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August 31, 2023 43 mins

On the Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug tells you why college football is the most American sport there is and how much it is still adored. 

Doug talks about the Colts' situation with star running back Jonathan Taylor and what is going to happen next. 

Doug weighs in on the Joe Montana comments about Dan Marino.  Former NFL Quarterback Danny Kanell joins Doug to talk about Dan Marino, quarterbacking, and to preview the college football season. 

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(00:48):
the other Man. Danny Canell will join us later on
this hour. We'll get you ready for college football, which
kicks off in earnest tonight. I know we had weeks
zero last weekend, but we get an sec Pac twelve
soon to be Big twelve show down. We have a
big ten conference game. We got a lot of stuff,
a lot of stuff going on plus more discussion about
the Jonathan Taylor situation. Now the details will come out

(01:10):
of who was actually interested and what actually went down,
But from the mouth of the general manager of the
Indianapolis Colts and a good friend of mine, Josh Lucas,
who's a former director player personnel for the Bears, will
join us. We'll ask him about the realities of this week. Right,
he used to run the Bears personnel department and get
his sense of, like, what's really going on with these

(01:32):
teams as it's not just that you had to cut
guys from your roster, but you have, you know, thirty
one other rosters to check out, and we have the
potential for Jonathan Isner playing his last tennis match at
the US Open, right, And you're like, Jonathan is there.
He's the gigantic dude who played the like three day
long match. You remember that, Jay Stu like he's one

(01:52):
of the like five tennis players. You don't know much
about the sport, but you're like, I remember when that happened.
You remember when that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I do, I do remember that happened.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's crazy, crazy, Nick Cup.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
You were there, yes that I was there for the
final day I was there for the final hour for
the conclusion of it.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It was a two day match, right.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
It was.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
It was three They played three hours, they played three hours,
they went on late, had had to call it due
to light the sun fading. They played seven hours the
second day again go run into darkness, and they came
back and played another hour on the final day. So
I think it was just under eleven hours when it
was all said and done.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's crazy. Can you imagine playing like like No matter
how much you love playing your sport, can you imagine
playing your sport for that that long in one match
or one game?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
No, it's ludicrous.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
And that's why all the Grand Slams changed their rules
in the final set so you don't have to win
by two games anymore. There's varying degrees depending on which
Grand Slam your hat. But there will be a tiebreaker,
so we don't have anything going into the sixties in
the fifth set.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Again, well, he's in a tiebreaker right now at five
five in the in the fifth set, so we'll keep
an eye on it. It's now five to six, excuse me,
in the fifth set. More on that to come. You know,
I was thinking earlier today. I know it's a very

(03:25):
grand thought for me. Tonight kicks off college football in
ernest and I know there's some games last weekend, but
it's like Notre Dame playing in Ireland feels very Notre damey,
but also feels not real in terms of college football.
We have games kicking off tonight on campus. And it

(03:46):
dawned on me that I could make the case and
I will to you that college football is the most
American thing we do, right because I'm not sitting here
telling you that there's not some smoke come from the house,
that the house is in fact on fire. You know,

(04:07):
we have the conference realignment. You know, we have conference
re alignment, We have the NIL, the transfer portal, we
have all these things that happen around the game. On
the other hand, how unique is it that there's a
sport where first it's like a holiday. In any college

(04:33):
town you go to, it's a we're all looking for
a reason to party, a place to go, a thing
to do. And that's what it's become. You know, instead
of setting our lives and our calendars around the actual holidays,
this is you know, six to eight weekends a year
that we make a pilgrimage to these small college towns

(04:54):
and we create a holiday where one didn't previously exist.
It's a sport where there's a small town in South
Carolina where a successful program has a bunch of guys
take a bus around a stadium, get out of that bus,
walk in, touch a rock, and run down a hill.

