June 14, 2023 • 39 mins
Doug addresses the reverse boycott of the A's fans Tuesday night and how the numbers represented at the boycott were proof that there just isn't enough interest in keeping the team in Oakland. FSR NBA Insider Mark Medina joins Doug to talk about the Bradley Beal trade speculation, Damian Lillard, and the other major headlines in the NBA going into this off-season. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "What Are The Chances?".
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that have happened in the last twenty four hours that
I think are you know, Like the Brad Beale story
is interesting. Well, I'm not gonna request a trade, but like, look,
if you guys are gonna start over and you guys
are gonna trade away guys like I could, Yeah, I could.
I'll think about it. So Brad Beale is going to
be traded right by the way, programming note tomorrow and
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let's give credit words due Dan Byer hooked us all up.
We're going to the US Open. I'm actually gonna get
to play and a force them. That's all because of Dan.
Dan doesn't know that I'm kidding. We get to go.
We'll going to the US Open broadcasting live from the
LA Country Club tomorrow, so we'll be drinking sipping our tea.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm making sure we have closed toad shoes, baby, yes, yes, yes,
I have to worry polo and some golf pence, some
golf pence. But we're going to the US Open tomorrow. Buyer,
if you were going to put a little cash, maybe
of the eight million dollars that Mike Florio said, one
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NFL player lost in gambling this last year, you pullow
cash on a golfer to win the US Open at
the LA Country Club.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Who to be?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I'm going to take a popular name that is flying
a little under the raid, hasn't played great this year.
Justin Thomas. Yes, Justin Thomas, popular name, multiple major winner.
But we hear a lot about rom and Scheffler and Koepka, Rory,
but h Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna take a little flyer.
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I think that would be good value. I don't know
what the odds are, but I.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Know I no love for Max Homa in the in
the I.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Think there's too much talk about Max Homer because he
set the course record there at the PAC twelve tournament
ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Local boy, I think it's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Is he from la It feels like that's gonna be
the Jerome bettis Detroit sort of thing here. Yes, you
know Max Homa is from La.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Right, and well, you.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Know in La is so big, but it's in our mine,
in Jason Stewart's neck of the woods.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
There you go. Yeah, did you guys know that they're
from lah Okay, we'll get to the beal stuff. Martin
Medine is going to join us. What does he join us?
Thirty after the hour, half past the hour, or so twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Five after the hour.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We also have a we're going to debut or debut,
depending upon your pronunciation. We're going to debut. That's baseball.
And it's one of my favorite things to do because
when the term when people say that's baseball, it's like
explaining the inexplicable. But in baseball, that's kind of part
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of the curiosity to the sport, right, part of the
pleasure to the sport as well, is the you know,
guy comes up and he's hitting below the Mendoza line
and he hits for the cycle. Like that didn't make
any sense. That's baseball, anyway, we got that's baseball. Upcoming
in fifteen minutes, Scott Mark Medina will talk about the
potential trades. Could Damian Lillard be on the move? What
about Brad Beal And oh yeah, by the way, a
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question that I will pose to him, which I think
is really pertinent, is I'm not willing to call the
nuggets of dynasty. I realized, like Bayer pointed out, they
had a very easy run seed wise to their first
ever NBA championship. But all of the pertinent guys outside
of Bruce Brown or under contract, I'm sure he's going
to get resigned and stay. They're very likely to be
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at least very competitive in the future. Does this change
how you put together a roster? And I'll back that
up as to why that's a legit question upcoming later
this hour. But let's talk about the when you're in Oakland.
You're close to Berkeley, I mean Berkeley basically part of Oakland.
You know there was going to be some sort of protest.
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Now a day goes by. My brother was at Berkeley
at cal as an assistant basketball coach for six years,
and he's like, there's just always a protest over something.
As a matter of fact, I love this one. Do
you guys know the story. They have an athletic performance
center that opened a couple of years ago. When he
was there, they had all the funding, they'd raised the money.
They had over three hundred million dollars set for this
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athletic performance center, but they couldn't break ground because in
order to break ground, they need to cut down some trees,
and you had people living in the trees. These were
not redwoods that were over one hundred years old. They
were planted in like the fifties and sixties. But it's
berserkly and you had people live literally living in the trees.
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And then again this is a real story, at some
point in time, they got a court order to cut
the food lines, to cut the food lines to try
and get people out of the trees. So the people
living in the trees as a response through their poop
through their poop at people who were trying to get
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them out of the trees. That's a crappy job, is
it not? Anyway? So they had a was it a
reverse boycott last night in Oakland reverse boycott And the
idea is, no one's been going to the last place
A's games all year anyway, So as part of a
reverse boycott, the Oakland A's fans would show up. They
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played a massive stadium which was added on to when
the Raiders came back from LA when they built this
gargantuan third level out in center field. It's called Mount Davis,
and nobody sits there. So here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I just.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Obviously all of us grew up who grew up in
the eighties. Remember the Bash Brothers. If you're in the seventies,
you remember Reggie Jackson in those Oakland A's teams. And
you know, because of the popularity of the book Moneyball
and the movie Moneyball, and the success at times of
this baseball club, the A's have always been kind of
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part of the baseball conversation. But what are we doing here?
Sports is in fact a business, and it's really weird.
Like the Warriors left a couple years ago, and granted
they only went across the Bay, but they're never coming
back and they can wear, you know, Oakland on their jerseys,
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but they're in San Francisco. It's an absolute game changer
in terms of the value of the franchise as well
as the money that you can bring in. If you're
mad at the A's, you should be really mad at
the Warriors, but you're not. The Warriors, I believe made
seven hundred and fifty million dollars off their non basketball
revenue last year. Why because they have a new arena
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that they own and they're able to charge the nose
because they're in San Francisco, which is which is incredibly
powerful and popular real estate. You know, there's a reason
that the Niners, when looking to build a new stadium, look,
did not even though the Raiders were leaving. They wanted
nothing to do with Oakland. It's just financially, it's not
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reasonable to be in that city. They've lost the NFL,
they've lost the NBA, they're going to lose Major League Baseball.
And on a day when all of these people called
for Hey, just in a rare twist, it costs you nothing.
It's a last place game, but we're gonna show them
what we're made up. Twenty seven thousand people showed up.
You do realize that you didn't. You reiterated and doubled
down on every thought that anybody has about keeping a
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team in Oakland. Of course it's about the stadium, but
at some point whoever's owned the franchise has said, it
doesn't really matter the stadium. We can't make money here
or the type of money that we want to make.
And we're in this weird time where Orton's weird time
where like so, if you own a franchise worth over
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a billion dollars, you're not supposed to make it profitable.
I don't understand Buyer helped me out when you watch
the reverse boycott last night, and just so you're where
like Buyer and I and Jay Stu Ramos, I don't
think you'll find a show that has it's a collection
of bigger baseball fans, maybe outside like East Coast based
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shows where people talk. We don't talk about baseball because
baseball the national sports radio is just not that popular, right,
but this is an interesting topic. It's like, of all
the teams to do a reverse boycott and to really
protest and get mad about them leaving. Why the A's
are not the Raiders or the Warriors because you're the
last ones to go, and by the way, you should
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have been the first ones to go. They don't draw well, yes,
the stadiums are dump but you can't make money on
that team, not nearly the money you can make in
Vegas or in Nashville, or in Montreal or wherever else.
Baseball knows it as well. That's why Baseball, by all reports,
they're not even go to charge them a relocation fee.
