August 10, 2023 • 46 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug details this strange week in Washington as Commanders head coach Ron Rivera and Eric Bienemy have addressed player complaints about how Bienemy coaches them. Doug points out that Bienemy is proving why he was passed up for head coaching jobs.
Doug welcomes FSR MLB Insider Jon Morosi into the show to talk about Shohei Ohtani, the Dodgers and all of the other headlines around MLB this week.
Doug explains why the Ravens have a lot of question marks this season, and OBJ is just one of them. Doug and Dan Beyer discuss the Eric Bienemy situation.
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What Up, America, It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. I'm Dan Beyer efforting the one and only
Doug Gottlieb. In a matter of minutes here on Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome in, glad to have you with us
on this Thursday, where the NFL's preseason begins. I know
there was a game last week, but it's like week
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one of the preseason where everybody's playing.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This week.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
You got two games Texans and Patriots, Vikings in Seahawks playing,
so football is officially here. The Washington Commanders don't play
until tomorrow and they face the Cleveland Browns. But I'll
tell you what the Commanders. The Commanders may need a
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a great time to be a Commander's football fan, supposed
to be a great time to be a fan of
the Washington football team if you preferred that former name. Heck,
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the offseason was already won by the Washington Commanders when
Daniel Snyder no longer owned the franchise. Now that Josh
Harris is in charge, you thought, maybe better things are
to come, that we have hit rock bottom and now
we are on our way back to being the proud
franchise that they once were in Washington. And then trading
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Camp twenty twenty three happened, and more of the dysfunction
that had happened, maybe not to the severity that had
happened in the Daniel Snyder era, but dysfunction still remains
in Washington, DC, and it still is continuing between the
head coach and that Ron Rivera made earlier this week
about offensive coordinator Eric b Enemy, who was in his
first season with the team. And it's been an interesting
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story because Rivera's not the first head coach so far
this year to speak out and then try to walk
back on some of his comments. We know what happened
to Sean Payton or the Broncos when he spoke with
USA today and talked about Nathaniel Hackett and the worst
coaching job in the NFL, and YadA, YadA, YadA. We
heard a head coach already speak out and then the
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next day walk his words back. But here's the thing.
Nathaniel Hackett is in New York right now and they
may not be accepting the call that Jean Payton said
he was going to make to the Jets. Robert Salam
may say thanks, but no thanks. Nathaniel Hackett may have
no business in hearing from Sean Payton, and that's fine.
Ron Rivera is criticizing a guy in his own building,
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on his own staff that he hired this off season.
And that is what is so crazy about this situation
with the Washington Commanders. So it is a story that
is just for some reason, seem to have this really
really weird twist because you thought good times were ahead,
but they are not for the Washington commanders is drama
still exists, and Doug Gottlieb is here to man the controls.
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It's all yours, Leggie.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
All right, thanks so much. Dan. It's going to be
back a couple of days off. And I you know,
I always say, Dan, I don't hate to say I
told you so, because I did tell you so. And
we've been through this for a couple of years now
where you had this narrative that the reason that Eric
B Enemy wasn't getting a head coaching job was because
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the NFL is full of racists. Well, it turns out
that there's other reasons that Eric Beenemy hasn't gotten a job.
And again, I'm going to take you back through it.
I'm gonna take it back through it. I spoke to
one of the gentle managers who had interviewed Eric the
Enemy and walked away liking him a whole lot more
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than he thought bringing him in in terms of the
perception of him from others in the business whom he
talked to. But the issue was that couldn't really figure
out what he did in Kansas City, right that run
game coordinator, passing game coordinator, and though he was the
offensive coordinator, and you Reid called the place. But even
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that is not really a determinant as to whether or
not you want to hire a guy. But what was
interesting was that one it wasn't necessarily a clear planner,
especially in comparison to other candidates for this particular job,
as clear a plan as others. And there was the
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does Kansas City really want him? You know, they want
to keep him. If you go back one year ago,
there was talk of Eric the Enemy's contract not being renewed.
They did renew him, they did win a Super Bowl,
and yet here he is an offensive coordinator. He got
more money, and he was making a good amount of
money Kansas City. But it felt like a parallel move
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with an inferior kind of roster, right, and now you
have an ownership change. He wasn't named head coach in waiting.
And oh yeah, by the way, if Kansas City really
wanted to keep him and thought he was really really
valuable and he's only leaving to be a coordinator, then
why wouldn't you come at least close financially And you know,
any read is not going to coach forever. Your name
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ed coach in waiting, right, But that wasn't done because
This is who Eric b Enemy is, right. He's a
guy who if you remember, he got into it with
with Patrick Mahomes several times on the sideline, and that
can happen Tabma, Bill O'Brien, Sabma, with Bill Belichick. It's happened,
you know, with Tom Brady. We've seen that happen before.
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But the what I had been told is all that's
played out, and yeah it is. Dan Buyer pointed out perfectly,
that's different to have a coach kind of take the
side of some of the players. But if this was
simply an isolated incident and he was just too tough,
too old school, and players were too soft or whatever,
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then it wouldn't be an issue. But there's obviously there's
obviously in there, and we're in the tea. They haven't
played a game, they haven't played a scrimmage yet, they've
only played each other, and there's already infighting within the
commander's coaching staff in a relationship to how they're receiving
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his word. Then I heard this. This is Shady McCoy
on Fox Sports One talking about Eric b.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Enemy the type of attitude that he uses to approach
the game with.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's so outdated.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Right, you don't find coaches swearing the players out or
cussing them out over the small details. And the first
thing I got to the chiefs, I learned fast, like, whoa,
that's his approach. He's cutting these dudes out. That's not coaching,
that's yelling. And the funny thing is these players are
complaining it's only.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Been like two weeks. Been like two weeks, So you're
gonna get more of it and more of it.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And I'm sure when Rivera made them comments like these
are not freaking rookies complaining. The ring ain't gonna comes
to the head coach and talk about the coordinator. No,
it's at the third string. These are starters. I'm sure
the starts are talking about hey man, hey, look coach, Hey,
you know, I get it, he's coached me hard, but
I can't. My tolerance with him is running short.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And he wears on you.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He over you know, yelling and complaining about every.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Little small detail. It's like, how can I get better
as a player. See?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
The problem I think with being in me as a coach,
and I'm speaking only on experiences, is that he really can't.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Relate to the players, and it.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Sounds funny because he was he was an ex player.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
You would think he would know.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
That's what makes and you read such a great coach
because he could adjust and adapt to every era of
football right back then. He was back there with the
Packers back in the day. I'm sure it's a lot
tougher how I communicate the players.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And then as the game evolves, as.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
He gets older, you have to learn how to adjust
to these players.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
And that's the only thing I see.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
With Eric Binemiy is he doesn't know how to adjust
to his players. And they're going to continue to talk
about this. And another thing is we haven't haven't even
seen him have a bad game or loss. You can
play after two weeks, it can matter me. You have
a loss of the Eagles, Bob twenty one points right,
You're gonna hear a lot of more complaining. So I
hope he can understand that, you know, going forward.
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lot of them it's better off if you're black. It
just is. It's a It's a common theme is that, like,
look we saw with the Celtics. Hey man, they're not
listening to Brad Stevens because Brad's Division III player, great
college coach, kind of a nerd, right udoka former player,
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you know, a guy who grinder made it to the NBA.
They can relate And on some level there is some
of that, there's no question. But relating to the players
is not necessarily about your background. It's not necessarily about
your age, not necessarily about whether act you played. It's
just whether about you can relate to players and whether
they'll listen to you. You know, I mean, I'll Prayer's
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a perfect example in radio, Colin Cowherd, What do you
think the best thing he does? And I know, like
we all make mistakes, and we could point to things
that he said wrong, but Colin is completely invested in
football and the thing he actually knows best is recruiting.
And you know he's really into the sc thing. But
he really knows recruiting, national recruiting or whatever. And Colin
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didn't play, he hadn't coached, he hadn't recruited, you know,
he not a he had didn't work at Rivals or
twenty four seven or whatever. He's just completely engrossed in
it and has a way of communicating it. You know,
what makes you a great radio or TV host is
not necessarily that you played or that you coach. It's
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that can people relate to your message? Do you have
you know, some form of proof? I think it obviously
helps if you played, helps if you played, but it
is not the endlb all. Does it help if you're
if you're black, of course on some level, if you've
seen some of the things and been through some of
the things that some of these guys are going through. Absolutely,
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But the number one thing is like you can either
guys either buy in or they don't buy in. And
the other part, and this is the Andy Reid thing, like, look,
he's had had two boys. One obviously is I think
still in jail, the other one died. When you've lived
a life as a parent, you can relate a lot
more to younger people. And so you're like, well, how
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can he relate to this generation. Well, he had two
young kids that grew up in football and then became
coaches or around him, and he lost one tragically hey
and another one made a series of tragic mistakes which
led to a loss of life. But we have people
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who have made a decision about who somebody is and
based upon what their background is when people are just different.
