April 7, 2024 • 16 mins
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Earth Day Initiative’s big Earth Day event is set for 4/14 starting at noon in Union Square.
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(00:00):
Welcome to Sunstein Sessions on iHeartRadio,conversations about issues that matter. Here's your
host, three time Grasie Award winner, Shelley Sunstein. I want to reintroduce
you. It doesn't feel like it'sbeen a year since I last spoke with
John Opperman. He is the executivedirector of Earth Day Initiative. And Earth
(00:21):
Day is right around the corner,and actually Earth Day Initiatives Big Day is
coming up a week from today,that would be April fourteenth. I'm sorry,
I will be flying back from Laso I cannot participate, but first
of all, welcome, thank you, and tell us what's planned for a
(00:42):
week from today. Yeah, sowe're back with our big Earth Day festival.
So that's in Union Square and it'sexactly what you know people would imagine
a big festival are fair to be. So there's dozens of organizations represented.
There's environmental organizations like nonprofits, climatecampaigns, there's kids activities, there's a
stage with some performances up there.There's an art installation this year which we're
(01:04):
really excited about, and a lotof things that people can learn about sustainability
and what they can get involved in, things that they can do to green
their lifestyle, sort of something foreveryone in that north plaza of Union Square
from twelve to six pm on Aprilfourteenth, the week from today. What
happens, God forbid it rains.We have been very lucky, so I
(01:26):
think there's only been war. Neverrains on Earth Day, truly. And
actually so it's the events a littlebit earlier this year than it normally is.
And we were looking up the historicalweather for that day, and weirdly,
April fourteenth is like the warmest dayof any of the days that we
have done it on historically, eventhough we've normally done it the sixteenth or
the eighteenth or the twentieth or whatever. So fingers crossed, it's actually a
(01:49):
beautiful day. How long has thisbeen going on, John, We've been
doing events since nineteen ninety so thirtyfour years. Wow, yeah, long
time. All right. We haveto tackle because talking about the environment,
we have to talk about the bigissue for those of us in New York
City, New Jersey, Long Islandcongestion pricing. Yeah. Yeah, because
(02:15):
it is controversial. I mean there'sactual lawsuits arguing that it's going to create
pollution and that it's bad for theenvironment, let's say for Fort Lee,
with so many cars coming in abovesixtieth Street, right, So it's always
(02:37):
a bit confusing to sort out.So what is the actual intent of something
like this. I think we reallyhave to look at what the intent of
the legislation is, and the intentis to discourage people from driving their cars
and to channel more people into publictransportation. It feels like attacks, or
it feels like a sort of punishmentfor car drivers, but the tent is
(03:00):
to channel more resources into public transportation, get people on public transportation, to
discourage people from driving their cars,because having all of these people in cars,
often with one person in the car, it's really not a good environmental
footprint for folks. And if wecan get more resources toward public transportation,
that is the ideal thing. Ithink where we sort of fall down on
(03:23):
it is this is really the challengethat we have with any sort of sustainability
effort that we have, whether it'sin the city, the state, the
country, or the world, ithas to be a systemic, holistic approach
where if you get people off ofone bad thing, you need to really
build up a robust system for theother thing. And we're not there yet
(03:45):
it's tough because we need more publictransportation. We need more buses, like
we should have just every other carshould be a bus just driving people in,
so then there's more options for peopleto do that. We have the
same issue with electric cars. Peopleare reluctant to switch over to an electric
car because there aren't enough charging sothe charging stations, and it's really this
(04:06):
challenge because we need a holistic planfrom top down to do that. Because
you can make this decision on yourown to get an electric car, but
that doesn't really help if the wholesystem hasn't been converted over for electric cars
and we have enough charging stations.So we really need leadership from our city
officials, our state officials, ourfederal officials to get us that transition.
(04:29):
And that's what I would like tosee more of, because we do have
this backlash against things like congestion,pricing, and it doesn't give climate action
a good name, it doesn't givesustainability a good name. Is there any
place on Earth you can point twothat has done this right? I think
London is a pretty good example.So London really has pretty great public transportation.
(04:53):
So the Tube historically had a lotof issues, and then there were
some folks that came in and realreally revolutionized how it functions. You I
don't know if you've been to Londonrecently or like listeners been to London.
