July 24, 2023 • 49 mins
Doug talks about a reported Zoom call over the weekend between some of the best running backs in the league where the discussion was the troubling running back market, Doug wonders what the end game is of the call since nothing can be done right now.
FSR NFL Insider Adam Caplan joins Doug to discuss the running back market, Nyheim Hines, and other major headlines around the NFL today.
Doug tells a story about a remarkable night after a sporting victory one year ago today.
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social media pages so it doesn't say seventy six ers,
cause it's like that. What's it called? What's the neuralizer?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And for remember men in Black? I think it's neuralizer
Men in Black. Don't you wish that was a real
thing where you could press it and it just like
wipes everybody's memory, No PTSD, you got that thing right,
wiped your memory, because that's essentially what James Harden thinks
he's doing. Are you remember the Philadelphia seventy six ers prestonalizer? Like,
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I don't know what team I played for. We'll get
to that upcoming. We also have we have a Steph
Curry list, which causes Lebron fans to freak out. But
let's dig in here. Okay, So two coinciding stories. First,
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the breaking news, which is you heard from Monci Belanya's
Naim Heines. I remember the Bills traded for him last
year on the trade deadline to I would say invigorate
because it wasn't a good running game that they need
to reinvigorate. Nobody ever invigorates, They only reinvig you guys
notice that. But they had to invigorate their run game
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more than just Josh Allen. So they bring in Nim Heimes,
who was under contract for really this year like a
one million guarantee and the next year if they kept him,
would be about five and a half million dollars. And
well he was jet skiing this weekend, which just got
to point out, I don't know anybody who doesn't enjoy
a good jet ski. I think there's a Daniel Tosh
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has a bit so again I'm quoting Daniel Tosh here.
I didn't. I'm not smart enough for funny enough to
come up with it. And I believe Jay Stu sent
it to me like last week, and I saw it
on social media as well, which is Tosh has his
great line money can't buy you. They say money can't
buy you happiness, but money can buy you a jet ski.
And have you ever seen anybody not smiling on a
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jet ski? It's a great point. I think our answer is, yes,
I found somebody, Naim Hemes who The story they want
us to believe, and maybe it's true is he was
seated on a jets which, by the way, isn't that
a seed?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Do?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Technically is in the jet skis, the one the old
school ones you stand up on like I do. Feel
like seeds have become jet skis and the old school
stand up jet skis are no more. But that's like
what the pros use, right, The pros use those stand
up ones with like the levering. We may be getting
way too much in the weeds, but most people know
what I'm talking about and I am insanely jealous of
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people who own their own jet skis. It's probably a
total money loser. But the idea that you can go
like do you want to go jet ski? Yes, we
can go right now. Instead of being this guy who
you got to have friends with jet skis, and those friends,
no matter how bad a friend they are to you,
you keep them in your friend rolodex because they do
have jet skis, in a boat and a cool place
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to hang out. Right, don't act like you're not that guy.
Don't act like it for a second anyway, niam Heims.
We're told, seating on a jet ski, somebody else runs
into his knee with their jet skis, trashing his knee.
He's out for the year. Okay, So I want you
to take that story and just place it aside, right,
(04:08):
So like if you're making a big meal, right, you
cut up all the different stuff right, Okay, Now you're
gonna get to the main course. Over the weekend, there
was a zoom call with a bunch of these running backs,
most notably Josh Jacobs of the Raiders, Saquon Barkley of
the Giants, and who's a Tony? What's the Tony Pollard
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of the Cowboys, amongst others. Now, when I hear group
a media emergency zoom call, I'm brought back to the
time of COVID, right, zoom call. The term zoom call
didn't exist, the company existed, but the term nobody said
zoom call before COVID, and you guys remember that. And
before I could even get to what was accomplished or
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not accomplished, I'm just picturing somebody was muted who didn't
want to be muted. Somebody's video was off, probably for
good reason, but maybe not.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
There's definitely who do we think was the first one
in the room who organized it and set up all
the emails?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yea waiting area? Who?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah? Who was the last one waiting and ended up
running late? Like oh man time zones. I got all
screwed up on it because that's what a zoom call is.
And then people talking all over each other and what
was accomplished nothing? Well, Josh Jacobs is going home from
I'm going home from Las Vegas because I don't want
to sign a franchise tender. Look which you're allowed to do? Okay,
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I guess toasted the herd on on Friday and I
gave this analogy. Hey, but there's actually a better one.
So do you ever walk up This is a different
analogy than Friday. You'll like this one, Jason, I haven't
run by you. One of the most frustrating things in
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air travel is when you get to a gate and
maybe it's closer than the fifteen minutes, especially when you're
connecting a lot of people have been traveling this summer.
Your flight's delayed. You land in Dallas and you're like
in the A terminal and your next flight is out
of the E terminal, and so you gotta collect all
your stuff. Somebody's got to let you off the plane.
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You finally get off, you sprint to those that escalator
that takes you to the tram. Then you got to
find the right stop on the tram. Then you get
off the tram. Then you run down the escalator. Then
you get to the gate. It's like thirteen minutes for
the flight, and you see the plane still sitting there
and that door is closed, and you're like, can you
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open the door, Like, sir up, We're sorry FA regulations,
we can open that door, like the plane is still there.
Then you see some flight attendant, they scan their cartigi
and they go through and they walk down and they
get on the play goo. They just got on like sir,
We're sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I think that's what NFL running backs thought, is like, hey,
they can open that door. They can fix it, right
like Saquon Barkley, Hey, Saquon Barkley mad after the Monday deadline.
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You read the CBA guidelines. You had all this time,
you had from the day of the season ended until
last Monday at one o'clock West Coast time four o'clock
East coast time. This is not a case of going
up to the gate and that door is closed. This
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is you go to the gate and the plane is gone. Dude,
the plane is Do you still look? The plane is
not there. The once the plane is there is gone.
And now that we can do yes, we all know
that if they really want to, they can go like, oh,
you're already checked in. I can find a way your
bags or whatever. They can do you a solid the
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plane has actually left. This is like the train has
left the station. It's not turning around. The analogy I
use Friday was this is going into your professor after
the grades. I've already come out and going like, hey,
is there something I can do to get my grade up?
They're like this would have been really good back before
we put out our final grades. But I'm just picturing
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the zoom call, like, hey, what can we do? Can
we can we find it? Can we unionize together? Like no,
it's not actually how it works, Like we're members of
the NFLPA. Okay, well, when's this collective party agreement expire
seven years from now? Literally, these guys who are talking
about making a change will not be in the NFL
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when the new collect bardion agreement is negotiated. And oh yeah,
by the way, the strong likeli it is that what
is the leverage point for the rest of the union,
because again this is they actually are super strewed. Let
me explain the way a union works is all of
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the members have to vote, right, and this is what's
always people have always gotten caught up in quarterback contracts,
guaranteed money, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay,
but the truth is what really matters to a union
is what's called the rank and file. Right, the dudes
that you don't know that you don't see there's more
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of them than there are Aaron Rodgers and Kyler Murray
and Lamar Jackson. Right on any team there are five
starting linemen, there are likely to be nine linemen over right,
and there's two to three quarterbacks. There's your ratio. So
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it's not like the Senate where there's two guys voting.
It's true democracy. Everybody's got to vote in a union.
So what's most important is minimum contracts. What's the floor
of the salary cap. Not the ceiling of the salary cap,
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not guaranteed money for superstars who are making more money
than they can ever possibly spend. It's how much guaranteed
money for the rank and file there is. So you
mean to tell me that the union in six years,
when they start renegotiating is sit. They're going to go, Okay,
we've got three running backs guys that are still well compensated. Right,
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they're somewhere between the second and fourth to fifth highest paid,
the starter's highest paid guy on a team. So we're
going to care more about that. Remember all the money
in the salary cap. If a team saves money with
a running back, they can spend it elsewhere. They have
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zero leverage point except for Josh Jacobs to know show.
And here's the downside to no showing one. There's no
reason that they can't discover another running back who's on
the chief That's what happened with the Chiefs last year, right,
Isaiah Pachek was a seventh round pick. He becomes their
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starting running back for the Super Bowl. So Clyde Edwards
Hilaire is like, why would we give you a second
big contract after giving you a big contract for your
first round pick? So you're replaceable? And we all think
it's Actually there's a parallel to everybody's work, right, don't
you mean it's one of those I got a little
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Jay Leno in me where I never want to take
a day off because I don't want Like Monsey came
in here with Dan Byer and they were awesome filling in.
I don't want them to be better than me because
you go like, hey, well we could. We could pay
Monsey and Dan less than paying you. And it's the
same thing in anybody's business. Everybody fears that it's very reasonable.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm not going to let that happen. By the way,
Monty's gonna get the same money as you.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Okay, The point is mantis sitting there pumping her fish.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
She's so funny.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The point is that the whole exercise is so ridiculous. Plus, look,
I get you miss training camp and you're not hurt,
you're all fresh when you come when you get ready
to start week one of the season. The problem with
that is you're much more likely to sustain some sort
of soft tissue injury. You haven't taken hits, and so
it's going to beat you up more. You also can
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piss off your coaches if you don't know everything that's
going on. And oh yeah, by the way, all of
these teams Cowboys, Raiders, Giants, they can sign you as
a franchise tag eat next year if you play this
year and they want you back and you want millions
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more than they will they're willing to offer. And if
they don't offer you a franchise tag, you're a free agent.
And if you didn't have a great season because you
sat out preseason and you came in and you got
hurt or things don't go well, like you're not even
gonna make the ten million that you're set to make
next year. But everyone I know completely understands this. This
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is basic business. Ecut one oh one. The NFL has
evolved out of overpaying for running backs in their second contracts,
where they're more likely to get hurt, they're not as productive.