Some former players are brilliant. Some former players are not.
Derek Jeter, for example, who's now broadcaster, Right, Like Derek Jeter,
he used to tell people all the time, like he
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didn't watch baseball when he played baseball. He wasn't all
about the major leagues. He was a Yankee. He was
a great player. He studied the pictures he was going
to play against, He worked in his own game, and
then he had a great life. And so to put
him on TV before he had really been engrossed in
the game would have been a mistake instead, and it
didn't work out well with him running the Marlins. But
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there's a perfect example, right, here's a guy who's as
decorated a player as there has ever been, as respected
as players there's ever been, and it was a disaster
with the Marlins. But now because he's been kind of
engrossed in the game for a couple of years, he's
actually really good on TV. Right. But it's not because
he's black. It's not because he played. That helps that
gives you, that gives you a little bit more equity,
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but it's also because of the amount of knowledge that
he's been able to soak up and his about to
communicate it. I mean, look, we look around at coaches
and there's no magic, there's no one way to do it,
there's no one race to do it, there's no one
background to do it. But many of the former quarterbacks
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are coaches. And because quarterbacks are guys that have to
find a way to win over the locker room, I
have to win win over locker room. And the Bill
Belichick thing had worked for a long time. But it
worked for a long time because well he's with Parcels
and they won, and then he started winning an almost
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initially or very soon after with the Patriots. And once
you start winning, now you can start barking around orders.
And Belichick honestly is a little bit different when the
cameras aren't on, and I'm sure he's a lot warmer.
Eric Bienemy is walking around like he's a Belichick disciple,
even though he comes from Andy Reid's family tree, and
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it's just like the Belichick guys not being received. Well,
it's not because he's black, it's not because of the
FORI a player, but because he lacks that bedside manner, right,
that's what they call it with doctors like that bedside
manner to be able to get guys to buy into
what he wants to do. And this was part of
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the narrative for why he hasn't gotten a head coaching job.
And I don't think Andy Reid is trying to keep
him from getting his job at the Commanders. I think
he's trying to paint the picture and check his coach
a little bit and back his players, because that's what
a head coach has to do. Head coach has to
win and own the locker room. If you lose that
locker room, it doesn't matter what you drop, doesn't matter
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what you call, doesn't matter how tough your team is
or how good your players are. If you don't have
your locker room, you lose. And so he had to
pick this past week, right, He's had to pick the
enemy or my locker room, and he chose his locker room.
And I think now we're getting a clearer picture of
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why Eric b Enemy to this point doesn't have a
head coaching job. It's not because the league is racist. Okay,
nothing nefarious about it. It's just about his reputation, which
is earned in his inability to be beloved by many
of the players that he coaches, and then some of
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the other detailed oriented things, which I think, again it's
a little bit of an old school philosophy, right old school.
They were not as detailed oriented. They did not use
analytics nearly as much. They did not have the ability
to draw up and diagram all different sorts of options
of plays, of route combinations. Ever, you have to evolve
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or die. And I think his style of putting together
a coaching staff, his style of putting together a playbook,
all of that is, hey, let's just kind of go
out there and play, and you know, getting on guys
about little things, and the way in which he relates
to people to this point, hasn't it the right marks
fascinating to watch what happens with the commanders. I don't
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hate to say I told you so because I did.
I told you so. This is why he hasn't gotten
a job, and this is why it doesn't look great
so far. Like Shady McCoy said, two weeks in and
they're already bitching. That's not good.
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I give you some thoughts on Aaron Rodgers and why
that is a wan a little bit of a letdown
from the honeymoon period. Man, we got good vibes out here,
but we do need to talk some major league baseball.
Let's do so with John Paul Morosi, who joins us
now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Foxsports Radio. And
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John Paul. Obviously the Angels of one two in a row,
but that after a nasty losing streak. I mean, look,
if you if you want to be a glass half full,
every one of those Mariners games, all for them. They lost,
probably should have won them, you know, three by one
run one with a with a grand slam in the
top of the ninth inning. But how many people in
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Major League Baseball are saying I told you so, and
Ardie Moreno has got some egg on his face.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Well, Doug, it's a fair question, and there are people
around the game who are saying that. And I would
say to you that when you consider the Angels front office,
there are plenty of people within the building who look
at that situation and said, from a pure baseball operation standpoint,
that there was a compelling argument to maximize the asset
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quote unquote and trade Shoeotani at the deadline. Ultimately, this
was an ownership call, as you're describing, and I think
that we understand and the reasons why he did what
he did. Why Ardy Moreno kept show Aotani at the
deadline because they had gone so far down the line.
If they were serious about trading him, they probably should
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have traded him a year ago. That was actually the
time to do it, when you could have gotten a
franchise changing deal in return. They knew it was a
long shot to keep them and try to make the playoffs,
just because the dynamics of the division Seattle was I
think a lot of analysts believed poised to have a
pretty big month of August because the strength of schedule
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eased up for them and their pitching is so good.
It was a long shot, no question, it was a
calculated long shot. I think it was, honestly, Doug, a
very defensible long shot to take when you've got a
once in a generation player on your roster, once in
a lifetime player, once in a history of the game
player on your roster, and you feel as though the
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best and only way that you can keep them is
by making the playoffs, showing him that it's possible there.
I get it. I think that there was certainly a
compelling case to not go that route and to trade him.
But I think ultimately the Angels made what they felt
like was the best decision for their overall organization, the
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business side of things too, and what their fans wanted
to see. I think that's another element of all this, Doug. So,
they made a defensible decision that appears to not be
working out. That's that's the best I can tell you.
There was logic to what they did, but that does
not guarantee it's going to work out, and in fact,
it looks like it's not working out right now at all.
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And there are a lot of people around the industry saying, well,
we told you so, is exactly what what you described.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, it's Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
What's gotten into the Cubs?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Cody Bellinger played like an MVP. He's probably not gonna
win the MVP in the National League because Akunya or
Olsen or Freeman or Bets probably will, and Acunya has
been the the favorite for a long time. But with Bellinger,
he looks like his MVP self. He's batten over four
hundred since the start of July. It's been incredible to
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watch what Bellinger has done. I think he's healthy, Doug,
He's added some good weight. You look, you just look
at him now. He looks stronger than he did when
he was a member of the Los Angeles Dodgers last season,
and you can tell that he is again attacking the
baseball with confidence. Last year. Was it the injury, a
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lack of strength and stability in the shoulder, a lack
of confidence? Did one feed the other? Probably? And now
the opposite is true that on the flip side, now
that he's stronger, he feels like he can attack the
baseball and he is not missing his pitch. He's able
to hit the ball up in the zone. He's always
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been good, as Tom Verducci said on our broadcast last night,
he's always been good down on the zone. But now
he's able to get it up on the zone. And Doug,
the numbers they're so good they almost don't make sense.
He's batting better than three hundred against left tended pitching.
That's a surprise. He's batting better than three hundred in
two strike counts. Which I just can't believe, but he is.
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So the numbers are really mind boggling, and Bellinger's having
one of the very best seasons in baseball this year.
And Doug, the part that I'm really intrigued by is
what happens to him in free agency, because certainly show
A is in a class unto himself. But when you
talk about the next best bat who's not named show
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A right now, that title belongs to Bellinger, at least
among those who are going to be free agents this offseason.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Stuck Gottlieb's show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of John Paul Morosi. I think the other teams
that are super interesting are those wild card teams in
the am make heads or tails of it right. Obviously,
Tampa gave themselves a great cushion by their start. They've
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come back down to earth, but they're still in a
great spot. Houston, We'll see, they got a series with
the Angels, you know, Mariner's sweep of the Angels was big.
What about the Yankees? Are they done?