You get to the tube station andlet's say the train is pulling away,
no worries two minutes max. Youlook at the screen and you're like,
(05:14):
oh, it's fine two minutes,as opposed to in the city you get
down there and you miss a trainand it's like seventeen minutes to wait for
the next train sometimes. So havingthat really efficient transportation, the safety factor,
yeah, I mean the safety factorhere for people to scared to they're
still scared to get on the subway, right right, Yeah, And I
(05:40):
think if we really put the resourcesin. But the problem is we shuffle
things around and we do a littlebit over here and a little bit over
there, but we don't have thatholistic approach. But if we really ramped
up our efforts around public transportation andwe had a system that works, like
in London, London is really actuallyvery pleasant to ride on, it would
really be a big game train.But it's going to take years here.
(06:00):
It's not like you can set likeNew Jersey Transit, there just aren't enough
trains. I mean we just whenI lived down the shore, it would
have taken me almost double the time, maybe double the time to take the
train as opposed to driving in.That's just not feasible. That's just not
(06:20):
workable. By the way, speakingof London, going back to London,
I have a friend who actually,when congestion pricing started, eventually he just
sold his car because he said,for the few times that I'm taking road
trips, I can rent a car. It just wasn't He just stopped using
(06:43):
his car to come into the city. You know, he was in the
suburbs and he's fine with it.It was really interesting. But that's not
the case here. I know,it's tough and we really need leadership to
step up to provide those resources,but not just at the city level where
it's you know, this our publictransportation system is very complicated because it's the
state that runs it. But youknow the state has different and we're talking
(07:06):
about more than state. Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly, So it is
very complicated. But getting all thoseparties together has been a nightmare. And
they actually hired the guy from London, right to change things here. Then
he got in a fight with thegovernor and that didn't work out. But
the past governor, not the currentgovernor. But if we actually put that
effort in, that's what we need. And the one problem with delaying the
(07:30):
congestion pricing, though, I willsay, is there's always an excuse to
delay, and at least if westart to move things in that direction,
then there's more pressure to actually changethe whole system. There's always going to
be an excuse. We see thesame thing with the local law in ninety
seven around building efficiency in the city. The real estate industry starts pushing back
(07:51):
and it's like, no, weneed more time. But climate change isn't
going to wait. And this isthe problem that there's always going to be
an excuse to not do it rightnow. And I think if we keep
pushing forward, it's just we needthe other parts to catch up. I'm
speaking with John Opperman. He isthe executive director of Earth Day Initiative,
(08:13):
which is happening at Union Square aweek from today, starting at noon,
and let's talk about some other environmentalissues. First of all, what are
the small steps that people can takein their own lives to help the environment.
Yeah, so we have a bigcampaign this spring. Actually, we
(08:35):
have a climate Action Guide that wehave launched on our website that really connects
people to the things that they cando in their lives. In some cases,
it's more on the bigger scale,so not like small steps. We
have a lot of resources around thattoo, so like eating less meat,
make a plan for it, decidehow many meals a week you're going to
go vegetarian, for instance. Wehave resources that talk about those kinds of
(08:58):
like smaller steps. What we're tryingto give people information on this spring is
the kind of bigger steps that reallywill make an impact, like if a
lot of people do it, andthat's things like home energy efficiency upgrades,
buying an electric car, installing renewableenergy at home. And the reason we're
talking about this is under this administration, the Inflation Reduction Act was passed,
(09:20):
and with the Inflation Reduction Act,there are thousands of dollars per household that
you can get in tax credits andrebates for upgrading your home making it more
energy efficient. So it's both morecomfortable, you're going to save money,
you're not going to have a draftyhome, You're gonna maybe install renewable energy.
If you want renewable energy at home, you can get that electric car,
(09:41):
you can install a charging station,and you will get paid lots of
money for all of these actions,and you can do some this year,
you can do some next year.The way that it's spread out is you
can actually get thousands of dollars peryear for these actions. And our website
has all this information about what youcan do, what you qualify for,
(10:01):
what the easiest routes are to take. And there's even a calculator provided by
our partners at Rewiring America on ourwebsite at Earthinitiative dot org where you can
fill it out, enter your informationand then it will split out results of
like you can get x number ofdollars for this or x number of dollars
for that, And it's a reallyeasy to use resource that we're also integrating
into our physical event at the festival. So if you come to the physical
(10:24):
event and Union Square on April fourteenth, then you can check out all these
resources from about ten different partners.There's like seventy different organizations represented, but
ten different partners specifically dedicated to connectingyou to like do you want to get
an electric car, Well, here'sthe money that you could get for it.
