November 8, 2022 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the latest in the Kyrie Irving situation as NBAPA VP Jaylen Brown spoke about Kyrie's suspension. Doug gives you his top 10 NFL teams in his List of the Day. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take about Lamar Jackson. Children at press conferences are the subject of You're Annoying!. Plus, Doug tells you what team to wager on Tuesday night.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, right, this is the Doug Godly Show years
in the bonus with Doug Godly, Ah, Doug Gottlieb Show
in the I'll be a good Let's get into it, okay, um.
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I got a couple of little things on Odell Beckham Jr.
I want to get to but I want to start
with this. This is Jaileen Brown to the Boston Globe,
Jaylen Brown quote, I don't believe Kyrie Irving is anti Semitic.
I don't think people in our governing body bodies think
he's anti Semitic. He made a mistake. We understand from
the outside perspective how important sensitivity is to not condone
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hate speech and not condone anything of that nature. It's
sensitivity to the UH, to the dialect around that. We
don't want to stand up for somebody in order to
not in order to not damn hate speech. I don't
believe Kyrie Irving is anti Semitic, and hopefully the NBA
feels the same. There's an interesting distinction. This is again
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Jalen Brown of the Celtics, a distinction between what somebody
says verbally and what somebody posts a link and platform
with no description behind it. Some people will argue there's
no difference, and some people argue there is a difference.
There's no language in our CBA, there's no rules to it.
This is uncharted territory for everybody. Everybody's trying to figure
out the difference in the two he goes on the
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terms of his return, they seem like a lot a
lot of players expressed discomfort with those terms. He made
a mistake. He posted something there's no distinction. We maybe
we can move forward, but the terms in which he
has to fulfill to return, I think, not just speaking
for me, speaking as a vice president, a lot of
players we didn't agree to those terms that required for
him to come back, and we're we're waiting for this
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Tuesday meeting to happen to see what comes of it.
Will go from there. That's all I'll say. Okay, remember
here are the terms. Apologize and condemned the film, apologizic
and in the film, which he has done. Um make
a five donation to an anti hate anti hate causes,
which he tried to do, but the Anti Defamation League
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wouldn't take it. He's got to meet with them in person.
That's part of it. Me with the A. D. L
and Jewish leaders, complete anti Semitism training, complete sensitivity training,
meet with our team owner Joe Sigh to demonstrate an
understanding the situation. I don't think any of that is
that that major. None of it is major. Couple meetings,
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a sizeable check which he had already agreed to donate, uh,
some sensitivity training, anti Semitic training, whatever, and and go
on about your day. And I agree, there's a strong
likelihood he doesn't complete it. And this is the an
easy way for the NETS to say he doesn't want
to be a member of the NETS. Here's the problem
with what Jalen Brown is doing. Because Jalen Brown is
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very bright, and Jalen Brown, who is I mean, let's
just be on. He is crazy woke, okay, and as
somebody who is crazy woke, but kind of the real
I I do think he's kind of the real deal.
He's not a he's not one of these phonies like
he actually is I think sensitive towards all people, right,
He's the I actually think a lot of Jalen Brown.
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The problem is that he's not actually applying the context
of Kyrie Irving situation appropriately. He's saying he made a mistake,
he apologized for it. Why do we have to keep
doing this? And most of us, if it was that easy,
would feel the same. The differences, all the other ship
that Kyrie Irving has done, and the fact that he
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was given a week in which he refused to apologize
several times over the language he used, the fact he
tries to outsmart everybody in a press conference. He's no
different than Aaron Rodgers and what Aaron Rodgers did last
year with the with the where you vaccinated? Yes, I'm
what was it? Yes, I'm not inoculated. Yes, I'm immunized,
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you know, trying to be some smart words smith and
outsmart the rest of us, Like, you don't need any
of that crap. You don't need any of it. So
he's also not taking into account all the other things
that Kyrie Irving has done that preempted this. If if
it was just he tweeted out a movie and then
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apologize for tweeting I didn't know is in it? I'm sorry,
we'd all be done with this ship by now, but
we're not, because that's not what happened. Kyr Irving's got
a litany of other things that have been about him
or been challenging the media or been really uncomfortable in
terms of his dealings with teammates or with owners. And
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then you have the Brooklyn situation, which I've chronicled before.
But if we just used the last year as the snapshot,
or last six months of snapshot, when they lost last year,
Sean Marks definitively said, we want guys who play for
each other. Kyrie is not seen as that. We want
guys who are available. Kyrie, He's not seen as that. Right,
we want people that part of our culture. He is
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not seen as that. And then you factor in all
these other things. So Jalen Brown is right, he just
ain't right about Kyrie and I it's not. It's not
that I think Jalen Brown is anti Semitic for supporting Kyrie.
I don't. He's talking about the process. He's talking about, Hey,
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did something tweeted something? There's there's a distinction between tweeting
it and actually I agree with him. By the way,
there's also a distinction between something you say and some
of you're saying a joke and how you actually act right,
Like a racist doesn't drop a line which is racially uncomfortable.
Whatever that you need to apologize for a racist actually
holds things against you because of the color your skin, Like,
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that's a racist. Those people you can go away. Not
that we need uh racial humor in any way. But
the point is that so oftentimes we call people who
use insensitive li anguage racist. That's not what a racist is.
That's somebody who uses in sensitive language. That's what Jalen
Brown is talking about. There's a distinction between saying it,
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saying a line, or saying something or acting in a
way or doing something which which is racially insensitive and
somebody who's a racist. But we don't do that, We
won't make that distinction, even though Jalen smartly says, hey,
we should make a distinction. Now. The the one point
that should be made that is the counter to what
Jalen Brown is saying, which is he didn't just tweet
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it and go like, hey, I haven't seen it. He
said afterwards, I won't stand down, and he didn't really
back up what his beliefs were or what he is
not gonna stand down about. So Jalen is not wrong here.
He's just wrong about Kyrie because he's not taking the
context of the nuance of this Kyrie situation into effect.
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Let's get to our list of the day. It's time
for the list of the day. I'm on the list.
Oh snap, why didn't you say so? Our list of
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the day is the top ten teams in the National
Football League has voted on by me. Number ten. Let's
start with number ten, Number New York Jets. They they
just beat the Buffalo Bills. They've beaten the Green Bay Packers,
which at the time we thought was a great win.
The New York Jets are at ten at six and three. Um,
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they've beaten they have lost the Ravens ranked ahead of him,
have lost to since Nanny ranked ahead of him, have
lost the Patriots, who honestly could be right here on
this list, but beat the Bills, beat the Packers and
Broncos on the road, which you can say what you
want about both those teams winning on the road as
impressive plus in Pittsburgh as a win. UM, I'm gonna
put the Jets in ten. Number nine, the Cincinnati Bengals,
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the defending an f C champs. Lost the first two
games the year, and since then, well they've gone five
and two. Lost to the Ravens, have them lost to
the Steelers? Below them, Cowboys ahead of them. Brown's okay,
but remember they're doing this without Jamaar Chase. Jamar Chase
is expected to return. If Jamar Chase returns, I mean again, Uh,
there's other teams that have far more injuries that I'm
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holding against them. The one head against since because they
put it all together against Carolina, I expect them to
be Pittsburgh too. Then they got Tennessee and Kent's City
will find out how good they are at the top
of the league. But put Since at nine, number eight.
Baltimore complete mash unit, but LaVar is good enough. They're
good enough to figure out a way to win. I
love the addition of ro Kuwan Smith for their three
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four defense. Um, it's weird. People forget justin Houston was
what a half sacked short of breaking so tying stray
Hand's record, and the old guy still has it in
the tank. Is a good football team, well coached, not great,
especially with all their injuries, but they find a way
to survive in advance. Number seven, their one dimention on offense,
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but that's a really good dimension. The Tennessee Titans. They
gave kanc City everything they wanted. Well, we'll put the
Titans there. Number six. Dallas Cowboys defense is really good.
