July 26, 2023 • 37 mins
Doug weighs in on the contract extension the Chargers have given to their star quarterback Justin Herbert. Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady joins Doug to talk about the NBA, his career and his most recent project. Doug reacts to comments made by Jerry Jones about running backs. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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NBA First Team twice.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
He's gonna join us.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
He's got a new series out on Showtime and I
think it should be a good one. He has a
one on one league and there's a behind the scenes
show about the one on one league. Can't wait to
ask you about a myriad a myriad of NBA topics
that's fifteen minutes away. Wait to hear what Jerry Jones
said about the running back market. And then Daniel Jeremiah
(01:08):
will join us next hour. Actually, DJ is out at
Chargers Camp today. Chargers Camp is fairly close to where
I live, and I know he was out there earlier.
Today we'll ask Kim about I think what we want
to talk about the lead topic, which is justin Herbert
gets a new contract or contract extension. So that's the
show today. Plus we have a really good midway. I'm
(01:29):
torn on the midway here. I know our plan was
would you sign up to do a reality show, but
I'm wondering, you know, for the podcast, I want to
do a little UFO talk because there's that dude who
was an Air Force pilot who's claiming that the government
has was it non human non human remains? Yeah, there's
a UFO hearing. And there's a new term as well,
(01:52):
which I had not heard before, a UAP jaycedu.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
What's a UAP again? Unidentified phenomenon?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Which the P is so misleading there because it's pronounced like.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
F yes yes, so a U A P.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
This This feels like, you know, just potato patato. This
feels like what used to be a stewardess is now
a flight attendant. Everybody's now an actor. That doesn't make
any sense to me that everybody's an actor, but apparently
everybody's an actor, and UFOs an identified fly an object
is now an unidentified aviation phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Aerial phenomenon?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Aerial phenomenon, aerial phenomenon. Who is the guy who's like,
you know, we got to change this.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's not completely accurate what we're doing with UFOs.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We need who is the person? This is? This is what?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What's This is the part of new age society which
all of us old guys are yelling, get.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Off my lawn.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
There was never a moment where like, you know, UFO
is somehow offensive and.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
We got to change it. I don't know, all right,
Tracey McGrady.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
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Sayprogressive dot com. Justin Herbert's new deal, which technically the
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final tally comes out as the hugest contract ever. Look
into the details and it's like one hundred and thirty
three million guaranteed. And I think I think the part
that is bizarre is what I've seen in some parts
of media, but a lot of social media, which is well,
(03:50):
Pat Mahomes is a discount. Now he's the biggest discount
in NFL history.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Like, Okay, the way it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Works when you sign a long term contract extension is
it protects you and it's got to on some level
protect the team. And if you look at the details
of the Chiefs deal, which without any question will be
redone at some point in time, if you look at
the details of the Chiefs deal, you start to realize
that he protected himself by getting just a ton of
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money long term deal, loves the system, loves what he's in,
doesn't want to move. All of that stuff just all
makes sense to him. And they protected themselves by we
just we're not going to keep going back to the
well we got cost certainty. Once you get to fifty
million dollars a year, you should be pretty good. There's
also the idiot on social media talking about a contract
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that he signed three years ago. Look, that's three years ago.
That money is in the bank, that money is making
more money every penny he has that wasn't spent in
taxes is making more money?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Why?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I Like when you win the lottery, they always tell
you take all the money up front because that money
makes money if you know what you're doing. And when
you get to this, when you get to this number
of commas to commas, you have somebody. You'll usually hire
somebody good and it's not impossible, but it's very, very
difficult to blow it all. But the one big takeaway
(05:24):
I have is I don't care what Emmanuel Acho says.
I don't care what social media idiot says. If you
can't see how good Justiner Herbert is the easiest way
to point out how good he is. There's not an
NFL analyst, anyone associated with the league who covers the
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league who sit there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Going like Herbert, how much that's too much? Does it
mean he's gonna win a Super Bowl? It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Does it mean that the Chargers have achieved as much
success as they should? I mean they're up twenty seven
and twenty nothing last year in the playoffs and couldn't
win the game against Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It doesn't mean he's perfect, But there isn't a soul
who has legitimacy in NFL circles that sits there and
goes like, I can't believe they signed just to Herbert
to a big deal, but I've actually heard that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, I did want to playoff. I won a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, playoff games are hard to win, you know, but
not one I was batted, not a single one. And
we have where it looked for a while like, man,
are we going to have a next generation of quarterbacks?
Because the Breeze thing, the Brady thing, the Rivers thing,
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those lasted even in Rodgers, they lasted way longer than
previous generations, and there wasn't really a next regime.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Now there is.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Mahome is obviously the best and most accomplished, and then
you got Burrow and Herbert. Like, you know, people believe
Jalen Hurts. I would only say about Jalen Hurts obviously
is way better than we thought. The sustainability of how
good will he be when new offensive coordator? But also
at some point in time when that contract hits the
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you know, hits the salary cap, can he carry a team?
But we have our next generation, our next regime of
all young quarterbacks, and Burrow's the next one to get signed,
that'll get done. And as they said, we got a
bunch of other guys to sign as well.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
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Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's Doug Otlib Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
from the tyrack dot com Studios. He's a Hall of Famer,
he was a seven time All Star. He led the
NBA in scoring All NBA First Team twice. He's tracing
Mr Grady of course. He also owned and runs the OBL.
That's the Ones Basketball League and they actually have a
show out new show out on Showtime. It's a series
(08:07):
called Bonded by Ball Inside the OBL, and he joins
us on the Doug Gottlieb Shaw on Fox Sports Radio. Tracy,
what what led you to want to start the OBL?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Just giving back to the basketball community to guys that
I think if you're a basketball fan should know about
these guys that participated in OBL on this platform that
have a unique skill set in one on one. You know,
it really stems from me being a unknown basketball player
(08:41):
in Central Florida and when I completed my junior season
in high school as a guy that was affiliated with
Adidas came down to my school to give me an
opportunity to participate in this platform that Sonny Baccaro created
called ABCD Camp. Sure, I think about this camp, and
(09:02):
so I go there. I'm hearing about all these top
players in the nation that I read about, and you know,
I play. I have a great camp. I go from
unknown to be the number one player in the country
in high school my senior year, and that's because of
this platform. And nothing really changed about me as a
back basketball player is just you know, the exposure that
(09:24):
I gained from this. And you know, when you talk
about basketball, if the pure essence of one on one
is the pure essence of it. So creating this platform
for guys that I know that are not on an
NBA roster, that are not on a G league roster,
but have a unique skill set for the basketball fans
to see, I figure, why not create this UFC created
(09:45):
for their fighters. I can create this for my basketball
players to create superstars out of this league.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a great idea that the question becomes, can you
get it to where you know, the NBA the best
one on one NBA players to dissipate, right, so, because
because that's what I don't know if it brings credibility,
but that gives us a sense of just how good
somebody is. But the problem with the NBA players is,
and tell me if I'm wrong, they don't want to lose.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It is a no way situation for some of those dudes.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I think eventually it'll be a part of All Star Weekend.