Speaker 6 (22:16):
The Yankees aren't done, Doug, but I am finding it
very difficult to believe that they're going to be a
wild Card team. They are as I look at them
right now, They're a long shot. They really are. And
it's almost unbelievable that I uttered those words about the
New York Yankees this early in August. But that's what
I'm seeing right now. They're going to have to change
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my mind about them in a pretty profound way for
me to describe them as anything but a long shot
to make the playoffs. The Red Sox. Actually I believe
in the Red Sox a little bit more. But Doug,
look at the teams they're competing with. Look at how
good Seattle's pitching is. The Mariners have won seven games
in a row, They've won nine of ten. The Mariners
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are getting hot at the right time of year. The
Yankees are just trying to survive. And the Mariners right
now are three and a half games ahead of the
Yankees four in the lost column. I just don't see
a way that Seattle is able to close that gap,
or that the Yankees can close the gap on Seattle,
Whereas I think Seattle is much more focused on closing
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the gap of the team in front of them, which
is Toronto. And Toronto lost the game today to the Guardians,
and so now, all of a sudden, they're basically tied
in the lost column, which is unbelievable. So for me,
I think that it's that Seattle is the up and
coming team. Toronto still has plenty of skill to hang
on to a spot. I'd be stunned if Houston fell
out of a playoff spot because they got Verlin or
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they got some good momentum going Tampa. I'm a little
concerned with with Shane mcclanahan's injury potentially being gone for
the season, but at no point, Doug am I feeling like, oh,
here's the Yankees opportunity. I don't feel that way. Maybe
Boston's got a little better chance. I really like the
way that Tristan comp has played for Boston, a young
first baseman. But I just I'm looking at this Yankee
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roster saying, who am I going to believe in that
is healthy and ready to go and ready to take
this team over. Carlos Rodon all the questions about him,
and that was that. Right now, in terms of return
on investment in year one, Doug is an unmitigated disaster
for the Yankees that contract.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So far.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Again, it's early, but right now you have to call
it that. So they've got a lot of concerns right now.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Where are the Dodgers still really good?
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I mean, I think the Dodgers. I look at them
and Doug in the National League, the Dodgers and Braves.
Look at those two teams, their strength topp to bottom.
If the ultimate NLCS matchup is not Atlanta versus the Dodgers,
something extraordinary happened. Some extraordinary upset intervened. Because the Dodgers,
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they're likely to get back Walker Builder, They're getting back
kursh out here this week. There's a lot of positive
vibes right now for this team. And the most important thing,
Doug that I see is Freddie Freeman and Mookie Bets
in the lineup. Always wanted to starting the lineup off
and setting the tone. You know, Dave Roberts, I was
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in San Diego this week. We had a game Padre's
Dodgers on MLB Network and just sitting there in Dave
Roberts office talking about Freddie Freeman and Mookie Bets and
the term that he used was unselfish superstar, and I
think that is true. We can you know, Doug, you
could have this conversation about a successful NFL team it's
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in training camp right now, or teams that are trying
to mimic the success of the teams in the NHL
and the NBA last season. When you have unselfish superstars,
guys that are so talented future Hall of Fame people,
but are always looking to elevate their teammates and to
set a good example. One example of this Mookie Bets versatility.
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He can please a gold Glove right fielder who volunteers
to play second because he knows that when he plays
second base against the right handed starter, that Dave Roberts
can start an all left handed outfield of peralta outman
and Hayward. That Mookie Bets makes the team better by
playing a position that's not his primary position. That's how
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you know that you're in business, and that's how you
know the Dodgers have a very special culture right now
under Dave Roberts, you're the best.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
JP really appreciate joining us. Thanks much to be our
guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Doug always enjoyed the conversation my friend any time of year,
especially this one, and look forward to the next time.
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Let's play that's baseball.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's time for.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
That's baseball.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
If you haven't heard that's baseball before, you know that.
It's an expression I use. You can use for anything
in life, because in baseball, when things don't make sense,
they just say, that's baseball. Let me explain a picture
named Michael Lorenzen through the fourteenth no hitter in Philly's
history yesterday. It's his second start since being acquired at
the deadline. Lored Lorenzen's name to the long list of
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below average pitchers to throw a no no. You know
he never pitched no no. Pedro Maddox, Roger Clemens, rooted
out out of his mind, never did. How to explain
Michael Lorenzon having no hitters in their career while Hall
of famers didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's baseball, that's baseball.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Okay. Remember before the season when the Padres were the
unanimous choice to win the Nationally West. Well, they are
currently five games under five hundred, thirteen games out of
the division. All this despite shortstop Kim has Huss Has
Song and starry pitcher Blake Stell having career years. How
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do you explain a team with a loaded roster the
talent playing this this far below expectations despite two of
their best players having career years. It's baseball.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's baseball.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And finally, last night, the Royals in their outfielder Kyle
Isbel hit a shot that crashed through the red light
near the base of the Green monsterat score Abud at
Fenway Pack. The ball lodged inside the broken light for
ground rule double. It was the first time that's happened
in the park open in nineteen twelve, that ground rule
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double has never been enforced. I mean, how do you
explain that? Right? You think lights are made stronger than
they were before, at least outwardly, first time in one
hundred eleven years. That's baseball.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's baseball.
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don't know, man, we just there's gremlins in the system
and sometimes that happens. But happy to be with you.
Thanks to my guy Dan Byer for helping out. I
thought Ross Tucker was still outstanding, and I did love
that game time segment Byer. The one thing I would
tell you is I agree with you. Agree with you
on Odell Beckham Junior. I agree like you know, played
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without an eight with a torn acl and then has
that surgic your pared enough. People kind of backed away
and wasn't ready like, but I would tell you that
I think the greatest misconception about the Ravens continues to
be their investment. You know, Ross had some really smart things.
He's like, look, the Jets have tried to invest in
the offensive line, it just hasn't worked out. The Ravens
(30:05):
have invested in wide receivers, it just hasn't worked out.
And I think it's I think it's Lamar. I think smart.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The one thing, I'm sorry because I kind of started
talking to you and then interrupted us. So I apologize
to you. But the one thing that we should know
is you bring in an offensive coordinator from Georgia. And
though yes, it is technically more passing than running Stetson,
Bennett had a lot of design runs last year. It
was just different than read option. So you're not going
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to take away running from Lamar Jackson. But I mean,
I don't care what offense you run if you're not accurate.
He was the most inaccurate quarterback starting quarterback last year
in the NFL. If you're not accurate, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter how good they are. How you know,
that's why they invested in tight ends because of catch
radius and bigger guys. And now you know you still
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have Mark Andrews, but Dobbins and all those wide receivers.
That's a massive and they have made a massive investment.
He just gotta be better.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
There's I almost think that we've It's maybe two different conversations.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't think that a DeVante Adams type of wide
receiver works in Buffalo. I don't think that that is
I don't think that that worked or worked would work previously.
It's funny because I look at what the forty nine
ers do with Kittle, with Deebo Samuel, who's so great.
I mean, he really is. Brandon Ayuk has e merged,
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but the quarterbacks that they have had have not necessarily
been off the charts, pretty maybe being the best of them,
and they've figured out a way to make it work.
And I look at the Ravens kind of the same way,
and I just don't think that they've had a person
that could not necessarily be Deebo Samuel but maybe even
just be Brandon Ayuk and you know the Rashad Bateman
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that you know Bari that is it's not even an
experiment because it's still early on in his career as
a first round pick, but they have made those sort
of as you said, investments. But I just I think
that the reason I think it's a different conversation is
because we feel that Odell Beckham Junior is going to
come in and be the old Obij or the example
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I used is maybe go in there and be the
DeVante Adams, And that's not it, And that's because that's
not what the Ravens normally did. Now, if that's what
Todd Monkin wants to do, then OBJ be my guest.
But I almost think that the two different sort of
conversations because I just feel that they rely on the
tight end and they rely on that running back a
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little bit more than other teams do.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, I think I think I think that's a very
fair way to very fair way to put it. We'll
keep an eye on that. I also thought that, and
we said this in the first hour. But Jay stew
and Dan I feel vindicated by this Eric the Enemy thing.
I just do, Like, I have no malice towards any person.
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I don't know Eric the Enemy, I don't have. You know,
I'm a Charger fan and he's worked for the Chiefs,
But like, come on, dude, I don't care. But you know,
in this what I find to be what I find
to be comical and a little bit sad, is how
many were ready to die on the hill that racism
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was the reason Eric b Enemy hasn't gotten a job.
And I'm not gonna I don't need to call out
every guy, but there's been plenty of guys who are
very reputable who have and some who are less reputable
who have done the WTF in terms of him not
getting a job and the thing that has always been
relayed to me, okay, is two different things. One, we
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know how business works. Business works where you hire somebody
to go with you, whom you've worked before, I worked
with before, who you respect, right And you know, Chris Ballard,
for example, left the Kansasity Chiefs and he tried to
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make one hire and from the Chiefs and didn't work.
He never turned to Eric Banemy, you know, he just
did not. And I understand that the Bears had a
former Chiefs offensive coordinator as their head coach whom they fired,
who's now, by the way, circled back to being the
offensive coorday of the Chiefs. But Brian Pace is their GM.
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Ryan Pace is not only former players black. He came
from the Kansaity Chiefs and he didn't want to hire
b enemy.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The league.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
The league has told you what they think. And oh yeah,
by the way, this is not it's not a he's
either a head coach or he doesn't make a penny.
