May 9, 2023 • 37 mins
Doug breaks down the Lakers game four win over the Warriors as he welcomes his brother Gregg Gottlieb onto the podcast to give his coaching perspective. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on what Julius Randle said after the Knicks' loss. Doug chooses among deserving candidates for who is most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives you his "Pick Of The Day".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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we can. So that's a and we have really good
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stuff today.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So I'm watching the.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Game last night and it triggered a conversation that I
had with my brother about all time great point guards.
My brother Greg is an assistant coach the women's side
with Grand Canyon for twenty five years. On the men's side,
Cal Polly San Luis OBISPO sax State, San Diego State
for eight years, Cal for six years, Oregon State for
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six years, and he was like, look, part of it
is the position has evolved, but part of it is
And this is a good portion of the discussion, which
is Steph Curry is an unbelievable offensive player, but he
got cooked last night on defense, I mean cooked, absolutely cooked.
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And so the question becomes, does that change how you
view him in his all time greatness? Like there's a
uniqueness to it. My brother Greg joins us now in
the bonus here on The Doug Gottlieb Show, Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
So.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How would you differentiate Steph not being a good defender
to like people think Magic Johnson wasn't a good defensive player.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I mean, honestly, I look at it more like in
today's modern day. What's different is that everyone can there's
ways to hide guys because you know, in the past, yeah,
there was a legal defense, but everyone's playing man to
man and now you look at how many teams you're
playing different versions of zone. But I mean, you know,
Jokich would be another one that really doesn't guard anybody,
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but they figure out a way to hide him. And
I think that's what they've been doing with staff. So
it's really just a difference again in the era and
how you how people are defending now because they're being
more creative to be able to take a guy who's
an exceptional offensive player and figure out a way to
mask his limitations on defense.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, it's interesting you bring up the zone thing.
I do think that if Steve Kirk could go back
when you've gone zone late, because they just couldn't get
a stop late in that game. And look, the Lakers
were held out, held helped up by a couple of
a couple of moving screen calls. There's I think three
of them, which which helped get extra possessions. But like
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they Lonnie Walker got loose, Steph was guarding him. Lebron
got to the freedom line two consecutive times, Steph was
guarding him. And I agree with you right now, they
they pick on you. If you can't guard, they're going
to run you out of the game. And if you
can't shoot, they're going to make you be able to
shoot the ball or you'll be completely ineffective. So obviously
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he can shoot. It's the struggles to guard. And it's
just interesting on how basketball has evolved where they can.
I think it's because everybody can so many you always
have four guys in the court that can shoot. That
if maybe in the old days they would throw a
double team at you, Now guys just pass out the
double team and it's way way too easy.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, I mean, honestly though that you look, I mean,
obviously that was the eighties and nineties, was you know,
you had to have a dominant center. You're draw in
a double and then you you know, you kick it
out to whoever's helping and then you got to make shots.
That that was, you know, and the game's changed so much,
I mean right now, like Phoenix, for example, they don't
have anybody to put any pressure on Yokich, you know,
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and a lot of times Jokich just guard. He doesn't
even always guard eight. And the guard whoever's the least
likely to score, they just you know, almost dare that
guy to shoot, you know. So those are where I
think it's really different. And but I do think it's
cool to see NBA coaches being creative defensively. You know,
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a lot of teams, everybody since the Clippers now, I
guess they're all everyone's doubling Kadie as soon as he
catches the ball and kind of all eighties and nineties
except for he's on a perimeter and it's you know,
he's he's had some big scoring games where there's a
lot of games where he's kind of negated because they're
doubling every single time he touches it, which changes the
way Phoenix had to play. So just all these teams,
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you see people playing a triangle in two or a
box and one, or playing some version of the zone,
and zone is obviously a little harder with you know,
how long you can be in the paint but you know,
I feel like that's what where I think you see
a lot of differences because otherwise people just exploit mismatches.
Like you just said, they'll just pick on a guy
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if they know you can't guard and just keep coming
at you. So they got to do something different.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, okay, So how does it? How do you look
at Steph Curry? You know, last night shooting percentage is
not great, but made some unbelievable plays on the ball,
towards the passing the ball, with using the ball screen
in transition, and yet defensively really really struggled, especially in
the second half and in the fourth quarter. How does
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that you know, as a guy who's done this for
a long time, how how do you look at Steph
Curry and his the overall effectiveness?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Well, I guess there's kind of twofold. I mean, the
question is, you know, I think the initial question you
had early on was is a point guard? The second
question is the effective I mean, he obviously he's he's
just so explosive offensively, with unlimited range, ability to shoot
off the dribble, and he takes so many of those
shots where it looks like it's a bad shot. But
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he makes it, you know, I mean, like with just
a split second kind of fading away and hardly looking
into the basket. But I mean he he has that
incredible release and he makes a lot of hard shots.
As far as being a point guard, I think the
point guard positions change so much from when you know,
you and I were kids. You know, the only true
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point guard that I can think of right now is
Chris Paul. And even there's times Chris Paul, you know
it's not ideal suited for Phoenix sometimes and can play
faster and always have the ball in his hands. But
you know, if you're recruiting high school players to college,
for example, you see a guy who's done a great
job running a team, but he can't score a lot
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of guys aren't going to take him anyway, you know,
even though that's point what they need when there when
they have them on their team. I think most kids
that think they're a point guard think they got to
score off a ball screen, and then eventually you learn
how to make decisions and reads off a ball screen.
But there's so much more than just playing off a
ball screen to be in a point guard in the
old school sense. But now they're just so much more
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scoring oriented. So I mean, I think you can you
could throw Dame Lollard right in there with the conversation
Steph Curry. He just hasn't been in his talented a team.
But I mean he's a very similar type of player.
When you say.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think the problem with the Damian
Lillard comp is that when they faced off in the
playoffs it hasn't really been close. Like Steph is a
much He's just a better version. Yes, there's some similarities there.
I don't think Dame is the creative he's you know,
like uh, I mean, I think he's he's not as
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good without the basketball. He may be as good with
the basketball in his hands. And then a similar you know,
neither is the most creative pass in the world. But
Steph's a little bit better. And then I think Steph's
a little bit better finisher. But I think he's a
similar explosive player. Defensively, I don't think either are particularly good.
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I do think Steph tries. I just think there's obviously
a size and strength limitation, which I think Lillard has
that some of that as well. So the other similarities,
I just think that's a better version.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I just look at it that a lot of it
is a style of play based on personnel and all that.
So really, up until only recently, the Dame Millard's playing
in a really old school three out two D a
lot of times, you know, and when they get in
the playoffs, everybody traps them on the ball screen instead
of paint protect and they make their guys their posts
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that aren't really good shooters beat them, which with jump shots.