I think it has to be because you know, All
Star Weekend is kind of dry now. There's really no
great excite entertainment. The Slam Dunk Contest is not what
it used to be, the All Star Game is not
what it used to be. So I think they got
to brain some new found energy and I think one
(10:38):
on one back well could be the case for it.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Obviously, you famously went straight out of high school to
the NBA. Your first year was rough, right, Uh, you've
even described it as as hell. Now, guys they can't
go they can't go straight out of high school, but
they can't go to the G League. They go overseas,
they go play in college where then get NI If
you were coming out now, what would be the path
(11:02):
you choose.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Oh, no, separate way. The wind blows. Man. You know,
these kids are getting you know, millions of dollars to
in nil to stay in college. So and a lot
of stories that I hear is college was a fun car.
Who knows, I probably would have, you know, went to
Kentucky for a year and probably had a million or
(11:26):
two in nil deal booster or the team comes back
and say, we'll give you some more to stay another year. Like,
I don't know how to win? Is gonna blow? Man?
There's so much going on out here in amateur sports
and college sports and in the NBA. I don't know.
I couldn't tell you, Doug fair.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Enough, all right, how about this one? You know?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Another famous part of your career was you didn't have
good playoffs success. I mean, how many years in Houston
did y'allming get hurt? You just anything that could go
wrong in the playoffs went wrong for your teams in
the playoffs. So I'm wondering as you watch Damian Lillard
knowing you still made the Hall of Fame, but you're
not considered at the level that all of your accolades
(12:10):
should be. Like, you're not in the discussion of the
all time greats, even though based upon how dynamic you were,
you probably should be. So so it comes down to
your teams didn't win enough in the playoffs. How do
you feel about watching Damian Lillard now finally say, you
know what, enough's enough. I got to get to Miami
somewhere I can beat in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, I think if anybody deserves to make that statement
and wanting to leave a franchise and Dame, I mean,
he's given Portland everything you could you can want out
of a player, and not just on the basketball court,
but he's a great ambassador in the community as well.
So I'm hoping that he could find a home that
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to where he can compete for a championships because I
think he deserves that. He's given Portland everything that you
know he could possibly give them, But it's time to
move on and compete before it's too late.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Paul Pierce has come out and said, hey, look, man,
I was better than Dwayne Wade. I just didn't get
the attention of Dwayne Wade. I'll allow you because that
was your era in the league. Paul Pierce or Dwayne Wade,
who do you think is better.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
They? I mean listen, both was great, man. I can't
sit here and say one was better than the others.
Paul won a championship with older Ray Allen, with the
older Kevin Garnett. You know, had he had some some
of the young players like a young Lebron and young
Chris Bosh, I think he would have won more championship.
All just based on the line of who you play
(13:41):
with and what you was able to do with what
you have. And you know, I think when Paul finally
got some talent around him, he won a championship. Dwayne
Wade was you know, ugly in the conversation the top
five greatest shoes out of all time because he won talent.
Barg they both are great. I don't know who's better,
but they both the great talents and they both played
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different different, different positions on the basketball court.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
If if if Victor eban Yama came and sat down
next to you and said, t mac, I watched your tape, man,
just show me the way, what would you tell him
about about being so young and about evolving into an
NBA star.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well, I don't have to be that because he's around
that you know greatness. I mean, you're talking about coach Popp,
You're talking about Tim Duncan and David Robinson. Like he's
surrounded by greatness. He's going to get the best advice
that anyone could give him. So t mac has not
competed on the level that he's surrounded by. That's you know,
(14:44):
it was going to be his ear every single day.
So my advice don't mean anything to what. You know.
These guys are going to get him on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He don't need to hear from me, all right, I
mean you could give him a pretty good guy. All right.
How about this.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You were in San Antonio right twenty thirteen on that
NBA Finals run where you have Game six one you
got it one missing pre throws and of course Round
hits the three. But you were the What do you
remember about that game?
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I just I remember thinking, Dad, I'm actually about to
see an NBA a celebration of winning the championship. Like
up sitting on the bench, locked arms, thinking we about
to win. You see the staffers roll out the tape,
they bringing out the trophy. I'm like, then this is
(15:39):
really happening. So I'm living in the moment, right, But
then Tim Duncan is sitting over here on the sideline,
they get that rebound, kick it out to Ray hit
the three. It was like, just crush everything. Man. It's
like the life was sucked out of the team after
that fault on that and it was just it was
a sad moment. Not that you know, if we would
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have won a championship, I would have been head over
heels and excited about winning because me, you know, the
level that I played on, I would want to go
through the journey and the fire with those guys. And
that didn't happen for me. I was really just like
a Renter player because Pop called me at the end
of that season and told me that they had some
injuries that just needed an extra body. So, you know,
(16:25):
just for me to be a part of that experience,
it was great in itself, but man, that shot Bro,
it just really it took the life out of that team.
And then going back to Game seven, I just knew
we wasn't gonna win Game seven because you just felt
the energy was just different. It shifted.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, I sorry to bring up that tough moment, but
I just you were there, so I had to I
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Speaker 2 (17:11):
Tracy, thanks so much for your time. Man. Let's catch
up soon.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Thank you appreciation there.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, that's Tea Mac join us Stuck Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. That was fun. It was
fun to catch up with Tracey McGrady. That man he's
talking about is a son of a Caro. Of course
he's part of that was that air was the movie Air. Yeah,
that was sunny and ABCD camp was where I wasn't
discovered there, but like I went there two years in
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a row. My first year was ninety three in Yips
to Lanty, Michigan, and I was up and down.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
My second year I was.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I had a great camp and I got scholarship all
first from everywhere. It's amazing what opportunity, opportunity can do.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I love this quote.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So Jerry Jones spoke out about the running back mark
in the current economic system the team works with. I
want you to take a look listen to this, because
remember Jerry famously paid Ezekie Elliott early and we said
it was a mistake of the time.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It turned out to be a mistake.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And oh yeah, by the way, at the time he
had Tony Pollard and it felt like I don't know
if he could have played a hard ball with Zeke
or at least let Zeke play out his contract much
like Maney of these teams are doing. So does did
Jerry learn from that situation? Here's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
There's no free lunch. You have to weigh the impact
to the team on every decision that you make, and
the system will cause it to evolve. And the system
has gotten more relative to the budgets that you have.