Let's get him the hell out of Oakland and pretend
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like we're really sad. Nobody's really sad. It's a weird market.
You just can't make as much money there as you
can in other places. And the NFL got out, the
NBA got out. Why is Major League Baseball the bad
guys forgetting out by you got any idea.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Well, I will say this is it would be increasingly
frustrating if I was a fan to have ownership in
the front office dismantle the teams like they have over
the past how many years when you have young stars,
even you know as recently as Matt Olsen and Matt
Chapman and those guys that ended up moving on. There
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was never a time to gain any sort of momentum.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
To have a winner.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
The facility is awful by all accounts from everything we've heard,
including the broadcast booth where there was a raccoon or whatever.
But I just I feel it's a lot to ask
the fans to continue to spend the money on a
team that continues to be dismantled. I don't I used
to think that they were just bandwagon fans. And I
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don't know if I got older and just differently and
maybe was more conscious of spending a buck in that
it moves maybe about more than sports. But they gave
them no reason to show up to the ballpark for
the last five or ten years.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
No question. I think that's fair. But I don't even
think it mattered that much. If they do show up, right,
that's only a fraction of what it takes to make money.
It's just not a you know, like for people who
don't know. My sister used to be second in charge
of marketing with the Raiders, and when they moved from
LA to Oakland, you know, it did not take a
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long time before they when they making calls on corporations like, look,
we'd love to do business with you, but you're not
in San Francisco, so you don't hit our target demo.
Just the socioeconomic background of people who go to A's games,
Raiders games, even Warriors games in Oakland is not where
where the high level advertising dollars are marketing dollars are.
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It's it really is that simple, and it's it's a
weird thing. It's you know, I wish I could explain
it in any other way, but it is about the money.
But people oftentimes it's like, well, it's bad what they're
doing and tearing it down. And this year is obviously
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a pathetic joke. There have been other years where they've
been at least competitive, but they're bottoming out. I think
with the idea of you go to Vegas, new stadium,
new money, and now you go and spend and oh yeah,
by the way, you load up your farm system, so
it's all ready to go. What about you, Jays? Do
you're kind of a baseball historian? Are you in any
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way negative about the A's organization moving No.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I think it'll be good for baseball, it'll be interesting
for Las Vegas that has a lot of momentum going
for it. The A's have had decades, literally decades to
figure out the stadium situation, and that has just been
a dog crap situation from the very beginning. And the
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A's fans, and I don't know how many of there are,
if there, If there are twenty four thousand A's fans,
that's a surprise to me. They have nothing to complain about.
You could be sad, but you also have an hour
trip to Vegas. That's a that's a real nice Southwest flight.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh. I agree there, And I don't know why anybody
would go to what's the most baseball games you've ever
gone to in a year?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Three?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Probably Jay Suo, Probably twenty.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Dodger games mostly, Yeah, because you worked for the Dodgers network.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah, that was that was an easy time to go
to games.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But even like even twenty, that's a lot, right, that's
a lot. That's like, that's an investment. I mean, honestly,
I would guess even free tickets, did you have free parking.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
In that situation? Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I did, Okay, I mean, like, look, even if you
have free tickets, you had to paper parking. It's an
expensive night. Like I've just I've never understood the baseball
regular season ticket holder thing. I'm with buyer. I love baseball.
I can watch every night at home, and if I
go a couple times the year, it feels special to me. Like,
I don't understand what the what the big losses.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Are you talking about recently or just in my lifetime?
In my like, since I was.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
In your lifetime, what's the most most I would just
want to know.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Eighty nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Specifically, we used to go to about forty It's half the.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Home game of the forties.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, soos were eighty How many home games are there?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Eighty season tickets?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Eighty?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Sriff.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
My parents we bought at least one ticket for each series. U.
When I was, when I was like ten to like
eighteen years old, we went to every every like Sunday doctor,
what's that?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
We just it was very It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
It was it was it was really expensive.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
It wasn't expensive. It was like nineteen seventy seven to
like nineteen eight, nineteen nine.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, So but if you bought it that, I mean
you went to all those games.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Yes, Me and my mom and dad went to every
every at least one home series every the whole season,
so half of the eighty two games.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Does feel like at some points, like going to church,
like a god good.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
We would show up at like the game. It was like,
let's say it was a one o'clock start game on Sunday,
We'd show up like at ten.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
In the morning and we'd get it.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
We just would sit there, we'd eat, we'd watch batting practice.
It was a big part of my childhood.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It was. It was awesome. Okay, So are you should
we be said that the Oakland A's will be no more.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
A little bit? Yeah, I do think they have a
rich history in Oakland. They have three world four World
Series actually, including many great players that went through there,
and Reggie Jackson and the greatest of Charles Finny, even
though he kind of started the whole one of the
whole thing about you know, getting rid of guys with
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free agency, with Catfish Hunter and stuff like that. So
but yes, this should be a little bit of first
sportsbook I ever read with Cafish Hunter's autobiography. Yeah, I
mean he left to go to the Yankees for three
million dollars correct, that was a lot of money back
in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, by many people's estimation. Everybody says Kurt Flood, but
Catfish Hunter was the first true free agent and free
agent signing in Major League Baseball history. Yeah, Like, look,
I think it's okay to be sad, but to sit
here and fight the fact that, like, there's obviously a
reason that all of these teams are leaving and and
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and look, a lot of it is the stadium, right,
Like people are like, oh, I liked Oracle better, Like,
come on, man, but the reality is that when they
didn't win, the Warriors for forty years didn't draw. They
just didn't. The Raiders never drew particularly well, like oh
the black Hole, Like yeah, go look up and Mount
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Davis top of Staton wasn't full and the have not
traditionally drawn. Well, now, could you build a new stadium,
like yeah, but that's a little bit of lipstick on
a pig and you'd make more money. Hey, but it would.
You're still not going to fill up the stadium and
you're not gonna be able to get the non baseball
revenue the way you would when you're in Vegas. It's
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a sports is a business, and look, there's a balance
between you have to stay loyal to the city, and
there's city has stay loyal to you. And I've said
this before about this is San Diego. I feel no
sympathy for San Diego. I understand that when they lost
the Chargers, the mayor was the mayor was being investigated
and it was a joke. But you had like a
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decade there to build a stadium and they said, we
want our stadium to be in downtown. Well, you know,
you got to pay for more of it, like you know,
for for eight games a year. Now you pay for it,
you're going to get the economic benefits of it. But
like real civic leaders like you got to find a
way to build a stadium and keep a team, and
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the Clinton did a bad job of it for a
long time. The demo of the city isn't great. Clearly
can't support high, high level sports teams. And so you've
already lost two and now it feels like you're wrapping
your arms around the Oakland A's because of the last
one to go the gone, And I actually think it
hurts your point to go like, okay, this is a game,
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we're all going to show up as a reverse boycott,
and you put twenty seven thousand people in the place,
twenty seven thousand people in the place again. I'll be
completely honest with you. The Angels have been poorly run
for twenty years. Right now they're playing well. I almost
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feel bad about mentioning it. They won eight of the
last nine games, including taking the first two from the
Rangers in the series. But Jay stew how many people
do the Angels put in their building every year?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
A lot?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Three million every year every year? You know, and the
owner show the Ardi Mariner doesn't even want to call
it Anaheim. He wants nothing to do with Orange County.
