July 27, 2023 • 37 mins
Doug reacts to the comments made by Broncos head coach Sean Payton in USA Today about former head coach Nathanial Hackett and current GM George Paton. Doug weighs in on the latest with the running back market. Former NFL Exec Joe Banner joins Doug to talk about the running back situation, Sean Payton and other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug and the crew through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Just a programming note to you. A hole Dodger fans.
Angels are up six to nothing and show hey o
Tany pitching a gem. I'm sure he's out now. It's
the top of the eighth inning, top of the eighth
inning in the start of a double header, and the
big news in Major League Baseball is shoe Hey Otani
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is no longer on the on the market. Instead, the
Angels are like, we're not sellers, were buyers?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Huh ah?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Get to that in the moment big story in football
to day. I guess there's a couple. Jalen Ramsey went
down with an injury. Don't have an update on that,
but he was carted off. That's not good. It was
lower leg that means knee, also not good. And then
who wasn't for the Jets who he walked off under
his own power?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, Garrett Wilson, star wide receiver, a very talented wide
receiver for the Jets. Looked like something happened, but he
was not carted off. So we'll get an update for
you on on both of those gentlemen upcoming. ILO's in
the update chair. Of course, you got Jay stew and
John Ramos. This is Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio,
Fox sport Trade dot Com, the iHeartRadio app. Remember we
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have a one hour live pod which drops after this
show called in the Bonus, and we'll get to we'll
also get to Colorado in the show and out of
the show Colorado rejoining the Big Twelve. But this is
the story of the day in the NFL, is that
Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Just goes.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I guess General Sherman right, and he completely burns down
everything that took place in Denver last year and frankly
his boss this year in Denver. Quote, it doesn't happen
often when where an NFL team or organization gets embarrassed.
(02:40):
That happened here, parv. It was their own fault relative
to spending too much effing time trying to win the
offseason pr the pomp circumstance, the marching people around, all
this stuff. We're not doing any of that. The Jets
did that this year. You watch hard Knocks, all of it.
I can see it coming. Remember when Dan Steyder put
that dream team together. I was with the Giants in
two thousand. I was a young coach and thought, how
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are we going to compete with them? Dion Sanders over
there they won eight games whatever, So listen, just put
in the work. There's so much dirt around that. There's
twenty dirty hands for what was allowed tolerated in freaking
training rooms and meeting rooms. The offense. I don't know,
Nathaniel Hackett. I know a lot of people had dirt
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on their hands. It wasn't just Russell. He didn't just flip.
He still has it this bs is He's hit a wall.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Shoot.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They couldn't get in a play. They were twenty ninth
in the league in prestat penalties and both sides of
the ball. So he throws Nathaniel Hackett completely under the bus.
He does, honestly the same, does some damage to George Patten,
his general manager, I guess in his boss. I mean,
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take a listen to this quote. That wasn't his fault,
him being Russell Wilson. That was the parents who allowed it.
That's not an incrimination on him, but incrimination on the
head coach of the GM, the president, and everybody who
watched it happen. Now, a quarterback having an office and
a place to watch film is normal, but all these
things get magnified when you're losing and other stuff. I've
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never heard of it. We're not doing that. So, in
an effort to tell everybody there's a new sheriff in town,
in an effort to take the criticism away from his quarterback,
he destroys Nathaniel Hackett and does damage to George Patten,
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who technically is his boss. Now there's part of me
the broadcast, Doug says, at a boy, give us the
good stuff, give us the real stuff, tell us how
you really feel. But then there's the sports guy in me,
the coaching background in me that says, what do you do?
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And then there's the other part of the opinion, which
people may not want to hear. This is why some
teams didn't pull the trigger. Like, there's a lot of
reasons the Chargers didn't fire Brandon Staley. This is one
of them. Because Sean Payton is a really good coach.
Don't believe me. Just ask him, Okay, just ask him,
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and he's gonna want his own guys in there. Case
in point, Remember he turned down the Broncos job and
only took the Broncos job when they were in complete
desperation and they massively overpaid for him. So he doesn't
respect George Patten at all. If he did, you know,
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he wouldn't say any of this. It's a very you
can say, here's the same how about the same quotes.
I don't put most of it, all of it. I
put a very small fraction of it on Russell. You know,
there's a different coaching staff that did things a different way,
and we're not doing it that way. We're gonna do
it my way. I believe it's time tested, it works.
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I learned from Bill Parcells. I've been doing this myself
for twenty years and I think it works. And I
don't blame anyone for anything that could be deemed a mistake.
Last year, last year was last year. This is a
completely new year. How does that quote work as opposed
to this one? This one destroys the Daniel Hacket And look,
he's not wrong. It was a disaster, but you don't
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say that. You don't say it. It may feel good
to you, but it's like sugar Man up and then
daddy like man. By the way, what happens if Russell
Wilson really doesn't have it anymore because he wasn't good
at the end of his Seahawks run, was he? And
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you got him under contract for three more seasons counting
this season guaranteed. So if he stinks, you're stuck with him,
which is why you're saying things to report to support him.
I get it, we all get it. We all understand
the game here. But there's a way to do it
without completely trashing the entire coaching staff in front office,
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some of whom remain with you, remain with you now.
I was off doing bod reps with teenagers and this
is what have you guys seen the vide You've seen
the video of of Uh, you haven't seen the video?
Oh yeah, there's a there's an epic video of Sean
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Payton last year with younger dudes doing a couple of
bong reps. It's outstanding. But the it doesn't mean he's wrong,
but he's wrong to say it. This makes sense. It
just doesn't mean you're wrong, but you're wrong. And we
all know instances like that, but specifically at work, and
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you can sit here and go, well, hey, this is
clearly his last job. He takes the TV mentality he's on.
You know, he doesn't care anymore. That's great, that's great.
But he also basically told you that his gentle manager,
the guy who's technically his boss, was more interested in
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winning press conferences and the offseason last year and the
circus than actually winning football games. And that's not exactly
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when you're really a friend, you go hey, no, but
you don't bail on the dude, right, You just go.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Like did you need to?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Did you need to make Nathaniel Hackett look like a
complete clown? Did you have to? This is why in
football games you don't run up a score stop for
the it's it's you. Just you don't clown people, and
he quite obviously is.
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So coming up, Joe Banner is going to be our guest.
We'll get his thoughts because he's a former front office
executive with the Eagles and the Browns co founder of
the thirty third team dot com. But I'll get his
thoughts on on this running back situation, which continues to
(10:36):
be part of the you know all part of this discussion. Apparently,
Josh Jacobs was offered twelve million dollars per year in
a contract extension. Turn it down, same money that Saquon
Barkley was offered. Turn it down. Here's Saquon Barkley talking
about why he signed one year deal with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I had a pitch on I had a mindset of
what I was going to do, but I changed my
mind and as is the wise words of a lot
of vets and who've reached out to me and who
set some stuff on the news and media. When you
show up, you can't have that in your heart. So
I put all that aside, and I focus on my teammates,
to everyone in that building and the fans, and go
out here and have a hell of here.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, I mean great? Is that what we think really happened.