It's gotten more quarterback friendly and less running back friendly.
(18:44):
That isn't just the Cowboys. That's the game as it
is today.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's true now you could point out how much teams
that have paid their quarterback at the top of the market,
with the exception of the Chiefs have struggled to win
in the play. That's fair, but it's easier to point
out how you know, you could go back two decades
and you'd be hard pressed with a couple exceptions, you'd
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be hard pressed to find the the guy, okay, who
has exceeded expectations or even lived up to expectation that
second contract. Adrian Peterson would probably be one of the
only ones. But even Adrian Peterson remember fairly limited as
far as catching the ball out of the backfield. And
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you know he like he of course came back, was
n nofinal MVP after and and Comeback Player of the
Year after coming back from the ACL injury. But basically
Jerry Jones like, look, the market dictates these things we don't,
and teams are finally getting smart. It's much like the
if you don't have a star quarterback, your best your
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better bet. Your best bet is having a rookie quarterback
making little money. Yes, the quarterback money is obscene, but
that's about half the league. The other half of the
league is on rookie quarterback deals and that's how you build.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Up your roster. That's all part of the economics, you know,
it's all part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Look at what Seattle was able to do last year
when they had two quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Neithery've made very much money. They end up with Gino.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Now they pay Geno, I think what twenty this year,
But compared to other people, it's not that much.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They may be overpaying him, but.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
They're like, look, you're fine, you're good. Now we can
continue to fill out our roster with more talented players.
That's all the balance of the salary cap. And it
just doesn't make any sense except to people's emotions, that
you overpay running backs.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think, I truthfully, honestly think that Jerry Jones, for
the first time ever, is the voice of reason in
the economy of the National Football League economy nash footballague.
Now do you guys hear this where the Bills are
reportedly trying to play hardball with name Hyms because he
(21:19):
was injured in a jet ski accident. And it's interesting, right, like,
could they say, hey, dude, it wasn't your fault.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Somebody crashed into you. I don't know. That's a tough one.
It's a tough one.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
We mean they could, right, yes, Doug.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
But the problem is is that I wonder if he
had something in this contract that. I mean, even though
he didn't actually go out there himself and hit somebody,
somebody hit him, he's still in a dangerous situation.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, I guess, yeah, I mean, I don't know, Like
you don't think all these guys jet ski or do
something fun. Like you're on a boat and somebody else's
boat and something happens, something flies up and hits you
in the head and you're out for a couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
In this case, he's out for the year's crew.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, I guess it's one of those things. It's like
the old you could drive a car with your feet,
but that doesn't make it a good idea. It's a
good point you now, you could take back his money
and with old his money, but that doesn't necessarily make
it a good idea. On the other hand, if he's
not liked within the locker room and you think he's
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a waste of money and you don't care, then by
all means. By the way, speaking of running backs, here's
Najee Harris. He had this to say about Saquon Barkley's
contract in the running back.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
Market, accumulated for almost thirty percent of the offense, Like,
why can't you look at that and say, okay, well,
you know he said, he's not trying to break the
market or set the market, but he's trying to get
a conversated of what he think is fair, which they
think what two parts should think is fair too. And
I think that I know that they know themselves that
that ain't fair what he's getting. You know, he wanted
a long contract to know the security. Then right now
(23:05):
he doesn't have no security. You know, right now they're
just going to probably utilize him the same way, and
if something happens in the again, they're gonna probably look
somewhere else. Matter what is the security that we have.
We don't have no security right now. You guys are
using us to accomplish what you guys want, and then
when it's time for us to re up or acts
for something that we think is right, you guys just
turn the cheek and say, well you have you have
wear and tear. It's like, come on now, bro, like
(23:26):
you know what you're trying to do. You're trying to
utilize us as much as you can get the much
of out you can out of us for cheating and
then you know, I mean, go get another back or
something like that and try to do the same thing again.
That's the trend that is happening right now.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think that the part the nause Harris And look,
Nase's a bright dude, but there's the he doesn't have
any security. Okay, he was offered a multi year extension,
it just wasn't at the amount that he thought he
should get. And you know, the perfect ent like Dalvin Cook,
and I know he's got a bad shoulder and some
(24:06):
off the field stuff, but look at the list of
guys that are unsigned. They can hold out as long
as they want, but the market has dictated that teams
don't have to give him a long, multi year deal.
And yeah, he had thirty percent of the offense, but
if he doesn't play, somebody else is going to account
for at least twenty percent of the offense. You may
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not be as good, but if you could have that
ten million, eleven million dollars to move around, maybe could
be as good. You get two players for that, two
running backs for that, and they would they would, you know,
they would earn up to thirty percent of the offense.
Just we're comparing these raw stats and this thought of hey,
I carry the ball, so I'm important with the reality
(24:50):
is that those feelings aren't shared and it hasn't proven
to be successful for.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
A long time in the NFL. For a long time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He is really hard to sustain a level of success
and dominance as a running back. And as you get older,
you're gonna need more help from your offensive line and
you're gonna have to make less money because you're gonna
get banged up, You're gonna play less. Like this is
just I mean it, I don't really I understand the
argument because it's a it's feeling based argument. He's in
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the fact that he's trying to use is a thirty
percent of the offense. Okay, no one's disputing that he's good.
Giants offered him a multi ye extension. He turned it down.
It just wasn't at the mount that he wanted. They're
trying to manage their books. He doesn't go into the
owner or GM's pocket. It goes to another player. And
(25:44):
while you can say, hey, you shouldn't pay Daniel Jones
that much, I'd say the pushback would be that, I mean,
he's not close to the highest paid. It feels like
he's paid little bit more, but he's paid a little
bit more because his contract is shorter. And I'm, you know,
just to guess. I don't know how many years say
Quan's deal with the Giants was. But the shorter you
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shorter the contract, the more you can make. The longer
the contract, the more the guarantees, the less you can
at least the less you can make. And for a quarterback,
what's essentially a two year deal is not a long
term deal.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
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Speaker 8 (27:30):
Doug, chances are that fun and intrigue is straight ahead?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
What are the chances?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
All right, Doug?