He tries to call it la doesn't matter. Three million
people show up, they're good, they're bad, three And I
don't like giving money to a bad team. I love
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my Trout and watching him and show Hey play. But
the point is that certain markets can support it, certain
markets can't. And at the end of the day, it's
not a charity. It's a business. And you're kind of
making the point of the business if in the one
night where you're like, hey, tonight's tonight tickets are like nothing,
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everybody show up in twenty seven thousand people show up.
It's not personal it's strictly business correct correct, Thank you, Michael.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
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Radio NBA Insider and Mark the If you've been listening
to the show, and I know you tweeted out, Dan
Bayer's been updating us. Brad beal open to the possibility
of a trade. Cases got the only no trade clause
in the NBA. Open to a trade if the Wizards
choose to reset the roster, and if we go back
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a week ago. Mike Winger, who was brought over from
the Clippers, is running the organization, has been given carte
blanche to reset the roster. So it feels like this
is going to happen. What do you think the probability
is that brad Beal's traded this offseason.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's good of happen.
It's just a matter of when I don't have confidence
it will happen this offseason. Here's why I've been told,
for what it's worth, that how these conversations came to
be is, you know, look, Michael Winger, Travis Schlank that
are near the front office. They're trying to get to
know everyone and talk to people, including Bradley Beal. So
it was about kind of laying the lands out the landscape,
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gain a sense of expectations. And that's where it came up.
If they decide to rebuild, you know, how would Bradley
feel about it? And he mentioned about, you know, wanting
to work with him about trade destinations. But for what
it's worth, I have been told it was stress that
neither the Wizards nor Bradley Beal's camp were pushing, Hey,
we got to end this right, But it has to
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always require a first step for that relationship to end,
and this very well could be that. And when you
look at Michael Winger's history with the Clippers, you know
he was part of them. You know, getting Kawhi Leonard,
Paul George. He was very much on the mind of
there's a lot of value in collecting assets, whether it's
drafted good role players. When Travis Schlank took over the
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Atlanta Hawks, you know, he blew up the roster and
I remember talking to him at the time. He felt like,
you know, the Hawks' best days were behind him, that
those were the years of you know, the no stats
all star so to speak of, you know, the Kyle
Korvers of the world and Dwight Howard's time there, and
he felt like, well, they're just going to be mediocre.
What's the point of wearing that back? So they those
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two people in particular, very much have a history of
not being afraid to start from scratch and looking at
value in collecting assets. So I do think it'll happen,
But whether it's this offseason or not, who knows. But
it was very important to have this conversation knowing their
first there to start out, they want to get to
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know everyone, and we have the draft coming up and
that's always an opportunity for trudes.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They want to get in the top three of the draft.
Portland has a top three draft pick. Portland's trying to
hold on to Damian Lillard. Is that a reasonable destination?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It is a reasonable destination, But I don't think Portland's
got to the point where they will trade Damian lower.
Maybe Damien has mentioned Miami Heat is a nice destination,
But I would be very surprised that, whether it involves
Bradley Beal or anyone, that they deal Damien. But you
know you will.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Construct I'm Damian Lillard to bring you too.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It could work. I just don't know what you know
the Wizards would get in return. That's a value, right,
And I think the tricky part of this no trade
clause is there's there's no way around it. The Wizards
aren't going to get equal you know, sense on the
dollar here. But when it comes to finding a trade
that's somewhat reasonable, Bradley Beal not only can veto it
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if he doesn't like the trade, but if it gets
to the point where that team's cutting the roster to
get him, he might think, well, I'm just playing on
the Wizards again, right with someone around me, so he
can nix that. So yeah, I think that they can
play well together. I would suspect that Damien would still
be the number one guy, and you know they've he
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shared a back court much of a lesser caliber player
with CJ. McCollum. But I don't see what else Portland
has the value that would make it worth for the
Wizards to go down that road.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Okay, what's the latest on Kyrie Irving?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The latest is I think that he winds up in
a Maverick's uniform. But the point of contention is going
to be length and number. And I think that Kyrie
from the time with you know, his breakup with Brooklyn,
the point of contention was he viewed himself as a
MAX player. He should have gotten the multi year extension.
When that didn't happen, he decided to leave. And in
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this case, I don't know what the better alternatives are,
right because he's already alien aated basically the entire league.
You know, I know that this whole pipe dream of
you know, trying to convince Lebron to come to the MAVs,
that's never going to happen. I also think it's ever
going to happen of him him coming to the Lakers,
partly because Kyrie is not going to accept any kind
of discount deal. But even if it did. You know,
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I think the Lakers, staying back to the trade deadline
have been about, look, we want to have guys that
we know are going to be available on a consistent basis,
because we've we're already dealing with the unknowns with Lebron,
you know, gain order and entering his twenty first season,
Anthony Davis's injury history. So I think with all that said,
Kyrie winds up staying put with Dallas. But I think
the larger part is what else did they build around
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him and Luca? Because, in fairness to Kyrie, I'd been
told from the very beginning throughout this season that obviously
they missed the Plan tournament, but there weren't a lot
of issues internally as far as how Kyrie's presence in
the locker room was. It was really just they didn't
have enough of a supporting cast. And at this point,
you know, Luca is not talking about, well, if you
don't improve the roster enough, I want to get out
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of here. But if it goes down that road where
it's just patch working random nice role players together, but
that ultimately doesn't mean much, I do wonder if he
reaches a breaking.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Point, Okay, so what do the Lakers do.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I think that there's a few low hanging for here,
Austin Reeves, ruly, Action Moore coming back. They're restricted. They
do like their upside. They are aware though that they're
probably going to get a lot of interest, and then
after that it's how do they manage the salary cap
and they don't have a lot of other resources to
get They do like D'Angel Russell on one hand, because
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he's continuity, he helped revamp the offense. If it is
a cap friendly figure because of depressed interest in the market,
they could do that. But if he gets Lucra Tove
offers elsewhere, I think that they'll just say hey, nice
knowing you, and then at that point maybe see if
they can do some sign in trades. But I think
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that while everything is fluid and everything's on the table,
and they'll certainly explore trade possibilities, it just seems like
they're very much erring on valuing continuity versus let's try
to get a third star are or anything else, because
of what they've seen this past year. When you don't
have depth put in the hands of Lebron and ad
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being healthy on a consistent basis, just hasn't happened, and
there's no reason to think that'll happen again next season.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Okay, you got the Warriors, you have a new general manager, right,
you have new leadership, you got the Draymond Green decision.
Apparently now that they it looks like that they want
to they want to hang on to some of the
pieces that people thought they would part with. What are
the Warriors looking at?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, well, first with the draft nineteenth pick is you know,
Doug like mid first round picks, they're not game changers,
and you know, sometimes it's like whoever's available. But I
want to be surprised that if they find players of
equal value in that nineteenth pick, maybe they lean more
toward people who are experienced because of the idea that
they already dealt with learning curves the past few years,
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and they want to try to maximize Steph and Clay
and Draymond's windows. But the bigger portions about Draymond if
he opts out, which very well likely might happen, they
do want to keep them. But it's just a matter
of what the dollar number looks like. And it's not
even just Draymond Green's value at this time of his
age of his career. It's also just the luxury tax implications.