Offensive coordinators makes several million dollars per year. But all
you have to do is look at the idea. I mean,
Ross was like, this kind of feels like a set
up deal. Why would they have a guy in waiting
for the second that Eric b Enemy leaves And now
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you know they they feel really good about their staff.
Why they're telling you it without trying to be jerks.
You ever had somebody tell you something that's the truth
without them being a jerk? Right? Do you think she'll
get back with me? I don't know, man, I think
it's a real long shot. Right. That's your friend telling
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you you got no shot, dude, give this thing up.
But friends don't want to hurt your feelings, you know.
Or you call somebody about a job and they'll say,
you know, we're just we're full right now. Like no
one who really wants to hire you, who's gonna say
they're full. They'll say, whyn't you give me in? We'll
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talk about it and we'll see if we can make
something work. You can always find something for somebody who
you respect and is talented, But no one wants to
do what we do, frankly on sports radio and sports takes,
which is like not ever happening. And it doesn't mean
it's zero percent chance that he's gonna get a head
coaching job. I'm just saying that everything. Forget about what
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Kansas City has said, look at what Kansas City has done.
Forget about what other teams have said. Look at what
other teams have done. And now you watch and we're
talking two weeks in and I can't recall, byer, you
been doing this for twenty years, Jay Stu saying, I
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can't recall any scenario which is in line with what's
going on with the commanders, which is a guy comes
in off of a Super Bowl to be the offensive
coordinator and two weeks into camp, they're like, this guy
is annoying. Basically, what they're telling you is he is annoying.
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Can't do it, can't stand him, can't take it, can't
do it, you know, And of course you dial it
back and you make it out like you know, athletes
these days, like whatever the athletes are, you got to
find a way to find common ground. That is your
job as a coach. I I mean, Jay Stu, Am
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I okay? Feeling at least slightly vindicated on this deal?
Speaker 7 (37:18):
Well, I mean I thought about you as soon as
I saw the story early in the week. I think
that I don't know if you could say fully vindicated.
I don't know if there's any proof of anything here,
but to answer the I think the first question you had,
which is I didn't understand why there was this narrative
out there where people just automatically assume that it was racism,
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and you've been finding that from the very beginning. And
the answer to that question, Doug, is because there are
a lot There are a lot more clicks when you
say racism is the reason saying that a guy just
doesn't quite have the qualities that teams are looking for
to be a head coach. There's no clicks in that.
There is clicks in saying that the NFL's racist. And
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there's a ton of political equity nowadays, political capital and victimhood,
and there's a certain segment of our media who just
runs to the victim and starts to cry out outrage
and this guy's getting screwed? How could this be happening?
And there are clicks in all of that. So that's
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my answer to your.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
First question, BYO, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I don't necessarily entirely agree. I don't agree with what
Jason was saying. I think the thing with the enemy
is I think there's something valid to what you're saying
in terms of why was he coming out of these
interview rooms and it not landing the job. Because if
anybody was the offensive coordinator of a Super Bowl contending
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team or in this case, a two time super Bowl
winner that seems to be the hottest ticket. I mean,
look at the Cardinals and Colts waited until after the
Eagles war lost the Super Bowl to actually hire their
head coach. And so as you're trying to figure out
what are all the reasons on why it's happening, I
think now this apparent disconnect between the enemy and the
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new players, I think could parallel maybe this disconnect that
happened between Benemy and the enemy and the people that
he was interviewing with. I would say this, and I
don't think that you're fully vindicated, because my question is,
what about if this ends up working in Washington? What
about if Sam Howell is magnificent? What about if this
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offense all of a sudden clicks. Then I think that
narrative could change. But I do think that there are
points to what you are saying in that or have
said that are backed up by this friction between he
and the current Washington players.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That's fair. You know it could still work, and it
may still work. But again I tend to believe that
like can't sit he worked last year. They want a
super Bowl, and if you want to go result, it worked,
but there the takeaway from Kansas City was, Oh, he
wants to go take an offensive coording to your job. Hey,
that's great, that's great for you, Like it's good. We're
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not going to match that off for your good. You know.
I just my level of vindication is over it. What
a little bit more of what Jason went to a
degree that I'm with you, I would not agree. I
do agree that there's a certain victimhood in it. There's
a certain equity if you if you will in in Hey,
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these these old boy networks are still racist at heart,
and here's an example of it. But I just I
don't know, Guys, I look at it and I don't
see it. I don't actually see it.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Does him calling the plays change anything? If there is success?
If there's because that is that was the the other
thing that people with your argument Doug would be like, well,
he doesn't call any plays, but if he shows, you know,
success in that area, then I think you're saying to yourself,
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all right, now's you know, now's the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, I don't think. Okay, And again, what I was told,
and this is from several people, but what I was
told specifically, one person was like, the idea of calling
plays isn't that big a deal. The reason that calling
plays is sort of a big deal with him is
we just don't know what he does, you know. And
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it's like it's like it hits you three ways. We
don't really know what he does. He's not a guy
who has the ability to unite people. And oh yeah,
by the way, he didn't have a great kind of clear,
precise plan. And I think all three of those combined,
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I think that's what what doesn't do the does calling
the plays? Yeah? I think so on a on a
level like, look, if Sam how has a really good
year and considering where he's drafted in their investment in him,
then you know why not? Sure? I mean, I think
it'll definitely help him. But I don't think that calling
plays and you're not that good is that big a determinant.
You know, I just don't. But it's it's a it's
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a weird deal because what happens is people say, well,
it's as he's not a good interviewer. But that's just
a very very bland sort of statement that kind of
gets you out of answering the real question, which is Okay,
what part of being a great, good interviewer does it
isn't it? You know? And you know again it's the
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can you get guys to work together?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Are you uniter or you a divider?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And do you have a clear plan? So I do, well,
I do I think that that, like I think you
said on on thisly like there's two different arguments there, right,
there's two different points you made. Yes, it would, it would,
it would say, Okay, this guy can call plays. He
simply didn't. It didn't do it in Kansas City, and
that's why he left. He was forever hell back by it.
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But I don't actually think I think this is way
more alarming, way more alarming than anything else in somebody's career,
in that you come in and you're given this great
opportunity and this quickly in I think Ross Tucker point
at best Ron Rivera is not going to care what
rookies think or secondar guys think. But if he goes
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and kind of takes the side of his players, it's
going to be about saving the locker room. And that's
about the vets, and that's not a good thing, and
that's really hard to come back form.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Well, that's the dynamic that makes this so interesting, because, honestly, Doug,
the conversation over these last couple of days has been
what was Ron Rivera doing? And and that is being said.
And I'm saying that in a way of some people
are sticking up for Ron Rivera maybe, and others are saying,
my goodness, as a head coach, you know, to hear
this sort of stuff amazing that you would out your
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offensive coordinator to the media as a part of this
and take that for you know, however you will. But
we had when I was sitting in for you earlier
this week, and we had John Middelkoff on he and
I didn't necessarily agree on the point that I made
of We heard from Tyreek Hill, we heard from Nicole
Hardman and sticking up for Eric b Enemy And I
thought if Patrick Mahomes had said something or went out
(44:31):
and said because we had seen those guys have words
and it's easy to be like commanders.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
You were eight eight and one last year.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
You know you're nice record, but you still finished in
last in the NFC East. You're trying to change things
get better. But I thought of maybe Mahomes would have
come to the enemy's defense and been like, you know,
saying something. John didn't think that it was in Pat's
you know, the view to do it since he's no
longer in Kansas City. But you saw former Chiefs players
sticking up for the former offensive coordinator, and I thought
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maybe Mahomes saying something would go a little bit way,
you know, it would go somewhere in support of the enemy.
But that didn't happen. And now I'm waiting and I'm
wondering scratching my head maybe seeing like maybe Doug has
more of a point. If the star quarterback of the
you know, there's there's no there's no loss for Mahomes
in saying something, and him not saying anything was to
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me a little surprising considering the other players that spoke up.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, I think I think when you see the guys
that he works with the most saying those things, when
you look around the league and look at how many
Kansas City people have left and how none of them
have taken him with him. When you think about the
fact that this idea he'd left to call plays like okay,
but if they wanted to keep him, it ain't that hard.
Andy Reid's not a spring chicken. He's not going to
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be there forever. And if they wanted to be the
next head coach, he could have leverage that that job
with staying. None of those things happened, And I just again,
I don't know for a fact, right I don't work
there on a daily basis, But there are all these
signs out there, and this is what I think those
signs are telling us, if we're really willing to listen.