That's what's happened in the playoffs for or Litard the
last couple years. They aren't good enough to be in
the playoffs, but they were maybe have adjusted and playing
a little more for out round one with a you know,
with a post, that job is just to get name open.
But that's where I think it's been different, you know,
in terms of the Warriors style of play, so and
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then their personnel. I mean, he's always had some other
really good shooters around him, which also helps, yeah, you know,
because yeah, we're like to your point though, when Steph
does a good job is when he gives the ball
up and you know you can't rest because then he'll
find a way to get himself open again and get
a catch and shoot shot that might look like it's
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off balance and a bad shot. There you go, and
then you know so, but he's obviously the consistency that
he's had. I mean, for a guy who's not known
for his athleticism and thirty five years old, I mean,
he's kind of I don't know, you'd have to you know,
maybe a better version of Steve Nash really is where
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he's kind of at you know, for a guy to
play that long and be that effective as a guard. Yeah, yeah, so,
you know, I think he's tremendous. So, but I'm not
sure if he's an old school point guard, but I
think he's. I don't know that there is a whole
lot of those guys, nor do I know that the
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NBA wants those guys right now.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Sure, I think that's I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Jordan Poole, have you ever seen a guy do that
where it's just a mental midget like this guy was
a hell of a player last year in the playoffs.
Now you get to the playoffs this year and you
kind of can't play him.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, I think, man, I think that's just goes to
show you the power of the mind, you know. I
don't care. I don't think it matters whether you're a
high school player or a college player or pro. I mean,
there's so much that goes on in terms of how
you how you think in the game, and you can
lose your self confidence and then and you know, if
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you lose your self confidence, I mean, it just can
completely tank your game. Uh where. I don't know that
has anything to do with the physical element, but there's
definitely a psychological element. I mean, they literally didn't play
him in uh the game the other day when that
they want so, I mean, it is it is crazy
to think like that, you know. Again, you know, I've
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had a lot of high school kids that ask me
what's the between high school and college? To me, I
think the number one thing would be that deep seated
self confidence. And I think if you look around in
general in the NBA, the guys that are elite, they
have that deep seated self confidence that you don't really
don't like walk around carry themselves that way, but they
just they can't be shook, you know. And it was
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interesting because in the game that the Lakers lost, that's
when Lebron kind of looked like he kind of got jilted.
You know, there was some bad calls maybe a little bit,
but he kind of wasn't himself in that game. And
he's had a couple of moments in his career like that.
I think he had one when he was.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
With Miami where he lost his confidence.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But Miami Miami when they when they lost to Dallas,
he lost his confidence.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
So that part's really interesting to see, Like if you
see someone who's that good lose their confidence, that's crazy.
Do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Do you think the series is over? No?
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Neither, No, I don't because the Warriors are such a
veteran team. They just need to regroup. They were so
close to getting this game obviously that you know, a
guy that the X factor they weren't probably considering Lonnie Walker,
and I'm sure they were going to come back with
some firepower in this in the next game. But they
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got to win. The game's on the line. They got
to figure out how to make plays at both the
offensive defensive end a little.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
More better shots.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You got to get better shots, like make you make
a big deal about Steph missing those shots. And the
first one, the one footer was actually in and out,
you know, but I mean you're going to live and
die with contested threes like that. That's a hard way
to live. Whereas you know, credit lebron, I didn't think
it was a foul the second one, but you know,
he gets to the free throw line and and even
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even Lonnie Walker shots, most of those are all midi's,
you know, like when you get tired. Whereas Clay just
took two terrible shots. Man, those are not good.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I mean, I think that's the thing that Clay can
do more than just catch and shoot, but he's not
great at getting foaled. And I think that's the thing
that really when Steph gets really going is when he
he makes you know, he starts drawing fouls left and right,
you know, and I love that that. You know, in
college basketball, they definitely have it, they keep that stat
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you know, fouls drawn. And I think you look at
anybody who draws a lot of fouls, that's that's a
really valuable commodity to have on your team. Someone who's
putting someone in foul trouble, or putting the team in
foul trouble, or getting the team into the bonus or
you know, when Steph is such a threat and they're
worried about fouls, you know, then all of a sudden
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he gets more space as well.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
All Right, dude, I appreciate you hopping on it, just
thinking about you watching Steph get cooked a little bit
last night defensively and what we talked about.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Thanks for being my guest in the bonus.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
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Speaker 3 (15:05):
Let's get to what the Fox says, and now.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Says Dan Patrick talking about Julius Randall, saying out loud,
maybe the heat wanted more.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Well, I don't want to hear that. If I'm coach Tibbs,
what Julius? You may think that you may want to
talk to your teammates about that, but you don't want
to tell the media about that. And I don't know
if you're a Knicks fan, do you go, is this
the ceiling?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Is this who we are?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah? I mean that's that's his ceiling. Like this is
a different level of basketball, I think, And I love
Jalen Brunson, but I don't believe that Jalen Brunson alone
can raise the level in the playoffs of a Julius Randall.
It's a lot like I mean, I've I said this,
I love Damian Lillard. If you watch him last year
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in the Olympics, and you watch him at times when
they've been deeper in the playoffs, He's just not as
good as Steph Curry. I get at a much higher
level of competition when the scattering ports are better, the
toughness is better, the switching is different, the attention to
detail is different. I mean, Damian Delar is better than
Julius Randall, but he's not at the level of Steph.
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Julius Randall's not at the level of Jimmy Butler. So yeah,
this is let's the old. This is as good as
it This is as good as it gets. This is
Colin Cowherd talking about the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
The Lakers are essentially a team that can't shoot. They
have a rookie defensive head coach. They flip the roster
at the trade deadline. Lebron now looks gassed and disappears
for quarters. Ad is great mostly although he has bad
halfs and undrafted Austin Reeves and Lonnie Walker are lighting
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it up. Not exactly Jordan's Bulls or Shaq and Kobe's Lakers,
or Burden McHale or Magic and Kareem. Remember when our
parents said, just eat your vegetables and drink your milk.
That's all it takes. You'll be big and strong in
the NBA. Here's the version of that. Hit your free
throws and play great defense. You don't have to shoot.
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You'll end up in the Western Conference finals? Is that
where we're headed? I mean, I don't get it. They're
so old school, they're becoming vintage. They're like polaroids and
trucker hats and vinyl records. This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I think it actually does to me. And yeah it listen.
It's some interesting parts. And they but six of twenty
five from three going against the Warriors team who even
and I where they didn't shoot it well? Twelve of
forty one from three. You should lose most of those games.
But there is something to getting to the free throw line.
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They got to the free throw line eight more times.