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And while the Warriors have never been a team that
wanted to say, hey, we are going to prioritize business
decisions over basketball decisions, the reality is this with the CBA,
like you can almost multiply seven times one, so every
one million you're spending, it's going to be seven extra
that they're spending on the luxury tax. And then the
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other part is with Klay Thompson, I don't think that
they're going to extend him this summer. They do like them,
you know, they want to keep riding that train, but
I think because he has one year left on his contract,
he didn't have the best year this past season, and
you know, wanting to see how he's continued to overcome
his injuries, they feel like, let's just ride out this
season and then we'll have those conversations next summer. And
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then with Jordan Poole, I don't think that they're looking
to trade him just for the sake of it or
audition by subtraction. I do think that they give him
credit for his role in the title last season, his
role for at least being professional after the Draymond punch
at the end they got to the second round. Now
that being said, they are mindful of inconsistency, so with that,
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they're certainly not beholden to him. Part of the reason
why they did the extension the first place is, you know,
not only did they have confidence in his upside, but
they also thought that that would give them flexibility for
possible deals down the line. So they'll certainly be aggressive
listen to offers, but Jordan Poole will only not be
in a warrior's uniform if they wind up getting a
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significant deal of substance as opposed to just dumping salary
or addition by subtraction.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, I think it's one of those deals where it
looks like a ton of money now and it really is,
and like every day money. But the more the new
deals come in, the more will actually be a little
you know, it will be substantially less than the top
level deals. If you can think you can make him
into a starter. There's some talk about Zion Williamson potentially
being moved. Is that a reality?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It very well could be a reality. I mean, I
know that David Griffin, he's very aggressive and trying to
get draft picks and all that, and uh, look, you
got the skew tenders and potentially available, maybe they'll go
for it. But with Zion, I also don't know, if
you know, teams like Portland or Charle would want him
because of his unknown injury history. And it's very interesting
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because prior to this past season, the Pelicans were very
bullish on a number of things. They were optimistic that
his injuries are behind him. They felt like he was
coachable and he's doing all the right things as far
as learning to unshd bad habits from conditioning, training, dietary standpoint,
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and they do feel like he's a good guy, but
clearly that discipline hasn't been there and being able to
be consistent and when it comes to availability, look like
the off the court stuff is something else. And you know, look,
I think that that's more of a private thing and
I don't think it's going to even enter the equation.
But to be clear, I want to be surprised that
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they include him in possibilities just because they've never known
if he can be consistently healthy and be Given his
track record since entering the NBA, you have to assume
that he's not going to be consistently available.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Bruce Brown's the only, like I don't want to say
question Mark, but the only guy that potentially could leave.
The Nuggets feels like the Nuggets, and I'm I'm very
much against any dynasty talk. It does feel like they're
They're a team that, while winning a championship, you could
essentially expect the same roster and maybe some additions in
terms of depth in the regular season coming up next year.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah. Well, look, they're whole starting fives under contract next season.
So I'm with you, it's too early to dynasty talk.
When you look at the history of the league. I think,
what the Celtics, the Lakers, the Warriors, the Calves, they're
not the Calves. The Rockets and the Bulls are the
only teams to ever repeat, So it's hard to do that.
Number one. But number two, I think that you know,
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Bruce Brown, he told the Denver Posts he wants to
come back. So they have the core pieces in play,
and I would handicap the odds for them to repeat
because they're all in their prime. They got continuity. There's
so many other unknowns with the other possible contenders, with
Boston and Milwaukee, and I guess the Clippers and the Warriors.
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But you do have to also assume, because it's the NBA,
there's going to be changes this summer. Teams are going
to make monumental moves or make incremental moves that change
the championship landscape. So I'm with you. Too early for
dynasty talk, but not too early to think they are
the favorites to win the title next season. But certainly
not what it was with the Warriors with Kevin Durant
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where he felt like it's now world, They're going to
collect another one. It's the Nuggets number one, and then
a handful of other teams in the mix, and depending
on the off season, maybe it's just a collection of
parody among all those, including the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He's the great, Mark Medina. He joins us here on
Fox Sports Radiers, our NBA insider, Mark you the best,
really appreciates joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Right back at you, my friend, I appreciate you.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (33:28):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Jayce, Dude, you see
that tweet from some Oakland fan, no to all of us.
It was Alec in PDX. So he doesn't even live
in Oakland. He lives in Portland, right. I've listened to
Gottlieb show a bit over the years. He's always taken
runs at Oakland anytime. He can not sure if Oakland
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had sex with his wife or man made him watch,
but for some reason he's always hated Oakland, which is fine.
He doesn't present himself as objective anyway, but for him
to kick off his nationally syndicated radio show on his
knees verbally, I'll i'll pass from that word. It's not
a terrible word, but in the context it is John
Fisher and I don't know who deva caval Maybe throw
(34:12):
up in my mouth, Jason Stewart, tell Doug he's a yatch.
Alec my brother lived in Oakley Oakland Hills for six years.
I'm telling you the reality of it. Like you want
to sit here and kill the messenger. Fine, you lost
your raiders, you lost your warriors, you're losing your a's.
(34:35):
This is not a Doug Gottlieb problem. It's not an
ownership problem. It's a you problem. By the way, you
don't live there anymore either. Well, I moved out of
Oakland because of whatever, so did all three teams. I
thought I made a pretty smart point. They were like
in the one night, the one night all year, They're like, hey,
(34:58):
let's screw him up. Reverse boy caught. Everybody show up.
Twenty seven thousand people are there. That is akin to
Jerry maguire saying, who's coming with me? And he got
renee Zelwigger and some goldfish. That's it. You can call
me all names you want. I don't live in Oakland.
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I don't care about Oakland. I'm just telling you no
professional sports teams want to be in Oakland. And if
you put PDX by your name, that probably means that
you live in Portland. Even you don't want to be
in Oakland. Let's get to a game. This is game tied.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
My buddy says, Yeah, Oakland, price to living going up,
chance to living going down. That's a little unfair, but
probably accurate. What's the game today? What's the game today?
Rank them?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I just wanted to let it breathe so I was
not tied to any of these comments.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's a good foight.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, it is one of the chances today, Doug, what
are the chances that Bradley Beal and Damian Lillard are
on new teams to start next season?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think it's about both of them.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yes, this is a double up, double up, double up.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
He's from Oakland and he sir mix a lot. Yeah,
it's from Seattle. I don't know, I can't remember. What
are the chances chances can someone.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Get sir mix a lot is from.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That is from Seattle, but it could be wrong Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
You're right, my bad. Yeah, even he's not from Oakland.
One of the chances, I'll go forty And the reason
that I'm saying forty percent is I do think there's
a world where brad Beaal ends up in Portland, right,
top three pick. They want a dude, you gotta be
able to take on a ridiculous salary.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I know.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I like Brad Beal. I've heard only great things about
him as a human being. Remarkable physical fitness. I've always
got like a thirty size thirty two waists too, Like
he's six or five with like a thirty two waist,
but he is thirty. He's had a bunch of injuries,
and that's a that's a gigantic contract. I don't think
the value is what you'd get for Kevin you got
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for Kevin Durant, for example, So I'd say forty percent
chance they both end up elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
All right, Doug, what are the chances the Stefan Diggs
drama lingers in Buffalo?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I'd say seventy percent because of the bid language in
the playoff game, because of this being the first part
of the it's if. Even if he's there, it's gonna linger.
I think linger is the appropriate word that I'm reacting to.
Seventy percent chance.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Finally, Doug, what are the chances that there's some hiccup
to your arrival at tomorrow's life broadcast at the US Open.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Okay, guys, tell me way too well.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
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that have happened in the last twenty four hours that
I think are you know, Like the Brad Beale story
is interesting. Well, I'm not gonna request a trade, but like, look,
if you guys are gonna start over and you guys
are gonna trade away guys like I could, Yeah, I could.