Here's Jimmer say. He's the owner of the Inanapolis Colts.
The Colts are in a contract negotiation or standoff with
Jonathan Taylor, their star running back quote NFL running back situation.
We negotiate a CBA that took years of effort, hard work,
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and compromised in good faith by both sides. To say
now that a specific player category wants to negotiate after
the fact is inappropriate. Some agents are selling bad faith,
by the way, Jonathan Taylor's agent, Malkei Kewa of First
Round Management said, bad faith is no not paying your
(12:00):
top offensive player. Ka was said in a quote tweet
reply like, look, dude, they're gonna pay you. They're just
not gonna pay you as much as you want. That's reality.
You do know that everything is a business, just like that, right?
(12:22):
I mean, I actually think, and you guys tell me
if I'm wrong. I actually think radio is a parallel
to that. Parallel to that, Okay, I when I joined
Fox Sports Radio, and I think it's gotten even better
since then, like the addition of the odd Couple that
(12:45):
happened after I join us. I think that's a cool,
different sounding show than my show. I think Covino and
Rich is a different sounding show than my show. Hey,
you guys know, I like Jason Smith. Obviously he can
get hot takeye, And of course Ben Maller's like, you know,
the Prince of darkness. But it's cool, like he's got
(13:06):
his own following, They got their own shows. Would they
all sound different? And then our lead lineup right where
you have and we have two pros and a cup
of Joe. That's a different sort of morning show. Then
you lead into the Dan Patrick Show, who's a freaking
legend right like he announced last week he's gonna retire
in four years, ball or Move, And then you have
(13:29):
Cowherd so like look in traditional radio national sports radio
lineups morning show. When I started working at ESPN, Mike
and Mike were the number one show and they made
the most money. And then everybody else is trying to
play catch up to it. I don't know how much
(13:52):
they make, but I'm guessing Dan and Colin probably make
a lot more than than I do, and then everybody else,
and it's slotted based upon timeslot. Right, There's a lot
of things. And of course is your show simulcast that
creates more revenue streams? Et cetera, et cetera. It's so disingenuous,
these like Malki Kawa feel free. You guys, reach out,
(14:18):
get get the agent on the phone, okay, because what
they're saying is, hey, we know all these other deals
for contract extensions early on the player's career is a
bad business deal. But one, our guy is different and
two so what you know? They literally there is zero
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They offer zero actual factual evidence that says you should
pay a guy an absorbant amount of money. I mean,
Taylor is the perfect example because he's doing the Exeku Elliott, right,
but it's after his third year he wants more money
when the truth is the Colts don't have to do anything,
don't have negotiate. He can give it.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He has.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He had four more years with the team with zero
negotiation and he only gets the year three and four.
If they want to guarantee those singular years, those will
be franchise tag years. So it's not bad faith. Your
best player is completely subjective. And oh yeah, by the way,
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if he's so great, how'd you do last year? Why
did the Colts fire their coach? Why they fire their coach?
Why they change quarterbacks? Why they do that because their
quarterback wasn't good enough? He's the best, most important player.
Jonathan was jonadale a great last year? You play fantasy football?
(15:47):
Hell gome was Jonathan Taylor last year?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I find he did? Okay, right, Ramos, I don't think
he was good at all?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Right, Jonathan Taylor for the Colts.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
You think he get injured.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He did get injured. I mean, by the way, he
played eleven games. When he played, he was awesome. Okay, okay,
he's an awesome, awesome player. But like again, really, you're
gonna tell us that you need a contract extension. You
need a contract extension for a player who's likely to
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be more likely to be injured in the future, production
likely to go down, and you want us to pay
above the market when the market has said what it's worth.
You can sit here and tell me like, no, no, no, no,
we need to dial back to ten years ago and
running backs worth more. But there's no the market does
(16:40):
not say that I'm so fired up by the show
Hao tony thing, and I know it's the Tigers. I
know the Tigers stink. Can we at least try possible
conclusion that part of show hayes dominance today is whether
it's happiness or release or at least knowledge of where
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he's gonna play the rest of this year played a
part in it? Is that fair Ramos like, look, yeah,
I mean he's huh, he's had a great season.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't think he had any He has had a.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Great season pitching, he hasn't been as good a dominant
pitcher as he had been previously. Today he was filthy, filthy,
So but I mean, like again, my point is that,
you know, for the last week and a half, two weeks,
there's been all this speculation. Hey, anybody can get in
on this. Yesterday we got clarity and his response is
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nine innings, one hit, shut out, how many strikeouts? Sarah
Isaac long crime ohoo?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Eight strikeouts.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Now the question becomes does he hit in the in
the second? Is he the d H in the second game.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Now, why not, why not just set some more records
that haven't been done.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Sure, don't you want to do that? Like, look, you're
trying to make a playoff push, Like, is it really
that exhausting to hit four times? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Go for it?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
That's a And the thing about the Angels deal is,
and we don't know this, but boyd I mean this
is an all This is all in with a bad
hand right now. They don't have a terrible hand, but
they don't have king as they got a decent hand.
They're like, you know what, we've been playing cards this long.
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We could walk away with some money and play another day,
or we could go for it. They've chosen to go
for it. Let's get back to the NFL. Joe Banner
joins us, of course, long time executive in the NFL Eagles,
Browns co founder of thirty third team dot com thirty thirteen.
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(18:57):
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Doug Gottlieb Show. It feels like the running back discussion
is a bizarre one because owners, front office people, they're
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dealing with the current market, players and their agents and fans.
It's the older market and the emotions of Hey, this
guy scores touchdowns, so he's worth a bunch of money.
What are your thoughts on how this thing has evolved
or devolved in terms of their compensation.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Well, good to be honest with you, first of all,
and I'm so with the way you just described that.
I'm kind of frustrated by the debate, to be honest.
I mean, in football, and it's not limited to football,
you get paid based on how what you contribute to
the ultimate success of the business and how many people
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are available with the skill set that you have. So
running backs at this point in the NFL are important.
It's ridiculous to say they're not. And you're able to
win without a great running back, and there are more
running backs good enough to win a Super Bowl than
there are teams that need them. So it's economics one
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oh one that we probably took junior in high school
we have an abundance of players at a position. It's
only moderately important, you know. That said by the way,
I do think the Giants, you know, made a mistake,
and only this reason. I mean the market even reflecting
the way we're both described that you know, three years
ago for running backs was twelve twelve and a half
million dollars. It just took the amount the cap has
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gone up that equates to fourteenth to fifteen million dollars
in today's market. And those are players like Mixing and
Chubb and Jones and a group of players like that.