I think they have the league's MVP and a Michael
Parsons offensive. Solid Cowboys. Now we get closer to division play,
and before that was a laugher. Now it's pretty difficult.
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We'll see how they react. Number five. This one will
surprise people, but I think there are different teams since
they added Christian McCaffrey and they're starting to get other
pieces healthy. Maybe they never get fully healthy, maybe they
never leave live up to their building. But I'm gonna
put San Francisco at five. Number four Minnesota Minnesota. Basically,
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they've won the NFC North already. They keep getting road
wins when people think they can't. I know, they just
beat the Washington Commanders, but it's more uh of of
what it means for for Kirk Cousins. I'll put UM Minnesota.
Probably a little bit overrated, but considering their success, I
don't think anybody would argue with them being top ten,
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maybe not top five. Put them at four. Number three,
I'm still gonna put the Eagles. They're good, they win,
Jalen Hurtch is playing well. They're good football team. They've
got an awesome defense, they get after them, pressure the
pastor they just haven't played anybody, so I can't give
him credit for winning games against inferior teams. Number two,
Kans City finds a way. They get the best quarterback
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in the business, great play callers, good play calling. A
very very good team. But more than anything, just my
homes finds a way. We'll put them into number one.
I'm keeping Buffalo there, keeping Buffalo. You know, saw how
they played against Kansas City, won the game on the road.
They played well in big games, and let's be honest,
you can't play well every week. I still put Buffalo
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is my number one team. There's my list of the day.
And now this is Britty Quinn and LaVar Arrington. I
see what I did, their guys, I was gonn to
combine the two. They said this about the college football
regular season. I think college football's regular season, to me,
is more entertaining than the NFL. And it's imparted because
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you have less games. There's a lot more of of
unpredictable things that happen and just craziness. So I tend
to think that college football regular season is better than
NFL regular season. However, there's nothing like NFL playoffs, the
Super Bowl all that, like conference you know, the the
a f C, NFC conference championships like that. That's huge
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in and of itself. So um And like some people
would say, college football has always been about the regular season.
You know, you go back before the playoff, right like
we basically would we would basically play a regular season.
It wasn't even conference championship games. And then you go
play a bowl game. Then they the a p would
vote on who they think the best team is. So
it's kind of always been about the regular season. I
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do think it's it's it's more fun. In my opinion.
I love it so much, and not because I had
a better college career than I did a pro career.
I just think in terms of the entertainment value of
a Saturday versus a Sunday, there's way more excitement. Yeah,
I'm gonna disagree there. I mean, I think they're taking it.
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In the snapshots, Brady goes to the big New Big
Neon kickoff game. Those games are incredible. There's lots of
other games that aren't incredible. And I think we're reacting
to the fact that the NFL has had this rare
run of poorly played games. Especially the offenses haven't been
lighting of the scoreboard. But like, I don't know, you
you think back to Buffalo and Kansas City two weeks ago.
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That was a pretty exciting game, like every Kan City
game seemingly is, except for when they played I mean,
when they play Knce City and lost. I mean, we
don't play Indian lost, like that was still exciting. I
just do I think that the stadiums are a little
bit antiseptic in comparison to college Sadams. Of course that's
always been the case, but there's a ton of college
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football games. They're exciting, they're intriguing, but they're not played
at the level usually the NFL. The problem is this year,
the NFL can't say that because they've had so many
poorly played games. Um, I the NFL guys are so
much but it's just different. It's just different. But I
think the part that the interesting point that was made
is how exciting the postseason is in the NFL and
why the college football is clearly trying to copy that.
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Here's Craig Carton on a show called Carton on Fox
Sports one this morning. This is not a knock on
Jeff Saturday. He's never coached college, he's never coached the pros.
What's fascinating about it is, take for just a second
the possibility that Jim er say is crazy as a fox. Right,
they don't have what they don't have a quarterback? Right?
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What's the easiest way to get a quarterback which they
haven't had since Andrew Luck retired? Uh, what's it now
three and a half four years ago? Right, lose a
lot of games? Well, how can you guarantee losing a
lot of games? A bad quarterback and Sam Elnger, a
lousy offensive line, no running attack and oops, oh, by
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the way, a coach who's never coached before. This might
be the most brilliant hiring in the history of the NFL.
It assures them that they will not win another game
this year, and they then are in the running for
one of the top two or three picks in this
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year's draft. Bang, we got ourselves a quarterback. Yeah, I
know there's some and I know Craig is kind of
tongue planted in cheek. Some of it he kind of believes,
some of it he doesn't, uh, And that's kind of
the what's fun entertaining about him. The reality is that
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there's a couple of different levels to it. We are
making a gigantic deal about it. Gigantic. Oh, think of
all the culture on the Okay, it was one job
that you're not going to get to keep. Right, It's
one job you're not gonna get to keep, whereas at
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least you could you can put on tape what you're
if you're an offensive coordinator, what you're running back room.
First of all, if you're hiring an interim coach, you're
not bringing in anybody from another coach from outside the organization.
So it's only inside the organization. And Jeff Saturday's loyalty
is to who Jim ursay, and so Jim Rsey says, like,
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when you think of that guy, what do you think
of that guy? He can give you an honest opinion
because he didn't hire him, he didn't have to fire him,
and he could tell you. It's it's almost like he's
coming in to analyze your program. We're making a gigantic
deal of a guy who he knows not keeping the job,
who's loyal to the Colts, and just try and and
and by the way, they could give him the job
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if he does well enough. The likehood is he won't.
And I also think this idea that well, they're definitely
gonna lose games. Why, Like Frank Reich wasn't working, They
weren't winning games. Let's see if the guy works, Let
them coach, see how they're coached, and move forward. That's uh,
this is calling cow heard talking about Lamar Jackson, watching
Lamar Jackson last night. Pay them already. The number one
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quality of a franchise quarterback is when your team isn't right,
can he carry you to a win? So the best
tight end in football, or at least a second best
mark Edward Ravens uh not available, their best receiver out
in a weak receiving corps, the defense has holes on
the back end. Um oh yes, it's Monday night football
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in the loudest road venue in the league and Lamar
Jackson barely broke a sweat, completed passes to ten different people,
huge on third down, and that is what it looks like.
That is a franchise quarterback. It's different, it's unique. People
can't care their arms around it, but it's incredibly special.
And if you're constantly as a fan, you're constantly blaming
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because you have a quarterback and you're not sure if
he's a franchise quarterback. And I've said this before, but
you're constantly blaming the receivers and the coordinator and the
offensive line and the lack of a running game. You
don't have it. You don't have him. That's what the
Giants are doing, and the Jets are doing, and Commanders
are doing, and Lions are doing, and Carolina is doing.
They're blaming other people. Lamar Jackson goes on the road.
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One of the toughest Monday night football environments doesn't have
a world class tight end is best receiver in a
bad receiving corps um, you know, and a defense that
can be very susceptible. And Andy Dalton looked like a
flip phone and he looked like the latest iPhone. Look.
We started by saying this, and we'll put in this
radio show and put this in here, saying pam him,
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stop we do this stupid ship all the time. Stop
with the nonsense and The problem is calling is much
smarter than this, but he it's like it's a way
of generating some sort of positive. No one has ever said,
don't pay Lamar Jackson. Has anyone ever said that. Has
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anyone ever said, don't give him a contract? You know what,
he sucks? Let him walk? Has anybody said that? Has
that ever been uttered? Then why the fuck are we
saying pay him? They gotta pay him. No one didn't
want to pay him. Baltimore wants to pay him. You
know what Baltimore doesn't want to do. They don't want
to pay him five years guaranteed contracts at the top
of the market. Do you know why? Because he's very
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He's good, He's great in their system. Great? Was he
great last night? No? Now can you say? Oh the
limitations of not having he also didn't have his starting
running back? You know there, I'm mash, you know I
get it. Okay, they played complimentary football. The defense one
of the game. The offense did just enough, converted on
third down, kept the defense off the field. Andy Dalton
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is not good enough. They don't have Michael Thomas. They're
just not. The Saints aren't good. How do I know
we have nine games to tell us they're not good.
