August 17, 2023 • 47 mins
Doug and Dan discuss why the Cleveland Browns are off the radar, why they are not the topic of conversation nationally that they have been for the past several years. Former Major League All-Star Matt Holliday joins the show to talk about automated balls/strikes and other major headlines around the major leagues. College Football insider Brett McMurphy joins Doug and Dan to talk college football realignment. Plus, Dan Beyer takes the crew through a game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Dan, I wanted to start with and for people who
don't know, Okay, so my show is daily three to
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(00:44):
his own I Want Your Flex podcast, which I would
encourage you to download because it'll get you ready for
this upcoming NFL season. But I want to start with
the Michael or story. Only in that look, there's all
kinds of little stories we can get to.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Brock Perdy throws has thrown ten camp interceptions. I don't
know if we care about that or the Trey Lance
did they even want him in San Francisco. We could
get to the abject disaster, which is the Eric b
enemy relationship. Right now with the Washington Commanders, there's only
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one quasi hold out, it's Josh Jacobs, but you feel
like he's going to show up right before the first
week of the season and then play on that franchise
tag because he doesn't really have any options. There's lots
of little stories we could get to. But this is
a story that it Jase dou I thought you said
it best, right. It crosses. There's so many different elements
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to it, right, But I think the overarching thing is
and this is this is kind of where we are
as a society. Okay, so stick with me for a second.
In my lifetime, there's you know, ten of these sorts
of stories. A guy from nothing, Jimmy Butler was one
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homeless right now, he's Jimmy Buckets Kurr owner was stocking
shelves at a grocery store while playing in Europe and
Arena League or whatever, and then becomes the NFL's MVP
and a Hall of Fame quarterback. There are we, by
the way, we never do riches to riches.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
No one ever grew up with money.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No ones are like man I grew up, I had
no issues, three car garage and oh yeah, by the way,
I made it everybody, it's rags riches, but these top
them all in the changing someone's life through helping by
by by helping from a family.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
There's so many elements to it. Right.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
This is in Memphis, Tennessee. And you have white family,
black athlete.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You have kid comes.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
From no means and mom with personal issues to a
solid stable family that become literally became what we would
call again this is child of the eighties.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It's an afternoon special, guy. Remember we used to what
days were those on guys where you get home and
there's an afternoon school special.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
And they're all for They were never on Fridays.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I felt like Wednesday. I felt like Wednesday was the
after school special. Right.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And maybe now you say, what's a lifetime movie. But
this was a real movie because we were told it's
ay real story, because it's a real book, and you
take all the other elements to it, and to start
the week, you felt like, oh my gosh, this family's
taken kid to us, taken advantage of this kid, like
this is terrible the entire story appeared to be fraudulent
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because based upon one lawsuit, there are allegations that they
fleeced him.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
They literally exploited his name image like this.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Of course, now as the other side of the story
comes out and other pieces come out, the most recent part, Dan,
I know you know this on if everybody else has
been paying attention, because I just this story. I don't
know if I can't get enough of but I just
want to see it play out before I make some
true determination into what and who I believe.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
The latest is that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
The Towey family doesn't want to be to have a
conservative ship anymore. And of course the lawyer came out
with some stinging barbs going back two days ago, and
Michael Lewis, who of course was the author and then
helped write the movie. Michael Lewis has come out and said, look,
this is a Hollywood thing, essentially saying it's a bad
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contract and Hollywood made three hundred million and these people
only made three hundred grand, which they split up evenly
amongst everybody.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't know, It's just a fascinating story, Dan.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You and I we work together every day, but we
haven't because you've been filling in for Coveno and Rich
who've been filling in for Dan?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Where are you on this whole?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
You did a complete one eighty. If you would have
talked to me on Monday, I would have been like, gosh,
how dare they do this to Michael O?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
How dare they do this? Twenty four hours later, I'm like,
this is bogus? And the reason is just because it
just felt who had the most to gain in all
of this? And then I found out that Michael Lare
has got a book out or coming out or is
out and had been making some of the media rounds
with some of this. And then I thought, Doug to myself,
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how in the world could this family have imagined that
this story would be not only turned into a movie,
but make the what three hundred million dollars that you
said that it ended up making that would lead to
Sandra Bullock winning an oscar. For there was no possible
way that that family could have known that or had
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this been the plan for it to work out for
them to then want to screw Michael lore over and
not give them any money.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I just we do this all the time, though, right,
And I'm not I'm not saying just you, I saw
it in real time with so many people in the media.
I don't know what becomes of the Brett Favre story,
but remember there was a good week last year during
football season where Brett Farr was the worst human being
on earth.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I don't think that some of the ways in which
he went about trying to raise money for the facilities
at Southern miss were perfect. But I also think that
as more and more evidence comes out, it doesn't appear
that there's any sort of way in which he thought, Okay,
they're going to use welfare money.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Right. It's one thing to call.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Somebody who's got a grant who's sitting on cash and
go like, hey man, I can't donate to my school.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
This has really helped me out. This really help us out.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's a whole other thing to say, like, could you
use the money meant for welfare recipients in the poorest
state in the Union. Let's take food literally out of
mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters hands and put
it into a volleyball facility.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
R a difference there, and I get it.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I like when when salacious accusations come out it's like
it's like cocaine to all of us in the media.
We're like, oh my gosh, we gotta but we do
it all the time, and yeah, now when it comes out,
I look, I think that the truth lies somewhere in
the middle. I did think it was a little much.
(07:26):
Now Here's where I knew there was something up for
a long time.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Is I think all of us on.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Some level have had Michael oron back when he was
a young rgeoning we thought would be Starr in the NFL,
and because we knew the story. But I don't think
he's ever spoken about it, because I every time I've
ever had him on or asked to have him on, I've.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Gotten the hey, look you can have him on.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
He's great, but you can't talk about the He doesn't
want to talk about the blindside.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
He want to talk about how he's raced. What were
you saying? Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
There's one exception member when he wrote his first book,
I think it was twenty eleven, he did a media
tour and that was I think it was called Against
All Odds or something like that, or maybe I'm confusing
it with a phil Collin Sombe maybe, but he did
address a lot of this. He wanted to kind of
set straight the record from his actual story to the
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story in the movie. I just don't think he went
this hard at the family back then.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well there's obviously, I mean, this is is this one
that we're coming back from, right, Like, there's this One's
a that's going to be hard to rebuild any sort
of relationship there, right, Hey, listen, I know I accused
you of stealing fifteen million dollars from me, But we're
good now, right.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I'll tell you what. Yes, on the surface, it does
sound like that. But if this, if the family dynamic
was the same in both ways, I think you'd be
surprised at what could heal. As crazy as it sounds
like Ak's if you know one of us did it
to the other person, there would be no relationship, even
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though we work closely together. But if this is supposed
to be the family unit that and it works for
both sides, maybe the Twoy family feels one way and
or obviously feels the other way. But if if that
is still there, I think that there could be amending
no matter how horrendous this.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It's interesting you point that out because I would agree
with you I do think that all relationships when they're based,
you know, when you dig through all the gobblygook, right,
you go through I mean, obviously you'd have to go
through a lot of therapy, you know. I still think
there's probably a tremendous amount of love. And you know
what happens is people stop talking, and I'm like, again,
(09:44):
I'm totally guessing from thirty thousand feet here, sure, but
you're guessing that here's Michael Or who is on a
trajectory to success, to making one hundred million dollars. His
NFL career didn't work out right, and now he starts
looking through things and people have been saying, like, bro,
you made how much from that movie?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
You made?
Speaker 7 (10:02):
What?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Excuse me?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And you know, you get around people who continue to
kind of stoke that fire and you don't actually sit
down and have conversations with it. It's no different than
any sort of marriage breakdown or family breakdown. When you
stop talking, you start making up the stories in your head,
and you start taking stippets of what other people say
to you, and you create a narrative of your own.
(10:27):
And there there is definitely a room room for redemption,
especially if there's if there, if it truly is kind
of based upon you know, love and appreciation for each other.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I just we're not close to that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Point right now because yeah, because it's not like my
core is like yeah, hey, my bad.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah, it's way off, way off in the distance. And
I also find an interesting, Doug from what you said
at the outset of the show, specifically with this show
that we are currently sitting in, uh, sitting in for
the guys for the Dan Patrick Show, and what is
conversation about Rudy and what Joe Montana said about the
movie Rudy. Nobody wants to believe it. Nobody wants to
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believe that this great blind Side story didn't actually turn
out like this or actually wasn't like this. And that's
the part that's like, if we found out that in Hoosiers,
you know, Jimmy doesn't make the shot, if that, you know,
didn't happen and it was a fictional story, we'd be like, oh,
it's kind of a letdown. But then we feel like, hey,
(11:28):
this did happen. It's happened at Mile in high school
in the nineteen fifties. This actually happened. There's something that
is tied to it, and so now to have this
I feel that there's a different emotional reaction because you
want to believe it's true. I mean, how many years
ago to Joe Montana try to shoot down the rudy
you know script on this show and the guys still
talk about it. And I think that's a part of
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this as well. And why for everything that you said
at the outset of why it still affects us right
now is because the story was so good. I don't
know if it's you know, too to be true, but
we don't want it to not be.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That story is the Kurt Warner the only story that's
too good to be true that really is.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean that one's pretty amazing if you really
kind of get down to it, like he he goes
from Arena League and then playing in Europe and really
the third string quarterback with the Rams store the grocery
store thing, yea, to the greatest show on turf and
then oh yeah, by the way, the other element to
(12:30):
it was, you know, he with the bad was a
finger or hand. When he was in New York, they
couldn't play him like he went, this was my thing.
