August 31, 2023 • 49 mins
Doug has an extensive conversation with long-time Cowboys writer Jean-Jacques Taylor and his new book "Deion Sanders and the Making Of Men". Doug reacts to Brady Quinn's take about the Colts and Jonathan Taylor. Doug chooses among deserving candidates for who is most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives you his "Pick Of The Day".
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John Jock Taylor of course four years okay cover the
Cowboys as a beat writer, columnist and a television insider
and radio host since nineteen ninety five. I believe that's
where he established his relationship with Dion Sanders. And he
spent all of last year in Jackson, Mississippi, with full
access to the program. And of course he's got a
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new book coming out on the tenth of October, which
is called Coach Prime, Dion Sanders and the Making of Men.
John Jock Taylor joins us here in the bonus, How
did the discussion start about you writing this book? Like?
Was it you? Was it him? How did it start?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What? Really? How it started is uh. I have a
good relationship with Dion obviously from not just when he played,
because we were cool when he played. We actually got
to be much closer after he played, and I had
Sports Illustrated call me and say, hey, we really want
to do a story on Jackson State. We here you're
the guy to do it. You're available, so obviously you
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don't turn down Sports Illustrated when a call. And so
I did a cover story on Dion last May and
Jackson State and bro. Two days later I got a
call from Hopper Collins and said, we just read your
story and side we love it. Would you consider doing
a book on Jackson State and Dion Sanders? And I go,
hell yeah. I called him up and it's what I
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love about the I said, hey, let me tell you
what just happened to me. And it literally took him
three minutes to say, I got you whatever access you need,
you got, uh, just let me know. And it was
literally too many conversations and uh and that was it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
What's he like? What's you really like?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know? Man? What what We had a conversation one
time he was introducing me to somebody and he said,
this is my guy because none of for twenty eight
years and he ain't changed. And I would say, be honest,
is the same guy who who hadn't changed. But what
he's really like is, uh, he's all about honesty, and
he's all about loyalty. He's all about doing the right thing,
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and to me, that's what that's why he's successful. He's
got more. He's the most distitute person. Him and my
father probably the most disciplined people I've ever met in
terms of they just do what they what they say
they're going to do, regardless of what anybody else thinks
about it or how difficult the task may be. The outsiders,
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once they decide they're going to do something, they just
commit to it and do to do it. And that
level of consistency, to me is he passes because I
don't have it. I've tried it, and I've got disciplined
at a certain level. But like I said, him and
my father had a level it goes beyond normal dudes.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay, But the loyalty is interesting though, because you know
he he asked. He was asked, for example, the other
day about about Florida State, and he's like, you know
where I graduated from. My graduated from HBCU. But I'm like, look,
there's a lot of people that go like wait, wait,
Florida State is kind of part of what helped make
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prime prime right, and yet there there would be people
that would defend the on like yeah, except for Dion
wanted the job and he didn't couldn't get the job,
and that's why he feels this way. He feels like
they were disloyal. What's the truth to the Florida state relationship?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And I don't know all the details, let's start with that,
but I will tell you that I believe he feels
like like he was misled about their intentions, like like,
this is my interpretation of it. My interpretation of it
is that he thought he was a real candidate to
get the job, and in essence, they didn't want to
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give him the job. And so he's like, if you don't, again,
it's my interpretation. If you didn't want me to have
a head job, he just said that, you don't make
me think I'm going to get it. And then either
you want to make me a figurehead or you don't
really want me to have a head job, you just
want to use me to be as recruiter and all
these other things. Because anybody who knows it knows his
whole thing was I'm trying to he's trying to beat
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the system. Okay, I'm trying to get a head job
without being an assistant, sure with Craney because nobody else
has been able to do it, and so to me,
I think that's where the disconnect with him in Florida
State is. And so when he said that, you know,
Bobby's question is why, because obviously he made his name
to Florida State, So for him to feel that way,
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there has to be a reason why he feels that way.
And I had a conversation with a friend of mine
yesterday by something else, but it relates to this. When
people get divorced, you can ask the man, hey, what
happened in the relationship, and he can give you his truth.
You can ask a woman, hey, what happened in the relationship.
She can give you her truth. They could each stick
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their hand on the Bible or whatever book they being holy,
and they each would be saying the truth because that's
the truth as they saw it and as they perceived it,
and as they lived it and as they believed it,
and they could be two totally different stories.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I totally understand that, feel that, and like again, I
relate to it because I was trying to get a
head coaching job without being insistent, completely completely get it,
and you know, interview to my Olna Manter didn't at it,
and but I you know, there is a there's an
element there where and and I like, I think that's
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why he went and stole Travis Hunter, right, because he
could have he god have gotten a lot of dudes,
but he went and got the guy that like the
number one commit that went to Florida State, And I think.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That made it. I think that made it sweeter. I
think he's tried to get Travis with such a talent
wherever he was, but I think it made it sweeter
that he went to Florida State.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
What was last season like, considering the success but also
the departure, it was really.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It was really really interesting. And I've told him this.
It's two things that stuck out to me. I've been
covering football since nineteen ninety five with the Cowboys, well
I consider kind of like the highest level because everybody's
trying to cover the Cowboys. And I still learned so
much about football last year that I had no clue
about it. So that's one thing. And two I went,
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I went in his office one day and I sat
down here and I said, do let me tell you
something you can gave me full access to this program.
You let me go wherever I want to go. I
can sit there on whatever meeting I want to sit
on whatever. I said, Dog, there's still a one hundred
things going on that I have no clue. About two,
two or three weeks later, he started laughing. He said,
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welcome to the head coaching world. And it just showed
me that, man, there's so much that these head coaches
have to go through and have to deal with on
a daily basis that it's really insane, you know, because
it's not just all your players you got, it's all
the coaches, there's all the coaching families, there's all the
support staff. It's I mean, it's a never ending gigs
and it can wear you out. Wore me out, and
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I wasn't even coaching.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
What about his health with his feet, with the blood clots.
How much does that take up his time and his energy?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Last year it took quite a bit, obviously, But you know, man,
he's a he's a bonafide workaholic. You can't say it
any other way. He's a bonterflywork a holly And they
have to really try to restrain and last they had
to really try to restrain try to keep him, you know,
so they gets his proper rest so that he can
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function at the highest possible levels. But again when we
talk about the mental tests, man, you know, his foot
was throbbed and he had to you know, he couldn't
really stand for a game because the foot would start throbbing.
He take pain callers, they'd wear off, you know, may
go through the play quarters. They had to sit on
the stool and some other stuff. But he had a
real commitment to the kids and the players that went
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beyond whatever was kind of good for him. And you know,
almost to a fault. You can be dedicated to a fault,
and sometimes he is. And other people have told him, like,
you got to relax, man, but he did not a relax.
He only knows how to go one way because he's
got single minded focus. And seriously, the same thing that
made him great in football and baseball in terms of
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being a dual sport athlete, that's the same thing that
ultimately that thing will help him be successful.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
They what, none of this surprises you because you've known him.
But when I pick up the book on the tenth
of October, what's gonna surprise me the most?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think there's there's two things. One of them to
me is I went to UH I had talked to
some players one day, and as I was walking back
from talking to his end, I bumped into him. He
was outside sitting on the bench, and it was actually
one of the few times I'd seen him alone, and
I walked up to him, says, man, you were doing
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some great things around. He said, what's you taling about?
I said, I just talked to a couple of players
and they were just telling you some things. You'd better
help them mentally. He said, oh, hit there, he said
what they said? So I was telling him and said, well,
come to this thing they were doing at three o'clock
to day. I said, okay, what is that? He said,
just come and check it out. Well, what happened was
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he had some players with some mental health issues, ranging
from you know, any from depression to anxiety to dealing
with pressure, just whatever. Well, he would meet with them
every Thursday man at three o'clock, and, as he would say,
they would get neked. They would just talk about all
the things that were bothering them, whether it was girls
or whether it was family pressuring them about football. And
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he would talk about his frailties as a man when
he was an athlete, and how he found himself in
a bad spot and how he became you know, turned
his life to God. And what I remember most about
those meetings is they were about twelve thirteen players and
every Thursday, and the things that they would talk about,
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and how deep they would go in terms of really
being vulnerable amongst themselves and how they didn't mind telling
each other in those meetings. I love you, man, and
you know it. It was really cool to see a
bunch of college kids and Dianna and a couple of
other coaches really get in there and like I say,
kind of bear their souls on a weekly basis about
what was bothering them as men, not just athletes, but
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as men, and how if you get this part of
your life straight, your academics, your home life, your football life,
your athletic life will all be better. And so I
don't think many head coaches take time to do that
on a regular basis with a bunch of different players,
black players, white players, up the classmen, freshmen and really
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try to get to know them intimately so that you
can really help them be men and not players. And
that's really why the book is called Coach Prior Beyond
stands in the making of men, because it ain't just
about the football. We know he's got some Travis Hunters
out there, but hell, there's only gonna be one or
two players or three players from any programs going to
the league and have a real career. It's about those
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other ninety five percent of the guys that you worry about.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Will it work at Colorado?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay, here's my thing. I went up to a son
Shallow one day. He's a safety, played in South Carolina
before he came to Jackson State. I said, hey, dog,
why do his dad always win? And he was either
salat and he looked up at me, and as matter
of factly as you can say, he said, because he
always got the best players. I said, oh, okay. The
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reason I think ultimately he'll win in Colorado is one thing.
I think he'll be able to recruit recruit well enough
to compete and get his fair share of the best players.
And two, I think he's a really good coach. Now,
he's a walk around SEO coach. He spends his time
coaching coaches and then he'll come in and say, well
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on this scheme, What about this, who's accounting for the
tight end down the middle of this? Are we there?