It is already. It is one of the whole pay
him already, Like shut the funk up with all this stuff.
No one's saying don't pay him. The only thing anyone
has ever disputed is the is whether or not you
should pay him. What Deshaun Watson God, which is absolutely ludicrous.
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And and oh yeah, by the way, all of you
fucking idiots with the guy, and I'm not calling you know,
it's not fair all you people who are saying idiotic things,
because you're not idiotic people. You're just giving into a
stupid fucking narrative, which is really concerning. Okay, whose highest
paid quarterback in the NFL? Who is it? M B?
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Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson? How they doing this year?
Like the whole thing is like, here's the thing. I
had a GM tell me this. You know, if I
save a couple million dollars in a contract, you know,
I don't get to slide it into my own pocket, right.
All I do is I use that money somewhere else. Now,
if I have cap space, I use it somewhere else.
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That's what I do. This, Pam know what they offered
him a contract worth report over two d million dollars
in guarantees, probably more along the lines of what Russell
Wilson got what, more money than what Russell what? What?
Kyler Murray got more money than what Derek Carr got,
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more money that went than all those guys, those mid
level guys got. You know, it's a good contract. They
just don't want to give him five years guaranteed, no
cut contract the way to Shaun Watson has and you're like, oh,
just just pay him. Why why I don't have to?
There's leverage there, like a franchise taging my franchise tag
him again. He's good, can you win? You? Can you?
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When you the actual true I would agree with them
in terms of franchise. That's like ace right, It's like
an asan baseball Where what does an asan baseball do
when you lost, you know, your first three games the
series in four games, set the ace picks of the
bung As fellas, I got this ship we're gonna go
home with at least to win, right. But the other
thing you have to do as a franchise quarterback could
be able to win games in the playoffs. Track the
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teams that win in the playoffs. They're almost they're all
Hall of Fame quarterbacks. That's what separates you. He's been
able to do that, and even if he was sending
the world on fire, like I'd still struggle with the
more than I mean, like even Pat Mahomes deal. Hey,
in Pat Mom's deal, there's a way for them to
get there's a way for them to get out of
early on. But like this is the stupid like we
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keep doing the stupid ship. It's so frustrating. I'm not
a Lamar fan nor a Lamar hater. I'm the actual
only real person telling you how it is. He's good,
they love them, they're not lett him go. He ain't
going anywhere for at least at least after two more
seasons and then maybe Okay, they couldn't get a deal
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worked out because he wants what Deshaun Watson got, And
I've told you for five fucking months that that's what
he wants, because everybody I know in Baltimore is like that.
He wants to Shaun money, and we're not gonna give
him to Shaun money. We'll give him three years of
huge money, and if he had an agent, we'd find
a way to creatively make it work, but we don't,
so we have to make it work through his mom
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or through him. And he does have an uh, he
does have a lawyer who but doesn't know all the
intricacies of how to hide it from the cap and
move it all around. So he just wants to flat
out guarantee and we ain't gonna give it to him
because everybody in the league thinks that's god damn stupid.
But the only thing dumber than the idea of giving
him a five year contract that's worth more money than
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Deshaun Watson, even though in all honesty he checks more boxes,
no off the field, no injuries. You know, he's one.
I think as many playoff games as de Shaun Watson. Like,
I get it. I get the idea how it's always
worked in your mind, which is I get one dollar
more than the guy who signed before. That's an outlier contract.
No one in the lead thinks otherwise except for Lamar
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and then fan boys or people and be like Pam,
there's never been a dispute. Ever, the Baltimore Ravens have
never privately or publicly not one to pay uh, not
want to pay Lamar Jackson. But they don't want to
give him five years guaranteed, and they have every right
to to operate the way they're operating. And oh yeah,
by the way, it's not hurting them, so we need
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to stop with that stupid ship. Pay them already. That's
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Yes you were, that's a did you did you like
crak Carton saying that he didn't think the Colts would
win another game the whole season? Um? Yeah, and then
the Colts are winning game. I just you know, if
they now, if they I got into a little bit
in the in the uh in the radio show, but
I'll get into it here. There's an expression in the
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NFL which goes like this, owners own, owners own. What's
that mean? Why they change quarterbacks, why they fire their
offensive coordinator, why they hired Jef Saturday? Because that's what
Jim Ersay wants. Owners owned. Oh yeah, by the way,
I think it's hysterical, hysterical what Jim Ersay did to
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Dan Snider like, look, I respect the fact that Jim
Ersay has come back from an addiction. I do like
we all have our flaws, none of the superific perfect people.
His addiction became public. Let's just be honest that Jim
er say, all the stuff he went through and some
of the things he did. If what happened fifteen years
ago was today, there'd be other owners calling for him
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to lose his job. And the bait and switch of hey,
I'm gonna put all the media pressure on Dan Snyder. Meanwhile,
I'm gonn and named Sam Elvinger, who can't play in
the NFL as a starting quarterback. Then I'm gonna while
firing the offense quarter and then firing the coach, then
the hiring Jeff Saturday. All of those things are beyond bizarre.
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And yet he's the one who's like, hey, I think
Dan Snyder, now's the time to for us to make
himself crazy crazy stuff. All right, So all of that,
the discussion about Lamar pay him, that's annoying. Let's find
out what else is annoying, and now it's your annoying. Alright,
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I'm not gonna be the Grin Show on this one.
I'll let Jason Stewart be the Grins show on this one.
You didn't like Fred Vanvleet's press conference, wil For those
who didn't see it right, Fred van Fleet had his
daughter up at the press conference, yeah, in front of
the mic, and it was cute, don't get me wrong.
He said something and then she kept doing the kind
of the what is that the face palm emoji and
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it's become a meme and that's cool. It's cute. But
in general, UM, I think kids at a press conference.
I think everyone kind of jokes that it's usually because
an athlete wants to shield themselves from criticism or whatever. Um.
I just think it's unprofessional. Period. Uh. If I brought
my child, or if John brought his baby into work,
I wouldn't think any different way. It's just it's a workplace. Um.
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Children should not be involved in your process. Speaking to
the media after the game is the process. I think,
not Fred van Fleet per se, but anybody who thinks
it's a good idea to bring their children up to
the microphone during a press conference, you're annoying. So it's
an annoy England, I had my son at the microphone
at the Breeders cap for a couple of weeks. Scioni's
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in studio on yesterday. I edited you out, but you
were going to be third on my list. Doug Gottlieb
is annoying for putting kids on the air. Alright, Uh,
you don't like head coaches wearing visors either? Why it
struck me last night as I saw the head coach
of the Saints um with a visor on, and then
I thought, wait, Sean Payton before him had a visor.
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And then I'm thinking how many coaches wear a visor?
I think Peterson down to Jacksonville. But what I couldn't
find with somebody explaining what the benefit of advisor is
over a ball cap, especially in a dome last night.
I don't know if it's a fashion thing, if it's
a look thing, but like, I think visors look lame
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like Personally, I'm not the master of fashion, but I
think any coach that decides to put a visor on
as opposed to a ball cap is annoying. But if
you're gonna wear one, I need to at least google
search a reason. I need you to tell me. Why
do you do you know why, Doug? Why people wear
visors instead of hats. Yes, I don't know. I don't know.