So I do think the Giants took this philosophy that
we're describing, I think correctly and fairly are by not
taking somebody's talent, as Barkley is, at least getting him
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to the present value of what the Mixings and the
Chubs signed for two or three years ago. So I
totally believe that the running back market is reset because
it's become somewhat less important to take every other position.
Guards make less than tackles because they have a smaller
impact on the game safe these make less than corners
because they have a smaller impact than who wins the game.
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And now running backs are making the same amount as
tight ends and less than wide receivers because of the
impact they have on who wins the game. But if
you get a top five player at a position and
you can re sign him for three or four years
for fifteen million dollars a year, fourteen million dollars a year,
I don't understand why you create a war at twelve.
That's my only thing. But I'm with you completely on
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how you're describing this. It's not a mystery. It reflects
the impact they have on winning and the excess of
talents at the position. That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And you're right in that Saquon he's one of a
couple guys. Now he's he a talent at that high level,
but their team is kind of built around him, right
like it's it's it's it's different. I mean, Tennessee is
probably one of the only other teams where it's really
built around that one guy. And though they haven't gotten
to a super Bowl, they've had a lot of success
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with that with that as the plan. Joe Banner, our
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
Okay, so if I Doug, yes, Henry is one of
the guys that got twelve five two years ago. So
if we're just saying we want to treat Barkley like
we treated Henry or the league treated Henry. Now, that's
fourteenth to fifteen million dollars a year on a three
to four year deal. I don't know why the Giants
couldn't get there and just make everybody feel good and
know they had him for the next three or four years.
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I vants he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What how do you think it affects their season? As
he's redone this deal and he signed a one year deal,
how does that actually affect the play?
Speaker 7 (22:54):
I mean, it's the fact that he came in so
quickly just shows you and in one hand is think
somebody who was in management.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
For a while.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
You know, I respect that he loved the game and
wants to win so badly. I also respect people, you know,
kind of fighting for you know, what they're worth and
what they earned. Some a little conflicted about that, but
I'm in the school of thinking the Giants kind of
overachieved last year. I don't think all this contract stuff
is what's going to affect their season much. I think
most of the players they've dealt with they've either got
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a deal done with or high enough characters and driven
enough that they'll do the best they can. I do
think the team, though, isn't quite as good as their
record last year, and there will be a challenge just
to match what they did last season, you know, wither
without all that kind of emotion that we've been talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well, the Eagles look like this year considering are you
brought back a lot, but you lost your coordinators and
especially Steichen like he had he was really dowaling it
up with Jalen Hurts. How does that affect a team?
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Yeah, listen, I think the coverage of the Eagles this
offseason where obviously I have you know, connection and rooting
interest and everything else, but a lot seven starters and
you know, the draft solid projection. I mean, people didn't
miss how talented Carter was. He's got concerns and could
turn out to be a great risk they took. It
could turn out to be a mistake. They lost seven starters,
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they weren't the most important positions, and they weren't their
best players. And the NFC is still lousy, So it
won't be shocking if they make the Super Bowl again.
But I think that they're a considerably weaker team than
they were last year, and they're constant the more young players,
they're counting in more projections the way I'd say it,
and they have in the past. But they're still very smart.
They get dominant lines, they got a great quarterback. They're
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still going to be a very good team. But people
almost fucking them like they're even better than last year.
I don't see that. I think if they can just
do what they did last year and tucking one loss record,
you know what's suit happens in the playoffs, but that'd
be at a better reflection to where the roster is,
you know, right now. So they're still a very good team.
They're probably the most talented team on paper in the
NFC still, But they didn't have a very good offseason.
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But that's what they planned for. I mean, they've almost
twenty nine million dollars of miscellaneous charges of money that
is coming off their caps for players are no longer
in their team. They lost those players for a reason
and it got them to last year's Super Bowl and
still leads them as one of the top couple of
teams in the NFC. But the coverage is if they've
had some spectacular, brilliant off season is not what I think.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I say.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Have you read Sean Payton's comments from today.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
I saw the excerpts, and I worked with Sean. In fact,
gave him his first to his quarterback coach in Philadelphia
under Ray Rose, gave his first job in the NFL.
So I know Sean well. He's a very blunt, straightforward guy,
but he's also very respectful of the coaching community. So
I was still surprised, not by the directness of bold
(25:44):
that that's who he is, but some of the things
that you know, probably made some of the people that
have been in the past feel like he was taking
shots at them. That that part I'm surprised by.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, So I mean I saw the same thing, like look,
as a radio guy, I love it, right, Like tell
me how you really feel shot? But I mean he
threw his current GM under the bus. Who obviously that's
I don't know how long term their relationship is anyway.
And then you know, like coaches don't usually do that.
They may say it and that's what they say in private,
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but publicly they just say, hey, we're doing a different way,
We're trying different things. How how what do what do
you think people in the NFL's reaction is that, I
mean he he completely obliterated Daniel Hacketts leadership from last season.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah, no, he he has stronger comments. This will obviously
anybody where a coach speak about on the coach talks
with him. Mean you mentioned the thirty thirt team. We
have coaches that talk about coaches and they're honest. They'll
give you their clear opinion, but they'll do it in
as kind of gentle way as they can, and that's
what we're used to seeing. The only thing I was
(26:52):
trying to think of, like, why would he do this?
Because Sean's a guy that does not do things in
the spur of the moment. He's not applied by the
city of pants kind of the guy. He's thoughtful. I'm
just wondering if he didn't think that he was trying
to help rebuild Russell Wilson's confidence, no question, no question,
making us seem bike.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And Russell Russell reads and listens to everything too right,
and this one's impossible to mix.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Yeah, I think that it was. Maybe maybe he went
a little too far and a little out of character,
although not in being bold and direct, that's who he is.
But I think he was just trying to send Russell
the message that I believe in you. I don't worry
about what happened last year. Let's look forward and we're
going to do great things together. That's the only explanation
I had for why he chose to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's a it's a it's a it's a very fair read.
Are we lad to believe that Aaron Rodgers really gave
back thirty five million? Or is that going to come back?
Because there's there's two voidable years at the end of
this deal. Anything, you know, it's the old any nine
time something's too good to be true, it is. It's
got to be he's got that money. He's got to
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be waiting for him at the end of a rainbow somewhere,
doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Well, I'm looking forward to actually reading it myself and
I leave because it was speculated behind the scenes, with
some reason from comments Jets people were making privately that
there was an understanding that he would probably more than
a year, and that he would make adjustments that were actual,
you know, reductions versus restructures of his contract. I was
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very surprised by the size of what it ended up being.