(05:14):
And that's a cool tradition. There's another small town in
Virginia that's been successful, whose players come out to a
Metallica song and it's synonymous with the school of the
team and the sport. Think about the tradition of the
program that you love, that you watch, that you grew

(05:34):
up enjoying or rooting for. Think about that, and then
think about how odd in many ways that tradition actually is.
You know, and we saw Nebraska last night with the
ninety two thousand people watching volleyball. But that stadium becomes
the second biggest city in the entire state of Nebraska
on college game day Saturdays, and for what reason, they

(05:57):
haven't been good in fifteen to two twenty years, right,
And yet every year that place is packed with fans
that grow up, that show up and wear overalls and
hats that have corn cobs on them. Out west, you
have a guy riding a trojan horse, or what we

(06:18):
think a trojan horse might look like, wearing an outfit
of what we would guess a warrior in Troy would
look like, though there's no real connection to anything having
to do with the ancient Empire of Troy. And yet
this is all very normal, and every year, every year,

(06:44):
we get ready for and cheer for those same man
made traditions that happen for some bizarre reason, and yet
we've embraced and it makes us feel warm, it makes
us feel comfortable. It's a lot like like the family
gathering and family get togethers, where sure there's a lot
of outside stuff and storylines and reasons why you know,

(07:06):
in traveling with kids that make it make it harder
than it should be. We got, we got all that,
but at the end of it, there is something warm
and comforting knowing that there's family around. College football is
at its core awesome and is at its core American.
There is what others feel for their soccer team, we

(07:30):
feel for our college football team, and knowing it's not
the highest level of the sport, it's not even close
to the highest level of the sport, we, as matter
of fact, make excuses for the lack of quality of
play in comparison to higher levels of sports, because, eh,
they're college kids, even though many of them don't actually

(07:53):
go to college anymore. They may take courses, but they
never step foot on campus. Thing is bizarre in some
fashion and yet enjoyable because we just, you know, we
leave it. We simply leave it to the gods to

(08:15):
decide who wins and who loses. And we love the
tradition of it, the feel of it, the comfort of it.
You know, why do you cheer for a school. You
may have gone to that school. Your grandpa, your mom,
your dad may have gone to that school, or it
just may have been the school that's in your area
that you cheered for your entire life. And though we
destroy so many of the traditional rivalries, the traditional way

(08:37):
things are done, the actual traditions themselves within each campus
still seem to remain the same, with new ones at
it every year. Is there anything better than college football?
The answer is now, Is it screwed up? The answer
is yes. And yet despite that, who's not excited for
a beginning? Who's not excited for a beginning? So here's

(09:00):
the college football in all of its glory, in all
of its backwardness, and all of its bizarre traditions and
things that started in yesteryear that we still do and
cheer for and root for today. I love college football.
I just really really do. And some parts of me
don't know why, right, but a lot of it does.

(09:24):
Love it. Like we cheer for kids as they walk
across campus. We have traditions where simply guys are walking
to and fro and we label it the walk. What
if you step outside of self? If you're not from
this country, if you're not into the college thing, you
don't understand it. But to those of us that do

(09:46):
and embrace it and love it, watch it's so cool,
so cool. By the way, John Isner lost what will
be his last match, I believe he'll now be a
pickleball all American. More on that to come. Nick Cope's
gonna give us the update at half past the hour.

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(10:35):
that go? Jay s dou?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh my god, do you have a couple hours?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I know, but I have radio time.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
So for our for our fiftieth For my girlfriend's fiftieth birthday,
my hot girlfriend Christina's fiftieth birthday, I bought her a
hike to Half Dome and to go up and scale
Half Dome, which is if you google it, it's one
of the more challenging hikes in the country. And it's
unique because it's not just a mountain that you go

(11:05):
to the top of. You have to scale these cables
that are on the side of basically a cliff to
get up to the top. After a nine minute hike,
a nine mile hike. Because it was for her birthday,
and because I had paid the expense to do it
and we got a tour guide and everything else, I
did it. I got to the top of Half Dome.
I have the pictures to prove it. But as I

(11:27):
was telling John earlier, it was the worst human experience
of my life. I've never been through more hell embody
and mind than because four miles in to a nine
mile ascent, my body told me it was done and

(11:48):
I had to somehow, and and a half mile from
the top, I just about passed out and my girlfriend
was giving me the boxing referee thing like you're done,
you know, because the last half my was the toughest.
You're going directly up narrow steps that are slippery, and
then you have to get to scale these cables to
get to the top. But I wasn't going to come

(12:11):
back to work and go on national radio and tell
Doc Gottlieb that I couldn't make it to the top
of Half Dome. So something in me willed me to
the top of that and I can't even a week later, Doug,
I can't say that it was worth it because I'm
still in pain, my body aches, i have a leg injury,

(12:31):
I brought something my lung hasn't recovered. But anyways, I
did it. I got to the peak at Half Dome.
It's something that no one will ever be able to
take away from me. And happy birthday, Christina.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
I mean, why did your body? Like how bad is shape?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Are you in that's the problem. Doug, the tour guide,
had sent us a checklist of things that you should
train to do, and my girlfriend and I laughed at it, like, oh,
that's they're just covering their own behind because they don't
want to be sued if you die. I should have
done every single thing and more. Because I'm fifty, I'm
a good twenty pounds overweight. I was out of shape.