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I don't know. The only I mean, it's just kind
of a thing. I mean, you wear a visor to
keep the sun under your face. I guess it's so
that your hair can flow out there. I guess it's
a hair thing. I think it's a hair thing. That's
what it is. The only thing. Whereas when you when
you wear a baseball hat, you get hat head. When
you wear a visor, you get visor head. But it
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still lets the the the the lettuce flow. That's the
only thing. You think of. The third candidate today, and
I think I did him twice last week, so this
will be the third one in about eight days. Sean
McVeigh continues to disappoint. I'm not a Rams fan. I
know we have one in the building here. But remember
we played the sound of Jalen Ramsey coming off of
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the game where he just torched the offense and by extension,
the head coach, because the head coach calls the place. Um,
he basically called his head coach out and used many
cuss words and said, why the hell was our defense
back on the field after we stopped Tom Brady the
first time? Um, you had said on the air yes today.
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All of what he just said is true, but he
shouldn't say it out loud, and I kind of agree
with that. But as the head coach, Sean McVeigh had
this to say yesterday about those comments. I talked to
Jalen and I am aware of those things talked to
you know, I talked with him this morning. Jalen is
a great competitor. You know. He would say the same
thing on the defensive side of the ball if the
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roles were reversed. So he's always gonna be honest. He
wants to win. He's passionate about this. He is uh.
He is supportive of his teammates. But that's enough. That's enough.
That's not so. Sean goes on for another thirty seconds
about positive stuff and how we need to turn this
thing around yet again, just like what's his face a
couple of weeks ago, La flour When somebody calls you
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out publicly and you don't take a stand. You just
said and in a rant that owners owned, coaches coach
players play. At some point, Sean mcveighy needs to push
back here, and are you realizing a trend here? Cam
akers disappeared this year was put on the healthy uh
do not playlist? Whatever the hell that is? Um? And
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now Jalen Ramsey's calling out this guy. I think there's
a trend here people starting to second guess Sean McVeigh.
And he's not taking a stance. He's taking the high
road and the positive answers. Sean McVeigh, you're annoying today
for not just standing up for yourself in this moment. Okay,
you got one more as well. Uh No, Sean McVeigh.
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Visors and kids at press conferences. Um, all right, what
about what about you? What about you? Ramless? You got
anybody that annoys you? Nope? I think those are three
really good ones. Um. You know, I mean, I don't
want to really knock McVeigh, but he is always positive
about everything. And you actually talked about this yesterday that
you thought what Jayla Ramsy said it was correct, but
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he shouldn't say that out loud. So why would McVeigh
say it out loud back to him? He just would
be say it it's as the way you wanted him
to say it. So I'm not gonna say Sean McVeigh
would be the most annoying. UM, I don't know about
visor is. I could care less what the coach wear.
They want to wear a hat ad visor doesn't bother
me at all. It's a weird. It is a weird thing, though,
that they wear the visors. Right, Um, can I add
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one in the right? I can? I can add one
in here? I got one. Um, people that don't watch
sports sports events and look at the box score and
then I want to like make a point about it,
but clearly didn't watch a game. That's a lot of people.
Oh my god. Well, first of all, like college basketball
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last night, there's like a hundred and twenty games, right,
everybody plays, and there's something there's one guy in particular.
But some people I follow on Twitter for now until
they want to charge me, Um, that clearly only watched
the box score. I mean, clearly, I'll give you. I'll
give you the easy example. I'm not gonna I'm not
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gonna name names on who has tweeted about it and
talked about it. But I was watching Michigan, for example,
and and Michigan was planned yesterday they played. I don't
know somebody who's stunk. I'll think of it in a second,
but what you know, uh, on on one level, I
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understand he was Jazz Howard was a highly touted recruit,
and he's son of Juwan Howard. Okay, they played it
used to be Indiana Perdue Fort Wayne, and now I
you left, so now it's Perdue Fort Wayne. Truly, this
actually happened. They changed the school changed names anyway, Um
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that if you look at the box score, Uh, Jazz
Howard had on five threes. There's your story, right, because
he was a highly tattered recruit. Who said whose debt? Yeah?
But Hunter Dickinson had had three blocks in minutes, only
missed two shots. I mean, he was unbelievable. And the
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best part of what when when they decided to dominate
the game is when they played through Hun Cokinson. He
was dominant at both ends of the court, and he's
shown an improvement in his ability to defend out on
the floor. He's always been good defending the room. He
was far and away the best actual basketball player. But
he didn't hit five threes. His name is not Jazz
Howard and so that's why whoever was following him just
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simply looked at the box score, and that's what they
tweeted about. So, guy that looks at box score doesn't
actually watch a game and then wants you to think
that they watched the game and took away something profound
from it. You're annoying. You're really really annoying. As for
the most empirically annoying person, what was who was the
first one? Uh? Fred van Fleet or anybody who takes
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a kid up to a press conference? Yeah, Fred VanVleet,
I don't like Fred Vanvleet's kid is really really cute,
and kids are really cute. But I tend to agree
with you, right, like, if you're going to be up there,
I mean, because imagine if you had if you had
a kid like my hey, my son wants asked you
a question? Um, Mr van Fleet, what's your favorite pair
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of shoes? Right like you would that wouldn't be deemed professional,
especially when like, hey man, we only get ten minutes
with a guy, and you had your kid ask you
a questions. I actually agree with you. I don't mind
having kids there. They can be cute and and they
should see how many people want to hear their dad
answer questions. And it does make it where the language
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is more acceptable, Like right, you have to kind of
change because your kids there, But the idea that you
completely stop and disrespect the process. Not that Fred did,
but others have. That's that's annoying. And and a lot
of times kids will ask questions at the super Bowl.
That's kind of the fun thing, right, there's always like
one kid day a day, which is a waste of
time anyway. Yeah, but what if Fred, What if Fred
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had a bad gabe or some somebody wanted to ask
him a question about something bad he did. It's kind
of tough to ask that when you're when you're a
cute little kid, your daughter, your son's next to you.
They're not gonna be like, Fred, what a horrible shot
you talk on that third third quarter that you know
we put you down by two. I mean, you've know
bad because little kids up there and it's it's just
a bad look. I agree. So, uh, professional athlete who
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brings his kid to the podium, let's just be honest. Yeah,
I know, big. Let's get to our pick of the day.
All right, let's let's let's start. And this is a
weird one, okay, but let's start. Let's start in college basketball.
There's no NBA games tonight because of the election. College
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basketball was supposed to give kids the day off. Some
of them haven't done it. Georgetown is coached by Patrick Doing,
at least for now. They've obviously struggled mightily. Okay, struggled
mightily to put together good enough seasons, and he's kind
of hanging on by a limb. He's got a new lead, gun,
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refined team. And tonight they opened their season against Coppin State. Now,
before you say eighteen a half points Coppin State, keep
in mind that Coppin State is one of these teams.
At Um plays a ridiculous schedule. Right. Their schedule is
they played at Charlotte last night and got pummeled by
twenty three points. Play George Town tonight, then Friday, they
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play Mountain St. Mary's. Monday they play Navy. They still
go to Maryland, they still go to NC State, they
still go to George Washington, still go to East Carolina,
they go to George Mason, they go to Rutgers, they
go to Richmond. They're just gonna collect els and collect checks,
including tonight it's an eighteen and a half point line. Now,
George Town's got a new team. I don't know how
good they'll be. I do I don't think they'll finish
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and the at the actual bottom of the Big East,
and tonight they're gonna eviscerate Coppin State. It's not like football,
where night to you make adjustments from night one you
get a little bit better. But when you've been beaten
by more than twenty and smashed by an average program
in your first game, and now you take on a
program at a higher level, it's usually worse than the
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kind of snowballs on you. Anyway, The point is take
Georgetown even with the eight and a half, and you'll
thank me later. That's the pick of the day, all right, Mike,
Thanks to Jason Stewart, to John Ramos, to you for listening. Man,
What a what a weird day in the NBA last night,
where Russell Westbrook seems to have figured it out and
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yet now they're waiting on Dennis Shrewder to try and
figure out how they can win games. The Lakers there
there a mess. We talked a little bit about Kyrie Irving.