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It's a fascinating topic. And again, like Ron Rivera, in
some ways coaching for his job right, he has complete
he's had complete autonomy the football side. But now you
have a new owner. They want to win, and they
decided to bring in Eric Bienemy. Do I think if
it doesn't work, he can last another year and put
it off on the enemy. Maybe maybe
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
This week.
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You got two games Texans and Patriots, Vikings in Seahawks playing,
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Daniel Snyder no longer owned the franchise. Now that Josh
Harris is in charge, you thought, maybe better things are
to come, that we have hit rock bottom and now
we are on our way back to being the proud
franchise that they once were in Washington. And then trading
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Camp twenty twenty three happened, and more of the dysfunction
that had happened, maybe not to the severity that had
happened in the Daniel Snyder era, but dysfunction still remains
in Washington, DC, and it still is continuing between the
head coach and that Ron Rivera made earlier this week
about offensive coordinator Eric b Enemy, who was in his
first season with the team. And it's been an interesting
(02:08):
story because Rivera's not the first head coach so far
this year to speak out and then try to walk
back on some of his comments. We know what happened
to Sean Payton or the Broncos when he spoke with
USA today and talked about Nathaniel Hackett and the worst
coaching job in the NFL, and YadA, YadA, YadA. We
heard a head coach already speak out and then the
(02:28):
next day walk his words back. But here's the thing.
Nathaniel Hackett is in New York right now and they
may not be accepting the call that Jean Payton said
he was going to make to the Jets. Robert Salam
may say thanks, but no thanks. Nathaniel Hackett may have
no business in hearing from Sean Payton, and that's fine.
Ron Rivera is criticizing a guy in his own building,
(02:50):
on his own staff that he hired this off season.
And that is what is so crazy about this situation
with the Washington Commanders. So it is a story that
is just for some reason, seem to have this really
really weird twist because you thought good times were ahead,
but they are not for the Washington commanders is drama
still exists, and Doug Gottlieb is here to man the controls.
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It's all yours, Leggie.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
All right, thanks so much. Dan. It's going to be
back a couple of days off. And I you know,
I always say, Dan, I don't hate to say I
told you so, because I did tell you so. And
we've been through this for a couple of years now
where you had this narrative that the reason that Eric
B Enemy wasn't getting a head coaching job was because
(03:37):
the NFL is full of racists. Well, it turns out
that there's other reasons that Eric Beenemy hasn't gotten a job.
And again, I'm going to take you back through it.
I'm gonna take it back through it. I spoke to
one of the gentle managers who had interviewed Eric the
Enemy and walked away liking him a whole lot more
(03:59):
than he thought bringing him in in terms of the
perception of him from others in the business whom he
talked to. But the issue was that couldn't really figure
out what he did in Kansas City, right that run
game coordinator, passing game coordinator, and though he was the
offensive coordinator, and you Reid called the place. But even
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that is not really a determinant as to whether or
not you want to hire a guy. But what was
interesting was that one it wasn't necessarily a clear planner,
especially in comparison to other candidates for this particular job,
as clear a plan as others. And there was the
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does Kansas City really want him? You know, they want
to keep him. If you go back one year ago,
there was talk of Eric the Enemy's contract not being renewed.
They did renew him, they did win a Super Bowl,
and yet here he is an offensive coordinator. He got
more money, and he was making a good amount of
money Kansas City. But it felt like a parallel move
(05:03):
with an inferior kind of roster, right, and now you
have an ownership change. He wasn't named head coach in waiting.
And oh yeah, by the way, if Kansas City really
wanted to keep him and thought he was really really
valuable and he's only leaving to be a coordinator, then
why wouldn't you come at least close financially And you know,
any read is not going to coach forever. Your name
(05:23):
ed coach in waiting, right, But that wasn't done because
This is who Eric b Enemy is, right. He's a
guy who if you remember, he got into it with
with Patrick Mahomes several times on the sideline, and that
can happen Tabma, Bill O'Brien, Sabma, with Bill Belichick. It's happened,
you know, with Tom Brady. We've seen that happen before.
(05:45):
But the what I had been told is all that's
played out, and yeah it is. Dan Buyer pointed out perfectly,
that's different to have a coach kind of take the
side of some of the players. But if this was
simply an isolated incident and he was just too tough,
too old school, and players were too soft or whatever,
(06:06):
then it wouldn't be an issue. But there's obviously there's
obviously in there, and we're in the tea. They haven't
played a game, they haven't played a scrimmage yet, they've
only played each other, and there's already infighting within the
commander's coaching staff in a relationship to how they're receiving
(06:29):
his word. Then I heard this. This is Shady McCoy
on Fox Sports One talking about Eric b.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Enemy the type of attitude that he uses to approach
the game with.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's so outdated.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Right, you don't find coaches swearing the players out or
cussing them out over the small details. And the first
thing I got to the chiefs, I learned fast, like, whoa,
that's his approach. He's cutting these dudes out. That's not coaching,
that's yelling. And the funny thing is these players are
complaining it's only.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Been like two weeks. Been like two weeks, So you're
gonna get more of it and more of it.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
And I'm sure when Rivera made them comments like these
are not freaking rookies complaining. The ring ain't gonna comes
to the head coach and talk about the coordinator. No,
it's at the third string. These are starters. I'm sure
the starts are talking about hey man, hey, look coach, Hey,
you know, I get it, he's coached me hard, but
I can't. My tolerance with him is running short.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And he wears on you.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He over you know, yelling and complaining about every.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Little small detail. It's like, how can I get better
as a player. See?
Speaker 4 (07:31):
The problem I think with being in me as a coach,
and I'm speaking only on experiences, is that he really can't.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Relate to the players, and it.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Sounds funny because he was he was an ex player.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
You would think he would know.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
That's what makes and you read such a great coach
because he could adjust and adapt to every era of
football right back then. He was back there with the
Packers back in the day. I'm sure it's a lot
tougher how I communicate the players.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And then as the game evolves, as.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
He gets older, you have to learn how to adjust
to these players.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
And that's the only thing I see.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
With Eric Binemiy is he doesn't know how to adjust
to his players. And they're going to continue to talk
about this. And another thing is we haven't haven't even
seen him have a bad game or loss. You can
play after two weeks, it can matter me. You have
a loss of the Eagles, Bob twenty one points right,
You're gonna hear a lot of more complaining. So I
hope he can understand that, you know, going forward.
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you have to have been a player, and frankly, a
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lot of them it's better off if you're black. It
just is. It's a It's a common theme is that, like,
look we saw with the Celtics. Hey man, they're not
listening to Brad Stevens because Brad's Division III player, great
college coach, kind of a nerd, right udoka former player,
(09:06):
you know, a guy who grinder made it to the NBA.
They can relate And on some level there is some
of that, there's no question. But relating to the players
is not necessarily about your background. It's not necessarily about
your age, not necessarily about whether act you played. It's
just whether about you can relate to players and whether
they'll listen to you. You know, I mean, I'll Prayer's
(09:29):
a perfect example in radio, Colin Cowherd, What do you
think the best thing he does? And I know, like
we all make mistakes, and we could point to things
that he said wrong, but Colin is completely invested in
football and the thing he actually knows best is recruiting.
And you know he's really into the sc thing. But
he really knows recruiting, national recruiting or whatever. And Colin
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didn't play, he hadn't coached, he hadn't recruited, you know,
he not a he had didn't work at Rivals or
twenty four seven or whatever. He's just completely engrossed in
it and has a way of communicating it. You know,
what makes you a great radio or TV host is
not necessarily that you played or that you coach. It's
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that can people relate to your message? Do you have
you know, some form of proof? I think it obviously
helps if you played, helps if you played, but it
is not the endlb all. Does it help if you're
if you're black, of course on some level, if you've
seen some of the things and been through some of
the things that some of these guys are going through. Absolutely,
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But the number one thing is like you can either
guys either buy in or they don't buy in. And
the other part, and this is the Andy Reid thing, like, look,
he's had had two boys. One obviously is I think
still in jail, the other one died. When you've lived
a life as a parent, you can relate a lot
more to younger people. And so you're like, well, how
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can he relate to this generation. Well, he had two
young kids that grew up in football and then became
coaches or around him, and he lost one tragically hey
and another one made a series of tragic mistakes which
led to a loss of life. But we have people
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who have made a decision about who somebody is and
based upon what their background is when people are just different.
Some former players are brilliant. Some former players are not.