So I'm a little skeptical too, until I actually get
a chance to see the contract and see if this
way is to recover, or if it's converted to incentives, or
maybe it's you know, meaningful but less than what's being reported.
I won't trust it until I see it myself.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Does that work? Do you think Aaron Rodgers with a
Nathaniel Hackett offense? Does that work with the Jets and
take them back to the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Playoffs? Good chance deep into the playoffs? I don't believe it.
I just, first of all, I have some still questions
about the coaching staff, so I've had since it was hired.
Teams that win deep into the playoffs usually have dominant
offensive and defensive line. They have a very good defensive line.
I'm not quite sure it's dominant. They have an offensive
(29:04):
line I literally worry about. And you got a thirty
eight yelled quarterback hasn't missed a lot of games, so
it has been getting nicked up more often recently, and
he has in the past. So I think there's a
reasonable chance to make the playoffs, although I don't even
consider that a sure thing. I consider it more likely
than not, but the deep runs of the playoff and
have they kind of taken their shot to win the
Super Bowl the next year or two if that's what
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they did, and it certainly looks like the way they
spent money even with this Cutt and Rogers contract, I
will be very surprised if that happens.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Last thing. As of now, Justin Herbert is the highest
paid player in the NFL in the yearly average. I'm
a buyer into the Chargers. I know they collapsed in
the playoffs. I like the I like, you know, changing
offensive coordinators. I think that fits Herbert a lot better
and fits and I love the skill set of the
(29:55):
players they have and now you get your left tackle back.
But so many p people in the league just can't
buy into the Chargers winning big.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
What about you?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I'm buying it the charge just I mean, the AFC
is just so tough when you talk about depth of
the playoffs. But I think that the offensive cord inter
changes a big upgrade. I think that Herbert should continue
to get better. In my opinion, is already at a
very high level. And that is some quantit players. I
think in an left tackle back is huge, you know,
They're just in a very tough division and then a
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really really tough conference, and you talk about like who'll
be standing it, let's say the final four, but I
expect the Charge to be a very very good team.
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going on, and maybe a little bit more tactfully then
Sean Payne did in that USA Today article. Joe, have
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a great week, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Love having you on my pleasure. Good to be with you.
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Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Jason Robert Sala was asked about the Sean Payton comments, Well.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that is he
you know, he's been in the legal while he can
say what other hell he wants.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
But but as.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Far as you know what we have going on here,
I kind of lived by a saying, if you ain't
got no haters, you ain't popping, So hate away. Obviously
we're doing something right if you got to talk about
us when we don't play it till week four, and
I'm good with it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You know, the guys in our locker.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Room, they've earned everything that's coming to them and really
excited about what's going on. I think Hackett's doing a
phenomenal job here him.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What do you say if it ain't if they ain't hating,
it ain't popping.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, if they ain't hating, you ain't popping.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
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Speaker 3 (32:26):
This is Game Time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Ia Sak Long on Crombedy.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Got let's bring some warmth to the cold. I feel
a draft, all right, today's draft. We're gonna draft the
quarterbacks we want to see featured on Netflix's next season
of Quarterback. The order is Doug first, so you can't
(32:56):
trade up this time, haha, followed by Jason John myself,
and then back around in a snake format.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Just for context.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
The previous document documentary featured Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, Marcus
Mariota among those who have turned down next season the
likes of Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurt. So here comes
our number one selection from Doug gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Uh. Number one guy I'd like to see on Netflix. Yeah,
Joe Burrow the guy.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
All right, Jill Burrow be the gay Joe Burrow, like
it or not, Joe, you gotta be on next season.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
On to Jason start with the number two pick.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
All right.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
So I want to see Kyler Murray featured only because
it would kind of like be what is that streaming
service where you watch people play video games with?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Twitch? Yeah? Twitch? Just be like Twitch.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
You just watch him and how he does on his
his whatever you call those games? Black ops and stuff,
and I want to see, like how he just responds
today to day questions and stuff, and uh no, that'd
be cool.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Kyler Murray's my film.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
John Ramis with the third pick, hum, I think Lamar
Jackson would be interesting to follow.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I think he's kind of a polarizing quarterback. You're not
sure what he's going to do next, So I'd say
Lamar Jackson would be my pick.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
And I have the fourth and fifth picks. I cannot
believe the three of you goofs did not pick Jimmy Garoppolo.
I mean, talk about a window into a quarterback's life,
and he's gorgeous. I can get lost in those cheek
bones anyway, So I'm taking Jimmy Garoppolo with a fourth
(34:53):
pick for the number five pick. I also can't you
can't believe you goofs didn't take Gardner Minshew. You want
to talk about personality, So we got Garoppolo at four,
Gardner Minshew at five.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Minutes.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Back to John Ramos with the six peck because the
minsh you have a job. He technically does with the
Indianapolis Colts. Okay, but even if he doesn't, still, I
mean those jeorts alone all right, John.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
I think I think Derek Carr would be interesting just
because I think he's angry.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think Derek Carr would would would have a very
Kirk Cousins like Field.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Think right where like you'd end up really liking me
as as a person and giving him a pass for
not being as great up pro but like he's really good.
So yeah, I think that's that's a good good call.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Follow along his hair coloring routine, allegedly all right, Jason
Store with the Seventh Picks hair, I'm sorry colors his hair.
I didn't say that, Did I say that?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
He did say sorry. You know, I have no inside information.
I just look at I've just looked at his hair
on the sideline for the last several years.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You guys like, are you guys ever be hair color?
Guys like, I'll never be.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
A hair color. Never once frosted tips.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like the gray temples. You know, I'm like temples up the.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh color your hair? That's gray? I think you meant
like frosted tips and stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
No, no, no, I'm talking like the I like the
I like the salt with the pepper. It's sophisticated. It
is sophisticated, A bunch of future but he sees me,
he says, sophistication, a bunch of future yours. I can't
wait for my pick because I have a really good pick.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
Go a bunch of future silver Foxes around here. I'm
gonna steal it, Deshaun Watson. I need a lot of
those uncomfortable moments.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Guys, this guy's starting quarterback and you've completely forgotten about it.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, Baker maybe?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Oh good one Baker Mayfield, And that's good.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
This is game time on the Gottlief Show.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You guys are just hating because Showhy is awesome and
he likes being an angel, and I hope he resigns
being an angel. I continue to think his translator has
like the world's greatest life. Great life gets to experience
all this stuff, and all I ask to do is
answer a couple of questions. And as long as he
gets the translation right, he's good. He's good. That's not
that hard. And I can't speak Japanese, but I figure
(37:12):
it wouldn't be that hard, all right. Coming up next,
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Angels are like, we're not sellers, were buyers?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Huh ah?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Get to that in the moment big story in football
to day. I guess there's a couple. Jalen Ramsey went
down with an injury. Don't have an update on that,
but he was carted off. That's not good. It was
lower leg that means knee, also not good. And then
who wasn't for the Jets who he walked off under
his own power?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, Garrett Wilson, star wide receiver, a very talented wide
receiver for the Jets. Looked like something happened, but he
was not carted off. So we'll get an update for
you on on both of those gentlemen upcoming. ILO's in
the update chair. Of course, you got Jay stew and
John Ramos. This is Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio,
Fox sport Trade dot Com, the iHeartRadio app. Remember we
(02:01):
have a one hour live pod which drops after this
show called in the Bonus, and we'll get to we'll
also get to Colorado in the show and out of
the show Colorado rejoining the Big Twelve. But this is
the story of the day in the NFL, is that
Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Just goes.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I guess General Sherman right, and he completely burns down
everything that took place in Denver last year and frankly
his boss this year in Denver. Quote, it doesn't happen
often when where an NFL team or organization gets embarrassed.