Give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show on Twitter, at
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in the I'll be a good Let's get into it, okay, um.
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I got a couple of little things on Odell Beckham Jr.
I want to get to but I want to start
with this. This is Jaileen Brown to the Boston Globe,
Jaylen Brown quote, I don't believe Kyrie Irving is anti Semitic.
I don't think people in our governing body bodies think
he's anti Semitic. He made a mistake. We understand from
the outside perspective how important sensitivity is to not condone
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hate speech and not condone anything of that nature. It's
sensitivity to the UH, to the dialect around that. We
don't want to stand up for somebody in order to
not in order to not damn hate speech. I don't
believe Kyrie Irving is anti Semitic, and hopefully the NBA
feels the same. There's an interesting distinction. This is again
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Jalen Brown of the Celtics, a distinction between what somebody
says verbally and what somebody posts a link and platform
with no description behind it. Some people will argue there's
no difference, and some people argue there is a difference.
There's no language in our CBA, there's no rules to it.
This is uncharted territory for everybody. Everybody's trying to figure
out the difference in the two he goes on the
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terms of his return, they seem like a lot a
lot of players expressed discomfort with those terms. He made
a mistake. He posted something there's no distinction. We maybe
we can move forward, but the terms in which he
has to fulfill to return, I think, not just speaking
for me, speaking as a vice president, a lot of
players we didn't agree to those terms that required for
him to come back, and we're we're waiting for this
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Tuesday meeting to happen to see what comes of it.
Will go from there. That's all I'll say. Okay, remember
here are the terms. Apologize and condemned the film, apologizic
and in the film, which he has done. Um make
a five donation to an anti hate anti hate causes,
which he tried to do, but the Anti Defamation League
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wouldn't take it. He's got to meet with them in person.
That's part of it. Me with the A. D. L
and Jewish leaders, complete anti Semitism training, complete sensitivity training,
meet with our team owner Joe Sigh to demonstrate an
understanding the situation. I don't think any of that is
that that major. None of it is major. Couple meetings,
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a sizeable check which he had already agreed to donate, uh,
some sensitivity training, anti Semitic training, whatever, and and go
on about your day. And I agree, there's a strong
likelihood he doesn't complete it. And this is the an
easy way for the NETS to say he doesn't want
to be a member of the NETS. Here's the problem
with what Jalen Brown is doing. Because Jalen Brown is
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very bright, and Jalen Brown, who is I mean, let's
just be on. He is crazy woke, okay, and as
somebody who is crazy woke, but kind of the real
I I do think he's kind of the real deal.
He's not a he's not one of these phonies like
he actually is I think sensitive towards all people, right,
He's the I actually think a lot of Jalen Brown.
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The problem is that he's not actually applying the context
of Kyrie Irving situation appropriately. He's saying he made a mistake,
he apologized for it. Why do we have to keep
doing this? And most of us, if it was that easy,
would feel the same. The differences, all the other ship
that Kyrie Irving has done, and the fact that he
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was given a week in which he refused to apologize
several times over the language he used, the fact he
tries to outsmart everybody in a press conference. He's no
different than Aaron Rodgers and what Aaron Rodgers did last
year with the with the where you vaccinated? Yes, I'm
what was it? Yes, I'm not inoculated. Yes, I'm immunized,
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you know, trying to be some smart words smith and
outsmart the rest of us, Like, you don't need any
of that crap. You don't need any of it. So
he's also not taking into account all the other things
that Kyrie Irving has done that preempted this. If if
it was just he tweeted out a movie and then
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apologize for tweeting I didn't know is in it? I'm sorry,
we'd all be done with this ship by now, but
we're not, because that's not what happened. Kyr Irving's got
a litany of other things that have been about him
or been challenging the media or been really uncomfortable in
terms of his dealings with teammates or with owners. And
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then you have the Brooklyn situation, which I've chronicled before.
But if we just used the last year as the snapshot,
or last six months of snapshot, when they lost last year,
Sean Marks definitively said, we want guys who play for
each other. Kyrie is not seen as that. We want
guys who are available. Kyrie, He's not seen as that. Right,
we want people that part of our culture. He is
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not seen as that. And then you factor in all
these other things. So Jalen Brown is right, he just
ain't right about Kyrie and I it's not. It's not
that I think Jalen Brown is anti Semitic for supporting Kyrie.
I don't. He's talking about the process. He's talking about, Hey,
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did something tweeted something? There's there's a distinction between tweeting
it and actually I agree with him. By the way,
there's also a distinction between something you say and some
of you're saying a joke and how you actually act right,
Like a racist doesn't drop a line which is racially uncomfortable.
Whatever that you need to apologize for a racist actually
holds things against you because of the color your skin, Like,
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that's a racist. Those people you can go away. Not
that we need uh racial humor in any way. But
the point is that so oftentimes we call people who
use insensitive li anguage racist. That's not what a racist is.
That's somebody who uses in sensitive language. That's what Jalen
Brown is talking about. There's a distinction between saying it,
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saying a line, or saying something or acting in a
way or doing something which which is racially insensitive and
somebody who's a racist. But we don't do that, We
won't make that distinction, even though Jalen smartly says, hey,
we should make a distinction. Now. The the one point
that should be made that is the counter to what
Jalen Brown is saying, which is he didn't just tweet
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it and go like, hey, I haven't seen it. He
said afterwards, I won't stand down, and he didn't really
back up what his beliefs were or what he is
not gonna stand down about. So Jalen is not wrong here.
He's just wrong about Kyrie because he's not taking the
context of the nuance of this Kyrie situation into effect.
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Let's get to our list of the day. It's time
for the list of the day. I'm on the list.
Oh snap, why didn't you say so? Our list of
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the day is the top ten teams in the National
Football League has voted on by me. Number ten. Let's
start with number ten, Number New York Jets. They they
just beat the Buffalo Bills. They've beaten the Green Bay Packers,
which at the time we thought was a great win.
The New York Jets are at ten at six and three. Um,
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they've beaten they have lost the Ravens ranked ahead of him,
have lost to since Nanny ranked ahead of him, have
lost the Patriots, who honestly could be right here on
this list, but beat the Bills, beat the Packers and
Broncos on the road, which you can say what you
want about both those teams winning on the road as
impressive plus in Pittsburgh as a win. UM, I'm gonna
put the Jets in ten. Number nine, the Cincinnati Bengals,
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the defending an f C champs. Lost the first two
games the year, and since then, well they've gone five
and two. Lost to the Ravens, have them lost to
the Steelers? Below them, Cowboys ahead of them. Brown's okay,
but remember they're doing this without Jamaar Chase. Jamar Chase
is expected to return. If Jamar Chase returns, I mean again, Uh,
there's other teams that have far more injuries that I'm
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holding against them. The one head against since because they
put it all together against Carolina, I expect them to
be Pittsburgh too. Then they got Tennessee and Kent's City
will find out how good they are at the top
of the league. But put Since at nine, number eight.
Baltimore complete mash unit, but LaVar is good enough. They're
good enough to figure out a way to win. I
love the addition of ro Kuwan Smith for their three
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four defense. Um, it's weird. People forget justin Houston was
what a half sacked short of breaking so tying stray
Hand's record, and the old guy still has it in
the tank. Is a good football team, well coached, not great,
especially with all their injuries, but they find a way
to survive in advance. Number seven, their one dimention on offense,
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but that's a really good dimension. The Tennessee Titans. They
gave kanc City everything they wanted. Well, we'll put the
Titans there. Number six. Dallas Cowboys defense is really good.
I think they have the league's MVP and a Michael
Parsons offensive. Solid Cowboys. Now we get closer to division play,
and before that was a laugher. Now it's pretty difficult.