Speaker 8 (27:36):
What are the chances that Josh Jacobs plays for the
Raiders in week one of the regular season?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Ninety eight percent.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
That's the height of confidence. Uh why do you feel
so confident in that?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Because he makes ten points one million dollars.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
So no further explanation necessary on that one, by the way,
So sorry, in advance, you only have a two percent
chance there, Denver Broncos fans, that's who the Raiders are
facing in Week one, staying in the AFC West. Doug,
what are the chances that the Los Angeles Chargers play
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deep into the playoffs this season?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The Chargers deep in the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, I like it?
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Okay, all right? And why is that?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They have better talent than I think just about anybody
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Boy, from your lips to the NFL god's ears, because
I've thought similar things the last two seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We all know, I mean, last year they didn't have
a Shawn Slater, right.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, they had, they had. You know, Bosa was hurt
most of last year as well. So again, if healthy,
they have a very good roster.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
And by the way, this is totally under the radar,
but they actually hired a new athletic trainer this season,
which Chargers fans are actually hoping makes a difference now.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Offensive coordinator, yes, compartitor, make difference.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Now that Justin Herbert's extension is done. Doug, what are
the chances that Joe Burrows deal gets done this week?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
This week?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I'd say pretty like, I'd say fifty five percent chance
it's done this week. The problem with the Joe Burrow
deal is that it has to there's other deals that
have to I believe, you know, other deals have to
be done as well, and they're trying to make it
all work together. You know, Cincinnati doesn't love spending money,
but this idea that Cincinnati won't pay him. Remember Carson
Palmer grant, he tore his mee the very next game. Yeah,
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Arsa Palmer once upon time sign the biggest contract NFL history.
He was a Cincinnati Bengal.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
They kept him in house until fate entered. So Calvin
Ridley his last full season before he got suspended for gambling.
He was playing, obviously for the Atlanta Falcons. Ninety receptions
for one three hundred and seventy four yards and nine touchdowns. Doug,
what are the chances that Calvin Ridley this season for
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the Jacksonville Jaguars makes the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Makes a Pro Bowl?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Everybody makes a Pro Bowl. So I'm going to go
seventy five percent chance.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
You know that I actually made the Pro Bowl last
year as a special teamer. That makes sense, and I
turned it down. Actually, actually I had to decline because
of injury, a hangnail, as it turned out. So I
have two questions left. One of them is a sports question,
but I'm actually sort of more interested in your answer
to the non sports question given what you were discussing earlier, Doug,
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what are the chances that we have indisputable proof of
the existence of extra terrestrials by the end of, say,
the year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
What are the chances we have a proof of extraterrestrial
indisputable proof?
Speaker 8 (31:07):
Oh uh, okay, all right, I'm not gonna have nightmares
then for the next two years. That's good to know.
And finally, Leonel Messi has already scored three goals in
two games during his brief tenure with Inter Miami. What
are the chances that Messi continues to score at a
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similar pace for the rest of the Major League Soccer season?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
How long is that.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Till like October? That's kind of when the playoffs begin?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I think pretty good. Let's see here. I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Eight.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Goodness, he's one of the great players in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He's not what he used to be, but that's not
close to his level of comp'll he'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
This is game time on the Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
All right, let's let's have this discussion. We'll have it
more in the pod.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But Ilo, are you a Are you a believer in
extraterrestrial life?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, I'm serious?
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Yeah, explains a lot. Yeah, Mathematically, the universe is just
too big and whoever is out there is just too
intelligent to make their presence felt by us. We're staying
away from those weird o's.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
The point of having extra trust or life is I
do not I agree with the question is, do you
believe that they visited.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Us and had an interplanetary tete a tet with certain people?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I don't think they need to have a tet a tet?
Do you think they visited us? Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
What the heck?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Why not?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
I think a lot of the evidence out there is mistake,
an identity, or lies or physical.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Or some sort of government experiment or something else.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
I'll tell you what I don't if aliens live among us,
They're most likely working somewhere in sports media. I'll leave
it at.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That, Jay Stu, where are you on on if we
have been contacted by if? First, do you believe in
I believe you believe in extra trust your life? But
do you believe it's traveled here?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And yes, I think that there's a there is an ignorance.
If you think that there there has not been life
forms outside of our planet, then that's ignorant. It's arrogant.
You don't want to know, And I understand that's a
that's a part of this, Doug. The more I think
about this, I think this is one of those things
where people are just overwhelmed by the thought of it
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and they just don't even want to accept it. Like,
to me, that's where does all the garbage go? I
don't know where it goes, but I don't really want
to know. It's overwhelming and depressing to me. And I
think for somebody to say that there's there's extra trustrial
life or UFOs that uncovers a lot of expansive thinking
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and people don't like to put that much thought into things.
But yes, I think that more advanced life has exists
for thousands and thousands of years before us, and they
come in. They do ex surveillance and stuff, I'm sure,
and we just in recent years have had the technology,
whether it be our actual cell phone or the satellite technology,
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military technology to detect these things. The question is who
has the information and who has the what did Donald's
other ones say in JFK, who has the power to
cover it up?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
The problem with that is that it's not just cell
phone cameras. There are literally cameras everywhere, right, And I
think the perfect example of this is if you remember
when they how they figured out Aaron Hernandez was you know,
guilty of murder. Was they, you know, pinged his cell
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phone off cell phone towers and tracked his exact whereabouts
that night, and then there's video.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Evidence to support it. So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Do I believe that there is life outside of intelligent
life on Earth? Yes, and I would dispute that all
life on Earth is intelligent obviously, But do I think
that there's this massive government cover up over UFOs. I
just find it hard to believe without Like, there's so
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many cameras in the world, and granted many of them
not pointed up to the sky, but you mean to
tell me that there's no real clean.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Footage of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And I don't think people can keep secrets, So I
just I can't buy into it without some form of proof,
and it sure seems like the proof is usually much
easier to obtain than it is in this.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Aspect.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Who's playing the UFO scene from The Brady Bunch in
the background. Come on, that's wise.