(13:12):
My body was not prepared for that hike, and that's
why I was so pissed off at myself. I spent
the nine miles coming down, which by far was the
hardest part of the hike, pissed off at myself for
not being in better shape. I was just I was
so mad at the world. So that's the answer to question.
I was not. I wasn't prepared, but somehow I did it.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
But Doug let me say, really fast, Jason, tell them though,
Jason did inspire people though at the hike, and tell
them what happened about those younger guys. Jase, I think
it's inspiring.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I think they say that once you get to the
cables at the top, people make it there, but once
they see the cables and how intimidated. It is. It's
directly straight up. Like three out of eight people, I guess,
scale it, and the other five like turn around and
go back or just stay at the cables. So there
were four guys in their twenties just like sitting there

(14:06):
at the cables looking up as we walked past them,
and then saw a couple of fifty year olds scale
it with the cables, and then I look back and
they're right behind us. They had told us no way,
we're going up, and so we kind of inspired some
twenty somethings, but again it was living hell. Doug, you've

(14:27):
done this. You're an athlete. When you put your body,
when you take your body to the limit, to your
threshold athletically, most of us say, okay, we're done. Pushing
past that limit? Is I think where the special like
amazing greatness is of our athletes. It was the hardest
thing I'd ever done physically. At fifty years old, I

(14:50):
had never done anything even close to that heart.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
So why don't you feel good about it? I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Ask me in a week and I will. I'm in
too much pain right now. I feel good about it,
But yeah, I think I'm getting around to the fact
that I'm going to I'm going to start bragging about it.
But I really haven't been boastful because it was the
most humble experience of my life. I thought I might
I might pass away.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
You did not pass away. You are You are back here.
That's that's good. That is a really really good thing.
All right, Well, good to have you back, and good
to thank you be back. Speaking of back, the Colts
have Jonathan Taylor back. Are still you know, still part
of their roster, although he's on the physically unable to

(15:34):
perform list. Here's their general manager Chris Ballard talking about
how things have gone down with their start running back
this summer.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
You picture like, oh, this is just everything's okay.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Now. It sucks.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
It sucks for the Colts, it sucks for Jonathan Taylor,
and it sucks for our fans. And relationships are repairable.
When guys get a mo and take a stance, you
got to have some you know, you've got to be
able to work through those.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
My takeaway on it is that this is this is
with any business, but sports especially, and I think part
of it is people know how much you make. There's
also an ego involved in any sort of negotiation for salary,
but especially professional salaries where you know how much other
people at your position makes. And I think this is

(16:34):
Chris Ballard clearly putting himself in the Hey, I'm not
Jim irsay. I'm not in Jim rsay, not at all. Hey,
not in any way. But I'm not completely siding with you.
And it's an effort to get him to play for
the Colts. And I think, like Jonathan Taylor is in

(16:57):
a position where he has to play. You can't sit
out half the season or the season and force the trade.
That's not a reasonable way. You know, you just lose
too much when you don't play football, you know you do.
So Unfortunately for him, I guess if you want to
say unfortunately, he's going to have to play for pennies

(17:18):
on the dollar. He's not going to get a contract extension.
I would also guess that there's probably a world where
the Colts would get back to wherever they were negotiations
and offer him a contract extension. It's just not gonna
be anywhere near what he wants. So this is a
weird one. A weird one, Nick Kope, what do you
think they go from here? In terms of the Colts

(17:39):
and Jonathan, Oh you're you're working. I'm sorry about that, Jay, dude,
do you think there's a way in which Taylor plays
for the Colts this year?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I mean, I think we've seen much worse in sports, Doug.
I mean when we talk about contract disputes throughout the years,
I think there have been worse things said and worse
things done, and the teams have eventually kind of reconcile
because if the player is good enough. I think I
think what I mean, one of the more interesting things
that that Ballard had said yesterday, and I think it

(18:10):
kind of tells you where they're at. He was point
blank asked why did you not pay Jonathan Taylor what
he wanted? And his answer was weird? He said, we
won four games last year. That was kind of the answer.
I think that was a we need to see where
we're at as a team. Are we are we a
good enough team to devote that much money to Jonathan Taylor?