You know? So he does that kind of stuff. But
I think ultimately his ability to recruit, his ability to
relate the players and coaches in the fact that it's
so demanding, I think ultimately they'll be able to get players.
And once he gets players, they win because in college football,
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to me, as a Buckeye, there's always about the players.
If you can recruit, you've got players, you know you're
in the hunt. And I think he'll be able to
do that because we period of time.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No question. If you have better players, you know nine
times and ten and you know what you're doing, you're
going to win. Is Colorado the ultimate landing spot?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Though, here's the deal man beyond a different kind of dudes.
This is my personal opinion. I think he could be
or was two things. One, I think he could be
very happy at Colorado, Okay, and here's why. And he'll
say this, So I ain't telling you nothing that if
you talk to him long enough, you haven't heard him
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say there's no job he can get that will change
his lifestyle. So he's not chasing money, he's chasing lifestyle.
He's an outdoors guy. He's a hunter. I mean he's
a fisherman. I don't know that he hunts all that much.
Loves to fish, loves nature. That's why every house he's
ever had, if it didn't have a pond, he built
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the man made lake up high in front of his house.
So Colorado is really a perfect sponsible in terms of
his mentality and what he likes out of life. And
so now that's one part of it. The other part
of it is and part of the reason why he
left Jackson State is he thought that the president at
the time, Thomas Hussin, was starting to mess with us.
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He doesn't. He just won't put up with it. If
he feels like you're not allowing him to be his best,
then he'll bounce because, as he said many many times,
I don't allow anything to disturb my peace. So if
you think, if he thinks that you're starting to work
against him, then then yeah, he'll leave. Because now I
understand this, but he ain't for everybody, right, He's really not.
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You have to have a certain mentality to work would
be on and couse this would be on because he's
been rich and powerful his whole life, right right, And
so people who are rich and powerful their whole life,
they have certain demands and they just don't relent on
him because that's the way they've known it for twenty
five thirty years. That's the way they built. Very demanding.
But and this is true, coach, a lot of coaches
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stay this, some of them actually living. He really doesn't
ask you to do anything more than he will do.
And so when the grounds crew didn't want to cut
the grass a certain way at Jackson State, that's what
he did. Man. He had his bride Lawn Moore hauled
over to Jackson State. And there's your head coach cutting
the grass himself, because when he needed to get done
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and he wanted it done a certain way, and so
he got it done him.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Sif it's amazing that that is amazing. You know, the
Jackson State things interesting because it reminds me it feels
like an old It feels like like the Olympics when
they leave one of these, or the World Cup and
it leaves one of these cities, right like you build
it up for Dion and yet now there's no Dion.
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And no matter no matter how good Jackson State is
in his stead, there won't be the attention, there won't
be the passion, and it will feel, you know, like
so one of those Brazilian stadiums from the last from
that World Cup that they're kind of empty and relics.
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I think that's fair. Now, Jackson State's got a great
brand and great tradition, but there were people there who
understood that once he leaves, they ain't never going to
be the same. Right, we can live with what it
is because jack and State, like I said, they had
four Hall of famers in the pro Fooball Hall of Fame,
very great programs traditionally, but that thing the last two years,
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man three years when Dion was there, it was just
something wild. I mean, it's just wild. It really was,
like I would say, it really was like the Cowboys
in their heyday in the early nineties where they were
just rock stized wherever they went. It was like that
at Jackson State. And you're right, I don't think it'll
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love to be to that level again because Dion has
a charisma about it that can't be replicated. It just
can't be knowing you shouldn't, you shouldn't even try, and
a good thing about TC Taylor, the new coachy, Jackson stated,
he ain't trying to right, He's not trying to replicate
it or be like Dian and he's really trying to
be his own dude, which is hard because we all
know ain't nobody interested in being the man and follows
the man?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Right. That's that's incredibly, incredibly difficult. Speak of the Cowboys.
You covered them, obviously for over twenty years. This is
the first. This is you're coming out the first back
to back double digit win season since the Heyday. You
know of the of Ape beIN, of Irvin, of emmittt. Smith,
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of all those guys. But now you get to the Okay,
you gotta win playoff games. What's your feeling for for
Dak in terms of does he have it in him
to take them to the next step?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think so, but guess what, he got to go
through it. I think so, but he got to go
through it. I started with this with Dack Beak is
a great dude. Number one, Number two. He really is
a great leader. A lot of people get a nineteen
is great leaders and they're really not. And this is
all I like. This is what I like to tell
people when I talk about Dak as a leader. So
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you got Tony Romo, with the history of success Cowboys
starting quarterback. He breaks the bone in his back, Kellen
Moore breaks his leg. Dack, who's supposed to be, you know,
the third quarterback learning this year basically red shirting, gets
thrust into the starting job. He takes him to thirteen
and three. When Romo gets healthy. There's not a single
solitary player who says, oh, Romo should get his job back. Nobody,
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not his BSS Jason Witten, not his BFF, his other BFF,
the head coach, Jason Garrett, none of them. None of
them stood up and said Tony Romo should get the
job back. Because Dak is that kind of leader. He's
been a terrific player. And if you look at the numbers,
when the Cowboys quit lying to themselves and they put
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a roster around him that's capable of winning, they can win.
And here's what I mean, Bro, Dak is not the
kind of Dune who's gonna elevate you with his arm tablet.
He ain't that guy. Now I might ask you, Doug,
who's the who are those guys? There's uh Pat Maholmes,
there's probably Joe Burrow and Rogers still in that group.
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I guess you can throw Justin Herbert in there if
you want to, although they ain't want no playoff games, yit.
But what I'm telling you is, and if you go
back a little further time, Brady was like that, Drew
Bridge was like that, what are those cats usually Hall
of fame quarterbacks? The guys we think will eventually get
to the Hall of Fame with their resume. Ain't nobody
ever said that about baking? So if you take Amark
Cooper away, why you and you give him a broke down?
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Michael Gallup with CEEDE Lamb, why are you surprised he
has a bad year? So they brought in Brandon Cooks.
They have CD Lamb. Michael Gallup is a year removed
from his ACL he's health and Tony Polloch is a
big play guy. And here's what I like about Mike McCarthy.
Collins plays. They've added some elements of the West Coast,
not the whole thing, but they've got some some crossing patterns,
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some turns and running catch and run things. Wide receivers
can make big plays where Dak doesn't have to do
at all. And this is what I saw in the
preseason that I promise you man, I haven't seen in
several years. Haunter Lumky, the full back North Dakota rookie,
cut a pass in the flat walk five yards into
the ends, one untouched. It was a screen. It was
a schemed up touchdown. Cowboys haven't had many of those.
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They beat their guys one on one. We both in touchdowns.
They haven't had any plays where they scheme a touchdown
at any level over the last several years. The way
their offense was constructed. Now they're adding some schemes in there.
And if dak will throw it to the running backs
and let them do some of the heavy lifting, the
big players will come and they'll win.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's interesting, though, because Kellen Moore has such a good
reputation and yet no, you're.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Right, you're right. And here's the difference. Though, we're being
very nuanced about this, right, it's right when we talk
about the best running backs, immit and Barriy. Okay, they
both great, but now which one is the greatest. Tell
them Moore's offense. Ain't nothing wrong with Tellamore's offense if
you have great players. So they got really good talent
with the Chargers. His offense is going to score it
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close to thirty points this year. The problem is his
offense requires guys to win their one on one battle.
If you can't win your one on one battle, your
offense is trash in that scheme, which is why when
the Cowboys had one really good receiver last year, the
offense was trash. You didn't have enough guys who could
win the one on one battle. We had Mark Cooper
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the year before with Michael Gallup and cd Land, offense
was tuition. But in the playoffs against San Francisco two
years in row, they can shut that crap down. So
now it's Mike McCarthy and back beat Philly or San Francisco.
And the way to do it is Cowboys need to
win the division so that to get a home game,
another game and to the Super Bowl. Uh. You know,
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but I think if he gives back an opportunity, I
don't think he'll be scared of the moment, and I
think he'll put you in a position to win.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
John jack Man, this has been awesome. This has been
so good, so educational. By the way, for people, if
you didn't didn't hear at when we first started talking. Okay,
this is important to note. Okay, you can go and
put it in your queue if you will. On the
tenth of October, the new book drops Coach Prime, Dion
Sanders and the Making. Amen. By the way, have you
done the audible book the audiobook yet?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Somebody's doing it? But yeah, why aren't you doing it?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Why aren't you doing it?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Man? I ain't got the kind of pipes.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes you do. It's perfect. It should be in your voice,
don't you think.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Let me check check us out, HarperCollins. Those some good people.
They decided somebody else was better than me. This is
my I've written a couple of other books, but dude,
I considered this is my first real book, and so
I decided to be a good, good player and be
very coachable and let them lead the way on this
particular one. Uh. Now we're talking about another book, and uh,
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I think we're gonna get it done. You just need
to stop the ads and crossing t's. And once they
get done, they don't let me do the aud audio
on network?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
All right? Well, I like I like it. I mean,
I mean your style and your voice comes through, and
your writing. I just personally thought it would come through
well in the book as well. So maybe what the
wait for the say a dog a couple of times?
Why can't you say dog? That's I mean, that's it's
like real and how you speak It's okay, I say
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dude all the time. And then when around my kids,
and then when around my kids, I say like too often,
like you know, like, and I'm like, why did I
That's not how I speak? Like, yeah, that's how you talk.
Because when you're writing your kids, that's what you do.
Right when you're your friends, you say dog or you
say dude. I say dude too much. So that's the
way it works. All right, Let's catch up soon. I
appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Thankful. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
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Speaker 3 (25:00):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now say.
