August 22, 2023 • 40 mins
Doug and Geoff filling in for Dan, as they talk about the new cast of talent that will be joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed. Former NFL Player and FSR contributor Kerry Rhodes joins the guys to talk about the Jets, Aaron Rodgers, and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Doug and Geoff discuss the new college football season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
What up? Good morning to you. Doug Gottlieb Jeff Schwartz
in for Dan, the Dan Ets Dan Patrick Show, Fox
Sports Radio, iHeartRadio App. And we did get a chance
to see a very very entertaining, very entertaining Monday night
(00:46):
football game in which the Washington Commanders finally ended the
streak of consecutive preseason games won by the Baltimore Ravens.
It did become a thing. It was a good drinking
game last night, if you're into that sort of thing.
And of course was the celebration of the new ownership
of the Washington Commanders. There's also an announcement of the
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new Undisputed I want to get into. And then there's
college football on the horizon. You mind if we start
with a new undisputed I know we want to talk
college football.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, let's do it?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Okay? So was it officially announced today, Jay stew Er?
Is that just leaked by whoever covers TV and radio?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
It was my official. Michael Irvin will be joining the show.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Okay, So the playmaker leaves ESPN and is he what's
his status with the NFL network? Because that was like
put on pause because of the accusations of the Super Bowl.
But then there's video where it doesn't appear to be
any sort of substance to the accusation. Whatever. Anyway, Michael
Irvin coming over to be on Undisputed. They're gonna have
Michael Irvin, Richard Sherman, Lil Wayne, and Keshawn Johnson. Yes,
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and then Rachel Nichols. Is she going to be the host?
Is that the idea? She's gonna be there every day?
So there was some question but whether or not she
be a debater, she'll be somehow involved. I'm just again,
I know we all it's there's a little bit of
guilty pleasure to it, right, and a little bit of
hate liking to it. People like to say I don't
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watch that stuff like, but she'd clearly do because they
make a lot of money, So somebody's watching. What do
you think.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
So I don't sit down at the TV and watch
all these shows. I just don't have the opportunity. But
on the background, but the social media clips obviously go
very viral, and I think the cast of crew they
have will end up having that effect where the things
that are being said by those individuals of big personalities.
That's what it's about, right, big personalities. It'll go viral.
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The clips of them arguing will end up, you know,
having people react and having people acknowledge what they say.
And that's the most important part of these shows and
the little way part of it. I'm kind of excited
to see him debate sports and I know him. Bay,
Let's have a friendship. I think the cast is good.
It would be entertaining to watch.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I actually think it's pretty good too. I'm not like
a I was. I guess the best way to say
it is, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
that I love watching Skip on TV or love watching
steven A on TV. But you know you have to
And I actually don't think you need the chemistry thing, right,
So I go, you need chemistry, like now you're kind
of debating. You don't need to have super great chemistry.
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But yeah, I kind of think it's more impressive, at
least on paper than what the ESPNS throwing out there.
I like Marcus Smear is a great deal. I think
he's really good on TV. He's smart, form football player whatever,
But like, I don't know, Michael Irvan's got a high
entertainment factor and uh yeah, I they they recovered quite well.
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And it's interesting because Shannon's now going over to First Take, right?
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Ye? Swap?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right? So, but Shannon only gets a day on First Take,
whereas he was every day on Undisputed.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I think the hardest part about doing those shows is
just the kind of once a week nature. If you're
one of the panelists, like I think, it's hard to
get in a rhythm sometimes with the person you're working with.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Also, hard to get up that early. That hard to
get up that early once a week. It's easier to
get up that early if it's a routine.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Yes, you know, and so finding that rhythm might be
tough early on to figure out kind of the roles
that everyone's gonna take. And because you know, obviously you
if a lot of topics need multiple days of debate,
and you hear what someone says and you come back
and you counter them, which obviously won't be the case here,
but I think it's a good lineup.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'm gonna I'll tell you this.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I will tune in out of out of sort of
kind of curiosity early on at least to see how
all these pairings worked out together.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I mean, I to me, the way it works
in my brain is the getting up early thing. Like
if you ever filled in on a morning show like
this one, you know, so when you're in Los Angeles,
this is a six am show, you're up at four fifteen,
four thirty, which is fine if like that's your routine,
it's not crazy. But if your routine is, hey, I
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get up at six every day or six thirty or
seven every day, and then all of a sudden on
a one like if it's a week, it's way better
than if it's a one off, a one off throw
as you're a whole, because then all of a sudden,
you get to tonight and you're tired, like eight o'clock,
and then you wake up again the next day at
four thirty, like now I have nothing to do, And
I love that. Kobe Bryant used to work out at
four in the morning. But I'm not Kobe Bryant and
I'm not playing for the Lakers right now.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I Am not an early morning workout guy. I don't
understand people that do that. But your your points. This
is the only point about living on the East Coast
that actually is helpful for me as the morning radio
because I'm up early. At six am is a decent
time to wake up. I'm not you know, it doesn't
ruin my day. But yeah, the early morning workout stuff,
I don't. I never understood that.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
D I gotta tell you, I actually like the morning
workout thing. It's it's one of those you get it done,
You're like, Okay, the rest of the day is downhill.
It's easy, but it is a it is a hard
thing to do, I will I One thing you were
kind of starting to touch in on was I think
East Coast is way better for sports than West Coast is.
And I live on the West Coast and.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Grew up on the watching sports.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yes, especially when you have kids, your kids age, because
that you know, you're a Pac twelve guy, right that
Pac twelve. After dark, everybody's asleep. You get to go
down in your basement or downstairs and watch and nobody's
bothering you, or the Sunday night football game, like they're done,
nobody's bothering you. I love that part.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Except the hardest part for me with my children is,
you know, there's seven and nine.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
They go to bed at eight, eight thirty.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
I can't really watch a lot of sports during the
week with them, and that's kind of like the bummer
because you know, games don't start. Last night and start
t to eight o'clock, we watched a quarter and my
son went to sleep. So other than that, yeah, I
mean I do like the quiet house at like nine
o'clock at night, my wife's already sleeping after a day
at work and I'm just watching football by myself. That
is definitely part of it. But again, like I think
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it's hard to be a sports fan if you're a
child on the East Coast because the games, especially if
you're a fan of West Coast teams, the games just
you can't watch them. They're just they're like they're just
too late to watch them.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, look, I think I will tell you this. I
think what you're going to find and maybe your kids
are different, but kids don't watch games nearly as much
as we did.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
They watched clip parts, they watch TikTok, they watched Instagram,
they watch highlights. It's all in a little short, little
little bursts, and then they think they know everything because
they're like, yeah, that's not actually real, that's not actually
how what took place. But they don't, you know, they
just don't. And we feed them more and more short
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clips and they eat it up like it's soupy. They
like sports, but the idea of getting them and there
are some and I'm sure we're going to be besieged
by tweets. And my son we watch every game like
that's great. I'm telling you. In the highest percentage of
young people watch less and less games instead watching in
clips because they think that's a lot easier than they
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can be on their phone the rest of the time,
or when they're watching something, they watch with the phone
in their hands. And they're like, look like my daughter,
she's seventeen, you know, we Binge watched shows before her
favorite shows, Lucifer. I remember watching Lucifer with her and
I'm like, you're not even watching the show. She's like, yeah,
yeam if you're on their phone, like yeah, I get
you both.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
So I think I never noticed to the people at
an event that watch the event through their cell phone.
If you're going to record something, that's great, but like
move your head away from the cell phone to look
at live action. Plus, how often does anyone actually go
back and watch the video they recorded of sport?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Have you done that? I have recorded every now and then.
I don't go back and watch any of them.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
None of it. None of it. None of it. That's
the worst. That's like the who was it who was
sitting in front row?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Well, I was just gonna say that. My one engagement
with Jeff Schwartz on Twitter, and I hope we have
many in the future, was the day after Lebron hit
that shot and there was that still shot of everybody
on their camera except for one old dude in the front,
and I just pointed out, you know, thank God for
this one old guy for not needing a phone, and
Jeff Schwartz is like, dude, that's Phil Knight.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Phil Knight till night. There was another instance of that
recently where somebody else. There was another recent thing I
can't remember what it is, where like everybody but one
person had their cell phone out. I just what was
the purpose of going to the game, Like, what was
the purpose of going of literally what was the purpose
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if you want to take the selfie that you're at
the game when you get there, so that you have
the proof because everybody says I was at that game,
and you're like approve it, like I hear, here's it.