And oh yeah, by the way, you can find three
dudes to do the one guy's job. Do you want
a great back when it's third and two and you
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got to get a first out? Yeah, of course course,
but at what price? It's just a balance. And again
the name Heymes is the perfect example. Right, So they'll today,
they'll probably go, Okay, we need a running back who's
on a roster. Can those guys fit it? Or do
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we want to bring in Leonard Fournette, Do we want
to bring in Ezekiel Elliott? Do we want to go
get Dalvin Cook? Are we worried about the Dalvin Cook
off the field issues? And do you think for one
second they're going to offer for Dalvin Cook anything more
than you know, four or five million dollars. He doesn't
have a job, he doesn't have leverage. And once they
start camp, you may he may be able to find
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a home, but not in a team that can win
a Super Bowl. Naim Hims will be replaced by the
Buffalo Bills with somebody who makes somewhere in the neighborhood
of the money he makes, which is only like three
million dollars this year, And if the guy plays well,
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he might get another deal, or they might go another
way next year, which of course does a tremendous amount
of damage to Tony Pollard, to Josh Jacobs, to Saquon Barkley.
And we can sit here and go like, hey, look
at Daniel Jones when he has Saquon Barkley. Remember, Daniel
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Jones and Saquon Barkley are both offered contract extensions. The
Giants never dial back their contract extensions, like supposedly twelve
millut a year. He chose not to take it. Now
he's on the franchise tag. But while we can point
out how much better they are when Saquon Barkley runs
for one hundred yards, we could also go and say, hey,
the Carolina Panthers trade away Christian McCaffrey and became better
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running the football. We can go back to the La
Rams winning a Super Bowl with a running One running
back who tours achilles tendon to start the year was
what like a third or fourth pick, and the other
one was on the street and played on two other
teams in the same season. So I in the all
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time boring we've all been on boring, disastrous. Why are
we been talking about this? It's already done, hey, fellas.
It's not the boarding door that's closed. The plane has
left the airport. It is en route or in route?
Do you go route or route? I think it's en route.
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But is there really a difference other than which syllable
you pronounce? And I gotta think that was the boringest,
most redundant. Everybody get on their soapbox and say how
the world's not fair. That ends up with nothing to
come out of it in the history of the NFL,
and we can all relate to those boring ass zoom
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calls which came into existence during COVID.
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Doug gott Lap Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
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us these photos of what you have to hike holding
on to metal chains in order to go up half dome. Okay,
there's a couple of things here. I think I'm most
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bothered by the idea that if somebody falls in front
of me. It becomes like dominoes and we all fall down, right. Yes,
what I can't tell is like these pictures look like
it's almost straight up, but.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It can't definitely is it's close to the forty five degrees?
What's what's straight up.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
For forty five degrees? Would be at a at a
slant ninety degrees. It's as close to ninety as you
can yet it at some some parts, and there's no tethering.
They can't tether. You can't tether to the I would fly.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
In a plane, Doug, Why before I'd ever do something
like that?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You really are scared to fly a plane?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I would fly in a plane before I did this.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
No, but you're really that afraid to fly?
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I know, you know there's a difference scene. Not a
fan of it and I'm afraid of it. Okay, So
like for people follow the show, Ramos has told us
it's been over twenty years since he's been on a
on a plane, right, So don't say you're not a fan, Like, yeah, okay,
Like if I said, hey, John, I got you you
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and Susanne round trip tickets to New York. Go see
the Yankees play front row leaving tonight. Could you get
yourself on that plane?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Okay, so you're scared to fly? Wow, it's okay, Like
it's a it's a legit fear phobia. But don't don't
understand going like, I'm not a fan of it, right,
I'm not a fan.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Of the Giants. Would be better way?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Yeah, okay yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Adam Kaplan joins this Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider, co
host of Inside the Birds podcast. Uh, football season is
upon us right, like camps are starting to get underway.
Did any international travel for you?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Not it? Well, not international, but yes, my my tour
starts this will be let's see, my eighteenth started in
five out west and I am actually going to start
out east with the Giants and Eagles and Steelers, and
I'll be in La, man, I will be in LA
with the Chargers, Rams and Cowboys early next the l A.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
The Cowboys, Rams, and and Cowboys. The Cowboys Rams in
charge are not in LA. That's that's the whole thing
for people, right, I know, like in La. Like, well,
I guess the Chargers are moving there eventually, but it's
Coasta Mesa, Irvine. And then Oxnard, which is all around
la post to la la. But still, let's let's start
with the so here we are back with this running
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back conversation. They had a zoo call.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, what did they.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Gain out of all getting together on a zoom call
and deciding to change their future?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, what it is is, let's take the ladder that
they understand that they don't have leverage here. The only
thing they could create some leverage by not reporting. You know,
the guys who are under the tag. The three running
backs are left under the tag. They can't be fine
because they haven't They haven't signed a contract, so they
could wait to week ten. They know that if they
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decide to forfeit just under six hundred thousand dollars per
week by not showing up during the season, they're season's
over if they're not signed by week ten. So those
guys don't have any real leverage other than to say, okay,
I won't show up, but they lose a lot of money.
Now they can hurt the football team if that's what
they want to do. But they're exchanging ideas. And Austin Eckler,
by the way, is under contract. He was really the
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one who spearheaded this. He got his contracts slightly reworked.
The only thing the Charges did for him was they
gave him incentives, but he's criminally underpaid. He is a
special football player, super high character, but an unbelievable story
as an entrafted free agent. But the Chargers knew they
didn't have to do anything. They made him available for trade. Uh,
couldn't get it done. So he's still there and the
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guys are just exchanging ideas. But I thought Nick Chubb,
but it doesn't only speak a lot by the way
he was on this call, spoke very well about it
because look at and he's he's a power back who's
had a lot of carries. Let's say you have an
unbelievable year, but you get a lot of carries. Well,
the team is going to say, Okay, you did a
great job, but we're worried about your your long term
viability for how long it's gonna last. So, Doug, when
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you sum us up, these guys know that there's really
not much they can do. And the other problem is
the CBA is seven years more. Remember they sign a
ten year extension.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
The players did we be the other The other part
to it, though, and you're right though, is like the Hey,
it's not that the Chargers made it so you could
trade him. Nobody wanted him at the contract demands that
he wants.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right, They didn't want to. They didn't real redo his deal.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And by the way, that deal and again you're talking
about one of the top three or four backs in
the league, incredible versatility. You're talking about twelve to fourteen
million a season at a minimum, and he wasn't gonna
get that. The guarantees have to be structured that you
got to guarantee years of salary, and that's been part
of the if you look at the three backs, that's
been the problem, Doug is a club might be willing
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to meet one demand, but they're not going to meet
the other. That's the other problem here. And since Christian McCaffrey,
Doug one more thing before we move on, got his
historic deal three years ago sixteen and just over sixteen
million per season, and then Chubb and Derek Henry got
either twelve or twelve and a half million, the deals
have gone down. Miles Sanders got the best for agent
deal six point twenty five million. Doug, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, but I mean, i'd like, that's the market.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's terrible. It's a terrible market. I mean, I feel
for these guys. The one is necklerk. He's getting robbed.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't know, is he Well?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean, first of all, by production, are you kidding me?
By production? He's one of the best backs in the league.
But the league doesn't look at it that way. They
look at it. Okay, you're running back. You're not our quarterback,
you're not our pass rusher, you're not our top receiver.
The running back by cap dollars, and by the way
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teams look at it's fifth or sixth in terms of
how they want to pay the pay any position on
a team. And unfortunately, production doesn't seem to mean much anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, but so here's the here's the reality to it. Okay,
so he's an undrafted free agent. He plays his first
couple of years right and making nothing. So they sign
him to a contract extension, right, a four year contract extension.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
For worth twenty four million, and he's I don't play that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Okay, but that's not the way contracts work. They don't
go like, oh, hey, guess what, you're better because at
the time in which he signed the four year extension,
he was making minimum and so they give him, you know,
a bunch of money upfront. Would they give him was
like a nine million basically upfront.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Six million signing bonus. I mean, they fully guaranteed his
second year salary. But yeah, it wasn't it was a
fair market deal.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That was the deal where if he wanted to try
and grind him, he probably could have. And then well,
he's played, but he's played really, really well. And at
the end of the contract. At the end of this
kind like, if you don't like the content, you shouldn't
have signed the contract you made.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let's go back to you riginal point. This is the best.
This is the most selling point you made at the
point that he signed it. Let's not forget he was
coming off his three year undirected free agent deal. So
they signed him to an extension, a four year extension
which ends at the end of this season. He put
up historic numbers touchdowns, he said, all sorts of of
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I don't want to say records because LT is the
best obviously, but he did some things that no backs
have done in years. But the Chargers felt like, look,
this is he's not a power back who could handle
twenty five carries per game. Twenty carries per game. He's
in a twelve or thirteen carriages per game market. That
doesn't equate to them to twelve or thirteen or fourteen
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million a year. And I get that, But unfortunately he's
got to live with this and he's making six two
five with six point twenty five million with some incentives.
But he's just not he's not on the open market.