(18:35):
Or are we a team that's still a couple of
years away and we could utilize maybe the assets in
different ways. So the long answer your question is, I
think you can reconcile it from a relationship standpoint, I
just don't think the team knows what they are yet.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I don't think it has anything. I think that the
argument is, hey, it's not like we're winning a ton
of games, because Jonathan Taylor was two years ago was
led the league in rushing right, and they didn't make
the playoffs. And last year he missed some games and
he has a legit ankle injury and they won four
games last year. So it's like, no matter how great

(19:19):
you are, it's not like your single handedly winning games
for us. On the other hand, there's also the reality
of the position that he plays, and I think that's
where Ballard's He's not being disingenuous, but he's omitting the
fact that position has something to do with it as well.
And maybe that's his way of getting to the position
talk is saying we didn't win all those games, you know.

(19:43):
I think the part that really stinks and the part
that becomes disingenuous from Taylor's camp is, you know, this
thing all started because he wanted to reset the running
back market. Then he wasn't going to reset the running
back market, and there was talks of a trade talk,
and suddenly he coming down off his stance, but only
for a different team. And that doesn't that doesn't seem cool,

(20:07):
that doesn't seem like it's okay, that doesn't at all.
What do I think happens? I think he plays like
I think at some point, you got to play under
the contract that you're given, and if you're not, you
do understand that if you don't play a game this year,
that contract is still the same for next year. You

(20:30):
don't get a year's credit if you don't play. So,
if you want to say he's screwed, yeah, but on
many levels he screwed himself. He was offered extension, it
just wasn't at the level that he wanted. So please
don't say, oh, well they didn't want him. No, they
want him, they just didn't want him for the price

(20:50):
that he wanted. Period. Stop and a story and a story.

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health magazine article. By the way, I like Men's Health. Like,
there's Men's Health and Men's Fitness. Feels like the same magazine.

(21:29):
But they're they're just different, I guess, but they're they're
they're good mags. Do they still exist in magazine form? Chase,
du Do we know that? Like? Do they still? Do
we still get the printed copies of those?

Speaker 7 (21:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I think we do? I think so. You just asked me,
you get it?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Do you get any periodicals at home at your house?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Negative? Not?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Not intentionally anyways. I get sent like crap from like
the local you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, Or you get you get furniture stuff, right, furniture
catalogs type deal in the in the mail. What about you,
Nick Coke? Do you get any periodicals? Do Is there
any actual magazines you get delivered to your home?

Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
My father in law lives in Palm Springs, and for
as a little gift, every year, we get Palm Springs
Life sent to us, which is a monthly magazine, but
nothing that my wife and I intentionally want.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
To know Ron wants. How about you?

Speaker 5 (22:30):
I think we get Parents magazine? Yeah, I think that
was ordered a long time ago when Sarah was in
We're initially gonna be born, and it just keeps coming
every week, so every month.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Was it one of those where somebody knocked at your door.
There's two kids at their door. They're like, you know,
claiming this is their way out of out of poverty
if you'll sign up for their magazines.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
I don't think it was that, but it was some
some sort of conniving way of getting us to get
a magazine somewhere.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
All right, This for Men's Health magazine. During a recent
trip of the of the pint glass shaped Guinness storehouse
with gravity bar overlooking Dublin, Ireland and exhibits tracing the
history of the two hundred and sixty four year old
beer Goliath, Joe Montana didn't hesitate telling Men's Health his

(23:15):
pick for best quarterback of all time, Dan Marino. Okay,
so this is interesting, right because they played against the
other once in the Super Bowl, and of course the
Niners beat the Dolphins during that Super Bowl, which was
played in Palo Alto, just down the street from where
the Niners play now. Marino's only Super Bowl appearance in

(23:37):
his seventeen year career. But this is what Marino Montana
actually said. Put Marino in today's game where he gets
free release, actually and his receivers get free release, and
holy cow, they weren't very big. Now these guys are
six four six ' five. I think Marino is probably
one of the most unsung heroes of the game. People
don't talk enough about him and realize the numbers he

(23:58):
put up during the time when he put them up.
Montana says Marino could throw the football the way that
other quarterbacks couldn't. He had a quick release. He had
to step into a lot of I had to step
into a lot of things to get enough force behind
the ball. He had perfect torque through his upper body
and strength and deliver the football quickly at a fast
release with accuracy. Now I haven't read the article in

