November 3, 2024 • 34 mins
When it comes to your home, details matter. Small things can make a BIG difference without breaking your budget. Paint, light fixtures, lamp replacement cords, flowers, cabinet pulls, doorknobs, area rugs, HVAC vents, even simple furniture changes can transform a room easily without costing you a lot of money. A caller asked Dean's advice on how much one should expect to pay for asbestos testing in floors and walls of a house built in the 70s.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The
House Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app. Welcome
to home Where. Every week we help you better understand
that place where you live. I am Dean Sharp, the
House Whisper here with you live like I am every
weekend Saturday morning, six to eight Pacific time, Sunday mornings
(00:25):
nine to noon Pacific time. Welcome to the show. Welcome
to the third hour of our little show. We're talking
about little things today, little details that matter in your home. Also,
you know what, I'm gonna go back to the phones
next break, So just so you know, we're not done
with calls yet today. If you're already on the line,
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you might want to hang tight. Otherwise. The number to
reach me eight three three two. Ask Dean. A three
three the numeral to ask Dean, and that can be
any question about anything that's going on with your home today.
A three three two, As Dean. We will go back
to the phones right after the next news break. All right,
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I'm still struggling with this frog in my throat, so
forgive me if I have a moment or two here, Uh,
I left you hanging at the end of the last segment,
I said, how does the fact that there are trims available,
lighting trims available for your recess can lights other than
the ones that you're staring up at right now, how
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does that become a detail that matters that can transform
your home. Well, I shared with you that the number
one rule of lighting design is that we light things,
not rooms things. And and of course we talked the sad,
sad story of most people's recess can lights just in
a big grid on the ceiling. So without moving those cans,
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how can we get them closer to the ideal? Well,
here is how we go out and we get a
new trim for that recess can light. That trim instead
of being a down light where it just straight down,
throws light down onto the floor, also producing glare as
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you look up to the ceiling because you see the
light source right with your eyeball there. Instead of that,
what we want is something like a gimbal. A gimbal
a gimbal is a movable They used to be called eyeballs,
but they don't look like eyeballs anymore, so we don't
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call them that. A gimbal is a movable, directional, pointable
light source. And yes, there is a gimbal trim for
the recess can light in your home. What that means
is that we can take those can lights that are
close to walls but pointing straight down where they shouldn't be,
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and we can use them to point them out at
the wall and wash the wall with light. You don't
need it down on the floor, you don't need it
directly on the sofa or the thing that you're sitting on.
You don't want it there. You want it bouncing off
the wall. Direct it over to the wall so that
it can light up the piece of art or the
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family photos, or whatever it is that's hanging light up
the fireplace brick or the stone work, there anything on
those walls that we want to feature. And so yes,
for a relatively low amount of money, you can go
and replace the trims in the recess can lights in
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your home, the down trims with directional wall washing gimbal trims.
Plug them in LED. If you've got LED, now they unplug.
There's a universal LED connector you can plug in the
new trims, slide it up into place, and boom. Now
we're creating romantic lighting, textured lighting, layered lighting, non glared
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lighting throughout your home. We've changed radically the look now,
maybe not one hundred percent of what we would do
if we had been there to help you lay out
those lights when they were first installed, but we can
get really really close to it. I mean, we can
get way over eighty percent better with your recess can
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lights by just utilizing a gimbal trim and or a snoot.
What is a snoot? A snoot is also a lighting
trim that has a little tube on it or a
controlled baffle. And this in the case if we really
have a piece of artwork that we want to accentuate
without washing the wall around it, a snoot is what
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essentially allows us to focus that light in a kind
of a spotlight form right onto the artwork without bleeding
to the wall around it, so that the art really
pops boom. So gimbals and snoots and baffles, oh my, yes,
this is how we transform that improperly designed but not
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improperly installed, but improperly designed recess lighting on your ceiling.
And by the way, while we're at it, one detail
that matters immensely throughout your home when it comes to
lighting dimmers, dimmer switches on everything, just about everything. Why,
because the light in your home is constantly changing, the
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light at night, the light in mid afternoon, the light
in the early morning, and your use of a space
is constantly changing. No more of just full on, full off.
That's all you get, this binary choice. It's a one
or a zero. It's just bright or it's dark. But control,
especially if we're throwing accent lighting now onto your walls.
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Control the amount of light, bring it down so that
we can see it, but it's not overblowing the room.
Lots of control. Lighting is theater, my friend. And the
more you can get theatrical level control on your lighting,
the better your house will look at all times. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Good? All right?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Our next step is into the world of carpentry, specifically
trim carpentry, and specifically moldings, though not so much where
moldings are or where moldings go, but how they come
to an end. The ends of moldings, the ends of
base boards when a baseboard comes to the end of
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a wall and doesn't just end in a corner, the
end of a crown molding when it has to be
interrupted by something in a ceiling, and so on and
so forth. How to end a molding. Well, it's probably
not the way it ends in your home, but we'll
talk about it right after.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Welcome home. Thanks for joining us on our fine little
program here on this beautiful beauty. Have you looked outside?
It is gorgeous outside. It's a beautiful southern California fall weekend.
It's cool, it's breezy. The air is just amazing. It's sunny.
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My gosh. We're getting out in the garden and doing
some fiddling around this afternoon. Why because we can and
because we must. That's definitely what's going on today, because
we got to get out in that. I went out
this morning with Tina, went to the gym early this morning.
I went out to a little three mile walk this morning,
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right as the sun was coming up. It was cold,
like well so cow cold. It was like forty something. Awesome,
It was awesome. What a great way to start the day. Anyway,
I hope you got plans to get out in this
today because it is waiting for you and it would
be a shame to miss it. Anyway, Thanks for being
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on the program with us. We're talking about details that matter.