That's the other part. Had he been in the open market,
he certainly would have got more than Miles Sanders would
have got any I think he actually got more in
ten million seasons.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That I agree with. I don't know if he would
have got more than Demain.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh yeah, because of his versatility and by the way,
Miles Sanders had a pretty big injury history.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, except what if he had he been able to
get closer to the number that he wanted, he would
have been traded.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's like that. But he said it earlier. Nobody wanted
to redo his deal and pay him. That's just unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, so you're but you're telling me on one hand
that if he was on the open market, he'd get
more than ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
If yes, if you didn't have to give up anything
for him, that's the oir thing. No one's going to
give up a premium pick for running back. You got
to redo their deal twenty eight years old. Now, if
he's on the free agent market where you don't have
to give up anything, this is this is Scott.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean, I mean, like, look, Dalvin, Dalvin Cookie. I
know he's had injury history as a fielding, okay, but
he's on the market. There's other plenty other dudes that
are on the market.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Coming off shoulder surgery, Doug. It's a pretty by the way,
the same age of twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I just think I don't think any of these guys
are going to be making Hey, Saquon Barkley, you know,
Seguon Barkley was offered twelve million dollars a year in
extension and chose to turn it down.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Like see the guarantees in the second year. That's the problem.
By the way, it was a little bit more than that,
But the guarantees in the second year, we're a problem
the clubs. It's really interesting. I've not seen this twenty
over twenty years cover this business. I've not seen a
position so devalued. It's really it's sad, but it's it's true.
And that's kind of way we're going here.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Okay, let's uh, let's get to the rest of the
National Football League. Okay, well, actually this this is the
running back thing Heim's get. It's hurt on a jet
ski where somebody else runs their jet ski into his leg.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
What do the Bills do to replace him?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, first of all, he had been demoted. Remember they
made the trade because they had some issues at running
back for Hines. They made the trade with the Colts
last season. It didn't work. He barely played in factor,
he was basically benched, so they said, hey, if you
want to come back, we're going to have to cut
your pay. He took the reduction. He was going to
be a deep backup for them. James Cook, Dalvin's brothers
(27:31):
their starter. They signed Damien Harris, a former Patriots back,
to be the second back. And what surprised me is
they actually signed Latavious Murray formally've done. In fact, I
talked to Latavio's at the Super Bowl. He said he
definitely wanted to play. Whatever they do, they'll throw at
one back, but it's it's not going to be major.
There's no reason to make a major move because they
love James Cook, Dalvin's brother, and Damien Harris and the
(27:53):
Tavis Smurry. Now, the one thing I would tell you
is if this Dalvin Cook thing goes into August to
mid August, that's when all bets are off, where anything
could happen. A team could come out of nowhere and
do something.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and I think that's what he's waiting on, right,
He's gonna he's now, he's got to wait, and he's
got to wait until there's that level of opportunity that
that he so desires. Okay, what you're going to giants camp?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
What are appropriate expectations for Daniel Jones now that he
has the new contract?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well? They Here's the thing. I felt this all on
Brian day Ball, the head coach who really developed and
did a great job with with Josh Allen and Mike
kaf Goes probably gonna be head coach kaf Ga interviewed
for the Cardinals head coaching job. They've done a phenomenal
job of developing him. They're not asking him to win
it alone. They did add Darren Waller, though, I had
reported last week for my friends at Pro Football Network
(28:54):
that basically the Raiders just got They came to the
realization that he Weller couldn't stay healthy, but they got
good value an late third round pick for a guy
who turned thirty one this fall. But the Giants really
feel he's an X factor. He's a super athletic tight end.
They signed Paris Campbell, formerly of the Colts, who stayed
(29:15):
relatively healthy last season for the first time, so they
feel like they've surrounded with better talent. They're feeling better
about their offensive line. The coach very well at that position,
so they feel like Doug they don't have to ask
him to do a ton and they'll just keep grinding
this thing. But the thing is, though, now, if Barkley
actually doesn't show up early, it's Matt Breed. It's really
(29:35):
a third down back in Eric Gray, who they like
is more of a power back from Oklahoma. But it's
not good enough, and they know they're going to have
to do something. If you know, they did bring in
James Robinson, who's now with his fourth team in a
year and a half. That's not good and he's had
pretty significant injury problems. They're going to have to take
a look at this, and they'll do that during training camp.
But my senses from talking to people closer situation, they've
(29:58):
got a plan and they I want to take a
look at Eric Ray. They said, if Gary Brightwell, who's
a sixth runner or two years ago. But they do
want to take a look at James Robinson, who was
an incredible story from the Jaguars. Remember the Jaguars cut
they cut Leonard fourdat. He came out of nowhere from
Illinois State and he was phenomenal that rookie season, but
the torn achilles kind of curtailed his career. So they're
(30:20):
going to take a look at that. But they're not
their whole field to move the forward here. Their thing
is they don't ask him to do a lot. They're
not they're not a high percentage PASST team. But if
they don't have Barkley for the beginning of the season,
that is a major issue.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
No question, a gigantic issue. Last thing, and I know
you won't get you. Are you going to San Francisco's
camp right now?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I don't have it in the budget, but this will.
I've been going there since gosh, two thousand and five,
So I'm hoping to I'm hoping to get back there.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I'm asking, because who do you think is they're starting
quarterback week one?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Talking to them, I mean they felt all along Brock
party will be ready. They made decision they were going
to stick with him matter what happened, and Trey Lance
and Sam Donald will fill until Party's ready. The hope
is he will start practicing Purty mid to late August.
They're they're not there yet. He took the less invasive
elbow surgery, didn't have the full Tommy John and they'll
just see how he progresses. But they're pretty happy with
(31:16):
what he's doing here and the rehab work. But I'll
tell you what though, and I know they're not saying this,
but let's not forget what they gave up for Trey Lance.
What if he's lights out here? What if he's so great?
And then you're going to go to Brock Purty. Who's
who's the last pick over all last year?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I don't think, dude.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm just telling you. I'm talking to them, talking to them.
I'm just telling you the leadership now it's Kyle Shanhanny.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Is if they if they thought he was that good? Sam? Uh, Sam,
Donald would be on the street.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well yeah, but you mean talking about Lancer Party.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
If they thought Lance was that good?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Look look they know I know.
But what I'm saying is, and I've learned my lesson
with this thing because Party was fourth string to start
training camp last year and a whole lot of things
had to happen. You don't know. You never know un
till you get there and coaching. That's what they'll tell you.
If Lance is incredible. I'm gonna be interested to see
what they say about Party. I know privately talking to them,
they're like, so gog over parties leadership and how he
(32:16):
took over. That's all great, but the guy's never started
her full season the National Footballague. That's the fact.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
He's the one and only. Adam Kaplan said to hit
the road for his for his annual training camp tour,
and we will catch up with him on the road.
Also check out his Inside the Birds podcast. Kat thanks
so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Thank you.
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be Welcome in jay stews here, John Ramas is here,
Montcy Belanos here with the updates. One year ago today,
(33:15):
I was in Tel Aviv, Israel, and as some people know,
I was coaching something called the Macabia Games, the US
Men's Open Team. What's that mean? So the games are
it's like the Jewish Olympics in Israel. It's every four years,
although that one there was a five year span between
(33:37):
the two, and the reason was COVID obviously moved everything
back a year. Now there's three years in between these
two to kind of get it back on on schedule.
So in two more summers there'll be another games, and
they have they have a sixteen U team and at
and U team, and then they have the open team.
The open team can be any age guy. I had
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one player who was twenty six years old, played a
little for the Globetrotters, mostly college kids. One was a
player transitioning towards college. So the competition is kind of
mixed in terms of levels. But I would tell you
that the France was all It was the second best
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team the last two times I coached. Both times they
won the silver medal, and they have professional level players.
They're very well organized. And actually they have a rule
and I don't know if they use it. I think
they do where they don't have to. They have two
players that don't have to be Jewish, whereas all of
our players have to be Jewish. That's the rules. So
(34:48):
it's a long it's like a month long process. Right
when we started, we had a couple of days of
practice at Keene University in New Jersey, which is, by
the way, an incredible campus. It's a D three program
in Jersey. It's really cool. It's probably about fifteen minutes
from Newark. So we practiced there for a couple of days.
(35:10):
You fly to Israel. We did, you know, three two days.
Then we competed against the under twenty national team, which
the under twenty national team, same team just they just
won the silver medal or they just got second in
the European Championships at their level. So we actually beat
them last time around, and then the U nineteen team,
(35:33):
which now has some of the players advanced, was actually
in the tournament that we played in. And like, Israel's
a fun country, lots of things to do, lots of
places to go out, weather's good, people are pretty good looking,
you know, like in Tel Aviv was a party town.
(35:54):
So my rule to the guys was, hey, listen, there
are some days we have off and I'm not telling
you can't take off and you can't go out, but
like the drinking and really going hard, like let's just
win and then party like rock stars. So can I
(36:15):
tell you what the rockstar party was like Chase two?
Would you like to know?
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I'd love to know. I need all the aspects of
a rockstar party.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, so these are all and the guys what will
send this to all of them and they can attest
to to it. So we we uh, I don't think
we commentered. I think we rented a bus, right, so
the bus was going to take us. We played the
championship game at Malga, which is the old arena for
(36:43):
Hopwell Jerusalem. Their new arena is like a it's not
an NBA caliber arena. It's like a really nice college
arena with boxes and everything, but you don't use that
or they have it's the only place they can play
ice hockey in the entire country, so you don't use
that for basketball shit. So we played it their old
old arena and we win, and there's a celebration. And
(37:05):
what was cool about it was my daughter who was
competing in the equestrian event out in Tiberius. You're thinking
of biblical references with Tiberius, right, which is in the
northern part of the country. She was, her competition was done,
so her and her friends they're at the game and
she got to be on the court and she had
won a silver medal. And we win the gold medal
and it's on national TV and you could have picked
(37:28):
it up as well. So we win, we celebrate, we
take pictures, and then everybody's like, now we go and
club it. So we have the bus. The women's team
also came with us on the bus as they won,
and you know, now now the bus is full. And
the way I did it was I assigned. I had
(37:50):
one assistant coach, Skyeton, who just he went. He was
at Princeton last year. Now he just took a job
at U see Santa Barbara. Not a hard sale, right,
do you want to live in Santa Barbara? Yes? So anyway,
Sky was in charge of about four players, and then
our head trainer, Summer Rumstead, she's in charge of about
(38:10):
four five players, and everyone was in charge of looking
after my daughter. Like, hey, dude, she can come with
us to the club, sixteen years old at the time,
but if she can dance on the dance, there's no
dudes coming up and dance with her, like she dance
with the girls, and that's it. So everybody's a sign there.