(02:40):
That happened here, parv. It was their own fault relative
to spending too much effing time trying to win the
offseason pr the pomp circumstance, the marching people around, all
this stuff. We're not doing any of that. The Jets
did that this year. You watch hard Knocks, all of it.
I can see it coming. Remember when Dan Steyder put
that dream team together. I was with the Giants in
two thousand. I was a young coach and thought, how
(03:03):
are we going to compete with them? Dion Sanders over
there they won eight games whatever, So listen, just put
in the work. There's so much dirt around that. There's
twenty dirty hands for what was allowed tolerated in freaking
training rooms and meeting rooms. The offense. I don't know,
Nathaniel Hackett. I know a lot of people had dirt
(03:23):
on their hands. It wasn't just Russell. He didn't just flip.
He still has it this bs is He's hit a wall.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Shoot.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They couldn't get in a play. They were twenty ninth
in the league in prestat penalties and both sides of
the ball. So he throws Nathaniel Hackett completely under the bus.
He does, honestly the same, does some damage to George Patten,
his general manager, I guess in his boss. I mean,
(03:53):
take a listen to this quote. That wasn't his fault,
him being Russell Wilson. That was the parents who allowed it.
That's not an incrimination on him, but incrimination on the
head coach of the GM, the president, and everybody who
watched it happen. Now, a quarterback having an office and
a place to watch film is normal, but all these
things get magnified when you're losing and other stuff. I've
(04:16):
never heard of it. We're not doing that. So, in
an effort to tell everybody there's a new sheriff in town,
in an effort to take the criticism away from his quarterback,
he destroys Nathaniel Hackett and does damage to George Patten,
(04:37):
who technically is his boss. Now there's part of me
the broadcast, Doug says, at a boy, give us the
good stuff, give us the real stuff, tell us how
you really feel. But then there's the sports guy in me,
the coaching background in me that says, what do you do?
(05:02):
And then there's the other part of the opinion, which
people may not want to hear. This is why some
teams didn't pull the trigger. Like, there's a lot of
reasons the Chargers didn't fire Brandon Staley. This is one
of them. Because Sean Payton is a really good coach.
Don't believe me. Just ask him, Okay, just ask him,
(05:26):
and he's gonna want his own guys in there. Case
in point, Remember he turned down the Broncos job and
only took the Broncos job when they were in complete
desperation and they massively overpaid for him. So he doesn't
respect George Patten at all. If he did, you know,
(05:47):
he wouldn't say any of this. It's a very you
can say, here's the same how about the same quotes.
I don't put most of it, all of it. I
put a very small fraction of it on Russell. You know,
there's a different coaching staff that did things a different way,
and we're not doing it that way. We're gonna do
it my way. I believe it's time tested, it works.
(06:09):
I learned from Bill Parcells. I've been doing this myself
for twenty years and I think it works. And I
don't blame anyone for anything that could be deemed a mistake.
Last year, last year was last year. This is a
completely new year. How does that quote work as opposed
to this one? This one destroys the Daniel Hacket And look,
he's not wrong. It was a disaster, but you don't
(06:32):
say that. You don't say it. It may feel good
to you, but it's like sugar Man up and then
daddy like man. By the way, what happens if Russell
Wilson really doesn't have it anymore because he wasn't good
at the end of his Seahawks run, was he? And
(06:53):
you got him under contract for three more seasons counting
this season guaranteed. So if he stinks, you're stuck with him,
which is why you're saying things to report to support him.
I get it, we all get it. We all understand
the game here. But there's a way to do it
without completely trashing the entire coaching staff in front office,
(07:13):
some of whom remain with you, remain with you now.
I was off doing bod reps with teenagers and this
is what have you guys seen the vide You've seen
the video of of Uh, you haven't seen the video?
Oh yeah, there's a there's an epic video of Sean
(07:35):
Payton last year with younger dudes doing a couple of
bong reps. It's outstanding. But the it doesn't mean he's wrong,
but he's wrong to say it. This makes sense. It
just doesn't mean you're wrong, but you're wrong. And we
all know instances like that, but specifically at work, and
(08:00):
you can sit here and go, well, hey, this is
clearly his last job. He takes the TV mentality he's on.
You know, he doesn't care anymore. That's great, that's great.
But he also basically told you that his gentle manager,
the guy who's technically his boss, was more interested in
(08:24):
winning press conferences and the offseason last year and the
circus than actually winning football games. And that's not exactly
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But like, when you're really a friend that this is
our work. When you're really a friend, you go like, hey, now. Now,
when you're really a friend, you go hey, no, but
you don't bail on the dude, right, You just go.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Like did you need to?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Did you need to make Nathaniel Hackett look like a
complete clown? Did you have to? This is why in
football games you don't run up a score stop for
the it's it's you. Just you don't clown people, and
he quite obviously is.
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So coming up, Joe Banner is going to be our guest.
We'll get his thoughts because he's a former front office
executive with the Eagles and the Browns co founder of
the thirty third team dot com. But I'll get his
thoughts on on this running back situation, which continues to
(10:36):
be part of the you know all part of this discussion. Apparently,
Josh Jacobs was offered twelve million dollars per year in
a contract extension. Turn it down, same money that Saquon
Barkley was offered. Turn it down. Here's Saquon Barkley talking
about why he signed one year deal with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I had a pitch on I had a mindset of
what I was going to do, but I changed my
mind and as is the wise words of a lot
of vets and who've reached out to me and who
set some stuff on the news and media. When you
show up, you can't have that in your heart. So
I put all that aside, and I focus on my teammates,
to everyone in that building and the fans, and go
out here and have a hell of here.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, I mean great? Is that what we think really happened.
Here's Jimmer say. He's the owner of the Inanapolis Colts.
The Colts are in a contract negotiation or standoff with
Jonathan Taylor, their star running back quote NFL running back situation.