They made all of them. Do you know they were
twenty of twenty four line. I thought they got a
couple of calls that went their way. You know, a
couple offensive foul calls that went their way. They obviously
struggled and transitioned some defensively, but not terribly so they
only got beat fast break points seventeen to fourteen. And yes,
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Austin Reeves and Lonnie Walker jumped up and knocked down
shots when others could not. That's why it's more about
the Warriors than it is about the Lakers. I mean
the Warriors, it's very interesting. I mean, Draymond looked really
good in the first half and then complete no show
in the second half in terms of scoring and making
plays at the rim. Klay Thompson he no showed last
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night as well, and they were still in position to
win the game. But the problem is they just don't
have the right depth. When Jordan Poole can't make a shot,
now they get further and further down to the bench.
So I honestly think the Lakers they're playing to their strengths,
finding a guy who'll step up and make shots at
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the right time. The second the Warriors try and catch
their breath, you know, Lonnie Walker or Austin Reeves hit
a jump shot on them. Lebron is effective, but in
limited spurts and there are times in which he's not effective.
I also think the Warriors are attacking the wrong guy,
you know, end of the game. Why are they attacking
Anthony Davis, attack Lebron James, or attack Dennis Shrewder defensively
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who was originally on Steph Curry. So I think our
expectation is for the Warriors to be the Warriors, and
yet Draymond's not the same, Clay's not the same, even
Steph not as efficient as previously, and they can't get
the stops that they need. It's more about the Warriors
than maybe it is about the Lakers. This is Shannon
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Jarp talking about the Lakers Warriors series.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
No, it's not over. It's the first team to four.
And we've seen three one comebacks. We saw the Denver
Nuggets pull off two three one comebacks in twenty twenty.
Remember skip three to one against Utah Down. They came
back three one against the Clippers, Down came back. The
Calves overcame a three one deficit. The Warriors overcame a
three one deficit against Okay see to face the Calves
that blew their all three one deficit. The Rockets overcame
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a three one deficit.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Against the Clippers.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Yeah, I think in eighty one, I think the Celtics
overcame a three one Celtics a three one definicit against
the Sixers.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You remember Phoenix overcame.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
A three to one against Kobe and the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So skip is it doesn't happen.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
In the finals.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
But it happens more than people probably think that it does.
And all you need is one. Okay, we go home.
What Lebron say, Let's go home, get one, bring it back.
Now we go back out there. The pressure is great
on both sides. So for me, do I think the
series is over? No, I think they're gonna have to
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do it in the crib. I do not believe they're
gonna beat the Golden State Wars in the Chase Center.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I think this thing is coming back for Game six,
and Game six becomes the entire series. And and as
much as people are clowning Greenie, he does, it's not
the worst point in the world to you know, if
things get bad, sit Lebron, You're still gonna bring him
up there. He's still gonna travel, still gonna play. But
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if things get bad, you gotta rest him. And even
then you don't know what he'll have left in the tank.
That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Jason Jay Watt. I don't know. I've always found that
got to be a big doucheback. Now I know that
he does a lot for the community, Like he's charitable
and he gives them money to people and stuff, and
that's cool, but he's always like looking to be famous.
He can't not tweet out something if there is a
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I guess if there is like a big moment in sports,
he has to tweet something and put like a stamp
on it. And then he bought this, He bought this
Burnley soccer team, this Premier League soccer team. I guess
he became a minority investor and he went over to
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Burnley and he did some quote unquote research and he
did a pub crawl, and then he went on BBC
and explained that if I'm going to invest in something,
I want to get to know the fan base and
all this stuff. It was a look at me, look
at me story, and then ESPN is what's annoying about this?
(22:53):
It's on ESPN's front page as news. Him going and
doing a pub crawl in in the UK is on
the front page of ESPN's news. I guess JJ is
empowered to keep doing this this publicity stuff if they're
gonna keep covering it, right.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Correct, So they publicized his pub crawl and he's apologizing
for a pub crawl.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
No, there's no apology. He just went over there, did
the pub crawl, went on BBC and explained why he
did it, and ESPN has it on their front page.
Why is that news?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I don't know that's annoying.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
I hear you, JJ Wat's annoying in general.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I think that just the It's like Captain America. He's
just Captain America. So okay, what else?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Give me some other Traymond Green didn't do a podcast
last night after the game. Traymond Green, who what dribbled
himself into a corner or something, left his feet and
then made the the final turnover of the game to
basically ice it for the Lakers. And then he didn't
do his podcast last night. That's annoying. Agreed anymore, Anthony Davis.
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His offense in the fourth quarter was non existent. They
didn't even like look at him, look towards him, and
you tell me you know of basketball. I don't his
lack of engagement on the offensive end. It's usually the
other way around, where guys kind of save up on
the defensive end for what they're going to do on offense.
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Was he saving up on offense for what he needed
to do on defense? As he did make some pretty
cool stops and he guarded Steph in that one possession
at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I do think that they're tired. I think that they're tired.
But it is weird that oftentimes he has smaller dudes
on him and very rarely does he go to work offensively.
Some of it comes down to the fact that the
Warriors are really helping on him and on pick and rolls.
That's why others are getting jump shots.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
There's a reason that Reeves is open for ed Lonnie
Walker's open, and some of it is because they're helping
on Anthony Davis. So I think it's not that he's resting.
It's that because Golden State is trying to stop him,
they're giving up other things, and the Lakers took advantage
of that.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
Because I found myself getting annoyed that he wasn't doing
more when the game was kind of still in the balance,
like there wasn't there weren't any plays for him or anything,
and that was frustrating. But I guess when you win,
everything's fleshed out. Can we get into this situation with
the Bills punter the ex Bills punter? Okay, So for
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those who don't know the story, Bill's former Bills punter
matt Riza got himself into a civil lawsuit a year ago.
A seventeen year old claimed that he drew her into
a gang rape. So when the details of the civil
suit came out, the Bills released matt Riza.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Well.
Speaker 9 (26:01):
As Dan Wetzel reports yesterday, there's a two hundred page
document in the San Diego court system right now that
basically says that Eriza could not have been at the
place that the women said he was to draw her
into a gang rape. In fact, there is no evidence
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that a gang rape even occurred. This is as close
to a full exoneration as you can get. I know,
civil suitors no such thing as that. But what annoys
me about this is that I know this case is
not going to get the attention that it got a
year ago when we details of this saint came out.
