September 6, 2023 • 37 mins
USCs star quarterback Caleb Williams and his father made comments in GQ about the NFL Draft structure and how Caleb has the option to skip next year's draft if he doesn't like the situation. Doug explains why that is utter nonsense. Former All-Pro linebacker Shawne Merriman joins Doug to talk about Nick Bosa, Chris Jones, the Chargers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "What Are The Chances?".
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
In the meantime, we have to deal with stories that
oftentimes don't deal with the actual games.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And I heard Dan Byer, I think lead with this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
If you didn't leave with it, Dan, it's just maybe
because it perked up my ears that I wanted to
talk about it, and you smartly woven into your update.
There's a GQ magazine article, and it has Kayleb Williams
and Carl Williams talking about this upcoming year's draft. Now,
it's not presumptuous, okay, to think he could be the.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Drake May is the other quarterback that people have their
eye on, but generally Kayla Williams is thoughtless. Unless there's
a severe amount of regression, possibly an injury. Drake May
sets the world on fire. I mean, Caleb Williams probably
the guy. And there's a lot of discussion about the
Arizona Cardinals, as you just heard also in Dan's update
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that Joshua Dobbs, who's been in Phoenix for like a
week and a half, is now they're starting quarterback. Like
they are, they are doing their best to very legally
tank and be awful. So there's a two different quotes
that everybody's reacting to, and let me read them to
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you give you my thoughts, then we'll kind of go
around the room here.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I think my biggest issue with all of this discussion
is that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We a lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Us buy into an untrue narrative based upon two Hall
of Fame players dictating where they were where they would
ultimately play or would not play, And we've made that
our conclusion, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And we do this with lots of things. Lots of
things we do it with.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
We do it with laws, you know, with with the Constitution,
We do it with religion. We do it with the Bible,
where we take a very small piece of greater data
and use it to be the absolute truth and a
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great reason to show that history can be your guide
when historically that's actually not the case.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Let me get back to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
First, you know, I caught a lot of heat back
when Andrew Luck retired because I tweeted out that rehabbing
from an ankle injury being too hard was the most
millennial thing ever, right that athletes, non athletes, people on
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this planet that are twenty five and younger, they look
at the world and look when I was that age.
I think when everybody's that age, you push against conventional wisdom,
and as you kind of evolve and as you grow
and as you mature, oftentimes you start to go like, hey,
you know, conventional wisdom is because people have lived on
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this arce now some things have in fact change. There
are different ways of doing things, but there's a there's
something to younger people now, where they literally push back
against everything in such an immature way that they don't
realize how they sound. I'll give you an example, Kayleb
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Williams quote that's from the GQ magazine article. I've always
been able to choose the team that I've played on
and then everything's been scheduled for me. But now going
to next part of my career, it's weird because it's
so uncertain. You don't know anything, you can't control anything,
but you know and how you act. That's honestly, the
weirdest part is the uncertainty. Carl Williams, his dad says,
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the funny thing about the NFL draft is he'd almost
be better off not being drafted, not being drafted first.
The system is completely backwards. The way the system is constructed.
You go to the worst possible situation, the worst possible team,
the worst organizationally because their desire is parody, gets the
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first pick. So it's a gift and a curse. Carl
Williams throughout the idea of potentially coming back to USC
Caleb gets two shots at the Apple. So if there's
not a good situation, truth is he could come back
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and it is something you could do. And it's interesting
because Kayleb Williams plays at USC and you don't have
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to study that far back into history where Matt Barkley
was the quarterback USC would have been a top ten,
maybe a top five pick. Instead chose to come back
to USC, was a second round pick, and now he's
been a journeyman in the NFL. Now that doesn't mean
that's what happened to Kayleb Williams. And generally quarterbacks who
have come back for that fourth year have fared quite well.
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The more snaps you take in college generally leads to
more success as a pro.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
It just does.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Justin Herbert most recently came back for an extra year. Now,
his draft stock may have gone up, may have gone back.
He was a third quarterback taken, but he was ready
to play far before anybody thought, and now he's onto
a second contract. In terms of risk reward, he's played
a lot of quarterback. He'll have started two full seasons
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and two or three quarter seasons, which is a.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Lot of quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Could he use the extra year, of course, but the
risk is injury, the risk is oversaturation. The one difference
in this generation now and even when Matt Barkley did it,
is it's not like he's going to be poor. Most
people think he makes several million dollars and that's great
in terms of financially though it's literally the dumbest idea ever.
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Every NFL agent, NFL advisor person who pays attention to
contracts will tell you the smart thing to do is
get in, get playing, and get to work on that
first contract because the second contract is automatically at minimum
three years away. Right, So he's four years away from
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getting generational wealth if things work out reasonably well. But
here's the biggest misconception. The biggest misconception is that an
organization is one to avoid and another organization is one
to go to, and that can determine your success financially
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and statistically as a quarterback. And I'm sure a lot
of this as arrows directed at the Arizona Cardinals, because
Jonathan Gannon looks completely and utterly over his head. And
they've now drafted two starting quarterbacks, one of whom is
still under a contract, a big contract, and most people
think they want to move off of that. And so
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why blame Kyler Murray when you can blame the Arizona Cardinals.
And I just tweeted out and can bring up Joe Burrow. Now,
the Bengals weren't terrible when Andy Dalton was their quarterback,
but the Bengals have a terrible reputation, especially leading up
to when they drafted Joe Burrow. The Bengals were too cheap.