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We'll see how they react. Number five. This one will
surprise people, but I think there are different teams since
they added Christian McCaffrey and they're starting to get other
pieces healthy. Maybe they never get fully healthy, maybe they
never leave live up to their building. But I'm gonna
put San Francisco at five. Number four Minnesota Minnesota. Basically,
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they've won the NFC North already. They keep getting road
wins when people think they can't. I know, they just
beat the Washington Commanders, but it's more uh of of
what it means for for Kirk Cousins. I'll put UM Minnesota.
Probably a little bit overrated, but considering their success, I
don't think anybody would argue with them being top ten,
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maybe not top five. Put them at four. Number three,
I'm still gonna put the Eagles. They're good, they win,
Jalen Hurtch is playing well. They're good football team. They've
got an awesome defense, they get after them, pressure the
pastor they just haven't played anybody, so I can't give
him credit for winning games against inferior teams. Number two,
Kans City finds a way. They get the best quarterback
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in the business, great play callers, good play calling. A
very very good team. But more than anything, just my
homes finds a way. We'll put them into number one.
I'm keeping Buffalo there, keeping Buffalo. You know, saw how
they played against Kansas City, won the game on the road.
They played well in big games, and let's be honest,
you can't play well every week. I still put Buffalo
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is my number one team. There's my list of the day.
And now this is Britty Quinn and LaVar Arrington. I
see what I did, their guys, I was gonn to
combine the two. They said this about the college football
regular season. I think college football's regular season, to me,
is more entertaining than the NFL. And it's imparted because
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you have less games. There's a lot more of of
unpredictable things that happen and just craziness. So I tend
to think that college football regular season is better than
NFL regular season. However, there's nothing like NFL playoffs, the
Super Bowl all that, like conference you know, the the
a f C, NFC conference championships like that. That's huge
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in and of itself. So um And like some people
would say, college football has always been about the regular season.
You know, you go back before the playoff, right like
we basically would we would basically play a regular season.
It wasn't even conference championship games. And then you go
play a bowl game. Then they the a p would
vote on who they think the best team is. So
it's kind of always been about the regular season. I
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do think it's it's it's more fun. In my opinion.
I love it so much, and not because I had
a better college career than I did a pro career.
I just think in terms of the entertainment value of
a Saturday versus a Sunday, there's way more excitement. Yeah,
I'm gonna disagree there. I mean, I think they're taking it.
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In the snapshots, Brady goes to the big New Big
Neon kickoff game. Those games are incredible. There's lots of
other games that aren't incredible. And I think we're reacting
to the fact that the NFL has had this rare
run of poorly played games. Especially the offenses haven't been
lighting of the scoreboard. But like, I don't know, you
you think back to Buffalo and Kansas City two weeks ago.
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That was a pretty exciting game, like every Kan City
game seemingly is, except for when they played I mean,
when they play Knce City and lost. I mean, we
don't play Indian lost, like that was still exciting. I
just do I think that the stadiums are a little
bit antiseptic in comparison to college Sadams. Of course that's
always been the case, but there's a ton of college
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football games. They're exciting, they're intriguing, but they're not played
at the level usually the NFL. The problem is this year,
the NFL can't say that because they've had so many
poorly played games. Um, I the NFL guys are so
much but it's just different. It's just different. But I
think the part that the interesting point that was made
is how exciting the postseason is in the NFL and
why the college football is clearly trying to copy that.
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Here's Craig Carton on a show called Carton on Fox
Sports one this morning. This is not a knock on
Jeff Saturday. He's never coached college, he's never coached the pros.
What's fascinating about it is, take for just a second
the possibility that Jim er say is crazy as a fox. Right,
they don't have what they don't have a quarterback? Right?
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What's the easiest way to get a quarterback which they
haven't had since Andrew Luck retired? Uh, what's it now
three and a half four years ago? Right, lose a
lot of games? Well, how can you guarantee losing a
lot of games? A bad quarterback and Sam Elnger, a
lousy offensive line, no running attack and oops, oh, by
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the way, a coach who's never coached before. This might
be the most brilliant hiring in the history of the NFL.
It assures them that they will not win another game
this year, and they then are in the running for
one of the top two or three picks in this
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year's draft. Bang, we got ourselves a quarterback. Yeah, I
know there's some and I know Craig is kind of
tongue planted in cheek. Some of it he kind of believes,
some of it he doesn't, uh, And that's kind of
the what's fun entertaining about him. The reality is that
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there's a couple of different levels to it. We are
making a gigantic deal about it. Gigantic. Oh, think of
all the culture on the Okay, it was one job
that you're not going to get to keep. Right, It's
one job you're not gonna get to keep, whereas at
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least you could you can put on tape what you're
if you're an offensive coordinator, what you're running back room.
First of all, if you're hiring an interim coach, you're
not bringing in anybody from another coach from outside the organization.
So it's only inside the organization. And Jeff Saturday's loyalty
is to who Jim ursay, and so Jim Rsey says, like,
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when you think of that guy, what do you think
of that guy? He can give you an honest opinion
because he didn't hire him, he didn't have to fire him,
and he could tell you. It's it's almost like he's
coming in to analyze your program. We're making a gigantic
deal of a guy who he knows not keeping the job,
who's loyal to the Colts, and just try and and
and by the way, they could give him the job
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if he does well enough. The likehood is he won't.
And I also think this idea that well, they're definitely
gonna lose games. Why, Like Frank Reich wasn't working, They
weren't winning games. Let's see if the guy works, Let
them coach, see how they're coached, and move forward. That's uh,
this is calling cow heard talking about Lamar Jackson, watching
Lamar Jackson last night. Pay them already. The number one
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quality of a franchise quarterback is when your team isn't right,
can he carry you to a win? So the best
tight end in football, or at least a second best
mark Edward Ravens uh not available, their best receiver out
in a weak receiving corps, the defense has holes on
the back end. Um oh yes, it's Monday night football
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in the loudest road venue in the league and Lamar
Jackson barely broke a sweat, completed passes to ten different people,
huge on third down, and that is what it looks like.
That is a franchise quarterback. It's different, it's unique. People
can't care their arms around it, but it's incredibly special.
And if you're constantly as a fan, you're constantly blaming
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because you have a quarterback and you're not sure if
he's a franchise quarterback. And I've said this before, but
you're constantly blaming the receivers and the coordinator and the
offensive line and the lack of a running game. You
don't have it. You don't have him. That's what the
Giants are doing, and the Jets are doing, and Commanders
are doing, and Lions are doing, and Carolina is doing.
They're blaming other people. Lamar Jackson goes on the road.
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One of the toughest Monday night football environments doesn't have
a world class tight end is best receiver in a
bad receiving corps um, you know, and a defense that
can be very susceptible. And Andy Dalton looked like a
flip phone and he looked like the latest iPhone. Look.
We started by saying this, and we'll put in this
radio show and put this in here, saying pam him,
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stop we do this stupid ship all the time. Stop
with the nonsense and The problem is calling is much
smarter than this, but he it's like it's a way
of generating some sort of positive. No one has ever said,
don't pay Lamar Jackson. Has anyone ever said that. Has
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anyone ever said, don't give him a contract? You know what,
he sucks? Let him walk? Has anybody said that? Has
that ever been uttered? Then why the fuck are we
saying pay him? They gotta pay him. No one didn't
want to pay him. Baltimore wants to pay him. You
know what Baltimore doesn't want to do. They don't want
to pay him five years guaranteed contracts at the top
of the market. Do you know why? Because he's very
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He's good, He's great in their system. Great? Was he
great last night? No? Now can you say? Oh the
limitations of not having he also didn't have his starting
running back? You know there, I'm mash, you know I
get it. Okay, they played complimentary football. The defense one
of the game. The offense did just enough, converted on
third down, kept the defense off the field. Andy Dalton
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is not good enough. They don't have Michael Thomas. They're
just not. The Saints aren't good. How do I know
we have nine games to tell us they're not good.
