July 27, 2023 • 45 mins
On the Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the comments made by Broncos head coach Sean Payton in USA Today about former head coach Nathanial Hackett and current GM George Paton.
Doug predicts what is going to happen with Shohei Ohtani in the next few months.
Doug weighs in on the latest with the running back market. Former NFL Exec Joe Banner joins Doug to talk about the running back situation, Sean Payton and other major headlines around the NFL.
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Dodger fans. Angels are up six to nothing and show hey,
tany pitch a gem. I'm sure he's out now. It's
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the top of the eighth inning, top of the eighth
inning in the start of a double header, and the
big news in Major League Baseball is shoe Hey Otani
is no longer on the on the market. Instead, the
Angels are like, we're not sellers, were buyers? Huh ah?
Get to that in the moment. Big story in football today.
(01:26):
I guess there's a couple. Jalen Ramsey went down with
an injury. Don't have an update on that, but he
was carted off. That's not good. It was lower leg
that means knee also not good. And then who wasn't
for the Jets who he walked off under his own power?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, Garrett Wilson, star wide receiver, a very talented wide
receiver for the Jets. Looked like something happened, but he
was not carted off. So we'll get an update for
you on on both of those gentlemen upcoming. ILO's in
the update chair. Of course, you got Jay stew and
John Ramos. This is Doug Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Tradio,
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a one hour live pod which drops after this show
called in the Bonus, and we'll get to we'll also
get to Colorado in the show and out of the show,
Colorado rejoining the Big twelve. But this is the story
of the day in the NFL, is that Sean Payton
just goes I guess General Sherman right, and he completely
(02:27):
burns down everything that took place in Denver last year
and frankly his boss this year in Denver. Quote, it
doesn't happen often when where an NFL team or organization
gets embarrassed. That happened here. Part it was their own
fault relative to spending too much effing time trying to
(02:48):
win the offseason pr the pomp circumstance, the marching people around,
all this stuff. We're not doing any of that. The
Jets did that this year. You watch hard Knocks, all
of it. I can see it coming. Remember when Dan
Sneyder put that being team together. I was with the
Giants in two thousand. I was a young coach and thought,
how are we going to compete with them? Deon Sanders
over there they won eight games whatever, So listen, just
(03:10):
put in the work. There's so much dirt around that.
There's twenty dirty hands for what was allowed tolerated in
fricking training rooms and meeting rooms. The offense. I don't know,
Nathaniel Hackett. I know a lot of people had dirt
on their hands. It wasn't just Russell. He didn't just flip.
He still has it. This bs is he's hit a wall.
(03:31):
Shoot They couldn't get in a play. They were twenty
ninth in the league in prestat penalties and both sides
of the ball. So he throws Nathaniel Hackett completely under
the bus. He does, honestly the same, does some damage
to George Patton, his general manager, I guess in his boss.
(03:54):
I mean, take a listen to this quote. That wasn't
his fault, him being Russell Wilson. Now was the parents
who allowed it. That's not an incrimination on him, but
incrimination on the head coach of the GM, the president
and everybody who watched it happen. Now, a quarterback having
an office and a place to watch film is normal,
but all these things get magnified when you're losing and
(04:16):
other stuff. I've never heard of it. We're not doing that. So,
in an effort to tell everybody there's a new sheriff
in town, in an effort to take the criticism away
from his quarterback, he destroys Nathaniel Hackett and does damage
(04:37):
to George Patten, who technically is his boss. Now there's
part of me the broadcast. Doug says, at a boy,
give us the good stuff, give us the real stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Tell us how you really feel.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But then there's the sports guy in me, the coaching
background in me, that says, what are you doing? And
then there's the other part of the opinion, which people
may not want to hear. This is why some teams
didn't pull the trigger. Like, there's a lot of reasons
the Chargers didn't fire Brandon Staley. This is one of them.
(05:19):
Because Sean Payton is a really good coach. Don't believe me.
Just ask him, Okay, just ask him, and he's gonna
want his own guys in there. Case in point, Remember
he turned down the Broncos job and only took the
Broncos job when they were in complete desperation and they
massively overpaid for him. So he doesn't respect George Patten
(05:43):
at all. If he did, you know, he wouldn't say
any of this. It's a very you can sit. Here's
the same How about the same quotes. I don't put
most of it, all of it. Put a very small
fraction of it on Russell. You know, there's a different
(06:04):
coaching staff that did things a different way, and we're
not doing it that way.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
We're gonna do it my way.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I believe it's time tested, it works. I learned from
Bill Parcells. I've been doing this myself for twenty years
and I think it works. And I don't blame anyone
for anything that could be deemed a mistake. Last year,
last year was last year. This is a completely new year.
How does that quote work as opposed to this one?
This one destroys the Daniel Hackett And look, he's not wrong.
(06:31):
It was a disaster, but you don't say that. You
don't say it. It may feel good to you, but
it's like sugar man up and then daddy like man.
By the way, what happens if Russell Wilson really doesn't
have it anymore because he wasn't good at the end
(06:52):
of his Seahawks run, was he? And you got him
under contract for three more seasons counting this season guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So if he.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Staying, you're stuck with him, which is why you're saying
things report to support him. I get it, we all
get it. We all understand the game here. But there's
a way to do it without completely trashing the entire
coaching staff in front office, some of whom remain with you,
remain with you.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I was off doing bong rips with teenagers and this
is what have you guys seen the vide You've seen
the video of of Uh, you haven't seen the video?
Oh yeah, there's a there's an epic video of Sean
Payton last year with younger dudes doing a couple of
bong rips.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's outstanding.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
But the it doesn't mean he's wrong, but he's wrong
to say it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
This makes sense.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It just it doesn't mean you're wrong, but you're wrong.
And we all know instances like that, but specifically at work.
And you can sit here and go, well, hey, this
is clearly his last job. He takes the TV mentality
he's on. You know, he doesn't care anymore. That's great,
that's great. But he also basically told you that his
(08:18):
gentle manager, the guy who's technically his boss, was more
interested in winning press conferences and the offseason last year
and the circus than actually winning football games. And that's
not exactly a relationship builder between the two.
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But like, when you're really a friend that this is
our When you're really a friend, you go hey no. Now,
(09:03):
when you're really a friend, you go hey no. But
you don't bail on the dude, right, You just go like,
did you need to?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Did you need to make Nathaniel Hackett look like a
complete clown? Did you have to?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
This is why in football games you don't run up
a score stop for the it's it's you just you
don't clown people.
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if your dreams? If no one's laughing at your dreams,
they may not be big enough. Has ever heard that?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
No, that's a good one, though.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You like that one? Okay? You guys are laughing at
the Angels dreams.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Laughing.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yep, no I swim.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, they laughing. So give me your Okay, let's start
with Ramos. Give me your best guess on what happens
with the Angels. They won the first game of their doubleheader.
They take on the Tigers in starts in about ten
minutes for game two. So they are at fifty three
and forty nine right now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
All right, They'll win the second game, They'll win the
sleep yep, they'll sweep. And then they got twenty five
games coming up, tough games. They go.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Ten and fifteen in that run.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Ten and fifteen in that rune. Okay, so that and
that will not be good enough to get them in
the playoff.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
They have Toronto upcoming on the road after Detroit, short trip,
and then they have a Landa on the road. That's
a tough tough stretch there, right, tough tough stretch.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But then Seattle at home, San Francisco at home to
Houston two Texas, yikes, Tampa, who's faltering? Cincinnati at home?
Ooh ooh, okay, I want.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
To see Cincinnati play.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think I get we might have to go to
that series, then to New York, to Philadelphia, to Oakland, Baltimore, Cleveland. Hmmm,
only have only have they have two more series with Oakland.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's good. Took up five of those, right if that's
what the that if that's what you're looking forward to
as the winds and positivity, that's not very good.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But I mean, like, look, those are those are wins?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, they are wins.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Agree times five of them. You're gonna win, Jay Stu,
What do you think happens with the Angels?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
So?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think I think they'll play like five hundred ball.