Look look at my Instagram. But the actual recording of
the thing instead of watching with your eyes, I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Look, I think I have zero. I think I took
zero videos at the Chiefs nine or Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
The entire day. I was like, I'm not gonna watch
it with my eyes. What am I to taking a
video for? It's like, I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
I just don't get, Like I don't get. Don't paying
two thousand dollars ago sit Taylor Swift and then watch
the concert through your phone.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
The entire time.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well that one people like FaceTime. Other people as like
not even a humble brag like yeah, I'm here, and
then they play. They just they want to show where
they are, that they were again, same thing, they want
to show that they were there. The only times I've
ever recorded at a concert and is when I have
friends who couldn't make the concert and you're like, hey,
just here's or friends who are like, yeah, I don't
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know if I want to go, you know, I don't
know I want to go. I'm like, all right, here's
what looks like here's a gym, miss buddy.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
You know that's fair that since but you're not You're
not up with your phone for three and a half
hours the entire concert.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
That you're at.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, not in any way.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
No, what would you pay to go see Taylor Swipts
with one of your children.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I can tell you what my brother paid, but I
don't want to divulge because he but we we we
were hoping for a deal and we end up getting
He got good seats, but they were it was a lot. Yeah,
you know, look, I've I've only paid. So my I
have a daughter who's a rocker. Right by the way,
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it's the Dan Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio, Jeff Schwartz,
Doug Gottlieben for Dan and the Danets. They'll be live
in Ireland on Thursday, Thursday, Friday, and I think Saturday
as well, to be doing some content getting ready for
that Notre Dame Navy game. So my daughter's a rocker.
So the only times I've I don't like, I don't
really enjoy paying for tickets. I mean, it's part of
one of the perks for working for iHeart is figure
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out a way to not pay for tickets. But I have,
and the only times I've paid is for my kids.
So we've I have one who she's a metal guitar bassist,
and so we've been to Primus, Let's Claypool is Amazing,
to Google Dolls, to Iron Maiden, to I mean, like
a ton of different types of shows because of the
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base those ones I'll pay a couple hundred bucks for.
I have a her sister is she just likes the
big shows and likes country. So they went out and
did Stage Coach and then I took her to Morgan
Wallen and I ended up picking up the tab for
a couple of her friends and just so she could
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have like like look she it was. It was like
a surprise and like a treat or whatever. And I
think those were a couple hundred bucks. But I'm not
paying a grand for a kid to go watch a concert,
Like come on.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Man, yeah I'm not either. That's what happened.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
No, no, not so much. But as used as I
think people saw it up. Bill Belichick's seen himself as
a as a swiftie because he went to the concert
and then talked about the concert at a at a
press conference going back two days ago, speaking of that
Notre Dame and Navy game. It's interesting because so much
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of the talk of college football is about out the
conferences expanding or the Pac twelve going away, more so
than the actual product. Like I would challenge people to
be honest with themselves and with the exception of maybe
Caleb Williams, can you name another college football player who
doesn't play for your school?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Can I do that?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I know you can because you do PAC twelve radio,
right Like I know I'm not saying you, I'm saying
most people.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I would say no, because right now, the quarterback at
Georgia's unknown. There's no quarterback of Alabama announced, there's no
quarterback at Olio State announced. That's part of the problem.
There's not like these outside of Drake Man Caleb Williams,
a lot of major programs don't have household quarterbacks right now.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
No, And because everybody changes places every year, or seemingly
does with the transfer portal, you don't know you need
name tags on guys. Yes, absolutely, And I actually think
we're in an era and look, I'm not. I'm done
fighting what I knew would be a reality, which is
it's not name, image and likeness. It's buying players, right,
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That's all it is. Because if they had name, image
and likeness, well then you'd know who the hell they were, right,
you would have some sense of who they are. And
you don't because they're ass But you're still gonna watch.
You're gonna watch Colorado play TCU a week from now
on Fox, knowing I don't know who TCU's quarterback is,
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do you? I don't know who any of their star players.
I got to know them last year on their March
Show National Championship game, and I have outside of Schadoor Sanders,
and he's the only one I know at Colorado, and
that's because he was Deon's quarterback and he's Deon's quarterback
now at Colorado. Those are the only guy that's the
only guy I know in the game.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I mean college football though. In college sports,
though have always sort of been about the name on
the front that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Rather than the background.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
It's not a different, but now it's even worse because
the there are so many players that moving each year.
I mean you got to and now too because of
the number changes where certain players can wear different numbers.
Now it makes even worse when you have guys who
change their number each season. It is tough to build
hype if you don't know the name of the quarterback
on all the teams. That's part of I think why
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this season maybe feels a little different this year. Plus,
Georgia is just so good and they have the most
easiest schedule of all time for a champion. Again, there's
a lot of I think just like settling for Georgia
winning a third championship in a row, which hasn't been
done in so many years, and it's hard to do
for that exact reason, because of complacency and scheduling. And
there are good teams obviously in the SEC. But I
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think your point about the conference realignment really makes this
season it's tough to stomach. Right, I'm a Pack twelve
guys you mentioned parents are Bruno Lumps. I went to Oregon.
I covered the Pac twelve full time and this is
the best season of Pac twelve on paper has ever had.
There's no other season like this, we have four teams
with the playoff aspirations, and then a fifth team in
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Oregon State who won ten games last year, who's probably
winning ten again. They upgraded a quarterback this offseason, and
my thought is sort of almost, well, what happens next
year obviously when everyone breaks apart like this season is
the exciting for the season for me has just gone
way down because of the next year's movement where all
these teams, even just Oklahoma Texas are going to but
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everyone's just leaving. It's everyone's spreading around the country and
going to different conferences. This season doesn't feel as much
fun as it should be.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, I would tell you that I think the whole
Pac twelve thing last year was completely fraudulent because you
had like five teams at the bottom that were so awful.
They were that no one lost to them, so it
gradually it inflated their record. Whereas at a conference, who'd
you actually beat, right, which is which is how you
actually figure out if anybody's really good. They just all
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beat up on the bad teams. No one lost to
any of the bad teams.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
There was one I actually talk It was yesterday at
my show or Monday on my show because we were
talking about win loss records for this year's teams, and
I made the point last year that there was only
one game last season and the entire Pac twelve conference
where it was a major, major upset, and it was
Arizona as a twenty point underdog beating UCLA the Rose Bull.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
That was it.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
We didn't have this this year when the bottom has
some upsets and it ruins the top. You're exactly right,
there wasn't any of that last season.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, and it'll be interesting this year if the bottom
is better and it makes the top look not as
good because they lose games, when the reality is the
top's actually pretty good, but the bottom is better, so
it's more competitive. I don't know, Like, look, the sport
needs usc to get in the College Wall playoff, but
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because you can't just keep they won't maybe not whatever,
Like you don't you think they won't be I'm just
saying the sport needs it because you need you need
a ten pole school in the West. Otherwise, why would
why would anybody watch, you know, west of the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Oh, I'm in a strong agreement with you.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
I I I we've seen what Oregon and Washington have
made the playoffs. The ratings are super high because to
the West coast actually pays attention to the playoff and
I did I think this gives our conferences This year
we won't have a playoff team again, so we're gonna
do the same situation is gonna happen when you know
the furthest team.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You know West is going to be Mischian in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (18:42):
Good Morning to you Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio
along with Jeff Schwartz, some Doug Gottlibe. So, Jeff, here's
my question about the Jets. Yes, is it going to work?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
What does work mean?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well, you know, you know the expectations. Expectations are at
least playoffs and then you know, I mean, is it
a playoff team? Does it? Everyone thinks, well they were
a quarterback away? Is now they clearly have a quarterback.
Is it going to work?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I think there are fifty to fifty of the playoffs
and I don't think in year one they're going to
have a magical playoff run. They play in a tough division.
As we know, defensive aggression is a thing in the NFL.
Or one year you're really good, the next year you
drop back a little bit. That that's sort of typically
what happens. There's obviously exceptions to that rule over the years,
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but most often there's a little bit of a drop back.
And obviously the upgrade on quarterback can make up for
the drop on defense. But donal I don't know if
you pay attention much to them. I know that we
sort of all have Their offensive line is a complete
rec right now, and nothing that they do with the
quarterback position is going to to make their offens align
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magically better. They have a lot of problems on that
unit right now, and if they can't get that fixed,
and it could be fixed with as simple as like
Dwayne Brown just kind of coming.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Back to their left hand.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I was thirty nine years old, I know, but there's
a lot of he'll be fine, like he's thirty on her.
First of all, you're betting on him to be nearly
what he has been at thirty nine, and then you're
also betting on him to not get hurt again. Whereas
we all know the older you get, the more likely
you get hurt again.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
So if if Dwayne Brown again if comes back healthy
left tackle, that fixes that position, allows Makai Beck to
go back to right tackle. But there's you know, talk
about moving their best guard right now to back to tackle. Like,
if their offensive line can't play well, they're not going
to do very well this season. And Rogers is older,
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it's going to be getting hit a little bit. He's
not as mobile as he used to be. Again, once
you get older to your point, you stop moving as well,
And that to me is a huge concern in a
division where I think Miami is really, really, really really
going to be good this season. They add Vic Fangio
defense coordinator, very underrated addition to this Dolphins team. I
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think with the with the players they have on defense,
if TUIs is healthy, the offense we saw last year,
it's going to be really good. I think the Patriots
are better than people want to give them credit for.