Do you want to do home energyefficiency upgrades? These are the things
(10:46):
that you could do, and they'renot just like better for climate action,
but it's actually a higher quality product, Like you can make your home a
better home with this money. Andit's just free money that the government has
now provided and that we need peopleto take advantage of if we're going to
hit our climate goals in this country. I was wondering what is your take
(11:09):
on the offshore wind turbbinds, becausethat's become very controversial the plan in New
Jersey because of the number of whalesand dolphins that have washed up and have
died, and there are people whoblame the construction of the wind turbines on
these deaths. I am not amarine biologist, so I can't one hundred
(11:35):
percent speak on like the specifics ofthat. I don't think that any significant
number of like marine mammal deaths arerelated to that. There's a lot more
around, ship traffic, there's alot more around even like sonar. You
seem to just pop over the lastyear, I mean last summer, it
(11:58):
was crazy the number and I don'tremember it ever being that way. So
what else changed? I mean,there's actually a larger population in a lot
of areas that whales and dolphins havecome back, So who knows. Maybe
it's actually because like, actually there'smore whales and dolphins around, but no,
I think that there's a lot ofreasons that those who oppose a transition
(12:20):
to renewable energy will scare people.But think about the effects of fossil fuels.
How many deaths human deaths, animaldeaths, all kinds of deaths are
caused by fossil fuels every year,but that's baked in. We don't even
think about it. We don't evenbat an eye because people have respiratory issues,
people have issues that are as aresult of air pollution or the changing
(12:45):
climate, but we don't even thinkabout it because it's just the background noise.
It's when we have this change wherewe're like, oh, what's this
scary new thing. But then ifyou look at it statistically, no one's
going to dive from air pollution fromsome wind turbine off of the coast,
and the overall planet is going tobe much better off. Think of all
the wildlife that will be saved fromnot running off a cliff when it comes
(13:09):
to climate change, and wind isreally a key part of that. Okay,
we only have a couple minutes left. What have we not touched on,
John Opperman, either with Earth DayInitiative a week from today in Union
Square starting at noon, or someother environmental issues that we haven't hit.
Yeah, I mean, I'm superexcited about the festival this year. It's
(13:31):
always a different mix of folks withenvironmental campaigns and climate groups represented. This
year at the festival, we havea series of workshops that people can sign
up for at Earthdayinitiative dot org thatgives you a little bit more interactive opportunity.
So a lot of the events onsite are displays and exhibitions, but
the workshop space allows you to actuallysit there and take part in a workshop
(13:52):
for about an hour. There isa Climate Magazine creating workshop where it talks
about how you can make your ownclimate magazine. There's a book swap so
people can bring in books to swapand you can sign up for that on
the website. There's also a bioplasticsdemonstration of some sort of like sustainable technologies
that you can see that are superhands on. We also have an art
(14:16):
installation that is called Amazonia three pointzero and it's a really interesting, thought
provoking installation and that it's this displayin a pop up delivery truck made to
look like a partial delivery truck,like a mail truck, but it's all
products that would be part of thisclimate crisis future, so a really dystopian
(14:41):
world of here are the things thatwe're going to have to have as far
as bad air quality and acid rainor whatever the effects might be of the
different products. And it's this wholedisplay that it's the kind of tongue in
cheek take on all of our consumerculture, but it's like, these are
the products we're going to need whenwe're really in a bad situation for the
climate crime. And people can checkout that our installation. It's debuting actually
(15:03):
at our event on the fourteenth,a week from today. And at what
point is the point of no returnwith climate change? How close are we?