They'll finish above five hundred. I think Phil Nevin will
get an extension and show Hey will walk and never
see Anaheim again. They won't make the playoffs. Nevin will
go to get the extension and show Hey will play
I think for the Dodgers, but he won't play for
the Angels. That's that's my prediction, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I love what's your prediction?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
It's time for Dodger baseball.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I know I know that everybody's predicting it goes to
the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Oh no, I was just this year. I was just
greeting you. Now, my heart said, I'm such a you don't.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Get to do the heart set. Tell me what you
think happens.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
All right, they they barely missed the playoffs, yet they
still finish ahead of the Yankees and Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Why does that matter they missed it.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
I'm just trying to annoy you certain listeners out there.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think they make the playoffs. I think Trout comes
back and he's kicking a taking names. You know, they've
already added two arms. I think they'll add another arm,
another bat. I think they'll be a good team. I
think they'll make the playoffs. Yes, and this is more
(13:24):
a heart than head. All right, but look at the
wild Look at the wild card standings as of now,
three and a half back of the Blue Jays. They
take on the Blue Jays in a three game set.
I don't know, I just I feel like oton. One
of the things that has impressed me about Otani, and
it's really hard to tell, is is our dude's competitors.
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And when things were bad, what turned around this the
Angel season was show Hey, Otani was hitting bombs, getting
on base, great ball. And then today, after being given
word yesterday they weren't going to trade him. He goes
out and pitches a complete game one hitter. That dude's
a competitor. I think Trout's a competitor. I think they're
(14:13):
gonna pull this thing off. I just too Yankees appear
to be fizzling. Red Sox haven't done much all year,
although they've won their last four. Blue Jayser and Astros
are good. Toronto has and and Tampa has completely hit
the hit the skids, all right, So other stories working
today real fast.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I was, so, are you willing to put a wager
on that? And I was thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I have really good I have really good odds, okay,
because they have to leap frog three teams three teams
in order to get to the wild card.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yep. If the Angels make the make the playoffs, I
will buy you lunch. And if the Angels don't make
the playoffs, then you buy us watch.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That's not good odds.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's even odds, right as far as you know.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Not even because there's two of you, there's only one.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
No, no, he has to buy Doug has to buy dinner.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
To be different, they should have to buy me.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I just tried to do Jedi trick dinner.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I should have to buy like a pizza. It's it's
far more likely that the Angels don't make the playoffs
than they do make that.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, we all agree, yes, okay, so it's more likely
that they won't than the odds had to be.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The odds of it the opposite of what I correct.
I tried to do a Jedi mind trick on you.
I was hoping you'd agree to them.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
By the way, that was Jason, mynd tricks only work
on the weeknd.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
These are not the droids you're looking for. Those are
exactly the droids I'm looking for. Didn't work at all.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And by the way, don't throw Isaac and I in there,
because I had nothing to do with that exact wager.
That was all Jason Stuart. So I agree with you.
By the way, you are correct, that is not an
even everybody agrees with me.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I think simple math agrees with okay.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So let's can you repropose like a better.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean, I guess the wager would be, I, uh
we buy you a really uh nice bottle of your
favorite liquor if the Angels make the playoffs, and if
they if they don't make the playoffs, which are not
they're not supposed to. Then you buy us lunch.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, I'll buy a what's the pizza place that's really
good around there?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Mulberry?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Oh delicious, right right, I'll buy two large pies.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
It's about fifty bucks.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Two large pies. If they don't make the playoffs, let's
do it. If they do make the playoffs. I don't
want a large bottle of lit.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
You don't want to. You don't want a top shelf
bottle of liquor? No, you didn't know who turns that down? Doug?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No, I know like you're talking like the Johnny Walker
I got you for your birthday.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh it's delicious, yes, top shelf label, blue label? How
much was it?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
How much it is left?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Uh? Probably like three quarters of it. I only I
only drink it on a very special locations.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh yeah, like when the Angels make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
That's a good point. I like to keep it in
my my little liquor area. So people when people walk in,
they're like, WHOA, whoa blue label? WHOA you work in radio?
How do you have blue label? Johnny Walk?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You rom used to buy blue label all the time.
Let's not who you kidding? Right, very generous guy, Bro
Jason bro Bro part of the x R four T
I come get the blue label.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
How about how about we buy a car detail for
your car.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
In deal?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
What's this?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
We business on that?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But all three of us are on board, right, I
have to be Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
No offense, Isaac. But I mean it's not really taken.
None taken you guys okay with that? That's fair.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I'm co signing on this, and I bet buyers signs
up on this too.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Uh that's better. Odds okay?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Is that when they wash your tires and stuff? Huh?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
A detail?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They washed everything?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, everything after Doug's daughter got through with it. It
needs details.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
She actually, this is the real thing. So she she works,
She doesn't go a traditionalize show. She works at her barn.
So at her barn, they have these guys that come
I think every other week and it's like forty bucks
and they clean your car right there. And I was like, dude,
drive my car down there that every day. So I
think they're coming tomorrow. I need that one. She's like, no,
(18:35):
I'm driving my car there Tomorrow's like, I'm gonna take
my car down there as well. This will not be
a forty dollars joby though, I just just see war
like a right.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I was going to say, forty bucks is less than
the amount for the pizzas, so it's got.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
To be more than that detail is typically two hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, it's aout two hundre bucks after tip after tip.
By the way our tip discussion, you would not believe
the volume of texts I've gotten from friends on tipping.
And I have some friends that say all services need
to be tipped, like with all services. So like I
go to the joint they do the chiropractor work, that's
(19:08):
a service. Do I tip that guy?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
No, of course not no.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
A friend of mine tried to get me to tip
dog grooming. Do you tip on dog grooming? I was like, no,
I bring my dogs in I have, they have my
credit card on file, they wash my dogs. They tell
me when to come pick it up. I come pick
it up.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Do we tip there?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
What?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's their job. That's what they're you're paying for. You're
paying for that service.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Right, Like you get tip because they're My theory is
you get do tip people is because when you sit
down to eat or do something, you don't move or
anything the everything you don't go like go get get
the food.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So why don't you tip it like Chipotle when you
just kind of walk through the line.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, they and then you take it, but you're there
because yeah, you're there.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I would there is five steps between there.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I got there. There is a tip jar there at
most places, right they got to store. They always try
and get you when you check out.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yes, I loove I got one.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Do you tip when you pick up takeout because you
pay with the credit card and it has a little
tip thing there?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Negative?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
What about when you go to a store and you
pay with credit card and the device comes up and
it flashes tip fifteen person standing right there?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
What am I buying?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Von's the bagel place down the street. Let's let's say
that generally, no, no, can I hang out with you?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Sometimes restaurants restaurants like tip yes you know, uh I
And honestly, like uber Eats or whatever, I tip right
when they bring like pizza, they bring you food to
your door and you see them.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, absolutely, yes.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, we got in this discuss the other day.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I lough.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I think you're off because I also try and round
up so it's even And then we got into percentages,
and these guys are like twenty percent. Like twenty percent,
I need like a neck massage in addition to my food,
and all of my drinks need to always be topped off.
I will say one reason I do I have a
better sense of how much I should tip is you
(21:16):
guys know.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
My drink, right, Arnold Palmer every day?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Now, at home it's a passion tea Arnold Palmer. But
on the road anywhere else, it's an arn Palmer. So
the thing about an Arnold Palmer is technically it should
be because it's tea, it should be a free refill
every time. So the way I calculate my head is
two things. One, long as you're not charge me for
another Arnold Palmer every time I get it, and I'll
get like seven or eight on a sitting Wow. Okay, well,
(21:43):
but again there's a couple parts to it. One, keep
them coming, keep them coming. Secondly, like I like three
quarters t one quarter lemonade, I should only have to
say it once. But if you do that, like you're
more than earning your tip, and I'll be a much
bigger tip. Really easy way to judge the level of
tip you should get if I drink like one Arnold
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Palmer and just sitting there naked, and then the tip
to the check comes like, oh, would you like a
refill with that? Like we had a half hour where
you could have come back a bunch of different times.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, the only thing I heard there was that you're
drinking an Armorn Palmer and the waitress is sitting there naked.
What I didn't hear anything after that? What did you
just say, Oh, Arnold Palmer's naked. It's it's empty. I
got empty.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
By the way, not to change the subject, but Choey
is playing in the second game. He's he just struck out,
but he is playing.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, I get that pitching takes
a lot away from you, but like now he's the
first inning, he strikes out. Now he gets to go
chill for a couple winnings. I go back there, you know, not.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Playing the field.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So he's not playing the field. I love it. Have
you any you guys ever attended a doubleheader when I
was younger? Yes, not recently, but when I was like,
they're just arn't a lot at Dodger Stadium. No, you're
right about it.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I mean I'm guessing there have been two double headers
out in the last twenty years. They just don't do it, Hilo.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You ever been a doubleheader?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Actually, of all the thousands of games, never one double
header that I can neither.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I just remember, do they do they take you out
of the second game? Like or is it you get
to stay for both games? That's a day night doubleheaders?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Okay? Take take youre on bringing you groups?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Okay, yes, yes, day night doubleheader.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
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be our guest. We'll get his thoughts because he's a
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I'll get his thoughts on on this running back situation,
which continues to be part of the you know all
part of this discussion. Apparently, Josh Jacobs was offered twelve
million dollars per year in a contract extension. Turn it down,
same money that Saquon Barkley was offered.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Turn it down.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Here's Saquon Barkley talking about why he signed one year
deal with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I had a piphany. I had a mindset of what
I was going to do. But I changed my mind.