We all had the breakdown. You make sure you know
(38:31):
where your player is, so it limits how much we
can drink because we got to keep our eyes in
the prize. The rule is everybody's got to get home safely.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
You only have a bad trip if something goes wrong
there or if you lose a game. Well, we didn't
lose a game, so we didn't want it then to go.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
So we go.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
We roll into a club in Tel Aviv where he
previously called a head and we had to lay down
what it amounted to, I believe seven grand for like
it wasn't like unlimited bottle service, but it's like bottle
service spot of the club, security everything. So we come
(39:14):
in and there's this huge mass of people outside of
it trying to get into this club. And my daughter's sixteen.
I think you were supposed to be eighteen. Not really
sure if there was really an age limit or they
were just checking IDs, but we did the old one
woman shoulder ID. Then everybody was talking past it back
and my daughter had the ID right so she didn't
have a fake ID. We go in and immediately we
(39:39):
have to get shots and Don Perignon for all the guys.
So shots Don Perignon, and then the dance floor were
like on this little VIP area and you can look
down at the dance floor and generally good time was
had by all. And then we had like a I
think it was four o'clock or maybe five o'clock was
(40:02):
our heart out, like we're out of here. So my
daughter got to hang with us for a little bit.
And then she had like an older kind of chaperone.
It was like twenty two. Put them in the it's
not uber, it's called a get taxi there. Put them
in the get. She got back to her hotel, texted
me I'm good. And then we moved on. So at
(40:23):
four o'clock we decide, all right, we got to leave
the club. We had to walk down the street to
the bus. We're staying in Jerusalem, which is an hour
away or fifteen minutes away or whatever. Four am in Jerusalem,
now four am in Tel Aviv. What do you think's
open to get some deep No, not Taco Bell. Closest
(40:43):
thing McDonald's. Go and get some McDonald's. We all get
on the bus with our McDonald's and we realize we're
missing le Or. Lee Or is Leor Berman. He plays
for Auburn and he had a great tournament. Nobody can
find Leor, and we had been monitoring him, had had
(41:04):
a little bit to drink. He's of age then, and
you didn't have to be of age there, but he'd
a had maybe a lot to drink there. And suddenly Leo,
where's Leor? And in Hebrew you say, f oh Leor?
Where is Leor? So we get like ten dudes on
those you know, the rental scooters, the electric scooters you
can get, and they're all around this little area in
(41:27):
Tel Aviv yelling for Leor. Guys got they got McDonald's
in one hand the scooter going around looking for leor Or,
like forty five minutes we're looking for this dude.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
We're on a group WhatsApp message nothing no Leor. So
we at some point I go like one of the
assistant coach had to stay behind look for Leor everybody else.
I got to get everybody else back to the hotel.
So everybody else's probably like thirty five in our traveling party.
We get on the bus, we go back to the
hotel and there's pictures. It's there's kind of hangover type
(42:02):
pictures where people have stamps on their forehead and you know,
some of the dudes made out with a woman. There's
one girl that made out with Several of the guys
are good generally, good time, nothing like debauchery whenever. Good
time was had by all. But we don't know where
hell Leoor is. Well, when we had landed the first
(42:22):
week we're there, we're in one hotel. Then we moved
to Jerusalem to a different hotel. So Leor because he'd
probably had a little bit to drink, and he got
in a taxi and went to our old hotel and
was like knocking on the door and didn't know why
no one would open his old hotel door, but we
(42:43):
were in a different hotel. Anyway, We roll into Jerusalem
and at about six am, as the sun is coming
up over the hills of Jerusalem, we got the I'm alive,
I'm fine text. All the pressure off and that was
our That was our rockstar party night.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
One of the guys ended up going up to the
DJ booth and became the DJ. A lot of nineties
and early two thousands hip hop was being played. There
was these glowing the bark bottles of Don Perrignon. I
got a picture of it. Pretty cool anyway, and it's
honestly probably the only night in my life I can
ever say that I was clubbing. But I was clubbing.
(43:24):
That's my night.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
What do you think, Jay, I think losing a human
being is a great part of a party store.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
And wasn't It was a lot like it were like,
where the hell is Lee? I'm like, I'm thinking all
the worst things and then the worst part is the
best part of the worst part. So his parents were
on the trip, but his parents came and he was
staying in Israel because Auburn was coming out to play,
so he was actually going to stay with like his
grandpa who lived there. And they're like, and I'm just
thinking to myself, like how do I explain to the
(43:53):
grandpa the next day when he comes to the hotel
to get his grandson, like where's Lee? Or like I
don't know? No, So I had about I had about
two hours of pure panic not knowing where this kid was.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
Do you think the writers of The Hangover are thinking
of part four?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Now?
Speaker 5 (44:08):
That could be a part four? Right?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Oh yeah, this was definitely a This is a good one, right,
this is a good one. It was a good one.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
What do you think the French team was doing, the
second place team where they also party?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, they French.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
They handle it way different than we had. They didn't
wait until the tournament was over, right, Like I'm sure
the night before, the day before they prepped. But those guys,
they're all they were grown men. Like we had college kids.
They had professional at like six like pro A level
professional basketball players. So and they did a good job.
But yeah, they last time we won when they partied
(44:43):
like rock stars, I flew home because the story, I
flew home and did cowherd right off the plane like
literally landed at like five am, did cow herd at
nine am at on the Fox loot the real thing,
whereas this one I stayed in partly like rock stars.
But last time they saw that, all the teams out.
(45:06):
You know, they're grown man. They go out, they have
a good time. But that was one year ago. I
gotta travel some more, Chase, are you traveling with the summer?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Uh No, I'm the most I'm traveling. I think this
summer is I've booked a birthday trip for Christina. It's
in a month, and we're gonna drive up to this
is great, go ahead, drive up to you Smite. So
that's not necessarily a trip I'm traveling to, but I'm
driving to Smite. And for her birthday, we're gonna climb.
(45:41):
We're gonna peak half Dome and at the top of
Half Dome. This is why we're gonna do it. I
need to survive it first of all, and then I
need to get up it, and then we're gonna take
a picture, and then we're gonna say hashtag this is
fifty and then everything will be worth it. So we're
gonna have a tour guide take us up there. I
need to get in shape. I need to drop like
(46:02):
twenty pounds the next four weeks.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You can start taking ozempic.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah. See that's the thing. I need to lose weight,
but I can't get weak. So the first time that
goes is well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I just need to do something that all the Hollywood
people are taking. Yes, go ahead, Monty, Yes, yeah, so
you're getting weaker. I don't think it's about you need
to eat less.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
You need to eat better, absolutely, yes, eating the right things.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
What's your what's your biggest like? What's what's what gets you?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Why?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Who couldn't have pizza every single day? And when you
have little when you have little kids, like they literally
have pizza every single day. Yeah, it doesn't work that way, Ramos.
What's what's the one thing you can't say no to?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Sweets, which is probably bad?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
What kind of sweets?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Chocolate?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Chocolate, milk white? Dark?
Speaker 5 (47:13):
Uh regular milk chocolate?
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Uh? Jay Stu. What's your what's your weakness?
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah? Chalcol what's mine too?
Speaker 4 (47:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (47:21):
My like my daughter Harper, she that's one who was
with me and Israel. So we switched cars a bunch
last week and like I get my car and I
got like cookies in there and sweets in there. It's like,
my god, what are you doing to me? Anyway, my weakness.
I have a lot of weaknesses and eat. I eat
generally pretty well.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Obviously if you're around pizza like you guys got if
you go to blaze pizza, like, what are you gonna do? Like,
how am I gonna how many I say no to that?
There's no way?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
But for the most part, I'm pretty good. And sugar,
especially in coffee, like I put I try limited sugar
and coffee. Those are my two. But if somebody has
sour belts, I can't stop. I can't stop. I have zero,
I cannot stop. I can't can't stop. All right, So
Jay Stu, that's where we all need to team up
(48:09):
and limit what Jays do is eating and make sure
that he's drinking lots of water please do so that
they can do fifty at fifty at half Dome.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I want to survive to come back on Monday to
tell you the story. The most challenging part of the
half Dome peak is you have to climb these these
chains pretty much vertically the entire way and it's all
upper body strength, and people have let go of those chains.
There has been deaths on this thing, so that's the
(48:38):
one part that's after you've fiked eight miles.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
You climb the change, but you don't have any anything.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
No, there's nothing like that. That's nice.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I don't believe that. Why would you? I don't really
to say I did it. Yeah, but he also he
does bungee jumping and stuff. Yeah, it clearly wants to
die geez. But he wants to die in some spectacular fashion,
like he wants he wants the death story to be
a really good one. Right, nobody wants cool. Nobody wants
to like the flesh eating fresh heating bacteria. That doesn't
(49:07):
sound like that sounds really painful. But it's like, oh,
do you hear how he died? No, he was hiking
half dome for his girlfriend on her fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
She doesn't she doesn't know about this, right, and he
got what she's done it? Yeah, Oh, she's already done it.
Told something else.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
No, he was like, like, oh, do you guys see
that bungee jumping deal where the guy wasn't like latched
in and he went and flew out I was Jason Stewart.