And the annoying thing also is that I know the
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Bills are not going to release a statement being like
we overreacted. We apologize to the player, not that they
would necessarily bring him back as a punter, but at
the very least apologize for I guess given into the
and firing someone before an investigation plays out. So many
(27:05):
things about this story are annoying and disturbing.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay, there's a lot of disturbing parts of the story,
and let's let's start with the Let's let's let's start
with the basic facts, okay, I mean, or the basics
of any any of these stories. The first is I
completely understand how difficult it must be for a young woman, okay,
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to come forward and make a claim of sexual assault,
right like, let's because when these things do go to trial,
oftentimes their personal lives are called into question. And regardless
for the most part of you know what your what
your personal life is you know, and what your sexual
(27:53):
preferences are. Nobody, And this one's no one deserves to
be sexually assaulted, Okay, but there's a level of.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Evil there.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Look, I don't have the level of evil where I
could violate another human being.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I don't believe I possess that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But there's also a similar level of evil that would
make a false claim against somebody, because, as you're pointing out,
like this destroys people's lives.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Destroys people's lives.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And we are very very quick to convict when allegations
are made before the allegations actually come out. So there
are other situations like this that I don't know what happened.
I don't know, but I do know that people were
exonerated and it's gross and it's sad. This one is,
(28:54):
I guess. The question becomes, let's say you're the Buffalo
Bills and last year seasons about to start. There's allegations
of uh of a of.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
A gang rape set around your rookie punter. What do
you do? What do you do? Jay? What? What's what's
the what? What helps this?
Speaker 9 (29:15):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If you were last year, if you were in time.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
An employer of a team and this comes out. Yes,
I there just has to be a pause. There has
to be a we need to see how this plays out.
But that no longer exists because you've seen how it
plays out somehow in our society. Now is you condoning
it or somehow supporting it?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Again? So what do you? What do you do? You
just you pause, you put them on. You have a
commissioner exemption.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
League exactly, whatever that is. It's let's see how this investigation,
how this case plays out, and then we'll make a
decision about the player's future.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I mean, there's just a lot of people who uh
if I would encourage people to read the details because
I've heard there are other instances. It doesn't mean that
that's what all instances are like this, but there are
other instances that are similar where there's accusations and the
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accusations stem from a woman on some levels being embarrassed
at her own behavior. Right, And just like I said,
I don't possess the level of evil to ever violate somebody,
whether they're inebriated or not. Like that's just I can't
I can't imagine being But I also can't imagine being
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somebody who would make that up. And I know how
hard it must be for people who were really sexually
assaulted to come forward. But women like this young woman,
and she may in her mind think that's what happened.
That may have may have be how she sleeps at night,
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but the damage she's done is not is So there's
so much collateral. It's not just to the punter and
to these other guys that were accused of sexual assault,
but also to other women who are getting ready to
you know, who want to come forward, because all it
takes is one false claim to make other claims feel
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like they're false. So I just I think it's a
great lesson one that we can all sit back and go, hey,
this is something we can we can learn from, we
can take away from, and we cannot rush to judgment
in the future.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Right is that fair?
Speaker 9 (31:41):
I just think that the way that this thing has
gone in this country is that there's always an over
correction to something. The over correction to me too is
now we're going to jump to conclusions before they play out. Sure,
what should have happened after me too is we're going
to hear these him and out. It's a very traumatic situation, obviously,
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and we're going to make sure that she gets the
benefit of the doubt and that she is heard and
is able to have every resource available to her by
law to prove this. But the problem is that companies
and the Bills, and by extension of the NFL, they're
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over reacting to save face. Because if you read the
second paragraph of Wetzel's story here, the Bills knew about
the incident before they drafted the kid, They had investigated
the incident, and they still chose to bring him on board.
It was only until after the details of the civil
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case came out and they faced that public backlash, Yes,
that they decide to fire the kid.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And it takes a very it takes really strong leadership.
Do you stand up to public backlash? Yes, it takes
really strong leadership, and a lot of people don't have
the stomach for it. They just don't, okay any others.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
No, that's about it. So basically just kind of the
way that this civilawsuit played out, the Bills, everything else,
Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, and JJ watt.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'd say JJ Wattson's annoying always. Yeah, don't care that
you went on a pub crawl. Don't care that you
can constantly want to engage people in retirement. If you're retired,
the idea is you're stepping out of the spotlight. Stop
trying to get the spotlight. JJ Watt, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
Yeah, Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I do because we can, all right, tell we got
some good audio for you. We can only play for
you here in the podcast. This is Billy Turner. Billy
Turner talking about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
The dude just shows up to work and he's just
he's just so fucking happy right now. It's very cool
to witness and see because it doesn't matter how long
you're in this profession. It's the type of profession where
regardless of the amount of time you spend in it,
you can always experience something new. And he's experiencing something
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new for the first time in his entire career, and
it's cool to be a part of him. Watched.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I like the fact that it's a refreshed Aaron Rodgers
and Billy Turner, who followed Aaron Rodgers boy who's the
offensive courtingto Denver last year, then back to the reunited
and it feels so good. Love that, but also love
that he drops the f bomb and only we can
play for you. Here is Jack Landaut, Jack Landau excuse
me Landell, who's a center for the Phoenix.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
What nationality? He's Australian, okay, And he said this about
DeAndre Eden.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
It's tough for me to sit back and just the
arkady with all the slant of this throne day I
way people are making him out to be like he's
he's a selfish individual who is playing terribly all the
time and hurst the Phoenix sons. But that's de Andrea
Aiden like DADA has had thirty and twenty games on
the regular for you know, a month at a time
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for us this season. DA has been He's held down
some big time areas of games for us throughout the year.
And I'm kind of sick of hearing about everyone you know, nonsop.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Why would be bad to shitting on him once that
that was the whole idea because we can't got to
clean that up and added though, do you have to
clean it up?
Speaker 9 (35:37):
And it's bullshit that'll beat that.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
It's tough for me to sit back and just be
okay with all the all the slander that's throwing d
DA's way. People are making him out to be like
he's he's a selfish individual who is playing terribly all
the time and hursts the Phoenix Sons. But that's de
Andre Aiden like da Isda has had thirty and twenty
games on the regular for you know, a month at
(36:01):
a time for us to stay some DEA's been is
held down some some big time areas of games for
us throughout the year. And I'm kind of sick of
hearing about everyone you know, shitting on him.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Nonsup.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Why can we play that for you? Because we can.
Let's get to our pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you, babe. It's time
for the pick of the deck.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Got my NBA picks have been I mean I missed
last night. It was a two and a half point line.
The Lakers won by three, and that was a bad one.
All right, let's try and get this thing back. Nuggets
take on the Suns. They're a six point favorite at home.
I think this is what this one's easy. I'm gonna
take the Nuggets at home to win, the Nuggets to cover.
I like the Celtics as well. I like home blowouts. Tonight,
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there's my j stud team Parlay two big home favorites,
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Speaker 3 (01:37):
So I'm watching the.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Game last night and it triggered a conversation that I
had with my brother about all time great point guards.