And as is the wise words of a lot of
vets and who've reached out to me and who set
HI stuff on the news and media, when you show up,
you can't have that in your heart. So I put
all that aside. And I focus on my teammates to
everyone in that building and the fans, and go out
here and I have a hell of here.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, I mean great? Is that what we think really happened?
Here's Jimmer saying he's the owner of the Inanapolis Colts.
The Colts are in a contract negotiation or standoff with
Jonathan Taylor, their star running back quote NFL running back situation.
We negotiate a CBA that took years of effort, hard work,
(25:35):
and compromised in good faith by both sides. To say
now that a specific player category wants to negotiate after
the fact is inappropriate. Some agents are selling bad faith,
by the way, Jonathan Taylor's agent, Malkei Keiwa of First
Round Management said bad faith is not paying your top
(25:56):
offensive player. Kay Was said in a quote tweet reply like, look, dude,
they're gonna pay you. They're just not gonna pay you
as much as you want. That's reality. You do know
that everything is a business just like that, right? I
(26:17):
mean I actually think, and you guys tell me if
I'm wrong, I actually think radio is a parallel to that,
parallel to that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I when I joined Fox Sports Radio and I think
it's gotten even better since then, like the addition of
the odd couple that happened after I join us. I
think that's a cool, different sounding show than my show.
I think Covino and Rich is a different sounding show
than my show. Hey, you guys know, I like Jason Smith.
(26:54):
Obviously he can get hot, takey, And of course Ben
Maller is like, you know, the Prince of darkness, but
it's cool like he's got his own following the got
their own shows. Would they all sound different? And then
our lead lineup right where you have and we have
two pros and a cup of Joe. That's a different
sort of morning show. Then you lead into the Dan
(27:14):
Patrick Show, who's a freaking legend right like he announced
last week he's gonna retire in four years, ball or Move,
And then you have Cowherd, so like look in traditional
radio national sports radio lineups morning show. When I started
(27:37):
working at ESPN, Mike and Mike were the number one show,
and they made the most money, and then everybody else
is trying to play.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Catch up to it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I don't know how much they make, but I'm guessing
Dan and Colin probably make a lot more than than
I do, and then everybody else and it's slotted based
upon timeslot. Right, there's a lot of things, and of
course is your show simulcast that creates more revenue streams,
et cetera, et cetera. It's so disingenuous, these like Malki
(28:09):
Kiwa feel free you guys, reach out, get get the
agent on the phone, okay, because what they're saying is, hey,
we know all these other deals for contract extensions early
on the player's career is a bad business deal. But one,
our guy is different and two so what.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
You know? They literally there is zero.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
They offer zero actual factual evidence that says you should
pay a guy an absorbant amount of money. I mean
Taylor is the perfect example because he's doing the Exeku Elliott, right,
but it's after his third year he wants more money,
when the truth is the Colts don't have to do anything,
don't have to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He can give it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He has four He had four more years with the
team with zero and agociation and he only gets the
year three and four. If they want to guarantee those
singular years, those will be franchise tag years. So it's
not bad faith. Your best player is completely subjective and
(29:18):
oh yeah, by the way, if he's so great, how'd
you do last year? Why did the Colts fire their coach?
Why they fire their coach? Why they change quarterbacks? Why
they do that because their quarterback wasn't good enough? He's
the best, most important player. Jonathan was Jonadale a great
(29:38):
last year? You play fantasy football? Ll gome was Jonathan
Taylor last year?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I find he did?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, right, Ramos, I don't think he was good at all? Right,
Jonathan Taylor for the Colts.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You didn't he get injured?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
He did get injured. I mean, by the way, he
played eleven games. When he played, he was awesome. Okay,
he's an awesome, awesome player. But like again, really, you're
gonna tell us that you need a contract extension. You
need a contract extension for a player who's likely to
(30:15):
be more likely to be injured in the future, production
likely to go down, and you want us to pay
above the market when the market has said what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You can sit here.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And tell me like, no, no, no, no, we need to
dial back to ten years ago and running backs worth more.
But there's no the market does not say that I'm
so fired up by the show Hao tony thing. And
I know it's the Tigers. I know the Tigers stink.
Can we at least try possible conclusion that part of
show hayes dominance today is whether it's happiness or relief
(30:56):
or at least knowledge of where he's going to play
the rest of the year played a part in it?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Fair Ramos like, look, yeah, I mean he's huh, he's
had a great season.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't think he's had any He has had.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
A great season pitching, he hasn't been as good a
dominant pitcher as he had been previously. Today he was filthy, filthy,
So but I mean, like again, my point is that,
you know, for the last week and a half, two weeks,
there's been all this speculation. Hey, anybody can get in
on this. Yesterday we got clarity. And his response is
(31:32):
nine innings, one hit, shut out, How many strikeouts? Sarah
Isaac long crime ohoo?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Eight strikeouts?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now the question becomes, does he hit in the in
the second is he the DH in the second game?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Now? Why not? Why not just set some more records
that haven't been done?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Sure, don't you want to do that? Like look, you're
trying to make a playoff push, Like, is it really
that exhausting to hit four times?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Go for it?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
That's a And the thing about the Angels deal is,
and we don't know this, but boyd, I mean this
is an all This is all in with a bad
hand right now. They don't have a terrible hand, but
they don't have king as they got a decent hand.
They're like, you know what, we've been playing cards this long.
(32:30):
We could walk away with some money and play another day,
or we could go for it. They've chosen to go
for it. Let's get back to the NFL. Joe Banner
joins us. Of course, long time executive in the NFL Eagles,
Browns co founder of thirty third Team dot com. Thirty
third Team by the way, if you haven't gone to
the site, it provides unparalleled NFL insight for fans, fantasy players,
(32:52):
and betters because it has an unmatched roster of NFL
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Team dot Com. Joe Banner joins us now on the
Doug Gottlieb Show, it feels like the running back discussion
is a bizarre one because owners, front office people, they're
(33:15):
dealing with the current market, players and their agents and fans.
It's the older market and the emotions of Hey, this
guy scores touchdowns, so he's worth a bunch of money.
What are your thoughts on how this thing has evolved
or devolved in terms of their compensation.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Well, good to be honest with you, first of all,
and I'm so with the way you just described that.
I'm kind of frustrated by the debate, to be honest,
I mean, in football, and it's not limited to football,
you get paid based on how on you contribute to
the ultimate success of the business and how many people
(33:55):
are available with the skill set that you have. So
running backs at this point in the NFL are important.
It's ridiculous to say they're not. And you're able to
win without a great running back. And there are more
running backs good enough to win a Super Bowl than
there are teams that need them. So it's economics one
(34:15):
oh one that we probably took junior in high school.
We have an abundance of players in a position. It's
only moderately important, you know that. Said by the way,
I do think the Giants made a mistake, and only
this reason. I mean the market, even reflecting the way
we're both described that you know, three years ago for
running backs was twelve twelve and a half million dollars.
(34:36):
It just took the amount the cap has gone up
that equates to fourteenth to fifteen million dollars in today's market.
And those are players like Mixon and Chubb and Jones
and a group of players like that. So I do
think the Giants took this philosophy that we're describing, I
think correctly and fairly too far by not taking somebody's talent,
(34:57):
as Barkley is at least getting them to the present
value with the mixings and the Chubs signed for two
or three years ago. So I totally believe that the
running back market is reset because it's become somewhat less
important to take every other position. Guards make less than
tackles because they have a smaller impact on the game.