We negotiate a CBA that took years of effort, hard work,
(11:39):
and compromised in good faith by both sides. To say
now that a specific player category wants to negotiate after
the fact is inappropriate. Some agents are selling bad faith,
by the way, Jonathan Taylor's agent, Malkei Kewa of First
Round Management said, bad faith is no not paying your
(12:00):
top offensive player. Ka was said in a quote tweet
reply like, look, dude, they're gonna pay you. They're just
not gonna pay you as much as you want. That's reality.
You do know that everything is a business, just like that, right?
(12:22):
I mean, I actually think, and you guys tell me
if I'm wrong. I actually think radio is a parallel
to that. Parallel to that, Okay, I when I joined
Fox Sports Radio, and I think it's gotten even better
since then, like the addition of the odd Couple that
(12:45):
happened after I join us. I think that's a cool,
different sounding show than my show. I think Covino and
Rich is a different sounding show than my show. Hey,
you guys know, I like Jason Smith. Obviously he can
get hot takeye, And of course Ben Maller's like, you know,
the Prince of darkness. But it's cool, like he's got
(13:06):
his own following, They got their own shows. Would they
all sound different? And then our lead lineup right where
you have and we have two pros and a cup
of Joe. That's a different sort of morning show. Then
you lead into the Dan Patrick Show, who's a freaking
legend right like he announced last week he's gonna retire
in four years, ball or Move, And then you have
(13:29):
Cowherd so like look in traditional radio national sports radio
lineups morning show. When I started working at ESPN, Mike
and Mike were the number one show and they made
the most money. And then everybody else is trying to
play catch up to it. I don't know how much
(13:52):
they make, but I'm guessing Dan and Colin probably make
a lot more than than I do, and then everybody else,
and it's slotted based upon timeslot. Right, There's a lot
of things. And of course is your show simulcast that
creates more revenue streams? Et cetera, et cetera. It's so disingenuous,
these like Malki Kawa feel free. You guys, reach out,
(14:18):
get get the agent on the phone, okay, because what
they're saying is, hey, we know all these other deals
for contract extensions early on the player's career is a
bad business deal. But one, our guy is different and
two so what you know? They literally there is zero
(14:41):
They offer zero actual factual evidence that says you should
pay a guy an absorbant amount of money. I mean,
Taylor is the perfect example because he's doing the Exeku Elliott, right,
but it's after his third year he wants more money
when the truth is the Colts don't have to do anything,
don't have negotiate. He can give it.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He has.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
He had four more years with the team with zero
negotiation and he only gets the year three and four.
If they want to guarantee those singular years, those will
be franchise tag years. So it's not bad faith. Your
best player is completely subjective. And oh yeah, by the way,
(15:24):
if he's so great, how'd you do last year? Why
did the Colts fire their coach? Why they fire their coach?
Why they change quarterbacks? Why they do that because their
quarterback wasn't good enough? He's the best, most important player.
Jonathan was jonadale a great last year? You play fantasy football?
(15:47):
Hell gome was Jonathan Taylor last year?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I find he did? Okay, right, Ramos, I don't think
he was good at all?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Right, Jonathan Taylor for the Colts.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
You think he get injured.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
He did get injured. I mean, by the way, he
played eleven games. When he played, he was awesome. Okay, okay,
he's an awesome, awesome player. But like again, really, you're
gonna tell us that you need a contract extension. You
need a contract extension for a player who's likely to
(16:20):
be more likely to be injured in the future, production
likely to go down, and you want us to pay
above the market when the market has said what it's worth.
You can sit here and tell me like, no, no, no, no,
we need to dial back to ten years ago and
running backs worth more. But there's no the market does
(16:40):
not say that I'm so fired up by the show
Hao tony thing, and I know it's the Tigers. I
know the Tigers stink. Can we at least try possible
conclusion that part of show hayes dominance today is whether
it's happiness or release or at least knowledge of where
(17:03):
he's gonna play the rest of this year played a
part in it? Is that fair Ramos like, look, yeah,
I mean he's huh, he's had a great season.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't think he had any He has had a.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Great season pitching, he hasn't been as good a dominant
pitcher as he had been previously. Today he was filthy, filthy,
So but I mean, like again, my point is that,
you know, for the last week and a half, two weeks,
there's been all this speculation. Hey, anybody can get in
on this. Yesterday we got clarity and his response is
(17:37):
nine innings, one hit, shut out, how many strikeouts? Sarah
Isaac long crime ohoo?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Eight strikeouts.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Now the question becomes does he hit in the in
the second? Is he the d H in the second game.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Now, why not, why not just set some more records
that haven't been done.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Sure, don't you want to do that? Like, look, you're
trying to make a playoff push, Like, is it really
that exhausting to hit four times? What do you think?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Go for it?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
That's a And the thing about the Angels deal is,
and we don't know this, but boyd I mean this
is an all This is all in with a bad
hand right now. They don't have a terrible hand, but
they don't have king as they got a decent hand.
They're like, you know what, we've been playing cards this long.
(18:35):
We could walk away with some money and play another day,
or we could go for it. They've chosen to go
for it. Let's get back to the NFL. Joe Banner
joins us, of course, long time executive in the NFL Eagles,
Browns co founder of thirty third team dot com thirty thirteen.
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(18:57):
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team dot Com. Joe Banner joins us now on The
Doug Gottlieb Show. It feels like the running back discussion
is a bizarre one because owners, front office people, they're
(19:20):
dealing with the current market, players and their agents and fans.
It's the older market and the emotions of Hey, this
guy scores touchdowns, so he's worth a bunch of money.
What are your thoughts on how this thing has evolved
or devolved in terms of their compensation.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Well, good to be honest with you, first of all,
and I'm so with the way you just described that.
I'm kind of frustrated by the debate, to be honest.
I mean, in football, and it's not limited to football,
you get paid based on how what you contribute to
the ultimate success of the business and how many people
(20:00):
are available with the skill set that you have. So
running backs at this point in the NFL are important.
It's ridiculous to say they're not. And you're able to
win without a great running back, and there are more
running backs good enough to win a Super Bowl than
there are teams that need them. So it's economics one
(20:20):
oh one that we probably took junior in high school
we have an abundance of players at a position. It's
only moderately important, you know. That said by the way,
I do think the Giants, you know, made a mistake,
and only this reason. I mean the market even reflecting
the way we're both described that you know, three years
ago for running backs was twelve twelve and a half
million dollars. It just took the amount the cap has
(20:43):
gone up that equates to fourteenth to fifteen million dollars
in today's market. And those are players like Mixing and
Chubb and Jones and a group of players like that.
So I do think the Giants took this philosophy that
we're describing, I think correctly and fairly are by not
taking somebody's talent, as Barkley is, at least getting him
(21:03):
to the present value of what the Mixings and the
Chubs signed for two or three years ago. So I
totally believe that the running back market is reset because
it's become somewhat less important to take every other position.