They have a real offensive coinator now, a real one.
Last year they had an offensive line coach and a
defensive coordinator and especially teams coach calling plays on offense.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
They have a real offensive corner and a real defense,
like they're going to be good. The Jets have a
tough schedule. I don't think they're going to see a
lot of as much success as they hope. I think
they're fighting for a wildcard berth and they're losing that
wildcard round.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
They open up, I don't know if you've seen their schedule.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Oh it's bad.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
They open up Bills on Monday Night football at home
at Dallas against Cowboys. Patriots at home defending Super Bowl
champion Chiefs. Also at home. They go to Denver take
on the Broncos. Of course we know they'll be a
you know, because of the coaching change there and their
offensive coordinator was the head coach there. Then they got Eagles,
Giants on the Giants Chargers where they go the Raiders,
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then back to the Bills. Like, man, that is, give
me the Falcons rule in the season, give me the
Cardinals rule in the season. Let's welcome in Kerry Rhodes.
He joins us. Of course, up he played safety for
the Jets and the Cardinals, and he joins us here
on the Dan Patrick Show, carry give me your your sense.
Everyone's talking about the offensive line. How problematic is that
going to be early on the season.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Well, it is problematic, was up dalkin Jeth It's problematic,
but it's one of those things. Well, when you get
a veteran quarterback, a lot of times you're able to
mask some of those things. So I'm sure they know
that the Lion is stuff throughout turning to camp so far.
And I mean we've heard that from on heart heart knocks, right,
But at the end of the day, when you bring
the veteran guy, I mean you can look at those
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some Brady teams in New England. There was years with
that office Ave Lion wasn't great either or even really
really good, but being able to mix match those guys
and put them in the best positions to be successful,
and a quarterback that knows the offense the way that
Tom did. It's the same situation that's coming here with
Hackett coming back to the Jets. So you have a
familiarity with all your hot all your hot reads, all
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your hot routes, all your checks, and so you know,
Aaron knows that he's going to get rid of the
ball quick early and they're going to run the ball.
And I think that Pat's work line will get them,
get them through that confident of those first first couple
of games where it's tough and they'll be right in
the thick of it.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
As it moved on, Nate Hackett has not been a
good offensive coordinator. The numbers back it up. What changes
with Aaron Rodgers just that he has Aaron Rodgers now
and he becomes something that he hasn't been, Or do
you think there's still some question marks about his ability
to lead a successful offense.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Oh, it's going to be a questioning marks for sure.
I have to leave it in the situation he left
last year and it being such a such a mess.
I mean, for a lack of better words, but I
mean the success that I could have with with Aaron.
I mean, obviously that speaks for itselfs the premierarity helps,
and Aaron being able to have a situation where you
know he's comfortable and being able to go to the
line and put them in the best possible play doesn't
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know a lot of times when you are vetterman, guys,
you're not just going to the line with one play call.
And you know, and since went the last year, I'm
sure they didn't have that same flexibility with Russell Wilson
told I'm looking at the premiriarity here being being a real, real,
real big positive and yes he hasn't had success in
the last few years. But with Aaron Rodgers, he asked.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Okay, carry, I have a question here. Maybe Jeff you
can hop in as well. Okay, So I get Carrie
what you're saying. Like, Look, you go up to the
line of scrimmage. You've you've run this offense. You know
it like the back of your hand. You know all
the options. Hey, you're super familiar with it, which is
really comforting to a quarterback. Right, you know the protections,
you know the lingo. Nothing has changed. It's great. What
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about the rest of those guys though they don't? Do
they do they have the same level of comfort when
you're making changes?
Speaker 7 (25:03):
I think they do. I mean, I think that's why
Aaron came into all the OTAs and all the mini camps,
where he hasn't done that in the past. Right, I'm
sure he knew that that was gonna be a big
emphasis for the guys going into the season. I mean,
the change of communication I'm sure has been opened throughout
this whole process. So Aaron, you know someone that He's
been such a great leader in this situation with the
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Jets have been very promising and seeing him go early,
I'm sure they've gone through a lot of these things
and they're going through all the safe and that's the
preseason is for Doug, you know, I mean, so, I mean,
these guys are going to work it out. And like
I said, I mean, I know I sound like a
stand right now, but the fact of the matter is,
it's like, yeah, Aaron's not going to a situation where
he doesn't think he's gonna have a chance to suteam
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So him putting all his leadership skills into this situation
and knowing, you know, the best possible outcome is for
them all to be together and work. Work is the thing.
He's done a great job of that, So I see
them all being on the same page.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Some of the issues with Aaron Rodgers offense last couple
year years is kind of the you know, the walking
on a wide receiver kind of choosing favorites. Does that
does that sort of just stop with the new team
or is that something you think he still us to
kind of work through as he kind of finds himself with.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
A new roster.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Yeah, I think yeah. I mean, when you have a
guy like Davarante Adams, They're gonna You're gonna throw the
ball of that guy, you know what I mean. So
there are some guys that kind of breaks the mold,
breaks the rule when it comes to the keying in
on guys. But I think in this situation he does
like Jared Wilson a lot. But I think he's gonna
spread the ball around now. And I know that because
of the other signings they brought in him, right, They
brought him some familiarity again that that word with some
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of the guys from Green Bay, and so he will
have outlet guys to go to and they will know
the text. Right. So you also not just bring in
the quarterback that though, whether you bring it in you
know Lazard, you bring in the cops, these people know
the offense as well. So the communication is going to
be open and it's going to be a chance for
them all to really learn this thing and hit and
hit the rope and hit the ground running.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
In all, in full disclosure, I am a Rogers right,
I've always I've been. I've been the Rogers defender for years, right.
But I'm also I also know that he does have
a tendency when things don't go well to not have
the greatest body language in the world, right, and that
and teams people feed off that like it's it's the
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old your body language streams what you're really thinking and feeling.
I just I wonder this this kind of mythical idea
of going out and trading for David Baktiari, who the
packers are like, dude, we're not trading our best lineman
when we think we're pretty good. And it's like that,
it just seems so I don't know to me that
that's the man. He done liked this offensive line thing
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at all. That's what it screams to me. And if
he starts getting hit like that's when the when the
bad erran comes out. That's that's what I fear Kerry,
is that everything's hunky dory. Now when there's no adversity,
you start getting hit. No quarterback likes getting hit, especially
when the thirty nine And Aaron is somebody whose by
language can change dramatically when when things aren't going the
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way he wants.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, I don't like to get bumped and bumped and
when I'm walking to a crowd. So no, when you're
thirty nine, you don't want to get hit to the
quarterback for sure. Night And you're right, Doug, you you
know that that stuff is true about him. Mabe you
can't you can't, uh, you can't hide the fact that
that's that's the triviuce. But I also think again, well,
from what it seems like, I can't say I think,
but from what it seems like, you know, he has
this refreshed attitude about all this, and I know he
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knows that all eyes are on him. He's going to
be on his best bet behavior right now. But yeah,
when when when when when the thing, when the fire
hits the fans, we'll see. I think that he really
wants to go in there and win and prove that
he can do it outside of outside of Green Bay,
and he has this chip on his shoulder and when
you know, once you know, see guys like Joe Montown
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and it's the old in the in the nineties when
he left sant Train, nobody really thought he was going
to do much in Kansas City. He put that chance
to playoffs. I mean I think, I think, a yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I mean there I see it playing out similar
to that.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
No, I'm with you. I can see a world which
I think all of this was triggered, honestly when Tom
Brady came in and beat them in Green Bay, you know,
and he and it's like his first year and he
takes off his helm and he looks like a million bucks.
Aaron Rodgers looks like, you know, he's been he's been
in Alaska for years. I goll warning Weather and he's like,
what am I doing here? I want out? Let me
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let me go round the legal let me let me uh,
let me go round the legue a little bit. We
got a chance seat Washington and Baltimore last night, and
we're going crazy over Baltimore's Zay Flowers and Odell Beckham Junior.
But it's it's the old idea of we're gonna are
we gonna turn Lamar Jackson into a pocket passer? Does
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that work in your mind?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
I think it works. The one thing about Lamar that
a lot of people kind of I mean gloss over
or thing to forget is he was going to pro
style offense at Louisville right with Petrino, And I mean,
obviously I'll with the luser. So I got to see
those guys a lot. I went to see them in
training camp. I saw him early in the season, and
obviously the design runs were flashy, and that was part
of what they did as well. But vigeneral runs was
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a pro style offense, and so being able to make
reads and make throws and read the field is part
part of it. Pankage. But you know, I think the
one thing that Baltimore did, they did two things. Number One,
they built the offense around a player and his talents,
which is great, Like that's part of maturity. That's part
of being a really good coach in this league, being
able to adapt to your best players and put them
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in a position to succeed. But at a point that
becomes a moment where you have to adjust again, people
are going to start adjusting to what you do as well.
