some blue tape, and guess what, you're gonna
get it all done right. I guarantee it all right,
y'all when we come back. A couple of final thoughts
for that and a closing thought for you for the day.

(25:28):
So hang with us your Home with Dean Sharp the
house whisper.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM six forty.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Here we are at the end of another three hours
together I hope it has been useful to you. It
has been fun for us as well to have you
here with us. I hope you've learned some things about
what to do and what not to do when it
comes to hanging stuff inside your home. I know it's
just a small light thing, you know. We're not talking

(25:58):
about your concrete foundations or your roof or major architectural
design elements. The fact of the matter is the way
that we decorate our homes at the end of the
day is the stuff that we interact with constantly, and
it's no guarantee that people get it right just because
it's a lighter subject to deal with. So I'm glad

(26:18):
to spend the time with you doing that. Couple of
last things to talk to you about in regards to
this particular topic, and that is this, there are some
classic approaches to displaying things in your home that we
haven't mentioned that have nothing to do with making wall

(26:39):
holes in your wall. If you have a classic home,
a home that you're really really wanting to create that
classic ambiance with, if you've got a century home, an
older home, one hundred year old home with plaster walls,
and you know how hard it is to commit to
making holes in those walls, even if you do it

(27:00):
the right way. Okay, then how about this, how about
at the end of the day doing it old school?
And what do I mean by old school? I mean
that you install a molding in a room that is
in fact called a picture rail. What is a picture
rail molding? It goes near the top of the wall.
Sometimes it is in fact incorporated into crown molding. Sometimes

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it's a few inches just below the crown molding. It's
a decorative molding, but it is shaped in such a
way that a hook can be placed over the edge
of that molding, and then from there a silk rope,
or in a contemporary home, a wire cable coming down

(27:46):
that actually hangs the object on the wall. In other words,
all objects on the wall are being hung from the
picture rail. And this is something that is as old
as colonial and Victorian architecture. Knowing that expensive wallpapers back
in the day and thick, hard plaster walls are not

(28:08):
the ideal places to put holes in picture rail at
the top of the wall ensured that these things were
not being marred or damaged at all, because everything was
hanging down on its own attractive hangar from that rail
that is just as classic as it gets. And if
you think it has to be an older home, we

(28:28):
do it in ultra modern contemporary homes. In fact, galleries
will use picture rail. Now it's a metal rail. It
may be brass, it may be black. It may be
you know, some cool brushed stainless steel, very low profile
with wire or cable hangers coming down. Or it can

(28:49):
be all froofy and beautiful and ornate and victorian with
twisted you know, silk rods and little angry things, little
pump pums on the edge. It can all get really
really fancy or very very streamlined. But it is one solution.
And if it's your place and you want something super secure,

(29:11):
the other advantage of using a higher molding like that
is that the molding is definitely going to get attached
to the studs through the wall very very securely, and
it holds an awful lot of weight and so you
never have to worry about having something fall on you
in that regard. And then the last thing is sometimes

(29:32):
something super special just deserves to go on the mantle,
or buy an easel for it. If you've got room
in a room to display something that truly is a
focal point of attention, a beautiful painting or a family
photo or somebody special. Then place it on an easel
and make it a piece of furniture in the room.

(29:52):
All Right, there you go. That's what I got for
you today. And I thought I would leave you with
a closing thought. I, for whatever reason, have been thinking
a lot about being overwhelmed with information and distractions. And
maybe it's just it's a combination of the fact that
the world that we live in now, it's these phones

(30:15):
that we carry around with us constantly screaming at us,
every form of advertisement in media constantly coming at us.
And it's probably also election season and the fact that
it's all been ramped up that much more, and just
looking for quiet and centeredness. That's probably what led me
this morning as I was sitting by the fire pit,

(30:37):
just thinking about if there was anything I wanted to
say today to this thought. So based on that, I'm
going to leave you with this thought today. The greatest
gift any human has to give is their time and attention.
Think about that. That's because time and attention are what

(30:59):
we have the least of what we need the most.
And what we are all running out of things. Take time,
We give our time, We invest our time. We don't
want anything or anyone to waste our time. People want
our attention. They beg for our attention, they compete for it,

(31:23):
they fight for it. And to whomoever wins or earns
our attention, we will pay attention. Now listen to those
words take, give, invest, waste, want, beg for, compete for,
fight for win, earn pay. These are the words we

(31:44):
use around costly things. But here's another word, a devaluing,
losing word, perhaps right now, the most terrible word of
all distraction. So today, right now, you are in sole
possession and in control of a limited and dwindling resource

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that the whole world wants a piece of your time
and attention. Or perhaps I've overspoken. Perhaps you're not in
control of it. Perhaps the endless assault on your time
and attention has you lost and adrift in a sea
of distractions. How are you going to find your way home?

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There's no sense in hoping or waiting for the world
to quiet down. That ship has sailed. You're going to
have to take back your time, guard your time like
the precious thing that it is. You're going to have
to start giving great intention to who or what receives

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your attention, and it's not going to be easy. You
might even discover you're addicted to being distracted. You might
discover you don't like the company of your own thought
and feelings. Once you get there, I get it, I
feel you. But I'm here to remind you you possess
nothing more valuable, nothing more valuable. I write this for

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you and for me. We all need reminding. No one
masters this. All you can do is keep fighting for it.
And those who do choose to fight for and compete
for and win back their own time and their own attention.
Those people, and only those people, are gonna be the

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ones that can find their way back home. Those people,
and only those people, have the resources to build themselves
a beautiful life. And I'm gonna leave you with that
thought today, Give it some thought, enjoy this beautiful day
ahead of you, and we will see you right back
here next weekend. This has been Home with Dean Sharp

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the House Whisper. Tune into the live broadcast on KFI
AM six forty every Saturday morning from six to eight
Pacific time, and every Sunday morning from nine to noon
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