Guards make less than tackles because they have a smaller
impact on the game safe these make less than corners
because they have a smaller impact than who wins the game.
(21:23):
And now running backs are making the same amount as
tight ends and less than wide receivers because of the
impact they have on who wins the game. But if
you get a top five player at a position and
you can re sign him for three or four years
for fifteen million dollars a year, fourteen million dollars a year,
I don't understand why you create a war at twelve.
That's my only thing. But I'm with you completely on
(21:45):
how you're describing this. It's not a mystery. It reflects
the impact they have on winning and the excess of
talents at the position. That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And you're right in that Saquon he's one of a
couple guys. Now he's he a talent at that high level,
but their team is kind of built around him, right
like it's it's it's it's different. I mean, Tennessee is
probably one of the only other teams where it's really
built around that one guy. And though they haven't gotten
to a super Bowl, they've had a lot of success
(22:14):
with that with that as the plan. Joe Banner, our
guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
Okay, so if I Doug, yes, Henry is one of
the guys that got twelve five two years ago. So
if we're just saying we want to treat Barkley like
we treated Henry or the league treated Henry. Now, that's
fourteenth to fifteen million dollars a year on a three
to four year deal. I don't know why the Giants
couldn't get there and just make everybody feel good and
know they had him for the next three or four years.
(22:43):
I vants he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
What how do you think it affects their season? As
he's redone this deal and he signed a one year deal,
how does that actually affect the play?
Speaker 7 (22:54):
I mean, it's the fact that he came in so
quickly just shows you and in one hand is think
somebody who was in management.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
For a while.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
You know, I respect that he loved the game and
wants to win so badly. I also respect people, you know,
kind of fighting for you know, what they're worth and
what they earned. Some a little conflicted about that, but
I'm in the school of thinking the Giants kind of
overachieved last year. I don't think all this contract stuff
is what's going to affect their season much. I think
most of the players they've dealt with they've either got
(23:21):
a deal done with or high enough characters and driven
enough that they'll do the best they can. I do
think the team, though, isn't quite as good as their
record last year, and there will be a challenge just
to match what they did last season, you know, wither
without all that kind of emotion that we've been talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well, the Eagles look like this year considering are you
brought back a lot, but you lost your coordinators and
especially Steichen like he had he was really dowaling it
up with Jalen Hurts. How does that affect a team?
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Yeah, listen, I think the coverage of the Eagles this
offseason where obviously I have you know, connection and rooting
interest and everything else, but a lot seven starters and
you know, the draft solid projection. I mean, people didn't
miss how talented Carter was. He's got concerns and could
turn out to be a great risk they took. It
could turn out to be a mistake. They lost seven starters,
(24:13):
they weren't the most important positions, and they weren't their
best players. And the NFC is still lousy, So it
won't be shocking if they make the Super Bowl again.
But I think that they're a considerably weaker team than
they were last year, and they're constant the more young players,
they're counting in more projections the way I'd say it,
and they have in the past. But they're still very smart.
They get dominant lines, they got a great quarterback. They're
(24:34):
still going to be a very good team. But people
almost fucking them like they're even better than last year.
I don't see that. I think if they can just
do what they did last year and tucking one loss record,
you know what's suit happens in the playoffs, but that'd
be at a better reflection to where the roster is,
you know, right now. So they're still a very good team.
They're probably the most talented team on paper in the
NFC still, But they didn't have a very good offseason.
(24:58):
But that's what they planned for. I mean, they've almost
twenty nine million dollars of miscellaneous charges of money that
is coming off their caps for players are no longer
in their team. They lost those players for a reason
and it got them to last year's Super Bowl and
still leads them as one of the top couple of
teams in the NFC. But the coverage is if they've
had some spectacular, brilliant off season is not what I think.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I say.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Have you read Sean Payton's comments from today.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
I saw the excerpts, and I worked with Sean. In fact,
gave him his first to his quarterback coach in Philadelphia
under Ray Rose, gave his first job in the NFL.
So I know Sean well. He's a very blunt, straightforward guy,
but he's also very respectful of the coaching community. So
I was still surprised, not by the directness of bold
(25:44):
that that's who he is, but some of the things
that you know, probably made some of the people that
have been in the past feel like he was taking
shots at them. That that part I'm surprised by.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, So I mean I saw the same thing, like look,
as a radio guy, I love it, right, Like tell
me how you really feel shot? But I mean he
threw his current GM under the bus. Who obviously that's
I don't know how long term their relationship is anyway.
And then you know, like coaches don't usually do that.
They may say it and that's what they say in private,
(26:14):
but publicly they just say, hey, we're doing a different way,
We're trying different things. How how what do what do
you think people in the NFL's reaction is that, I
mean he he completely obliterated Daniel Hacketts leadership from last season.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Yeah, no, he he has stronger comments. This will obviously
anybody where a coach speak about on the coach talks
with him. Mean you mentioned the thirty thirt team. We
have coaches that talk about coaches and they're honest. They'll
give you their clear opinion, but they'll do it in
as kind of gentle way as they can, and that's
what we're used to seeing. The only thing I was
(26:52):
trying to think of, like, why would he do this?
Because Sean's a guy that does not do things in
the spur of the moment. He's not applied by the
city of pants kind of the guy. He's thoughtful. I'm
just wondering if he didn't think that he was trying
to help rebuild Russell Wilson's confidence, no question, no question,
making us seem bike.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And Russell Russell reads and listens to everything too right,
and this one's impossible to mix.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
Yeah, I think that it was. Maybe maybe he went
a little too far and a little out of character,
although not in being bold and direct, that's who he is.
But I think he was just trying to send Russell
the message that I believe in you. I don't worry
about what happened last year. Let's look forward and we're
going to do great things together. That's the only explanation
I had for why he chose to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's a it's a it's a it's a very fair read.
Are we lad to believe that Aaron Rodgers really gave
back thirty five million? Or is that going to come back?
Because there's there's two voidable years at the end of
this deal. Anything, you know, it's the old any nine
time something's too good to be true, it is. It's
got to be he's got that money. He's got to
(27:53):
be waiting for him at the end of a rainbow somewhere,
doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Well, I'm looking forward to actually reading it myself and
I leave because it was speculated behind the scenes, with
some reason from comments Jets people were making privately that
there was an understanding that he would probably more than
a year, and that he would make adjustments that were actual,
you know, reductions versus restructures of his contract. I was
(28:17):
very surprised by the size of what it ended up being.
So I'm a little skeptical too, until I actually get
a chance to see the contract and see if this
way is to recover, or if it's converted to incentives, or
maybe it's you know, meaningful but less than what's being reported.