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He's got a new series out on Showtime and I
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show about the one on one league. Can't wait to
ask you about a myriad a myriad of NBA topics
that's fifteen minutes away. Wait to hear what Jerry Jones
said about the running back market. And then Daniel Jeremiah
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will join us next hour. Actually, DJ is out at
Chargers Camp today. Chargers Camp is fairly close to where
I live, and I know he was out there earlier.
Today we'll ask Kim about I think what we want
to talk about the lead topic, which is justin Herbert
gets a new contract or contract extension. So that's the
show today. Plus we have a really good midway. I'm
(01:29):
torn on the midway here. I know our plan was
would you sign up to do a reality show, but
I'm wondering, you know, for the podcast, I want to
do a little UFO talk because there's that dude who
was an Air Force pilot who's claiming that the government
has was it non human non human remains? Yeah, there's
a UFO hearing. And there's a new term as well,
(01:52):
which I had not heard before, a UAP jaycedu.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
What's a UAP again? Unidentified phenomenon?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Which the P is so misleading there because it's pronounced like.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
F yes yes, so a U A P.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
This This feels like, you know, just potato patato. This
feels like what used to be a stewardess is now
a flight attendant. Everybody's now an actor. That doesn't make
any sense to me that everybody's an actor, but apparently
everybody's an actor, and UFOs an identified fly an object
is now an unidentified aviation phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Aerial phenomenon?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Aerial phenomenon, aerial phenomenon. Who is the guy who's like,
you know, we got to change this.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's not completely accurate what we're doing with UFOs.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We need who is the person? This is? This is what?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What's This is the part of new age society which
all of us old guys are yelling, get.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Off my lawn.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
There was never a moment where like, you know, UFO
is somehow offensive and.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
We got to change it. I don't know, all right,
Tracey McGrady.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
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Sayprogressive dot com. Justin Herbert's new deal, which technically the
(03:30):
final tally comes out as the hugest contract ever. Look
into the details and it's like one hundred and thirty
three million guaranteed. And I think I think the part
that is bizarre is what I've seen in some parts
of media, but a lot of social media, which is well,
(03:50):
Pat Mahomes is a discount. Now he's the biggest discount
in NFL history.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Like, Okay, the way it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Works when you sign a long term contract extension is
it protects you and it's got to on some level
protect the team. And if you look at the details
of the Chiefs deal, which without any question will be
redone at some point in time, if you look at
the details of the Chiefs deal, you start to realize
that he protected himself by getting just a ton of
(04:23):
money long term deal, loves the system, loves what he's in,
doesn't want to move. All of that stuff just all
makes sense to him. And they protected themselves by we
just we're not going to keep going back to the
well we got cost certainty. Once you get to fifty
million dollars a year, you should be pretty good. There's
also the idiot on social media talking about a contract
(04:46):
that he signed three years ago. Look, that's three years ago.
That money is in the bank, that money is making
more money every penny he has that wasn't spent in
taxes is making more money?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Why?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I Like when you win the lottery, they always tell
you take all the money up front because that money
makes money if you know what you're doing. And when
you get to this, when you get to this number
of commas to commas, you have somebody. You'll usually hire
somebody good and it's not impossible, but it's very, very
difficult to blow it all. But the one big takeaway
(05:24):
I have is I don't care what Emmanuel Acho says.
I don't care what social media idiot says. If you
can't see how good Justiner Herbert is the easiest way
to point out how good he is. There's not an
NFL analyst, anyone associated with the league who covers the
(05:46):
league who sit there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Going like Herbert, how much that's too much? Does it
mean he's gonna win a Super Bowl? It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Does it mean that the Chargers have achieved as much
success as they should? I mean they're up twenty seven
and twenty nothing last year in the playoffs and couldn't
win the game against Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It doesn't mean he's perfect, But there isn't a soul
who has legitimacy in NFL circles that sits there and
goes like, I can't believe they signed just to Herbert
to a big deal, but I've actually heard that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, I did want to playoff. I won a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, playoff games are hard to win, you know, but
not one I was batted, not a single one. And
we have where it looked for a while like, man,
are we going to have a next generation of quarterbacks?
Because the Breeze thing, the Brady thing, the Rivers thing,
(06:45):
those lasted even in Rodgers, they lasted way longer than
previous generations, and there wasn't really a next regime.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Now there is.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Mahome is obviously the best and most accomplished, and then
you got Burrow and Herbert. Like, you know, people believe
Jalen Hurts. I would only say about Jalen Hurts obviously
is way better than we thought. The sustainability of how
good will he be when new offensive coordator? But also
at some point in time when that contract hits the
(07:16):
you know, hits the salary cap, can he carry a team?
But we have our next generation, our next regime of
all young quarterbacks, and Burrow's the next one to get signed,
that'll get done. And as they said, we got a
bunch of other guys to sign as well.
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from the tyrack dot com Studios. He's a Hall of Famer,
he was a seven time All Star. He led the
NBA in scoring All NBA First Team twice. He's tracing
Mr Grady of course. He also owned and runs the OBL.
That's the Ones Basketball League and they actually have a
show out new show out on Showtime. It's a series
(08:07):
called Bonded by Ball Inside the OBL, and he joins
us on the Doug Gottlieb Shaw on Fox Sports Radio. Tracy,
what what led you to want to start the OBL?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Just giving back to the basketball community to guys that
I think if you're a basketball fan should know about
these guys that participated in OBL on this platform that
have a unique skill set in one on one. You know,
it really stems from me being a unknown basketball player
(08:41):
in Central Florida and when I completed my junior season
in high school as a guy that was affiliated with
Adidas came down to my school to give me an
opportunity to participate in this platform that Sonny Baccaro created
called ABCD Camp. Sure, I think about this camp, and
(09:02):
so I go there. I'm hearing about all these top
players in the nation that I read about, and you know,
I play. I have a great camp. I go from
unknown to be the number one player in the country
in high school my senior year, and that's because of
this platform. And nothing really changed about me as a
back basketball player is just you know, the exposure that
(09:24):
I gained from this. And you know, when you talk
about basketball, if the pure essence of one on one
is the pure essence of it. So creating this platform
for guys that I know that are not on an
NBA roster, that are not on a G league roster,
but have a unique skill set for the basketball fans
to see, I figure, why not create this UFC created
(09:45):
for their fighters. I can create this for my basketball
players to create superstars out of this league.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a great idea that the question becomes, can you
get it to where you know, the NBA the best
one on one NBA players to dissipate, right, so, because
because that's what I don't know if it brings credibility,
but that gives us a sense of just how good
somebody is. But the problem with the NBA players is,
and tell me if I'm wrong, they don't want to lose.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It is a no way situation for some of those dudes.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I think eventually it'll be a part of All Star Weekend.