My brother Greg is an assistant coach the women's side
with Grand Canyon for twenty five years. On the men's side,
Cal Polly San Luis OBISPO sax State, San Diego State
for eight years, Cal for six years, Oregon State for
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six years, and he was like, look, part of it
is the position has evolved, but part of it is
And this is a good portion of the discussion, which
is Steph Curry is an unbelievable offensive player, but he
got cooked last night on defense, I mean cooked, absolutely cooked.
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And so the question becomes, does that change how you
view him in his all time greatness? Like there's a
uniqueness to it. My brother Greg joins us now in
the bonus here on The Doug Gottlieb Show, Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
So.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
How would you differentiate Steph not being a good defender
to like people think Magic Johnson wasn't a good defensive player.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I mean, honestly, I look at it more like in
today's modern day. What's different is that everyone can there's
ways to hide guys because you know, in the past, yeah,
there was a legal defense, but everyone's playing man to
man and now you look at how many teams you're
playing different versions of zone. But I mean, you know,
Jokich would be another one that really doesn't guard anybody,
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but they figure out a way to hide him. And
I think that's what they've been doing with staff. So
it's really just a difference again in the era and
how you how people are defending now because they're being
more creative to be able to take a guy who's
an exceptional offensive player and figure out a way to
mask his limitations on defense.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know, it's interesting you bring up the zone thing.
I do think that if Steve Kirk could go back
when you've gone zone late, because they just couldn't get
a stop late in that game. And look, the Lakers
were held out, held helped up by a couple of
a couple of moving screen calls. There's I think three
of them, which which helped get extra possessions. But like
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they Lonnie Walker got loose, Steph was guarding him. Lebron
got to the freedom line two consecutive times, Steph was
guarding him. And I agree with you right now, they
they pick on you. If you can't guard, they're going
to run you out of the game. And if you
can't shoot, they're going to make you be able to
shoot the ball or you'll be completely ineffective. So obviously
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he can shoot. It's the struggles to guard. And it's
just interesting on how basketball has evolved where they can.
I think it's because everybody can so many you always
have four guys in the court that can shoot. That
if maybe in the old days they would throw a
double team at you, Now guys just pass out the
double team and it's way way too easy.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, I mean, honestly though that you look, I mean,
obviously that was the eighties and nineties, was you know,
you had to have a dominant center. You're draw in
a double and then you you know, you kick it
out to whoever's helping and then you got to make shots.
That that was, you know, and the game's changed so much,
I mean right now, like Phoenix, for example, they don't
have anybody to put any pressure on Yokich, you know,
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and a lot of times Jokich just guard. He doesn't
even always guard eight. And the guard whoever's the least
likely to score, they just you know, almost dare that
guy to shoot, you know. So those are where I
think it's really different. And but I do think it's
cool to see NBA coaches being creative defensively. You know,
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a lot of teams, everybody since the Clippers now, I
guess they're all everyone's doubling Kadie as soon as he
catches the ball and kind of all eighties and nineties
except for he's on a perimeter and it's you know,
he's he's had some big scoring games where there's a
lot of games where he's kind of negated because they're
doubling every single time he touches it, which changes the
way Phoenix had to play. So just all these teams,
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you see people playing a triangle in two or a
box and one, or playing some version of the zone,
and zone is obviously a little harder with you know,
how long you can be in the paint but you know,
I feel like that's what where I think you see
a lot of differences because otherwise people just exploit mismatches.
Like you just said, they'll just pick on a guy
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if they know you can't guard and just keep coming
at you. So they got to do something different.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, okay, So how does it? How do you look
at Steph Curry? You know, last night shooting percentage is
not great, but made some unbelievable plays on the ball,
towards the passing the ball, with using the ball screen
in transition, and yet defensively really really struggled, especially in
the second half and in the fourth quarter. How does
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that you know, as a guy who's done this for
a long time, how how do you look at Steph
Curry and his the overall effectiveness?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Well, I guess there's kind of twofold. I mean, the
question is, you know, I think the initial question you
had early on was is a point guard? The second
question is the effective I mean, he obviously he's he's
just so explosive offensively, with unlimited range, ability to shoot
off the dribble, and he takes so many of those
shots where it looks like it's a bad shot. But
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he makes it, you know, I mean, like with just
a split second kind of fading away and hardly looking
into the basket. But I mean he he has that
incredible release and he makes a lot of hard shots.
As far as being a point guard, I think the
point guard positions change so much from when you know,
you and I were kids. You know, the only true
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point guard that I can think of right now is
Chris Paul. And even there's times Chris Paul, you know
it's not ideal suited for Phoenix sometimes and can play
faster and always have the ball in his hands. But
you know, if you're recruiting high school players to college,
for example, you see a guy who's done a great
job running a team, but he can't score a lot
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of guys aren't going to take him anyway, you know,
even though that's point what they need when there when
they have them on their team. I think most kids
that think they're a point guard think they got to
score off a ball screen, and then eventually you learn
how to make decisions and reads off a ball screen.
But there's so much more than just playing off a
ball screen to be in a point guard in the
old school sense. But now they're just so much more
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scoring oriented. So I mean, I think you can you
could throw Dame Lollard right in there with the conversation
Steph Curry. He just hasn't been in his talented a team.
But I mean he's a very similar type of player.
When you say.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think the problem with the Damian
Lillard comp is that when they faced off in the
playoffs it hasn't really been close. Like Steph is a
much He's just a better version. Yes, there's some similarities there.
I don't think Dame is the creative he's you know,
like uh, I mean, I think he's he's not as
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good without the basketball. He may be as good with
the basketball in his hands. And then a similar you know,
neither is the most creative pass in the world. But
Steph's a little bit better. And then I think Steph's
a little bit better finisher. But I think he's a
similar explosive player. Defensively, I don't think either are particularly good.
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I do think Steph tries. I just think there's obviously
a size and strength limitation, which I think Lillard has
that some of that as well. So the other similarities,
I just think that's a better version.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I just look at it that a lot of it
is a style of play based on personnel and all that.
So really, up until only recently, the Dame Millard's playing
in a really old school three out two D a
lot of times, you know, and when they get in
the playoffs, everybody traps them on the ball screen instead
of paint protect and they make their guys their posts
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that aren't really good shooters beat them, which with jump shots.
That's what's happened in the playoffs for or Litard the
last couple years. They aren't good enough to be in
the playoffs, but they were maybe have adjusted and playing
a little more for out round one with a you know,
with a post, that job is just to get name open.