You mean Jay Stud from the You mean Jay Stud
from the Rome Show. Yeah, that's how he went, like,
h that's a memorable way to go.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I think that's part of what's behind this thing, Like
he doesn't really want to die, but if he dies,
at least it's in spectacular fashion fair Jay
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social media pages so it doesn't say seventy six ers,
cause it's like that. What's it called? What's the neuralizer?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And for remember men in Black? I think it's neuralizer
Men in Black. Don't you wish that was a real
thing where you could press it and it just like
wipes everybody's memory, No PTSD, you got that thing right,
wiped your memory, because that's essentially what James Harden thinks
he's doing. Are you remember the Philadelphia seventy six ers prestonalizer? Like,
(01:17):
I don't know what team I played for. We'll get
to that upcoming. We also have we have a Steph
Curry list, which causes Lebron fans to freak out. But
let's dig in here. Okay, So two coinciding stories. First,
(01:40):
the breaking news, which is you heard from Monci Belanya's
Naim Heines. I remember the Bills traded for him last
year on the trade deadline to I would say invigorate
because it wasn't a good running game that they need
to reinvigorate. Nobody ever invigorates, They only reinvig you guys
notice that. But they had to invigorate their run game
(02:04):
more than just Josh Allen. So they bring in Nim Heimes,
who was under contract for really this year like a
one million guarantee and the next year if they kept him,
would be about five and a half million dollars. And
well he was jet skiing this weekend, which just got
to point out, I don't know anybody who doesn't enjoy
a good jet ski. I think there's a Daniel Tosh
(02:28):
has a bit so again I'm quoting Daniel Tosh here.
I didn't. I'm not smart enough for funny enough to
come up with it. And I believe Jay Stu sent
it to me like last week, and I saw it
on social media as well, which is Tosh has his
great line money can't buy you. They say money can't
buy you happiness, but money can buy you a jet ski.
And have you ever seen anybody not smiling on a
(02:49):
jet ski? It's a great point. I think our answer is, yes,
I found somebody, Naim Hemes who The story they want
us to believe, and maybe it's true is he was
seated on a jets which, by the way, isn't that
a seed?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Do?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Technically is in the jet skis, the one the old
school ones you stand up on like I do. Feel
like seeds have become jet skis and the old school
stand up jet skis are no more. But that's like
what the pros use, right, The pros use those stand
up ones with like the levering. We may be getting
way too much in the weeds, but most people know
what I'm talking about and I am insanely jealous of
(03:26):
people who own their own jet skis. It's probably a
total money loser. But the idea that you can go
like do you want to go jet ski? Yes, we
can go right now. Instead of being this guy who
you got to have friends with jet skis, and those friends,
no matter how bad a friend they are to you,
you keep them in your friend rolodex because they do
have jet skis, in a boat and a cool place
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to hang out. Right, don't act like you're not that guy.
Don't act like it for a second anyway, niam Heims.
We're told, seating on a jet ski, somebody else runs
into his knee with their jet skis, trashing his knee.
He's out for the year. Okay, So I want you
to take that story and just place it aside, right,
(04:08):
So like if you're making a big meal, right, you
cut up all the different stuff right, Okay, Now you're
gonna get to the main course. Over the weekend, there
was a zoom call with a bunch of these running backs,
most notably Josh Jacobs of the Raiders, Saquon Barkley of
the Giants, and who's a Tony? What's the Tony Pollard
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of the Cowboys, amongst others. Now, when I hear group
a media emergency zoom call, I'm brought back to the
time of COVID, right, zoom call. The term zoom call
didn't exist, the company existed, but the term nobody said
zoom call before COVID, and you guys remember that. And
before I could even get to what was accomplished or
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not accomplished, I'm just picturing somebody was muted who didn't
want to be muted. Somebody's video was off, probably for
good reason, but maybe not.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
There's definitely who do we think was the first one
in the room who organized it and set up all
the emails?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yea waiting area? Who?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah? Who was the last one waiting and ended up
running late? Like oh man time zones. I got all
screwed up on it because that's what a zoom call is.
And then people talking all over each other and what
was accomplished nothing? Well, Josh Jacobs is going home from
I'm going home from Las Vegas because I don't want
to sign a franchise tender. Look which you're allowed to do? Okay,
(05:50):
I guess toasted the herd on on Friday and I
gave this analogy. Hey, but there's actually a better one.
So do you ever walk up This is a different
analogy than Friday. You'll like this one, Jason, I haven't
run by you. One of the most frustrating things in
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air travel is when you get to a gate and
maybe it's closer than the fifteen minutes, especially when you're
connecting a lot of people have been traveling this summer.
Your flight's delayed. You land in Dallas and you're like
in the A terminal and your next flight is out
of the E terminal, and so you gotta collect all
your stuff. Somebody's got to let you off the plane.
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You finally get off, you sprint to those that escalator
that takes you to the tram. Then you got to
find the right stop on the tram. Then you get
off the tram. Then you run down the escalator. Then
you get to the gate. It's like thirteen minutes for
the flight, and you see the plane still sitting there
and that door is closed, and you're like, can you
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open the door, Like, sir up, We're sorry FA regulations,
we can open that door, like the plane is still there.
Then you see some flight attendant, they scan their cartigi
and they go through and they walk down and they
get on the play goo. They just got on like sir,
We're sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I think that's what NFL running backs thought, is like, hey,
they can open that door. They can fix it, right
like Saquon Barkley, Hey, Saquon Barkley mad after the Monday deadline.
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You read the CBA guidelines. You had all this time,
you had from the day of the season ended until
last Monday at one o'clock West Coast time four o'clock
East coast time. This is not a case of going
up to the gate and that door is closed. This
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is you go to the gate and the plane is gone. Dude,
the plane is Do you still look? The plane is
not there. The once the plane is there is gone.
And now that we can do yes, we all know
that if they really want to, they can go like, oh,
you're already checked in. I can find a way your
bags or whatever. They can do you a solid the
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plane has actually left. This is like the train has
left the station. It's not turning around. The analogy I
use Friday was this is going into your professor after
the grades. I've already come out and going like, hey,
is there something I can do to get my grade up?
They're like this would have been really good back before
we put out our final grades. But I'm just picturing
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the zoom call, like, hey, what can we do? Can
we can we find it? Can we unionize together? Like no,
it's not actually how it works, Like we're members of
the NFLPA. Okay, well, when's this collective party agreement expire
seven years from now? Literally, these guys who are talking
about making a change will not be in the NFL
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when the new collect bardion agreement is negotiated. And oh yeah,
by the way, the strong likeli it is that what
is the leverage point for the rest of the union,
because again this is they actually are super strewed. Let
me explain the way a union works is all of
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the members have to vote, right, and this is what's
always people have always gotten caught up in quarterback contracts,
guaranteed money, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay,
but the truth is what really matters to a union
is what's called the rank and file. Right, the dudes
that you don't know that you don't see there's more
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of them than there are Aaron Rodgers and Kyler Murray
and Lamar Jackson. Right on any team there are five
starting linemen, there are likely to be nine linemen over right,
and there's two to three quarterbacks. There's your ratio. So
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it's not like the Senate where there's two guys voting.
It's true democracy. Everybody's got to vote in a union.
So what's most important is minimum contracts. What's the floor
of the salary cap. Not the ceiling of the salary cap,
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not guaranteed money for superstars who are making more money
than they can ever possibly spend. It's how much guaranteed
money for the rank and file there is. So you
mean to tell me that the union in six years,
when they start renegotiating is sit. They're going to go, Okay,
we've got three running backs guys that are still well compensated. Right,
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they're somewhere between the second and fourth to fifth highest paid,
the starter's highest paid guy on a team. So we're
going to care more about that. Remember all the money
in the salary cap. If a team saves money with
a running back, they can spend it elsewhere. They have
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zero leverage point except for Josh Jacobs to know show.
And here's the downside to no showing one. There's no
reason that they can't discover another running back who's on
the chief That's what happened with the Chiefs last year, right,
Isaiah Pachek was a seventh round pick. He becomes their
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starting running back for the Super Bowl. So Clyde Edwards
Hilaire is like, why would we give you a second
big contract after giving you a big contract for your
first round pick? So you're replaceable? And we all think
it's Actually there's a parallel to everybody's work, right, don't
you mean it's one of those I got a little
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Jay Leno in me where I never want to take
a day off because I don't want Like Monsey came
in here with Dan Byer and they were awesome filling in.
I don't want them to be better than me because
you go like, hey, well we could. We could pay
Monsey and Dan less than paying you. And it's the
same thing in anybody's business. Everybody fears that it's very reasonable.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm not going to let that happen. By the way,
Monty's gonna get the same money as you.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Okay, The point is mantis sitting there pumping her fish.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
She's so funny.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The point is that the whole exercise is so ridiculous. Plus, look,
I get you miss training camp and you're not hurt,
you're all fresh when you come when you get ready
to start week one of the season. The problem with
that is you're much more likely to sustain some sort
of soft tissue injury. You haven't taken hits, and so
it's going to beat you up more. You also can
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piss off your coaches if you don't know everything that's
going on. And oh yeah, by the way, all of
these teams Cowboys, Raiders, Giants, they can sign you as
a franchise tag eat next year if you play this
year and they want you back and you want millions
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more than they will they're willing to offer. And if
they don't offer you a franchise tag, you're a free agent.
And if you didn't have a great season because you
sat out preseason and you came in and you got
hurt or things don't go well, like you're not even
gonna make the ten million that you're set to make
next year. But everyone I know completely understands this. This
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is basic business. Ecut one oh one. The NFL has
evolved out of overpaying for running backs in their second contracts,
where they're more likely to get hurt, they're not as productive.