But also I said that we were going to go
back to the phones, and now is the time to
do just that. I want to talk to Sean. Hey, Sean,
welcome home.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Idan. I had a question my house.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I see, I took up vinyl flooring and I didn't
realize that it had this backing that held to the
cement floor and it didn't look like a big deal,
and I let it go for about a.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Month or so. It turns out it's asbestos.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And I'm finding out that homes, homes in the seventies
and eighties might have asbestos. And I walked over it
a little bit, and I walked around maybe for a month,
and I tracked it on my carpet up and.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Stairs in the room.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
And now I'm under us like a Procedure five program
where they're going to charge me almost thirty thousand to
clean my house. And I thought, wow, does anybody know
about this stuff? Because all I knew about were popcorn
ceilings when it came to asbestos, and I just wondered
if you could give me some advice because it's coming up.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The the.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Abatement is coming up, and that's what's going to cost
me about thirty thousand.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All right, Well, advice number one is that have you
priced out competitively the abatement process for the home. Okay,
I can't tell you whether thirty thousand dollars is the
right I mean that's a lot of money, clearly, and
I know you're hurting. I feel you, man, I totally
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fail you. I don't know if thirty thousand dollars is
the right price or the best price, or even in
the ballpark, because it varies so much home to home,
square footage, conditions, all of that kind of stuff. The
only way, like so many areas in construction, that you're
going to know if you're getting a square price or
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not is whether or not you've had you know, two
or three companies take a look at it and all
give you pricing for it and get their input and
advice on it along the way. Then you'll know, because
then once you've got two or three qualified estimates, then
you'll know, well that one's out to lunch. These two
are within you know, a few couple hundred bucks of
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each other. This is clearly you know what this thing
should cost.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And so yeah, we did that, and they were I
did that and they were pretty they were very low
compared to the others. And now they're going to go
in and they say everything that's poorous, like all my clothes,
everything that's poorous. So this this all also takes in
mechanical things like blenders and microwaves, refrigerator and my new
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washer and dryer. Are saying all of that has to
go or or you can sign up on it and say,
I don't care if it has asbestos, and I don't
know what that leads to, but they're saying, yeah, everything
like that under this program is supposed to go.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, Well, you know, it's a sticky wicket. I don't
want to tell you that you should, you know, not
get rid of all of that stuff or have it
dealt with all right. I don't want to be the
one to tell you that. I'm not in a position
and qualified to tell you that. I will tell you
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this that when it comes to abatements, we do our
best to encapsulate, not abait Okay, Now, I know the
majority of the costs that you're talking about now is
in all of these poor surface objects and things like that.
I just want you to realize that the danger of
asbestos is breathing it in, Okay, it's It's not when
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it just lays there and stares at you. Okay, it
is inhalation, that's the problem. And so when asbestos is undisturbed, uh,
then when it's particular its particulates are not airborne, then
it is not a risk to anyone in any way,
shape or form. It is only as its carcinogenic effects
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when it is inhaled, when it is breathed in. So
when you disturb it and it goes airborne, which is
why as opposed to taking it out of a lot
of houses, a lot of popcorn ceilings and or vinyl floors,
we will encapsulate it, which means cover it up, cover
it over. That's, by the way, completely legal and acceptable
in every code and every jurisdiction because the concern is
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not we just need all asbestos to disappear from homes.
The concern is we want you protected from it. Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So I mean they did tell me about that that
it's typical to encase it.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But this is already I've already taken up the vinyl.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Flooring and it had a backing that was a felt backing,
and it looked just.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like the cement. It was just a very thin, thin.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Felt backing that glewed down hard to the cement. And
they said, when you walk over it, or even if
you just leave it there, it phrays. That means it
goes up into the air. And they the square footage
is they're saying, we're talking about floors, talking about walls,
talking about ceilings and all that's got to be wiped down.
And then they truck it away in special trucks and
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it's I've never heard of this, and.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You know it's so it hit me by it such
a surprise.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, So that's that's if it was any other thing,
I'll just tell you this. Because of the legalities surrounding it,
I hope I can communicate the essence of what I'm
trying to say without stepping over the line here. If
it was any other object, like cleaning dust out of
your house and something, I would tell those people hit
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the road.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Are you crazy? You are now telling me that somehow
magically I have tracked this onto every wall surface, every ceiling,
every bit of clothing in my closets, and then it's
all coming after me. Okay. It strains credulity to think
that that kind of exposure has happened because you have
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walked a few times across your exposed kitchen floor. Okay, Now,
I am not saying that it hasn't moved around some
or that the kitchen floor should not be addressed. But
the reason I'm holding back, my friend, is because you know,
it's a carcinogenic substance. And I don't want to put
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myself or KFI or any or you in the position
where we're making a decision that you know, based on
advice that I'm giving you to like, yeah, you ignore
the carcinogens in your home. You know I'm not telling
you to do that. But there has got to be
some limit to where this. I mean, asbestos is not
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a live Okay, it's not baby powder either. It doesn't
just creep and crawl and get everywhere waiting to be
disturbed again. But I am not the expert in and
so these are This is my concern. This is where
you've got me up against a place where I really
really want to tell you that they're going way further
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than what practically needs to happen. But I can't tell
you that because I don't want to put your your
health at risk by me being ignorant of the fact
that if you miss this one thing, boom there it happens.
But yeah, all I can tell you, Sean, all I
can tell you is that asbestos is not a powdery
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substance that just floats everywhere all the time once you've
disturbed it. Yes, there are controlled ways of taking care
of it. Yes, you want to be careful not to
make it airborne. Yes you want to encapsulate it or
abate it so that you don't come into contact with it.
But just disturbing some of it in one area of
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the house. Are we now saying that it's literally everywhere
and your life is in danger being in that house
if we don't wipe down every wall, every ceiling of.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
It.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Just man, it hurts. Better safe than sorry, Okay, but
yeah it hurts, And I feel you. I feel you.