It is already. It is one of the whole pay
him already, Like shut the funk up with all this stuff.
No one's saying don't pay him. The only thing anyone
has ever disputed is the is whether or not you
should pay him. What Deshaun Watson God, which is absolutely ludicrous.
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And and oh yeah, by the way, all of you
fucking idiots with the guy, and I'm not calling you know,
it's not fair all you people who are saying idiotic things,
because you're not idiotic people. You're just giving into a
stupid fucking narrative, which is really concerning. Okay, whose highest
paid quarterback in the NFL? Who is it? M B?
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Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson? How they doing this year?
Like the whole thing is like, here's the thing. I
had a GM tell me this. You know, if I
save a couple million dollars in a contract, you know,
I don't get to slide it into my own pocket, right.
All I do is I use that money somewhere else. Now,
if I have cap space, I use it somewhere else.
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That's what I do. This, Pam know what they offered
him a contract worth report over two d million dollars
in guarantees, probably more along the lines of what Russell
Wilson got what, more money than what Russell what? What?
Kyler Murray got more money than what Derek Carr got,
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more money that went than all those guys, those mid
level guys got. You know, it's a good contract. They
just don't want to give him five years guaranteed, no
cut contract the way to Shaun Watson has and you're like, oh,
just just pay him. Why why I don't have to?
There's leverage there, like a franchise taging my franchise tag
him again. He's good, can you win? You? Can you?
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When you the actual true I would agree with them
in terms of franchise. That's like ace right, It's like
an asan baseball Where what does an asan baseball do
when you lost, you know, your first three games the
series in four games, set the ace picks of the
bung As fellas, I got this ship we're gonna go
home with at least to win, right. But the other
thing you have to do as a franchise quarterback could
be able to win games in the playoffs. Track the
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teams that win in the playoffs. They're almost they're all
Hall of Fame quarterbacks. That's what separates you. He's been
able to do that, and even if he was sending
the world on fire, like I'd still struggle with the
more than I mean, like even Pat Mahomes deal. Hey,
in Pat Mom's deal, there's a way for them to
get there's a way for them to get out of
early on. But like this is the stupid like we
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keep doing the stupid ship. It's so frustrating. I'm not
a Lamar fan nor a Lamar hater. I'm the actual
only real person telling you how it is. He's good,
they love them, they're not lett him go. He ain't
going anywhere for at least at least after two more
seasons and then maybe Okay, they couldn't get a deal
(21:55):
worked out because he wants what Deshaun Watson got, And
I've told you for five fucking months that that's what
he wants, because everybody I know in Baltimore is like that.
He wants to Shaun money, and we're not gonna give
him to Shaun money. We'll give him three years of
huge money, and if he had an agent, we'd find
a way to creatively make it work, but we don't,
so we have to make it work through his mom
(22:17):
or through him. And he does have an uh, he
does have a lawyer who but doesn't know all the
intricacies of how to hide it from the cap and
move it all around. So he just wants to flat
out guarantee and we ain't gonna give it to him
because everybody in the league thinks that's god damn stupid.
But the only thing dumber than the idea of giving
him a five year contract that's worth more money than
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Deshaun Watson, even though in all honesty he checks more boxes,
no off the field, no injuries. You know, he's one.
I think as many playoff games as de Shaun Watson. Like,
I get it. I get the idea how it's always
worked in your mind, which is I get one dollar
more than the guy who signed before. That's an outlier contract.
No one in the lead thinks otherwise except for Lamar
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and then fan boys or people and be like Pam,
there's never been a dispute. Ever, the Baltimore Ravens have
never privately or publicly not one to pay uh, not
want to pay Lamar Jackson. But they don't want to
give him five years guaranteed, and they have every right
to to operate the way they're operating. And oh yeah,
by the way, it's not hurting them, so we need
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to stop with that stupid ship. Pay them already. That's
the Fox Say Say. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
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(23:47):
Yes you were, that's a did you did you like
crak Carton saying that he didn't think the Colts would
win another game the whole season? Um? Yeah, and then
the Colts are winning game. I just you know, if
they now, if they I got into a little bit
in the in the uh in the radio show, but
I'll get into it here. There's an expression in the
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NFL which goes like this, owners own, owners own. What's
that mean? Why they change quarterbacks, why they fire their
offensive coordinator, why they hired Jef Saturday? Because that's what
Jim Ersay wants. Owners owned. Oh yeah, by the way,
I think it's hysterical, hysterical what Jim Ersay did to
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Dan Snider like, look, I respect the fact that Jim
Ersay has come back from an addiction. I do like
we all have our flaws, none of the superific perfect people.
His addiction became public. Let's just be honest that Jim
er say, all the stuff he went through and some
of the things he did. If what happened fifteen years
ago was today, there'd be other owners calling for him
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to lose his job. And the bait and switch of hey,
I'm gonna put all the media pressure on Dan Snyder. Meanwhile,
I'm gonn and named Sam Elvinger, who can't play in
the NFL as a starting quarterback. Then I'm gonna while
firing the offense quarter and then firing the coach, then
the hiring Jeff Saturday. All of those things are beyond bizarre.
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And yet he's the one who's like, hey, I think
Dan Snyder, now's the time to for us to make
himself crazy crazy stuff. All right, So all of that,
the discussion about Lamar pay him, that's annoying. Let's find
out what else is annoying, and now it's your annoying. Alright,
(25:40):
I'm not gonna be the Grin Show on this one.
I'll let Jason Stewart be the Grins show on this one.
You didn't like Fred Vanvleet's press conference, wil For those
who didn't see it right, Fred van Fleet had his
daughter up at the press conference, yeah, in front of
the mic, and it was cute, don't get me wrong.
He said something and then she kept doing the kind
of the what is that the face palm emoji and
(26:03):
it's become a meme and that's cool. It's cute. But
in general, UM, I think kids at a press conference.
I think everyone kind of jokes that it's usually because
an athlete wants to shield themselves from criticism or whatever. Um.
I just think it's unprofessional. Period. Uh. If I brought
my child, or if John brought his baby into work,
I wouldn't think any different way. It's just it's a workplace. Um.
(26:27):
Children should not be involved in your process. Speaking to
the media after the game is the process. I think,
not Fred van Fleet per se, but anybody who thinks
it's a good idea to bring their children up to
the microphone during a press conference, you're annoying. So it's
an annoy England, I had my son at the microphone
at the Breeders cap for a couple of weeks. Scioni's
(26:50):
in studio on yesterday. I edited you out, but you
were going to be third on my list. Doug Gottlieb
is annoying for putting kids on the air. Alright, Uh,
you don't like head coaches wearing visors either? Why it
struck me last night as I saw the head coach
of the Saints um with a visor on, and then
I thought, wait, Sean Payton before him had a visor.
(27:12):
And then I'm thinking how many coaches wear a visor?
I think Peterson down to Jacksonville. But what I couldn't
find with somebody explaining what the benefit of advisor is
over a ball cap, especially in a dome last night.
I don't know if it's a fashion thing, if it's
a look thing, but like, I think visors look lame
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like Personally, I'm not the master of fashion, but I
think any coach that decides to put a visor on
as opposed to a ball cap is annoying. But if
you're gonna wear one, I need to at least google
search a reason. I need you to tell me. Why
do you do you know why, Doug? Why people wear
visors instead of hats. Yes, I don't know. I don't know.
(27:58):
I don't know. The only I mean, it's just kind
of a thing. I mean, you wear a visor to
keep the sun under your face. I guess it's so
that your hair can flow out there. I guess it's
a hair thing. I think it's a hair thing. That's
what it is. The only thing. Whereas when you when
you wear a baseball hat, you get hat head. When
you wear a visor, you get visor head. But it
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still lets the the the the lettuce flow. That's the
only thing. You think of. The third candidate today, and
I think I did him twice last week, so this
will be the third one in about eight days. Sean
McVeigh continues to disappoint. I'm not a Rams fan. I
know we have one in the building here. But remember
we played the sound of Jalen Ramsey coming off of
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the game where he just torched the offense and by extension,
the head coach, because the head coach calls the place. Um,
he basically called his head coach out and used many
cuss words and said, why the hell was our defense
back on the field after we stopped Tom Brady the
first time? Um, you had said on the air yes today.