So they didn't do that with Roman. And now you
get a chance with marketIn to have a new a
first set of eyes, the first out of ideas, and
also build around the players that you have now. And
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the players they have now are guys that can get
open at the receiver position, So I mean, don't don't
put it past them. Mark able to read the filling
in they pass because because you can.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
We had discussion earlier about kind of the practice style
now and the playing reps in the preseason. We've kind
of noticed that older coaches play their players and younger
coaches don't the preseason. Is there a preferred method you
think to getting ready because I know you played an era,
so did I when you played in the preseason, And
now we see younger coaches that don't play players that
feels like they need the preseason reps. So justin Fields
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and Anthony Richard, even Lamar is not playing at all
in this offense, in this brand new offense in the preseason.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Yeah, you need to play a little bit. I'm from
the old school too. I think, uh the foot equity
that comes with playing and just you know, the callalyus
that comes from playing, like you need that. And I know,
like you see all these guys having these these long
season ending injuries and you having these uh you know,
injuries that keep that are keeping them away from the
game for such a long time. Obviously you want to
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protect them in and that makes sense some the outside
looking in, but once you're in it, you have to
go through the wars. You have to go through the battles.
Your body has to get adjusted to playing aggressive type
of football. And I think they're stunting these kids and
not giving them a chance to be successful by not
letting them go out there and let's get some rips.
I mean, even when I was playing, I mean I
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came in as a the rookie in two thousand and
five as a starter. I mean, we still would play
at least two or three series. The two series. Let's
get your you know, just get your feet wet and
start being able to see the game and see the
field from you know, from that perspective when you're not
hitting each other. So I definitely believe in you have
to play a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, Carry, we just want to hit somebody. Let's just
be honest. I need to hit somebody, right that first hit.
You're like, well, okay, yeah, okay, let's let's go carry road.
You can hear my weekends. You're on Fox Sports Radio.
Course play for the Jets Play for the Cardinals was
a good one, really good on radio as well. Carry,
thanks for joining us, man.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate you.
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Speaker 3 (33:01):
I feel like I'm I'm a skating rank in Orange
in the nineteen eighties, right, What.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Was that dance club at Notts very far?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Was like Cloud nine?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Did you go to?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I know went to Cloud nine? Wasn't there one in Disneyland?
My brother and sister used to belong to the one
that used to go to one at Disneyland. So this
is a real thing, Jeff. You grew up in the valley, right,
and you're younger, you're younger than whatever. Close enough, same thing,
all right, whatever you know? Sure, so in Orange County
(33:34):
where I grew up, by the way Dan Patrick show,
Fox Sports Radio, Jeff is Jeff Schwartz. I'm Doug Gottlieb. No,
this is We're not trying to make a minion here.
It's not too live, Jew, but it could be. Anyway.
He grew up in West la West La is where
UCLA is. It's where all the rich people live.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And that's it, right, Yeah, there you go anyway, rich people,
rich people, Hollywood types and uh and uh yeah, that's
that's about it. Whereas I grew up with the real
people in Orange County, Orange, California. Anyway, So there used
to be and Jayce uh's a North Orange County guy.
He's Brea. I'm Central Orange County, Orange. And there used
(34:14):
to be these like teen dance clubs at Knottsbury Farm
and at Disneyland in an effort to get because teens
didn't used to want to go there wasn't cool, and
it made it kind of cool, and it was like
a safe place you could drop off your kids and
it was like a club, but you know, without the
(34:34):
without the blow and all the other stuff that go
on in West La for example.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Right, Yes, that was me as a kid.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yet, right, I mean I understand that the reason you
were in fact a tight end, but it was the
cocaine problem when you were a kid, which led you
to have to recoup, go rehab, come back the alignment. Right,
That's that's what happened. Yeah, anyway, Jay dude, did you
go to the one at Knotsberry Farm?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
That was the one that I hung out at it
I think that was maybe more in my budget, not
Berry Farm, and it got real sketchy at night. Y.
This is the the you know, the eighties.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It still gets a little sketchy now with the not
scary farm when you get late at night. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's there. There's a lot of sketch there as well.
Speaking of southern California, isn't weird how USC has changed,
right to those of us who grew up here, that
used to be the school that you know, b's and
c's got you to USC degrees, right, and now it's
(35:29):
an incredibly difficult school to go get into. They named
a new athletic director guests. Jennifer Cohen comes in. She's
from she was at the University of Washington. I like
you cover the Pac twelve. I talked to some other
athletic directors. Everybody likes, some respects her. She did it.
She had to make a quick change in football coach.
That's worked, right. Basketball hasn't really worked. But overall athletic
(35:52):
department I think is doing well. What do you think
of the higher?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, the basketball higher hasn't worked, but I think that
it was the right higher at the time, right, And
there was the was some sex success early on with
with Hopkins. I love the hire because it's one of
those where we're not going to find out four years
later that there were issues at Cincinnati with you know,
we're washing this case with the way that her management
style and anything, you know that that happened otherwise, Right,
(36:18):
Everyone that has worked with her has only positive things
to say. She's done an absolutely fabulous job at Washington.
She raised money for a stadium from stadium renovations. She
hired Kilin to bording. Washington fans are really worried that
if Lickin Riley leaves the NFL at some point that
their coach will be at USC. But it's it's a
higher that you make that winning programs make right that
(36:40):
winning athletic departments make.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I think she'll do a fabulous job there. She's not.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
There's no scandals coming up. They didn't hire a former
USC person, which I didn't do with Mike Bone either,
but I think it was it was a it was
a very solid hire that you won't have any problems with.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Okay, So now that we think there's some settling right
in the college football landscape, let's take out callen. Stanford
are screwed, and you know, they just are. There's just
no other way. So they're obviously that it's gonna hurt
I mean, I don't know what that world looks like
for Callen Stanford as well as Oregon State and Washington State.
(37:18):
The guess is that there's some sort of Mountain west
Pac twelve combination agreement whatever, take those ones out of it.
Of the ones that joined the new conferences, who benefits
the most, who benefits the least?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Well, who benefits the most? Of TV networks?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Oh, I mean the schools. Nobody cares about the TV
new I mean just sitting there going like, hey, good
for Fox.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Huh, yeah, you asked you benefit. I would argue that
no one benefits the schools.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
I mean Oklahoma Texas now Oklahoma, I mean for Colorado,
game changer, life saver for them because it gets them
into Texas where they can actually get players.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Is that more? It's a league they can be more competitive.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
In Sure, the patrol hasn't been great until the last
couple of seasons. They could have been competitive otherwise they
they had one good They've by the way, had the
worst record in the patrol of conference since they joined.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
It's that's not a they can recruit Texas if they want.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Now, that's that's that's that talking point to me programs
that are that are that are national, like the brand
of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Would do that was not a national brand. Now some
of it is.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Yes, I just said that with the are they should
be able to recruit text without playing in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
No, but now they play in Texas. Now, look it
doesn't matter as location doesn't matter as much now because
kids don't come because of any other reason other than
how much money you're going to give me. Right, that's
the real Like.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
That's most of it, but not always, not always.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Also, do you play, can you come back home? Do
you play? You know, chance to play, style of play,
all that stuff, But it's at the end of the day,
they're going where they're going to get the most money,
and then the other things should.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Okay, So I was not thinking about the Big Twelve,
thinking about more of the SEC and Big ten movement,
and in the for the Big twelve. I think Arizona
will benefit from this. I think Colorado, as you mentioned,
going and just playing in the Big twelve. No one
has talked about this very much. I think, but Utah
immediately becomes the best football program in the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Who's better than Utah in the Big twelve?
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I mean immediately. I mean, I don't know if I
don't know if I agree with that. Now, look what
they have is they've been able to They've also been
able recruit Southern California. Well does that change? Utah has
better players than they've ever had, they had better they
had better players. Then are you going to be able
to continue to get better players when you have more
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well funded programs?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
The difference in the difference in the PAC twelve and
the Big twelve is the level of funding and commitment
to what used to be facilities and now to nil. Right, Yeah,
that's I mean, how do you think TCU got so
good they went out and bought a really good team? Sure,
but they have to do that year after year, right,
and they have and they have the money and they
have the commitment to it. Whereas Cow and Stanford correct
(40:04):
wouldn't do it. Oregon State watched this State couldn't do it.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Say, the difference in Utah specifically to them is they
are now getting all the players from Utah that are
four and five star kids that never used to get
And that's a big and the Big twelve is not
coming into Utah and taking those players from from Utah
I think Utah, Colorado, Arizona. I think Arizona State's a
neutral for me. Of those movements into the big twel.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I'm going to tell you who the biggest loser is
and it's going to surprise you. All right, that's coming
up next. Plus what do we see for Monday night football?