Derek Jeter, for example, who's now broadcaster, Right, Like Derek Jeter,
he used to tell people all the time, like he
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didn't watch baseball when he played baseball. He wasn't all
about the major leagues. He was a Yankee. He was
a great player. He studied the pictures he was going
to play against, He worked in his own game, and
then he had a great life. And so to put
him on TV before he had really been engrossed in
the game would have been a mistake instead, and it
didn't work out well with him running the Marlins. But
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there's a perfect example, right, here's a guy who's as
decorated a player as there has ever been, as respected
as players there's ever been, and it was a disaster
with the Marlins. But now because he's been kind of
engrossed in the game for a couple of years, he's
actually really good on TV. Right. But it's not because
he's black. It's not because he played. That helps that
gives you, that gives you a little bit more equity,
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but it's also because of the amount of knowledge that
he's been able to soak up and his about to
communicate it. I mean, look, we look around at coaches
and there's no magic, there's no one way to do it,
there's no one race to do it, there's no one
background to do it. But many of the former quarterbacks
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are coaches. And because quarterbacks are guys that have to
find a way to win over the locker room, I
have to win win over locker room. And the Bill
Belichick thing had worked for a long time. But it
worked for a long time because well he's with Parcels
and they won, and then he started winning an almost
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initially or very soon after with the Patriots. And once
you start winning, now you can start barking around orders.
And Belichick honestly is a little bit different when the
cameras aren't on, and I'm sure he's a lot warmer.
Eric Bienemy is walking around like he's a Belichick disciple,
even though he comes from Andy Reid's family tree, and
(13:24):
it's just like the Belichick guys not being received. Well,
it's not because he's black, it's not because of the
FORI a player, but because he lacks that bedside manner, right,
that's what they call it with doctors like that bedside
manner to be able to get guys to buy into
what he wants to do. And this was part of
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the narrative for why he hasn't gotten a head coaching job.
And I don't think Andy Reid is trying to keep
him from getting his job at the Commanders. I think
he's trying to paint the picture and check his coach
a little bit and back his players, because that's what
a head coach has to do. Head coach has to
win and own the locker room. If you lose that
locker room, it doesn't matter what you drop, doesn't matter
(14:06):
what you call, doesn't matter how tough your team is
or how good your players are. If you don't have
your locker room, you lose. And so he had to
pick this past week, right, He's had to pick the
enemy or my locker room, and he chose his locker room.
And I think now we're getting a clearer picture of
(14:28):
why Eric b Enemy to this point doesn't have a
head coaching job. It's not because the league is racist. Okay,
nothing nefarious about it. It's just about his reputation, which
is earned in his inability to be beloved by many
of the players that he coaches, and then some of
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the other detailed oriented things, which I think, again it's
a little bit of an old school philosophy, right old school.
They were not as detailed oriented. They did not use
analytics nearly as much. They did not have the ability
to draw up and diagram all different sorts of options
of plays, of route combinations. Ever, you have to evolve
(15:08):
or die. And I think his style of putting together
a coaching staff, his style of putting together a playbook,
all of that is, hey, let's just kind of go
out there and play, and you know, getting on guys
about little things, and the way in which he relates
to people to this point, hasn't it the right marks
fascinating to watch what happens with the commanders. I don't
(15:29):
hate to say I told you so because I did.
I told you so. This is why he hasn't gotten
a job, and this is why it doesn't look great
so far. Like Shady McCoy said, two weeks in and
they're already bitching. That's not good.
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I give you some thoughts on Aaron Rodgers and why
that is a wan a little bit of a letdown
from the honeymoon period. Man, we got good vibes out here,
but we do need to talk some major league baseball.
Let's do so with John Paul Morosi, who joins us
now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Foxsports Radio. And
(16:59):
John Paul. Obviously the Angels of one two in a row,
but that after a nasty losing streak. I mean, look,
if you if you want to be a glass half full,
every one of those Mariners games, all for them. They lost,
probably should have won them, you know, three by one
run one with a with a grand slam in the
top of the ninth inning. But how many people in
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Major League Baseball are saying I told you so, and
Ardie Moreno has got some egg on his face.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Well, Doug, it's a fair question, and there are people
around the game who are saying that. And I would
say to you that when you consider the Angels front office,
there are plenty of people within the building who look
at that situation and said, from a pure baseball operation standpoint,
that there was a compelling argument to maximize the asset
(17:49):
quote unquote and trade Shoeotani at the deadline. Ultimately, this
was an ownership call, as you're describing, and I think
that we understand and the reasons why he did what
he did. Why Ardy Moreno kept show Aotani at the
deadline because they had gone so far down the line.
If they were serious about trading him, they probably should
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have traded him a year ago. That was actually the
time to do it, when you could have gotten a
franchise changing deal in return. They knew it was a
long shot to keep them and try to make the playoffs,
just because the dynamics of the division Seattle was I
think a lot of analysts believed poised to have a
pretty big month of August because the strength of schedule
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eased up for them and their pitching is so good.
It was a long shot, no question, it was a
calculated long shot. I think it was, honestly, Doug, a
very defensible long shot to take when you've got a
once in a generation player on your roster, once in
a lifetime player, once in a history of the game
player on your roster, and you feel as though the
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best and only way that you can keep them is
by making the playoffs, showing him that it's possible there.
I get it. I think that there was certainly a
compelling case to not go that route and to trade him.
But I think ultimately the Angels made what they felt
like was the best decision for their overall organization, the
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business side of things too, and what their fans wanted
to see. I think that's another element of all this, Doug. So,
they made a defensible decision that appears to not be
working out. That's that's the best I can tell you.
There was logic to what they did, but that does
not guarantee it's going to work out, and in fact,
it looks like it's not working out right now at all.
(19:37):
And there are a lot of people around the industry saying, well,
we told you so, is exactly what what you described.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, it's Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
What's gotten into the Cubs?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Cody Bellinger played like an MVP. He's probably not gonna
win the MVP in the National League because Akunya or
Olsen or Freeman or Bets probably will, and Acunya has
been the the favorite for a long time. But with Bellinger,
he looks like his MVP self. He's batten over four
hundred since the start of July. It's been incredible to
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watch what Bellinger has done. I think he's healthy, Doug,
He's added some good weight. You look, you just look
at him now. He looks stronger than he did when
he was a member of the Los Angeles Dodgers last season,
and you can tell that he is again attacking the
baseball with confidence. Last year. Was it the injury, a
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lack of strength and stability in the shoulder, a lack
of confidence? Did one feed the other? Probably? And now
the opposite is true that on the flip side, now
that he's stronger, he feels like he can attack the
baseball and he is not missing his pitch. He's able
to hit the ball up in the zone. He's always
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been good, as Tom Verducci said on our broadcast last night,
he's always been good down on the zone. But now
he's able to get it up on the zone. And Doug,
the numbers they're so good they almost don't make sense.
He's batting better than three hundred against left tended pitching.
That's a surprise. He's batting better than three hundred in
two strike counts. Which I just can't believe, but he is.
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So the numbers are really mind boggling, and Bellinger's having
one of the very best seasons in baseball this year.
And Doug, the part that I'm really intrigued by is
what happens to him in free agency, because certainly show
A is in a class unto himself. But when you
talk about the next best bat who's not named show
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A right now, that title belongs to Bellinger, at least
among those who are going to be free agents this offseason.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Stuck Gottlieb's show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of John Paul Morosi. I think the other teams
that are super interesting are those wild card teams in
the am make heads or tails of it right. Obviously,
Tampa gave themselves a great cushion by their start. They've
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come back down to earth, but they're still in a
great spot. Houston, We'll see, they got a series with
the Angels, you know, Mariner's sweep of the Angels was big.
What about the Yankees? Are they done?
Speaker 6 (22:16):
The Yankees aren't done, Doug, but I am finding it
very difficult to believe that they're going to be a
wild Card team. They are as I look at them
right now, They're a long shot. They really are. And
it's almost unbelievable that I uttered those words about the
New York Yankees this early in August. But that's what
I'm seeing right now. They're going to have to change
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my mind about them in a pretty profound way for
me to describe them as anything but a long shot
to make the playoffs. The Red Sox. Actually I believe
in the Red Sox a little bit more. But Doug,
look at the teams they're competing with. Look at how
good Seattle's pitching is. The Mariners have won seven games
in a row, They've won nine of ten. The Mariners
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are getting hot at the right time of year. The
Yankees are just trying to survive. And the Mariners right
now are three and a half games ahead of the
Yankees four in the lost column. I just don't see
a way that Seattle is able to close that gap,
or that the Yankees can close the gap on Seattle,
Whereas I think Seattle is much more focused on closing
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the gap of the team in front of them, which
is Toronto. And Toronto lost the game today to the Guardians,
and so now, all of a sudden, they're basically tied
in the lost column, which is unbelievable. So for me,
I think that it's that Seattle is the up and
coming team. Toronto still has plenty of skill to hang
on to a spot. I'd be stunned if Houston fell
out of a playoff spot because they got Verlin or
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they got some good momentum going Tampa. I'm a little
concerned with with Shane mcclanahan's injury potentially being gone for
the season, but at no point, Doug am I feeling like, oh,
here's the Yankees opportunity. I don't feel that way. Maybe
Boston's got a little better chance. I really like the
way that Tristan comp has played for Boston, a young
first baseman. But I just I'm looking at this Yankee
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roster saying, who am I going to believe in that
is healthy and ready to go and ready to take
this team over. Carlos Rodon all the questions about him,
and that was that. Right now, in terms of return
on investment in year one, Doug is an unmitigated disaster
for the Yankees that contract.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So far.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Again, it's early, but right now you have to call
it that. So they've got a lot of concerns right now.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Where are the Dodgers still really good?