And oh yeah, by the way, you can find three
dudes to do the one guy's job. Do you want
a great back when it's third and two and you
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got to get a first out? Yeah, of course course,
but at what price? It's just a balance. And again
the name Heymes is the perfect example. Right, So they'll today,
they'll probably go, Okay, we need a running back who's
on a roster. Can those guys fit it? Or do
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we want to bring in Leonard Fournette, Do we want
to bring in Ezekiel Elliott? Do we want to go
get Dalvin Cook? Are we worried about the Dalvin Cook
off the field issues? And do you think for one
second they're going to offer for Dalvin Cook anything more
than you know, four or five million dollars. He doesn't
have a job, he doesn't have leverage. And once they
start camp, you may he may be able to find
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a home, but not in a team that can win
a Super Bowl. Naim Hims will be replaced by the
Buffalo Bills with somebody who makes somewhere in the neighborhood
of the money he makes, which is only like three
million dollars this year, And if the guy plays well,
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he might get another deal, or they might go another
way next year, which of course does a tremendous amount
of damage to Tony Pollard, to Josh Jacobs, to Saquon Barkley.
And we can sit here and go like, hey, look
at Daniel Jones when he has Saquon Barkley. Remember, Daniel
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Jones and Saquon Barkley are both offered contract extensions. The
Giants never dial back their contract extensions, like supposedly twelve
millut a year. He chose not to take it. Now
he's on the franchise tag. But while we can point
out how much better they are when Saquon Barkley runs
for one hundred yards, we could also go and say, hey,
the Carolina Panthers trade away Christian McCaffrey and became better
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running the football. We can go back to the La
Rams winning a Super Bowl with a running One running
back who tours achilles tendon to start the year was
what like a third or fourth pick, and the other
one was on the street and played on two other
teams in the same season. So I in the all
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time boring we've all been on boring, disastrous. Why are
we been talking about this? It's already done, hey, fellas.
It's not the boarding door that's closed. The plane has
left the airport. It is en route or in route?
Do you go route or route? I think it's en route.
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But is there really a difference other than which syllable
you pronounce? And I gotta think that was the boringest,
most redundant. Everybody get on their soapbox and say how
the world's not fair. That ends up with nothing to
come out of it in the history of the NFL,
and we can all relate to those boring ass zoom
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calls which came into existence during COVID.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
This is the bast of the Done dot Leaf show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Doug gott Lap Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
from the tyreg dot com studios. So, Jay Stu send
us these photos of what you have to hike holding
on to metal chains in order to go up half dome. Okay,
there's a couple of things here. I think I'm most
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bothered by the idea that if somebody falls in front
of me. It becomes like dominoes and we all fall down, right. Yes,
what I can't tell is like these pictures look like
it's almost straight up, but.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It can't definitely is it's close to the forty five degrees?
What's what's straight up.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
For forty five degrees? Would be at a at a
slant ninety degrees. It's as close to ninety as you
can yet it at some some parts, and there's no tethering.
They can't tether. You can't tether to the I would fly.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
In a plane, Doug, Why before I'd ever do something
like that?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You really are scared to fly a plane?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I would fly in a plane before I did this.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
No, but you're really that afraid to fly?
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I know, you know there's a difference scene. Not a
fan of it and I'm afraid of it. Okay, So
like for people follow the show, Ramos has told us
it's been over twenty years since he's been on a
on a plane, right, So don't say you're not a fan, Like, yeah, okay,
Like if I said, hey, John, I got you you
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and Susanne round trip tickets to New York. Go see
the Yankees play front row leaving tonight. Could you get
yourself on that plane?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Okay, so you're scared to fly? Wow, it's okay, Like
it's a it's a legit fear phobia. But don't don't
understand going like, I'm not a fan of it, right,
I'm not a fan.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Of the Giants. Would be better way?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Yeah, okay yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Adam Kaplan joins this Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider, co
host of Inside the Birds podcast. Uh, football season is
upon us right, like camps are starting to get underway.
Did any international travel for you?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Not it? Well, not international, but yes, my my tour
starts this will be let's see, my eighteenth started in
five out west and I am actually going to start
out east with the Giants and Eagles and Steelers, and
I'll be in La, man, I will be in LA
with the Chargers, Rams and Cowboys early next the l A.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
The Cowboys, Rams, and and Cowboys. The Cowboys Rams in
charge are not in LA. That's that's the whole thing
for people, right, I know, like in La. Like, well,
I guess the Chargers are moving there eventually, but it's
Coasta Mesa, Irvine. And then Oxnard, which is all around
la post to la la. But still, let's let's start
with the so here we are back with this running
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back conversation. They had a zoo call.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, what did they.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Gain out of all getting together on a zoom call
and deciding to change their future?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, what it is is, let's take the ladder that
they understand that they don't have leverage here. The only
thing they could create some leverage by not reporting. You know,
the guys who are under the tag. The three running
backs are left under the tag. They can't be fine
because they haven't They haven't signed a contract, so they
could wait to week ten. They know that if they
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decide to forfeit just under six hundred thousand dollars per
week by not showing up during the season, they're season's
over if they're not signed by week ten. So those
guys don't have any real leverage other than to say, okay,
I won't show up, but they lose a lot of money.
Now they can hurt the football team if that's what
they want to do. But they're exchanging ideas. And Austin Eckler,
by the way, is under contract. He was really the
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one who spearheaded this. He got his contracts slightly reworked.
The only thing the Charges did for him was they
gave him incentives, but he's criminally underpaid. He is a
special football player, super high character, but an unbelievable story
as an entrafted free agent. But the Chargers knew they
didn't have to do anything. They made him available for trade. Uh,
couldn't get it done. So he's still there and the
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guys are just exchanging ideas. But I thought Nick Chubb,
but it doesn't only speak a lot by the way
he was on this call, spoke very well about it
because look at and he's he's a power back who's
had a lot of carries. Let's say you have an
unbelievable year, but you get a lot of carries. Well,
the team is going to say, Okay, you did a
great job, but we're worried about your your long term
viability for how long it's gonna last. So, Doug, when
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you sum us up, these guys know that there's really
not much they can do. And the other problem is
the CBA is seven years more. Remember they sign a
ten year extension.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
The players did we be the other The other part
to it, though, and you're right though, is like the Hey,
it's not that the Chargers made it so you could
trade him. Nobody wanted him at the contract demands that
he wants.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right, They didn't want to. They didn't real redo his deal.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
And by the way, that deal and again you're talking
about one of the top three or four backs in
the league, incredible versatility. You're talking about twelve to fourteen
million a season at a minimum, and he wasn't gonna
get that. The guarantees have to be structured that you
got to guarantee years of salary, and that's been part
of the if you look at the three backs, that's
been the problem, Doug is a club might be willing
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to meet one demand, but they're not going to meet
the other. That's the other problem here. And since Christian McCaffrey,
Doug one more thing before we move on, got his
historic deal three years ago sixteen and just over sixteen
million per season, and then Chubb and Derek Henry got
either twelve or twelve and a half million, the deals
have gone down. Miles Sanders got the best for agent
deal six point twenty five million. Doug, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, but I mean, i'd like, that's the market.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's terrible. It's a terrible market. I mean, I feel
for these guys. The one is necklerk. He's getting robbed.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't know, is he Well?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I mean, first of all, by production, are you kidding me?
By production? He's one of the best backs in the league.
But the league doesn't look at it that way. They
look at it. Okay, you're running back. You're not our quarterback,
you're not our pass rusher, you're not our top receiver.
The running back by cap dollars, and by the way
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teams look at it's fifth or sixth in terms of
how they want to pay the pay any position on
a team. And unfortunately, production doesn't seem to mean much anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, but so here's the here's the reality to it. Okay,
so he's an undrafted free agent. He plays his first
couple of years right and making nothing. So they sign
him to a contract extension, right, a four year contract extension.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
For worth twenty four million, and he's I don't play that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Okay, but that's not the way contracts work. They don't
go like, oh, hey, guess what, you're better because at
the time in which he signed the four year extension,
he was making minimum and so they give him, you know,
a bunch of money upfront. Would they give him was
like a nine million basically upfront.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Six million signing bonus. I mean, they fully guaranteed his
second year salary. But yeah, it wasn't it was a
fair market deal.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That was the deal where if he wanted to try
and grind him, he probably could have. And then well,
he's played, but he's played really, really well. And at
the end of the contract. At the end of this
kind like, if you don't like the content, you shouldn't
have signed the contract you made.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let's go back to you riginal point. This is the best.
This is the most selling point you made at the
point that he signed it. Let's not forget he was
coming off his three year undirected free agent deal. So
they signed him to an extension, a four year extension
which ends at the end of this season. He put
up historic numbers touchdowns, he said, all sorts of of
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I don't want to say records because LT is the
best obviously, but he did some things that no backs
have done in years. But the Chargers felt like, look,
this is he's not a power back who could handle
twenty five carries per game. Twenty carries per game. He's
in a twelve or thirteen carriages per game market. That
doesn't equate to them to twelve or thirteen or fourteen
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million a year. And I get that, But unfortunately he's
got to live with this and he's making six two
five with six point twenty five million with some incentives.
But he's just not he's not on the open market.
That's the other part. Had he been in the open market,
he certainly would have got more than Miles Sanders would
have got any I think he actually got more in
ten million seasons.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
That I agree with. I don't know if he would
have got more than Demain.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh yeah, because of his versatility and by the way,
Miles Sanders had a pretty big injury history.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, except what if he had he been able to
get closer to the number that he wanted, he would
have been traded.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's like that. But he said it earlier. Nobody wanted
to redo his deal and pay him. That's just unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, so you're but you're telling me on one hand
that if he was on the open market, he'd get
more than ten million dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
If yes, if you didn't have to give up anything
for him, that's the oir thing. No one's going to
give up a premium pick for running back. You got
to redo their deal twenty eight years old. Now, if
he's on the free agent market where you don't have
to give up anything, this is this is Scott.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I mean, I mean, like, look, Dalvin, Dalvin Cookie. I
know he's had injury history as a fielding, okay, but
he's on the market. There's other plenty other dudes that
are on the market.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Coming off shoulder surgery, Doug. It's a pretty by the way,
the same age of twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I just think I don't think any of these guys
are going to be making Hey, Saquon Barkley, you know,
Seguon Barkley was offered twelve million dollars a year in
extension and chose to turn it down.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Like see the guarantees in the second year. That's the problem.