(24:23):
its entirety, only excerpts, But am I wrong? Guys? Jay
s Dude, does he actually say the words he's the
greatest of all time?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Nope, he doesn't say the greatest of all time. In fact,
he doesn't even say the best. The author of the article,
as you read, he says that Joe did not hesitate
telling men's health. This pick for the best quarterback of
all time Colen dan Marino. So Joe doesn't actually use
the word best or greatest in any of his answer, So.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Weird, right, yes, go ahead, John ROMs.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
We always hear about This is the first time I've
heard someone say, and I could be wrong, but this
first of time I personally heard someone say, like, if
you put Dann Reno intoday's NFL, he would be exceptionally better, right,
is that what he's kind of saying. But yet in
the NBA we always hear like those guys couldn't play
with us back in the time. It's kind of the

(25:20):
opposite theory. I've never heard that before where somebody actually
says a guy back in the eighties could actually be
better today? Or am I the first person to understand
that that point? Because right, don't the NBA players always say, oh,
bird couldn't play with us, this guy's couldn't play in
our in the level we play today, and that what
we normally hear from our players.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
We do, uh, we we absolutely, we absolutely do. But again,
like I'm not even hearing anybody say the greatest, He's
just simply saying he's one of the most. Basically, it's
like he's massively underrated and it was, and you know,
how good would he be in this era? How good

(26:01):
would he be in this era? And yeah, I'm with you, John,
We don't hear that often. But remember we're also hearing
this from a guy from a different era. We actually
do hear that about some basketball players from guys of
different eras, Like we've heard Michael Jordan, who was who
said Jordan would average over forty a game in this
era where you can't hand check and there aren't you know,

(26:22):
the lane is wide open. Look my read to it
is he's because one part that's not mentioned is we
all think of this as some dis to Tom Brady,
who's considered the greatest of all time. But if anything,
it's actually a disc toward Joe Montana. He's saying this
guy had more talent than I did. And you know,

(26:45):
if he had a team set up the way teams
are set up now, with the rules now, he'd be
putting up crazy, crazy numbers, which again you could say, well,
that's a distant Tom Brady or a dissant and of
these current quarterbacks. I just think it's the reality of it.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
It was the way that the headlines yes, I headline
did not marry this. I have a sample of six headwines,
TMZ being maybe the worst offenders. No surprise, the TMZ
headline is Joe Montana says Tom Brady not best quarterback
of all time. Joe never even mentioned Brady, by the way,
but most of the headwinds are like Joe Montana surprises

(27:26):
fans as he picks Dan Marino instead of Tom Brady
for best of all time. John Montana says best quarterback
in the history isn't him or Tom Brady?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
H fascinating. I will come back to this. We'll get
Danny Canell's thoughts because he's our age. He saw him
both play and he can decipher my redun is. I agree. Now,
there is an element to the fact that Marino they
didn't really run the football, and so there is an
element to yeah, if he played in today's rules with

(28:01):
bigger wide receivers, how good would it be. On the
other hand, they were throwing it more than passing it
back in the day where people were, you know, the
opposite way. They'd run it and then passing only on
third down. So some of it was they were zigging
when others were zagging. All right, stuck got Lib show
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(28:24):
Week One line is the care of Danny Cannell. Of
course he's joining us because the guys had been online
said it was okay, he's got that kind of pull there, Dan.
Let me let me ask you before we get to
the college stuff. I don't know if you saw it.
I know you have your own morning show with UH
with Dusty and I don't know if you guys discussed
this because you mostly discussed college football. But Joe Montana

(28:49):
said he's being quoted as saying Dan Marino is the
greatest of all time, only he never actually said he's
the greatest of all time. Where are you on the
Dan Marino, Joe Montana and the all time greatness discussion?

Speaker 7 (29:03):
All right, Doug, I have to give a disclaimer for
you because I grew up in South Florida. My dad
was the orthopedic surgeon. He was the team doctor for
the Miami Dolphins for about twenty years. When I was
in high school, I got to go down and work
out with Marino. I wore thirteen in college in the
pros because of Dan. I think he's the greatest pure

(29:27):
passer the game has ever seen. And that's a cop out,
right because I mean just the way his quick release,
what he was able to do in the pocket, without
having much mobility at all, without having a run game,
with not having like some of the talent that other
quarterbacks that have won the Super Bowls have had around them,
I think he's the best pure passer the game has

(29:47):
ever seen. I mean, if you go to the greatest,
who's better?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
You know?