Kurt's a friend and he's an awesome, awesome dude. And
by the way, like I don't know how many people
know this, He's got a gym at his house and
so he always has people over to play like four
on four. It's like it's kind of like three quarter
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court length. And you always want to be on Kurts
team because he does make every call and makes a
lot of shots, but he get in the calls anyway.
But like his Hall of Fame resume was hard because
he had like four years where he's arguably or inarguably
the best quarterback in the league, but he had like
five years where he couldn't really play, like he was
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bad and he was a backup, like within the context
of his that's not even taking into account how he
made the league, et cetera. But he The thing about
Kurt is like he made it from nowhere, then lost it,
then was a backup, then made it again in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Like it's crazy, and.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's one of those like there's no way it's too
good to be true, and it's not, but the Ore
story does appear to be, at least on some level,
too good to be true.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I just wish we could kind of like you guys
ever seen Mystery Science Theater three.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Thousand, long time ago?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But yes, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Mystery to Jaseu, he didn't say anything, so you've never
said no.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I remember. It's kind of and then cheap seats came
after it kind of ripped.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It off right right, and it's basically, you know, you
had the idea, was these this guy and a robot
and was there like.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
A dog or something I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But they're stuck in space and so they have to
watch these terrible B movies because the only thing that
they have, and they just make smart ass comments the
entire time, right or I just wish we had like
Michael Orr while that movie's being played and say.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Like, well, here's what really happened. Yeah, that's not really
how it took place. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
That may be a bummer too, So I'm not sure. Okay,
So Dan's done a one to eighty. Where are you
Jay Stu on this story? Who do you believe? As
of Thursday, August seventeenth.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
It sure doesn't look good for Michael Orr's side of
the story. And I think when the receipts come out,
I think the family's probably going to come out looking
like they didn't do a whole lot wrong here. I
think that's sad.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Though.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Rich Ornberger was in for you earlier in the week
and he had said something along the lines of this
is sad regardless because if this is a pure money play,
that means Michael we went through all of his money,
which is sad because you can't spend that money. That
that means you've got bad advice, financial advice, and uh,
he wouldn't be the first nor the last, but the
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whole thing just stinks. I think I was at that
phase on Monday, and I'm still at that phase. Uh,
but yeah, that's that's kind of where it's. It's it
seems to be leaning towards the family. But I think
we'll we'll reserve all final opinions.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Uh, John Ramos, how about you?
Speaker 8 (15:28):
I just think I agree with Jason. I just think
it's sad. It's sad. That's something that was so powerful,
you know, winning Sandra Bullock an Oscar and just kind
of being a good, feel good story has come to
this level right now?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Is it sad? Or is it too bad? Is there
our levels?
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (15:47):
Right, like like that's too bad. I'll go but you're
gonna go I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that's too bad,
that's too bad, It's sad.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I really thought Dan would was doing the lyrics of
an eighties.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Pop band to say, remember when Michael Orr sat down
and said, take a look at me now after you.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Phil Colls is one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
He went bald early, so you never he never really
aged even when he aged right.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's one of.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Those I was. I took one of my daughters to
barbecue joint yesterday and we walked by a guy and
I said, like, Grace, did you see that guy's hair?
She's like, yeah, what about it? I go like, did
you look a little closer? So she's like no, Wow.
I was like, dude, that's the worst rug I've ever seen.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But he was a young guy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
He's a good looking dude, but you know, I mean,
he had like the the it looked like the whole
top was gone. And then he had some real hair
on the side. And I don't know if it was
a chia pet like planted in there, or if it
was just one of those sticker things going on. I
don't know, but it looked bad. She's just like one
of those you want to grab him go, like do
you what are you doing? Like it's okay, people are
bald today.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
I've always had a very good inkling for calling out
or knowing someone with a two pay since I was young.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
In my younger days, I agree, my my gadar, my
gaydar is bad. My gadar is bad, but my radar
on hair pieces is good.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I don't know if you guys said like, I don't.
I think some people have both, some people have neither.
That's where mine breaks down. But anyway, I just wanted to,
like you want to grab them go like, look, dude,
you're a young guy, you're in good shape, you got
a good looking girlfriend. Like, just shave it right, and
then eventually you'll never age, Like, yeah, you're bald at
like I don't know, he probably looked like he was thirty,
(17:37):
Like all right, you're bald at thirty. It sucks really, really,
really hard, okay, but like you know, it's a good
hat collection you can go through and balt's kind of
beautiful and cool and kind of masculine, and you know,
by the time you get to fifty, you won't look
fifty you'll still look forty right.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
That's the Phil Collins thing.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
John, Is this superpower only with two pays or does
it work with wigs as well? It works with everything,
all right, yeah, but it works with what else? Wiggs?
Speaker 11 (18:03):
I don't know if it was just male specific extensions
like that, extensions wigs.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yep, I'm good at all of that stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
We need to have. This needs to be part of
the next John Ramo Show.
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Speaker 4 (18:48):
Look major league go ahead. I'm sorry, Dan, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Look, the the idea of of having an having an umpire,
or taking away the umpire and have having it basically
called by computer or a robot or you know this,
the idea of not having a living human being calling
balls and strikes is getting We're getting it feels like
(19:18):
closer and closer. We got AI technology, which anybody who
has kids knows kids use it to write their papers.
I'm just fascinating on what actual baseball players think of
the idea of having some form of robot umpire.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Let's welcome in Matt Holliday.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Of course, the seven time All Star, four times Silver Slugger,
should be noted that his son Jackson, is the number
one prospect in Minor League Baseball for being the number
one pick of the Orioles in the minor league draft,
in the in the in the amateur draft. Going back
to last year, Matt, good morning to you. Where are
you on umpires as opposed to the robots in New
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York calling balls and strikes?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Well, I think that I think, you know, Triple A
has the challenge where they can challenge and I don't
know what the exact rules are how often you can
challenge it, but I at least like the idea that
a hitter gets the opportunity to challenge the balls and strikes.
They did it at the Futures Game. It was the
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first time I'd seen it in person, and it was
a pretty cool deal where you know that the hitter
steps out challenges and then they go to the to
the jumbo tron in the outfield and it shows this
technology where almost like kind of like tennis, where it
shows the ball coming through and then you know it's
a ball instead of a strike or strike instead of
a ball, and then you know that's the result. So
(20:44):
I don't know if I'm in favor of completely going
to you know, sort of this just umpires standing there
relaying the information they're getting from the technology. But I
think that the hitter having an opportunity to challenge one
pitch that bad or I don't know exactly you know,
(21:06):
how much or what what the rules should be, but
I do like the idea in a big spot, if
if the umpire gets carried away with the emotions of
the game, or you know, you have an umpire that's
that's struggling that night and not not doing a very
good job, and it's it's a big call and it's
a you know, it's a strike three or a pitch
that's a big point in the game that's going to
impact the outcome of the game, that you have a
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chance to go to a to a you know, and
what however you want to phrase it, a computer or
something that that's totally doesn't have, you know, take the
emotion out of the game, and it just kind of
is what it is. So I'm you know, as a hitter,
I like to be right, particularly in and out. I
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understand that some of the technology might cause you know,
some high strikes or some low strikes, maybe some breaking
balls that end up almost in the dirt, catching the
bottom half of the strike zone, But I'm okay with
that if you get to the in and out right,
those are the ones it's really hard as a hitter
to cover off the plate both the way and inside
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at times that the umpires give. So I am in
favor of some sort of technology.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, I guess that the fear is that it turns
into football where you know, football replay, as good as
it is and as many games as it's changed and
bad calls as it's saved, we have reached the point where,
even in a game winning touchdown we got it, we
can't just like celebrate organically, hold on, we got to
wait to see if that one right. It takes away
(22:37):
some of the organic nature to it, and you don't
want that in addition to which like, I don't know,
and again I know, I obviously didn't play it nearly
at your level, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Kind of the the cool thing.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
About baseball has always been that no park is uniform, right,
so everybody has their own park roles, and no umpires
strike zone is uniform. So this guy likes the low ones.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I kind of think that's the beauty to it is
the human factor, and I fear that we're taking the
human factor out of it.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Yeah, I see that, but I mean then there's the
the idea of hitting ninety seven mile on our fastballs
with it the umpire like like the outside off the
outside corner. That's great that he likes that, that doesn't
make it, you know, easy to hit or even possible
to hit. So I don't know. I think that if
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we have the technology to get the balls and strikes right,
I don't see why we don't use it. So, you know, I,
like I said, I I'm okay with with the current situation,
But as a hitter, there's nothing more maddening than having
counts changed in the pitcher's favor because you know, you know,
(23:51):
when we have technology when when you get the from
a it goes from a you know, sort of a
two to one count I'm in a good spot to
a one two count because he this is a pitch
that's clearly off the plate. So I have respect for umpires.
It's a hard job, and I think that all in
all they do a really really good job. But if
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we get to the point where it's quick to have
you know, very very accurate balls and strikes, and then
I'm I'm good with getting it right over tradition, you know,
in this in this situation, because it doesn't take long.