I'll think about it. So Brad Beale is going to
be traded right by the way, programming note tomorrow and
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let's give credit words due Dan Byer hooked us all up.
We're going to the US Open. I'm actually gonna get
to play and a force them. That's all because of Dan.
Dan doesn't know that I'm kidding. We get to go.
We'll going to the US Open broadcasting live from the
LA Country Club tomorrow, so we'll be drinking sipping our tea.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm making sure we have closed toad shoes, baby, yes, yes, yes,
I have to worry polo and some golf pence, some
golf pence. But we're going to the US Open tomorrow. Buyer,
if you were going to put a little cash, maybe
of the eight million dollars that Mike Florio said, one
(01:46):
NFL player lost in gambling this last year, you pullow
cash on a golfer to win the US Open at
the LA Country Club.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Who to be?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I'm going to take a popular name that is flying
a little under the raid, hasn't played great this year.
Justin Thomas. Yes, Justin Thomas, popular name, multiple major winner.
But we hear a lot about rom and Scheffler and Koepka, Rory,
but h Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna take a little flyer.
(02:19):
I think that would be good value. I don't know
what the odds are, but I.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Know I no love for Max Homa in the in
the I.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Think there's too much talk about Max Homer because he
set the course record there at the PAC twelve tournament
ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Local boy, I think it's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Is he from la It feels like that's gonna be
the Jerome bettis Detroit sort of thing here. Yes, you
know Max Homa is from La.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Right, and well, you.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Know in La is so big, but it's in our mine,
in Jason Stewart's neck of the woods.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
There you go. Yeah, did you guys know that they're
from lah Okay, we'll get to the beal stuff. Martin
Medine is going to join us. What does he join us?
Thirty after the hour, half past the hour, or so twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Five after the hour.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
We also have a we're going to debut or debut,
depending upon your pronunciation. We're going to debut. That's baseball.
And it's one of my favorite things to do because
when the term when people say that's baseball, it's like
explaining the inexplicable. But in baseball, that's kind of part
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of the curiosity to the sport, right, part of the
pleasure to the sport as well, is the you know,
guy comes up and he's hitting below the Mendoza line
and he hits for the cycle. Like that didn't make
any sense. That's baseball, anyway, we got that's baseball. Upcoming
in fifteen minutes, Scott Mark Medina will talk about the
potential trades. Could Damian Lillard be on the move? What
about Brad Beal And oh yeah, by the way, a
(03:44):
question that I will pose to him, which I think
is really pertinent, is I'm not willing to call the
nuggets of dynasty. I realized, like Bayer pointed out, they
had a very easy run seed wise to their first
ever NBA championship. But all of the pertinent guys outside
of Bruce Brown or under contract, I'm sure he's going
to get resigned and stay. They're very likely to be
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at least very competitive in the future. Does this change
how you put together a roster? And I'll back that
up as to why that's a legit question upcoming later
this hour. But let's talk about the when you're in Oakland.
You're close to Berkeley, I mean Berkeley basically part of Oakland.
You know there was going to be some sort of protest.
(04:29):
Now a day goes by. My brother was at Berkeley
at cal as an assistant basketball coach for six years,
and he's like, there's just always a protest over something.
As a matter of fact, I love this one. Do
you guys know the story. They have an athletic performance
center that opened a couple of years ago. When he
was there, they had all the funding, they'd raised the money.
They had over three hundred million dollars set for this
(04:50):
athletic performance center, but they couldn't break ground because in
order to break ground, they need to cut down some trees,
and you had people living in the trees. These were
not redwoods that were over one hundred years old. They
were planted in like the fifties and sixties. But it's
berserkly and you had people live literally living in the trees.
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And then again this is a real story, at some
point in time, they got a court order to cut
the food lines, to cut the food lines to try
and get people out of the trees. So the people
living in the trees as a response through their poop
through their poop at people who were trying to get
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them out of the trees. That's a crappy job, is
it not? Anyway? So they had a was it a
reverse boycott last night in Oakland reverse boycott And the
idea is, no one's been going to the last place
A's games all year anyway, So as part of a
reverse boycott, the Oakland A's fans would show up. They
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played a massive stadium which was added on to when
the Raiders came back from LA when they built this
gargantuan third level out in center field. It's called Mount Davis,
and nobody sits there. So here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I just.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Obviously all of us grew up who grew up in
the eighties. Remember the Bash Brothers. If you're in the seventies,
you remember Reggie Jackson in those Oakland A's teams. And
you know, because of the popularity of the book Moneyball
and the movie Moneyball, and the success at times of
this baseball club, the A's have always been kind of
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part of the baseball conversation. But what are we doing here?
Sports is in fact a business, and it's really weird.
Like the Warriors left a couple years ago, and granted
they only went across the Bay, but they're never coming
back and they can wear, you know, Oakland on their jerseys,
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but they're in San Francisco. It's an absolute game changer
in terms of the value of the franchise as well
as the money that you can bring in. If you're
mad at the A's, you should be really mad at
the Warriors, but you're not. The Warriors, I believe made
seven hundred and fifty million dollars off their non basketball
revenue last year. Why because they have a new arena
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that they own and they're able to charge the nose
because they're in San Francisco, which is which is incredibly
powerful and popular real estate. You know, there's a reason
that the Niners, when looking to build a new stadium, look,
did not even though the Raiders were leaving. They wanted
nothing to do with Oakland. It's just financially, it's not
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reasonable to be in that city. They've lost the NFL,
they've lost the NBA, they're going to lose Major League Baseball.
And on a day when all of these people called
for Hey, just in a rare twist, it costs you nothing.
It's a last place game, but we're gonna show them
what we're made up. Twenty seven thousand people showed up.
You do realize that you didn't. You reiterated and doubled
down on every thought that anybody has about keeping a
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team in Oakland. Of course it's about the stadium, but
at some point whoever's owned the franchise has said, it
doesn't really matter the stadium. We can't make money here
or the type of money that we want to make.
And we're in this weird time where Orton's weird time
where like so, if you own a franchise worth over
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a billion dollars, you're not supposed to make it profitable.
I don't understand Buyer helped me out when you watch
the reverse boycott last night, and just so you're where
like Buyer and I and Jay Stu Ramos, I don't
think you'll find a show that has it's a collection
of bigger baseball fans, maybe outside like East Coast based
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shows where people talk. We don't talk about baseball because
baseball the national sports radio is just not that popular, right,
but this is an interesting topic. It's like, of all
the teams to do a reverse boycott and to really
protest and get mad about them leaving. Why the A's
are not the Raiders or the Warriors because you're the
last ones to go, and by the way, you should
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have been the first ones to go. They don't draw well, yes,
the stadiums are dump but you can't make money on
that team, not nearly the money you can make in
Vegas or in Nashville, or in Montreal or wherever else.
Baseball knows it as well. That's why Baseball, by all reports,
they're not even go to charge them a relocation fee.
Let's get him the hell out of Oakland and pretend
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like we're really sad. Nobody's really sad. It's a weird market.
You just can't make as much money there as you
can in other places. And the NFL got out, the
NBA got out. Why is Major League Baseball the bad
guys forgetting out by you got any idea.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Well, I will say this is it would be increasingly
frustrating if I was a fan to have ownership in
the front office dismantle the teams like they have over
the past how many years when you have young stars,
even you know as recently as Matt Olsen and Matt
Chapman and those guys that ended up moving on. There
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was never a time to gain any sort of momentum.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
To have a winner.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
The facility is awful by all accounts from everything we've heard,
including the broadcast booth where there was a raccoon or whatever.