Speaker 7 (29:50):
I mean at some point you have to acknowledge resumes, right,
Like in your resumes do include championships. So, like you said,
who's a better quarterback in the annal of NFL history,
I'd have to say Joe Montana. But I think Dan
Marie is the best pure passer the game's ever seen.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I don't say anything wrong with that discussion. I mean
the problem is, I don't know, are fans that simple
minded that there can only be a well, he's the
greatest and that's it. Or are do we not give
fans enough credit for understanding the nuances to the discussion.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
I also, you know, what else is a part is
a problem when we do this Greatest of all Time
or Mount Rushmore or whatever, whereever you decide to make
the argument. At some point we're gonna have to acknowledge
that I think this is going to be a problem
for the Hall of Fame, you know, inductions and who
gets in and who gets out. Like we're all aware
that the game looks completely different in the last ten

(30:46):
to fifteen years than it looked even twenty twenty five
years ago, let alone thirty five forty years ago. Like
the rules have changed dramatically. Like Kerry Bradshaw has four
Super Bowls, but he also had two hundred and twelve
touchdowns in two hundred and ten interceptions in his career,
you know, Like and Jim McMahon won a Super Bowl
one of the greatest teams of all time in the

(31:08):
eighty five Bears, but he was throwing it like eighteen
times a game and handing it off to Walter Payton.
Like every situation is different. And when guys like Matt
Ryan Philip Rivers, there's going to be a slew of
the more that are going to come to the forefront.
They're going to finish top ten of passing categories in
almost every category, But are they Hall of Famers or

(31:29):
are they just really good NFL players? Like it's going
to be harder and harder to decipher, like what you
determined to be a Hall of Famer if you just
went and started looking at stats, which I think is okay.
I think it comes down to more like were you
one of the best at your position during your era?
And I think that's kind of how you have to
look at it.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
No, I mean we do the same thing in basketball, right, yeah, right,
the guys I just go by the stats. Like there's
no power forwards anymore, there's no traditional centers anymore. The
actual rules of hand checking or different diferent the zone
defensive rules are different, Like the whole thing is different,
and yet we're trying to grade it on the like
pure raw stats. It's just just seems seems dumb. It

(32:10):
seems very simple to me, and I think it's it's
a more complex than that. Let's get to let's get
to college football first. Like you play college football, I
play college hoops. I think college football is like the
most American sport we have because it doesn't really make
sense to anybody else, but to us, it makes complete sense.

(32:33):
Right to us, the like even the Seminole right the
I mean, how great a tradition is it that in
this era where we've wiped out so many uh so
many moments to recognize Native American culture, it's like one
of the few schools that's found a way to do
it right. And you stick the spear in the ground
before the game and declare war against the opponent. Right,

(32:56):
There's just there's something. It's a feeling like home in warmth,
isn't it?

Speaker 7 (33:02):
It is? Coach Bowden and I've actually talked to a
lot of the Seminal Tribe members, like because I get
why it's a touchy subject. And thankfully it's not a
racial slur. It's an actual tribe that we're honoring. But
Coach Bouden and his wisdom got like a letter of
approval from the Seminal Tribe of Florida saying they not

(33:22):
only endorsed it, but they actually loved us being the
Florida State Seminals like it gave them a sense of
pride that we honored their traditions and that we have
Chief Otiola, who is an actual figure you know, in
the Seminal Tribe history. So thankfully he did that or
else me And I remember seeing games in Tallahassee where
there would be some people protesting outside, and you know,

(33:44):
then you talk to some of the seminal tribe leader
leaders in leadership and they would be like, now I
don't worry about them, like we are proud of this,
and so it was pretty cool to see that. But yeah,
the college football it is a religion, and there's a difference.
There is a distinct difference when you go to a
game on a Saturday and you go out again on
a Sunday. You know, NFL versus college football. It's just

(34:05):
a passion that's ingrained in those And to be honest
with you, Doug, I do worry about it. And I
hear some fans complain that the more college football becomes
like the NFL with players paid and you know, we
have free agency where you can move around, that we're
going to lose some of that. I really hope we don't,
but I think it's inevitable that you're going to lose
some fans and some of that passion because they're going

(34:26):
to get disenfranchised by man, I thought this was my player,
and now he's playing for my rival what you're seeing
all over the place.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I completely agree that said, we do have college football,
and it does begin to It's a weird kind of
transition here, right because the Big twelve has expanded, and
yet it'll expand even more. The SEC will expand next year,
the Big ten willk spand next year, let's start with
Utah won't have Cam Rise and their starting quarterback still

(34:57):
a favorite against Florida. Florida who have course last year,
beat him in a crazy game, but you know they
lose Anthony Richardson to the draft is number four pick.
What are your thoughts on Florida heading in to Salt
Lake tonight.