It might surprise you as well. That's next in The
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
What up? Good morning to you. Doug Gottlieb Jeff Schwartz
in for Dan, the Dan Ets Dan Patrick Show, Fox
Sports Radio, iHeartRadio App. And we did get a chance
to see a very very entertaining, very entertaining Monday night
(00:46):
football game in which the Washington Commanders finally ended the
streak of consecutive preseason games won by the Baltimore Ravens.
It did become a thing. It was a good drinking
game last night, if you're into that sort of thing.
And of course was the celebration of the new ownership
of the Washington Commanders. There's also an announcement of the
(01:08):
new Undisputed I want to get into. And then there's
college football on the horizon. You mind if we start
with a new undisputed I know we want to talk
college football.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, let's do it?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Okay? So was it officially announced today, Jay stew Er?
Is that just leaked by whoever covers TV and radio?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
It was my official. Michael Irvin will be joining the show.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Okay, So the playmaker leaves ESPN and is he what's
his status with the NFL network? Because that was like
put on pause because of the accusations of the Super Bowl.
But then there's video where it doesn't appear to be
any sort of substance to the accusation. Whatever. Anyway, Michael
Irvin coming over to be on Undisputed. They're gonna have
Michael Irvin, Richard Sherman, Lil Wayne, and Keshawn Johnson. Yes,
(01:54):
and then Rachel Nichols. Is she going to be the host?
Is that the idea? She's gonna be there every day?
So there was some question but whether or not she
be a debater, she'll be somehow involved. I'm just again,
I know we all it's there's a little bit of
guilty pleasure to it, right, and a little bit of
hate liking to it. People like to say I don't
(02:15):
watch that stuff like, but she'd clearly do because they
make a lot of money, So somebody's watching. What do
you think.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
So I don't sit down at the TV and watch
all these shows. I just don't have the opportunity. But
on the background, but the social media clips obviously go
very viral, and I think the cast of crew they
have will end up having that effect where the things
that are being said by those individuals of big personalities.
That's what it's about, right, big personalities. It'll go viral.
(02:46):
The clips of them arguing will end up, you know,
having people react and having people acknowledge what they say.
And that's the most important part of these shows and
the little way part of it. I'm kind of excited
to see him debate sports and I know him. Bay,
Let's have a friendship. I think the cast is good.
It would be entertaining to watch.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I actually think it's pretty good too. I'm not like
a I was. I guess the best way to say
it is, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
that I love watching Skip on TV or love watching
steven A on TV. But you know you have to
And I actually don't think you need the chemistry thing, right,
So I go, you need chemistry, like now you're kind
of debating. You don't need to have super great chemistry.
(03:28):
But yeah, I kind of think it's more impressive, at
least on paper than what the ESPNS throwing out there.
I like Marcus Smear is a great deal. I think
he's really good on TV. He's smart, form football player whatever,
But like, I don't know, Michael Irvan's got a high
entertainment factor and uh yeah, I they they recovered quite well.
(03:51):
And it's interesting because Shannon's now going over to First Take, right?
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Ye? Swap?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right? So, but Shannon only gets a day on First Take,
whereas he was every day on Undisputed.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I think the hardest part about doing those shows is
just the kind of once a week nature. If you're
one of the panelists, like I think, it's hard to
get in a rhythm sometimes with the person you're working with.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Also, hard to get up that early. That hard to
get up that early once a week. It's easier to
get up that early if it's a routine.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Yes, you know, and so finding that rhythm might be
tough early on to figure out kind of the roles
that everyone's gonna take. And because you know, obviously you
if a lot of topics need multiple days of debate,
and you hear what someone says and you come back
and you counter them, which obviously won't be the case here,
but I think it's a good lineup.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I'm gonna I'll tell you this.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I will tune in out of out of sort of
kind of curiosity early on at least to see how
all these pairings worked out together.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I mean, I to me, the way it works
in my brain is the getting up early thing. Like
if you ever filled in on a morning show like
this one, you know, so when you're in Los Angeles,
this is a six am show, you're up at four fifteen,
four thirty, which is fine if like that's your routine,
it's not crazy. But if your routine is, hey, I
(05:10):
get up at six every day or six thirty or
seven every day, and then all of a sudden on
a one like if it's a week, it's way better
than if it's a one off, a one off throw
as you're a whole, because then all of a sudden,
you get to tonight and you're tired, like eight o'clock,
and then you wake up again the next day at
four thirty, like now I have nothing to do, And
I love that. Kobe Bryant used to work out at
four in the morning. But I'm not Kobe Bryant and
I'm not playing for the Lakers right now.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
I Am not an early morning workout guy. I don't
understand people that do that. But your your points. This
is the only point about living on the East Coast
that actually is helpful for me as the morning radio
because I'm up early. At six am is a decent
time to wake up. I'm not you know, it doesn't
ruin my day. But yeah, the early morning workout stuff,
I don't. I never understood that.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
D I gotta tell you, I actually like the morning
workout thing. It's it's one of those you get it done,
You're like, Okay, the rest of the day is downhill.
It's easy, but it is a it is a hard
thing to do, I will I One thing you were
kind of starting to touch in on was I think
East Coast is way better for sports than West Coast is.
And I live on the West Coast and.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Grew up on the watching sports.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yes, especially when you have kids, your kids age, because
that you know, you're a Pac twelve guy, right that
Pac twelve. After dark, everybody's asleep. You get to go
down in your basement or downstairs and watch and nobody's
bothering you, or the Sunday night football game, like they're done,
nobody's bothering you. I love that part.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
That's absolutely true.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Except the hardest part for me with my children is,
you know, there's seven and nine.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
They go to bed at eight, eight thirty.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
I can't really watch a lot of sports during the
week with them, and that's kind of like the bummer
because you know, games don't start. Last night and start
t to eight o'clock, we watched a quarter and my
son went to sleep. So other than that, yeah, I
mean I do like the quiet house at like nine
o'clock at night, my wife's already sleeping after a day
at work and I'm just watching football by myself. That
is definitely part of it. But again, like I think
(07:00):
it's hard to be a sports fan if you're a
child on the East Coast because the games, especially if
you're a fan of West Coast teams, the games just
you can't watch them. They're just they're like they're just
too late to watch them.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, look, I think I will tell you this. I
think what you're going to find and maybe your kids
are different, but kids don't watch games nearly as much
as we did.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
They watched clip parts, they watch TikTok, they watched Instagram,
they watch highlights. It's all in a little short, little
little bursts, and then they think they know everything because
they're like, yeah, that's not actually real, that's not actually
how what took place. But they don't, you know, they
just don't. And we feed them more and more short
(07:43):
clips and they eat it up like it's soupy. They
like sports, but the idea of getting them and there
are some and I'm sure we're going to be besieged
by tweets. And my son we watch every game like
that's great. I'm telling you. In the highest percentage of
young people watch less and less games instead watching in
clips because they think that's a lot easier than they
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can be on their phone the rest of the time,
or when they're watching something, they watch with the phone
in their hands. And they're like, look like my daughter,
she's seventeen, you know, we Binge watched shows before her
favorite shows, Lucifer. I remember watching Lucifer with her and
I'm like, you're not even watching the show. She's like, yeah,
yeam if you're on their phone, like yeah, I get
you both.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
So I think I never noticed to the people at
an event that watch the event through their cell phone.
If you're going to record something, that's great, but like
move your head away from the cell phone to look
at live action. Plus, how often does anyone actually go
back and watch the video they recorded of sport?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Have you done that? I have recorded every now and then.
I don't go back and watch any of them.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
None of it. None of it. None of it. That's
the worst. That's like the who was it who was
sitting in front row?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Well, I was just gonna say that. My one engagement
with Jeff Schwartz on Twitter, and I hope we have
many in the future, was the day after Lebron hit
that shot and there was that still shot of everybody
on their camera except for one old dude in the front,
and I just pointed out, you know, thank God for
this one old guy for not needing a phone, and
Jeff Schwartz is like, dude, that's Phil Knight.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Phil Knight till night. There was another instance of that
recently where somebody else. There was another recent thing I
can't remember what it is, where like everybody but one
person had their cell phone out. I just what was
the purpose of going to the game, Like, what was
the purpose of going of literally what was the purpose
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if you want to take the selfie that you're at
the game when you get there, so that you have
the proof because everybody says I was at that game,
and you're like approve it, like I hear, here's it.