I think it has to be because you know, All
Star Weekend is kind of dry now. There's really no
great excite entertainment. The Slam Dunk Contest is not what
it used to be, the All Star Game is not
what it used to be. So I think they got
to brain some new found energy and I think one
(10:38):
on one back well could be the case for it.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Obviously, you famously went straight out of high school to
the NBA. Your first year was rough, right, Uh, you've
even described it as as hell. Now, guys they can't
go they can't go straight out of high school, but
they can't go to the G League. They go overseas,
they go play in college where then get NI If
you were coming out now, what would be the path
(11:02):
you choose.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Oh, no, separate way. The wind blows. Man. You know,
these kids are getting you know, millions of dollars to
in nil to stay in college. So and a lot
of stories that I hear is college was a fun car.
Who knows, I probably would have, you know, went to
Kentucky for a year and probably had a million or
(11:26):
two in nil deal booster or the team comes back
and say, we'll give you some more to stay another year. Like,
I don't know how to win? Is gonna blow? Man?
There's so much going on out here in amateur sports
and college sports and in the NBA. I don't know.
I couldn't tell you, Doug fair.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Enough, all right, how about this one? You know?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Another famous part of your career was you didn't have
good playoffs success. I mean, how many years in Houston
did y'allming get hurt? You just anything that could go
wrong in the playoffs went wrong for your teams in
the playoffs. So I'm wondering as you watch Damian Lillard
knowing you still made the Hall of Fame, but you're
not considered at the level that all of your accolades
(12:10):
should be. Like, you're not in the discussion of the
all time greats, even though based upon how dynamic you were,
you probably should be. So so it comes down to
your teams didn't win enough in the playoffs. How do
you feel about watching Damian Lillard now finally say, you
know what, enough's enough. I got to get to Miami
somewhere I can beat in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Yeah, I think if anybody deserves to make that statement
and wanting to leave a franchise and Dame, I mean,
he's given Portland everything you could you can want out
of a player, and not just on the basketball court,
but he's a great ambassador in the community as well.
So I'm hoping that he could find a home that
(12:54):
to where he can compete for a championships because I
think he deserves that. He's given Portland everything that you
know he could possibly give them, But it's time to
move on and compete before it's too late.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Paul Pierce has come out and said, hey, look, man,
I was better than Dwayne Wade. I just didn't get
the attention of Dwayne Wade. I'll allow you because that
was your era in the league. Paul Pierce or Dwayne Wade,
who do you think is better.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
They? I mean listen, both was great, man. I can't
sit here and say one was better than the others.
Paul won a championship with older Ray Allen, with the
older Kevin Garnett. You know, had he had some some
of the young players like a young Lebron and young
Chris Bosh, I think he would have won more championship.
All just based on the line of who you play
(13:41):
with and what you was able to do with what
you have. And you know, I think when Paul finally
got some talent around him, he won a championship. Dwayne
Wade was you know, ugly in the conversation the top
five greatest shoes out of all time because he won talent.
Barg they both are great. I don't know who's better,
but they both the great talents and they both played
(14:03):
different different, different positions on the basketball court.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
If if if Victor eban Yama came and sat down
next to you and said, t mac, I watched your tape, man,
just show me the way, what would you tell him
about about being so young and about evolving into an
NBA star.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well, I don't have to be that because he's around
that you know greatness. I mean, you're talking about coach Popp,
You're talking about Tim Duncan and David Robinson. Like he's
surrounded by greatness. He's going to get the best advice
that anyone could give him. So t mac has not
competed on the level that he's surrounded by. That's you know,
(14:44):
it was going to be his ear every single day.
So my advice don't mean anything to what. You know.
These guys are going to get him on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He don't need to hear from me, all right, I
mean you could give him a pretty good guy. All right.
How about this.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You were in San Antonio right twenty thirteen on that
NBA Finals run where you have Game six one you
got it one missing pre throws and of course Round
hits the three. But you were the What do you
remember about that game?
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I just I remember thinking, Dad, I'm actually about to
see an NBA a celebration of winning the championship. Like
up sitting on the bench, locked arms, thinking we about
to win. You see the staffers roll out the tape,
they bringing out the trophy. I'm like, then this is
(15:39):
really happening. So I'm living in the moment, right, But
then Tim Duncan is sitting over here on the sideline,
they get that rebound, kick it out to Ray hit
the three. It was like, just crush everything. Man. It's
like the life was sucked out of the team after
that fault on that and it was just it was
a sad moment. Not that you know, if we would
(16:03):
have won a championship, I would have been head over
heels and excited about winning because me, you know, the
level that I played on, I would want to go
through the journey and the fire with those guys. And
that didn't happen for me. I was really just like
a Renter player because Pop called me at the end
of that season and told me that they had some
injuries that just needed an extra body. So, you know,
(16:25):
just for me to be a part of that experience,
it was great in itself, but man, that shot Bro,
it just really it took the life out of that team.
And then going back to Game seven, I just knew
we wasn't gonna win Game seven because you just felt
the energy was just different. It shifted.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, I sorry to bring up that tough moment, but
I just you were there, so I had to I
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(17:05):
course the commissioner, the guy who runs it, he's invented
this scene is the one and only Hall of Famer
Tracy McGrady.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Tracy, thanks so much for your time. Man. Let's catch
up soon.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Thank you appreciation there.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, that's Tea Mac join us Stuck Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. That was fun. It was
fun to catch up with Tracey McGrady. That man he's
talking about is a son of a Caro. Of course
he's part of that was that air was the movie Air. Yeah,
that was sunny and ABCD camp was where I wasn't
discovered there, but like I went there two years in
(17:36):
a row. My first year was ninety three in Yips
to Lanty, Michigan, and I was up and down.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
My second year I was.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I had a great camp and I got scholarship all
first from everywhere. It's amazing what opportunity, opportunity can do.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I love this quote.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So Jerry Jones spoke out about the running back mark
in the current economic system the team works with. I
want you to take a look listen to this, because
remember Jerry famously paid Ezekie Elliott early and we said
it was a mistake of the time.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
It turned out to be a mistake.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And oh yeah, by the way, at the time he
had Tony Pollard and it felt like I don't know
if he could have played a hard ball with Zeke
or at least let Zeke play out his contract much
like Maney of these teams are doing. So does did
Jerry learn from that situation? Here's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
There's no free lunch. You have to weigh the impact
to the team on every decision that you make, and
the system will cause it to evolve. And the system
has gotten more relative to the budgets that you have.