I won't trust it until I see it myself.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Does that work? Do you think Aaron Rodgers with a
Nathaniel Hackett offense? Does that work with the Jets and
take them back to the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Playoffs? Good chance deep into the playoffs? I don't believe it.
I just, first of all, I have some still questions
about the coaching staff, so I've had since it was hired.
Teams that win deep into the playoffs usually have dominant
offensive and defensive line. They have a very good defensive line.
I'm not quite sure it's dominant. They have an offensive
(29:04):
line I literally worry about. And you got a thirty
eight yelled quarterback hasn't missed a lot of games, so
it has been getting nicked up more often recently, and
he has in the past. So I think there's a
reasonable chance to make the playoffs, although I don't even
consider that a sure thing. I consider it more likely
than not, but the deep runs of the playoff and
have they kind of taken their shot to win the
Super Bowl the next year or two if that's what
(29:25):
they did, and it certainly looks like the way they
spent money even with this Cutt and Rogers contract, I
will be very surprised if that happens.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Last thing. As of now, Justin Herbert is the highest
paid player in the NFL in the yearly average. I'm
a buyer into the Chargers. I know they collapsed in
the playoffs. I like the I like, you know, changing
offensive coordinators. I think that fits Herbert a lot better
and fits and I love the skill set of the
(29:55):
players they have and now you get your left tackle back.
But so many p people in the league just can't
buy into the Chargers winning big.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
What about you?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
I'm buying it the charge just I mean, the AFC
is just so tough when you talk about depth of
the playoffs. But I think that the offensive cord inter
changes a big upgrade. I think that Herbert should continue
to get better. In my opinion, is already at a
very high level. And that is some quantit players. I
think in an left tackle back is huge, you know,
They're just in a very tough division and then a
(30:27):
really really tough conference, and you talk about like who'll
be standing it, let's say the final four, but I
expect the Charge to be a very very good team.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It's the thirty third team dot Com. Thhe thirty third
is three three r D team dot Com. Check it out.
Unbelievable site with as Joe point out, you get the
real people inside the football world telling you what's really
going on, and maybe a little bit more tactfully then
Sean Payne did in that USA Today article. Joe, have
(30:56):
a great week, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Love having you on my pleasure. Good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
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Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Jason Robert Sala was asked about the Sean Payton comments, Well.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that is he
you know, he's been in the legal while he can
say what other hell he wants.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
But but as.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Far as you know what we have going on here,
I kind of lived by a saying, if you ain't
got no haters, you ain't popping, So hate away. Obviously
we're doing something right if you got to talk about
us when we don't play it till week four, and
I'm good with it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You know, the guys in our locker.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Room, they've earned everything that's coming to them and really
excited about what's going on. I think Hackett's doing a
phenomenal job here him.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What do you say if it ain't if they ain't hating,
it ain't popping.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, if they ain't hating, you ain't popping.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Sure be sure to catch the live edition The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
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Speaker 3 (32:26):
This is Game Time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Ia Sak Long on Crombedy.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Got let's bring some warmth to the cold. I feel
a draft, all right, today's draft. We're gonna draft the
quarterbacks we want to see featured on Netflix's next season
of Quarterback. The order is Doug first, so you can't
(32:56):
trade up this time, haha, followed by Jason John myself,
and then back around in a snake format.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Just for context.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
The previous document documentary featured Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, Marcus
Mariota among those who have turned down next season the
likes of Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurt. So here comes
our number one selection from Doug gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Uh. Number one guy I'd like to see on Netflix. Yeah,
Joe Burrow the guy.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
All right, Jill Burrow be the gay Joe Burrow, like
it or not, Joe, you gotta be on next season.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
On to Jason start with the number two pick.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
All right.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
So I want to see Kyler Murray featured only because
it would kind of like be what is that streaming
service where you watch people play video games with?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Twitch? Yeah? Twitch? Just be like Twitch.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
You just watch him and how he does on his
his whatever you call those games? Black ops and stuff,
and I want to see, like how he just responds
today to day questions and stuff, and uh no, that'd
be cool.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Kyler Murray's my film.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
John Ramis with the third pick, hum, I think Lamar
Jackson would be interesting to follow.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I think he's kind of a polarizing quarterback. You're not
sure what he's going to do next, So I'd say
Lamar Jackson would be my pick.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
And I have the fourth and fifth picks. I cannot
believe the three of you goofs did not pick Jimmy Garoppolo.
I mean, talk about a window into a quarterback's life,
and he's gorgeous. I can get lost in those cheek
bones anyway, So I'm taking Jimmy Garoppolo with a fourth
(34:53):
pick for the number five pick. I also can't you
can't believe you goofs didn't take Gardner Minshew. You want
to talk about personality, So we got Garoppolo at four,
Gardner Minshew at five.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Minutes.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Back to John Ramos with the six peck because the
minsh you have a job. He technically does with the
Indianapolis Colts. Okay, but even if he doesn't, still, I
mean those jeorts alone all right, John.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
I think I think Derek Carr would be interesting just
because I think he's angry.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think Derek Carr would would would have a very
Kirk Cousins like Field.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Think right where like you'd end up really liking me
as as a person and giving him a pass for
not being as great up pro but like he's really good.
So yeah, I think that's that's a good good call.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
Follow along his hair coloring routine, allegedly all right, Jason
Store with the Seventh Picks hair, I'm sorry colors his hair.
I didn't say that, Did I say that?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
He did say sorry. You know, I have no inside information.
I just look at I've just looked at his hair
on the sideline for the last several years.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
You guys like, are you guys ever be hair color?
Guys like, I'll never be.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
A hair color. Never once frosted tips.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like the gray temples. You know, I'm like temples up the.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Oh color your hair? That's gray? I think you meant
like frosted tips and stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
No, no, no, I'm talking like the I like the
I like the salt with the pepper. It's sophisticated. It
is sophisticated, A bunch of future but he sees me,
he says, sophistication, a bunch of future yours. I can't
wait for my pick because I have a really good pick.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
Go a bunch of future silver Foxes around here. I'm
gonna steal it, Deshaun Watson. I need a lot of
those uncomfortable moments.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Guys, this guy's starting quarterback and you've completely forgotten about it.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, Baker maybe?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Oh good one Baker Mayfield, And that's good.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
This is game time on the Gottlief Show.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You guys are just hating because Showhy is awesome and
he likes being an angel, and I hope he resigns
being an angel. I continue to think his translator has
like the world's greatest life. Great life gets to experience
all this stuff, and all I ask to do is
answer a couple of questions. And as long as he
gets the translation right, he's good. He's good. That's not
that hard. And I can't speak Japanese, but I figure
(37:12):
it wouldn't be that hard, all right. Coming up next,
Colorado is moving. Wait, how do you move a state?
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