Here's Dan Patrick from The Dan Patrick Show on the
predictability of college football.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I think we thought, oh, other schools are going to
have money, They're going to be able to compete with
Alabama and Georgia. But Alabama and Georgia have been dominating
before nil, and they're going to continue to dominate after nil.
But we do know sort of the ending. Now you
can say, well, you watch Mission Impossible. You know Tom
Cruise isn't going to die. You don't know how he's
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not going to die, or Born Identity or some of
these other shows where franchises where you go, yeah, I
know kind of what's going to happen here at the
very end. And college football is sort of formulaic here
it does feel scripted. I mean, we don't know how
it ends. From the standpoint of does Georgia win the
national title? We got a pretty good idea Georgia will
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play for the national title or be in the final four.
So you do have a different script. It's written each year,
but it sort of has the star surviving, you know,
to do another movie. There's usually one story each year
where you go Cincinnati or you go TCU Boise State
back in the day that you'll have an outlier. But
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when you get to twelve schools, does that bring parody?
Is that make it more interesting or just it's going
to take a little bit longer for Georgia or Alabama
to win the national title.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It's a great question. The answer is very likely that
we will have, you know, more SEC schools, more Big
ten schools, and thus more opportunities for those leagues to
claim to be better when we think they're better, and
there'll be some confirmation biased with it. On the other hand,
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this is important to note that the more of a
tournament format you make, the more you're going to have
some of these outlier results. Right. I mean, even if
you take into account last year in TCU, right Michigan,
go look at how well Michigan actually played or how
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if not for the turnovers, Michigan wins that game. Michigan
was better than TCU personnel wise, and yet they couldn't
get up from Ohio State nearly beat Georgia. I don't
think the difference is as great. Where the difference is
great between the schools is or the SEC and others
(27:34):
is in the attrition. Right in the attrition, here's where
the SEC, and I think to a lesser extent, the
Big Ten will do well and do even better once
we get into the new look of the conferences. There's
just a certain reality to college football and the success
of teams. Is not necessarily just about your starters, right
(27:57):
your starters versus their starters. You could easily make the case, yeah,
SEC is gonna have better players. The real difference is
in the depth. It's so hard to have any sort
of quality depth in college football because in order to
get a kid to come off the bench, he's got
to believe that one he's got to be paid like
a starter, and two he's got to believe that ultimately
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he will be a starter. And the schools that can
do that are the ones that are really well funded. Alabama,
off the bench, they have all American. After all, American
as opposed to the TCUs of the world, don't have
that kind of depth. So they have to compete in
the playoffs and to really really make a push for
a next championship, they have to be healthy enough come
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that part of the time in the season. If you're
gonna have a three game playoff for some of these teams,
you're just gonna get beaten up. And eventually you get
to a place to where you're so beaten up that
your two's are competing against their twos, and their twos
are a lot better than yours. So to answer Dan's question. Yeah,
I think the Bama's and the Georgia's in the Ohio States,
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and ultimately the Clemsons, I think they'll always be at
or near the top. I don't think that's unreasonable. But
I also think that there's a reality of tournament format
play where you're gonna have some upsets, especially in early games,
even if ultimately once you get to the semis and finals,
because of the tradition, because of the because of all
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the attrition, you end up having the best or deepest
teams end up winning. This is Brady Quinn talking about
his the comments made by Colts GM Chris Ballard regarding
the Jonathan Taylor situation.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
You don't hear many people in that hive a position
in any industry publicly say something sucks as much as
Chris Ballard just did there, who, by the way, is
really good at his job. He's a really good guy.
Like I believe that, like deep in my heart, he
does have the best intentions. But as you heard, or
(30:01):
deep in my heart, man, I care deeply about these plays.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Did you use that because that was a.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Because he's now making up it's so obvious with the
messaging that he just get put out there that he's
putting this on Jim Irsay without saying it. And he's
basically saying, like, look, this relationship is damaged because of
something that our owner said. And oh, by the way,
I care about these guys, right like, like, he's making
(30:37):
it known that he's got a relationship with him that's
very different than not what the owner has. And and
I'd argue with anyone like people can say like, oh,
it's about money. Okay, Well look let's see. Let's see
if the Colts don't offer Jonathan Taylor then an extension,
and let's see if he ends up taking it. Because
(30:58):
if they do, okay, it was all just about money.
But if they do, or if they end up trading
them on, then clearly they're both admitting that they just
need to go the separate ways.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's really hard, and this is one of the reasons
that you have agents. This is one of the reasons
that private discussions about contracts should remain private discussions about contracts.
Those two things hop out of me. And I do
think that there's Jonathan Taylor took it personally, and so
(31:32):
too did Jim Ersay. And there are two men who
probably are too prideful to point out that they've made
mistakes and the things that they've said to the people
that they sent them to. And I think that legitimately
Chris Ballard wants to keep Jonathan Taylor, wants him to play,
He wants him to be a cult for as long
as he can be a cult. All these things can
(31:53):
be true, But at the end of the day, at
the end of the day, I do think that what
Jonathan Taylor has to understand is the landscape of the
sport in which he plays is also the business of
(32:13):
the sport he plays. And you just got to be very,
very ego free in how you commit to doing business.
What's best for Jonathan Taylor, what's best for him probably
is to play football. You know, if you don't play
football all year long, coming off of the list after
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the week four, your value is not going to be
as high. It just isn't. And then, of course, if
when you play football, if you don't play to your
fullest capability, your value is not going to be as high.
Does it suck, I'm sure it does. I'm sure it's not.
Something that he wants to do is play on a
contract which is not commensurate with where he believes he
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should be. But these are the rules of the CBA. This,
this is the power that teams have, and if in
fact he does want to be moved in the off season,
being a malecontent is not the way to do it.
And there's just kind of the reality to the sport
and reality to where they all stand. This is Keshawn
Johnson talking about a cliff from Hard Knocks where Aaron
(33:19):
Rodgers and Randall Cobb talk about talk about the Giants
defensive lineman.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Go back to the hit Rando Cobb was completely in
the wrong. Okay, my entire career, my entire career, I
probably was known as the best blocking wide receiver you
ever saw.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I would never do that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I don't remember exactly that. No, no, totally.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
All you got to do is poll with thirty two
head coaches of general manager across the League's get okay,
but I would never do that. It was completely illegal.
All Cob had to do was flash in front of
the dude to swing down so well, he says, you
can hear you, and all I blacked out. I don't know, Yeah, okay,
sure I blacked out.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Great, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
You could hurt somebody, they're not paying attention, they're running,
would blash anything. Okay, let's move on from that. And
you talk about the Ward incident. You say, well, who's
wrong there? Well, Aaron Rodgers. First of all, man, he
barely touched you. Barely touch you. Now you saying to
him you want confrontation with him? Respect? Show some respect.
Oh so now you're the league, you're the shield. Show
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respect what you're talking about? Show respect? He barely touched you.
So Aaron Rodgers completely and the wrong. And I get it.
Trash talk is one of my favorite things when I play.
You can go back and forward. You can tell it dude,
google meet, you can tell a dude what type of
shoes you wearing, you can say all those sorts of things.
I'm okay with that. But then when you say show
some respect, it's like, all right, man whatever at the
(34:40):
end of the day. So I think Cobb is wrong
and Aaron Rodgers is wrong for coming at him like that.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, I Keishun's out of his mind here, right, he
just is right. It's the it wasn't that. What's she
HUD's last name? First of all, the dude has to
walk around with his name Jihad. That's not easy considering
the connotations that everybody thinks of the word gihad ward right.
(35:10):
But the crazy part about it is I think the
rest of the world sees Aaron Rodgers is incredibly likable
through both clips. Do you know? And oh yeah, by
the way, this is the don't you know who I am?
Don't you know? I don't know who you are? I
think I loved it, loved it, And he's right, it's
(35:31):
not a real game. It's a preseason game. It wasn't
It wasn't like he had just thrown the ball. You
don't touch a quarterback. You do show some respect. It's
a preseason game. I couldn't agree with it more. And
for Rando Cop, they were all giving him the business
like what are you doing? What are you doing? So
(35:52):
I look at those clips the same way I think
most of America does. Where like I told you before
Hard Knocks started, it's gonna make the Jets likable. I
don't understand people trying to act like Hard Knocks is
a bad thing or a distracting thing. It's not. It's
never been. Every team who's ever been on it makes
(36:12):
fans after being on it. That's the beauty to it.
We get onto the Florida Gators documentary because it feels
like a fluff piece, doesn't this as well? Of course
it does, of course it does. That's the Fox It say.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart And now
it's your annoying? What do you got, Jason?
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Doug has been a while, I've got a lot of
pent up frustration here. How about first and foremost, let's
go to the people overreacting to Joe Montana being an
annoying population of people today. So Joe Montana went on
men's health. He did in magazine interview people still read magazines,
(37:17):
and he was asked who the best quarterback of all
time is? His quote was put Marino in today's Today's Game,
Dan Reno where he gets free release and his receivers,
holy cow, weren't very big. He says, the best of
all time is Dan Marino. Notice he didn't say the
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greatest of all time. He didn't say the most accomplished
of all time. Neither of those are true. He said
the best of all time. In other words, from Joe
Montana's viewpoint, Dan Marino is the best ever sling it
and I think that carries a lot of weight. But
the reaction on social media has been some big diss
as it should, by the way, correct and and this
(38:05):
is some diss on on the goat Tom Brady. But
I think we're talking about two different things, being the
best at something and the greatest at something, and I
think are two different words.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Correct, And think about this sacrifice and ego. It says
from Joe Montana, who was considered the greatest quarterback of
all time before Tom Brady, to now say, hey, you
know who is also awesome? Was Dan Reno? Like no
one ever considers that. So I'm with you, and we
hear what we want to hear. Even the headline that
(38:36):
I've seen is completely deceiving from what he said in
the comments. He doesn't say the great the best of
all time? Does he mean I read it? He just
he points out that his skill set, what he did
and how he played. Imagine if he didn't have small
wide receivers. Imagine if guys got free releases the way
(38:58):
they did. Now, imagine if you couldnt hit the quarterback.