Taf these make less than corners because they have a
(35:17):
smaller impact than who wins the game. And now running
backs are making the same amount as tight ends and
less than wide receivers because of the impact they have
on who wins the game. But if you get a
top five player at a position and you can re
sign him for three or four years for fifteen million
dollars a year. Fourteen million dollars a year. I don't
understand why you create a war at twelve. That's my
(35:39):
only thing. But I'm with you completely on how you're
describing this. It's not a mystery. It reflects the impact
they have on winning and the excess of talents at
the position. That's it.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And you're right in that sequon he's one of a
couple guys. Now he's he a talented at that high level,
but their team is kind of built around him, right
like it's it's it's it's different. I mean, Tennessee is
probably one of the only other teams where it's really
built around that one guy, and though they haven't gotten
to a super Bowl, they've had a lot of success
(36:09):
with that with that as the plan. Joe Banner, our
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Okay, so if I Doug, yes, Henry is one of
the guys that got twelve five two years ago. So
if we're just saying we want to treat Barkley like
we treated Henry or the league treated Henry. Now, that's
fourteenth to fifteen million dollars a year on a three
to four year deal. I don't know why the Giants
couldn't get there and just make everybody feel good and
know they had him for the next three or four
(36:38):
years of Vans. He's healthy.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
What how do you think it affects their season? As
he's redone this deal and he signed a one year deal,
how does that actually affect the play?
Speaker 6 (36:49):
I mean it the fact that he came in so
quickly just shows you and in one hand is being
somebody who was in management for a while. You know,
I respect that he loved the game and wants to
win so badly, and also a respect people, you know,
kind of fighting for you know, what they're worth and
what they earned. Some little conflicted about that, but I'm
in the school of thinking the Giants kind of overachieved
last year. I don't think all this contract stuff is
(37:12):
what's going to affect their season much. I think most
of the players they've dealt with, they've either got a
deal done with or hire enough characters and driven enough
that they'll do the best they can. I do think
the team, though isn't quite as good as they record
last year, and there will be a challenge just to
match what they did last season. You know, wither without
all that kind of emotion that we've been talking about.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, the Eagles look like this year considering are you
brought back a lot, but you lost your coordinators and
especially Stichen like he had he was really doling it
up with Jalen Hurts. How does that affect a team?
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Yeah, listen, I think the coverage of the Eagles this offseason,
where obviously they have you know, connection and rooting interest
and everything else, but the lot seven starters and you know,
the draft's all a projection. I mean, people didn't miss
how Talent's carter was. He's got concerns and could turn
out to be a great risk they took. It could
turn out to be a mistake. They lost seven starters,
(38:08):
they weren't the most important positions, and they weren't their
best players. And the NFC is still lousy, So it
won't be shocking if they make the super Bowl again.
But I think that they're a considerably weaker team than
they were last year, and they're constant there more young players,
they're counting more projections the way i'd say it, and
they have in the past. But they're still very smart.
They get dominant lines, they got a great quarterback. They're
(38:29):
still going to be a very good team. But people
almost fucking them like they're even better than last year.
I don't see that. I think if they can just
do what they did last year and tucking one loss record,
you know what's suit happens in the playoffs, but that'll
be at a better reflection to where the roster is,
you know, right now. So they're still a very good team.
They're probably the most talented team on paper in the
NFC still, But they didn't have a very good offseason.
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But that's what they planned for. I mean, they have
almost forty nine million dollars in miscellaneous charges of money
that is coming off their capsuld player are no longer
in their team. They lost those players for a reason
and it got them to last year's Super Bowl and
still leads them as one of the top couple of
teams in the NFC. But the coverage is if they've
had some spectacular, brilliant top season is not what I think.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I say.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Have you read Sean Payton's comments from today?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
I saw the excerpts, and I worked with Sean. In fact,
gave him his first to his quarterback coach in Philadelphia
under Ray Rose, gave him his first job in the NFL.
So I know Sean well. He's a very blunt, straightforward guy,
but he's also very respectful of the coaching community. So
I was still surprised, not by the directness of bold
(39:39):
that that's who he is, but some of the things
that you know, probably made some of the people that
have been in that past feel like he was taking
shots at them. That's part I'm surprised by.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, So I mean I saw the same thing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Like, look, I as a radio guy, I love it, right, Like,
tell me how you really feel, Sean, But I mean
he threw his current GM under the bus, who obviously
that's I don't know how long term their relationship is anyway.
And then you know, like coaches don't usually do that.
They may say it and that's what they say in private,
but publicly they just say, hey, we're doing a different way,
(40:12):
we're trying different things. How what do what do you
think people in the NFL's reaction is that, I mean,
he he completely obliterated Daniel Hacketts leadership from last season.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Yeah, no, he he has stronger comments this. We'll obviously
anybody where a coach speak about on the coach talks
with him. Mean you mentioned the thirty thirt team. We
have coaches that talk about coaches and they're honest. They'll
give you their clear opinion, but they'll do it in
as kind of gentle way as they can, and that's
what we're used to seeing. The only thing I was
(40:48):
trying to think of, like, why would he do this?
Because Sean's a guy that does not do things in
the spur of the moment. He's not applied by the
city of pants kind of a guy. He's thoughtful. I'm
just wondering if he didn't think that he was trying
to help rebuild Russell Wilson's confidence.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
No question, no question, making us seem like and Russell.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Russell reads and listens to everything too right and this
one's impossible to mix.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Yeah, I think that it was. Maybe maybe he went
a little too far and a little out of character,
although not in being bold and direct, that's who he is.
But I think he was just trying to send Russell
the message that I believe in you I don't worry
about what happened last year. Let's look forward and we're
going to do great things together. That's the only explanation
I had for why he chose to do it.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
It's a it's a it's a it's a very fair read.
Are we liked to believe that Aaron Rodgers really gave
back thirty five million? Or is that going to come back?
Because there's there's two voidable years at the end of
this deal. Anything, you know, it's the old any nine
times something's too good to be true, it is. It's
got to be he's got that money. He's got to
(41:48):
be waiting for him at the end of a rainbow somewhere,
doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Well. I'm looking forward to actually reading it myself, and
I believe because it was speculated behind the scenes with
some reason from how much Jets people were making privately,
that there was an understanding that he would probably more
than a year, and that he would make adjustments that
were actual, you know, reductions versus restructures of his contract.
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I was very surprised by the size of what it
ended up being, so I'm a little skeptical too until
I actually get a chance to see the contract and
see if this way is to recover and if it's
converted to incentives or maybe it's you know, meaningful but
less than what's being reported. I won't trust it until
I see it myself.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Does that work? Do you think.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Aaron Rodgers with a Nathaniel Hackett offense does that work
with the Jets and take them back to the playoffs?
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Playoffs? Good chance deep into the playoffs? I don't believe it.
I just, first of all, I have some still questions
about the coaching staff, so I've had since it was hired.
Teams that win deep into the playoffs usually have dominant
offensive and defensive lines. They have a very good defensive line.
I'm not quite sure it's dominant. They have an offensive
(42:59):
line I literally worry about. And you got a thirty
eight yelled quarterback hasn't missed a lot of games, so
it has been getting nicked up more often recently, and
he has in the past. So I think there's a
reasonable chance to make the playoffs, although I don't even
consider that a sure thing. I consider it more likely
than not. But the deep runs of the playoff and
how they kind of taken their shot to win the
Super Bowl the next year or two. If that's what
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they did, and it certainly looks like the way they
spent money even with this Cutt and Rogers contract, I
will be very surprised if that happens.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Last thing.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
As of now, Justin Herbert is the highest paid player
in the NFL in the yearly average. I'm a buyer
into the Chargers. I know they collapsed in the playoffs.
I like the I like, you know, changing offensive coordinators.
I think that fits Herbert a lot better and fits
and I love the skill set of the players they have.
(43:51):
And now you get your left tackle back. But so
many people in the league just can't buy into the
Chargers winning big.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
What about you.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
I'm buying it just I mean, the AFC is just
so tough when you talk about depth of the playoffs,
but I think that the offensive cord inter changes a
big upgrade. I think that Herbert should continue to get better.
In my opinion, is already at a very high level.
And that is some quantit players. I think in an
a left tackle back is huge. You know, they're just
in a very tough division and then a really really
(44:23):
tough conference and you talk about like who'll be standing it.
Let's say the final four, but I expect the Charge
to be a very very good team.
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Speaker 6 (44:53):
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Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Jason Robert Sala was asked about the Sean Payton comments, Well.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that is he
you know, he's been in the legal while he can
say what other hell he wants.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
But but as.