I just don't want to I don't want to overstretch here.
I do not give advice here that ever that is iffy.
You know, I'm always usually very very confident in what
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I tell you to do when you do it, that
you'll at least be safe in the process. And this
is not my area of expertise. I mean, I've worked
with abatements a lot, but I am not an especimens
abatement contractor or an asbestos expert. But man, if you
were to ask me an encapsulation or abatement of my
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kitchen floor for thirty thousand dollars, I'd say that's insane. Okay,
But they're talking about wiping down every surface in the
entire house. That is something I've never had to send
a client through that before, and to me, it just
seems extreme. It just seems extreme. But man, I feel you.
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I feel you don't know what to tell you. Man,
You've you've kind of stumped me on that one. Sean,
all right, y'all when we come back. Details that matter.
I feel bad that I can't give him more direction,
But it's a sticky wicket asbestos details that matter when
we return.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
We're talking about details that matter. Details do matter in
your home. Every ask anybody the hospitality industry how much
detail matters, and they will tell you, Oh, it's the
game that is the game right there. Details how much
service you get a smile on a server's face, versus
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you know, a frown or a grimace being greeted by name.
Just these little things. But layer upon layer upon layer, man,
they'll just change everything. They'll change everything. I can't tell
you how many times we have We've gone to like
a restaurant and Tina has walked away saying, I just
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love that place. They are the nicest people there. It's like, well,
you know, we also went for the food. Well, the food,
of course was great, because it's prepared with the same
kind of detailed care as you have in the front
of house, you know, staff service. But the point is
detailing the details in life. This is the thing that
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gets missed out. It was absolutely, without question overlooked when
your classic tracked home was built. There are a few
details here and there, but not many, because tracked homes
are built in you know, large strokes, broad swaths of idea.
And so now now that you're there, now that you've
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got control, now that you've decided to make it your
place and you own this thing, or whether you're just
living in a condo or renting an apartment, these are
the kinds of things that, without breaking the bank, can
make a big, big difference in your daily experience of
this space and everybody else's as well. So there you go.
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All right, back to the list. I promised you that
we would now address something. I don't know if I've
got another thing on the list that fits into this,
but nevertheless, we're going to move into the area of
finished carpentry here for moment moldings. There's probably as a
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as a carpenter myself. There are very few things that
unnerve me, kind of like make my head go sideways
twitch when I see a molding that has been ended
inappropriately at the end of a wall. There are a
lot of reasons why sometimes a baseboard has to run
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out and then just come to an end. And I
don't mean it runs into a thing. That's easy. You
just run it into a thing and then you cut
it as it hits the other item inside corner of
a wall or a piece of furniture or what have you.
But now I'm talking about these moldings that will run
and that have to just end near the end of
a wall, but not quite. They don't turn a corner,
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they don't do whatever their ends are exposed. How do
you end a molding? All right, I'm just gonna resolve
this once and for all. Well, first of all, i'll
tell you how not to what Number one. You don't
just ninety degree end cut it, stick it up there
and let it be. No, you don't because the back
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of a molding has a hollowed out cut in it,
and you'll see that from the side. So which leads
us to number two. You don't just ninety degree end
cut it and then use caulking like on a slant
to end out that molding. That's not right either. That's
even worse, if that's even possible, it's worse. Now, this
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is how you end a molding, and there is never
ever an excuse not to do it this way other
than somebody didn't take the time. Now, if you ran
some moldings in your house and you just didn't know, okay,
I'm going to give you that excuse. But for a
carpenter not to do this properly, it's you know, it's unforgivable.
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So here's how you end a molding. You know that
when you come out around an outside corner, you make
a miter cut on a molding, right, a little forty
five degree angle, and then a forty five degree angle
on the next piece and they join at the corner.
Inside corners, you've got an inside miner cut outside corner,
you have an outside miner cut where the two join up.
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And it's a very very lovely connection when they line
up just right, because not only does the molding just
continue whip right around the corner, but also on an
outside corner, you get to see the profile of the molding,
whatever's going on with it, whatever little details they're kind
of visible. It's a little bit of a sculpted profile
visible on that outside corner. Well, imagine that we're gonna
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make an outside corner cut on our molding as we
have to end. It just comes to an end without
connecting to anything else. That's exactly what we do. We
make an outside corner miter, a little forty five degree
miter cut on the end of that molding, and then
we take another little piece of molding and we're gonna
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make another the opposite out side corner molding cut there
on that one, all right, So that as if we
were going to go around a corner, turning a corner,
but we're not turning a corner, we're running into the wall.
So the second piece of molding that you just cut
with that outside corner angle on it. We're going to
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put that under the saw again, and we're literally now
going to make a straight end cut right down where
that outside angle comes to an end. I mean, it's
a tiny little sliver of molding that you end up with.
You should, if you've cut it properly, end up with
a tiny little sliver of molding with a forty five
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degree angle on it that is only its length, is
only the width of the molding board that you're ending.
That's it. Like, how in the world am I supposed
to nail that in? If I nail it, I will crack.
You don't nail it in. You take a little bit
of wood glue, and you put a little on the
surface of the existing molding face and a little bit
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on the surface of this tiny little piece, and you
shove it in there. You can use a little masking
tape temporarily to hold it in place if you need to.
You shove it in there, clean up the excess glue
that has spilled out of the joint, and you walk away,
and you come back fifteen minutes later, and you take
the tape off, and you have a beautiful molding that
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has self terminated at the end of the wall. Who
I took a whole segment to explain that. That was
a long explanation. But here's why it's so important. The
finished carpentry in your house is a prime example of
the details that people see that you see that ascend
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a signal somebody cared or somebody just threw this thing
up at seventy miles an hour and just kept moving on.