But I just I feel it's a lot to ask
the fans to continue to spend the money on a
team that continues to be dismantled. I don't I used
to think that they were just bandwagon fans. And I
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don't know if I got older and just differently and
maybe was more conscious of spending a buck in that
it moves maybe about more than sports. But they gave
them no reason to show up to the ballpark for
the last five or ten years.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
No question. I think that's fair. But I don't even
think it mattered that much. If they do show up, right,
that's only a fraction of what it takes to make money.
It's just not a you know, like for people who
don't know. My sister used to be second in charge
of marketing with the Raiders, and when they moved from
LA to Oakland, you know, it did not take a
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long time before they when they making calls on corporations like, look,
we'd love to do business with you, but you're not
in San Francisco, so you don't hit our target demo.
Just the socioeconomic background of people who go to A's games,
Raiders games, even Warriors games in Oakland is not where
where the high level advertising dollars are marketing dollars are.
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It's it really is that simple, and it's it's a
weird thing. It's you know, I wish I could explain
it in any other way, but it is about the money.
But people oftentimes it's like, well, it's bad what they're
doing and tearing it down. And this year is obviously
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a pathetic joke. There have been other years where they've
been at least competitive, but they're bottoming out. I think
with the idea of you go to Vegas, new stadium,
new money, and now you go and spend and oh yeah,
by the way, you load up your farm system, so
it's all ready to go. What about you, Jays? Do
you're kind of a baseball historian? Are you in any
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way negative about the A's organization moving No.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I think it'll be good for baseball, it'll be interesting
for Las Vegas that has a lot of momentum going
for it. The A's have had decades, literally decades to
figure out the stadium situation, and that has just been
a dog crap situation from the very beginning. And the
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A's fans, and I don't know how many of there are,
if there, If there are twenty four thousand A's fans,
that's a surprise to me. They have nothing to complain about.
You could be sad, but you also have an hour
trip to Vegas. That's a that's a real nice Southwest flight.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Oh. I agree there, And I don't know why anybody
would go to what's the most baseball games you've ever
gone to in a year?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Three?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Probably Jay Suo, Probably twenty.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Dodger games mostly, Yeah, because you worked for the Dodgers network.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Yeah, that was that was an easy time to go
to games.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But even like even twenty, that's a lot, right, that's
a lot. That's like, that's an investment. I mean, honestly,
I would guess even free tickets, did you have free parking.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
In that situation? Yes?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I did, Okay, I mean, like, look, even if you
have free tickets, you had to paper parking. It's an
expensive night. Like I've just I've never understood the baseball
regular season ticket holder thing. I'm with buyer. I love baseball.
I can watch every night at home, and if I
go a couple times the year, it feels special to me. Like,
I don't understand what the what the big losses.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Are you talking about recently or just in my lifetime?
In my like, since I was.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
In your lifetime, what's the most most I would just
want to know.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Eighty nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Specifically, we used to go to about forty It's half the.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Home game of the forties.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, soos were eighty How many home games are there?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Eighty season tickets?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Eighty?
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Sriff.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
My parents we bought at least one ticket for each series. U.
When I was, when I was like ten to like
eighteen years old, we went to every every like Sunday doctor,
what's that?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
We just it was very It wasn't.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
It was it was it was really expensive.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
It wasn't expensive. It was like nineteen seventy seven to
like nineteen eight, nineteen nine.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, So but if you bought it that, I mean
you went to all those games.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Yes, Me and my mom and dad went to every
every at least one home series every the whole season,
so half of the eighty two games.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Does feel like at some points, like going to church,
like a god good.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
We would show up at like the game. It was like,
let's say it was a one o'clock start game on Sunday,
We'd show up like at ten.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
In the morning and we'd get it.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
We just would sit there, we'd eat, we'd watch batting practice.
It was a big part of my childhood.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
It was. It was awesome. Okay, So are you should
we be said that the Oakland A's will be no more.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
A little bit? Yeah, I do think they have a
rich history in Oakland. They have three world four World
Series actually, including many great players that went through there,
and Reggie Jackson and the greatest of Charles Finny, even
though he kind of started the whole one of the
whole thing about you know, getting rid of guys with
(15:56):
free agency, with Catfish Hunter and stuff like that. So
but yes, this should be a little bit of first
sportsbook I ever read with Cafish Hunter's autobiography. Yeah, I
mean he left to go to the Yankees for three
million dollars correct, that was a lot of money back
in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, by many people's estimation. Everybody says Kurt Flood, but
Catfish Hunter was the first true free agent and free
agent signing in Major League Baseball history. Yeah, Like, look,
I think it's okay to be sad, but to sit
here and fight the fact that, like, there's obviously a
reason that all of these teams are leaving and and
(16:34):
and look, a lot of it is the stadium, right,
Like people are like, oh, I liked Oracle better, Like,
come on, man, but the reality is that when they
didn't win, the Warriors for forty years didn't draw. They
just didn't. The Raiders never drew particularly well, like oh
the black Hole, Like yeah, go look up and Mount
(16:57):
Davis top of Staton wasn't full and the have not
traditionally drawn. Well, now, could you build a new stadium,
like yeah, but that's a little bit of lipstick on
a pig and you'd make more money. Hey, but it would.
You're still not going to fill up the stadium and
you're not gonna be able to get the non baseball
revenue the way you would when you're in Vegas. It's
(17:17):
a sports is a business, and look, there's a balance
between you have to stay loyal to the city, and
there's city has stay loyal to you. And I've said
this before about this is San Diego. I feel no
sympathy for San Diego. I understand that when they lost
the Chargers, the mayor was the mayor was being investigated
and it was a joke. But you had like a
(17:38):
decade there to build a stadium and they said, we
want our stadium to be in downtown. Well, you know,
you got to pay for more of it, like you know,
for for eight games a year. Now you pay for it,
you're going to get the economic benefits of it. But
like real civic leaders like you got to find a
way to build a stadium and keep a team, and
(17:59):
the Clinton did a bad job of it for a
long time. The demo of the city isn't great. Clearly
can't support high, high level sports teams. And so you've
already lost two and now it feels like you're wrapping
your arms around the Oakland A's because of the last
one to go the gone, And I actually think it
hurts your point to go like, okay, this is a game,
(18:21):
we're all going to show up as a reverse boycott,
and you put twenty seven thousand people in the place,
twenty seven thousand people in the place again. I'll be
completely honest with you. The Angels have been poorly run
for twenty years. Right now they're playing well. I almost
(18:45):
feel bad about mentioning it. They won eight of the
last nine games, including taking the first two from the
Rangers in the series. But Jay stew how many people
do the Angels put in their building every year?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
A lot?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Three million every year every year? You know, and the
owner show the Ardi Mariner doesn't even want to call
it Anaheim. He wants nothing to do with Orange County.
He tries to call it la doesn't matter. Three million
people show up, they're good, they're bad, three And I
don't like giving money to a bad team. I love
(19:16):
my Trout and watching him and show Hey play. But
the point is that certain markets can support it, certain
markets can't. And at the end of the day, it's
not a charity. It's a business. And you're kind of
making the point of the business if in the one
night where you're like, hey, tonight's tonight tickets are like nothing,
(19:37):
everybody show up in twenty seven thousand people show up.
It's not personal it's strictly business correct correct, Thank you, Michael.