It's gotten more quarterback friendly and less running back friendly.
(18:44):
That isn't just the Cowboys. That's the game as it
is today.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's true now you could point out how much teams
that have paid their quarterback at the top of the market,
with the exception of the Chiefs have struggled to win
in the play. That's fair, but it's easier to point
out how you know, you could go back two decades
and you'd be hard pressed with a couple exceptions, you'd
(19:13):
be hard pressed to find the the guy, okay, who
has exceeded expectations or even lived up to expectation that
second contract. Adrian Peterson would probably be one of the
only ones. But even Adrian Peterson remember fairly limited as
far as catching the ball out of the backfield. And
(19:36):
you know he like he of course came back, was
n nofinal MVP after and and Comeback Player of the
Year after coming back from the ACL injury. But basically
Jerry Jones like, look, the market dictates these things we don't,
and teams are finally getting smart. It's much like the
if you don't have a star quarterback, your best your
(19:56):
better bet. Your best bet is having a rookie quarterback
making little money. Yes, the quarterback money is obscene, but
that's about half the league. The other half of the
league is on rookie quarterback deals and that's how you build.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Up your roster. That's all part of the economics, you know,
it's all part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Look at what Seattle was able to do last year
when they had two quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Neithery've made very much money. They end up with Gino.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Now they pay Geno, I think what twenty this year,
But compared to other people, it's not that much.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They may be overpaying him, but.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
They're like, look, you're fine, you're good. Now we can
continue to fill out our roster with more talented players.
That's all the balance of the salary cap. And it
just doesn't make any sense except to people's emotions, that
you overpay running backs.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think, I truthfully, honestly think that Jerry Jones, for
the first time ever, is the voice of reason in
the economy of the National Football League economy nash footballague.
Now do you guys hear this where the Bills are
reportedly trying to play hardball with name Hyms because he
(21:19):
was injured in a jet ski accident. And it's interesting, right, like,
could they say, hey, dude, it wasn't your fault.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Somebody crashed into you. I don't know. That's a tough one.
It's a tough one.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
We mean they could, right, yes, Doug.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
But the problem is is that I wonder if he
had something in this contract that. I mean, even though
he didn't actually go out there himself and hit somebody,
somebody hit him, he's still in a dangerous situation.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, I guess, yeah, I mean, I don't know, Like
you don't think all these guys jet ski or do
something fun. Like you're on a boat and somebody else's
boat and something happens, something flies up and hits you
in the head and you're out for a couple weeks.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
In this case, he's out for the year's crew.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, I guess it's one of those things. It's like
the old you could drive a car with your feet,
but that doesn't make it a good idea. It's a
good point you now, you could take back his money
and with old his money, but that doesn't necessarily make
it a good idea. On the other hand, if he's
not liked within the locker room and you think he's
(22:34):
a waste of money and you don't care, then by
all means. By the way, speaking of running backs, here's
Najee Harris. He had this to say about Saquon Barkley's
contract in the running back.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
Market, accumulated for almost thirty percent of the offense, Like,
why can't you look at that and say, okay, well,
you know he said, he's not trying to break the
market or set the market, but he's trying to get
a conversated of what he think is fair, which they
think what two parts should think is fair too. And
I think that I know that they know themselves that
that ain't fair what he's getting. You know, he wanted
a long contract to know the security. Then right now
(23:05):
he doesn't have no security. You know, right now they're
just going to probably utilize him the same way, and
if something happens in the again, they're gonna probably look
somewhere else. Matter what is the security that we have.
We don't have no security right now. You guys are
using us to accomplish what you guys want, and then
when it's time for us to re up or acts
for something that we think is right, you guys just
turn the cheek and say, well you have you have
wear and tear. It's like, come on now, bro, like
(23:26):
you know what you're trying to do. You're trying to
utilize us as much as you can get the much
of out you can out of us for cheating and
then you know, I mean, go get another back or
something like that and try to do the same thing again.
That's the trend that is happening right now.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think that the part the nause Harris And look,
Nase's a bright dude, but there's the he doesn't have
any security. Okay, he was offered a multi year extension,
it just wasn't at the amount that he thought he
should get. And you know, the perfect ent like Dalvin Cook,
and I know he's got a bad shoulder and some
(24:06):
off the field stuff, but look at the list of
guys that are unsigned. They can hold out as long
as they want, but the market has dictated that teams
don't have to give him a long, multi year deal.
And yeah, he had thirty percent of the offense, but
if he doesn't play, somebody else is going to account
for at least twenty percent of the offense. You may
(24:27):
not be as good, but if you could have that
ten million, eleven million dollars to move around, maybe could
be as good. You get two players for that, two
running backs for that, and they would they would, you know,
they would earn up to thirty percent of the offense.
Just we're comparing these raw stats and this thought of hey,
I carry the ball, so I'm important with the reality
(24:50):
is that those feelings aren't shared and it hasn't proven
to be successful for.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
A long time in the NFL. For a long time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He is really hard to sustain a level of success
and dominance as a running back. And as you get older,
you're gonna need more help from your offensive line and
you're gonna have to make less money because you're gonna
get banged up, You're gonna play less. Like this is
just I mean it, I don't really I understand the
argument because it's a it's feeling based argument. He's in
(25:22):
the fact that he's trying to use is a thirty
percent of the offense. Okay, no one's disputing that he's good.
Giants offered him a multi ye extension. He turned it down.
It just wasn't at the mount that he wanted. They're
trying to manage their books. He doesn't go into the
owner or GM's pocket. It goes to another player. And
(25:44):
while you can say, hey, you shouldn't pay Daniel Jones
that much, I'd say the pushback would be that, I mean,
he's not close to the highest paid. It feels like
he's paid little bit more, but he's paid a little
bit more because his contract is shorter. And I'm, you know,
just to guess. I don't know how many years say
Quan's deal with the Giants was. But the shorter you
(26:04):
shorter the contract, the more you can make. The longer
the contract, the more the guarantees, the less you can
at least the less you can make. And for a quarterback,
what's essentially a two year deal is not a long
term deal.