Speaker 7 (45:20):
Far as you know what we have going on here,
I kind of look by a saying, if you ain't
got no haters, you ain't popping, so hate away. Obviously
we're doing something right if you got to talk about
us when we don't play it till week four, and
I'm good with it. You know, the guys in our
locker room, they've earned everything that's coming to them and
really excited about what's going on. I think Hackett's doing
a phenomenal job here him.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
What do you say if it ain't if they ain't hating,
it ain't popping.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, if they ain't hating, you ain't popping.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Okay, Sure, sure,
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Get to that in the moment. Big story in football today.
(01:26):
I guess there's a couple. Jalen Ramsey went down with
an injury. Don't have an update on that, but he
was carted off. That's not good. It was lower leg
that means knee also not good. And then who wasn't
for the Jets who he walked off under his own power?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, Garrett Wilson, star wide receiver, a very talented wide
receiver for the Jets. Looked like something happened, but he
was not carted off. So we'll get an update for
you on on both of those gentlemen upcoming. ILO's in
the update chair. Of course, you got Jay stew and
John Ramos. This is Doug Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Tradio,
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(02:03):
a one hour live pod which drops after this show
called in the Bonus, and we'll get to we'll also
get to Colorado in the show and out of the show,
Colorado rejoining the Big twelve. But this is the story
of the day in the NFL, is that Sean Payton
just goes I guess General Sherman right, and he completely
(02:27):
burns down everything that took place in Denver last year
and frankly his boss this year in Denver. Quote, it
doesn't happen often when where an NFL team or organization
gets embarrassed. That happened here. Part it was their own
fault relative to spending too much effing time trying to
(02:48):
win the offseason pr the pomp circumstance, the marching people around,
all this stuff. We're not doing any of that. The
Jets did that this year. You watch hard Knocks, all
of it. I can see it coming. Remember when Dan
Sneyder put that being team together. I was with the
Giants in two thousand. I was a young coach and thought,
how are we going to compete with them? Deon Sanders
over there they won eight games whatever, So listen, just
(03:10):
put in the work. There's so much dirt around that.
There's twenty dirty hands for what was allowed tolerated in
fricking training rooms and meeting rooms. The offense. I don't know,
Nathaniel Hackett. I know a lot of people had dirt
on their hands. It wasn't just Russell. He didn't just flip.
He still has it. This bs is he's hit a wall.
(03:31):
Shoot They couldn't get in a play. They were twenty
ninth in the league in prestat penalties and both sides
of the ball. So he throws Nathaniel Hackett completely under
the bus. He does, honestly the same, does some damage
to George Patton, his general manager, I guess in his boss.
(03:54):
I mean, take a listen to this quote. That wasn't
his fault, him being Russell Wilson. Now was the parents
who allowed it. That's not an incrimination on him, but
incrimination on the head coach of the GM, the president
and everybody who watched it happen. Now, a quarterback having
an office and a place to watch film is normal,
but all these things get magnified when you're losing and
(04:16):
other stuff. I've never heard of it. We're not doing that. So,
in an effort to tell everybody there's a new sheriff
in town, in an effort to take the criticism away
from his quarterback, he destroys Nathaniel Hackett and does damage
(04:37):
to George Patten, who technically is his boss. Now there's
part of me the broadcast. Doug says, at a boy,
give us the good stuff, give us the real stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Tell us how you really feel.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But then there's the sports guy in me, the coaching
background in me, that says, what are you doing? And
then there's the other part of the opinion, which people
may not want to hear. This is why some teams
didn't pull the trigger. Like, there's a lot of reasons
the Chargers didn't fire Brandon Staley. This is one of them.
(05:19):
Because Sean Payton is a really good coach. Don't believe me.
Just ask him, Okay, just ask him, and he's gonna
want his own guys in there. Case in point, Remember
he turned down the Broncos job and only took the
Broncos job when they were in complete desperation and they
massively overpaid for him. So he doesn't respect George Patten
(05:43):
at all. If he did, you know, he wouldn't say
any of this. It's a very you can sit. Here's
the same How about the same quotes. I don't put
most of it, all of it. Put a very small
fraction of it on Russell. You know, there's a different
(06:04):
coaching staff that did things a different way, and we're
not doing it that way.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
We're gonna do it my way.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I believe it's time tested, it works. I learned from
Bill Parcells. I've been doing this myself for twenty years
and I think it works. And I don't blame anyone
for anything that could be deemed a mistake. Last year,
last year was last year. This is a completely new year.
How does that quote work as opposed to this one?
This one destroys the Daniel Hackett And look, he's not wrong.
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It was a disaster, but you don't say that. You
don't say it. It may feel good to you, but
it's like sugar man up and then daddy like man.
By the way, what happens if Russell Wilson really doesn't
have it anymore because he wasn't good at the end
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of his Seahawks run, was he? And you got him
under contract for three more seasons counting this season guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So if he.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Staying, you're stuck with him, which is why you're saying
things report to support him. I get it, we all
get it. We all understand the game here. But there's
a way to do it without completely trashing the entire
coaching staff in front office, some of whom remain with you,
remain with you.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I was off doing bong rips with teenagers and this
is what have you guys seen the vide You've seen
the video of of Uh, you haven't seen the video?
Oh yeah, there's a there's an epic video of Sean
Payton last year with younger dudes doing a couple of
bong rips.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's outstanding.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
But the it doesn't mean he's wrong, but he's wrong
to say it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
This makes sense.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It just it doesn't mean you're wrong, but you're wrong.
And we all know instances like that, but specifically at work.
And you can sit here and go, well, hey, this
is clearly his last job. He takes the TV mentality
he's on. You know, he doesn't care anymore. That's great,
that's great. But he also basically told you that his
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gentle manager, the guy who's technically his boss, was more
interested in winning press conferences and the offseason last year
and the circus than actually winning football games. And that's
not exactly a relationship builder between the two.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
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did you need to?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Did you need to make Nathaniel Hackett look like a
complete clown? Did you have to?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You know?
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if your dreams? If no one's laughing at your dreams,
they may not be big enough. Has ever heard that?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
No, that's a good one, though.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You like that one? Okay? You guys are laughing at
the Angels dreams.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Laughing.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yep, no I swim.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, they laughing. So give me your Okay, let's start
with Ramos. Give me your best guess on what happens
with the Angels. They won the first game of their doubleheader.
They take on the Tigers in starts in about ten
minutes for game two. So they are at fifty three
and forty nine right now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
All right, They'll win the second game, They'll win the
sleep yep, they'll sweep. And then they got twenty five
games coming up, tough games. They go.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Ten and fifteen in that run.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Ten and fifteen in that rune. Okay, so that and
that will not be good enough to get them in
the playoff.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
They have Toronto upcoming on the road after Detroit, short trip,
and then they have a Landa on the road. That's
a tough tough stretch there, right, tough tough stretch.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But then Seattle at home, San Francisco at home to
Houston two Texas, yikes, Tampa, who's faltering? Cincinnati at home?
Ooh ooh, okay, I want.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
To see Cincinnati play.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think I get we might have to go to
that series, then to New York, to Philadelphia, to Oakland, Baltimore, Cleveland. Hmmm,
only have only have they have two more series with Oakland.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's good. Took up five of those, right if that's
what the that if that's what you're looking forward to
as the winds and positivity, that's not very good.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But I mean, like, look, those are those are wins?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, they are wins.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Agree times five of them. You're gonna win, Jay Stu,
What do you think happens with the Angels?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
So?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think I think they'll play like five hundred ball.
They'll finish above five hundred. I think Phil Nevin will
get an extension and show Hey will walk and never
see Anaheim again. They won't make the playoffs. Nevin will
go to get the extension and show Hey will play
I think for the Dodgers, but he won't play for
the Angels. That's that's my prediction, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I love what's your prediction?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
It's time for Dodger baseball.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I know I know that everybody's predicting it goes to
the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Oh no, I was just this year. I was just
greeting you. Now, my heart said, I'm such a you don't.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Get to do the heart set. Tell me what you
think happens.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
All right, they they barely missed the playoffs, yet they
still finish ahead of the Yankees and Red Sox.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Why does that matter they missed it.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
I'm just trying to annoy you certain listeners out there.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think they make the playoffs. I think Trout comes
back and he's kicking a taking names. You know, they've
already added two arms. I think they'll add another arm,
another bat. I think they'll be a good team. I
think they'll make the playoffs. Yes, and this is more
(13:24):
a heart than head. All right, but look at the
wild Look at the wild card standings as of now,
three and a half back of the Blue Jays. They
take on the Blue Jays in a three game set.