Unlike replay in the NFL, where you have to run
over and get under the hood and somebody you know,
could take up to a few minutes to check it.
This is this is instant notification of of what's you know,
(24:36):
a ball or strike.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
How do you fix the Yankees?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Well, you know, I think at this point they've gotten
a little bit old. They're they're hurt, they're banged up.
A lot of their pitchers are hurt, guys that they've
counted on, uh to to to really carry.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
The rotation has been has been kind of a mess.
Uh So you know sometimes uh, you know, obviously having
a ton of money and being able to go out
in the free agent market and buy essentially, you know,
whoever you want. Is is a great thing, but you
have to have you have to have an influx of
young talent, uh, you know, coming and being able to
(25:19):
supplement free agents as opposed to rely on free agents.
So uh, you know, I think sometimes you just can't
help injuries, you know, and and sometimes a guy like
you know, Stan who uh you know, at one point
was a you know, an elite player and a great athlete.
You know, injuries have taken his toll on him. And uh,
you know, Rizzo's has a hit from power this year,
(25:41):
and and he's had some injuries. And so I think
you have to be careful of of having too many
older players that that are uh somewhat injury prone or
or starting ahead, and that's you know, sort of down
part of their career where and then it really tests
your depth of how good your young your young players are,
(26:01):
and they just haven't performed maybe to what they thought.
So I think it's been kind of a culmination of
a lot of things going wrong. Uh this year. Well,
you know, there's several teams have had that you know,
you had the Mets and the Padres and the Cardinals
all also you know, coming into this season, we all
would have guessed with you know, with the new with
(26:23):
an extra playoff spot, that all those teams that have
been probably right in the middle of of playoffs, but
you know, it looks like none of them will be
in So, uh, it's Baseball can be weird like that,
where you know, a couple of key injuries and you know,
a couple of guys have down years and next thing
you know, uh, you know it could look really bad.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, are they built for the past era? Right?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
How much of it is injuries, but how much of
it is like Look, baseball has dramatically changed you and
I talked about this in person, talked a bit on
about on my show, which is now athleticism now priority
on the base pass.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It's a priority.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You have to be able to cover your position, can't
hide you with the shift, right, and uh, it feels
like it's it's a different sport, and so the constructive
teams has to be different and these teams are just
slow to adjust to everything that's changed within this season.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean that's definitely a good point. I do
think that sometimes you're you're you're sort of tied to
a contracts, right, so you're you're tied into some some
some contracts that that that you've already signed, you know,
sort of pre shift and pre you know, looking at
the game a little bit differently with with athleticism. But
(27:41):
I do think you're right in that it is it
is a more athletic game. I think, you know, the
ability to manufacture runs and you know, to do things
a little different. It's coming back around, uh, you know
to where we had gotten to the point where it
was sort of everybody just wanted, you know, home run
hitters and guys that you know play play that. And
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now it looks like.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Do we lose them or is that me? Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
With with with with us, Matt, We'll get them back
in one second. This is the Dan Patrick Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Matt Holliday's our guest, seven time
All Star, four time Silver Sluckers, were discussing things in
Major League Baseball. I do if there he is there is,
let me let me, let me let me have with
us the Dodgers and one ten to row. Now I
think we can all say, hey, the Braves are the
(28:33):
best team in baseball and be okay with that. Uh,
this was it felt like like a transition year for
the Dodgers. Say, they really didn't do much. Fix the bullpen,
fix the rotation. Everybody thinks they're going after show hey
and then going to fix things next year. But now
you're sitting at seventy three and forty six winners of
ten games in a row. How much of this is
real and how much of this is just a heater?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I think they're good. I mean, I think they're you know,
they still have a lot of great players. I mean,
they have two of the best players in the league
with Rookie Betts and and Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
They still have Clayton Kershaw, who when the healthy is
is pitching like he you know, peak Clayton Kershaw. They
still have They've They've done an incredible job despite picking
uh later in the first round, uh, you know, and
then not having a ton of high drafts, of of
developing a lot of really good young players and a
lot of impact pitchers.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So when they go to their farm system, it seems
like the guys they bring up uh come up with
and have an impact and so they have some they
have some sneaky, sneaky good players, and like Will Smith
and and some of these guys that you know out
on the West coast maybe don't get the love that
they would if they played on the East coast. So
I think they they they just continue to be good
(29:49):
and roll out uh you know, vision winning seasons and
and so uh, I think they're good. I mean, I
just they have experienced a lot of their their uh
their their players there, they're veteran players, have won the
World Series, and I just think you know, they're they're
going to be tough out and and I think that
they play well at home. It's a very tough place
(30:12):
to go in and win, a Dodger Stadium. So I
definitely think that that they might be flying under the
radar a little bit with with the way as good
as the Braves have played, but I think the Dodgers
are and they are going to be right in the
middle of the National League when it comes to the
off time.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
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have a great day. Good looking at whatever pickleball your
game you're playing in today, and we'll talk soon. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 4 (31:03):
I don't know how many people know this.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Matt Holliday was supposed to go to Oklahoma State, who's
the number one ranked quarterback in the country. His dad
at the time was the head baseball coach, his brother
was a baseball player, and now his brother's the baseball
coach at Oklahoma State, and all things revolving around Oaklham
State will bring in Brett McMurphy, who's also an Oklahoma
State alone but most known for being a college football
insider with the Action Network and Brett I think a
(31:25):
lot of people continue to react to the downfall of
the PAC twelve, not because of what has happened over
the past couple weeks, but because of what could have
happened over the past couple years. Why didn't the PAC
twelve go for the juggler and kill the Big twelve
two years ago, which ultimately has ended up killing the
(31:47):
PAC twelve Today.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
On your show for the next hour, and I can
go through it by blow. Now I'm kidding, because basically
their presidents felt like they were above the Big twelve
schools because of academics and other factors. They had no
interest in adding the schools from the Big twelve that
were left over Bob bowlsby the former commissioner went to
the PAC twelve and said, hey, let's merge. You can
(32:13):
take our eight schools. You'll have a PAC twenty And
basically the PAC twelve said no. And then Brett Yormark
comes in as a new commissioner. He goes early with
TV deal, he gets that done and then you know,
great story yesterday by Brady McColl of the La Times,
you know, laid out some details behind the scenes of
what happened over the past couple of years. And basically
(32:36):
there were two or three main sticking points on what
doomed the PAC twelve. Obviously it's not that simple, but
one is George Kleofkov put a big emphasis on trying
to get the California Board of Regents to block UCLA's
move to the Big Ten, which I guess technically they could,
but realistically, you know, nobody in that position is going
(32:58):
to keep backing university from moving to another conference. But
still he put a lot of effort in that, tried
to work that behind the scenes that obviously did not work,
and then ultimately Brady reported that, you know, ESPN came
to the Fact twelve with an offer of about thirty
million per school, which is what the Big Twelve ultimately got.
(33:19):
But one of the presidents had a quote professor on
his campus that ran the Meteorites value info for them
and said, no, we're worth fifty million per school instead
of thirty. So they turned down the thirty told ESPN
they want fifty million per school. ESPN said no, they
never got a deal. And now that the conference has
(33:42):
blown up in Oregon State, Washington State, Callen Stanford are
trying to, you know, scrape something together.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Here along the heels of that. I also heard and
Braddy can't remember if it was from the same article
or not, but a message that was the conference wasn't
too hurt that Colorado was leaving and I felt they
had a suitable replacement. Is that true? Was it San
Diego State? Was Was there a backup plan that they
could have navigated that Colorado departure that maybe they felt
(34:10):
didn't have an effect on the conference?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
I mean, look, you know, after the fact, it's easy
for people to say, oh, yeah, we didn't want that
school in our conference. And yeah, Colorado has not had
much if any success since they got the Pac twelve
except for one season. But to get San Diego State
in it's not that easy. Santego State, depending on when
they left the Mountain West, would at to pay either
(34:33):
seventeen or thirty four million dollars. So yeah, you could
say they could slide in there. Guys. It's just like
when you know, you know, you know how this works
fan base. You're after a recruit and you think you've
got this recruit locked in, and then at the last
minute he signs with your rival school, and then you're like, oh, yeah,
we didn't want him anyway, he's not that good. That's
(34:55):
how it is with this thing with Colorado. They loved
Colorado until Colorado wasn't a and then suddenly it's like, well,
they're not that good anyway. You can say what you
want about Colorado. You know, you're in the Denver market.
That's pretty significant. Dion brings a lot of attention to that,
and you're losing a Power five program that brings in
Power five media, RTEs revenue, and it's it's easy to
(35:18):
kind of dismiss them, but it's kind of comical. It's
like a fan base just find losing a recruit to
another school.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
It's interesting because this is a transition year, right, Like
the Big twelve brings in new schools but still has
Oklahoma and Texas. The Pac twelve obviously has changed dramatically,
will change dramatically this year. How does all that affect
the actual season?
Speaker 10 (35:45):
You think, Well, I know from talking to the folks
at the different schools that you know, the schools leaving SCUCLA,
Texas and Oklahoma, you know they're I think half joking
but half serious, Like, you know, how are we going
to get treated by the officials? They know what the
(36:06):
fan base is going to be Like, I mean, Doug,
I'm I'm sure you're going to be for the final,
going to be in Steelwater for the final bedlam? I
mean it's it's going to be crazy fan wise, but
you know there is some you know, there is some concern,
you know when you talk to these schools privately about
how are they going to be treated on the field.