It's a great point. So, yes, we always want to
find want to find a negative in somebody's positive comment.
If there's any negative here, it'd be a negative towards
himself because most people that cover the game would have
(39:20):
set up to this point, would have said that in
that era and previous to Tom Brady, it was Joe Montana,
not Dan Reno that was considered the best of the
greatest of all time because of the winning. So if
you want to find additional positivity, it's not just in
what he's saying about Dan Reno, but what he's saying
(39:40):
about himself. What else?
Speaker 7 (39:44):
You know? The US Open is on right now, and
you know who's not broadcasting John Mcenroell mackry the best
ever do it And the reason why he's not gonna
be doing it is because he has COVID nineteen and
it's just annoying to me. It's annoying to me for
a couple of reasons. But it's annoying to me to
be like, we're still dealing with this shit and I
(40:05):
understand that it still exists and that the flu is serious.
The flu sucks. Being six sucks. But I just can't
believe that in twenty twenty three, the summer of twenty
twenty three, COVID nineteen is still preventing people from doing
their jobs. I picked up something from Yosemite over the
(40:27):
past week. I think it's a head cold or something.
I'm able to perform my job. But because I haven't
been diagnosed with COVID nineteen, I could do my work.
But we're three years removed from this. Doug.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, I mean, I would just tell you, like if
we actually went back and listened to what people said,
it's that this is something we're gonna have to always
sort of deal with, Like it's here. It feels like
it's here to stay, and it's the new normal. So
I was actually kind of mentally emotionally prepared for it.
I would also say that for McEnroe, it does feel like,
(41:03):
based upon the timeline, he'll be back for when these
matches actually really matter. But it sucks. It sucks. It
is here. It is until we can get immunized for it,
until we can you know, until they can find ways
to destroy it, or there is a if you want
to call it a flu, a vaccine for it, a
(41:24):
true vaccine for it. Then there's nothing we can do
except you know, treat it and be ready for it.
But yes, it sucks. This is unfortunately than normal. And
I think you know, those of us who are are
who are off of our political horses as to what
it means, you just realize that, like COVID's every I
(41:47):
have several friends who've just gotten it, and you know,
they do the same thing. They're move themselves, they get better,
and then they get on about their lives. So I
don't I don't blame him or fault him. I don't.
I don't think you're blaming your faulting anybody.
Speaker 7 (42:01):
It's just annoying. That sucks.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
It does suck.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
That So tonight the Golden Bachelor premiers, and and then
for those really into the Bachelor, Bachelor in Paradise is
going to follow it. So you have three hours of
the Bachelor franchise tonight. Now I know you'll be watching
college football, but Jesse Palmer is the host of The Bachelor.
(42:25):
Former Florida standout. I think he played a little bit
in the pros. He's pretty good as a host. I
have a lot of opinions about him as a host.
But anyways, he was asked, do you.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Have a lot of opinions about isn't this the place
to share it? Because I don't think he's great as
that host? Okay, good, that's Chris Harrison's seat. Nobody does
it as well as Chris Harrison.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Chris Harrison was the best is the best. And one
of the reasons why Chris Harrison was so great is
because he was so cheesy and he was so easy
to make fun of, and he would he would just
blatantly lie to us that the show is about falling
in love and all. I loved Chris Harrison, and I
didn't know how much I loved Chris Harrison until he
(43:03):
went away, and then you have you know, Jesse's just
kind of a stand in. But anyways, he was asked.
I think he was asked what NFL quarterback would be
the best bachelor, or he talked about Tom Brady being
a bachelor.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Do you think Tom Brady would be a great bachelor.
Speaker 8 (43:18):
He'd be legendary. And that's another one that would be
great because you could use all of his houses. I mean,
we literally could go international. You know, he's in La
he's driving his Rolls Royce suv around. He's got a
compound he's building in Miami. I'm sure the guy has
a place in con somewhere. That just sounds like exotic
dates overnights for me right away. So again, very budget
(43:39):
friendly Tom Brady would be good. There is the Irena
Shaikh issue, but if she's willing to kind of just
chill out, you know, just for a couple of months
of filming, I think we're I think we're solid.
Speaker 7 (43:51):
So I know he's it's tongue in chic, so I'm
not taking that at face value. But I will say this,
Tom Brady does not have to rely on The Bachelor
to do his own show. I see something that he
creates with his own production company called Brady the Bachelor.
It would be phenomenally popular ratings wise, and he could
(44:15):
handpick the women and all this stuff. He wouldn't be humiliated.
There wouldn't be a show set up to embarrass him
and the ladies that he might marry. There's no way
in hell that Tom Brady would sign up for something
where the last editorial what do you call that, having
say editorially isn't in his control. Tom Brady would be
(44:36):
an amazing Bachelor. He just needs to do it on
his own with his own production company.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Would Aaron Rodgers be a good basser?
Speaker 7 (44:46):
Yes, I think he would be great on the actual Bachelor.
Here's the problem. His brother, who I think he doesn't
talk to, did it. So I think he would be
like and I remember Aaron had a great response once
somebody went to him in the locker room and was like, hey,
your brother is a finalist on the Bachelor, and Aaron
like acted kind of coolest to it. And he's like, oh, okay,
(45:07):
we hope he wins the show. He just dismissed it.
Not I hope he finds his wife forever. But I
hope he wins the show.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, all right, who else is annoying you?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
No?
Speaker 7 (45:18):
That's it. So the Tom Brady concept, tongue in cheek,
John McEnroe and COVID nineteen and then people overreacting to
the Joe Montana tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I think people massively overreacting to it. Joe what and
how Joe Montana said? What he said is a nice.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
I do.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
That's because we can't.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
Jason Josh Jacobs showed up with the Raiders this week
and somebody put a microphone from him.
Speaker 9 (45:52):
I mean, shit, we hear shit. I mean I feel like,
you know, we made it happen, so it ain't no
horror feelers now. I mean I feel like, like I said,
we made it happen. So it's a clean slate with me.
It was never like really just like you know, no
hate on each side. I understudy, but at the same
time I understood my value too, So it was just
about meeting in the middle.
Speaker 7 (46:11):
It's a if you were to if your significant other
were to be like, hey, did you enjoy that?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
That?
Speaker 7 (46:18):
Are you enjoying this baby shower that I forced you
to come to? I think, shit, we're here is a
pretty good way to put it. Well, shit, we're here.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I love He's like meeting in the middle. They didn't
meet in the middle at all, not one bit, not
even close to meeting in the middle. Did you get
an extension? No? Did you get a raise? Not really.
They threw you a little change in terms of incentives.
That's not in the Maybe he needs a better like
map or understanding of what the middle actually is. Why
(46:47):
can we play that for you? Because we can't let's
get to our pick of the day. Okay, sir, the
bet is to you, baby.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's time for the pick.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Of the Pick of the day. Today we launch college football. Yeah,
college football is back and there's a big there's a
gigantic spread of games, really big spread of games. You know,
Utah is not going to have their starting quarterback yet
(47:21):
they're still a five point favorite over Florida. Minnesota is
a seven point favorite against Nebraska, both at home. But
I would point out that there's two other games I
have my eye on, and I think it's interesting. Wake
Forest opens up with Elon. Okay, Elon is very very
(47:43):
close to wake Forest, so it's a short trip over.
But it's interesting that Dave Clawson, who's an absolute offensive mastermind.
You know, he lost Sam Hartman, who got his extra
season of eligibility this COVID year, and he's at Notre Dame.
So Mitch Griffiths is the starting quarterback. He was also
the starting quarterback last year for the Demon Deacons, so
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it's not like he's never played. On the other hand,
they'll be without star wide receiver Donovan Green, who had
a knee injury the first day of practice, but they
do have a really really good crew. Elon is an
FBS school. FBS school that was eight and four last
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year and played in the playoffs, but they lost their
quarterback and they're gonna have Matthew Downing, who's played at
three different Division I schools, as their starting quarterback. I
just wake Forest is a dominant school against that level,
and they will win and they will cover. They're a
twenty eight and a half point favorite. I think Dave
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Classon's as good a coach as there is in the country.
I like wake Forest to win and to cover the
twenty eight and a half. The other game I got
my eye on is North Carolina State. Okay, North Carolina
State taking on Yukon. Brennan Armstrong is getting his first chance, Okay,
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to take on his old offensive coordinator when NC State
faces Yukon today in East Hartford, Okay. Armstrong played at
Virginia for five seasons. Hey and Rob Apney Robert Apney
at an A excuse me, Robin A was a genius
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offensive coordinator. Okay, Anne went to Syracuse where he was
now outside the offensive quarter and now he's at Yukon.
Yukon at home is a fourteen point dog. I like
Yukon to cover, especially if you can get fourteen in
a hook. So we'll take wake Forest as the big
home favorite and we'll take Yukon as the big home dog.
That's the pick of the day. All right. That's it
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for the end of the Bonus Podcast. My thanks to
John Jock Taylor, and for Jason Stewart for being annoyed
by so much. I'm Doug Gottlie.