By the way, it was a little bit more than that,
But the guarantees in the second year, we're a problem
the clubs. It's really interesting. I've not seen this twenty
over twenty years cover this business. I've not seen a
position so devalued. It's really it's sad, but it's it's true.
And that's kind of way we're going here.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Okay, let's uh, let's get to the rest of the
National Football League. Okay, well, actually this this is the
running back thing Heim's get. It's hurt on a jet
ski where somebody else runs their jet ski into his leg.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
What do the Bills do to replace him?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, first of all, he had been demoted. Remember they
made the trade because they had some issues at running
back for Hines. They made the trade with the Colts
last season. It didn't work. He barely played in factor,
he was basically benched, so they said, hey, if you
want to come back, we're going to have to cut
your pay. He took the reduction. He was going to
be a deep backup for them. James Cook, Dalvin's brothers
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their starter. They signed Damien Harris, a former Patriots back,
to be the second back. And what surprised me is
they actually signed Latavious Murray formally've done. In fact, I
talked to Latavio's at the Super Bowl. He said he
definitely wanted to play. Whatever they do, they'll throw at
one back, but it's it's not going to be major.
There's no reason to make a major move because they
love James Cook, Dalvin's brother, and Damien Harris and the
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Tavis Smurry. Now, the one thing I would tell you
is if this Dalvin Cook thing goes into August to
mid August, that's when all bets are off, where anything
could happen. A team could come out of nowhere and
do something.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, and I think that's what he's waiting on, right,
He's gonna he's now, he's got to wait, and he's
got to wait until there's that level of opportunity that
that he so desires. Okay, what you're going to giants camp?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
What are appropriate expectations for Daniel Jones now that he
has the new contract?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well? They Here's the thing. I felt this all on
Brian day Ball, the head coach who really developed and
did a great job with with Josh Allen and Mike
kaf Goes probably gonna be head coach kaf Ga interviewed
for the Cardinals head coaching job. They've done a phenomenal
job of developing him. They're not asking him to win
it alone. They did add Darren Waller, though, I had
reported last week for my friends at Pro Football Network
(28:54):
that basically the Raiders just got They came to the
realization that he Weller couldn't stay healthy, but they got
good value an late third round pick for a guy
who turned thirty one this fall. But the Giants really
feel he's an X factor. He's a super athletic tight end.
They signed Paris Campbell, formerly of the Colts, who stayed
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relatively healthy last season for the first time, so they
feel like they've surrounded with better talent. They're feeling better
about their offensive line. The coach very well at that position,
so they feel like Doug they don't have to ask
him to do a ton and they'll just keep grinding
this thing. But the thing is, though, now, if Barkley
actually doesn't show up early, it's Matt Breed. It's really
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a third down back in Eric Gray, who they like
is more of a power back from Oklahoma. But it's
not good enough, and they know they're going to have
to do something. If you know, they did bring in
James Robinson, who's now with his fourth team in a
year and a half. That's not good and he's had
pretty significant injury problems. They're going to have to take
a look at this, and they'll do that during training camp.
But my senses from talking to people closer situation, they've
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got a plan and they I want to take a
look at Eric Ray. They said, if Gary Brightwell, who's
a sixth runner or two years ago. But they do
want to take a look at James Robinson, who was
an incredible story from the Jaguars. Remember the Jaguars cut
they cut Leonard fourdat. He came out of nowhere from
Illinois State and he was phenomenal that rookie season, but
the torn achilles kind of curtailed his career. So they're
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going to take a look at that. But they're not
their whole field to move the forward here. Their thing
is they don't ask him to do a lot. They're
not they're not a high percentage PASST team. But if
they don't have Barkley for the beginning of the season,
that is a major issue.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
No question, a gigantic issue. Last thing, and I know
you won't get you. Are you going to San Francisco's
camp right now?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I don't have it in the budget, but this will.
I've been going there since gosh, two thousand and five,
So I'm hoping to I'm hoping to get back there.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I'm asking, because who do you think is they're starting
quarterback week one?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Talking to them, I mean they felt all along Brock
party will be ready. They made decision they were going
to stick with him matter what happened, and Trey Lance
and Sam Donald will fill until Party's ready. The hope
is he will start practicing Purty mid to late August.
They're they're not there yet. He took the less invasive
elbow surgery, didn't have the full Tommy John and they'll
just see how he progresses. But they're pretty happy with
(31:16):
what he's doing here and the rehab work. But I'll
tell you what though, and I know they're not saying this,
but let's not forget what they gave up for Trey Lance.
What if he's lights out here? What if he's so great?
And then you're going to go to Brock Purty. Who's
who's the last pick over all last year?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I don't think, dude.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm just telling you. I'm talking to them, talking to them.
I'm just telling you the leadership now it's Kyle Shanhanny.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Is if they if they thought he was that good? Sam? Uh, Sam,
Donald would be on the street.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well yeah, but you mean talking about Lancer Party.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
If they thought Lance was that good?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Look look they know I know.
But what I'm saying is, and I've learned my lesson
with this thing because Party was fourth string to start
training camp last year and a whole lot of things
had to happen. You don't know. You never know un
till you get there and coaching. That's what they'll tell you.
If Lance is incredible. I'm gonna be interested to see
what they say about Party. I know privately talking to them,
they're like, so gog over parties leadership and how he
(32:16):
took over. That's all great, but the guy's never started
her full season the National Footballague. That's the fact.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
He's the one and only. Adam Kaplan said to hit
the road for his for his annual training camp tour,
and we will catch up with him on the road.
Also check out his Inside the Birds podcast. Kat thanks
so much for joining us.
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Thank you.
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Montcy Belanos here with the updates. One year ago today,
(33:15):
I was in Tel Aviv, Israel, and as some people know,
I was coaching something called the Macabia Games, the US
Men's Open Team. What's that mean? So the games are
it's like the Jewish Olympics in Israel. It's every four years,
although that one there was a five year span between
(33:37):
the two, and the reason was COVID obviously moved everything
back a year. Now there's three years in between these
two to kind of get it back on on schedule.
So in two more summers there'll be another games, and
they have they have a sixteen U team and at
and U team, and then they have the open team.
The open team can be any age guy. I had
(33:59):
one player who was twenty six years old, played a
little for the Globetrotters, mostly college kids. One was a
player transitioning towards college. So the competition is kind of
mixed in terms of levels. But I would tell you
that the France was all It was the second best
(34:23):
team the last two times I coached. Both times they
won the silver medal, and they have professional level players.
They're very well organized. And actually they have a rule
and I don't know if they use it. I think
they do where they don't have to. They have two
players that don't have to be Jewish, whereas all of
our players have to be Jewish. That's the rules. So
(34:48):
it's a long it's like a month long process. Right
when we started, we had a couple of days of
practice at Keene University in New Jersey, which is, by
the way, an incredible campus. It's a D three program
in Jersey. It's really cool. It's probably about fifteen minutes
from Newark. So we practiced there for a couple of days.
(35:10):
You fly to Israel. We did, you know, three two days.
Then we competed against the under twenty national team, which
the under twenty national team, same team just they just
won the silver medal or they just got second in
the European Championships at their level. So we actually beat
them last time around, and then the U nineteen team,
(35:33):
which now has some of the players advanced, was actually
in the tournament that we played in. And like, Israel's
a fun country, lots of things to do, lots of
places to go out, weather's good, people are pretty good looking,
you know, like in Tel Aviv was a party town.
(35:54):
So my rule to the guys was, hey, listen, there
are some days we have off and I'm not telling
you can't take off and you can't go out, but
like the drinking and really going hard, like let's just
win and then party like rock stars. So can I
(36:15):
tell you what the rockstar party was like Chase two?
Would you like to know?
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I'd love to know. I need all the aspects of
a rockstar party.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, so these are all and the guys what will
send this to all of them and they can attest
to to it. So we we uh, I don't think
we commentered. I think we rented a bus, right, so
the bus was going to take us. We played the
championship game at Malga, which is the old arena for
(36:43):
Hopwell Jerusalem. Their new arena is like a it's not
an NBA caliber arena. It's like a really nice college
arena with boxes and everything, but you don't use that
or they have it's the only place they can play
ice hockey in the entire country, so you don't use
that for basketball shit. So we played it their old
old arena and we win, and there's a celebration. And
(37:05):
what was cool about it was my daughter who was
competing in the equestrian event out in Tiberius. You're thinking
of biblical references with Tiberius, right, which is in the
northern part of the country. She was, her competition was done,
so her and her friends they're at the game and
she got to be on the court and she had
won a silver medal. And we win the gold medal
and it's on national TV and you could have picked
(37:28):
it up as well. So we win, we celebrate, we
take pictures, and then everybody's like, now we go and
club it. So we have the bus. The women's team
also came with us on the bus as they won,
and you know, now now the bus is full. And
the way I did it was I assigned. I had
(37:50):
one assistant coach, Skyeton, who just he went. He was
at Princeton last year. Now he just took a job
at U see Santa Barbara. Not a hard sale, right,
do you want to live in Santa Barbara? Yes? So anyway,
Sky was in charge of about four players, and then
our head trainer, Summer Rumstead, she's in charge of about
(38:10):
four five players, and everyone was in charge of looking
after my daughter. Like, hey, dude, she can come with
us to the club, sixteen years old at the time,
but if she can dance on the dance, there's no
dudes coming up and dance with her, like she dance
with the girls, and that's it. So everybody's a sign there.