And this is such that idea. I believe me. I
know this, having been aske to run thousands upon thousands
of feet of molding. You have to pause, You have
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to take the effort to do this, and it interrupts
your workflow, and you really want to get this thing done.
But to do it right, you got to do it
this way. And those who do it these are the
people who know what they're doing because the results are beautiful. Okay,
there you go. All right, A couple more thoughts when
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we come back, and a closing thought for the day.
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Welcome home. Here we are at the end of another
three hours together. I am so grateful that you've chosen
to spend the time. I hope that the tips, the tricks,
the insights were inspiring to you, and I hope they
got you thinking, at least bare minimum about the tails
in your home. A couple of more things to share
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with you before we are out of here today. Of course,
here's a detail. I don't want to dilabor the delabor,
belabor the point, but I'm just gonna say it. Clear
your clutter. Just clear out the clutter. We all have
too much stuff, period the end. Nothing says I have
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no vision for my home like having too much stuff
in a room. Just it's just the truth, Okay, because
you're all over the place. And I don't mean those
of you who are brilliantly eclectic, and I think most
people who struggle with hoarding things think of themselves as
brilliantly eclectic. But I'm just saying, clear out the clutter.
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Cluttered people, This is not a clear vision for any
room in the house. So this is the way I'll
put it. This way, It's on the Deep Tails Matters
list because sometimes you need. The best thing you can
do for a room is remove details, too many of
them around. Okay. Another thing that I want you to
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think about is not just visual elements, but details when
it comes to the other senses all right, textures and
especially scent and sound when it comes to experiencing a space.
So candles, especially this time of year. Right, you've got
full permission this time of year to have scented candles
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going on all around a house. Tina and I need
to replace one of our favorite apple based candles that
just ended yesterday where you I know it's gone now,
so we've got to get a replacement for it. We
roasted some apples. We just roasted apples in the oven
last night. Unbelievable how it made the house smell incredible.
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So don't underestimate the power of scent. It elicits so
much memory in us. There's nothing in our senses that
to strike at memory better than aroma's right. And then sound,
you know, if you don't have running water around the house,
then you can introduce it through apps like nature Space,
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one of my favorite apps. Look it up on your
mobile device or your phone. Nature Space beautiful, beautiful, not contrived,
natural sounds, soundtracks that just roll and not in some
short little loop where you detect a pattern. But like
hours as it rolls, So capture all the senses, clear
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the clutter. Last thing I'm gonna tell you for this
is make your house meaningful. And when I say that,
I mean no props. Okay, no props in a house.
Demand of yourself and of your home that every item
that you put on display in your house has some
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kind of meaning to it. Does that make sense? Some
kind of meaning that means? Don't display books that you
can't talk about. When I was younger in my career,
I was talking to Amy King about this Friday morning
when I was younger in my career and just you know,
how to impress everybody and just do whatever any client wanted,
you know. And I was still I was working in
a state level home. So people are like, well, Dean,
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we're gonna I want you to build me a library.
And I'm like, okay, show me the books. I was like, well,
we haven't got the books yet, but that we want
you to shop the books out too, And and you know,
I I was young and just willing to please and
not the old cantankerous guy that I am now. And
and so I'm like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have
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filled so many personal libraries with so many books, and
you know what, they're just all props because these are
books that they look they give you the impression when
you walk in like wow, this person is well read,
very intellectual, very traveled, and yeah, no, no, no, I
bought those books. So when it comes to books in
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your home, don't display books that you can't have. No
book in your home that you can't pull off the
shelf and have a conversation about. You don't have to
have a memorized but just say, oh yeah, let me
tell you about that story. Keep it real, That's what
I'm saying. You really want to live in a beautiful home,
not just a designer house, a beautiful home, then keep
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it real. Okay, no props, No books that you can't
talk about. Don't display anything that doesn't have a story
behind it. Be guided by this quote from William Morris,
a great, great designer and textile famous textile and wallpaper
designer from the late eighteen hundreds. He said this, it's
one of the guiding principles. Have nothing in your house
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that you do not know to be useful or believe
to be beautiful. Period, end of story. And that's a
great way of capping off the idea that details matter,
because they do. All right, I got just enough time
to leave you with a thought today. So here we go.
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Here we are. It's election week in America. You know
you know that I don't talk politics here, aren't you glad?
Aren't you glad about that? That is not what we
are here for? And I, for one am very happy
about that fact. But we do talk about our humanity here,
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because that's what a home is all about. So I'm
going to take advantage of this being election week to
share with you one non political, nonpartisan perspective, and it's this.
As important as voting is, and it is obviously extremely important,
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the heart of democracy is not about voting, or free
speech or any of the other rights that we hold dear, No,
because democracy is people powered, which, by the way, is
what that word democracy means, people powered, not person powered
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people e pluribus many. Okay. So, because democracy is people powered,
what lies at its very heart is not a right
or a list of rights at all, but rather a responsibility.
And no, it's not the responsibility to vote. It is
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the responsibility to listen. Because we're all in this together.
What lies at the heart of a successful democracy is empathy,
the ability to walk a mile in another person's moccasins.
Along those lines, I read a quote this week and
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its need so deeply with me that I wanted to
share it with you. It said this, Democracies die not
only when people are not free to talk, but more
often when people are not able or willing to listen.
The problem with democracy in America right now, in my opinion,
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is not that enough people are taking up their right
to talk. It's that not enough people are taking up
their responsibility to listen to each other. So there you go,
just a thought, So this week, maybe take some deep breaths.
We all need that. Maybe unclench your fist a little,
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argue a little less, listen a little more, walk a
mile in another person's moccasins, and then course vote, and
then get back to getting busy building yourself a beautiful
and we will see you right back here next weekend.