All right, this.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in the Bonus with
Doug gottl.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show and the Bonus Fox Sports
Radio iHeartRadio app Welcome in, Okay. So if it's your
first time listening to the ind the Bonus podcast, you'll
know that basically, and as it plays out on the
on the iHeart Podcast network is this becomes what the
(00:33):
first hour, even though we do it the last hour,
all right, So when you download, you hear this first,
then you hear the rest of the radio show. So
basically this is like an our radio show, only we
can say and do whatever we want and we don't
have to take traditional breaks and it's a little bit
(00:54):
more free flowing. We do have something called what the
Fox Says, which is basically we play for you clips
really of the day on either Fox Sports Radio or
Fox Sports One, then I comment on it. We have
some other cool stuff we do, like Your Annoying where
Jason Stewart, who is annoyed by many, finds only a
couple to be annoyed by the On a daily basis,
(01:15):
we try and determine who's the most annoying person in
sports on Earth. And then we have something called because
we Can, where we play for you usually an audio
clip of somebody cursing many times with other innuendo, and
we can do it unedited because it's a podcast. What
we call it because we can. So that's a and
we have really good stuff today, And well, welcome into
(01:38):
John Jock Taylor of course four years okay cover the
Cowboys as a beat writer, columnist and a television insider
and radio host since nineteen ninety five. I believe that's
where he established his relationship with Dion Sanders. And he
spent all of last year in Jackson, Mississippi, with full
access to the program. And of course he's got a
(01:58):
new book coming out on the tenth of October, which
is called Coach Prime, Dion Sanders and the Making of Men.
John Jock Taylor joins us here in the bonus, How
did the discussion start about you writing this book? Like?
Was it you? Was it him? How did it start?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What? Really? How it started is uh. I have a
good relationship with Dion obviously from not just when he played,
because we were cool when he played. We actually got
to be much closer after he played, and I had
Sports Illustrated call me and say, hey, we really want
to do a story on Jackson State. We here you're
the guy to do it. You're available, so obviously you
(02:40):
don't turn down Sports Illustrated when a call. And so
I did a cover story on Dion last May and
Jackson State and bro. Two days later I got a
call from Hopper Collins and said, we just read your
story and side we love it. Would you consider doing
a book on Jackson State and Dion Sanders? And I go,
hell yeah. I called him up and it's what I
(03:03):
love about the I said, hey, let me tell you
what just happened to me. And it literally took him
three minutes to say, I got you whatever access you need,
you got, uh, just let me know. And it was
literally too many conversations and uh and that was it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
What's he like? What's you really like?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know? Man? What what We had a conversation one
time he was introducing me to somebody and he said,
this is my guy because none of for twenty eight
years and he ain't changed. And I would say, be honest,
is the same guy who who hadn't changed. But what
he's really like is, uh, he's all about honesty, and
he's all about loyalty. He's all about doing the right thing,
(03:50):
and to me, that's what that's why he's successful. He's
got more. He's the most distitute person. Him and my
father probably the most disciplined people I've ever met in
terms of they just do what they what they say
they're going to do, regardless of what anybody else thinks
about it or how difficult the task may be. The outsiders,
(04:11):
once they decide they're going to do something, they just
commit to it and do to do it. And that
level of consistency, to me is he passes because I
don't have it. I've tried it, and I've got disciplined
at a certain level. But like I said, him and
my father had a level it goes beyond normal dudes.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay, But the loyalty is interesting though, because you know
he he asked. He was asked, for example, the other
day about about Florida State, and he's like, you know
where I graduated from. My graduated from HBCU. But I'm like, look,
there's a lot of people that go like wait, wait,
Florida State is kind of part of what helped make
(04:51):
prime prime right, and yet there there would be people
that would defend the on like yeah, except for Dion
wanted the job and he didn't couldn't get the job,
and that's why he feels this way. He feels like
they were disloyal. What's the truth to the Florida state relationship?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And I don't know all the details, let's start with that,
but I will tell you that I believe he feels
like like he was misled about their intentions, like like,
this is my interpretation of it. My interpretation of it
is that he thought he was a real candidate to
get the job, and in essence, they didn't want to
(05:31):
give him the job. And so he's like, if you don't, again,
it's my interpretation. If you didn't want me to have
a head job, he just said that, you don't make
me think I'm going to get it. And then either
you want to make me a figurehead or you don't
really want me to have a head job, you just
want to use me to be as recruiter and all
these other things. Because anybody who knows it knows his
whole thing was I'm trying to he's trying to beat
(05:54):
the system. Okay, I'm trying to get a head job
without being an assistant, sure with Craney because nobody else
has been able to do it, and so to me,
I think that's where the disconnect with him in Florida
State is. And so when he said that, you know,
Bobby's question is why, because obviously he made his name
to Florida State, So for him to feel that way,
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there has to be a reason why he feels that way.
And I had a conversation with a friend of mine
yesterday by something else, but it relates to this. When
people get divorced, you can ask the man, hey, what
happened in the relationship, and he can give you his truth.
You can ask a woman, hey, what happened in the relationship.
She can give you her truth. They could each stick
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their hand on the Bible or whatever book they being holy,
and they each would be saying the truth because that's
the truth as they saw it and as they perceived it,
and as they lived it and as they believed it,
and they could be two totally different stories.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I totally understand that, feel that, and like again, I
relate to it because I was trying to get a
head coaching job without being insistent, completely completely get it,
and you know, interview to my Olna Manter didn't at it,
and but I you know, there is a there's an
element there where and and I like, I think that's
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why he went and stole Travis Hunter, right, because he
could have he god have gotten a lot of dudes,
but he went and got the guy that like the
number one commit that went to Florida State, And I think.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That made it. I think that made it sweeter. I
think he's tried to get Travis with such a talent
wherever he was, but I think it made it sweeter
that he went to Florida State.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
What was last season like, considering the success but also
the departure, it was really.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It was really really interesting. And I've told him this.
It's two things that stuck out to me. I've been
covering football since nineteen ninety five with the Cowboys, well
I consider kind of like the highest level because everybody's
trying to cover the Cowboys. And I still learned so
much about football last year that I had no clue
about it. So that's one thing. And two I went,
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I went in his office one day and I sat
down here and I said, do let me tell you
something you can gave me full access to this program.
You let me go wherever I want to go. I
can sit there on whatever meeting I want to sit
on whatever. I said, Dog, there's still a one hundred
things going on that I have no clue. About two,
two or three weeks later, he started laughing. He said,
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welcome to the head coaching world. And it just showed
me that, man, there's so much that these head coaches
have to go through and have to deal with on
a daily basis that it's really insane, you know, because
it's not just all your players you got, it's all
the coaches, there's all the coaching families, there's all the
support staff. It's I mean, it's a never ending gigs
and it can wear you out. Wore me out, and
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I wasn't even coaching.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
What about his health with his feet, with the blood clots.
How much does that take up his time and his energy?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Last year it took quite a bit, obviously, But you know, man,
he's a he's a bonafide workaholic. You can't say it
any other way. He's a bonterflywork a holly And they
have to really try to restrain and last they had
to really try to restrain try to keep him, you know,
so they gets his proper rest so that he can
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function at the highest possible levels. But again when we
talk about the mental tests, man, you know, his foot
was throbbed and he had to you know, he couldn't
really stand for a game because the foot would start throbbing.
He take pain callers, they'd wear off, you know, may
go through the play quarters. They had to sit on
the stool and some other stuff. But he had a
real commitment to the kids and the players that went
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beyond whatever was kind of good for him. And you know,
almost to a fault. You can be dedicated to a fault,
and sometimes he is. And other people have told him, like,
you got to relax, man, but he did not a relax.
He only knows how to go one way because he's
got single minded focus. And seriously, the same thing that
made him great in football and baseball in terms of
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being a dual sport athlete, that's the same thing that
ultimately that thing will help him be successful.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
They what, none of this surprises you because you've known him.
But when I pick up the book on the tenth
of October, what's gonna surprise me the most?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I think there's there's two things. One of them to
me is I went to UH I had talked to
some players one day, and as I was walking back
from talking to his end, I bumped into him. He
was outside sitting on the bench, and it was actually
one of the few times I'd seen him alone, and
I walked up to him, says, man, you were doing
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some great things around. He said, what's you taling about?
I said, I just talked to a couple of players
and they were just telling you some things. You'd better
help them mentally. He said, oh, hit there, he said
what they said? So I was telling him and said, well,
come to this thing they were doing at three o'clock
to day. I said, okay, what is that? He said,
just come and check it out. Well, what happened was
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he had some players with some mental health issues, ranging
from you know, any from depression to anxiety to dealing
with pressure, just whatever. Well, he would meet with them
every Thursday man at three o'clock, and, as he would say,
they would get neked. They would just talk about all
the things that were bothering them, whether it was girls
or whether it was family pressuring them about football. And
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he would talk about his frailties as a man when
he was an athlete, and how he found himself in
a bad spot and how he became you know, turned
his life to God. And what I remember most about
those meetings is they were about twelve thirteen players and
every Thursday, and the things that they would talk about,
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and how deep they would go in terms of really
being vulnerable amongst themselves and how they didn't mind telling
each other in those meetings. I love you, man, and
you know it. It was really cool to see a
bunch of college kids and Dianna and a couple of
other coaches really get in there and like I say,
kind of bear their souls on a weekly basis about
what was bothering them as men, not just athletes, but
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as men, and how if you get this part of
your life straight, your academics, your home life, your football life,
your athletic life will all be better. And so I
don't think many head coaches take time to do that
on a regular basis with a bunch of different players,
black players, white players, up the classmen, freshmen and really
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try to get to know them intimately so that you
can really help them be men and not players. And
that's really why the book is called Coach Prior Beyond
stands in the making of men, because it ain't just
about the football. We know he's got some Travis Hunters
out there, but hell, there's only gonna be one or
two players or three players from any programs going to
the league and have a real career. It's about those
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other ninety five percent of the guys that you worry about.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Will it work at Colorado?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Okay, here's my thing. I went up to a son
Shallow one day. He's a safety, played in South Carolina
before he came to Jackson State. I said, hey, dog,
why do his dad always win? And he was either
salat and he looked up at me, and as matter
of factly as you can say, he said, because he
always got the best players. I said, oh, okay. The
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reason I think ultimately he'll win in Colorado is one thing.