You know, I don't think there's any vendetta out there
(36:28):
to screw the schools that are leaving that this is
their last year in the league. But again that's human nature,
and I guarantee the first bad call against one of
these schools, you know, you can see the instant outrage
on Twitter, like the Big Twelves, you know, they're paying
back go you in Texas right now? Are the Pac
Twelves putting it to USC and UCLA, Oregon and Washington.
(36:51):
Whether that's legit or not, I don't know. I think
the officials are above that, you know, the ones that
do these games. But again that's going to to be
in the back of the mind of everybody if you
see some calls go against these schools that are that
are getting out this year.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Is it going to be a yearly tradition now and
wondering on who's going to stay in the ACC? I mean,
like it it felt like that's what this week felt like. Hey,
the unlike any they're going to stick around for twenty
twenty four. How long can this go on in that conference?
Speaker 10 (37:20):
Yeah, that's a that's a great point, and yeah it is.
You know, look, Florida State has been very vocal, their president,
their border regents has said, you know, look, it's not
if we're going to leave, it's win and how And
you know, the deadline to leave before the twenty fourth
season was a couple of days ago, August fifteenth. But yeah,
(37:41):
so now the clock starts on next August fifteenth. And
I think at some point Florida State, Clemson, possibly North Carolina,
maybe Miami, Virginia. I mean the list goes on and on,
will get try to get out of the ACC. I mean, look,
you can pay the exit fee, but then you got
to negotiate you know, basically ten to twelve years of
(38:03):
TV revenue that you would owe the league or the
grant arrives. But yeah, I think this is going to
this is going to continue. And that's why, you know,
going back, Doug, when you asked about the PAC twelve,
the future of the PAC twelve was never dependent on
the PAC twelve. It was always on the Big ten.
When did the Big ten decide they would add USC, UCLA, Oregon,
(38:27):
and Washington. And that's what made the PAC twelve and
such precarious position. And it's the same with the ACC.
They're going to remain only as long as those schools
don't leave, because then they'll go to the to the
Big ten and the ACC. As a Big twelve guy,
the reason that Big twelve staying together is, look, nobody
(38:48):
else wants this. I mean, the SEC got who they wanted.
The Big ten doesn't want anybody, so there's nowhere for
these guys to go. So because of that, the Big
twelve is kind of actually risen above everything in the ACC,
kind of waiting there. And you're right, this is going
to be an annual occurrence. We should celebrate it like Festivus.
But until these guys actually announced that they're leaving, this
(39:10):
is going to be continually on the back of everybody's mind.
Is okay, yeah, you're together now, but how long until
you know schools A through Z say they're going to
leave the conference.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
We're a couple weeks away from CN Dion's first first squad, right,
he's gonna get a chance to on Fox. They'll take
on TCU and There's a lot more to this game
than just a future Big you know, a future Big
twelve opponent taking on TCU who went to the National
Championship Game last year. There's you know, bragging rights within
the DFW, which is where you know, so many of
(39:44):
these players come from. What do we guess this first
year of Colorada Buffalo is going to look like?
Speaker 10 (39:52):
I think the over under for the win to was
three and a half, and the guys that do are
analytics at Action Network, I think are rejecting them at
two or three wins. You know, they're not going to
get to a Bowl game. You know, maybe somewhere down
the road they will in the next few years. I
think I agree with those projections. I think they're really
(40:13):
going to struggle. They've obviously had a ton of turnover.
You know, Dion did great at Jackson State. It's not
to say you won't do great at Colorado. But I
just think this first year depth is going to be
a real concern. Obviously that the transfer portal issues have
been well documented, and ultimately I think there I saw
saw something the other day they mainly have like five
(40:36):
defensive linemen. If that's accurate, I don't You're not going
to get through an entire season with five defensive linemen.
And if you are, your defense is not going to
stop many people. I think they'll put up some points.
I think they'll be you know, explosive on offense. I
just think the defense isn't going to be able to
stop anybody. And the schedule, again, they're projected only be
(40:57):
favored in two of their two of the twelve games,
so unless they pull off a handful of upsets, they're
probably looking at you somewhere between two and four wins,
which the sports will feed the narrative of the PAC
twelve broll. We didn't really need him.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, well, and then it'll be interesting to see what he's
able to do in recruiting and in building in short order.
It's hard to flip in the year, but two years
is kind of the expectation. Brett McMurphy check him out
in the Action Network Fall on social media.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Brett, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
Thanks guys, appreciate it all.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Right, coming up next to The Dan Patrick Show, we'll
play the Price is Right with sports Memorabilia.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Doug Gottlieb, Dan Byron for Dan the Danet's Dan Patrick Show,
Fox Sports Radio, and just as we did last hour
and we do every day on the Doug Gottlieb Show
afternoon's three to five Eastern on Fox Sports Trade of
the iHeartRadio app, we play a game. So this game
is we continue with the price is right of sports memorabilia?
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Yes, that's a decent way to put it. Yeah, I
was gonna say it's a bit of an auction, but
we just want to get the closest price. This on
the heels of a Mickey Mantle game More nineteen fifty
eight jersey that is right now in the auction block
and the highest bid as we speak is three point
two million dollars. So I just went to eBay and
looked at different sports memorabilia and wanted to see how
close you guys could get to guessing the correct price
(42:28):
for these items. Doug, you're up two to one to zero,
so you have two correct. John Ramos has won a
Jason Stewart as zero. Jason, we're going to start the
bidding with you on this one. You know, Doug made
some news this week when he interviewed Joey Bosa and
Bosa had no interest in watching the Quarterback Netflix show
that featured Patrick Mahomes. How much on eBay could we
(42:48):
get for a twenty twenty Pinini playbook? Patrick Mahomes, Joey
Bosa face to face relic autograph seven out of ten
trading card? How much would you pay or do you
think that this card is worth? Right now on eBay
autographed by Mahomes and Bosa face to face. There's only
(43:12):
ten of them.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Wow, I really need to tap into my nerd mode here.
I'm gonna say one hundred and seventeen dollars.
Speaker 11 (43:20):
One hundred and seventeen dollars, John Ramos, I'll say five
hundred dollars, five hundred, Doug, five hundred dollars one. I'm
going to go five oh one.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Doug knows how to play the game, and you'd get
quite the discount. Right now, it's going for two thousand,
five hundred, ninety nine dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
The thing that threw me off, I mean, obviously that's
a lot of money, but also seven out of ten.
Isn't that the rating of the condition.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Uh No, it's the it's funny that you mentioned that
there's only ten of those, so that that's the actually
seventy correct.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
I think we've proven I am awful at this. I'm
an awful memorabilia.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
No, I think I actually think you like I wouldn't
you're thinking to yourself like, why would I spend more
than one hundred bucks on this thing?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
And somebody others like I want Thrausman how much? How
much you say it was?
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Two thousand dollars, two thousand, five hundred ninety nine dollars
and ninety nine cents, just shy of twenty six hundred bucks?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
What am I like to know what the reserve is
on that one? I don't think they're getting.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
What about an autographed full sized helmet of the New
York Jets by Aaron Rodgers that also says J E
ts on it? Now there are multiple of these. A
fanatics helmet, full sized autographed Jets helmet signed by Aaron Rodgers,
John Ramos, your guest on the price of this.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna go off if that card was two grand,
this is a listen.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah right, I'm gonna go high. I'm gonna go seven
thousand dollars, seven thousand.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Okay, there's multiple do we know how many there are?
Speaker 5 (44:58):
No, it's just one helmet, just a rag full sized helmet.
That's all it is. Jet's helmet autographed by Aaron Rodgers
minute two minutes.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I'm gonna go five hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Five hundred Jason Stewart.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
That sounds about right, but I'm gonna go five oh one.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Oh man. Jason Stewart is on the board. Twelve one
hundred and ninety nine dollars. Yes, just shy of thirteen
hundred dollars. John Ramos is seven thousand dollars for that,
just a bit of an overpay. But Jason Stewart is
on the board. Doug right now with a two item lead.
As we go into our final item of this round, Doug,
(45:34):
we start the bidding with you. How much would you
play pay for an autographed Doug Gottlieb NBA con lanyard
and an NBA risk band. So you must have signed
an autographed at autograph at na con really and someone
is now selling it on eBay? How much would you
pay for? Plus you got a wrist band? You get
(45:56):
an NBA risk band with it? How much would you
pay for this?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You gotta be kidding that doesn't he You also wrote.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
FSR on it as well, Like instead of forty four,
you wrote FSR. How much would you pay for this?
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Ten dollars?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Ten dollars? Jason Stewart, this is a joke. That's serious.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
I'm gonna go seven ninety nine.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
Seven ninety nine, John Ramos ten oh one? It is
John Ramos is because right now it could be yours
for twenty nine ninety nine. Yeah, good job, Doug.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yes, I know the value is actually it's the first
ever NBA con that's the real value. Had I not
signed it, it would probably be worth more.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
All right, John's within two. But you can get that
Doug lanyard for just thirty bucks.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
You're telling me that Doug put in a bid for
twenty nine ninety nine. He's oh a bit.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
It would already been mine, right I listed for sale.
