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December 10, 2025 33 mins

The Supreme Court’s liberal minority has voted, over and over again, to oppose the court’s conservative majority in what might look like a united front of resistance. But behind the scenes, there are growing tensions between those liberal justices over the best way to mitigate the rightward lurch of the court.

Jodi Kantor, who uncovered the story, explains what she found.

Guest: Jodi Kantor, a New York Times reporter whose job is to carefully uncover secrets and illuminate how power operates.

Background reading: 

  • Read about the debate dividing the Supreme Court’s liberal justices.

Photo: Fred Schilling/Collection of the Supreme Court of the United States, via Associated Press

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