Yeah, it's tough because it's kindof unclear. And that's what's almost
scarier about it, because we keepreaching these points and they are indicators that
are increasingly scary. I think alot of people maybe saw the headlines in
(15:28):
the last week about how our timeis literally changing because of the melting poles
and it may be affecting the rotationof the Earth. There are a lot
of headlines about that. But insome cases the poles are melting even faster
than we anticipated, and we're reallyrunning out of time, okay. And
to find out more Earthday Initiative dotorg and again the big event, Union
(15:50):
Square a week from today starting atnoon. You've been listening to Sunstein sessions
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Welcome to Sunstein Sessions on iHeartRadio,conversations about issues that matter. Here's your
host, three time Grasie Award winner, Shelley Sunstein. I want to reintroduce
you. It doesn't feel like it'sbeen a year since I last spoke with
John Opperman. He is the executivedirector of Earth Day Initiative. And Earth
(00:21):
Day is right around the corner,and actually Earth Day Initiatives Big Day is
coming up a week from today,that would be April fourteenth. I'm sorry,
I will be flying back from Laso I cannot participate, but first
of all, welcome, thank you, and tell us what's planned for a
(00:42):
week from today. Yeah, sowe're back with our big Earth Day festival.
So that's in Union Square and it'sexactly what you know people would imagine
a big festival are fair to be. So there's dozens of organizations represented.
There's environmental organizations like nonprofits, climatecampaigns, there's kids activities, there's a
stage with some performances up there.There's an art installation this year which we're
(01:04):
really excited about, and a lotof things that people can learn about sustainability
and what they can get involved in, things that they can do to green
their lifestyle, sort of something foreveryone in that north plaza of Union Square
from twelve to six pm on Aprilfourteenth, the week from today. What
happens, God forbid it rains.We have been very lucky, so I
(01:26):
think there's only been war. Neverrains on Earth Day, truly. And
actually so it's the events a littlebit earlier this year than it normally is.
And we were looking up the historicalweather for that day, and weirdly,
April fourteenth is like the warmest dayof any of the days that we
have done it on historically, eventhough we've normally done it the sixteenth or
the eighteenth or the twentieth or whatever. So fingers crossed, it's actually a
(01:49):
beautiful day. How long has thisbeen going on, John, We've been
doing events since nineteen ninety so thirtyfour years. Wow, yeah, long
time. All right. We haveto tackle because talking about the environment,
we have to talk about the bigissue for those of us in New York
City, New Jersey, Long Islandcongestion pricing. Yeah. Yeah, because
(02:15):
it is controversial. I mean there'sactual lawsuits arguing that it's going to create
pollution and that it's bad for theenvironment, let's say for Fort Lee,
with so many cars coming in abovesixtieth Street, right, So it's always
(02:37):
a bit confusing to sort out.So what is the actual intent of something
like this. I think we reallyhave to look at what the intent of
the legislation is, and the intentis to discourage people from driving their cars
and to channel more people into publictransportation. It feels like attacks, or
it feels like a sort of punishmentfor car drivers, but the tent is
(03:00):
to channel more resources into public transportation, get people on public transportation, to
discourage people from driving their cars,because having all of these people in cars,
often with one person in the car, it's really not a good environmental
footprint for folks. And if wecan get more resources toward public transportation,
that is the ideal thing. Ithink where we sort of fall down on
(03:23):
it is this is really the challengethat we have with any sort of sustainability
effort that we have, whether it'sin the city, the state, the
country, or the world, ithas to be a systemic, holistic approach
where if you get people off ofone bad thing, you need to really
build up a robust system for theother thing. And we're not there yet
(03:45):
it's tough because we need more publictransportation. We need more buses, like
we should have just every other carshould be a bus just driving people in,
so then there's more options for peopleto do that. We have the
same issue with electric cars. Peopleare reluctant to switch over to an electric
car because there aren't enough charging sothe charging stations, and it's really this
(04:06):
challenge because we need a holistic planfrom top down to do that. Because
you can make this decision on yourown to get an electric car, but
that doesn't really help if the wholesystem hasn't been converted over for electric cars
and we have enough charging stations.So we really need leadership from our city
officials, our state officials, ourfederal officials to get us that transition.
(04:29):
And that's what I would like tosee more of, because we do have
this backlash against things like congestion,pricing, and it doesn't give climate action
a good name, it doesn't givesustainability a good name. Is there any
place on Earth you can point twothat has done this right? I think
London is a pretty good example.So London really has pretty great public transportation.
(04:53):
So the Tube historically had a lotof issues, and then there were
some folks that came in and realreally revolutionized how it functions. You I
don't know if you've been to Londonrecently or like listeners been to London.