That's what I did to increase the value.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Come next to the Dad Patrick Show.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
We'll tell you why this Michael Orr story is captured
the attention of the entire country.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Dan, I wanted to start with and for people who
don't know, Okay, so my show is daily three to
five Eastern time on Fox Sports Radio, foxportsrade dot com, Iheartapp,
and of course we have an hour live podcast that's
from five to six. You pick it up whatever, but
we do it, you know, in the third hour of
the show. Dan of course part of that show. And
then Dan has his own show on weekends, Busy has
(00:44):
his own I Want Your Flex podcast, which I would
encourage you to download because it'll get you ready for
this upcoming NFL season. But I want to start with
the Michael or story. Only in that look, there's all
kinds of little stories we can get to.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Brock Perdy throws has thrown ten camp interceptions. I don't
know if we care about that or the Trey Lance
did they even want him in San Francisco. We could
get to the abject disaster, which is the Eric b
enemy relationship. Right now with the Washington Commanders, there's only
(01:20):
one quasi hold out, it's Josh Jacobs, but you feel
like he's going to show up right before the first
week of the season and then play on that franchise
tag because he doesn't really have any options. There's lots
of little stories we could get to. But this is
a story that it Jase dou I thought you said
it best, right. It crosses. There's so many different elements
(01:42):
to it, right, But I think the overarching thing is
and this is this is kind of where we are
as a society. Okay, so stick with me for a second.
In my lifetime, there's you know, ten of these sorts
of stories. A guy from nothing, Jimmy Butler was one
(02:03):
homeless right now, he's Jimmy Buckets Kurr owner was stocking
shelves at a grocery store while playing in Europe and
Arena League or whatever, and then becomes the NFL's MVP
and a Hall of Fame quarterback. There are we, by
the way, we never do riches to riches.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
No one ever grew up with money.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No ones are like man I grew up, I had
no issues, three car garage and oh yeah, by the way,
I made it everybody, it's rags riches, but these top
them all in the changing someone's life through helping by
by by helping from a family.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
There's so many elements to it. Right.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
This is in Memphis, Tennessee. And you have white family,
black athlete.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You have kid comes.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
From no means and mom with personal issues to a
solid stable family that become literally became what we would
call again this is child of the eighties.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It's an afternoon special, guy. Remember we used to what
days were those on guys where you get home and
there's an afternoon school special.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
And they're all for They were never on Fridays.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I felt like Wednesday. I felt like Wednesday was the
after school special. Right.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And maybe now you say, what's a lifetime movie. But
this was a real movie because we were told it's
ay real story, because it's a real book, and you
take all the other elements to it, and to start
the week, you felt like, oh my gosh, this family's
taken kid to us, taken advantage of this kid, like
this is terrible the entire story appeared to be fraudulent
(03:40):
because based upon one lawsuit, there are allegations that they
fleeced him.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
They literally exploited his name image like this.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Of course, now as the other side of the story
comes out and other pieces come out, the most recent part, Dan,
I know you know this on if everybody else has
been paying attention, because I just this story. I don't
know if I can't get enough of but I just
want to see it play out before I make some
true determination into what and who I believe.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
The latest is that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
The Towey family doesn't want to be to have a
conservative ship anymore. And of course the lawyer came out
with some stinging barbs going back two days ago, and
Michael Lewis, who of course was the author and then
helped write the movie. Michael Lewis has come out and said, look,
this is a Hollywood thing, essentially saying it's a bad
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contract and Hollywood made three hundred million and these people
only made three hundred grand, which they split up evenly
amongst everybody.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't know, It's just a fascinating story, Dan.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You and I we work together every day, but we
haven't because you've been filling in for Coveno and Rich
who've been filling in for Dan?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Where are you on this whole?
Speaker 5 (04:54):
You did a complete one eighty. If you would have
talked to me on Monday, I would have been like, gosh,
how dare they do this to Michael O?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
How dare they do this? Twenty four hours later, I'm like,
this is bogus? And the reason is just because it
just felt who had the most to gain in all
of this? And then I found out that Michael Lare
has got a book out or coming out or is
out and had been making some of the media rounds
with some of this. And then I thought, Doug to myself,
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how in the world could this family have imagined that
this story would be not only turned into a movie,
but make the what three hundred million dollars that you
said that it ended up making that would lead to
Sandra Bullock winning an oscar. For there was no possible
way that that family could have known that or had
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this been the plan for it to work out for
them to then want to screw Michael lore over and
not give them any money.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I just we do this all the time, though, right,
And I'm not I'm not saying just you, I saw
it in real time with so many people in the media.
I don't know what becomes of the Brett Favre story,
but remember there was a good week last year during
football season where Brett Farr was the worst human being
on earth.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I don't think that some of the ways in which
he went about trying to raise money for the facilities
at Southern miss were perfect. But I also think that
as more and more evidence comes out, it doesn't appear
that there's any sort of way in which he thought, Okay,
they're going to use welfare money.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Right. It's one thing to call.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Somebody who's got a grant who's sitting on cash and
go like, hey man, I can't donate to my school.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
This has really helped me out. This really help us out.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's a whole other thing to say, like, could you
use the money meant for welfare recipients in the poorest
state in the Union. Let's take food literally out of
mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters hands and put
it into a volleyball facility.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
R a difference there, and I get it.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I like when when salacious accusations come out it's like
it's like cocaine to all of us in the media.
We're like, oh my gosh, we gotta but we do
it all the time, and yeah, now when it comes out,
I look, I think that the truth lies somewhere in
the middle. I did think it was a little much.
(07:26):
Now Here's where I knew there was something up for
a long time.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Is I think all of us on.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Some level have had Michael oron back when he was
a young rgeoning we thought would be Starr in the NFL,
and because we knew the story. But I don't think
he's ever spoken about it, because I every time I've
ever had him on or asked to have him on, I've.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Gotten the hey, look you can have him on.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
He's great, but you can't talk about the He doesn't
want to talk about the blindside.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
He want to talk about how he's raced. What were
you saying? Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
There's one exception member when he wrote his first book,
I think it was twenty eleven, he did a media
tour and that was I think it was called Against
All Odds or something like that, or maybe I'm confusing
it with a phil Collin Sombe maybe, but he did
address a lot of this. He wanted to kind of
set straight the record from his actual story to the
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story in the movie. I just don't think he went
this hard at the family back then.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well there's obviously, I mean, this is is this one
that we're coming back from, right, Like, there's this One's
a that's going to be hard to rebuild any sort
of relationship there, right, Hey, listen, I know I accused
you of stealing fifteen million dollars from me, But we're
good now, right.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I'll tell you what. Yes, on the surface, it does
sound like that. But if this, if the family dynamic
was the same in both ways, I think you'd be
surprised at what could heal. As crazy as it sounds
like Ak's if you know one of us did it
to the other person, there would be no relationship, even
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though we work closely together. But if this is supposed
to be the family unit that and it works for
both sides, maybe the Twoy family feels one way and
or obviously feels the other way. But if if that
is still there, I think that there could be amending
no matter how horrendous this.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It's interesting you point that out because I would agree
with you I do think that all relationships when they're based,
you know, when you dig through all the gobblygook, right,
you go through I mean, obviously you'd have to go
through a lot of therapy, you know. I still think
there's probably a tremendous amount of love. And you know
what happens is people stop talking, and I'm like, again,
(09:44):
I'm totally guessing from thirty thousand feet here, sure, but
you're guessing that here's Michael Or who is on a
trajectory to success, to making one hundred million dollars. His
NFL career didn't work out right, and now he starts
looking through things and people have been saying, like, bro,
you made how much from that movie?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
You made?
Speaker 7 (10:02):
What?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Excuse me?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And you know, you get around people who continue to
kind of stoke that fire and you don't actually sit
down and have conversations with it. It's no different than
any sort of marriage breakdown or family breakdown. When you
stop talking, you start making up the stories in your head,
and you start taking stippets of what other people say
to you, and you create a narrative of your own.
(10:27):
And there there is definitely a room room for redemption,
especially if there's if there, if it truly is kind
of based upon you know, love and appreciation for each other.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I just we're not close to that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Point right now because yeah, because it's not like my
core is like yeah, hey, my bad.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Yeah, it's way off, way off in the distance. And
I also find an interesting, Doug from what you said
at the outset of the show, specifically with this show
that we are currently sitting in, uh, sitting in for
the guys for the Dan Patrick Show, and what is
conversation about Rudy and what Joe Montana said about the
movie Rudy. Nobody wants to believe it. Nobody wants to
(11:07):
believe that this great blind Side story didn't actually turn
out like this or actually wasn't like this. And that's
the part that's like, if we found out that in Hoosiers,
you know, Jimmy doesn't make the shot, if that, you know,
didn't happen and it was a fictional story, we'd be like, oh,
it's kind of a letdown. But then we feel like, hey,
(11:28):
this did happen. It's happened at Mile in high school
in the nineteen fifties. This actually happened. There's something that
is tied to it, and so now to have this
I feel that there's a different emotional reaction because you
want to believe it's true. I mean, how many years
ago to Joe Montana try to shoot down the rudy
you know script on this show and the guys still
talk about it. And I think that's a part of
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this as well. And why for everything that you said
at the outset of why it still affects us right
now is because the story was so good. I don't
know if it's you know, too to be true, but
we don't want it to not be.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That story is the Kurt Warner the only story that's
too good to be true that really is.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean that one's pretty amazing if you really
kind of get down to it, like he he goes
from Arena League and then playing in Europe and really
the third string quarterback with the Rams store the grocery
store thing, yea, to the greatest show on turf and
then oh yeah, by the way, the other element to
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it was, you know, he with the bad was a
finger or hand. When he was in New York, they
couldn't play him like he went, this was my thing.