Look look at my Instagram. But the actual recording of
the thing instead of watching with your eyes, I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Look, I think I have zero. I think I took
zero videos at the Chiefs nine or Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
The entire day. I was like, I'm not gonna watch
it with my eyes. What am I to taking a
video for? It's like, I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
I just don't get, Like I don't get. Don't paying
two thousand dollars ago sit Taylor Swift and then watch
the concert through your phone.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
The entire time.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Well that one people like FaceTime. Other people as like
not even a humble brag like yeah, I'm here, and
then they play. They just they want to show where
they are, that they were again, same thing, they want
to show that they were there. The only times I've
ever recorded at a concert and is when I have
friends who couldn't make the concert and you're like, hey,
just here's or friends who are like, yeah, I don't
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know if I want to go, you know, I don't
know I want to go. I'm like, all right, here's
what looks like here's a gym, miss buddy.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
You know that's fair that since but you're not You're
not up with your phone for three and a half
hours the entire concert.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
That you're at.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
No, not in any way.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
No, what would you pay to go see Taylor Swipts
with one of your children.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I can tell you what my brother paid, but I
don't want to divulge because he but we we we
were hoping for a deal and we end up getting
He got good seats, but they were it was a lot. Yeah,
you know, look, I've I've only paid. So my I
have a daughter who's a rocker. Right by the way,
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it's the Dan Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio, Jeff Schwartz,
Doug Gottlieben for Dan and the Danets. They'll be live
in Ireland on Thursday, Thursday, Friday, and I think Saturday
as well, to be doing some content getting ready for
that Notre Dame Navy game. So my daughter's a rocker.
So the only times I've I don't like, I don't
really enjoy paying for tickets. I mean, it's part of
one of the perks for working for iHeart is figure
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out a way to not pay for tickets. But I have,
and the only times I've paid is for my kids.
So we've I have one who she's a metal guitar bassist,
and so we've been to Primus, Let's Claypool is Amazing,
to Google Dolls, to Iron Maiden, to I mean, like
a ton of different types of shows because of the
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base those ones I'll pay a couple hundred bucks for.
I have a her sister is she just likes the
big shows and likes country. So they went out and
did Stage Coach and then I took her to Morgan
Wallen and I ended up picking up the tab for
a couple of her friends and just so she could
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have like like look she it was. It was like
a surprise and like a treat or whatever. And I
think those were a couple hundred bucks. But I'm not
paying a grand for a kid to go watch a concert,
Like come on.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Man, yeah I'm not either. That's what happened.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
No, no, not so much. But as used as I
think people saw it up. Bill Belichick's seen himself as
a as a swiftie because he went to the concert
and then talked about the concert at a at a
press conference going back two days ago, speaking of that
Notre Dame and Navy game. It's interesting because so much
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of the talk of college football is about out the
conferences expanding or the Pac twelve going away, more so
than the actual product. Like I would challenge people to
be honest with themselves and with the exception of maybe
Caleb Williams, can you name another college football player who
doesn't play for your school?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Can I do that?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I know you can because you do PAC twelve radio,
right Like I know I'm not saying you, I'm saying
most people.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I would say no, because right now, the quarterback at
Georgia's unknown. There's no quarterback of Alabama announced, there's no
quarterback at Olio State announced. That's part of the problem.
There's not like these outside of Drake Man Caleb Williams,
a lot of major programs don't have household quarterbacks right now.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
No, And because everybody changes places every year, or seemingly
does with the transfer portal, you don't know you need
name tags on guys. Yes, absolutely, And I actually think
we're in an era and look, I'm not. I'm done
fighting what I knew would be a reality, which is
it's not name, image and likeness. It's buying players, right,
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That's all it is. Because if they had name, image
and likeness, well then you'd know who the hell they were, right,
you would have some sense of who they are. And
you don't because they're ass But you're still gonna watch.
You're gonna watch Colorado play TCU a week from now
on Fox, knowing I don't know who TCU's quarterback is,
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do you? I don't know who any of their star players.
I got to know them last year on their March
Show National Championship game, and I have outside of Schadoor Sanders,
and he's the only one I know at Colorado, and
that's because he was Deon's quarterback and he's Deon's quarterback
now at Colorado. Those are the only guy that's the
only guy I know in the game.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I mean college football though. In college sports,
though have always sort of been about the name on
the front that.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Rather than the background.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
It's not a different, but now it's even worse because
the there are so many players that moving each year.
I mean you got to and now too because of
the number changes where certain players can wear different numbers.
Now it makes even worse when you have guys who
change their number each season. It is tough to build
hype if you don't know the name of the quarterback
on all the teams. That's part of I think why
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this season maybe feels a little different this year. Plus,
Georgia is just so good and they have the most
easiest schedule of all time for a champion. Again, there's
a lot of I think just like settling for Georgia
winning a third championship in a row, which hasn't been
done in so many years, and it's hard to do
for that exact reason, because of complacency and scheduling. And
there are good teams obviously in the SEC. But I
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think your point about the conference realignment really makes this
season it's tough to stomach. Right, I'm a Pack twelve
guys you mentioned parents are Bruno Lumps. I went to Oregon.
I covered the Pac twelve full time and this is
the best season of Pac twelve on paper has ever had.
There's no other season like this, we have four teams
with the playoff aspirations, and then a fifth team in
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Oregon State who won ten games last year, who's probably
winning ten again. They upgraded a quarterback this offseason, and
my thought is sort of almost, well, what happens next
year obviously when everyone breaks apart like this season is
the exciting for the season for me has just gone
way down because of the next year's movement where all
these teams, even just Oklahoma Texas are going to but
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everyone's just leaving. It's everyone's spreading around the country and
going to different conferences. This season doesn't feel as much
fun as it should be.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, I would tell you that I think the whole
Pac twelve thing last year was completely fraudulent because you
had like five teams at the bottom that were so awful.
They were that no one lost to them, so it
gradually it inflated their record. Whereas at a conference, who'd
you actually beat, right, which is which is how you
actually figure out if anybody's really good. They just all
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beat up on the bad teams. No one lost to
any of the bad teams.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
There was one I actually talk It was yesterday at
my show or Monday on my show because we were
talking about win loss records for this year's teams, and
I made the point last year that there was only
one game last season and the entire Pac twelve conference
where it was a major, major upset, and it was
Arizona as a twenty point underdog beating UCLA the Rose Bull.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
That was it.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
We didn't have this this year when the bottom has
some upsets and it ruins the top. You're exactly right,
there wasn't any of that last season.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, and it'll be interesting this year if the bottom
is better and it makes the top look not as
good because they lose games, when the reality is the
top's actually pretty good, but the bottom is better, so
it's more competitive. I don't know, Like, look, the sport
needs usc to get in the College Wall playoff, but
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because you can't just keep they won't maybe not whatever,
Like you don't you think they won't be I'm just
saying the sport needs it because you need you need
a ten pole school in the West. Otherwise, why would
why would anybody watch, you know, west of the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Oh, I'm in a strong agreement with you.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
I I I we've seen what Oregon and Washington have
made the playoffs. The ratings are super high because to
the West coast actually pays attention to the playoff and
I did I think this gives our conferences This year
we won't have a playoff team again, so we're gonna
do the same situation is gonna happen when you know
the furthest team.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
You know West is going to be Mischian in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
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Speaker 3 (18:42):
Good Morning to you Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio
along with Jeff Schwartz, some Doug Gottlibe. So, Jeff, here's
my question about the Jets. Yes, is it going to work?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
What does work mean?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Well, you know, you know the expectations. Expectations are at
least playoffs and then you know, I mean, is it
a playoff team? Does it? Everyone thinks, well they were
a quarterback away? Is now they clearly have a quarterback.
Is it going to work?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I think there are fifty to fifty of the playoffs
and I don't think in year one they're going to
have a magical playoff run. They play in a tough division.
As we know, defensive aggression is a thing in the NFL.
Or one year you're really good, the next year you
drop back a little bit. That that's sort of typically
what happens. There's obviously exceptions to that rule over the years,
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but most often there's a little bit of a drop back.
And obviously the upgrade on quarterback can make up for
the drop on defense. But donal I don't know if
you pay attention much to them. I know that we
sort of all have Their offensive line is a complete
rec right now, and nothing that they do with the
quarterback position is going to to make their offens align
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magically better. They have a lot of problems on that
unit right now, and if they can't get that fixed,
and it could be fixed with as simple as like
Dwayne Brown just kind of coming.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Back to their left hand.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I was thirty nine years old, I know, but there's
a lot of he'll be fine, like he's thirty on her.
First of all, you're betting on him to be nearly
what he has been at thirty nine, and then you're
also betting on him to not get hurt again. Whereas
we all know the older you get, the more likely
you get hurt again.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
So if if Dwayne Brown again if comes back healthy
left tackle, that fixes that position, allows Makai Beck to
go back to right tackle. But there's you know, talk
about moving their best guard right now to back to tackle. Like,
if their offensive line can't play well, they're not going
to do very well this season. And Rogers is older,
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it's going to be getting hit a little bit. He's
not as mobile as he used to be. Again, once
you get older to your point, you stop moving as well,
And that to me is a huge concern in a
division where I think Miami is really, really, really really
going to be good this season. They add Vic Fangio
defense coordinator, very underrated addition to this Dolphins team. I
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think with the with the players they have on defense,
if TUIs is healthy, the offense we saw last year,
it's going to be really good. I think the Patriots
are better than people want to give them credit for.