I don't know, I just I feel like oton. One
of the things that has impressed me about Otani, and
it's really hard to tell, is is our dude's competitors.
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And when things were bad, what turned around this the
Angel season was show Hey, Otani was hitting bombs, getting
on base, great ball. And then today, after being given
word yesterday they weren't going to trade him. He goes
out and pitches a complete game one hitter. That dude's
a competitor. I think Trout's a competitor. I think they're
(14:13):
gonna pull this thing off. I just too Yankees appear
to be fizzling. Red Sox haven't done much all year,
although they've won their last four. Blue Jayser and Astros
are good. Toronto has and and Tampa has completely hit
the hit the skids, all right, So other stories working
today real fast.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I was, so, are you willing to put a wager
on that? And I was thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I have really good I have really good odds, okay,
because they have to leap frog three teams three teams
in order to get to the wild card.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yep. If the Angels make the make the playoffs, I
will buy you lunch. And if the Angels don't make
the playoffs, then you buy us watch.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That's not good odds.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That's even odds, right as far as you know.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Not even because there's two of you, there's only one.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
No, no, he has to buy Doug has to buy dinner.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
To be different, they should have to buy me.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I just tried to do Jedi trick dinner.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I should have to buy like a pizza. It's it's
far more likely that the Angels don't make the playoffs
than they do make that.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, we all agree, yes, okay, so it's more likely
that they won't than the odds had to be.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
The odds of it the opposite of what I correct.
I tried to do a Jedi mind trick on you.
I was hoping you'd agree to them.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
By the way, that was Jason, mynd tricks only work
on the weeknd.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
These are not the droids you're looking for. Those are
exactly the droids I'm looking for. Didn't work at all.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And by the way, don't throw Isaac and I in there,
because I had nothing to do with that exact wager.
That was all Jason Stuart. So I agree with you.
By the way, you are correct, that is not an
even everybody agrees with me.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I think simple math agrees with okay.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So let's can you repropose like a better.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I mean, I guess the wager would be, I, uh
we buy you a really uh nice bottle of your
favorite liquor if the Angels make the playoffs, and if
they if they don't make the playoffs, which are not
they're not supposed to. Then you buy us lunch.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, I'll buy a what's the pizza place that's really
good around there?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Mulberry?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Oh delicious, right right, I'll buy two large pies.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
It's about fifty bucks.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Two large pies. If they don't make the playoffs, let's
do it. If they do make the playoffs. I don't
want a large bottle of lit.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
You don't want to. You don't want a top shelf
bottle of liquor? No, you didn't know who turns that down? Doug?
Speaker 1 (16:46):
No, I know like you're talking like the Johnny Walker
I got you for your birthday.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh it's delicious, yes, top shelf label, blue label? How
much was it?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
How much it is left?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Uh? Probably like three quarters of it. I only I
only drink it on a very special locations.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh yeah, like when the Angels make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
That's a good point. I like to keep it in
my my little liquor area. So people when people walk in,
they're like, WHOA, whoa blue label? WHOA you work in radio?
How do you have blue label? Johnny Walk?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
You rom used to buy blue label all the time.
Let's not who you kidding? Right, very generous guy, Bro
Jason bro Bro part of the x R four T
I come get the blue label.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
How about how about we buy a car detail for
your car.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
In deal?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
What's this?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
We business on that?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
But all three of us are on board, right, I
have to be Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
No offense, Isaac. But I mean it's not really taken.
None taken you guys okay with that? That's fair.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I'm co signing on this, and I bet buyers signs
up on this too.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
So.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Uh that's better. Odds okay?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Is that when they wash your tires and stuff? Huh?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
A detail?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They washed everything?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, everything after Doug's daughter got through with it. It
needs details.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
She actually, this is the real thing. So she she works,
She doesn't go a traditionalize show. She works at her barn.
So at her barn, they have these guys that come
I think every other week and it's like forty bucks
and they clean your car right there. And I was like, dude,
drive my car down there that every day. So I
think they're coming tomorrow. I need that one. She's like, no,
(18:35):
I'm driving my car there Tomorrow's like, I'm gonna take
my car down there as well. This will not be
a forty dollars joby though, I just just see war
like a right.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I was going to say, forty bucks is less than
the amount for the pizzas, so it's got.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
To be more than that detail is typically two hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, it's aout two hundre bucks after tip after tip.
By the way our tip discussion, you would not believe
the volume of texts I've gotten from friends on tipping.
And I have some friends that say all services need
to be tipped, like with all services. So like I
go to the joint they do the chiropractor work, that's
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a service. Do I tip that guy?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
No, of course not no.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
A friend of mine tried to get me to tip
dog grooming. Do you tip on dog grooming? I was like, no,
I bring my dogs in I have, they have my
credit card on file, they wash my dogs. They tell
me when to come pick it up. I come pick
it up.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Do we tip there?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
What?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's their job. That's what they're you're paying for. You're
paying for that service.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Right, Like you get tip because they're My theory is
you get do tip people is because when you sit
down to eat or do something, you don't move or
anything the everything you don't go like go get get
the food.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So why don't you tip it like Chipotle when you
just kind of walk through the line.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, they and then you take it, but you're there
because yeah, you're there.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I would there is five steps between there.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I got there. There is a tip jar there at
most places, right they got to store. They always try
and get you when you check out.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yes, I loove I got one.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Do you tip when you pick up takeout because you
pay with the credit card and it has a little
tip thing there?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Negative?
Speaker 5 (20:16):
What about when you go to a store and you
pay with credit card and the device comes up and
it flashes tip fifteen person standing right there?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
What am I buying?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Von's the bagel place down the street. Let's let's say
that generally, no, no, can I hang out with you?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Sometimes restaurants restaurants like tip yes you know, uh I
And honestly, like uber Eats or whatever, I tip right
when they bring like pizza, they bring you food to
your door and you see them.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, absolutely, yes.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, we got in this discuss the other day.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
I lough.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I think you're off because I also try and round
up so it's even And then we got into percentages,
and these guys are like twenty percent. Like twenty percent,
I need like a neck massage in addition to my food,
and all of my drinks need to always be topped off.
I will say one reason I do I have a
better sense of how much I should tip is you
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guys know.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
My drink, right, Arnold Palmer every day?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Now, at home it's a passion tea Arnold Palmer. But
on the road anywhere else, it's an arn Palmer. So
the thing about an Arnold Palmer is technically it should
be because it's tea, it should be a free refill
every time. So the way I calculate my head is
two things. One, long as you're not charge me for
another Arnold Palmer every time I get it, and I'll
get like seven or eight on a sitting Wow. Okay, well,
(21:43):
but again there's a couple parts to it. One, keep
them coming, keep them coming. Secondly, like I like three
quarters t one quarter lemonade, I should only have to
say it once. But if you do that, like you're
more than earning your tip, and I'll be a much
bigger tip. Really easy way to judge the level of
tip you should get if I drink like one Arnold
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Palmer and just sitting there naked, and then the tip
to the check comes like, oh, would you like a
refill with that? Like we had a half hour where
you could have come back a bunch of different times.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, the only thing I heard there was that you're
drinking an Armorn Palmer and the waitress is sitting there naked.
What I didn't hear anything after that? What did you
just say, Oh, Arnold Palmer's naked. It's it's empty. I
got empty.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
By the way, not to change the subject, but Choey
is playing in the second game. He's he just struck out,
but he is playing.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, I get that pitching takes
a lot away from you, but like now he's the
first inning, he strikes out. Now he gets to go
chill for a couple winnings. I go back there, you know, not.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Playing the field.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So he's not playing the field. I love it. Have
you any you guys ever attended a doubleheader when I
was younger? Yes, not recently, but when I was like,
they're just arn't a lot at Dodger Stadium. No, you're
right about it.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I mean I'm guessing there have been two double headers
out in the last twenty years. They just don't do it, Hilo.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You ever been a doubleheader?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Actually, of all the thousands of games, never one double
header that I can neither.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I just remember, do they do they take you out
of the second game? Like or is it you get
to stay for both games? That's a day night doubleheaders?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Okay? Take take youre on bringing you groups?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Okay, yes, yes, day night doubleheader.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
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uh okay. So coming up, Joe Banner is going to
be our guest. We'll get his thoughts because he's a
(24:20):
former front office executive with the Eagles and the Browns
co founder of the thirty third team dot com. But
I'll get his thoughts on on this running back situation,
which continues to be part of the you know all
part of this discussion. Apparently, Josh Jacobs was offered twelve
million dollars per year in a contract extension. Turn it down,
same money that Saquon Barkley was offered.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Turn it down.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Here's Saquon Barkley talking about why he signed one year
deal with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I had a piphany. I had a mindset of what
I was going to do. But I changed my mind.