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I mean, I think the Dodgers. I look at them
and Doug in the National League, the Dodgers and Braves.
Look at those two teams, their strength topp to bottom.
If the ultimate NLCS matchup is not Atlanta versus the Dodgers,
something extraordinary happened. Some extraordinary upset intervened. Because the Dodgers,
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they're likely to get back Walker Builder, They're getting back
kursh out here this week. There's a lot of positive
vibes right now for this team. And the most important thing,
Doug that I see is Freddie Freeman and Mookie Bets
in the lineup. Always wanted to starting the lineup off
and setting the tone. You know, Dave Roberts, I was
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in San Diego this week. We had a game Padre's
Dodgers on MLB Network and just sitting there in Dave
Roberts office talking about Freddie Freeman and Mookie Bets and
the term that he used was unselfish superstar, and I
think that is true. We can you know, Doug, you
could have this conversation about a successful NFL team it's
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in training camp right now, or teams that are trying
to mimic the success of the teams in the NHL
and the NBA last season. When you have unselfish superstars,
guys that are so talented future Hall of Fame people,
but are always looking to elevate their teammates and to
set a good example. One example of this Mookie Bets versatility.
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He can please a gold Glove right fielder who volunteers
to play second because he knows that when he plays
second base against the right handed starter, that Dave Roberts
can start an all left handed outfield of peralta outman
and Hayward. That Mookie Bets makes the team better by
playing a position that's not his primary position. That's how
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you know that you're in business, and that's how you
know the Dodgers have a very special culture right now
under Dave Roberts, you're the best.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
JP really appreciate joining us. Thanks much to be our
guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Doug always enjoyed the conversation my friend any time of year,
especially this one, and look forward to the next time.
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Let's play that's baseball.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
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Speaker 5 (26:48):
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Speaker 1 (26:51):
If you haven't heard that's baseball before, you know that.
It's an expression I use. You can use for anything
in life, because in baseball, when things don't make sense,
they just say, that's baseball. Let me explain a picture
named Michael Lorenzen through the fourteenth no hitter in Philly's
history yesterday. It's his second start since being acquired at
the deadline. Lored Lorenzen's name to the long list of
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below average pitchers to throw a no no. You know
he never pitched no no. Pedro Maddox, Roger Clemens, rooted
out out of his mind, never did. How to explain
Michael Lorenzon having no hitters in their career while Hall
of famers didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's baseball, that's baseball.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Okay. Remember before the season when the Padres were the
unanimous choice to win the Nationally West. Well, they are
currently five games under five hundred, thirteen games out of
the division. All this despite shortstop Kim has Huss Has
Song and starry pitcher Blake Stell having career years. How
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do you explain a team with a loaded roster the
talent playing this this far below expectations despite two of
their best players having career years. It's baseball.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's baseball.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And finally, last night, the Royals in their outfielder Kyle
Isbel hit a shot that crashed through the red light
near the base of the Green monsterat score Abud at
Fenway Pack. The ball lodged inside the broken light for
ground rule double. It was the first time that's happened
in the park open in nineteen twelve, that ground rule
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double has never been enforced. I mean, how do you
explain that? Right? You think lights are made stronger than
they were before, at least outwardly, first time in one
hundred eleven years. That's baseball.
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don't know, man, we just there's gremlins in the system
and sometimes that happens. But happy to be with you.
Thanks to my guy Dan Byer for helping out. I
thought Ross Tucker was still outstanding, and I did love
that game time segment Byer. The one thing I would
tell you is I agree with you. Agree with you
on Odell Beckham Junior. I agree like you know, played
(29:43):
without an eight with a torn acl and then has
that surgic your pared enough. People kind of backed away
and wasn't ready like, but I would tell you that
I think the greatest misconception about the Ravens continues to
be their investment. You know, Ross had some really smart things.
He's like, look, the Jets have tried to invest in
the offensive line, it just hasn't worked out. The Ravens
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have invested in wide receivers, it just hasn't worked out.
And I think it's I think it's Lamar. I think smart.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Now.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The one thing, I'm sorry because I kind of started
talking to you and then interrupted us. So I apologize
to you. But the one thing that we should know
is you bring in an offensive coordinator from Georgia. And
though yes, it is technically more passing than running Stetson,
Bennett had a lot of design runs last year. It
was just different than read option. So you're not going
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to take away running from Lamar Jackson. But I mean,
I don't care what offense you run if you're not accurate.
He was the most inaccurate quarterback starting quarterback last year
in the NFL. If you're not accurate, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter how good they are. How you know,
that's why they invested in tight ends because of catch
radius and bigger guys. And now you know you still
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have Mark Andrews, but Dobbins and all those wide receivers.
That's a massive and they have made a massive investment.
He just gotta be better.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
There's I almost think that we've It's maybe two different conversations.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't think that a DeVante Adams type of wide
receiver works in Buffalo. I don't think that that is
I don't think that that worked or worked would work previously.
It's funny because I look at what the forty nine
ers do with Kittle, with Deebo Samuel, who's so great.
I mean, he really is. Brandon Ayuk has e merged,
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but the quarterbacks that they have had have not necessarily
been off the charts, pretty maybe being the best of them,
and they've figured out a way to make it work.
And I look at the Ravens kind of the same way,
and I just don't think that they've had a person
that could not necessarily be Deebo Samuel but maybe even
just be Brandon Ayuk and you know the Rashad Bateman
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that you know Bari that is it's not even an
experiment because it's still early on in his career as
a first round pick, but they have made those sort
of as you said, investments. But I just I think
that the reason I think it's a different conversation is
because we feel that Odell Beckham Junior is going to
come in and be the old Obij or the example
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I used is maybe go in there and be the
DeVante Adams, And that's not it, And that's because that's
not what the Ravens normally did. Now, if that's what
Todd Monkin wants to do, then OBJ be my guest.
But I almost think that the two different sort of
conversations because I just feel that they rely on the
tight end and they rely on that running back a
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little bit more than other teams do.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, I think I think I think that's a very
fair way to very fair way to put it. We'll
keep an eye on that. I also thought that, and
we said this in the first hour. But Jay stew
and Dan I feel vindicated by this Eric the Enemy thing.
I just do, Like, I have no malice towards any person.
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I don't know Eric the Enemy, I don't have. You know,
I'm a Charger fan and he's worked for the Chiefs,
But like, come on, dude, I don't care. But you know,
in this what I find to be what I find
to be comical and a little bit sad, is how
many were ready to die on the hill that racism
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was the reason Eric b Enemy hasn't gotten a job.
And I'm not gonna I don't need to call out
every guy, but there's been plenty of guys who are
very reputable who have and some who are less reputable
who have done the WTF in terms of him not
getting a job and the thing that has always been
relayed to me, okay, is two different things. One, we
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know how business works. Business works where you hire somebody
to go with you, whom you've worked before, I worked
with before, who you respect, right And you know, Chris Ballard,
for example, left the Kansasity Chiefs and he tried to
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make one hire and from the Chiefs and didn't work.
He never turned to Eric Banemy, you know, he just
did not. And I understand that the Bears had a
former Chiefs offensive coordinator as their head coach whom they fired,
who's now, by the way, circled back to being the
offensive coorday of the Chiefs. But Brian Pace is their GM.
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Ryan Pace is not only former players black. He came
from the Kansaity Chiefs and he didn't want to hire
b enemy.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The league.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
The league has told you what they think. And oh yeah,
by the way, this is not it's not a he's
either a head coach or he doesn't make a penny.
Offensive coordinators makes several million dollars per year. But all
you have to do is look at the idea. I mean,
Ross was like, this kind of feels like a set
up deal. Why would they have a guy in waiting
for the second that Eric b Enemy leaves And now
(35:04):
you know they they feel really good about their staff.
Why they're telling you it without trying to be jerks.