They have a real offensive coinator now, a real one.
Last year they had an offensive line coach and a
defensive coordinator and especially teams coach calling plays on offense.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
That's not how it works.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
They have a real offensive corner and a real defense,
like they're going to be good. The Jets have a
tough schedule. I don't think they're going to see a
lot of as much success as they hope. I think
they're fighting for a wildcard berth and they're losing that
wildcard round.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
They open up, I don't know if you've seen their schedule.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Oh it's bad.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
They open up Bills on Monday Night football at home
at Dallas against Cowboys. Patriots at home defending Super Bowl
champion Chiefs. Also at home. They go to Denver take
on the Broncos. Of course we know they'll be a
you know, because of the coaching change there and their
offensive coordinator was the head coach there. Then they got Eagles,
Giants on the Giants Chargers where they go the Raiders,
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then back to the Bills. Like, man, that is, give
me the Falcons rule in the season, give me the
Cardinals rule in the season. Let's welcome in Kerry Rhodes.
He joins us. Of course, up he played safety for
the Jets and the Cardinals, and he joins us here
on the Dan Patrick Show, carry give me your your sense.
Everyone's talking about the offensive line. How problematic is that
going to be early on the season.
Speaker 7 (22:36):
Well, it is problematic, was up dalkin Jeth It's problematic,
but it's one of those things. Well, when you get
a veteran quarterback, a lot of times you're able to
mask some of those things. So I'm sure they know
that the Lion is stuff throughout turning to camp so far.
And I mean we've heard that from on heart heart knocks, right,
But at the end of the day, when you bring
the veteran guy, I mean you can look at those
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some Brady teams in New England. There was years with
that office Ave Lion wasn't great either or even really
really good, but being able to mix match those guys
and put them in the best positions to be successful,
and a quarterback that knows the offense the way that
Tom did. It's the same situation that's coming here with
Hackett coming back to the Jets. So you have a
familiarity with all your hot all your hot reads, all
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your hot routes, all your checks, and so you know,
Aaron knows that he's going to get rid of the
ball quick early and they're going to run the ball.
And I think that Pat's work line will get them,
get them through that confident of those first first couple
of games where it's tough and they'll be right in
the thick of it.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
As it moved on, Nate Hackett has not been a
good offensive coordinator. The numbers back it up. What changes
with Aaron Rodgers just that he has Aaron Rodgers now
and he becomes something that he hasn't been, Or do
you think there's still some question marks about his ability
to lead a successful offense.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Oh, it's going to be a questioning marks for sure.
I have to leave it in the situation he left
last year and it being such a such a mess.
I mean, for a lack of better words, but I
mean the success that I could have with with Aaron.
I mean, obviously that speaks for itselfs the premierarity helps,
and Aaron being able to have a situation where you
know he's comfortable and being able to go to the
line and put them in the best possible play doesn't
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know a lot of times when you are vetterman, guys,
you're not just going to the line with one play call.
And you know, and since went the last year, I'm
sure they didn't have that same flexibility with Russell Wilson
told I'm looking at the premiriarity here being being a real, real,
real big positive and yes he hasn't had success in
the last few years. But with Aaron Rodgers, he asked.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Okay, carry, I have a question here. Maybe Jeff you
can hop in as well. Okay, So I get Carrie
what you're saying. Like, Look, you go up to the
line of scrimmage. You've you've run this offense. You know
it like the back of your hand. You know all
the options. Hey, you're super familiar with it, which is
really comforting to a quarterback. Right, you know the protections,
you know the lingo. Nothing has changed. It's great. What
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about the rest of those guys though they don't? Do
they do they have the same level of comfort when
you're making changes?
Speaker 7 (25:03):
I think they do. I mean, I think that's why
Aaron came into all the OTAs and all the mini camps,
where he hasn't done that in the past. Right, I'm
sure he knew that that was gonna be a big
emphasis for the guys going into the season. I mean,
the change of communication I'm sure has been opened throughout
this whole process. So Aaron, you know someone that He's
been such a great leader in this situation with the
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Jets have been very promising and seeing him go early,
I'm sure they've gone through a lot of these things
and they're going through all the safe and that's the
preseason is for Doug, you know, I mean, so, I mean,
these guys are going to work it out. And like
I said, I mean, I know I sound like a
stand right now, but the fact of the matter is,
it's like, yeah, Aaron's not going to a situation where
he doesn't think he's gonna have a chance to suteam
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So him putting all his leadership skills into this situation
and knowing, you know, the best possible outcome is for
them all to be together and work. Work is the thing.
He's done a great job of that, So I see
them all being on the same page.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Some of the issues with Aaron Rodgers offense last couple
year years is kind of the you know, the walking
on a wide receiver kind of choosing favorites. Does that
does that sort of just stop with the new team
or is that something you think he still us to
kind of work through as he kind of finds himself with.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
A new roster.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Yeah, I think yeah. I mean, when you have a
guy like Davarante Adams, They're gonna You're gonna throw the
ball of that guy, you know what I mean. So
there are some guys that kind of breaks the mold,
breaks the rule when it comes to the keying in
on guys. But I think in this situation he does
like Jared Wilson a lot. But I think he's gonna
spread the ball around now. And I know that because
of the other signings they brought in him, right, They
brought him some familiarity again that that word with some
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of the guys from Green Bay, and so he will
have outlet guys to go to and they will know
the text. Right. So you also not just bring in
the quarterback that though, whether you bring it in you
know Lazard, you bring in the cops, these people know
the offense as well. So the communication is going to
be open and it's going to be a chance for
them all to really learn this thing and hit and
hit the rope and hit the ground running.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
In all, in full disclosure, I am a Rogers right,
I've always I've been. I've been the Rogers defender for years, right.
But I'm also I also know that he does have
a tendency when things don't go well to not have
the greatest body language in the world, right, and that
and teams people feed off that like it's it's the
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old your body language streams what you're really thinking and feeling.
I just I wonder this this kind of mythical idea
of going out and trading for David Baktiari, who the
packers are like, dude, we're not trading our best lineman
when we think we're pretty good. And it's like that,
it just seems so I don't know to me that
that's the man. He done liked this offensive line thing
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at all. That's what it screams to me. And if
he starts getting hit like that's when the when the
bad erran comes out. That's that's what I fear Kerry,
is that everything's hunky dory. Now when there's no adversity,
you start getting hit. No quarterback likes getting hit, especially
when the thirty nine And Aaron is somebody whose by
language can change dramatically when when things aren't going the
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way he wants.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Yeah, I don't like to get bumped and bumped and
when I'm walking to a crowd. So no, when you're
thirty nine, you don't want to get hit to the
quarterback for sure. Night And you're right, Doug, you you
know that that stuff is true about him. Mabe you
can't you can't, uh, you can't hide the fact that
that's that's the triviuce. But I also think again, well,
from what it seems like, I can't say I think,
but from what it seems like, you know, he has
this refreshed attitude about all this, and I know he
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knows that all eyes are on him. He's going to
be on his best bet behavior right now. But yeah,
when when when when when the thing, when the fire
hits the fans, we'll see. I think that he really
wants to go in there and win and prove that
he can do it outside of outside of Green Bay,
and he has this chip on his shoulder and when
you know, once you know, see guys like Joe Montown
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and it's the old in the in the nineties when
he left sant Train, nobody really thought he was going
to do much in Kansas City. He put that chance
to playoffs. I mean I think, I think, a yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I mean there I see it playing out similar
to that.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
No, I'm with you. I can see a world which
I think all of this was triggered, honestly when Tom
Brady came in and beat them in Green Bay, you know,
and he and it's like his first year and he
takes off his helm and he looks like a million bucks.
Aaron Rodgers looks like, you know, he's been he's been
in Alaska for years. I goll warning Weather and he's like,
what am I doing here? I want out? Let me
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let me go round the legal let me let me uh,
let me go round the legue a little bit. We
got a chance seat Washington and Baltimore last night, and
we're going crazy over Baltimore's Zay Flowers and Odell Beckham Junior.
But it's it's the old idea of we're gonna are
we gonna turn Lamar Jackson into a pocket passer? Does
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that work in your mind?
Speaker 7 (29:48):
I think it works. The one thing about Lamar that
a lot of people kind of I mean gloss over
or thing to forget is he was going to pro
style offense at Louisville right with Petrino, And I mean,
obviously I'll with the luser. So I got to see
those guys a lot. I went to see them in
training camp. I saw him early in the season, and
obviously the design runs were flashy, and that was part
of what they did as well. But vigeneral runs was
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a pro style offense, and so being able to make
reads and make throws and read the field is part
part of it. Pankage. But you know, I think the
one thing that Baltimore did, they did two things. Number One,
they built the offense around a player and his talents,
which is great, Like that's part of maturity. That's part
of being a really good coach in this league, being
able to adapt to your best players and put them
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in a position to succeed. But at a point that
becomes a moment where you have to adjust again, people
are going to start adjusting to what you do as well.