I think he'll be able to recruit recruit well enough
to compete and get his fair share of the best players.
And two, I think he's a really good coach. Now,
he's a walk around SEO coach. He spends his time
coaching coaches and then he'll come in and say, well
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on this scheme, What about this, who's accounting for the
tight end down the middle of this? Are we there?
You know? So he does that kind of stuff. But
I think ultimately his ability to recruit, his ability to
relate the players and coaches in the fact that it's
so demanding, I think ultimately they'll be able to get players.
And once he gets players, they win because in college football,
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to me, as a Buckeye, there's always about the players.
If you can recruit, you've got players, you know you're
in the hunt. And I think he'll be able to
do that because we period of time.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No question. If you have better players, you know nine
times and ten and you know what you're doing, you're
going to win. Is Colorado the ultimate landing spot?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Though, here's the deal man beyond a different kind of dudes.
This is my personal opinion. I think he could be
or was two things. One, I think he could be
very happy at Colorado, Okay, and here's why. And he'll
say this, So I ain't telling you nothing that if
you talk to him long enough, you haven't heard him
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say there's no job he can get that will change
his lifestyle. So he's not chasing money, he's chasing lifestyle.
He's an outdoors guy. He's a hunter. I mean he's
a fisherman. I don't know that he hunts all that much.
Loves to fish, loves nature. That's why every house he's
ever had, if it didn't have a pond, he built
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the man made lake up high in front of his house.
So Colorado is really a perfect sponsible in terms of
his mentality and what he likes out of life. And
so now that's one part of it. The other part
of it is and part of the reason why he
left Jackson State is he thought that the president at
the time, Thomas Hussin, was starting to mess with us.
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He doesn't. He just won't put up with it. If
he feels like you're not allowing him to be his best,
then he'll bounce because, as he said many many times,
I don't allow anything to disturb my peace. So if
you think, if he thinks that you're starting to work
against him, then then yeah, he'll leave. Because now I
understand this, but he ain't for everybody, right, He's really not.
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You have to have a certain mentality to work would
be on and couse this would be on because he's
been rich and powerful his whole life, right right, And
so people who are rich and powerful their whole life,
they have certain demands and they just don't relent on
him because that's the way they've known it for twenty
five thirty years. That's the way they built. Very demanding.
But and this is true, coach, a lot of coaches
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stay this, some of them actually living. He really doesn't
ask you to do anything more than he will do.
And so when the grounds crew didn't want to cut
the grass a certain way at Jackson State, that's what
he did. Man. He had his bride Lawn Moore hauled
over to Jackson State. And there's your head coach cutting
the grass himself, because when he needed to get done
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and he wanted it done a certain way, and so
he got it done him.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Sif it's amazing that that is amazing. You know, the
Jackson State things interesting because it reminds me it feels
like an old It feels like like the Olympics when
they leave one of these, or the World Cup and
it leaves one of these cities, right like you build
it up for Dion and yet now there's no Dion.
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And no matter no matter how good Jackson State is
in his stead, there won't be the attention, there won't
be the passion, and it will feel, you know, like
so one of those Brazilian stadiums from the last from
that World Cup that they're kind of empty and relics.
Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I think that's fair. Now, Jackson State's got a great
brand and great tradition, but there were people there who
understood that once he leaves, they ain't never going to
be the same. Right, we can live with what it
is because jack and State, like I said, they had
four Hall of famers in the pro Fooball Hall of Fame,
very great programs traditionally, but that thing the last two years,
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man three years when Dion was there, it was just
something wild. I mean, it's just wild. It really was,
like I would say, it really was like the Cowboys
in their heyday in the early nineties where they were
just rock stized wherever they went. It was like that
at Jackson State. And you're right, I don't think it'll
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love to be to that level again because Dion has
a charisma about it that can't be replicated. It just
can't be knowing you shouldn't, you shouldn't even try, and
a good thing about TC Taylor, the new coachy, Jackson stated,
he ain't trying to right, He's not trying to replicate
it or be like Dian and he's really trying to
be his own dude, which is hard because we all
know ain't nobody interested in being the man and follows
the man?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Right. That's that's incredibly, incredibly difficult. Speak of the Cowboys.
You covered them, obviously for over twenty years. This is
the first. This is you're coming out the first back
to back double digit win season since the Heyday. You
know of the of Ape beIN, of Irvin, of emmittt. Smith,
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of all those guys. But now you get to the Okay,
you gotta win playoff games. What's your feeling for for
Dak in terms of does he have it in him
to take them to the next step?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think so, but guess what, he got to go
through it. I think so, but he got to go
through it. I started with this with Dack Beak is
a great dude. Number one, Number two. He really is
a great leader. A lot of people get a nineteen
is great leaders and they're really not. And this is
all I like. This is what I like to tell
people when I talk about Dak as a leader. So
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you got Tony Romo, with the history of success Cowboys
starting quarterback. He breaks the bone in his back, Kellen
Moore breaks his leg. Dack, who's supposed to be, you know,
the third quarterback learning this year basically red shirting, gets
thrust into the starting job. He takes him to thirteen
and three. When Romo gets healthy. There's not a single
solitary player who says, oh, Romo should get his job back. Nobody,
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not his BSS Jason Witten, not his BFF, his other BFF,
the head coach, Jason Garrett, none of them. None of
them stood up and said Tony Romo should get the
job back. Because Dak is that kind of leader. He's
been a terrific player. And if you look at the numbers,
when the Cowboys quit lying to themselves and they put
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a roster around him that's capable of winning, they can win.
And here's what I mean, Bro, Dak is not the
kind of Dune who's gonna elevate you with his arm tablet.
He ain't that guy. Now I might ask you, Doug,
who's the who are those guys? There's uh Pat Maholmes,
there's probably Joe Burrow and Rogers still in that group.
(20:15):
I guess you can throw Justin Herbert in there if
you want to, although they ain't want no playoff games, yit.
But what I'm telling you is, and if you go
back a little further time, Brady was like that, Drew
Bridge was like that, what are those cats usually Hall
of fame quarterbacks? The guys we think will eventually get
to the Hall of Fame with their resume. Ain't nobody
ever said that about baking? So if you take Amark
Cooper away, why you and you give him a broke down?
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Michael Gallup with CEEDE Lamb, why are you surprised he
has a bad year? So they brought in Brandon Cooks.
They have CD Lamb. Michael Gallup is a year removed
from his ACL he's health and Tony Polloch is a
big play guy. And here's what I like about Mike McCarthy.
Collins plays. They've added some elements of the West Coast,
not the whole thing, but they've got some some crossing patterns,
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some turns and running catch and run things. Wide receivers
can make big plays where Dak doesn't have to do
at all. And this is what I saw in the
preseason that I promise you man, I haven't seen in
several years. Haunter Lumky, the full back North Dakota rookie,
cut a pass in the flat walk five yards into
the ends, one untouched. It was a screen. It was
a schemed up touchdown. Cowboys haven't had many of those.
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They beat their guys one on one. We both in touchdowns.
They haven't had any plays where they scheme a touchdown
at any level over the last several years. The way
their offense was constructed. Now they're adding some schemes in there.
And if dak will throw it to the running backs
and let them do some of the heavy lifting, the
big players will come and they'll win.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It's interesting, though, because Kellen Moore has such a good
reputation and yet no, you're.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Right, you're right. And here's the difference. Though, we're being
very nuanced about this, right, it's right when we talk
about the best running backs, immit and Barriy. Okay, they
both great, but now which one is the greatest. Tell
them Moore's offense. Ain't nothing wrong with Tellamore's offense if
you have great players. So they got really good talent
with the Chargers. His offense is going to score it
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close to thirty points this year. The problem is his
offense requires guys to win their one on one battle.
If you can't win your one on one battle, your
offense is trash in that scheme, which is why when
the Cowboys had one really good receiver last year, the
offense was trash. You didn't have enough guys who could
win the one on one battle. We had Mark Cooper
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the year before with Michael Gallup and cd Land, offense
was tuition. But in the playoffs against San Francisco two
years in row, they can shut that crap down. So
now it's Mike McCarthy and back beat Philly or San Francisco.
And the way to do it is Cowboys need to
win the division so that to get a home game,
another game and to the Super Bowl. Uh. You know,
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but I think if he gives back an opportunity, I
don't think he'll be scared of the moment, and I
think he'll put you in a position to win.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
John jack Man, this has been awesome. This has been
so good, so educational. By the way, for people, if
you didn't didn't hear at when we first started talking. Okay,
this is important to note. Okay, you can go and
put it in your queue if you will. On the
tenth of October, the new book drops Coach Prime, Dion
Sanders and the Making. Amen. By the way, have you
done the audible book the audiobook yet?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Somebody's doing it? But yeah, why aren't you doing it?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Why aren't you doing it?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Man? I ain't got the kind of pipes.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes you do. It's perfect. It should be in your voice,
don't you think.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Let me check check us out, HarperCollins. Those some good people.
They decided somebody else was better than me. This is
my I've written a couple of other books, but dude,
I considered this is my first real book, and so
I decided to be a good, good player and be
very coachable and let them lead the way on this
particular one. Uh. Now we're talking about another book, and uh,
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I think we're gonna get it done. You just need
to stop the ads and crossing t's. And once they
get done, they don't let me do the aud audio
on network?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
All right? Well, I like I like it. I mean,
I mean your style and your voice comes through, and
your writing. I just personally thought it would come through
well in the book as well. So maybe what the
wait for the say a dog a couple of times?
Why can't you say dog? That's I mean, that's it's
like real and how you speak It's okay, I say
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dude all the time. And then when around my kids,
and then when around my kids, I say like too often,
like you know, like, and I'm like, why did I
That's not how I speak? Like, yeah, that's how you talk.