Speaker 7 (19:46):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (20:00):
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(20:21):
Radio NBA Insider and Mark the If you've been listening
to the show, and I know you tweeted out, Dan
Bayer's been updating us. Brad beal open to the possibility
of a trade. Cases got the only no trade clause
in the NBA. Open to a trade if the Wizards
choose to reset the roster, and if we go back
(20:42):
a week ago. Mike Winger, who was brought over from
the Clippers, is running the organization, has been given carte
blanche to reset the roster. So it feels like this
is going to happen. What do you think the probability
is that brad Beal's traded this offseason.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's good of happen.
It's just a matter of when I don't have confidence
it will happen this offseason. Here's why I've been told,
for what it's worth, that how these conversations came to
be is, you know, look, Michael Winger, Travis Schlank that
are near the front office. They're trying to get to
know everyone and talk to people, including Bradley Beal. So
it was about kind of laying the lands out the landscape,
(21:20):
gain a sense of expectations. And that's where it came up.
If they decide to rebuild, you know, how would Bradley
feel about it? And he mentioned about, you know, wanting
to work with him about trade destinations. But for what
it's worth, I have been told it was stress that
neither the Wizards nor Bradley Beal's camp were pushing, Hey,
we got to end this right, But it has to
(21:43):
always require a first step for that relationship to end,
and this very well could be that. And when you
look at Michael Winger's history with the Clippers, you know
he was part of them. You know, getting Kawhi Leonard,
Paul George. He was very much on the mind of
there's a lot of value in collecting assets, whether it's
drafted good role players. When Travis Schlank took over the
(22:03):
Atlanta Hawks, you know, he blew up the roster and
I remember talking to him at the time. He felt like,
you know, the Hawks' best days were behind him, that
those were the years of you know, the no stats
all star so to speak of, you know, the Kyle
Korvers of the world and Dwight Howard's time there, and
he felt like, well, they're just going to be mediocre.
What's the point of wearing that back? So they those
(22:25):
two people in particular, very much have a history of
not being afraid to start from scratch and looking at
value in collecting assets. So I do think it'll happen,
But whether it's this offseason or not, who knows. But
it was very important to have this conversation knowing their
first there to start out, they want to get to
(22:45):
know everyone, and we have the draft coming up and
that's always an opportunity for trudes.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
They want to get in the top three of the draft.
Portland has a top three draft pick. Portland's trying to
hold on to Damian Lillard. Is that a reasonable destination?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It is a reasonable destination, But I don't think Portland's
got to the point where they will trade Damian lower.
Maybe Damien has mentioned Miami Heat is a nice destination,
But I would be very surprised that, whether it involves
Bradley Beal or anyone, that they deal Damien. But you
know you will.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Construct I'm Damian Lillard to bring you too.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It could work. I just don't know what you know
the Wizards would get in return. That's a value, right,
And I think the tricky part of this no trade
clause is there's there's no way around it. The Wizards
aren't going to get equal you know, sense on the
dollar here. But when it comes to finding a trade
that's somewhat reasonable, Bradley Beal not only can veto it
(23:47):
if he doesn't like the trade, but if it gets
to the point where that team's cutting the roster to
get him, he might think, well, I'm just playing on
the Wizards again, right with someone around me, so he
can nix that. So yeah, I think that they can
play well together. I would suspect that Damien would still
be the number one guy, and you know they've he
(24:07):
shared a back court much of a lesser caliber player
with CJ. McCollum. But I don't see what else Portland
has the value that would make it worth for the
Wizards to go down that road.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Okay, what's the latest on Kyrie Irving?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
The latest is I think that he winds up in
a Maverick's uniform. But the point of contention is going
to be length and number. And I think that Kyrie
from the time with you know, his breakup with Brooklyn,
the point of contention was he viewed himself as a
MAX player. He should have gotten the multi year extension.
When that didn't happen, he decided to leave. And in
(24:44):
this case, I don't know what the better alternatives are,
right because he's already alien aated basically the entire league.
You know, I know that this whole pipe dream of
you know, trying to convince Lebron to come to the MAVs,
that's never going to happen. I also think it's ever
going to happen of him him coming to the Lakers,
partly because Kyrie is not going to accept any kind
of discount deal. But even if it did. You know,
(25:07):
I think the Lakers, staying back to the trade deadline
have been about, look, we want to have guys that
we know are going to be available on a consistent basis,
because we've we're already dealing with the unknowns with Lebron,
you know, gain order and entering his twenty first season,
Anthony Davis's injury history. So I think with all that said,
Kyrie winds up staying put with Dallas. But I think
the larger part is what else did they build around
(25:29):
him and Luca? Because, in fairness to Kyrie, I'd been
told from the very beginning throughout this season that obviously
they missed the Plan tournament, but there weren't a lot
of issues internally as far as how Kyrie's presence in
the locker room was. It was really just they didn't
have enough of a supporting cast. And at this point,
you know, Luca is not talking about, well, if you
don't improve the roster enough, I want to get out
(25:51):
of here. But if it goes down that road where
it's just patch working random nice role players together, but
that ultimately doesn't mean much, I do wonder if he
reaches a breaking.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Point, Okay, so what do the Lakers do.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I think that there's a few low hanging for here,
Austin Reeves, ruly, Action Moore coming back. They're restricted. They
do like their upside. They are aware though that they're
probably going to get a lot of interest, and then
after that it's how do they manage the salary cap
and they don't have a lot of other resources to
get They do like D'Angel Russell on one hand, because
(26:26):
he's continuity, he helped revamp the offense. If it is
a cap friendly figure because of depressed interest in the market,
they could do that. But if he gets Lucra Tove
offers elsewhere, I think that they'll just say hey, nice
knowing you, and then at that point maybe see if
they can do some sign in trades. But I think
(26:46):
that while everything is fluid and everything's on the table,
and they'll certainly explore trade possibilities, it just seems like
they're very much erring on valuing continuity versus let's try
to get a third star are or anything else, because
of what they've seen this past year. When you don't
have depth put in the hands of Lebron and ad
(27:07):
being healthy on a consistent basis, just hasn't happened, and
there's no reason to think that'll happen again next season.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Okay, you got the Warriors, you have a new general manager, right,
you have new leadership, you got the Draymond Green decision.
Apparently now that they it looks like that they want
to they want to hang on to some of the
pieces that people thought they would part with. What are
the Warriors looking at?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, well, first with the draft nineteenth pick is you know,
Doug like mid first round picks, they're not game changers,
and you know, sometimes it's like whoever's available. But I
want to be surprised that if they find players of
equal value in that nineteenth pick, maybe they lean more
toward people who are experienced because of the idea that
they already dealt with learning curves the past few years,
(27:55):
and they want to try to maximize Steph and Clay
and Draymond's windows. But the bigger portions about Draymond if
he opts out, which very well likely might happen, they
do want to keep them. But it's just a matter
of what the dollar number looks like. And it's not
even just Draymond Green's value at this time of his
age of his career. It's also just the luxury tax implications.