Kurt's a friend and he's an awesome, awesome dude. And
by the way, like I don't know how many people
know this, He's got a gym at his house and
so he always has people over to play like four
on four. It's like it's kind of like three quarter
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court length. And you always want to be on Kurts
team because he does make every call and makes a
lot of shots, but he get in the calls anyway.
But like his Hall of Fame resume was hard because
he had like four years where he's arguably or inarguably
the best quarterback in the league, but he had like
five years where he couldn't really play, like he was
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bad and he was a backup, like within the context
of his that's not even taking into account how he
made the league, et cetera. But he The thing about
Kurt is like he made it from nowhere, then lost it,
then was a backup, then made it again in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Like it's crazy, and.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's one of those like there's no way it's too
good to be true, and it's not, but the Ore
story does appear to be, at least on some level,
too good to be true.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I just wish we could kind of like you guys
ever seen Mystery Science Theater three.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Thousand, long time ago?
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But yes, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Mystery to Jaseu, he didn't say anything, so you've never
said no.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I remember. It's kind of and then cheap seats came
after it kind of ripped.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
It off right right, and it's basically, you know, you
had the idea, was these this guy and a robot
and was there like.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
A dog or something I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
But they're stuck in space and so they have to
watch these terrible B movies because the only thing that
they have, and they just make smart ass comments the
entire time, right or I just wish we had like
Michael Orr while that movie's being played and say.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Like, well, here's what really happened. Yeah, that's not really
how it took place. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
That may be a bummer too, So I'm not sure. Okay,
So Dan's done a one to eighty. Where are you
Jay Stu on this story? Who do you believe? As
of Thursday, August seventeenth.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
It sure doesn't look good for Michael Orr's side of
the story. And I think when the receipts come out,
I think the family's probably going to come out looking
like they didn't do a whole lot wrong here. I
think that's sad.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Though.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Rich Ornberger was in for you earlier in the week
and he had said something along the lines of this
is sad regardless because if this is a pure money play,
that means Michael we went through all of his money,
which is sad because you can't spend that money. That
that means you've got bad advice, financial advice, and uh,
he wouldn't be the first nor the last, but the
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whole thing just stinks. I think I was at that
phase on Monday, and I'm still at that phase. Uh,
but yeah, that's that's kind of where it's. It's it
seems to be leaning towards the family. But I think
we'll we'll reserve all final opinions.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Uh, John Ramos, how about you?
Speaker 8 (15:28):
I just think I agree with Jason. I just think
it's sad. It's sad. That's something that was so powerful,
you know, winning Sandra Bullock an Oscar and just kind
of being a good, feel good story has come to
this level right now?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Is it sad? Or is it too bad? Is there
our levels?
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (15:47):
Right, like like that's too bad. I'll go but you're
gonna go I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that's too bad,
that's too bad, It's sad.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I really thought Dan would was doing the lyrics of
an eighties.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Pop band to say, remember when Michael Orr sat down
and said, take a look at me now after you.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Phil Colls is one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
He went bald early, so you never he never really
aged even when he aged right.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
It's one of.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Those I was. I took one of my daughters to
barbecue joint yesterday and we walked by a guy and
I said, like, Grace, did you see that guy's hair?
She's like, yeah, what about it? I go like, did
you look a little closer? So she's like no, Wow.
I was like, dude, that's the worst rug I've ever seen.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
But he was a young guy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
He's a good looking dude, but you know, I mean,
he had like the the it looked like the whole
top was gone. And then he had some real hair
on the side. And I don't know if it was
a chia pet like planted in there, or if it
was just one of those sticker things going on. I
don't know, but it looked bad. She's just like one
of those you want to grab him go, like do
you what are you doing? Like it's okay, people are
bald today.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
I've always had a very good inkling for calling out
or knowing someone with a two pay since I was young.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
In my younger days, I agree, my my gadar, my
gaydar is bad. My gadar is bad, but my radar
on hair pieces is good.
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
I don't know if you guys said like, I don't.
I think some people have both, some people have neither.
That's where mine breaks down. But anyway, I just wanted to,
like you want to grab them go like, look, dude,
you're a young guy, you're in good shape, you got
a good looking girlfriend. Like, just shave it right, and
then eventually you'll never age, Like, yeah, you're bald at
like I don't know, he probably looked like he was thirty,
(17:37):
Like all right, you're bald at thirty. It sucks really, really,
really hard, okay, but like you know, it's a good
hat collection you can go through and balt's kind of
beautiful and cool and kind of masculine, and you know,
by the time you get to fifty, you won't look
fifty you'll still look forty right.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
That's the Phil Collins thing.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
John, Is this superpower only with two pays or does
it work with wigs as well? It works with everything,
all right, yeah, but it works with what else? Wiggs?
Speaker 11 (18:03):
I don't know if it was just male specific extensions
like that, extensions wigs.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yep, I'm good at all of that stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
We need to have. This needs to be part of
the next John Ramo Show.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
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Speaker 4 (18:48):
Look major league go ahead. I'm sorry, Dan, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Look, the the idea of of having an having an umpire,
or taking away the umpire and have having it basically
called by computer or a robot or you know this,
the idea of not having a living human being calling
balls and strikes is getting We're getting it feels like
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closer and closer. We got AI technology, which anybody who
has kids knows kids use it to write their papers.
I'm just fascinating on what actual baseball players think of
the idea of having some form of robot umpire.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Let's welcome in Matt Holliday.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Of course, the seven time All Star, four times Silver Slugger,
should be noted that his son Jackson, is the number
one prospect in Minor League Baseball for being the number
one pick of the Orioles in the minor league draft,
in the in the in the amateur draft. Going back
to last year, Matt, good morning to you. Where are
you on umpires as opposed to the robots in New
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York calling balls and strikes?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Well, I think that I think, you know, Triple A
has the challenge where they can challenge and I don't
know what the exact rules are how often you can
challenge it, but I at least like the idea that
a hitter gets the opportunity to challenge the balls and strikes.
They did it at the Futures Game. It was the
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first time I'd seen it in person, and it was
a pretty cool deal where you know that the hitter
steps out challenges and then they go to the to
the jumbo tron in the outfield and it shows this
technology where almost like kind of like tennis, where it
shows the ball coming through and then you know it's
a ball instead of a strike or strike instead of
a ball, and then you know that's the result. So
(20:44):
I don't know if I'm in favor of completely going
to you know, sort of this just umpires standing there
relaying the information they're getting from the technology. But I
think that the hitter having an opportunity to challenge one
pitch that bad or I don't know exactly you know,
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how much or what what the rules should be, but
I do like the idea in a big spot, if
if the umpire gets carried away with the emotions of
the game, or you know, you have an umpire that's
that's struggling that night and not not doing a very
good job, and it's it's a big call and it's
a you know, it's a strike three or a pitch
that's a big point in the game that's going to
impact the outcome of the game, that you have a
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chance to go to a to a you know, and
what however you want to phrase it, a computer or
something that that's totally doesn't have, you know, take the
emotion out of the game, and it just kind of
is what it is. So I'm you know, as a hitter,
I like to be right, particularly in and out. I
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understand that some of the technology might cause you know,
some high strikes or some low strikes, maybe some breaking
balls that end up almost in the dirt, catching the
bottom half of the strike zone, But I'm okay with
that if you get to the in and out right,
those are the ones it's really hard as a hitter
to cover off the plate both the way and inside
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at times that the umpires give. So I am in
favor of some sort of technology.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, I guess that the fear is that it turns
into football where you know, football replay, as good as
it is and as many games as it's changed and
bad calls as it's saved, we have reached the point where,
even in a game winning touchdown we got it, we
can't just like celebrate organically, hold on, we got to
wait to see if that one right. It takes away
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some of the organic nature to it, and you don't
want that in addition to which like, I don't know,
and again I know, I obviously didn't play it nearly
at your level, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Kind of the the cool thing.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
About baseball has always been that no park is uniform, right,
so everybody has their own park roles, and no umpires
strike zone is uniform. So this guy likes the low ones.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I kind of think that's the beauty to it is
the human factor, and I fear that we're taking the
human factor out of it.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Yeah, I see that, but I mean then there's the
the idea of hitting ninety seven mile on our fastballs
with it the umpire like like the outside off the
outside corner. That's great that he likes that, that doesn't
make it, you know, easy to hit or even possible
to hit. So I don't know. I think that if
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we have the technology to get the balls and strikes right,
I don't see why we don't use it. So, you know, I,
like I said, I I'm okay with with the current situation,
But as a hitter, there's nothing more maddening than having
counts changed in the pitcher's favor because you know, you know,
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when we have technology when when you get the from
a it goes from a you know, sort of a
two to one count I'm in a good spot to
a one two count because he this is a pitch
that's clearly off the plate. So I have respect for umpires.
It's a hard job, and I think that all in
all they do a really really good job. But if
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we get to the point where it's quick to have
you know, very very accurate balls and strikes, and then
I'm I'm good with getting it right over tradition, you know,
in this in this situation, because it doesn't take long.
Unlike replay in the NFL, where you have to run
over and get under the hood and somebody you know,
could take up to a few minutes to check it.