Have a great Sunday afternoon. This has been Home with
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Dean Sharp the House Whisper. Tune into the live broadcast
on KFI AM six forty every Saturday morning from six
to eight Pacific time, and every Sunday morning from nine
to noon Pacific time or anytime on demand on the
iHeartRadio app.
KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The
House Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app. Welcome
to home Where. Every week we help you better understand
that place where you live. I am Dean Sharp, the
House Whisper here with you live like I am every
weekend Saturday morning, six to eight Pacific time, Sunday mornings
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nine to noon Pacific time. Welcome to the show. Welcome
to the third hour of our little show. We're talking
about little things today, little details that matter in your home. Also,
you know what, I'm gonna go back to the phones
next break, So just so you know, we're not done
with calls yet today. If you're already on the line,
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you might want to hang tight. Otherwise. The number to
reach me eight three three two. Ask Dean. A three
three the numeral to ask Dean, and that can be
any question about anything that's going on with your home today.
A three three two, As Dean. We will go back
to the phones right after the next news break. All right,
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I'm still struggling with this frog in my throat, so
forgive me if I have a moment or two here, Uh,
I left you hanging at the end of the last segment,
I said, how does the fact that there are trims available,
lighting trims available for your recess can lights other than
the ones that you're staring up at right now, how
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does that become a detail that matters that can transform
your home. Well, I shared with you that the number
one rule of lighting design is that we light things,
not rooms things. And and of course we talked the sad,
sad story of most people's recess can lights just in
a big grid on the ceiling. So without moving those cans,
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how can we get them closer to the ideal? Well,
here is how we go out and we get a
new trim for that recess can light. That trim instead
of being a down light where it just straight down,
throws light down onto the floor, also producing glare as
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you look up to the ceiling because you see the
light source right with your eyeball there. Instead of that,
what we want is something like a gimbal. A gimbal
a gimbal is a movable They used to be called eyeballs,
but they don't look like eyeballs anymore, so we don't
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call them that. A gimbal is a movable, directional, pointable
light source. And yes, there is a gimbal trim for
the recess can light in your home. What that means
is that we can take those can lights that are
close to walls but pointing straight down where they shouldn't be,
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and we can use them to point them out at
the wall and wash the wall with light. You don't
need it down on the floor, you don't need it
directly on the sofa or the thing that you're sitting on.
You don't want it there. You want it bouncing off
the wall. Direct it over to the wall so that
it can light up the piece of art or the
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family photos, or whatever it is that's hanging light up
the fireplace brick or the stone work, there anything on
those walls that we want to feature. And so yes,
for a relatively low amount of money, you can go
and replace the trims in the recess can lights in
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your home, the down trims with directional wall washing gimbal trims.
Plug them in LED. If you've got LED, now they unplug.
There's a universal LED connector you can plug in the
new trims, slide it up into place, and boom. Now
we're creating romantic lighting, textured lighting, layered lighting, non glared
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lighting throughout your home. We've changed radically the look now,
maybe not one hundred percent of what we would do
if we had been there to help you lay out
those lights when they were first installed, but we can
get really really close to it. I mean, we can
get way over eighty percent better with your recess can
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lights by just utilizing a gimbal trim and or a snoot.
What is a snoot? A snoot is also a lighting
trim that has a little tube on it or a
controlled baffle. And this in the case if we really
have a piece of artwork that we want to accentuate
without washing the wall around it, a snoot is what
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essentially allows us to focus that light in a kind
of a spotlight form right onto the artwork without bleeding
to the wall around it, so that the art really
pops boom. So gimbals and snoots and baffles, oh my, yes,
this is how we transform that improperly designed but not
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improperly installed, but improperly designed recess lighting on your ceiling.
And by the way, while we're at it, one detail
that matters immensely throughout your home when it comes to
lighting dimmers, dimmer switches on everything, just about everything. Why,
because the light in your home is constantly changing, the
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light at night, the light in mid afternoon, the light
in the early morning, and your use of a space
is constantly changing. No more of just full on, full off.
That's all you get, this binary choice. It's a one
or a zero. It's just bright or it's dark. But control,
especially if we're throwing accent lighting now onto your walls.
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Control the amount of light, bring it down so that
we can see it, but it's not overblowing the room.
Lots of control. Lighting is theater, my friend. And the
more you can get theatrical level control on your lighting,
the better your house will look at all times. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Good? All right?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Our next step is into the world of carpentry, specifically
trim carpentry, and specifically moldings, though not so much where
moldings are or where moldings go, but how they come
to an end. The ends of moldings, the ends of
base boards when a baseboard comes to the end of
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a wall and doesn't just end in a corner, the
end of a crown molding when it has to be
interrupted by something in a ceiling, and so on and
so forth. How to end a molding. Well, it's probably
not the way it ends in your home, but we'll
talk about it right after.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Welcome home. Thanks for joining us on our fine little
program here on this beautiful beauty. Have you looked outside?
It is gorgeous outside. It's a beautiful southern California fall weekend.
It's cool, it's breezy. The air is just amazing. It's sunny.
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My gosh. We're getting out in the garden and doing
some fiddling around this afternoon. Why because we can and
because we must. That's definitely what's going on today, because
we got to get out in that. I went out
this morning with Tina, went to the gym early this morning.
I went out to a little three mile walk this morning,
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right as the sun was coming up. It was cold,
like well so cow cold. It was like forty something. Awesome,
It was awesome. What a great way to start the day. Anyway,
I hope you got plans to get out in this
today because it is waiting for you and it would
be a shame to miss it. Anyway, Thanks for being
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on the program with us. We're talking about details that matter.