(28:19):
And while the Warriors have never been a team that
wanted to say, hey, we are going to prioritize business
decisions over basketball decisions, the reality is this with the CBA,
like you can almost multiply seven times one, so every
one million you're spending, it's going to be seven extra
that they're spending on the luxury tax. And then the
(28:39):
other part is with Klay Thompson, I don't think that
they're going to extend him this summer. They do like them,
you know, they want to keep riding that train, but
I think because he has one year left on his contract,
he didn't have the best year this past season, and
you know, wanting to see how he's continued to overcome
his injuries, they feel like, let's just ride out this
season and then we'll have those conversations next summer. And
(29:02):
then with Jordan Poole, I don't think that they're looking
to trade him just for the sake of it or
audition by subtraction. I do think that they give him
credit for his role in the title last season, his
role for at least being professional after the Draymond punch
at the end they got to the second round. Now
that being said, they are mindful of inconsistency, so with that,
(29:23):
they're certainly not beholden to him. Part of the reason
why they did the extension the first place is, you know,
not only did they have confidence in his upside, but
they also thought that that would give them flexibility for
possible deals down the line. So they'll certainly be aggressive
listen to offers, but Jordan Poole will only not be
in a warrior's uniform if they wind up getting a
(29:46):
significant deal of substance as opposed to just dumping salary
or addition by subtraction.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, I think it's one of those deals where it
looks like a ton of money now and it really is,
and like every day money. But the more the new
deals come in, the more will actually be a little
you know, it will be substantially less than the top
level deals. If you can think you can make him
into a starter. There's some talk about Zion Williamson potentially
being moved. Is that a reality?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It very well could be a reality. I mean, I
know that David Griffin, he's very aggressive and trying to
get draft picks and all that, and uh, look, you
got the skew tenders and potentially available, maybe they'll go
for it. But with Zion, I also don't know, if
you know, teams like Portland or Charle would want him
because of his unknown injury history. And it's very interesting
(30:35):
because prior to this past season, the Pelicans were very
bullish on a number of things. They were optimistic that
his injuries are behind him. They felt like he was
coachable and he's doing all the right things as far
as learning to unshd bad habits from conditioning, training, dietary standpoint,
(30:57):
and they do feel like he's a good guy, but
clearly that discipline hasn't been there and being able to
be consistent and when it comes to availability, look like
the off the court stuff is something else. And you know, look,
I think that that's more of a private thing and
I don't think it's going to even enter the equation.
But to be clear, I want to be surprised that
(31:17):
they include him in possibilities just because they've never known
if he can be consistently healthy and be Given his
track record since entering the NBA, you have to assume
that he's not going to be consistently available.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Bruce Brown's the only, like I don't want to say
question Mark, but the only guy that potentially could leave.
The Nuggets feels like the Nuggets, and I'm I'm very
much against any dynasty talk. It does feel like they're
They're a team that, while winning a championship, you could
essentially expect the same roster and maybe some additions in
terms of depth in the regular season coming up next year.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah. Well, look, they're whole starting fives under contract next season.
So I'm with you, it's too early to dynasty talk.
When you look at the history of the league. I think,
what the Celtics, the Lakers, the Warriors, the Calves, they're
not the Calves. The Rockets and the Bulls are the
only teams to ever repeat, So it's hard to do that.
Number one. But number two, I think that you know,
(32:16):
Bruce Brown, he told the Denver Posts he wants to
come back. So they have the core pieces in play,
and I would handicap the odds for them to repeat
because they're all in their prime. They got continuity. There's
so many other unknowns with the other possible contenders, with
Boston and Milwaukee, and I guess the Clippers and the Warriors.
(32:37):
But you do have to also assume, because it's the NBA,
there's going to be changes this summer. Teams are going
to make monumental moves or make incremental moves that change
the championship landscape. So I'm with you. Too early for
dynasty talk, but not too early to think they are
the favorites to win the title next season. But certainly
not what it was with the Warriors with Kevin Durant
(32:59):
where he felt like it's now world, They're going to
collect another one. It's the Nuggets number one, and then
a handful of other teams in the mix, and depending
on the off season, maybe it's just a collection of
parody among all those, including the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He's the great, Mark Medina. He joins us here on
Fox Sports Radiers, our NBA insider, Mark you the best,
really appreciates joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Right back at you, my friend, I appreciate you.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Jayce, Dude, you see
that tweet from some Oakland fan, no to all of us.
It was Alec in PDX. So he doesn't even live
in Oakland. He lives in Portland, right. I've listened to
Gottlieb show a bit over the years. He's always taken
runs at Oakland anytime. He can not sure if Oakland
(33:50):
had sex with his wife or man made him watch,
but for some reason he's always hated Oakland, which is fine.
He doesn't present himself as objective anyway, but for him
to kick off his nationally syndicated radio show on his
knees verbally, I'll i'll pass from that word. It's not
a terrible word, but in the context it is John
Fisher and I don't know who deva caval Maybe throw
(34:12):
up in my mouth, Jason Stewart, tell Doug he's a yatch.
Alec my brother lived in Oakley Oakland Hills for six years.
I'm telling you the reality of it. Like you want
to sit here and kill the messenger. Fine, you lost
your raiders, you lost your warriors, you're losing your a's.
(34:35):
This is not a Doug Gottlieb problem. It's not an
ownership problem. It's a you problem. By the way, you
don't live there anymore either. Well, I moved out of
Oakland because of whatever, so did all three teams. I
thought I made a pretty smart point. They were like
in the one night, the one night all year, They're like, hey,
(34:58):
let's screw him up. Reverse boy caught. Everybody show up.
Twenty seven thousand people are there. That is akin to
Jerry maguire saying, who's coming with me? And he got
renee Zelwigger and some goldfish. That's it. You can call
me all names you want. I don't live in Oakland.
(35:18):
I don't care about Oakland. I'm just telling you no
professional sports teams want to be in Oakland. And if
you put PDX by your name, that probably means that
you live in Portland. Even you don't want to be
in Oakland. Let's get to a game. This is game tied.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
My buddy says, Yeah, Oakland, price to living going up,
chance to living going down. That's a little unfair, but
probably accurate. What's the game today? What's the game today?
Rank them?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I just wanted to let it breathe so I was
not tied to any of these comments.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's a good foight.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, it is one of the chances today, Doug, what
are the chances that Bradley Beal and Damian Lillard are
on new teams to start next season?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think it's about both of them.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yes, this is a double up, double up, double up.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
He's from Oakland and he sir mix a lot. Yeah,
it's from Seattle. I don't know, I can't remember. What
are the chances chances can someone.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Get sir mix a lot is from.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
That is from Seattle, but it could be wrong Washington.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
You're right, my bad. Yeah, even he's not from Oakland.
One of the chances, I'll go forty And the reason
that I'm saying forty percent is I do think there's
a world where brad Beaal ends up in Portland, right,
top three pick. They want a dude, you gotta be
able to take on a ridiculous salary.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I know.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I like Brad Beal. I've heard only great things about
him as a human being. Remarkable physical fitness. I've always
got like a thirty size thirty two waists too, Like
he's six or five with like a thirty two waist,
but he is thirty. He's had a bunch of injuries,
and that's a that's a gigantic contract. I don't think
the value is what you'd get for Kevin you got
(37:19):
for Kevin Durant, for example, So I'd say forty percent
chance they both end up elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
All right, Doug, what are the chances the Stefan Diggs
drama lingers in Buffalo?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I'd say seventy percent because of the bid language in
the playoff game, because of this being the first part
of the it's if. Even if he's there, it's gonna linger.
I think linger is the appropriate word that I'm reacting to.
Seventy percent chance.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Finally, Doug, what are the chances that there's some hiccup
to your arrival at tomorrow's life broadcast at the US Open.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Okay, guys, tell me way too well.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
It's your audits that game.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
This is game Time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey,
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(38:25):
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Speaker 4 (38:36):
For each wide receiver? John dre Hopkins meeting with the
Patriots today. Bill's wide receiver Stefon Diggs back at Mandatory
Mini camp.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Doug back to you.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
All right, Thank you so much, Dan s Doug gotlib
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