And as is the wise words of a lot of
vets and who've reached out to me and who set
HI stuff on the news and media, when you show up,
you can't have that in your heart. So I put
all that aside. And I focus on my teammates to
everyone in that building and the fans, and go out
here and I have a hell of here.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, I mean great? Is that what we think really happened?
Here's Jimmer saying he's the owner of the Inanapolis Colts.
The Colts are in a contract negotiation or standoff with
Jonathan Taylor, their star running back quote NFL running back situation.
We negotiate a CBA that took years of effort, hard work,
(25:35):
and compromised in good faith by both sides. To say
now that a specific player category wants to negotiate after
the fact is inappropriate. Some agents are selling bad faith,
by the way, Jonathan Taylor's agent, Malkei Keiwa of First
Round Management said bad faith is not paying your top
(25:56):
offensive player. Kay Was said in a quote tweet reply like, look, dude,
they're gonna pay you. They're just not gonna pay you
as much as you want. That's reality. You do know
that everything is a business just like that, right? I
(26:17):
mean I actually think, and you guys tell me if
I'm wrong, I actually think radio is a parallel to that,
parallel to that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I when I joined Fox Sports Radio and I think
it's gotten even better since then, like the addition of
the odd couple that happened after I join us. I
think that's a cool, different sounding show than my show.
I think Covino and Rich is a different sounding show
than my show. Hey, you guys know, I like Jason Smith.
(26:54):
Obviously he can get hot, takey, And of course Ben
Maller is like, you know, the Prince of darkness, but
it's cool like he's got his own following the got
their own shows. Would they all sound different? And then
our lead lineup right where you have and we have
two pros and a cup of Joe. That's a different
sort of morning show. Then you lead into the Dan
(27:14):
Patrick Show, who's a freaking legend right like he announced
last week he's gonna retire in four years, ball or Move,
And then you have Cowherd, so like look in traditional
radio national sports radio lineups morning show. When I started
(27:37):
working at ESPN, Mike and Mike were the number one show,
and they made the most money, and then everybody else
is trying to play.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Catch up to it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I don't know how much they make, but I'm guessing
Dan and Colin probably make a lot more than than
I do, and then everybody else and it's slotted based
upon timeslot. Right, there's a lot of things, and of
course is your show simulcast that creates more revenue streams,
et cetera, et cetera. It's so disingenuous, these like Malki
(28:09):
Kiwa feel free you guys, reach out, get get the
agent on the phone, okay, because what they're saying is, hey,
we know all these other deals for contract extensions early
on the player's career is a bad business deal. But one,
our guy is different and two so what.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
You know? They literally there is zero.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
They offer zero actual factual evidence that says you should
pay a guy an absorbant amount of money. I mean
Taylor is the perfect example because he's doing the Exeku Elliott, right,
but it's after his third year he wants more money,
when the truth is the Colts don't have to do anything,
don't have to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He can give it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
He has four He had four more years with the
team with zero and agociation and he only gets the
year three and four. If they want to guarantee those
singular years, those will be franchise tag years. So it's
not bad faith. Your best player is completely subjective and
(29:18):
oh yeah, by the way, if he's so great, how'd
you do last year? Why did the Colts fire their coach?
Why they fire their coach? Why they change quarterbacks? Why
they do that because their quarterback wasn't good enough? He's
the best, most important player. Jonathan was Jonadale a great
(29:38):
last year? You play fantasy football? Ll gome was Jonathan
Taylor last year?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I find he did?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Okay, right, Ramos, I don't think he was good at all? Right,
Jonathan Taylor for the Colts.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You didn't he get injured?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
He did get injured. I mean, by the way, he
played eleven games. When he played, he was awesome. Okay,
he's an awesome, awesome player. But like again, really, you're
gonna tell us that you need a contract extension. You
need a contract extension for a player who's likely to
(30:15):
be more likely to be injured in the future, production
likely to go down, and you want us to pay
above the market when the market has said what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
You can sit here.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And tell me like, no, no, no, no, we need to
dial back to ten years ago and running backs worth more.
But there's no the market does not say that I'm
so fired up by the show Hao tony thing. And
I know it's the Tigers. I know the Tigers stink.
Can we at least try possible conclusion that part of
show hayes dominance today is whether it's happiness or relief
(30:56):
or at least knowledge of where he's going to play
the rest of the year played a part in it?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Fair Ramos like, look, yeah, I mean he's huh, he's
had a great season.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I don't think he's had any He has had.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
A great season pitching, he hasn't been as good a
dominant pitcher as he had been previously. Today he was filthy, filthy,
So but I mean, like again, my point is that,
you know, for the last week and a half, two weeks,
there's been all this speculation. Hey, anybody can get in
on this. Yesterday we got clarity. And his response is
(31:32):
nine innings, one hit, shut out, How many strikeouts? Sarah
Isaac long crime ohoo?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Eight strikeouts?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now the question becomes, does he hit in the in
the second is he the DH in the second game?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Now? Why not? Why not just set some more records
that haven't been done?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Sure, don't you want to do that? Like look, you're
trying to make a playoff push, Like, is it really
that exhausting to hit four times?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Go for it?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
That's a And the thing about the Angels deal is,
and we don't know this, but boyd, I mean this
is an all This is all in with a bad
hand right now. They don't have a terrible hand, but
they don't have king as they got a decent hand.
They're like, you know what, we've been playing cards this long.
(32:30):
We could walk away with some money and play another day,
or we could go for it. They've chosen to go
for it. Let's get back to the NFL. Joe Banner
joins us. Of course, long time executive in the NFL Eagles,
Browns co founder of thirty third Team dot com. Thirty
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the site, it provides unparalleled NFL insight for fans, fantasy players,
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Doug Gottlieb Show, it feels like the running back discussion
is a bizarre one because owners, front office people, they're
(33:15):
dealing with the current market, players and their agents and fans.
It's the older market and the emotions of Hey, this
guy scores touchdowns, so he's worth a bunch of money.
What are your thoughts on how this thing has evolved
or devolved in terms of their compensation.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Well, good to be honest with you, first of all,
and I'm so with the way you just described that.
I'm kind of frustrated by the debate, to be honest,
I mean, in football, and it's not limited to football,
you get paid based on how on you contribute to
the ultimate success of the business and how many people
(33:55):
are available with the skill set that you have. So
running backs at this point in the NFL are important.
It's ridiculous to say they're not. And you're able to
win without a great running back. And there are more
running backs good enough to win a Super Bowl than
there are teams that need them. So it's economics one
(34:15):
oh one that we probably took junior in high school.
We have an abundance of players in a position. It's
only moderately important, you know that. Said by the way,
I do think the Giants made a mistake, and only
this reason. I mean the market, even reflecting the way
we're both described that you know, three years ago for
running backs was twelve twelve and a half million dollars.
(34:36):
It just took the amount the cap has gone up
that equates to fourteenth to fifteen million dollars in today's market.
And those are players like Mixon and Chubb and Jones
and a group of players like that. So I do
think the Giants took this philosophy that we're describing, I
think correctly and fairly too far by not taking somebody's talent,
(34:57):
as Barkley is at least getting them to the present
value with the mixings and the Chubs signed for two
or three years ago. So I totally believe that the
running back market is reset because it's become somewhat less
important to take every other position. Guards make less than
tackles because they have a smaller impact on the game.
Taf these make less than corners because they have a
(35:17):
smaller impact than who wins the game. And now running
backs are making the same amount as tight ends and
less than wide receivers because of the impact they have
on who wins the game. But if you get a
top five player at a position and you can re
sign him for three or four years for fifteen million
dollars a year. Fourteen million dollars a year. I don't
understand why you create a war at twelve. That's my
(35:39):
only thing. But I'm with you completely on how you're
describing this. It's not a mystery. It reflects the impact
they have on winning and the excess of talents at
the position. That's it.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
And you're right in that sequon he's one of a
couple guys. Now he's he a talented at that high level,
but their team is kind of built around him, right
like it's it's it's it's different. I mean, Tennessee is
probably one of the only other teams where it's really
built around that one guy, and though they haven't gotten
to a super Bowl, they've had a lot of success
(36:09):
with that with that as the plan. Joe Banner, our
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Okay, so if I Doug, yes, Henry is one of
the guys that got twelve five two years ago. So
if we're just saying we want to treat Barkley like
we treated Henry or the league treated Henry. Now, that's
fourteenth to fifteen million dollars a year on a three
to four year deal. I don't know why the Giants
couldn't get there and just make everybody feel good and
know they had him for the next three or four
(36:38):
years of Vans. He's healthy.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
What how do you think it affects their season? As
he's redone this deal and he signed a one year deal,
how does that actually affect the play?