But that's where I think it's been different, you know,
in terms of the Warriors style of play, so and
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then their personnel. I mean, he's always had some other
really good shooters around him, which also helps, yeah, you know,
because yeah, we're like to your point though, when Steph
does a good job is when he gives the ball
up and you know you can't rest because then he'll
find a way to get himself open again and get
a catch and shoot shot that might look like it's
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off balance and a bad shot. There you go, and
then you know so, but he's obviously the consistency that
he's had. I mean, for a guy who's not known
for his athleticism and thirty five years old, I mean,
he's kind of I don't know, you'd have to you know,
maybe a better version of Steve Nash really is where
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he's kind of at you know, for a guy to
play that long and be that effective as a guard. Yeah, yeah, so,
you know, I think he's tremendous. So, but I'm not
sure if he's an old school point guard, but I
think he's. I don't know that there is a whole
lot of those guys, nor do I know that the
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NBA wants those guys right now.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Sure, I think that's I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Jordan Poole, have you ever seen a guy do that
where it's just a mental midget like this guy was
a hell of a player last year in the playoffs.
Now you get to the playoffs this year and you
kind of can't play him.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, I think, man, I think that's just goes to
show you the power of the mind, you know. I
don't care. I don't think it matters whether you're a
high school player or a college player or pro. I mean,
there's so much that goes on in terms of how
you how you think in the game, and you can
lose your self confidence and then and you know, if
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you lose your self confidence, I mean, it just can
completely tank your game. Uh where. I don't know that
has anything to do with the physical element, but there's
definitely a psychological element. I mean, they literally didn't play
him in uh the game the other day when that
they want so, I mean, it is it is crazy
to think like that, you know. Again, you know, I've
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had a lot of high school kids that ask me
what's the between high school and college? To me, I
think the number one thing would be that deep seated
self confidence. And I think if you look around in
general in the NBA, the guys that are elite, they
have that deep seated self confidence that you don't really
don't like walk around carry themselves that way, but they
just they can't be shook, you know. And it was
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interesting because in the game that the Lakers lost, that's
when Lebron kind of looked like he kind of got jilted.
You know, there was some bad calls maybe a little bit,
but he kind of wasn't himself in that game. And
he's had a couple of moments in his career like that.
I think he had one when he was.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
With Miami where he lost his confidence.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But Miami Miami when they when they lost to Dallas,
he lost his confidence.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
So that part's really interesting to see, Like if you
see someone who's that good lose their confidence, that's crazy.
Do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Do you think the series is over? No?
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Neither, No, I don't because the Warriors are such a
veteran team. They just need to regroup. They were so
close to getting this game obviously that you know, a
guy that the X factor they weren't probably considering Lonnie Walker,
and I'm sure they were going to come back with
some firepower in this in the next game. But they
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got to win. The game's on the line. They got
to figure out how to make plays at both the
offensive defensive end a little.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
More better shots.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You got to get better shots, like make you make
a big deal about Steph missing those shots. And the
first one, the one footer was actually in and out,
you know, but I mean you're going to live and
die with contested threes like that. That's a hard way
to live. Whereas you know, credit lebron, I didn't think
it was a foul the second one, but you know,
he gets to the free throw line and and even
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even Lonnie Walker shots, most of those are all midi's,
you know, like when you get tired. Whereas Clay just
took two terrible shots. Man, those are not good.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I mean, I think that's the thing that Clay can
do more than just catch and shoot, but he's not
great at getting foaled. And I think that's the thing
that really when Steph gets really going is when he
he makes you know, he starts drawing fouls left and right,
you know, and I love that that. You know, in
college basketball, they definitely have it, they keep that stat
(14:21):
you know, fouls drawn. And I think you look at
anybody who draws a lot of fouls, that's that's a
really valuable commodity to have on your team. Someone who's
putting someone in foul trouble, or putting the team in
foul trouble, or getting the team into the bonus or
you know, when Steph is such a threat and they're
worried about fouls, you know, then all of a sudden
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he gets more space as well.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
All Right, dude, I appreciate you hopping on it, just
thinking about you watching Steph get cooked a little bit
last night defensively and what we talked about.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Thanks for being my guest in the bonus.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
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Speaker 3 (15:05):
Let's get to what the Fox says, and now.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Says Dan Patrick talking about Julius Randall, saying out loud,
maybe the heat wanted more.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Well, I don't want to hear that. If I'm coach Tibbs,
what Julius? You may think that you may want to
talk to your teammates about that, but you don't want
to tell the media about that. And I don't know
if you're a Knicks fan, do you go, is this
the ceiling?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Is this who we are?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah? I mean that's that's his ceiling. Like this is
a different level of basketball, I think, And I love
Jalen Brunson, but I don't believe that Jalen Brunson alone
can raise the level in the playoffs of a Julius Randall.
It's a lot like I mean, I've I said this,
I love Damian Lillard. If you watch him last year
(15:54):
in the Olympics, and you watch him at times when
they've been deeper in the playoffs, He's just not as
good as Steph Curry. I get at a much higher
level of competition when the scattering ports are better, the
toughness is better, the switching is different, the attention to
detail is different. I mean, Damian Delar is better than
Julius Randall, but he's not at the level of Steph.
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Julius Randall's not at the level of Jimmy Butler. So yeah,
this is let's the old. This is as good as
it This is as good as it gets. This is
Colin Cowherd talking about the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
The Lakers are essentially a team that can't shoot. They
have a rookie defensive head coach. They flip the roster
at the trade deadline. Lebron now looks gassed and disappears
for quarters. Ad is great mostly although he has bad
halfs and undrafted Austin Reeves and Lonnie Walker are lighting
(16:53):
it up. Not exactly Jordan's Bulls or Shaq and Kobe's Lakers,
or Burden McHale or Magic and Kareem. Remember when our
parents said, just eat your vegetables and drink your milk.
That's all it takes. You'll be big and strong in
the NBA. Here's the version of that. Hit your free
throws and play great defense. You don't have to shoot.
(17:15):
You'll end up in the Western Conference finals? Is that
where we're headed? I mean, I don't get it. They're
so old school, they're becoming vintage. They're like polaroids and
trucker hats and vinyl records. This doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I think it actually does to me. And yeah it listen.
It's some interesting parts. And they but six of twenty
five from three going against the Warriors team who even
and I where they didn't shoot it well? Twelve of
forty one from three. You should lose most of those games.
But there is something to getting to the free throw line.
(17:56):
They got to the free throw line eight more times.
They made all of them. Do you know they were
twenty of twenty four line. I thought they got a
couple of calls that went their way. You know, a
couple offensive foul calls that went their way. They obviously
struggled and transitioned some defensively, but not terribly so they
only got beat fast break points seventeen to fourteen. And yes,
(18:17):
Austin Reeves and Lonnie Walker jumped up and knocked down
shots when others could not. That's why it's more about
the Warriors than it is about the Lakers. I mean
the Warriors, it's very interesting. I mean, Draymond looked really
good in the first half and then complete no show
in the second half in terms of scoring and making
plays at the rim. Klay Thompson he no showed last
(18:41):
night as well, and they were still in position to
win the game. But the problem is they just don't
have the right depth. When Jordan Poole can't make a shot,
now they get further and further down to the bench.