Because when you're writing your kids, that's what you do.
Right when you're your friends, you say dog or you
say dude. I say dude too much. So that's the
way it works. All right, Let's catch up soon. I
appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Thankful. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
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Speaker 3 (25:00):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now say.
Here's Dan Patrick from The Dan Patrick Show on the
predictability of college football.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I think we thought, oh, other schools are going to
have money, They're going to be able to compete with
Alabama and Georgia. But Alabama and Georgia have been dominating
before nil, and they're going to continue to dominate after nil.
But we do know sort of the ending. Now you
can say, well, you watch Mission Impossible. You know Tom
Cruise isn't going to die. You don't know how he's
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not going to die, or Born Identity or some of
these other shows where franchises where you go, yeah, I
know kind of what's going to happen here at the
very end. And college football is sort of formulaic here
it does feel scripted. I mean, we don't know how
it ends. From the standpoint of does Georgia win the
national title? We got a pretty good idea Georgia will
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play for the national title or be in the final four.
So you do have a different script. It's written each year,
but it sort of has the star surviving, you know,
to do another movie. There's usually one story each year
where you go Cincinnati or you go TCU Boise State
back in the day that you'll have an outlier. But
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when you get to twelve schools, does that bring parody?
Is that make it more interesting or just it's going
to take a little bit longer for Georgia or Alabama
to win the national title.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
It's a great question. The answer is very likely that
we will have, you know, more SEC schools, more Big
ten schools, and thus more opportunities for those leagues to
claim to be better when we think they're better, and
there'll be some confirmation biased with it. On the other hand,
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this is important to note that the more of a
tournament format you make, the more you're going to have
some of these outlier results. Right. I mean, even if
you take into account last year in TCU, right Michigan,
go look at how well Michigan actually played or how
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if not for the turnovers, Michigan wins that game. Michigan
was better than TCU personnel wise, and yet they couldn't
get up from Ohio State nearly beat Georgia. I don't
think the difference is as great. Where the difference is
great between the schools is or the SEC and others
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is in the attrition. Right in the attrition, here's where
the SEC, and I think to a lesser extent, the
Big Ten will do well and do even better once
we get into the new look of the conferences. There's
just a certain reality to college football and the success
of teams. Is not necessarily just about your starters, right
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your starters versus their starters. You could easily make the case, yeah,
SEC is gonna have better players. The real difference is
in the depth. It's so hard to have any sort
of quality depth in college football because in order to
get a kid to come off the bench, he's got
to believe that one he's got to be paid like
a starter, and two he's got to believe that ultimately
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he will be a starter. And the schools that can
do that are the ones that are really well funded. Alabama,
off the bench, they have all American. After all, American
as opposed to the TCUs of the world, don't have
that kind of depth. So they have to compete in
the playoffs and to really really make a push for
a next championship, they have to be healthy enough come
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that part of the time in the season. If you're
gonna have a three game playoff for some of these teams,
you're just gonna get beaten up. And eventually you get
to a place to where you're so beaten up that
your two's are competing against their twos, and their twos
are a lot better than yours. So to answer Dan's question. Yeah,
I think the Bama's and the Georgia's in the Ohio States,
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and ultimately the Clemsons, I think they'll always be at
or near the top. I don't think that's unreasonable. But
I also think that there's a reality of tournament format
play where you're gonna have some upsets, especially in early games,
even if ultimately once you get to the semis and finals,
because of the tradition, because of the because of all
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the attrition, you end up having the best or deepest
teams end up winning. This is Brady Quinn talking about
his the comments made by Colts GM Chris Ballard regarding
the Jonathan Taylor situation.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
You don't hear many people in that hive a position
in any industry publicly say something sucks as much as
Chris Ballard just did there, who, by the way, is
really good at his job. He's a really good guy.
Like I believe that, like deep in my heart, he
does have the best intentions. But as you heard, or
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deep in my heart, man, I care deeply about these plays.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Did you use that because that was a.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Because he's now making up it's so obvious with the
messaging that he just get put out there that he's
putting this on Jim Irsay without saying it. And he's
basically saying, like, look, this relationship is damaged because of
something that our owner said. And oh, by the way,
I care about these guys, right like, like, he's making
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it known that he's got a relationship with him that's
very different than not what the owner has. And and
I'd argue with anyone like people can say like, oh,
it's about money. Okay, Well look let's see. Let's see
if the Colts don't offer Jonathan Taylor then an extension,
and let's see if he ends up taking it. Because
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if they do, okay, it was all just about money.
But if they do, or if they end up trading
them on, then clearly they're both admitting that they just
need to go the separate ways.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's really hard, and this is one of the reasons
that you have agents. This is one of the reasons
that private discussions about contracts should remain private discussions about contracts.
Those two things hop out of me. And I do
think that there's Jonathan Taylor took it personally, and so
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too did Jim Ersay. And there are two men who
probably are too prideful to point out that they've made
mistakes and the things that they've said to the people
that they sent them to. And I think that legitimately
Chris Ballard wants to keep Jonathan Taylor, wants him to play,
He wants him to be a cult for as long
as he can be a cult. All these things can
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be true, But at the end of the day, at
the end of the day, I do think that what
Jonathan Taylor has to understand is the landscape of the
sport in which he plays is also the business of
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the sport he plays. And you just got to be very,
very ego free in how you commit to doing business.
What's best for Jonathan Taylor, what's best for him probably
is to play football. You know, if you don't play
football all year long, coming off of the list after
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the week four, your value is not going to be
as high. It just isn't. And then, of course, if
when you play football, if you don't play to your
fullest capability, your value is not going to be as high.
Does it suck, I'm sure it does. I'm sure it's not.
Something that he wants to do is play on a
contract which is not commensurate with where he believes he
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should be. But these are the rules of the CBA. This,
this is the power that teams have, and if in
fact he does want to be moved in the off season,
being a malecontent is not the way to do it.
And there's just kind of the reality to the sport
and reality to where they all stand. This is Keshawn
Johnson talking about a cliff from Hard Knocks where Aaron
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Rodgers and Randall Cobb talk about talk about the Giants
defensive lineman.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Go back to the hit Rando Cobb was completely in
the wrong. Okay, my entire career, my entire career, I
probably was known as the best blocking wide receiver you
ever saw.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I would never do that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I don't remember exactly that. No, no, totally.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
All you got to do is poll with thirty two
head coaches of general manager across the League's get okay,
but I would never do that. It was completely illegal.
All Cob had to do was flash in front of
the dude to swing down so well, he says, you
can hear you, and all I blacked out. I don't know, Yeah, okay,
sure I blacked out.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Great, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
You could hurt somebody, they're not paying attention, they're running,
would blash anything. Okay, let's move on from that. And
you talk about the Ward incident. You say, well, who's
wrong there? Well, Aaron Rodgers. First of all, man, he
barely touched you. Barely touch you. Now you saying to
him you want confrontation with him? Respect? Show some respect.
Oh so now you're the league, you're the shield. Show
(34:19):
respect what you're talking about? Show respect? He barely touched you.
So Aaron Rodgers completely and the wrong. And I get it.
Trash talk is one of my favorite things when I play.
You can go back and forward. You can tell it dude,
google meet, you can tell a dude what type of
shoes you wearing, you can say all those sorts of things.
I'm okay with that. But then when you say show
some respect, it's like, all right, man whatever at the
(34:40):
end of the day. So I think Cobb is wrong
and Aaron Rodgers is wrong for coming at him like that.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, I Keishun's out of his mind here, right, he
just is right. It's the it wasn't that. What's she
HUD's last name? First of all, the dude has to
walk around with his name Jihad. That's not easy considering
the connotations that everybody thinks of the word gihad ward right.
(35:10):
But the crazy part about it is I think the
rest of the world sees Aaron Rodgers is incredibly likable
through both clips. Do you know? And oh yeah, by
the way, this is the don't you know who I am?
Don't you know? I don't know who you are? I
think I loved it, loved it, And he's right, it's
(35:31):
not a real game. It's a preseason game. It wasn't
It wasn't like he had just thrown the ball. You
don't touch a quarterback. You do show some respect. It's
a preseason game. I couldn't agree with it more. And
for Rando Cop, they were all giving him the business
like what are you doing? What are you doing? So
(35:52):
I look at those clips the same way I think
most of America does. Where like I told you before
Hard Knocks started, it's gonna make the Jets likable. I
don't understand people trying to act like Hard Knocks is
a bad thing or a distracting thing. It's not. It's
never been. Every team who's ever been on it makes
(36:12):
fans after being on it. That's the beauty to it.
We get onto the Florida Gators documentary because it feels
like a fluff piece, doesn't this as well? Of course
it does, of course it does. That's the Fox It say.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
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Speaker 3 (36:43):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart And now
it's your annoying? What do you got, Jason?
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Doug has been a while, I've got a lot of
pent up frustration here. How about first and foremost, let's
go to the people overreacting to Joe Montana being an
annoying population of people today. So Joe Montana went on
men's health. He did in magazine interview people still read magazines,
(37:17):
and he was asked who the best quarterback of all
time is? His quote was put Marino in today's Today's Game,
Dan Reno where he gets free release and his receivers,
holy cow, weren't very big. He says, the best of
all time is Dan Marino. Notice he didn't say the
(37:41):
greatest of all time. He didn't say the most accomplished
of all time. Neither of those are true. He said
the best of all time. In other words, from Joe
Montana's viewpoint, Dan Marino is the best ever sling it
and I think that carries a lot of weight. But
the reaction on social media has been some big diss
as it should, by the way, correct and and this
(38:05):
is some diss on on the goat Tom Brady. But
I think we're talking about two different things, being the
best at something and the greatest at something, and I
think are two different words.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Correct, And think about this sacrifice and ego. It says
from Joe Montana, who was considered the greatest quarterback of
all time before Tom Brady, to now say, hey, you
know who is also awesome? Was Dan Reno? Like no
one ever considers that. So I'm with you, and we
hear what we want to hear. Even the headline that
(38:36):
I've seen is completely deceiving from what he said in
the comments. He doesn't say the great the best of
all time? Does he mean I read it? He just
he points out that his skill set, what he did
and how he played. Imagine if he didn't have small
wide receivers. Imagine if guys got free releases the way
(38:58):
they did. Now, imagine if you couldnt hit the quarterback.