Speaker 6 (36:49):
I mean it the fact that he came in so
quickly just shows you and in one hand is being
somebody who was in management for a while. You know,
I respect that he loved the game and wants to
win so badly, and also a respect people, you know,
kind of fighting for you know, what they're worth and
what they earned. Some little conflicted about that, but I'm
in the school of thinking the Giants kind of overachieved
last year. I don't think all this contract stuff is
(37:12):
what's going to affect their season much. I think most
of the players they've dealt with, they've either got a
deal done with or hire enough characters and driven enough
that they'll do the best they can. I do think
the team, though isn't quite as good as they record
last year, and there will be a challenge just to
match what they did last season. You know, wither without
all that kind of emotion that we've been talking about.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, the Eagles look like this year considering are you
brought back a lot, but you lost your coordinators and
especially Stichen like he had he was really doling it
up with Jalen Hurts. How does that affect a team?
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Yeah, listen, I think the coverage of the Eagles this offseason,
where obviously they have you know, connection and rooting interest
and everything else, but the lot seven starters and you know,
the draft's all a projection. I mean, people didn't miss
how Talent's carter was. He's got concerns and could turn
out to be a great risk they took. It could
turn out to be a mistake. They lost seven starters,
(38:08):
they weren't the most important positions, and they weren't their
best players. And the NFC is still lousy, So it
won't be shocking if they make the super Bowl again.
But I think that they're a considerably weaker team than
they were last year, and they're constant there more young players,
they're counting more projections the way i'd say it, and
they have in the past. But they're still very smart.
They get dominant lines, they got a great quarterback. They're
(38:29):
still going to be a very good team. But people
almost fucking them like they're even better than last year.
I don't see that. I think if they can just
do what they did last year and tucking one loss record,
you know what's suit happens in the playoffs, but that'll
be at a better reflection to where the roster is,
you know, right now. So they're still a very good team.
They're probably the most talented team on paper in the
NFC still, But they didn't have a very good offseason.
(38:53):
But that's what they planned for. I mean, they have
almost forty nine million dollars in miscellaneous charges of money
that is coming off their capsuld player are no longer
in their team. They lost those players for a reason
and it got them to last year's Super Bowl and
still leads them as one of the top couple of
teams in the NFC. But the coverage is if they've
had some spectacular, brilliant top season is not what I think.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I say.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Have you read Sean Payton's comments from today?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
I saw the excerpts, and I worked with Sean. In fact,
gave him his first to his quarterback coach in Philadelphia
under Ray Rose, gave him his first job in the NFL.
So I know Sean well. He's a very blunt, straightforward guy,
but he's also very respectful of the coaching community. So
I was still surprised, not by the directness of bold
(39:39):
that that's who he is, but some of the things
that you know, probably made some of the people that
have been in that past feel like he was taking
shots at them. That's part I'm surprised by.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, So I mean I saw the same thing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Like, look, I as a radio guy, I love it, right, Like,
tell me how you really feel, Sean, But I mean
he threw his current GM under the bus, who obviously
that's I don't know how long term their relationship is anyway.
And then you know, like coaches don't usually do that.
They may say it and that's what they say in private,
but publicly they just say, hey, we're doing a different way,
(40:12):
we're trying different things. How what do what do you
think people in the NFL's reaction is that, I mean,
he he completely obliterated Daniel Hacketts leadership from last season.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
Yeah, no, he he has stronger comments this. We'll obviously
anybody where a coach speak about on the coach talks
with him. Mean you mentioned the thirty thirt team. We
have coaches that talk about coaches and they're honest. They'll
give you their clear opinion, but they'll do it in
as kind of gentle way as they can, and that's
what we're used to seeing. The only thing I was
(40:48):
trying to think of, like, why would he do this?
Because Sean's a guy that does not do things in
the spur of the moment. He's not applied by the
city of pants kind of a guy. He's thoughtful. I'm
just wondering if he didn't think that he was trying
to help rebuild Russell Wilson's confidence.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
No question, no question, making us seem like and Russell.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Russell reads and listens to everything too right and this
one's impossible to mix.
Speaker 6 (41:08):
Yeah, I think that it was. Maybe maybe he went
a little too far and a little out of character,
although not in being bold and direct, that's who he is.
But I think he was just trying to send Russell
the message that I believe in you I don't worry
about what happened last year. Let's look forward and we're
going to do great things together. That's the only explanation
I had for why he chose to do it.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
It's a it's a it's a it's a very fair read.
Are we liked to believe that Aaron Rodgers really gave
back thirty five million? Or is that going to come back?
Because there's there's two voidable years at the end of
this deal. Anything, you know, it's the old any nine
times something's too good to be true, it is. It's
got to be he's got that money. He's got to
(41:48):
be waiting for him at the end of a rainbow somewhere,
doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Well. I'm looking forward to actually reading it myself, and
I believe because it was speculated behind the scenes with
some reason from how much Jets people were making privately,
that there was an understanding that he would probably more
than a year, and that he would make adjustments that
were actual, you know, reductions versus restructures of his contract.
(42:11):
I was very surprised by the size of what it
ended up being, so I'm a little skeptical too until
I actually get a chance to see the contract and
see if this way is to recover and if it's
converted to incentives or maybe it's you know, meaningful but
less than what's being reported. I won't trust it until
I see it myself.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Does that work? Do you think.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Aaron Rodgers with a Nathaniel Hackett offense does that work
with the Jets and take them back to the playoffs?
Speaker 6 (42:39):
Playoffs? Good chance deep into the playoffs? I don't believe it.
I just, first of all, I have some still questions
about the coaching staff, so I've had since it was hired.
Teams that win deep into the playoffs usually have dominant
offensive and defensive lines. They have a very good defensive line.
I'm not quite sure it's dominant. They have an offensive
(42:59):
line I literally worry about. And you got a thirty
eight yelled quarterback hasn't missed a lot of games, so
it has been getting nicked up more often recently, and
he has in the past. So I think there's a
reasonable chance to make the playoffs, although I don't even
consider that a sure thing. I consider it more likely
than not. But the deep runs of the playoff and
how they kind of taken their shot to win the
Super Bowl the next year or two. If that's what
(43:20):
they did, and it certainly looks like the way they
spent money even with this Cutt and Rogers contract, I
will be very surprised if that happens.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Last thing.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
As of now, Justin Herbert is the highest paid player
in the NFL in the yearly average. I'm a buyer
into the Chargers. I know they collapsed in the playoffs.
I like the I like, you know, changing offensive coordinators.
I think that fits Herbert a lot better and fits
and I love the skill set of the players they have.
(43:51):
And now you get your left tackle back. But so
many people in the league just can't buy into the
Chargers winning big.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
What about you.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
I'm buying it just I mean, the AFC is just
so tough when you talk about depth of the playoffs,
but I think that the offensive cord inter changes a
big upgrade. I think that Herbert should continue to get better.
In my opinion, is already at a very high level.
And that is some quantit players. I think in an
a left tackle back is huge. You know, they're just
in a very tough division and then a really really
(44:23):
tough conference and you talk about like who'll be standing it.
Let's say the final four, but I expect the Charge
to be a very very good team.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
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have a great week, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 6 (44:53):
Love having you on my pleasure. Good to be with you.
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Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Jason Robert Sala was asked about the Sean Payton comments, Well.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that is he
you know, he's been in the legal while he can
say what other hell he wants.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
But but as.
Speaker 7 (45:20):
Far as you know what we have going on here,
I kind of look by a saying, if you ain't
got no haters, you ain't popping, so hate away. Obviously
we're doing something right if you got to talk about
us when we don't play it till week four, and
I'm good with it. You know, the guys in our
locker room, they've earned everything that's coming to them and
really excited about what's going on. I think Hackett's doing
a phenomenal job here him.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
What do you say if it ain't if they ain't hating,
it ain't popping.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, if they ain't hating, you ain't popping.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Okay, Sure, sure,
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