So I honestly think the Lakers they're playing to their strengths,
finding a guy who'll step up and make shots at
(19:02):
the right time. The second the Warriors try and catch
their breath, you know, Lonnie Walker or Austin Reeves hit
a jump shot on them. Lebron is effective, but in
limited spurts and there are times in which he's not effective.
I also think the Warriors are attacking the wrong guy,
you know, end of the game. Why are they attacking
Anthony Davis, attack Lebron James, or attack Dennis Shrewder defensively
(19:26):
who was originally on Steph Curry. So I think our
expectation is for the Warriors to be the Warriors, and
yet Draymond's not the same, Clay's not the same, even
Steph not as efficient as previously, and they can't get
the stops that they need. It's more about the Warriors
than maybe it is about the Lakers. This is Shannon
(19:46):
Jarp talking about the Lakers Warriors series.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
No, it's not over. It's the first team to four.
And we've seen three one comebacks. We saw the Denver
Nuggets pull off two three one comebacks in twenty twenty.
Remember skip three to one against Utah Down. They came
back three one against the Clippers, Down came back. The
Calves overcame a three one deficit. The Warriors overcame a
three one deficit against Okay see to face the Calves
that blew their all three one deficit. The Rockets overcame
(20:11):
a three one deficit.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Against the Clippers.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Yeah, I think in eighty one, I think the Celtics
overcame a three one Celtics a three one definicit against
the Sixers.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You remember Phoenix overcame.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
A three to one against Kobe and the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So skip is it doesn't happen.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
In the finals.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
But it happens more than people probably think that it does.
And all you need is one. Okay, we go home.
What Lebron say, Let's go home, get one, bring it back.
Now we go back out there. The pressure is great
on both sides. So for me, do I think the
series is over? No, I think they're gonna have to
(20:48):
do it in the crib. I do not believe they're
gonna beat the Golden State Wars in the Chase Center.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I think this thing is coming back for Game six,
and Game six becomes the entire series. And and as
much as people are clowning Greenie, he does, it's not
the worst point in the world to you know, if
things get bad, sit Lebron, You're still gonna bring him
up there. He's still gonna travel, still gonna play. But
(21:15):
if things get bad, you gotta rest him. And even
then you don't know what he'll have left in the tank.
That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
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Speaker 3 (21:36):
Let's find out who What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Jason Jay Watt. I don't know. I've always found that
got to be a big doucheback. Now I know that
he does a lot for the community, Like he's charitable
and he gives them money to people and stuff, and
that's cool, but he's always like looking to be famous.
He can't not tweet out something if there is a
(22:12):
I guess if there is like a big moment in sports,
he has to tweet something and put like a stamp
on it. And then he bought this, He bought this
Burnley soccer team, this Premier League soccer team. I guess
he became a minority investor and he went over to
(22:32):
Burnley and he did some quote unquote research and he
did a pub crawl, and then he went on BBC
and explained that if I'm going to invest in something,
I want to get to know the fan base and
all this stuff. It was a look at me, look
at me story, and then ESPN is what's annoying about this?
(22:53):
It's on ESPN's front page as news. Him going and
doing a pub crawl in in the UK is on
the front page of ESPN's news. I guess JJ is
empowered to keep doing this this publicity stuff if they're
gonna keep covering it, right.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Correct, So they publicized his pub crawl and he's apologizing
for a pub crawl.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
No, there's no apology. He just went over there, did
the pub crawl, went on BBC and explained why he
did it, and ESPN has it on their front page.
Why is that news?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I don't know that's annoying.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
I hear you, JJ Wat's annoying in general.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I think that just the It's like Captain America. He's
just Captain America. So okay, what else?
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Give me some other Traymond Green didn't do a podcast
last night after the game. Traymond Green, who what dribbled
himself into a corner or something, left his feet and
then made the the final turnover of the game to
basically ice it for the Lakers. And then he didn't
do his podcast last night. That's annoying. Agreed anymore, Anthony Davis.
(24:05):
His offense in the fourth quarter was non existent. They
didn't even like look at him, look towards him, and
you tell me you know of basketball. I don't his
lack of engagement on the offensive end. It's usually the
other way around, where guys kind of save up on
the defensive end for what they're going to do on offense.
(24:27):
Was he saving up on offense for what he needed
to do on defense? As he did make some pretty
cool stops and he guarded Steph in that one possession
at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I do think that they're tired. I think that they're tired.
But it is weird that oftentimes he has smaller dudes
on him and very rarely does he go to work offensively.
Some of it comes down to the fact that the
Warriors are really helping on him and on pick and rolls.
That's why others are getting jump shots.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
There's a reason that Reeves is open for ed Lonnie
Walker's open, and some of it is because they're helping
on Anthony Davis. So I think it's not that he's resting.
It's that because Golden State is trying to stop him,
they're giving up other things, and the Lakers took advantage
of that.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
Because I found myself getting annoyed that he wasn't doing
more when the game was kind of still in the balance,
like there wasn't there weren't any plays for him or anything,
and that was frustrating. But I guess when you win,
everything's fleshed out. Can we get into this situation with
the Bills punter the ex Bills punter? Okay, So for
(25:36):
those who don't know the story, Bill's former Bills punter
matt Riza got himself into a civil lawsuit a year ago.
A seventeen year old claimed that he drew her into
a gang rape. So when the details of the civil
suit came out, the Bills released matt Riza.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Well.
Speaker 9 (26:01):
As Dan Wetzel reports yesterday, there's a two hundred page
document in the San Diego court system right now that
basically says that Eriza could not have been at the
place that the women said he was to draw her
into a gang rape. In fact, there is no evidence
(26:22):
that a gang rape even occurred. This is as close
to a full exoneration as you can get. I know,
civil suitors no such thing as that. But what annoys
me about this is that I know this case is
not going to get the attention that it got a
year ago when we details of this saint came out.