But also I said that we were going to go
back to the phones, and now is the time to
do just that. I want to talk to Sean. Hey, Sean,
welcome home.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Idan. I had a question my house.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I see, I took up vinyl flooring and I didn't
realize that it had this backing that held to the
cement floor and it didn't look like a big deal,
and I let it go for about a.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Month or so. It turns out it's asbestos.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And I'm finding out that homes, homes in the seventies
and eighties might have asbestos. And I walked over it
a little bit, and I walked around maybe for a month,
and I tracked it on my carpet up and.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Stairs in the room.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
And now I'm under us like a Procedure five program
where they're going to charge me almost thirty thousand to
clean my house. And I thought, wow, does anybody know
about this stuff? Because all I knew about were popcorn
ceilings when it came to asbestos, and I just wondered
if you could give me some advice because it's coming up.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The the.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Abatement is coming up, and that's what's going to cost
me about thirty thousand.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All right, Well, advice number one is that have you
priced out competitively the abatement process for the home. Okay,
I can't tell you whether thirty thousand dollars is the
right I mean that's a lot of money, clearly, and
I know you're hurting. I feel you, man, I totally
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fail you. I don't know if thirty thousand dollars is
the right price or the best price, or even in
the ballpark, because it varies so much home to home,
square footage, conditions, all of that kind of stuff. The
only way, like so many areas in construction, that you're
going to know if you're getting a square price or
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not is whether or not you've had you know, two
or three companies take a look at it and all
give you pricing for it and get their input and
advice on it along the way. Then you'll know, because
then once you've got two or three qualified estimates, then
you'll know, well that one's out to lunch. These two
are within you know, a few couple hundred bucks of
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each other. This is clearly you know what this thing
should cost.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And so yeah, we did that, and they were I
did that and they were pretty they were very low
compared to the others. And now they're going to go
in and they say everything that's poorous, like all my clothes,
everything that's poorous. So this this all also takes in
mechanical things like blenders and microwaves, refrigerator and my new
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washer and dryer. Are saying all of that has to
go or or you can sign up on it and say,
I don't care if it has asbestos, and I don't
know what that leads to, but they're saying, yeah, everything
like that under this program is supposed to go.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, Well, you know, it's a sticky wicket. I don't
want to tell you that you should, you know, not
get rid of all of that stuff or have it
dealt with all right. I don't want to be the
one to tell you that. I'm not in a position
and qualified to tell you that. I will tell you
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this that when it comes to abatements, we do our
best to encapsulate, not abait Okay, Now, I know the
majority of the costs that you're talking about now is
in all of these poor surface objects and things like that.
I just want you to realize that the danger of
asbestos is breathing it in, Okay, it's It's not when
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it just lays there and stares at you. Okay, it
is inhalation, that's the problem. And so when asbestos is undisturbed, uh,
then when it's particular its particulates are not airborne, then
it is not a risk to anyone in any way,
shape or form. It is only as its carcinogenic effects
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when it is inhaled, when it is breathed in. So
when you disturb it and it goes airborne, which is
why as opposed to taking it out of a lot
of houses, a lot of popcorn ceilings and or vinyl floors,
we will encapsulate it, which means cover it up, cover
it over. That's, by the way, completely legal and acceptable
in every code and every jurisdiction because the concern is
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not we just need all asbestos to disappear from homes.
The concern is we want you protected from it. Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
So I mean they did tell me about that that
it's typical to encase it.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
But this is already I've already taken up the vinyl.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Flooring and it had a backing that was a felt backing,
and it looked just.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like the cement. It was just a very thin, thin.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Felt backing that glewed down hard to the cement. And
they said, when you walk over it, or even if
you just leave it there, it phrays. That means it
goes up into the air. And they the square footage
is they're saying, we're talking about floors, talking about walls,
talking about ceilings and all that's got to be wiped down.
And then they truck it away in special trucks and
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it's I've never heard of this, and.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You know it's so it hit me by it such
a surprise.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, So that's that's if it was any other thing,
I'll just tell you this. Because of the legalities surrounding it,
I hope I can communicate the essence of what I'm
trying to say without stepping over the line here. If
it was any other object, like cleaning dust out of
your house and something, I would tell those people hit
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the road.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Jack.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Are you crazy? You are now telling me that somehow
magically I have tracked this onto every wall surface, every ceiling,
every bit of clothing in my closets, and then it's
all coming after me. Okay. It strains credulity to think
that that kind of exposure has happened because you have
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walked a few times across your exposed kitchen floor. Okay, Now,
I am not saying that it hasn't moved around some
or that the kitchen floor should not be addressed. But
the reason I'm holding back, my friend, is because you know,
it's a carcinogenic substance. And I don't want to put
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myself or KFI or any or you in the position
where we're making a decision that you know, based on
advice that I'm giving you to like, yeah, you ignore
the carcinogens in your home. You know I'm not telling
you to do that. But there has got to be
some limit to where this. I mean, asbestos is not
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a live Okay, it's not baby powder either. It doesn't
just creep and crawl and get everywhere waiting to be
disturbed again. But I am not the expert in and
so these are This is my concern. This is where
you've got me up against a place where I really
really want to tell you that they're going way further
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than what practically needs to happen. But I can't tell
you that because I don't want to put your your
health at risk by me being ignorant of the fact
that if you miss this one thing, boom there it happens.
But yeah, all I can tell you, Sean, all I
can tell you is that asbestos is not a powdery
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substance that just floats everywhere all the time once you've
disturbed it. Yes, there are controlled ways of taking care
of it. Yes, you want to be careful not to
make it airborne. Yes you want to encapsulate it or
abate it so that you don't come into contact with it.
But just disturbing some of it in one area of
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the house. Are we now saying that it's literally everywhere
and your life is in danger being in that house
if we don't wipe down every wall, every ceiling of.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
It.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Just man, it hurts. Better safe than sorry, Okay, but
yeah it hurts, And I feel you. I feel you.
I just don't want to I don't want to overstretch here.