You get to the tube station andlet's say the train is pulling away,
no worries two minutes max. Youlook at the screen and you're like,
(05:14):
oh, it's fine two minutes,as opposed to in the city you get
down there and you miss a trainand it's like seventeen minutes to wait for
the next train sometimes. So havingthat really efficient transportation, the safety factor,
yeah, I mean the safety factorhere for people to scared to they're
still scared to get on the subway, right right, Yeah, And I
(05:40):
think if we really put the resourcesin. But the problem is we shuffle
things around and we do a littlebit over here and a little bit over
there, but we don't have thatholistic approach. But if we really ramped
up our efforts around public transportation andwe had a system that works, like
in London, London is really actuallyvery pleasant to ride on, it would
really be a big game train.But it's going to take years here.
(06:00):
It's not like you can set likeNew Jersey Transit, there just aren't enough
trains. I mean we just whenI lived down the shore, it would
have taken me almost double the time, maybe double the time to take the
train as opposed to driving in.That's just not feasible. That's just not
(06:20):
workable. By the way, speakingof London, going back to London,
I have a friend who actually,when congestion pricing started, eventually he just
sold his car because he said,for the few times that I'm taking road
trips, I can rent a car. It just wasn't He just stopped using
(06:43):
his car to come into the city. You know, he was in the
suburbs and he's fine with it.It was really interesting. But that's not
the case here. I know,it's tough and we really need leadership to
step up to provide those resources,but not just at the city level where
it's you know, this our publictransportation system is very complicated because it's the
state that runs it. But youknow the state has different and we're talking
(07:06):
about more than state. Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly, So it is
very complicated. But getting all thoseparties together has been a nightmare. And
they actually hired the guy from London, right to change things here. Then
he got in a fight with thegovernor and that didn't work out. But
the past governor, not the currentgovernor. But if we actually put that
effort in, that's what we need. And the one problem with delaying the
(07:30):
congestion pricing, though, I willsay, is there's always an excuse to
delay, and at least if westart to move things in that direction,
then there's more pressure to actually changethe whole system. There's always going to
be an excuse. We see thesame thing with the local law in ninety
seven around building efficiency in the city. The real estate industry starts pushing back
(07:51):
and it's like, no, weneed more time. But climate change isn't
going to wait. And this isthe problem that there's always going to be
an excuse to not do it rightnow. And I think if we keep
pushing forward, it's just we needthe other parts to catch up. I'm
speaking with John Opperman. He isthe executive director of Earth Day Initiative,
(08:13):
which is happening at Union Square aweek from today, starting at noon,
and let's talk about some other environmentalissues. First of all, what are
the small steps that people can takein their own lives to help the environment.
Yeah, so we have a bigcampaign this spring. Actually, we
(08:35):
have a climate Action Guide that wehave launched on our website that really connects
people to the things that they cando in their lives. In some cases,
it's more on the bigger scale,so not like small steps. We
have a lot of resources around thattoo, so like eating less meat,
make a plan for it, decidehow many meals a week you're going to
go vegetarian, for instance. Wehave resources that talk about those kinds of
(08:58):
like smaller steps. What we're tryingto give people information on this spring is
the kind of bigger steps that reallywill make an impact, like if a
lot of people do it, andthat's things like home energy efficiency upgrades,
buying an electric car, installing renewableenergy at home. And the reason we're
talking about this is under this administration, the Inflation Reduction Act was passed,
(09:20):
and with the Inflation Reduction Act,there are thousands of dollars per household that
you can get in tax credits andrebates for upgrading your home making it more
energy efficient. So it's both morecomfortable, you're going to save money,
you're not going to have a draftyhome, You're gonna maybe install renewable energy.
If you want renewable energy at home, you can get that electric car,
(09:41):
you can install a charging station,and you will get paid lots of
money for all of these actions,and you can do some this year,
you can do some next year.The way that it's spread out is you
can actually get thousands of dollars peryear for these actions. And our website
has all this information about what youcan do, what you qualify for,
(10:01):
what the easiest routes are to take. And there's even a calculator provided by
our partners at Rewiring America on ourwebsite at Earthinitiative dot org where you can
fill it out, enter your informationand then it will split out results of
like you can get x number ofdollars for this or x number of dollars
for that, And it's a reallyeasy to use resource that we're also integrating
into our physical event at the festival. So if you come to the physical
(10:24):
event and Union Square on April fourteenth, then you can check out all these
resources from about ten different partners.There's like seventy different organizations represented, but
ten different partners specifically dedicated to connectingyou to like do you want to get
an electric car, Well, here'sthe money that you could get for it.