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Speaker 8 (27:30):
Doug, chances are that fun and intrigue is straight ahead?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
What are the chances?
Speaker 3 (27:35):
All right, Doug?
Speaker 8 (27:36):
What are the chances that Josh Jacobs plays for the
Raiders in week one of the regular season?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Ninety eight percent.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
That's the height of confidence. Uh why do you feel
so confident in that?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Because he makes ten points one million dollars.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
So no further explanation necessary on that one, by the way,
So sorry, in advance, you only have a two percent
chance there, Denver Broncos fans, that's who the Raiders are
facing in Week one, staying in the AFC West. Doug,
what are the chances that the Los Angeles Chargers play
(28:20):
deep into the playoffs this season?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
The Chargers deep in the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, I like it?
Speaker 8 (28:30):
Okay, all right? And why is that?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
They have better talent than I think just about anybody
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Boy, from your lips to the NFL god's ears, because
I've thought similar things the last two seasons.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We all know, I mean, last year they didn't have
a Shawn Slater, right.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, they had, they had. You know, Bosa was hurt
most of last year as well. So again, if healthy,
they have a very good roster.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
And by the way, this is totally under the radar,
but they actually hired a new athletic trainer this season,
which Chargers fans are actually hoping makes a difference now.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Offensive coordinator, yes, compartitor, make difference.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Now that Justin Herbert's extension is done. Doug, what are
the chances that Joe Burrows deal gets done this week?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
This week?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I'd say pretty like, I'd say fifty five percent chance
it's done this week. The problem with the Joe Burrow
deal is that it has to there's other deals that
have to I believe, you know, other deals have to
be done as well, and they're trying to make it
all work together. You know, Cincinnati doesn't love spending money,
but this idea that Cincinnati won't pay him. Remember Carson
Palmer grant, he tore his mee the very next game. Yeah,
(29:50):
Arsa Palmer once upon time sign the biggest contract NFL history.
He was a Cincinnati Bengal.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
They kept him in house until fate entered. So Calvin
Ridley his last full season before he got suspended for gambling.
He was playing, obviously for the Atlanta Falcons. Ninety receptions
for one three hundred and seventy four yards and nine touchdowns. Doug,
what are the chances that Calvin Ridley this season for
(30:17):
the Jacksonville Jaguars makes the Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Makes a Pro Bowl?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Everybody makes a Pro Bowl. So I'm going to go
seventy five percent chance.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
You know that I actually made the Pro Bowl last
year as a special teamer. That makes sense, and I
turned it down. Actually, actually I had to decline because
of injury, a hangnail, as it turned out. So I
have two questions left. One of them is a sports question,
but I'm actually sort of more interested in your answer
to the non sports question given what you were discussing earlier, Doug,
(30:49):
what are the chances that we have indisputable proof of
the existence of extra terrestrials by the end of, say,
the year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
What are the chances we have a proof of extraterrestrial
indisputable proof?
Speaker 8 (31:07):
Oh uh, okay, all right, I'm not gonna have nightmares
then for the next two years. That's good to know.
And finally, Leonel Messi has already scored three goals in
two games during his brief tenure with Inter Miami. What
are the chances that Messi continues to score at a
(31:30):
similar pace for the rest of the Major League Soccer season?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
How long is that.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Till like October? That's kind of when the playoffs begin?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I think pretty good. Let's see here. I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Eight.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Goodness, he's one of the great players in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He's not what he used to be, but that's not
close to his level of comp'll he'll be fine.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
This is game time on the Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
All right, let's let's have this discussion. We'll have it
more in the pod.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But Ilo, are you a Are you a believer in
extraterrestrial life?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
No, I'm serious?
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Yeah, explains a lot. Yeah, Mathematically, the universe is just
too big and whoever is out there is just too
intelligent to make their presence felt by us. We're staying
away from those weird o's.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, okay.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
The point of having extra trust or life is I
do not I agree with the question is, do you
believe that they visited.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Us and had an interplanetary tete a tet with certain people?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I don't think they need to have a tet a tet?
Do you think they visited us? Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
What the heck?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Why not?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
I think a lot of the evidence out there is mistake,
an identity, or lies or physical.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Or some sort of government experiment or something else.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
I'll tell you what I don't if aliens live among us,
They're most likely working somewhere in sports media. I'll leave
it at.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That, Jay Stu, where are you on on if we
have been contacted by if? First, do you believe in
I believe you believe in extra trust your life? But
do you believe it's traveled here?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And yes, I think that there's a there is an ignorance.
If you think that there there has not been life
forms outside of our planet, then that's ignorant. It's arrogant.
You don't want to know, And I understand that's a
that's a part of this, Doug. The more I think
about this, I think this is one of those things
where people are just overwhelmed by the thought of it
(33:46):
and they just don't even want to accept it. Like,
to me, that's where does all the garbage go? I
don't know where it goes, but I don't really want
to know. It's overwhelming and depressing to me. And I
think for somebody to say that there's there's extra trustrial
life or UFOs that uncovers a lot of expansive thinking
(34:07):
and people don't like to put that much thought into things.
But yes, I think that more advanced life has exists
for thousands and thousands of years before us, and they
come in. They do ex surveillance and stuff, I'm sure,
and we just in recent years have had the technology,
whether it be our actual cell phone or the satellite technology,
(34:31):
military technology to detect these things. The question is who
has the information and who has the what did Donald's
other ones say in JFK, who has the power to
cover it up?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
The problem with that is that it's not just cell
phone cameras. There are literally cameras everywhere, right, And I
think the perfect example of this is if you remember
when they how they figured out Aaron Hernandez was you know,
guilty of murder. Was they, you know, pinged his cell
(35:06):
phone off cell phone towers and tracked his exact whereabouts
that night, and then there's video.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Evidence to support it. So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Do I believe that there is life outside of intelligent
life on Earth? Yes, and I would dispute that all
life on Earth is intelligent obviously, But do I think
that there's this massive government cover up over UFOs. I
just find it hard to believe without Like, there's so
(35:34):
many cameras in the world, and granted many of them
not pointed up to the sky, but you mean to
tell me that there's no real clean.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Footage of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
And I don't think people can keep secrets, So I
just I can't buy into it without some form of proof,
and it sure seems like the proof is usually much
easier to obtain than it is in this.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Aspect.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Who's playing the UFO scene from The Brady Bunch in
the background. Come on, that's wise.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
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