I do not give advice here that ever that is iffy.
You know, I'm always usually very very confident in what
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I tell you to do when you do it, that
you'll at least be safe in the process. And this
is not my area of expertise. I mean, I've worked
with abatements a lot, but I am not an especimens
abatement contractor or an asbestos expert. But man, if you
were to ask me an encapsulation or abatement of my
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kitchen floor for thirty thousand dollars, I'd say that's insane. Okay,
But they're talking about wiping down every surface in the
entire house. That is something I've never had to send
a client through that before, and to me, it just
seems extreme. It just seems extreme. But man, I feel you.
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I feel you don't know what to tell you. Man,
You've you've kind of stumped me on that one. Sean,
all right, y'all when we come back. Details that matter.
I feel bad that I can't give him more direction,
But it's a sticky wicket asbestos details that matter when
we return.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
We're talking about details that matter. Details do matter in
your home. Every ask anybody the hospitality industry how much
detail matters, and they will tell you, Oh, it's the
game that is the game right there. Details how much
service you get a smile on a server's face, versus
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you know, a frown or a grimace being greeted by name.
Just these little things. But layer upon layer upon layer, man,
they'll just change everything. They'll change everything. I can't tell
you how many times we have We've gone to like
a restaurant and Tina has walked away saying, I just
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love that place. They are the nicest people there. It's like, well,
you know, we also went for the food. Well, the food,
of course was great, because it's prepared with the same
kind of detailed care as you have in the front
of house, you know, staff service. But the point is
detailing the details in life. This is the thing that
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gets missed out. It was absolutely, without question overlooked when
your classic tracked home was built. There are a few
details here and there, but not many, because tracked homes
are built in you know, large strokes, broad swaths of idea.
And so now now that you're there, now that you've
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got control, now that you've decided to make it your
place and you own this thing, or whether you're just
living in a condo or renting an apartment, these are
the kinds of things that, without breaking the bank, can
make a big, big difference in your daily experience of
this space and everybody else's as well. So there you go.
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All right, back to the list. I promised you that
we would now address something. I don't know if I've
got another thing on the list that fits into this,
but nevertheless, we're going to move into the area of
finished carpentry here for moment moldings. There's probably as a
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as a carpenter myself. There are very few things that
unnerve me, kind of like make my head go sideways
twitch when I see a molding that has been ended
inappropriately at the end of a wall. There are a
lot of reasons why sometimes a baseboard has to run
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out and then just come to an end. And I
don't mean it runs into a thing. That's easy. You
just run it into a thing and then you cut
it as it hits the other item inside corner of
a wall or a piece of furniture or what have you.
But now I'm talking about these moldings that will run
and that have to just end near the end of
a wall, but not quite. They don't turn a corner,
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they don't do whatever their ends are exposed. How do
you end a molding? All right, I'm just gonna resolve
this once and for all. Well, first of all, i'll
tell you how not to what Number one. You don't
just ninety degree end cut it, stick it up there
and let it be. No, you don't because the back
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of a molding has a hollowed out cut in it,
and you'll see that from the side. So which leads
us to number two. You don't just ninety degree end
cut it and then use caulking like on a slant
to end out that molding. That's not right either. That's
even worse, if that's even possible, it's worse. Now, this
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is how you end a molding, and there is never
ever an excuse not to do it this way other
than somebody didn't take the time. Now, if you ran
some moldings in your house and you just didn't know, okay,
I'm going to give you that excuse. But for a
carpenter not to do this properly, it's you know, it's unforgivable.
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So here's how you end a molding. You know that
when you come out around an outside corner, you make
a miter cut on a molding, right, a little forty
five degree angle, and then a forty five degree angle
on the next piece and they join at the corner.
Inside corners, you've got an inside miner cut outside corner,
you have an outside miner cut where the two join up.
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And it's a very very lovely connection when they line
up just right, because not only does the molding just
continue whip right around the corner, but also on an
outside corner, you get to see the profile of the molding,
whatever's going on with it, whatever little details they're kind
of visible. It's a little bit of a sculpted profile
visible on that outside corner. Well, imagine that we're gonna
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make an outside corner cut on our molding as we
have to end. It just comes to an end without
connecting to anything else. That's exactly what we do. We
make an outside corner miter, a little forty five degree
miter cut on the end of that molding, and then
we take another little piece of molding and we're gonna
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make another the opposite out side corner molding cut there
on that one, all right, So that as if we
were going to go around a corner, turning a corner,
but we're not turning a corner, we're running into the wall.
So the second piece of molding that you just cut
with that outside corner angle on it. We're going to
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put that under the saw again, and we're literally now
going to make a straight end cut right down where
that outside angle comes to an end. I mean, it's
a tiny little sliver of molding that you end up with.
You should, if you've cut it properly, end up with
a tiny little sliver of molding with a forty five
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degree angle on it that is only its length, is
only the width of the molding board that you're ending.
That's it. Like, how in the world am I supposed
to nail that in? If I nail it, I will crack.
You don't nail it in. You take a little bit
of wood glue, and you put a little on the
surface of the existing molding face and a little bit
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on the surface of this tiny little piece, and you
shove it in there. You can use a little masking
tape temporarily to hold it in place if you need to.
You shove it in there, clean up the excess glue
that has spilled out of the joint, and you walk away,
and you come back fifteen minutes later, and you take
the tape off, and you have a beautiful molding that
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has self terminated at the end of the wall. Who
I took a whole segment to explain that. That was
a long explanation. But here's why it's so important. The
finished carpentry in your house is a prime example of
the details that people see that you see that ascend
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a signal somebody cared or somebody just threw this thing
up at seventy miles an hour and just kept moving on.