This is this is instant notification of of what's you know,
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a ball or strike.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
How do you fix the Yankees?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Well, you know, I think at this point they've gotten
a little bit old. They're they're hurt, they're banged up.
A lot of their pitchers are hurt, guys that they've
counted on, uh to to to really carry.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
The rotation has been has been kind of a mess.
Uh So you know sometimes uh, you know, obviously having
a ton of money and being able to go out
in the free agent market and buy essentially, you know,
whoever you want. Is is a great thing, but you
have to have you have to have an influx of
young talent, uh, you know, coming and being able to
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supplement free agents as opposed to rely on free agents.
So uh, you know, I think sometimes you just can't
help injuries, you know, and and sometimes a guy like
you know, Stan who uh you know, at one point
was a you know, an elite player and a great athlete.
You know, injuries have taken his toll on him. And uh,
you know, Rizzo's has a hit from power this year,
(25:41):
and and he's had some injuries. And so I think
you have to be careful of of having too many
older players that that are uh somewhat injury prone or
or starting ahead, and that's you know, sort of down
part of their career where and then it really tests
your depth of how good your young your young players are,
(26:01):
and they just haven't performed maybe to what they thought.
So I think it's been kind of a culmination of
a lot of things going wrong. Uh this year. Well,
you know, there's several teams have had that you know,
you had the Mets and the Padres and the Cardinals
all also you know, coming into this season, we all
would have guessed with you know, with the new with
(26:23):
an extra playoff spot, that all those teams that have
been probably right in the middle of of playoffs, but
you know, it looks like none of them will be
in So, uh, it's Baseball can be weird like that,
where you know, a couple of key injuries and you know,
a couple of guys have down years and next thing
you know, uh, you know it could look really bad.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, are they built for the past era? Right?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
How much of it is injuries, but how much of
it is like Look, baseball has dramatically changed you and
I talked about this in person, talked a bit on
about on my show, which is now athleticism now priority
on the base pass.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
It's a priority.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You have to be able to cover your position, can't
hide you with the shift, right, and uh, it feels
like it's it's a different sport, and so the constructive
teams has to be different and these teams are just
slow to adjust to everything that's changed within this season.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean that's definitely a good point. I do
think that sometimes you're you're you're sort of tied to
a contracts, right, so you're you're tied into some some
some contracts that that that you've already signed, you know,
sort of pre shift and pre you know, looking at
the game a little bit differently with with athleticism. But
(27:41):
I do think you're right in that it is it
is a more athletic game. I think, you know, the
ability to manufacture runs and you know, to do things
a little different. It's coming back around, uh, you know
to where we had gotten to the point where it
was sort of everybody just wanted, you know, home run
hitters and guys that you know play play that. And
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now it looks like.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Do we lose them or is that me? Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
With with with with us, Matt, We'll get them back
in one second. This is the Dan Patrick Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Matt Holliday's our guest, seven time
All Star, four time Silver Sluckers, were discussing things in
Major League Baseball. I do if there he is there is,
let me let me, let me let me have with
us the Dodgers and one ten to row. Now I
think we can all say, hey, the Braves are the
(28:33):
best team in baseball and be okay with that. Uh,
this was it felt like like a transition year for
the Dodgers. Say, they really didn't do much. Fix the bullpen,
fix the rotation. Everybody thinks they're going after show hey
and then going to fix things next year. But now
you're sitting at seventy three and forty six winners of
ten games in a row. How much of this is
real and how much of this is just a heater?
Speaker 6 (28:57):
I think they're good. I mean, I think they're you know,
they still have a lot of great players. I mean,
they have two of the best players in the league
with Rookie Betts and and Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
They still have Clayton Kershaw, who when the healthy is
is pitching like he you know, peak Clayton Kershaw. They
still have They've They've done an incredible job despite picking
uh later in the first round, uh, you know, and
then not having a ton of high drafts, of of
developing a lot of really good young players and a
lot of impact pitchers.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So when they go to their farm system, it seems
like the guys they bring up uh come up with
and have an impact and so they have some they
have some sneaky, sneaky good players, and like Will Smith
and and some of these guys that you know out
on the West coast maybe don't get the love that
they would if they played on the East coast. So
I think they they they just continue to be good
(29:49):
and roll out uh you know, vision winning seasons and
and so uh, I think they're good. I mean, I
just they have experienced a lot of their their uh
their their players there, they're veteran players, have won the
World Series, and I just think you know, they're they're
going to be tough out and and I think that
they play well at home. It's a very tough place
(30:12):
to go in and win, a Dodger Stadium. So I
definitely think that that they might be flying under the
radar a little bit with with the way as good
as the Braves have played, but I think the Dodgers
are and they are going to be right in the
middle of the National League when it comes to the
off time.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Awesome stuff. Now, thanks so much for joining us, dude,
have a great day. Good looking at whatever pickleball your
game you're playing in today, and we'll talk soon. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 4 (31:03):
I don't know how many people know this.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Matt Holliday was supposed to go to Oklahoma State, who's
the number one ranked quarterback in the country. His dad
at the time was the head baseball coach, his brother
was a baseball player, and now his brother's the baseball
coach at Oklahoma State, and all things revolving around Oaklham
State will bring in Brett McMurphy, who's also an Oklahoma
State alone but most known for being a college football
insider with the Action Network and Brett I think a
(31:25):
lot of people continue to react to the downfall of
the PAC twelve, not because of what has happened over
the past couple weeks, but because of what could have
happened over the past couple years. Why didn't the PAC
twelve go for the juggler and kill the Big twelve
two years ago, which ultimately has ended up killing the
(31:47):
PAC twelve Today.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
On your show for the next hour, and I can
go through it by blow. Now I'm kidding, because basically
their presidents felt like they were above the Big twelve
schools because of academics and other factors. They had no
interest in adding the schools from the Big twelve that
were left over Bob bowlsby the former commissioner went to
the PAC twelve and said, hey, let's merge. You can
(32:13):
take our eight schools. You'll have a PAC twenty And
basically the PAC twelve said no. And then Brett Yormark
comes in as a new commissioner. He goes early with
TV deal, he gets that done and then you know,
great story yesterday by Brady McColl of the La Times,
you know, laid out some details behind the scenes of
what happened over the past couple of years. And basically
(32:36):
there were two or three main sticking points on what
doomed the PAC twelve. Obviously it's not that simple, but
one is George Kleofkov put a big emphasis on trying
to get the California Board of Regents to block UCLA's
move to the Big Ten, which I guess technically they could,
but realistically, you know, nobody in that position is going
(32:58):
to keep backing university from moving to another conference. But
still he put a lot of effort in that, tried
to work that behind the scenes that obviously did not work,
and then ultimately Brady reported that, you know, ESPN came
to the Fact twelve with an offer of about thirty
million per school, which is what the Big Twelve ultimately got.
(33:19):
But one of the presidents had a quote professor on
his campus that ran the Meteorites value info for them
and said, no, we're worth fifty million per school instead
of thirty. So they turned down the thirty told ESPN
they want fifty million per school. ESPN said no, they
never got a deal. And now that the conference has
(33:42):
blown up in Oregon State, Washington State, Callen Stanford are
trying to, you know, scrape something together.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Here along the heels of that. I also heard and
Braddy can't remember if it was from the same article
or not, but a message that was the conference wasn't
too hurt that Colorado was leaving and I felt they
had a suitable replacement. Is that true? Was it San
Diego State? Was Was there a backup plan that they
could have navigated that Colorado departure that maybe they felt
(34:10):
didn't have an effect on the conference?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (34:13):
I mean, look, you know, after the fact, it's easy
for people to say, oh, yeah, we didn't want that
school in our conference. And yeah, Colorado has not had
much if any success since they got the Pac twelve
except for one season. But to get San Diego State
in it's not that easy. Santego State, depending on when
they left the Mountain West, would at to pay either
(34:33):
seventeen or thirty four million dollars. So yeah, you could
say they could slide in there. Guys. It's just like
when you know, you know, you know how this works
fan base. You're after a recruit and you think you've
got this recruit locked in, and then at the last
minute he signs with your rival school, and then you're like, oh, yeah,
we didn't want him anyway, he's not that good. That's
(34:55):
how it is with this thing with Colorado. They loved
Colorado until Colorado wasn't a and then suddenly it's like, well,
they're not that good anyway. You can say what you
want about Colorado. You know, you're in the Denver market.
That's pretty significant. Dion brings a lot of attention to that,
and you're losing a Power five program that brings in
Power five media, RTEs revenue, and it's it's easy to
(35:18):
kind of dismiss them, but it's kind of comical. It's
like a fan base just find losing a recruit to
another school.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
It's interesting because this is a transition year, right, Like
the Big twelve brings in new schools but still has
Oklahoma and Texas. The Pac twelve obviously has changed dramatically,
will change dramatically this year. How does all that affect
the actual season?
Speaker 10 (35:45):
You think, Well, I know from talking to the folks
at the different schools that you know, the schools leaving SCUCLA,
Texas and Oklahoma, you know they're I think half joking
but half serious, Like, you know, how are we going
to get treated by the officials? They know what the
(36:06):
fan base is going to be Like, I mean, Doug,
I'm I'm sure you're going to be for the final,
going to be in Steelwater for the final bedlam? I
mean it's it's going to be crazy fan wise, but
you know there is some you know, there is some concern,
you know when you talk to these schools privately about
how are they going to be treated on the field.