Do you want to do home energyefficiency upgrades? These are the things
(10:46):
that you could do, and they'renot just like better for climate action,
but it's actually a higher quality product, Like you can make your home a
better home with this money. Andit's just free money that the government has
now provided and that we need peopleto take advantage of if we're going to
hit our climate goals in this country. I was wondering what is your take
(11:09):
on the offshore wind turbbinds, becausethat's become very controversial the plan in New
Jersey because of the number of whalesand dolphins that have washed up and have
died, and there are people whoblame the construction of the wind turbines on
these deaths. I am not amarine biologist, so I can't one hundred
(11:35):
percent speak on like the specifics ofthat. I don't think that any significant
number of like marine mammal deaths arerelated to that. There's a lot more
around, ship traffic, there's alot more around even like sonar. You
seem to just pop over the lastyear, I mean last summer, it
(11:58):
was crazy the number and I don'tremember it ever being that way. So
what else changed? I mean,there's actually a larger population in a lot
of areas that whales and dolphins havecome back, So who knows. Maybe
it's actually because like, actually there'smore whales and dolphins around, but no,
I think that there's a lot ofreasons that those who oppose a transition
(12:20):
to renewable energy will scare people.But think about the effects of fossil fuels.
How many deaths human deaths, animaldeaths, all kinds of deaths are
caused by fossil fuels every year,but that's baked in. We don't even
think about it. We don't evenbat an eye because people have respiratory issues,
people have issues that are as aresult of air pollution or the changing
(12:45):
climate, but we don't even thinkabout it because it's just the background noise.
It's when we have this change wherewe're like, oh, what's this
scary new thing. But then ifyou look at it statistically, no one's
going to dive from air pollution fromsome wind turbine off of the coast,
and the overall planet is going tobe much better off. Think of all
the wildlife that will be saved fromnot running off a cliff when it comes
(13:09):
to climate change, and wind isreally a key part of that. Okay,
we only have a couple minutes left. What have we not touched on,
John Opperman, either with Earth DayInitiative a week from today in Union
Square starting at noon, or someother environmental issues that we haven't hit.
Yeah, I mean, I'm superexcited about the festival this year. It's
(13:31):
always a different mix of folks withenvironmental campaigns and climate groups represented. This
year at the festival, we havea series of workshops that people can sign
up for at Earthdayinitiative dot org thatgives you a little bit more interactive opportunity.
So a lot of the events onsite are displays and exhibitions, but
the workshop space allows you to actuallysit there and take part in a workshop
(13:52):
for about an hour. There isa Climate Magazine creating workshop where it talks
about how you can make your ownclimate magazine. There's a book swap so
people can bring in books to swapand you can sign up for that on
the website. There's also a bioplasticsdemonstration of some sort of like sustainable technologies
that you can see that are superhands on. We also have an art
(14:16):
installation that is called Amazonia three pointzero and it's a really interesting, thought
provoking installation and that it's this displayin a pop up delivery truck made to
look like a partial delivery truck,like a mail truck, but it's all
products that would be part of thisclimate crisis future, so a really dystopian
(14:41):
world of here are the things thatwe're going to have to have as far
as bad air quality and acid rainor whatever the effects might be of the
different products. And it's this wholedisplay that it's the kind of tongue in
cheek take on all of our consumerculture, but it's like, these are
the products we're going to need whenwe're really in a bad situation for the
climate crime. And people can checkout that our installation. It's debuting actually
(15:03):
at our event on the fourteenth,a week from today. And at what
point is the point of no returnwith climate change? How close are we?
Yeah, it's tough because it's kindof unclear. And that's what's almost
scarier about it, because we keepreaching these points and they are indicators that
are increasingly scary. I think alot of people maybe saw the headlines in
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the last week about how our timeis literally changing because of the melting poles
and it may be affecting the rotationof the Earth. There are a lot
of headlines about that. But insome cases the poles are melting even faster
than we anticipated, and we're reallyrunning out of time, okay. And
to find out more Earthday Initiative dotorg and again the big event, Union
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