It's a great point. So, yes, we always want to
find want to find a negative in somebody's positive comment.
If there's any negative here, it'd be a negative towards
himself because most people that cover the game would have
(39:20):
set up to this point, would have said that in
that era and previous to Tom Brady, it was Joe Montana,
not Dan Reno that was considered the best of the
greatest of all time because of the winning. So if
you want to find additional positivity, it's not just in
what he's saying about Dan Reno, but what he's saying
(39:40):
about himself. What else?
Speaker 7 (39:44):
You know? The US Open is on right now, and
you know who's not broadcasting John Mcenroell mackry the best
ever do it And the reason why he's not gonna
be doing it is because he has COVID nineteen and
it's just annoying to me. It's annoying to me for
a couple of reasons. But it's annoying to me to
be like, we're still dealing with this shit and I
(40:05):
understand that it still exists and that the flu is serious.
The flu sucks. Being six sucks. But I just can't
believe that in twenty twenty three, the summer of twenty
twenty three, COVID nineteen is still preventing people from doing
their jobs. I picked up something from Yosemite over the
(40:27):
past week. I think it's a head cold or something.
I'm able to perform my job. But because I haven't
been diagnosed with COVID nineteen, I could do my work.
But we're three years removed from this. Doug.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, I mean, I would just tell you, like if
we actually went back and listened to what people said,
it's that this is something we're gonna have to always
sort of deal with, Like it's here. It feels like
it's here to stay, and it's the new normal. So
I was actually kind of mentally emotionally prepared for it.
I would also say that for McEnroe, it does feel like,
(41:03):
based upon the timeline, he'll be back for when these
matches actually really matter. But it sucks. It sucks. It
is here. It is until we can get immunized for it,
until we can you know, until they can find ways
to destroy it, or there is a if you want
to call it a flu, a vaccine for it, a
(41:24):
true vaccine for it. Then there's nothing we can do
except you know, treat it and be ready for it.
But yes, it sucks. This is unfortunately than normal. And
I think you know, those of us who are are
who are off of our political horses as to what
it means, you just realize that, like COVID's every I
(41:47):
have several friends who've just gotten it, and you know,
they do the same thing. They're move themselves, they get better,
and then they get on about their lives. So I
don't I don't blame him or fault him. I don't.
I don't think you're blaming your faulting anybody.
Speaker 7 (42:01):
It's just annoying. That sucks.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
It does suck.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
That So tonight the Golden Bachelor premiers, and and then
for those really into the Bachelor, Bachelor in Paradise is
going to follow it. So you have three hours of
the Bachelor franchise tonight. Now I know you'll be watching
college football, but Jesse Palmer is the host of The Bachelor.
(42:25):
Former Florida standout. I think he played a little bit
in the pros. He's pretty good as a host. I
have a lot of opinions about him as a host.
But anyways, he was asked, do you.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Have a lot of opinions about isn't this the place
to share it? Because I don't think he's great as
that host? Okay, good, that's Chris Harrison's seat. Nobody does
it as well as Chris Harrison.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Chris Harrison was the best is the best. And one
of the reasons why Chris Harrison was so great is
because he was so cheesy and he was so easy
to make fun of, and he would he would just
blatantly lie to us that the show is about falling
in love and all. I loved Chris Harrison, and I
didn't know how much I loved Chris Harrison until he
(43:03):
went away, and then you have you know, Jesse's just
kind of a stand in. But anyways, he was asked.
I think he was asked what NFL quarterback would be
the best bachelor, or he talked about Tom Brady being
a bachelor.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Do you think Tom Brady would be a great bachelor.
Speaker 8 (43:18):
He'd be legendary. And that's another one that would be
great because you could use all of his houses. I mean,
we literally could go international. You know, he's in La
he's driving his Rolls Royce suv around. He's got a
compound he's building in Miami. I'm sure the guy has
a place in con somewhere. That just sounds like exotic
dates overnights for me right away. So again, very budget
(43:39):
friendly Tom Brady would be good. There is the Irena
Shaikh issue, but if she's willing to kind of just
chill out, you know, just for a couple of months
of filming, I think we're I think we're solid.
Speaker 7 (43:51):
So I know he's it's tongue in chic, so I'm
not taking that at face value. But I will say this,
Tom Brady does not have to rely on The Bachelor
to do his own show. I see something that he
creates with his own production company called Brady the Bachelor.
It would be phenomenally popular ratings wise, and he could
(44:15):
handpick the women and all this stuff. He wouldn't be humiliated.
There wouldn't be a show set up to embarrass him
and the ladies that he might marry. There's no way
in hell that Tom Brady would sign up for something
where the last editorial what do you call that, having
say editorially isn't in his control. Tom Brady would be
(44:36):
an amazing Bachelor. He just needs to do it on
his own with his own production company.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Would Aaron Rodgers be a good basser?
Speaker 7 (44:46):
Yes, I think he would be great on the actual Bachelor.
Here's the problem. His brother, who I think he doesn't
talk to, did it. So I think he would be
like and I remember Aaron had a great response once
somebody went to him in the locker room and was like, hey,
your brother is a finalist on the Bachelor, and Aaron
like acted kind of coolest to it. And he's like, oh, okay,
(45:07):
we hope he wins the show. He just dismissed it.
Not I hope he finds his wife forever. But I
hope he wins the show.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, all right, who else is annoying you?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
No?
Speaker 7 (45:18):
That's it. So the Tom Brady concept, tongue in cheek,
John McEnroe and COVID nineteen and then people overreacting to
the Joe Montana tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I think people massively overreacting to it. Joe what and
how Joe Montana said? What he said is a nice.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
I do.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
That's because we can't.
Speaker 7 (45:46):
Jason Josh Jacobs showed up with the Raiders this week
and somebody put a microphone from him.
Speaker 9 (45:52):
I mean, shit, we hear shit. I mean I feel like,
you know, we made it happen, so it ain't no
horror feelers now. I mean I feel like, like I said,
we made it happen. So it's a clean slate with me.
It was never like really just like you know, no
hate on each side. I understudy, but at the same
time I understood my value too, So it was just
about meeting in the middle.
Speaker 7 (46:11):
It's a if you were to if your significant other
were to be like, hey, did you enjoy that?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
That?
Speaker 7 (46:18):
Are you enjoying this baby shower that I forced you
to come to? I think, shit, we're here is a
pretty good way to put it. Well, shit, we're here.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I love He's like meeting in the middle. They didn't
meet in the middle at all, not one bit, not
even close to meeting in the middle. Did you get
an extension? No? Did you get a raise? Not really.
They threw you a little change in terms of incentives.
That's not in the Maybe he needs a better like
map or understanding of what the middle actually is. Why
(46:47):
can we play that for you? Because we can't let's
get to our pick of the day. Okay, sir, the
bet is to you, baby.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
It's time for the pick.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Of the Pick of the day. Today we launch college football. Yeah,
college football is back and there's a big there's a
gigantic spread of games, really big spread of games. You know,
Utah is not going to have their starting quarterback yet
(47:21):
they're still a five point favorite over Florida. Minnesota is
a seven point favorite against Nebraska, both at home. But
I would point out that there's two other games I
have my eye on, and I think it's interesting. Wake
Forest opens up with Elon. Okay, Elon is very very
(47:43):
close to wake Forest, so it's a short trip over.
But it's interesting that Dave Clawson, who's an absolute offensive mastermind.
You know, he lost Sam Hartman, who got his extra
season of eligibility this COVID year, and he's at Notre Dame.
So Mitch Griffiths is the starting quarterback. He was also
the starting quarterback last year for the Demon Deacons, so
(48:06):
it's not like he's never played. On the other hand,
they'll be without star wide receiver Donovan Green, who had
a knee injury the first day of practice, but they
do have a really really good crew. Elon is an
FBS school. FBS school that was eight and four last
(48:26):
year and played in the playoffs, but they lost their
quarterback and they're gonna have Matthew Downing, who's played at
three different Division I schools, as their starting quarterback. I
just wake Forest is a dominant school against that level,
and they will win and they will cover. They're a
twenty eight and a half point favorite. I think Dave
(48:48):
Classon's as good a coach as there is in the country.
I like wake Forest to win and to cover the
twenty eight and a half. The other game I got
my eye on is North Carolina State. Okay, North Carolina
State taking on Yukon. Brennan Armstrong is getting his first chance, Okay,
(49:08):
to take on his old offensive coordinator when NC State
faces Yukon today in East Hartford, Okay. Armstrong played at
Virginia for five seasons. Hey and Rob Apney Robert Apney
at an A excuse me, Robin A was a genius
(49:28):
offensive coordinator. Okay, Anne went to Syracuse where he was
now outside the offensive quarter and now he's at Yukon.
Yukon at home is a fourteen point dog. I like
Yukon to cover, especially if you can get fourteen in
a hook. So we'll take wake Forest as the big
home favorite and we'll take Yukon as the big home dog.
That's the pick of the day. All right. That's it
(49:50):
for the end of the Bonus Podcast. My thanks to
John Jock Taylor, and for Jason Stewart for being annoyed
by so much. I'm Doug Gottlie.
Host
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