You ever had somebody tell you something that's the truth
without them being a jerk? Right? Do you think she'll
get back with me? I don't know, man, I think
it's a real long shot. Right. That's your friend telling
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you you got no shot, dude, give this thing up.
But friends don't want to hurt your feelings, you know.
Or you call somebody about a job and they'll say,
you know, we're just we're full right now. Like no
one who really wants to hire you, who's gonna say
they're full. They'll say, whyn't you give me in? We'll
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talk about it and we'll see if we can make
something work. You can always find something for somebody who
you respect and is talented, But no one wants to
do what we do, frankly on sports radio and sports takes,
which is like not ever happening. And it doesn't mean
it's zero percent chance that he's gonna get a head
coaching job. I'm just saying that everything. Forget about what
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Kansas City has said, look at what Kansas City has done.
Forget about what other teams have said. Look at what
other teams have done. And now you watch and we're
talking two weeks in and I can't recall, byer, you
been doing this for twenty years, Jay Stu saying, I
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can't recall any scenario which is in line with what's
going on with the commanders, which is a guy comes
in off of a Super Bowl to be the offensive
coordinator and two weeks into camp, they're like, this guy
is annoying. Basically, what they're telling you is he is annoying.
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Can't do it, can't stand him, can't take it, can't
do it, you know, And of course you dial it
back and you make it out like you know, athletes
these days, like whatever the athletes are, you got to
find a way to find common ground. That is your
job as a coach. I I mean, Jay Stu, Am
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I okay? Feeling at least slightly vindicated on this deal?
Speaker 7 (37:18):
Well, I mean I thought about you as soon as
I saw the story early in the week. I think
that I don't know if you could say fully vindicated.
I don't know if there's any proof of anything here,
but to answer the I think the first question you had,
which is I didn't understand why there was this narrative
out there where people just automatically assume that it was racism,
(37:40):
and you've been finding that from the very beginning. And
the answer to that question, Doug, is because there are
a lot There are a lot more clicks when you
say racism is the reason saying that a guy just
doesn't quite have the qualities that teams are looking for
to be a head coach. There's no clicks in that.
There is clicks in saying that the NFL's racist. And
(38:02):
there's a ton of political equity nowadays, political capital and victimhood,
and there's a certain segment of our media who just
runs to the victim and starts to cry out outrage
and this guy's getting screwed? How could this be happening?
And there are clicks in all of that. So that's
(38:24):
my answer to your.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
First question, BYO, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I don't necessarily entirely agree. I don't agree with what
Jason was saying. I think the thing with the enemy
is I think there's something valid to what you're saying
in terms of why was he coming out of these
interview rooms and it not landing the job. Because if
anybody was the offensive coordinator of a Super Bowl contending
(38:51):
team or in this case, a two time super Bowl
winner that seems to be the hottest ticket. I mean,
look at the Cardinals and Colts waited until after the
Eagles war lost the Super Bowl to actually hire their
head coach. And so as you're trying to figure out
what are all the reasons on why it's happening, I
think now this apparent disconnect between the enemy and the
(39:13):
new players, I think could parallel maybe this disconnect that
happened between Benemy and the enemy and the people that
he was interviewing with. I would say this, and I
don't think that you're fully vindicated, because my question is,
what about if this ends up working in Washington? What
about if Sam Howell is magnificent? What about if this
(39:34):
offense all of a sudden clicks. Then I think that
narrative could change. But I do think that there are
points to what you are saying in that or have
said that are backed up by this friction between he
and the current Washington players.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That's fair. You know it could still work, and it
may still work. But again I tend to believe that
like can't sit he worked last year. They want a
super Bowl, and if you want to go result, it worked,
but there the takeaway from Kansas City was, Oh, he
wants to go take an offensive coording to your job. Hey,
that's great, that's great for you, Like it's good. We're
(40:13):
not going to match that off for your good. You know.
I just my level of vindication is over it. What
a little bit more of what Jason went to a
degree that I'm with you, I would not agree. I
do agree that there's a certain victimhood in it. There's
a certain equity if you if you will in in Hey,
(40:36):
these these old boy networks are still racist at heart,
and here's an example of it. But I just I
don't know, Guys, I look at it and I don't
see it. I don't actually see it.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Does him calling the plays change anything? If there is success?
If there's because that is that was the the other
thing that people with your argument Doug would be like, well,
he doesn't call any plays, but if he shows, you know,
success in that area, then I think you're saying to yourself,
(41:12):
all right, now's you know, now's the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, I don't think. Okay, And again, what I was told,
and this is from several people, but what I was
told specifically, one person was like, the idea of calling
plays isn't that big a deal. The reason that calling
plays is sort of a big deal with him is
we just don't know what he does, you know. And
(41:40):
it's like it's like it hits you three ways. We
don't really know what he does. He's not a guy
who has the ability to unite people. And oh yeah,
by the way, he didn't have a great kind of clear,
precise plan. And I think all three of those combined,
(42:03):
I think that's what what doesn't do the does calling
the plays? Yeah? I think so on a on a
level like, look, if Sam how has a really good
year and considering where he's drafted in their investment in him,
then you know why not? Sure? I mean, I think
it'll definitely help him. But I don't think that calling
plays and you're not that good is that big a determinant.
You know, I just don't. But it's it's a it's
(42:28):
a weird deal because what happens is people say, well,
it's as he's not a good interviewer. But that's just
a very very bland sort of statement that kind of
gets you out of answering the real question, which is Okay,
what part of being a great, good interviewer does it
isn't it? You know? And you know again it's the
(42:50):
can you get guys to work together?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Are you uniter or you a divider?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And do you have a clear plan? So I do, well,
I do I think that that, like I think you
said on on thisly like there's two different arguments there, right,
there's two different points you made. Yes, it would, it would,
it would say, Okay, this guy can call plays. He
simply didn't. It didn't do it in Kansas City, and
that's why he left. He was forever hell back by it.
(43:15):
But I don't actually think I think this is way
more alarming, way more alarming than anything else in somebody's career,
in that you come in and you're given this great
opportunity and this quickly in I think Ross Tucker point
at best Ron Rivera is not going to care what
rookies think or secondar guys think. But if he goes
(43:38):
and kind of takes the side of his players, it's
going to be about saving the locker room. And that's
about the vets, and that's not a good thing, and
that's really hard to come back form.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Well, that's the dynamic that makes this so interesting, because, honestly, Doug,
the conversation over these last couple of days has been
what was Ron Rivera doing? And and that is being said.
And I'm saying that in a way of some people
are sticking up for Ron Rivera maybe, and others are saying,
my goodness, as a head coach, you know, to hear
this sort of stuff amazing that you would out your
(44:08):
offensive coordinator to the media as a part of this
and take that for you know, however you will. But
we had when I was sitting in for you earlier
this week, and we had John Middelkoff on he and
I didn't necessarily agree on the point that I made
of We heard from Tyreek Hill, we heard from Nicole
Hardman and sticking up for Eric b Enemy And I
thought if Patrick Mahomes had said something or went out
(44:31):
and said because we had seen those guys have words
and it's easy to be like commanders.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
You were eight eight and one last year.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
You know you're nice record, but you still finished in
last in the NFC East. You're trying to change things
get better. But I thought of maybe Mahomes would have
come to the enemy's defense and been like, you know,
saying something. John didn't think that it was in Pat's
you know, the view to do it since he's no
longer in Kansas City. But you saw former Chiefs players
sticking up for the former offensive coordinator, and I thought
(45:02):
maybe Mahomes saying something would go a little bit way,
you know, it would go somewhere in support of the enemy.
But that didn't happen. And now I'm waiting and I'm
wondering scratching my head maybe seeing like maybe Doug has
more of a point. If the star quarterback of the
you know, there's there's no there's no loss for Mahomes
in saying something, and him not saying anything was to
(45:22):
me a little surprising considering the other players that spoke up.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, I think I think when you see the guys
that he works with the most saying those things, when
you look around the league and look at how many
Kansas City people have left and how none of them
have taken him with him. When you think about the
fact that this idea he'd left to call plays like okay,
but if they wanted to keep him, it ain't that hard.
Andy Reid's not a spring chicken. He's not going to
(45:48):
be there forever. And if they wanted to be the
next head coach, he could have leverage that that job
with staying. None of those things happened, And I just again,
I don't know for a fact, right I don't work
there on a daily basis, But there are all these
signs out there, and this is what I think those
signs are telling us, if we're really willing to listen.
(46:10):
It's a fascinating topic. And again, like Ron Rivera, in
some ways coaching for his job right, he has complete
he's had complete autonomy the football side. But now you
have a new owner. They want to win, and they
decided to bring in Eric Bienemy. Do I think if
it doesn't work, he can last another year and put
it off on the enemy. Maybe maybe
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