And the annoying thing also is that I know the
(26:44):
Bills are not going to release a statement being like
we overreacted. We apologize to the player, not that they
would necessarily bring him back as a punter, but at
the very least apologize for I guess given into the
and firing someone before an investigation plays out. So many
(27:05):
things about this story are annoying and disturbing.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay, there's a lot of disturbing parts of the story,
and let's let's start with the Let's let's let's start
with the basic facts, okay, I mean, or the basics
of any any of these stories. The first is I
completely understand how difficult it must be for a young woman, okay,
(27:30):
to come forward and make a claim of sexual assault,
right like, let's because when these things do go to trial,
oftentimes their personal lives are called into question. And regardless
for the most part of you know what your what
your personal life is you know, and what your sexual
(27:53):
preferences are. Nobody, And this one's no one deserves to
be sexually assaulted, Okay, but there's a level of.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Evil there.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Look, I don't have the level of evil where I
could violate another human being.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I don't believe I possess that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
But there's also a similar level of evil that would
make a false claim against somebody, because, as you're pointing out,
like this destroys people's lives.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Destroys people's lives.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And we are very very quick to convict when allegations
are made before the allegations actually come out. So there
are other situations like this that I don't know what happened.
I don't know, but I do know that people were
exonerated and it's gross and it's sad. This one is,
(28:54):
I guess. The question becomes, let's say you're the Buffalo
Bills and last year seasons about to start. There's allegations
of uh of a of.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
A gang rape set around your rookie punter. What do
you do? What do you do? Jay? What? What's what's
the what? What helps this?
Speaker 9 (29:15):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If you were last year, if you were in time.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
An employer of a team and this comes out. Yes,
I there just has to be a pause. There has
to be a we need to see how this plays out.
But that no longer exists because you've seen how it
plays out somehow in our society. Now is you condoning
it or somehow supporting it?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Again? So what do you? What do you do? You
just you pause, you put them on. You have a
commissioner exemption.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
League exactly, whatever that is. It's let's see how this investigation,
how this case plays out, and then we'll make a
decision about the player's future.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I mean, there's just a lot of people who uh
if I would encourage people to read the details because
I've heard there are other instances. It doesn't mean that
that's what all instances are like this, but there are
other instances that are similar where there's accusations and the
(30:22):
accusations stem from a woman on some levels being embarrassed
at her own behavior. Right, And just like I said,
I don't possess the level of evil to ever violate somebody,
whether they're inebriated or not. Like that's just I can't
I can't imagine being But I also can't imagine being
(30:42):
somebody who would make that up. And I know how
hard it must be for people who were really sexually
assaulted to come forward. But women like this young woman,
and she may in her mind think that's what happened.
That may have may have be how she sleeps at night,
(31:02):
but the damage she's done is not is So there's
so much collateral. It's not just to the punter and
to these other guys that were accused of sexual assault,
but also to other women who are getting ready to
you know, who want to come forward, because all it
takes is one false claim to make other claims feel
(31:23):
like they're false. So I just I think it's a
great lesson one that we can all sit back and go, hey,
this is something we can we can learn from, we
can take away from, and we cannot rush to judgment
in the future.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Right is that fair?
Speaker 9 (31:41):
I just think that the way that this thing has
gone in this country is that there's always an over
correction to something. The over correction to me too is
now we're going to jump to conclusions before they play out. Sure,
what should have happened after me too is we're going
to hear these him and out. It's a very traumatic situation, obviously,
(32:04):
and we're going to make sure that she gets the
benefit of the doubt and that she is heard and
is able to have every resource available to her by
law to prove this. But the problem is that companies
and the Bills, and by extension of the NFL, they're
(32:24):
over reacting to save face. Because if you read the
second paragraph of Wetzel's story here, the Bills knew about
the incident before they drafted the kid, They had investigated
the incident, and they still chose to bring him on board.
It was only until after the details of the civil
(32:45):
case came out and they faced that public backlash, Yes,
that they decide to fire the kid.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
And it takes a very it takes really strong leadership.
Do you stand up to public backlash? Yes, it takes
really strong leadership, and a lot of people don't have
the stomach for it. They just don't, okay any others.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
No, that's about it. So basically just kind of the
way that this civilawsuit played out, the Bills, everything else,
Anthony Davis, Draymond Green, and JJ watt.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'd say JJ Wattson's annoying always. Yeah, don't care that
you went on a pub crawl. Don't care that you
can constantly want to engage people in retirement. If you're retired,
the idea is you're stepping out of the spotlight. Stop
trying to get the spotlight. JJ Watt, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
Yeah, Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I do because we can, all right, tell we got
some good audio for you. We can only play for
you here in the podcast. This is Billy Turner. Billy
Turner talking about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
The dude just shows up to work and he's just
he's just so fucking happy right now. It's very cool
to witness and see because it doesn't matter how long
you're in this profession. It's the type of profession where
regardless of the amount of time you spend in it,
you can always experience something new. And he's experiencing something
(34:20):
new for the first time in his entire career, and
it's cool to be a part of him. Watched.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I like the fact that it's a refreshed Aaron Rodgers
and Billy Turner, who followed Aaron Rodgers boy who's the
offensive courtingto Denver last year, then back to the reunited
and it feels so good. Love that, but also love
that he drops the f bomb and only we can
play for you. Here is Jack Landaut, Jack Landau excuse
me Landell, who's a center for the Phoenix.
Speaker 9 (34:50):
What nationality? He's Australian, okay, And he said this about
DeAndre Eden.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
It's tough for me to sit back and just the
arkady with all the slant of this throne day I
way people are making him out to be like he's
he's a selfish individual who is playing terribly all the
time and hurst the Phoenix sons. But that's de Andrea
Aiden like DADA has had thirty and twenty games on
the regular for you know, a month at a time
(35:17):
for us this season. DA has been He's held down
some big time areas of games for us throughout the year.
And I'm kind of sick of hearing about everyone you know, nonsop.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Why would be bad to shitting on him once that
that was the whole idea because we can't got to
clean that up and added though, do you have to
clean it up?
Speaker 9 (35:37):
And it's bullshit that'll beat that.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
It's tough for me to sit back and just be
okay with all the all the slander that's throwing d
DA's way. People are making him out to be like
he's he's a selfish individual who is playing terribly all
the time and hursts the Phoenix Sons. But that's de
Andre Aiden like da Isda has had thirty and twenty
games on the regular for you know, a month at
(36:01):
a time for us to stay some DEA's been is
held down some some big time areas of games for
us throughout the year. And I'm kind of sick of
hearing about everyone you know, shitting on him.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
Nonsup.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Why can we play that for you? Because we can.
Let's get to our pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you, babe. It's time
for the pick of the deck.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Got my NBA picks have been I mean I missed
last night. It was a two and a half point line.
The Lakers won by three, and that was a bad one.
All right, let's try and get this thing back. Nuggets
take on the Suns. They're a six point favorite at home.
I think this is what this one's easy. I'm gonna
take the Nuggets at home to win, the Nuggets to cover.
I like the Celtics as well. I like home blowouts. Tonight,
(36:50):
there's my j stud team Parlay two big home favorites,
both will win, both will cover all Right, that's it
for the end the Bonus Podcast. Check out the Doug
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