So they didn't do that with Roman. And now you
get a chance with marketIn to have a new a
first set of eyes, the first out of ideas, and
also build around the players that you have now. And
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the players they have now are guys that can get
open at the receiver position, So I mean, don't don't
put it past them. Mark able to read the filling
in they pass because because you can.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
We had discussion earlier about kind of the practice style
now and the playing reps in the preseason. We've kind
of noticed that older coaches play their players and younger
coaches don't the preseason. Is there a preferred method you
think to getting ready because I know you played an era,
so did I when you played in the preseason, And
now we see younger coaches that don't play players that
feels like they need the preseason reps. So justin Fields
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and Anthony Richard, even Lamar is not playing at all
in this offense, in this brand new offense in the preseason.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Yeah, you need to play a little bit. I'm from
the old school too. I think, uh the foot equity
that comes with playing and just you know, the callalyus
that comes from playing, like you need that. And I know,
like you see all these guys having these these long
season ending injuries and you having these uh you know,
injuries that keep that are keeping them away from the
game for such a long time. Obviously you want to
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protect them in and that makes sense some the outside
looking in, but once you're in it, you have to
go through the wars. You have to go through the battles.
Your body has to get adjusted to playing aggressive type
of football. And I think they're stunting these kids and
not giving them a chance to be successful by not
letting them go out there and let's get some rips.
I mean, even when I was playing, I mean I
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came in as a the rookie in two thousand and
five as a starter. I mean, we still would play
at least two or three series. The two series. Let's
get your you know, just get your feet wet and
start being able to see the game and see the
field from you know, from that perspective when you're not
hitting each other. So I definitely believe in you have
to play a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah, Carry, we just want to hit somebody. Let's just
be honest. I need to hit somebody, right that first hit.
You're like, well, okay, yeah, okay, let's let's go carry road.
You can hear my weekends. You're on Fox Sports Radio.
Course play for the Jets Play for the Cardinals was
a good one, really good on radio as well. Carry,
thanks for joining us, man.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
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Speaker 3 (33:01):
I feel like I'm I'm a skating rank in Orange
in the nineteen eighties, right, What.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Was that dance club at Notts very far?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Was like Cloud nine?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Did you go to?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
I know went to Cloud nine? Wasn't there one in Disneyland?
My brother and sister used to belong to the one
that used to go to one at Disneyland. So this
is a real thing, Jeff. You grew up in the valley, right,
and you're younger, you're younger than whatever. Close enough, same thing,
all right, whatever you know? Sure, so in Orange County
(33:34):
where I grew up, by the way Dan Patrick show,
Fox Sports Radio, Jeff is Jeff Schwartz. I'm Doug Gottlieb. No,
this is We're not trying to make a minion here.
It's not too live, Jew, but it could be. Anyway.
He grew up in West la West La is where
UCLA is. It's where all the rich people live.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And that's it, right, Yeah, there you go anyway, rich people,
rich people, Hollywood types and uh and uh yeah, that's
that's about it. Whereas I grew up with the real
people in Orange County, Orange, California. Anyway, So there used
to be and Jayce uh's a North Orange County guy.
He's Brea. I'm Central Orange County, Orange. And there used
(34:14):
to be these like teen dance clubs at Knottsbury Farm
and at Disneyland in an effort to get because teens
didn't used to want to go there wasn't cool, and
it made it kind of cool, and it was like
a safe place you could drop off your kids and
it was like a club, but you know, without the
(34:34):
without the blow and all the other stuff that go
on in West La for example.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Right, Yes, that was me as a kid.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yet, right, I mean I understand that the reason you
were in fact a tight end, but it was the
cocaine problem when you were a kid, which led you
to have to recoup, go rehab, come back the alignment. Right,
That's that's what happened. Yeah, anyway, Jay dude, did you
go to the one at Knotsberry Farm?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
That was the one that I hung out at it
I think that was maybe more in my budget, not
Berry Farm, and it got real sketchy at night. Y.
This is the the you know, the eighties.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It still gets a little sketchy now with the not
scary farm when you get late at night. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's there. There's a lot of sketch there as well.
Speaking of southern California, isn't weird how USC has changed,
right to those of us who grew up here, that
used to be the school that you know, b's and
c's got you to USC degrees, right, and now it's
(35:29):
an incredibly difficult school to go get into. They named
a new athletic director guests. Jennifer Cohen comes in. She's
from she was at the University of Washington. I like
you cover the Pac twelve. I talked to some other
athletic directors. Everybody likes, some respects her. She did it.
She had to make a quick change in football coach.
That's worked, right. Basketball hasn't really worked. But overall athletic
(35:52):
department I think is doing well. What do you think
of the higher?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, the basketball higher hasn't worked, but I think that
it was the right higher at the time, right, And
there was the was some sex success early on with
with Hopkins. I love the hire because it's one of
those where we're not going to find out four years
later that there were issues at Cincinnati with you know,
we're washing this case with the way that her management
style and anything, you know that that happened otherwise, Right,
(36:18):
Everyone that has worked with her has only positive things
to say. She's done an absolutely fabulous job at Washington.
She raised money for a stadium from stadium renovations. She
hired Kilin to bording. Washington fans are really worried that
if Lickin Riley leaves the NFL at some point that
their coach will be at USC. But it's it's a
higher that you make that winning programs make right that
(36:40):
winning athletic departments make.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I think she'll do a fabulous job there. She's not.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
There's no scandals coming up. They didn't hire a former
USC person, which I didn't do with Mike Bone either,
but I think it was it was a it was
a very solid hire that you won't have any problems with.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Okay, So now that we think there's some settling right
in the college football landscape, let's take out callen. Stanford
are screwed, and you know, they just are. There's just
no other way. So they're obviously that it's gonna hurt
I mean, I don't know what that world looks like
for Callen Stanford as well as Oregon State and Washington State.
(37:18):
The guess is that there's some sort of Mountain west
Pac twelve combination agreement whatever, take those ones out of it.
Of the ones that joined the new conferences, who benefits
the most, who benefits the least?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Well, who benefits the most? Of TV networks?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Oh, I mean the schools. Nobody cares about the TV
new I mean just sitting there going like, hey, good
for Fox.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Huh, yeah, you asked you benefit. I would argue that
no one benefits the schools.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
I mean Oklahoma Texas now Oklahoma, I mean for Colorado,
game changer, life saver for them because it gets them
into Texas where they can actually get players.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Is that more? It's a league they can be more competitive.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
In Sure, the patrol hasn't been great until the last
couple of seasons. They could have been competitive otherwise they
they had one good They've by the way, had the
worst record in the patrol of conference since they joined.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
It's that's not a they can recruit Texas if they want.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Now, that's that's that's that talking point to me programs
that are that are that are national, like the brand
of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Would do that was not a national brand. Now some
of it is.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Yes, I just said that with the are they should
be able to recruit text without playing in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
No, but now they play in Texas. Now, look it
doesn't matter as location doesn't matter as much now because
kids don't come because of any other reason other than
how much money you're going to give me. Right, that's
the real Like.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
That's most of it, but not always, not always.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Also, do you play, can you come back home? Do
you play? You know, chance to play, style of play,
all that stuff, But it's at the end of the day,
they're going where they're going to get the most money,
and then the other things should.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Okay, So I was not thinking about the Big Twelve,
thinking about more of the SEC and Big ten movement,
and in the for the Big twelve. I think Arizona
will benefit from this. I think Colorado, as you mentioned,
going and just playing in the Big twelve. No one
has talked about this very much. I think, but Utah
immediately becomes the best football program in the Big twelve.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Who's better than Utah in the Big twelve?
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I mean immediately. I mean, I don't know if I
don't know if I agree with that. Now, look what
they have is they've been able to They've also been
able recruit Southern California. Well does that change? Utah has
better players than they've ever had, they had better they
had better players. Then are you going to be able
to continue to get better players when you have more
(39:41):
well funded programs?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
The difference in the difference in the PAC twelve and
the Big twelve is the level of funding and commitment
to what used to be facilities and now to nil. Right, Yeah,
that's I mean, how do you think TCU got so
good they went out and bought a really good team? Sure,
but they have to do that year after year, right,
and they have and they have the money and they
have the commitment to it. Whereas Cow and Stanford correct
(40:04):
wouldn't do it. Oregon State watched this State couldn't do it.
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Say, the difference in Utah specifically to them is they
are now getting all the players from Utah that are
four and five star kids that never used to get
And that's a big and the Big twelve is not
coming into Utah and taking those players from from Utah
I think Utah, Colorado, Arizona. I think Arizona State's a
neutral for me. Of those movements into the big twel.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I'm going to tell you who the biggest loser is
and it's going to surprise you. All right, that's coming
up next. Plus what do we see for Monday night football?
It might surprise you as well. That's next in The
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