You know, I don't think there's any vendetta out there
(36:28):
to screw the schools that are leaving that this is
their last year in the league. But again that's human nature,
and I guarantee the first bad call against one of
these schools, you know, you can see the instant outrage
on Twitter, like the Big Twelves, you know, they're paying
back go you in Texas right now? Are the Pac
Twelves putting it to USC and UCLA, Oregon and Washington.
(36:51):
Whether that's legit or not, I don't know. I think
the officials are above that, you know, the ones that
do these games. But again that's going to to be
in the back of the mind of everybody if you
see some calls go against these schools that are that
are getting out this year.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Is it going to be a yearly tradition now and
wondering on who's going to stay in the ACC? I mean,
like it it felt like that's what this week felt like. Hey,
the unlike any they're going to stick around for twenty
twenty four. How long can this go on in that conference?
Speaker 10 (37:20):
Yeah, that's a that's a great point, and yeah it is.
You know, look, Florida State has been very vocal, their president,
their border regents has said, you know, look, it's not
if we're going to leave, it's win and how And
you know, the deadline to leave before the twenty fourth
season was a couple of days ago, August fifteenth. But yeah,
(37:41):
so now the clock starts on next August fifteenth. And
I think at some point Florida State, Clemson, possibly North Carolina,
maybe Miami, Virginia. I mean the list goes on and on,
will get try to get out of the ACC. I mean, look,
you can pay the exit fee, but then you got
to negotiate you know, basically ten to twelve years of
(38:03):
TV revenue that you would owe the league or the
grant arrives. But yeah, I think this is going to
this is going to continue. And that's why, you know,
going back, Doug, when you asked about the PAC twelve,
the future of the PAC twelve was never dependent on
the PAC twelve. It was always on the Big ten.
When did the Big ten decide they would add USC, UCLA, Oregon,
(38:27):
and Washington. And that's what made the PAC twelve and
such precarious position. And it's the same with the ACC.
They're going to remain only as long as those schools
don't leave, because then they'll go to the to the
Big ten and the ACC. As a Big twelve guy,
the reason that Big twelve staying together is, look, nobody
(38:48):
else wants this. I mean, the SEC got who they wanted.
The Big ten doesn't want anybody, so there's nowhere for
these guys to go. So because of that, the Big
twelve is kind of actually risen above everything in the ACC,
kind of waiting there. And you're right, this is going
to be an annual occurrence. We should celebrate it like Festivus.
But until these guys actually announced that they're leaving, this
(39:10):
is going to be continually on the back of everybody's mind.
Is okay, yeah, you're together now, but how long until
you know schools A through Z say they're going to
leave the conference.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
We're a couple weeks away from CN Dion's first first squad, right,
he's gonna get a chance to on Fox. They'll take
on TCU and There's a lot more to this game
than just a future Big you know, a future Big
twelve opponent taking on TCU who went to the National
Championship Game last year. There's you know, bragging rights within
the DFW, which is where you know, so many of
(39:44):
these players come from. What do we guess this first
year of Colorada Buffalo is going to look like?
Speaker 10 (39:52):
I think the over under for the win to was
three and a half, and the guys that do are
analytics at Action Network, I think are rejecting them at
two or three wins. You know, they're not going to
get to a Bowl game. You know, maybe somewhere down
the road they will in the next few years. I
think I agree with those projections. I think they're really
(40:13):
going to struggle. They've obviously had a ton of turnover.
You know, Dion did great at Jackson State. It's not
to say you won't do great at Colorado. But I
just think this first year depth is going to be
a real concern. Obviously that the transfer portal issues have
been well documented, and ultimately I think there I saw
saw something the other day they mainly have like five
(40:36):
defensive linemen. If that's accurate, I don't You're not going
to get through an entire season with five defensive linemen.
And if you are, your defense is not going to
stop many people. I think they'll put up some points.
I think they'll be you know, explosive on offense. I
just think the defense isn't going to be able to
stop anybody. And the schedule, again, they're projected only be
(40:57):
favored in two of their two of the twelve games,
so unless they pull off a handful of upsets, they're
probably looking at you somewhere between two and four wins,
which the sports will feed the narrative of the PAC
twelve broll. We didn't really need him.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, well, and then it'll be interesting to see what he's
able to do in recruiting and in building in short order.
It's hard to flip in the year, but two years
is kind of the expectation. Brett McMurphy check him out
in the Action Network Fall on social media.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Brett, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 10 (41:25):
Thanks guys, appreciate it all.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Right, coming up next to The Dan Patrick Show, we'll
play the Price is Right with sports Memorabilia.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 3 (41:43):
Doug Gottlieb, Dan Byron for Dan the Danet's Dan Patrick Show,
Fox Sports Radio, and just as we did last hour
and we do every day on the Doug Gottlieb Show
afternoon's three to five Eastern on Fox Sports Trade of
the iHeartRadio app, we play a game. So this game
is we continue with the price is right of sports memorabilia?
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
Yes, that's a decent way to put it. Yeah, I
was gonna say it's a bit of an auction, but
we just want to get the closest price. This on
the heels of a Mickey Mantle game More nineteen fifty
eight jersey that is right now in the auction block
and the highest bid as we speak is three point
two million dollars. So I just went to eBay and
looked at different sports memorabilia and wanted to see how
close you guys could get to guessing the correct price
(42:28):
for these items. Doug, you're up two to one to zero,
so you have two correct. John Ramos has won a
Jason Stewart as zero. Jason, we're going to start the
bidding with you on this one. You know, Doug made
some news this week when he interviewed Joey Bosa and
Bosa had no interest in watching the Quarterback Netflix show
that featured Patrick Mahomes. How much on eBay could we
(42:48):
get for a twenty twenty Pinini playbook? Patrick Mahomes, Joey
Bosa face to face relic autograph seven out of ten
trading card? How much would you pay or do you
think that this card is worth? Right now on eBay
autographed by Mahomes and Bosa face to face. There's only
(43:12):
ten of them.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Wow, I really need to tap into my nerd mode here.
I'm gonna say one hundred and seventeen dollars.
Speaker 11 (43:20):
One hundred and seventeen dollars, John Ramos, I'll say five
hundred dollars, five hundred, Doug, five hundred dollars one. I'm
going to go five oh one.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Doug knows how to play the game, and you'd get
quite the discount. Right now, it's going for two thousand,
five hundred, ninety nine dollars and ninety nine cents.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
The thing that threw me off, I mean, obviously that's
a lot of money, but also seven out of ten.
Isn't that the rating of the condition.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Uh No, it's the it's funny that you mentioned that
there's only ten of those, so that that's the actually
seventy correct.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
I think we've proven I am awful at this. I'm
an awful memorabilia.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
No, I think I actually think you like I wouldn't
you're thinking to yourself like, why would I spend more
than one hundred bucks on this thing?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
And somebody others like I want Thrausman how much? How
much you say it was?
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Two thousand dollars, two thousand, five hundred ninety nine dollars
and ninety nine cents, just shy of twenty six hundred bucks?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
What am I like to know what the reserve is
on that one? I don't think they're getting.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
What about an autographed full sized helmet of the New
York Jets by Aaron Rodgers that also says J E
ts on it? Now there are multiple of these. A
fanatics helmet, full sized autographed Jets helmet signed by Aaron Rodgers,
John Ramos, your guest on the price of this.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna go off if that card was two grand,
this is a listen.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah right, I'm gonna go high. I'm gonna go seven
thousand dollars, seven thousand.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Okay, there's multiple do we know how many there are?
Speaker 5 (44:58):
No, it's just one helmet, just a rag full sized helmet.
That's all it is. Jet's helmet autographed by Aaron Rodgers
minute two minutes.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
I'm gonna go five hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Five hundred Jason Stewart.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
That sounds about right, but I'm gonna go five oh one.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
Oh man. Jason Stewart is on the board. Twelve one
hundred and ninety nine dollars. Yes, just shy of thirteen
hundred dollars. John Ramos is seven thousand dollars for that,
just a bit of an overpay. But Jason Stewart is
on the board. Doug right now with a two item lead.
As we go into our final item of this round, Doug,
(45:34):
we start the bidding with you. How much would you
play pay for an autographed Doug Gottlieb NBA con lanyard
and an NBA risk band. So you must have signed
an autographed at autograph at na con really and someone
is now selling it on eBay? How much would you
pay for? Plus you got a wrist band? You get
(45:56):
an NBA risk band with it? How much would you
pay for this?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
You gotta be kidding that doesn't he You also wrote.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
FSR on it as well, Like instead of forty four,
you wrote FSR. How much would you pay for this?
Speaker 4 (46:11):
Ten dollars?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Ten dollars? Jason Stewart, this is a joke. That's serious.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
I'm gonna go seven ninety nine.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
Seven ninety nine, John Ramos ten oh one? It is
John Ramos is because right now it could be yours
for twenty nine ninety nine. Yeah, good job, Doug.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Yes, I know the value is actually it's the first
ever NBA con that's the real value. Had I not
signed it, it would probably be worth more.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
All right, John's within two. But you can get that
Doug lanyard for just thirty bucks.
Speaker 7 (46:42):
You're telling me that Doug put in a bid for
twenty nine ninety nine. He's oh a bit.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
It would already been mine, right I listed for sale.
That's what I did to increase the value.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Come next to the Dad Patrick Show.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
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