Speaker 7 (35:11):
Oh, this is one of the best games of the weekend,
I think, and you know the fact that it's the first,
you know, the the one the prime time tonight. There
are a few Nembraska, Minnesota and Fox as well, but
I think this game is going to be awesome. I
hope you like defense, and I hope you like a
lower scoring affair because that's what I would anticipate. My
favorite playing this game is the under forty four. I

(35:32):
like the Gators and the points. Just from the fact
of what you mentioned, Cam Rising not playing a six
year senior. Last year, if you're a member, Kyle Whittingham
at the end of the USC game decided to go
for two and he put it in cam Rising's hand
and he's like, that's the guy that we need to
make plays for us. So you saw the importance of
what he brings to the system. Now. I don't want

(35:55):
to discount Utah because I feel like every year we
do that, they are back to backpack twelve champions like
they Kyle Whittingham maybe one of the most underrated coaches
in Utah, maybe one of more underrated programs in the country.
But I do think Florida without Camerasing, Florida can slow
them down offensively. I think they can turn it into
a little bit of a more of a one dimensional game.

(36:15):
And I think Utah is going to try to do
the same because Graham Mert, you know, I don't think
he's going to be a dynamic passer the way Anthony
Richardson was, But I do think he can be more
efficient in a system whereas they're going to try to
run the football, they'll check it down a little bit more,
take some more shorter throws to move the chain to
keep drives going pick their places to get some shot plays,

(36:38):
but I don't know if they have success getting it,
so I see more of a defensive scoring affair. I
would lean towards Florida to take the four and a
half points. But I really like the under in this
one because I think it's just going to be a
defensive slug fet.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Can Matt Rule get Nebraska anywhere back near where they
want to be? Yes?

Speaker 7 (36:57):
I like him, and I know it didn't work out
in the NFL. Well, there are some coaches and you
know this does. I mean it was very evident with
a couple. I mean there's been a long history. I'm
Steve Spurrier. When he went to Washington, you know, Urban
Meyer recently went to Jacksonville. We saw Matt Ruhle is
a big hire there. Some coaches and Nick Saban at
Miami Dolphins. Some coaches are just better the way they motivate,

(37:20):
their coaching style are better in college. And I think
that's Matt Rule to a t. You know, he's very
much of a kind of a raw, raw guy. You know,
he's a very high energy guy at practice. Let's get
guys amped up, Let's get him bought into the program,
and when you go to the NFL, guys are like,
all right, like just tell me what to do and
let me catch my check. You know, that just doesn't work.
But in college it does. And he's had a history

(37:43):
of turning around programs, whether it's a Temple or Baylor,
when he inherited one of the worst situations that you
could have had in college football history. You know, there's
Penn State and there's Baylor with some of the awful
stuff that was going on there, and he turned him around,
but it did take some time. They were one and
eleven in his first year. I don't think it'll be
that bad because he doesn't inherit a situation that's as
bad as it was. I think Scott Frost, you know,

(38:05):
clearly had some coaching issues. He really failed them in
tight one possession game. So they've got talent. It's got
a quarterback that came in from Georgia Tech that's a
dual threat guy in Jeff Sims. I think he can
turn them around. But I think an outstanding goal for
them this year is to be bowling, you know, to
go six and six, seven and five. If they can
do that, and he can to lay a foundation. I

(38:27):
think in his second year that could make that jump
and contend, you know, in the Big Ten for you know,
it's going to be harder though, like when they do
away with the visions, its going to get more challenging
for those teams that played in the Big Ten West
all of a sudden, no divisions and you throw in
the mix U, se USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Like it's
only going to be an uphill battle where for your

(38:48):
program like Nebraska. I know this is hard for Nebraska
fans to hear. Your upside season might be a nine
or ten win and that's about it. Like, I don't
know if you're going to happen some days where you run.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
The table right, Well, that's that's my question is you
know can that my original question, can you get it
back to where they want to be, not to get
it back to this out right like look, I just
I don't see it, and maybe I could be wrong,
because look, at the end of the day, these schools
that are off the beaten path, it's just gonna be
about how much NIL they have, and since they're the

(39:18):
entire state in terms of college football, maybe they'll have
enough nil. But you bring sc into that mix, you know, SC,
Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, like they're not in that
tier or not in that tier.