And this is such that idea. I believe me. I
know this, having been aske to run thousands upon thousands
of feet of molding. You have to pause, You have
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to take the effort to do this, and it interrupts
your workflow, and you really want to get this thing done.
But to do it right, you got to do it
this way. And those who do it these are the
people who know what they're doing because the results are beautiful. Okay,
there you go. All right, A couple more thoughts when
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we come back, and a closing thought for the day.
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
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Speaker 1 (25:42):
Welcome home. Here we are at the end of another
three hours together. I am so grateful that you've chosen
to spend the time. I hope that the tips, the tricks,
the insights were inspiring to you, and I hope they
got you thinking, at least bare minimum about the tails
in your home. A couple of more things to share
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with you before we are out of here today. Of course,
here's a detail. I don't want to dilabor the delabor,
belabor the point, but I'm just gonna say it. Clear
your clutter. Just clear out the clutter. We all have
too much stuff, period the end. Nothing says I have
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no vision for my home like having too much stuff
in a room. Just it's just the truth, Okay, because
you're all over the place. And I don't mean those
of you who are brilliantly eclectic, and I think most
people who struggle with hoarding things think of themselves as
brilliantly eclectic. But I'm just saying, clear out the clutter.
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Cluttered people, This is not a clear vision for any
room in the house. So this is the way I'll
put it. This way, It's on the Deep Tails Matters
list because sometimes you need. The best thing you can
do for a room is remove details, too many of
them around. Okay. Another thing that I want you to
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think about is not just visual elements, but details when
it comes to the other senses all right, textures and
especially scent and sound when it comes to experiencing a space.
So candles, especially this time of year. Right, you've got
full permission this time of year to have scented candles
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going on all around a house. Tina and I need
to replace one of our favorite apple based candles that
just ended yesterday where you I know it's gone now,
so we've got to get a replacement for it. We
roasted some apples. We just roasted apples in the oven
last night. Unbelievable how it made the house smell incredible.
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So don't underestimate the power of scent. It elicits so
much memory in us. There's nothing in our senses that
to strike at memory better than aroma's right. And then sound,
you know, if you don't have running water around the house,
then you can introduce it through apps like nature Space,
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one of my favorite apps. Look it up on your
mobile device or your phone. Nature Space beautiful, beautiful, not contrived,
natural sounds, soundtracks that just roll and not in some
short little loop where you detect a pattern. But like
hours as it rolls, So capture all the senses, clear
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the clutter. Last thing I'm gonna tell you for this
is make your house meaningful. And when I say that,
I mean no props. Okay, no props in a house.
Demand of yourself and of your home that every item
that you put on display in your house has some
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kind of meaning to it. Does that make sense? Some
kind of meaning that means? Don't display books that you
can't talk about. When I was younger in my career,
I was talking to Amy King about this Friday morning
when I was younger in my career and just you know,
how to impress everybody and just do whatever any client wanted,
you know. And I was still I was working in
a state level home. So people are like, well, Dean,
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we're gonna I want you to build me a library.
And I'm like, okay, show me the books. I was like, well,
we haven't got the books yet, but that we want
you to shop the books out too, And and you know,
I I was young and just willing to please and
not the old cantankerous guy that I am now. And
and so I'm like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have
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filled so many personal libraries with so many books, and
you know what, they're just all props because these are
books that they look they give you the impression when
you walk in like wow, this person is well read,
very intellectual, very traveled, and yeah, no, no, no, I
bought those books. So when it comes to books in
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your home, don't display books that you can't have. No
book in your home that you can't pull off the
shelf and have a conversation about. You don't have to
have a memorized but just say, oh yeah, let me
tell you about that story. Keep it real, That's what
I'm saying. You really want to live in a beautiful home,
not just a designer house, a beautiful home, then keep
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it real. Okay, no props, No books that you can't
talk about. Don't display anything that doesn't have a story
behind it. Be guided by this quote from William Morris,
a great, great designer and textile famous textile and wallpaper
designer from the late eighteen hundreds. He said this, it's
one of the guiding principles. Have nothing in your house
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that you do not know to be useful or believe
to be beautiful. Period, end of story. And that's a
great way of capping off the idea that details matter,
because they do. All right, I got just enough time
to leave you with a thought today. So here we go.
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Here we are. It's election week in America. You know
you know that I don't talk politics here, aren't you glad?
Aren't you glad about that? That is not what we
are here for? And I, for one am very happy
about that fact. But we do talk about our humanity here,
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because that's what a home is all about. So I'm
going to take advantage of this being election week to
share with you one non political, nonpartisan perspective, and it's this.
As important as voting is, and it is obviously extremely important,
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the heart of democracy is not about voting, or free
speech or any of the other rights that we hold dear, No,
because democracy is people powered, which, by the way, is
what that word democracy means, people powered, not person powered
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people e pluribus many. Okay. So, because democracy is people powered,
what lies at its very heart is not a right
or a list of rights at all, but rather a responsibility.
And no, it's not the responsibility to vote. It is
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the responsibility to listen. Because we're all in this together.
What lies at the heart of a successful democracy is empathy,
the ability to walk a mile in another person's moccasins.
Along those lines, I read a quote this week and
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its need so deeply with me that I wanted to
share it with you. It said this, Democracies die not
only when people are not free to talk, but more
often when people are not able or willing to listen.
The problem with democracy in America right now, in my opinion,
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is not that enough people are taking up their right
to talk. It's that not enough people are taking up
their responsibility to listen to each other. So there you go,
just a thought, So this week, maybe take some deep breaths.
We all need that. Maybe unclench your fist a little,
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argue a little less, listen a little more, walk a
mile in another person's moccasins, and then course vote, and
then get back to getting busy building yourself a beautiful
and we will see you right back here next weekend.
Have a great Sunday afternoon. This has been Home with
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Dean Sharp the House Whisper. Tune into the live broadcast
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