(29:01):
All of what he just said is true, but he
shouldn't say it out loud, and I kind of agree
with that. But as the head coach, Sean McVeigh had
this to say yesterday about those comments. I talked to
Jalen and I am aware of those things talked to
you know, I talked with him this morning. Jalen is
a great competitor. You know. He would say the same
thing on the defensive side of the ball if the
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roles were reversed. So he's always gonna be honest. He
wants to win. He's passionate about this. He is uh.
He is supportive of his teammates. But that's enough. That's enough.
That's not so. Sean goes on for another thirty seconds
about positive stuff and how we need to turn this
thing around yet again, just like what's his face a
couple of weeks ago, La flour When somebody calls you
(29:43):
out publicly and you don't take a stand. You just
said and in a rant that owners owned, coaches coach
players play. At some point, Sean mcveighy needs to push
back here, and are you realizing a trend here? Cam
akers disappeared this year was put on the healthy uh
do not playlist? Whatever the hell that is? Um? And
(30:06):
now Jalen Ramsey's calling out this guy. I think there's
a trend here people starting to second guess Sean McVeigh.
And he's not taking a stance. He's taking the high
road and the positive answers. Sean McVeigh, you're annoying today
for not just standing up for yourself in this moment. Okay,
you got one more as well. Uh No, Sean McVeigh.
(30:27):
Visors and kids at press conferences. Um, all right, what
about what about you? What about you? Ramless? You got
anybody that annoys you? Nope? I think those are three
really good ones. Um. You know, I mean, I don't
want to really knock McVeigh, but he is always positive
about everything. And you actually talked about this yesterday that
you thought what Jayla Ramsy said it was correct, but
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he shouldn't say that out loud. So why would McVeigh
say it out loud back to him? He just would
be say it it's as the way you wanted him
to say it. So I'm not gonna say Sean McVeigh
would be the most annoying. UM, I don't know about
visor is. I could care less what the coach wear.
They want to wear a hat ad visor doesn't bother
me at all. It's a weird. It is a weird thing, though,
that they wear the visors. Right, Um, can I add
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one in the right? I can? I can add one
in here? I got one. Um, people that don't watch
sports sports events and look at the box score and
then I want to like make a point about it,
but clearly didn't watch a game. That's a lot of people.
Oh my god. Well, first of all, like college basketball
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last night, there's like a hundred and twenty games, right,
everybody plays, and there's something there's one guy in particular.
But some people I follow on Twitter for now until
they want to charge me, Um, that clearly only watched
the box score. I mean, clearly, I'll give you. I'll
give you the easy example. I'm not gonna I'm not
(31:52):
gonna name names on who has tweeted about it and
talked about it. But I was watching Michigan, for example,
and and Michigan was planned yesterday they played. I don't
know somebody who's stunk. I'll think of it in a second,
but what you know, uh, on on one level, I
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understand he was Jazz Howard was a highly touted recruit,
and he's son of Juwan Howard. Okay, they played it
used to be Indiana Perdue Fort Wayne, and now I
you left, so now it's Perdue Fort Wayne. Truly, this
actually happened. They changed the school changed names anyway, Um
(32:33):
that if you look at the box score, Uh, Jazz
Howard had on five threes. There's your story, right, because
he was a highly tattered recruit. Who said whose debt? Yeah?
But Hunter Dickinson had had three blocks in minutes, only
missed two shots. I mean, he was unbelievable. And the
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best part of what when when they decided to dominate
the game is when they played through Hun Cokinson. He
was dominant at both ends of the court, and he's
shown an improvement in his ability to defend out on
the floor. He's always been good defending the room. He
was far and away the best actual basketball player. But
he didn't hit five threes. His name is not Jazz
Howard and so that's why whoever was following him just
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simply looked at the box score, and that's what they
tweeted about. So, guy that looks at box score doesn't
actually watch a game and then wants you to think
that they watched the game and took away something profound
from it. You're annoying. You're really really annoying. As for
the most empirically annoying person, what was who was the
first one? Uh? Fred van Fleet or anybody who takes
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a kid up to a press conference? Yeah, Fred VanVleet,
I don't like Fred Vanvleet's kid is really really cute,
and kids are really cute. But I tend to agree
with you, right, like, if you're going to be up there,
I mean, because imagine if you had if you had
a kid like my hey, my son wants asked you
a question? Um, Mr van Fleet, what's your favorite pair
(34:01):
of shoes? Right like you would that wouldn't be deemed professional,
especially when like, hey man, we only get ten minutes
with a guy, and you had your kid ask you
a questions. I actually agree with you. I don't mind
having kids there. They can be cute and and they
should see how many people want to hear their dad
answer questions. And it does make it where the language
(34:22):
is more acceptable, Like right, you have to kind of
change because your kids there, But the idea that you
completely stop and disrespect the process. Not that Fred did,
but others have. That's that's annoying. And and a lot
of times kids will ask questions at the super Bowl.
That's kind of the fun thing, right, there's always like
one kid day a day, which is a waste of
time anyway. Yeah, but what if Fred, What if Fred
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had a bad gabe or some somebody wanted to ask
him a question about something bad he did. It's kind
of tough to ask that when you're when you're a
cute little kid, your daughter, your son's next to you.
They're not gonna be like, Fred, what a horrible shot
you talk on that third third quarter that you know
we put you down by two. I mean, you've know
bad because little kids up there and it's it's just
a bad look. I agree. So, uh, professional athlete who
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brings his kid to the podium, let's just be honest. Yeah,
I know, big. Let's get to our pick of the day.
All right, let's let's let's start. And this is a
weird one, okay, but let's start. Let's start in college basketball.
There's no NBA games tonight because of the election. College
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basketball was supposed to give kids the day off. Some
of them haven't done it. Georgetown is coached by Patrick Doing,
at least for now. They've obviously struggled mightily. Okay, struggled
mightily to put together good enough seasons, and he's kind
of hanging on by a limb. He's got a new lead, gun,
(35:50):
refined team. And tonight they opened their season against Coppin State. Now,
before you say eighteen a half points Coppin State, keep
in mind that Coppin State is one of these teams.
At Um plays a ridiculous schedule. Right. Their schedule is
they played at Charlotte last night and got pummeled by
twenty three points. Play George Town tonight, then Friday, they
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play Mountain St. Mary's. Monday they play Navy. They still
go to Maryland, they still go to NC State, they
still go to George Washington, still go to East Carolina,
they go to George Mason, they go to Rutgers, they
go to Richmond. They're just gonna collect els and collect checks,
including tonight it's an eighteen and a half point line. Now,
George Town's got a new team. I don't know how
good they'll be. I do I don't think they'll finish
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and the at the actual bottom of the Big East,
and tonight they're gonna eviscerate Coppin State. It's not like football,
where night to you make adjustments from night one you
get a little bit better. But when you've been beaten
by more than twenty and smashed by an average program
in your first game, and now you take on a
program at a higher level, it's usually worse than the
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kind of snowballs on you. Anyway, The point is take
Georgetown even with the eight and a half, and you'll
thank me later. That's the pick of the day, all right, Mike,
Thanks to Jason Stewart, to John Ramos, to you for listening. Man,
What a what a weird day in the NBA last night,
where Russell Westbrook seems to have figured it out and
(37:18):
yet now they're waiting on Dennis Shrewder to try and
figure out how they can win games. The Lakers there
there a mess. We talked a little bit about Kyrie Irving.
Give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show on Twitter, at
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