Speaker 7 (39:35):
No, they're not there at all. But here's the good thing,
And this is why I think is going to be
really fun to watch with a twelve team playoffs. I
love that it's expanding because I think currently now, if
you're Nebraska and we were talking about this, you feel
kind of helpless, like, oh, we'll never get a chance
to play for a national championship if you're upside at
nine and three and possibly ten and two and you
just can't team to get over Ohio State or Michigan

(39:58):
or USC. Like if you finish a third in the
Big Ten, possibly fourth, you can get an invite. Then
you got a feed at the table, and then anything
can happen, and then your fans have more belief and
they kind of they'll still show up in Nebraska no
matter what, right they're gonna be there. But I think
that'll be good for college football, giving a school like
Nebraska that hope. But yeah, I don't think they'll be

(40:18):
that undefeated team that they were in the nineties when
they were having back to back championship.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
No I'm not sure anybody will be undefeated, but definitely no,
exactly definitely Nebraska. What about your alma mater, Florida State.
I mean, look, let's go how far away to be
fired up? How far away?

Speaker 7 (40:33):
I would have said, I would not have expected it
to be this year. I would have said next year.
But I do feel this team is ready, like and
I don't think they're so. I think there's four teams
that are kind of roster wise, are separated, and it's Georgia,
It's Bama, It's Ohio State, and it's Michigan. Like if
you look at the four and five star recruits, the

(40:55):
like first three round NFL talent, they have more than
any But I do think there's programs like LSU and
Florida State, who we're playing against each other, Clemson who's
been there before, USC who's trying to get there, Like,
they've got a lot of really good players that could
possibly break through and if you get in in a

(41:15):
one game scenario or two game scenario, that you could win.
I don't think Florida State's ready to go through two
teams in the playoffs, but I do think they're ready
to potentially go through LSU go through the ACC and
maybe it's not unscathed, but the ACC doing away with divisions.
They could potentially lose to Clemson, beat them in the
ACC championship and be a one lost ACC champ that

(41:37):
gets in. So yeah, I think they're ready to be
on that stage to get to the playoff. I don't
think they're ready for a national championship, but I love
the leadership on this team. Jordan Travis reminds me a
lot of Jalen Hurts. The quarterback is now with the Eagles,
who had such a phenomenal year, but his career path
has been similar. Somebody who's been doubted, you know, has

(41:57):
been suggested that maybe he moves position, that he's just
an athletic quarterback, much like some of the criticism Jalen
Hurts received when he was at Alabama. But he's continued
to evolve and improve like we never allow players to improve.
He's gotten better and better every single year. And this
is the biggest similarity to Jalen Hurts is a mindset like,
let's go to work. I don't care about accolades, I

(42:20):
don't care about an offseason. Everbody's telling us how good
we are let's stay focused on the prize. And I
think that type of leadership in the locker room is priceless.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
All right, so your better than Night is the under
on the Utah Florida game.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
Yeah, that's my favorite bet tonight for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
You check out bet online for updated college football playoff
win totals, Conference Heisman and college football Week one lines.
That's bet Online. They brought us Danny Canell. Danny, you're
the best. Tell Dasia, I said, what's up? We'll talk soon.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
I will mat hey real quick. You've inspired me, bro,
I'm serious. I'm not being corny. I try to be
a good dad. I try to work hard. We have
a lot of jobs. I love seeing what you do
with your kids. You're a good dad. You work hard.
You're working out too, man, That's what fires me to
get in shape. I got to get in shape a
little bit better, lose about five pounds. So you inspire me, man,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
All right, let's let's get together. Let's let's form a
plan together on it? Or in are you? Are you
in the are you in the pickleball world yet?

Speaker 7 (43:11):
Oh? Yeah, I'm actually going to a celebrity pickleball tournament
in Atlanta for Danny warfol in a few weeks. So yeah,
I'm fired up. We want to get out on the.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Pickle ball court for sure. Thanks Van tucks In.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
All right, so you
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