We all had the breakdown. You make sure you know
(38:31):
where your player is, so it limits how much we
can drink because we got to keep our eyes in
the prize. The rule is everybody's got to get home safely.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
You only have a bad trip if something goes wrong
there or if you lose a game. Well, we didn't
lose a game, so we didn't want it then to go.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
So we go.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
We roll into a club in Tel Aviv where he
previously called a head and we had to lay down
what it amounted to, I believe seven grand for like
it wasn't like unlimited bottle service, but it's like bottle
service spot of the club, security everything. So we come
(39:14):
in and there's this huge mass of people outside of
it trying to get into this club. And my daughter's sixteen.
I think you were supposed to be eighteen. Not really
sure if there was really an age limit or they
were just checking IDs, but we did the old one
woman shoulder ID. Then everybody was talking past it back
and my daughter had the ID right so she didn't
have a fake ID. We go in and immediately we
(39:39):
have to get shots and Don Perignon for all the guys.
So shots Don Perignon, and then the dance floor were
like on this little VIP area and you can look
down at the dance floor and generally good time was
had by all. And then we had like a I
think it was four o'clock or maybe five o'clock was
(40:02):
our heart out, like we're out of here. So my
daughter got to hang with us for a little bit.
And then she had like an older kind of chaperone.
It was like twenty two. Put them in the it's
not uber, it's called a get taxi there. Put them
in the get. She got back to her hotel, texted
me I'm good. And then we moved on. So at
(40:23):
four o'clock we decide, all right, we got to leave
the club. We had to walk down the street to
the bus. We're staying in Jerusalem, which is an hour
away or fifteen minutes away or whatever. Four am in Jerusalem,
now four am in Tel Aviv. What do you think's
open to get some deep No, not Taco Bell. Closest
(40:43):
thing McDonald's. Go and get some McDonald's. We all get
on the bus with our McDonald's and we realize we're
missing le Or. Lee Or is Leor Berman. He plays
for Auburn and he had a great tournament. Nobody can
find Leor, and we had been monitoring him, had had
(41:04):
a little bit to drink. He's of age then, and
you didn't have to be of age there, but he'd
a had maybe a lot to drink there. And suddenly Leo,
where's Leor? And in Hebrew you say, f oh Leor?
Where is Leor? So we get like ten dudes on
those you know, the rental scooters, the electric scooters you
can get, and they're all around this little area in
(41:27):
Tel Aviv yelling for Leor. Guys got they got McDonald's
in one hand the scooter going around looking for leor Or,
like forty five minutes we're looking for this dude.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
We're on a group WhatsApp message nothing no Leor. So
we at some point I go like one of the
assistant coach had to stay behind look for Leor everybody else.
I got to get everybody else back to the hotel.
So everybody else's probably like thirty five in our traveling party.
We get on the bus, we go back to the
hotel and there's pictures. It's there's kind of hangover type
(42:02):
pictures where people have stamps on their forehead and you know,
some of the dudes made out with a woman. There's
one girl that made out with Several of the guys
are good generally, good time, nothing like debauchery whenever. Good
time was had by all. But we don't know where
hell Leoor is. Well, when we had landed the first
(42:22):
week we're there, we're in one hotel. Then we moved
to Jerusalem to a different hotel. So Leor because he'd
probably had a little bit to drink, and he got
in a taxi and went to our old hotel and
was like knocking on the door and didn't know why
no one would open his old hotel door, but we
(42:43):
were in a different hotel. Anyway, We roll into Jerusalem
and at about six am, as the sun is coming
up over the hills of Jerusalem, we got the I'm alive,
I'm fine text. All the pressure off and that was
our That was our rockstar party night.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
One of the guys ended up going up to the
DJ booth and became the DJ. A lot of nineties
and early two thousands hip hop was being played. There
was these glowing the bark bottles of Don Perrignon. I
got a picture of it. Pretty cool anyway, and it's
honestly probably the only night in my life I can
ever say that I was clubbing. But I was clubbing.
(43:24):
That's my night.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
What do you think, Jay, I think losing a human
being is a great part of a party store.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
And wasn't It was a lot like it were like,
where the hell is Lee? I'm like, I'm thinking all
the worst things and then the worst part is the
best part of the worst part. So his parents were
on the trip, but his parents came and he was
staying in Israel because Auburn was coming out to play,
so he was actually going to stay with like his
grandpa who lived there. And they're like, and I'm just
thinking to myself, like how do I explain to the
(43:53):
grandpa the next day when he comes to the hotel
to get his grandson, like where's Lee? Or like I
don't know? No, So I had about I had about
two hours of pure panic not knowing where this kid was.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
Do you think the writers of The Hangover are thinking
of part four?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Now?
Speaker 5 (44:08):
That could be a part four? Right?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Oh yeah, this was definitely a This is a good one, right,
this is a good one. It was a good one.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
What do you think the French team was doing, the
second place team where they also party?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, they French.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
They handle it way different than we had. They didn't
wait until the tournament was over, right, Like I'm sure
the night before, the day before they prepped. But those guys,
they're all they were grown men. Like we had college kids.
They had professional at like six like pro A level
professional basketball players. So and they did a good job.
But yeah, they last time we won when they partied
(44:43):
like rock stars, I flew home because the story, I
flew home and did cowherd right off the plane like
literally landed at like five am, did cow herd at
nine am at on the Fox loot the real thing,
whereas this one I stayed in partly like rock stars.
But last time they saw that, all the teams out.
(45:06):
You know, they're grown man. They go out, they have
a good time. But that was one year ago. I
gotta travel some more, Chase, are you traveling with the summer?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Uh No, I'm the most I'm traveling. I think this
summer is I've booked a birthday trip for Christina. It's
in a month, and we're gonna drive up to this
is great, go ahead, drive up to you Smite. So
that's not necessarily a trip I'm traveling to, but I'm
driving to Smite. And for her birthday, we're gonna climb.
(45:41):
We're gonna peak half Dome and at the top of
Half Dome. This is why we're gonna do it. I
need to survive it first of all, and then I
need to get up it, and then we're gonna take
a picture, and then we're gonna say hashtag this is
fifty and then everything will be worth it. So we're
gonna have a tour guide take us up there. I
need to get in shape. I need to drop like
(46:02):
twenty pounds the next four weeks.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
You can start taking ozempic.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah. See that's the thing. I need to lose weight,
but I can't get weak. So the first time that
goes is well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I just need to do something that all the Hollywood
people are taking. Yes, go ahead, Monty, Yes, yeah, so
you're getting weaker. I don't think it's about you need
to eat less.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
You need to eat better, absolutely, yes, eating the right things.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
What's your what's your biggest like? What's what's what gets you?
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Why?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Who couldn't have pizza every single day? And when you
have little when you have little kids, like they literally
have pizza every single day. Yeah, it doesn't work that way, Ramos.
What's what's the one thing you can't say no to?
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (47:07):
Sweets, which is probably bad?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
What kind of sweets?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Chocolate?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Chocolate, milk white? Dark?
Speaker 5 (47:13):
Uh regular milk chocolate?
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Uh? Jay Stu. What's your what's your weakness?
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah? Chalcol what's mine too?
Speaker 4 (47:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (47:21):
My like my daughter Harper, she that's one who was
with me and Israel. So we switched cars a bunch
last week and like I get my car and I
got like cookies in there and sweets in there. It's like,
my god, what are you doing to me? Anyway, my weakness.
I have a lot of weaknesses and eat. I eat
generally pretty well.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Obviously if you're around pizza like you guys got if
you go to blaze pizza, like, what are you gonna do? Like,
how am I gonna how many I say no to that?
There's no way?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
But for the most part, I'm pretty good. And sugar,
especially in coffee, like I put I try limited sugar
and coffee. Those are my two. But if somebody has
sour belts, I can't stop. I can't stop. I have zero,
I cannot stop. I can't can't stop. All right, So
Jay Stu, that's where we all need to team up
(48:09):
and limit what Jays do is eating and make sure
that he's drinking lots of water please do so that
they can do fifty at fifty at half Dome.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
I want to survive to come back on Monday to
tell you the story. The most challenging part of the
half Dome peak is you have to climb these these
chains pretty much vertically the entire way and it's all
upper body strength, and people have let go of those chains.
There has been deaths on this thing, so that's the
(48:38):
one part that's after you've fiked eight miles.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
You climb the change, but you don't have any anything.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
No, there's nothing like that. That's nice.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I don't believe that. Why would you? I don't really
to say I did it. Yeah, but he also he
does bungee jumping and stuff. Yeah, it clearly wants to
die geez. But he wants to die in some spectacular fashion,
like he wants he wants the death story to be
a really good one. Right, nobody wants cool. Nobody wants
to like the flesh eating fresh heating bacteria. That doesn't
(49:07):
sound like that sounds really painful. But it's like, oh,
do you hear how he died? No, he was hiking
half dome for his girlfriend on her fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 5 (49:15):
She doesn't she doesn't know about this, right, and he
got what she's done it? Yeah, Oh, she's already done it.
Told something else.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
No, he was like, like, oh, do you guys see
that bungee jumping deal where the guy wasn't like latched
in and he went and flew out I was Jason Stewart.
You mean Jay Stud from the You mean Jay Stud
from the Rome Show. Yeah, that's how he went, like,
h that's a memorable way to go.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I think that's part of what's behind this thing, Like
he doesn't really want to die, but if he dies,
at least it's in spectacular fashion fair Jay
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