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The Bengals defense the year before they draft him was
through fifteen weeks, the worst defense statistically in the history
of football. They didn't have a very good offensive line,
and they were in a division where you can't win.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And oh yeah, by the way, nobody believed in their coach.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But mostly the Bengals are too cheap. They have to
do everything through the draft. You had people, very smart people,
some who were Colin Cowhard went on his show and
said he should pull an Eli Manning and refuse to
go to the Cincinnti Bengals and make them trade. Fast
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forward just three years later, and remember Joe Burrow suffered
a knee injury his first year. But they've been to
a Super Bowl and deep in the AFC playoffs, and
he's in line for a contract extension which will pay
him hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And oh yeah, by.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
The way, the roster has been reworked. The offensive line
is one of the better ones in the NFL, the
skill positions around him are outstanding, and the defense is
good enough so that they've been able to go deep
in the playoffs even though they're in arguably the best
division in football. The LA Chargers, previously the San Diego
Chargers were how many times have you heard, don't go
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to the Chargers. You don't want to go there. They're cheap,
they're poorly run. Oh yeah, by the way, there's the
second team in LA. Justin Herbert has gone there. They're
no longer cheap because they have much deeper pockets being
in LA. They've re signed Joey Bosa, they've re signed
I mean, obviously Mike Williams. You know, they you go
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through all of the star players on their roster, including
Justin Herbert, and now they're a team that has been
to the playoffs and the only one catching the heat
is their head coach. They're doing everything in their power
to make Justin Herbert's life easier and make it successful.
The Buffalo Bills, I know they went to the playoffs
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shortly before they drafted Josh Allen, but they had gone
thirteen years without making the playoffs. They were the punchline
to all the jokes. They were in quarterback purgatory. They
draft Josh Allen and now they're competitive team and a
super Bowl favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
In some people's book, the.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Jacksonville Jaguars or the laughingstock of the league, you got
to move out of Jacksonville. You can't win there, you
can't compete there. And even in Trevor Lawrence's first year,
they won one game and hired a college coach that
was an abject disaster. They figured it out, they made
the playoffs, They won a game last year, and then the.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Favorite to win their division this year.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Don't get mad at me for saying that Carl Williams
is completely out of touch. Don't get mad at me
for saying, like Kayleb Williams is in his own feelings.
Just get mad at the data that tells you they
don't know what they're talking about. And people who iterate
and reiterate this nonsense are completely out of their minds
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and don't realize that if you get the right quarterback
and you'd figure it out, you're gonna be fine, even
if you want to pick out Kyler Murray. Did they
do everything in their power to make Kyler Murray work?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They hired a head coach who had known him since
he was in high school, They played an offense that
he had played since high school.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
They traded for.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And gave a new contract to one of the elite
wide receivers in the league. And oh yeah, by the way,
whatever you think of Kyler Murray and his desire to
play video games instead of study film. In his first
three years in the league, they got better every year
and ended up in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The only reason they fell apart last year was.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
DeAndre Hopkins was suspended first six six games and then
Kyler Murray towards They went all in, and they still
gave Kyler Murray a new contract before that season.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You can tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It hasn't worked out where Kyler Murray is the best
quarterback on earth. He's not an All Pro, and he
may be sent shopping. He'll get all of his money,
he'll get another opportunity. And making the playoffs in your
third year after being the number one overall pick seems
to be a win for Arizona. And oh yeah, by
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the way, everyone talking about organizations and front offices and
who wins and who loses. If you're the worst team
in football generally is generally the case. You get rid
of the gentle manager, you get rid of the head coach,
and you can question owners all you want. Okay, and
owners do make bizarre decisions.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
As we've seen from the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right they drafted Johnny Manziel and everything, and everyone told
them not to. Hey, owner's own, they'll screw it up.
But eventually they figured out, you get the right quarterback
as they think they got it with Deshaun Watson, and
you'll be fine. There is Eli Manning was twenty years ago,
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John Elway was thirty five years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Those are two instances of guys forcing their way to
other places. And by the way, when Joe Burrow came out,
I said Hey, if Burrow doesn't want to play for
the Bengals, that's fine. ELI didn't want to play for
the Chargers. Just you want, just so you know, the
Chargers won that trade. Yes, ELI won two Super Bowls, right,
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the Chargers won that trade. Go back and look, it
ain't close. It ain't close. I'm not even saying that
the car wouldn't trade or shouldn't trade the pick. I'm
saying there is zero recent last twenty years after you
I manning legitimacy to the argument as opposed to Joe Burrow,
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Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence, and even Kyler Murray
who resuscitated dead NFL teams and took them all to
the playoffs in their first NFL contract and all will
have or have gotten gigantic new second contracts. I hate
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to be that guy because this has nothing to do
with political affiliation at all, but there's a feelings element
to it from Kayleb Williams and even his dad, and
the facts tell you something completely different. You don't want
to be the first overall pick. It's counterintuitive. I don't
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know how to tell you this, Carl, but every professional
sports league has a draft. They all reward the worst
team with the strongest likelihood of getting the number one
overall pick. And to Caleb, I've always gotten to pick
my teams. I've always gotten to pick your schools. Well,
I mean, that's part of the problem is we allow
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people to pick what high school they go to, what
AAU team, whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And this is the real world. Right before you were
getting paid, you didn't have to pay taxes.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You probably never did any laundry before, you didn't have
to worry about a lot of real life stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Now you do.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
So Chandler Jones posted and deleted on his social media
Monday night that quote the Raiders wouldn't let him in
the building.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He wrote that he felt provoked. It's a shame.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I am a top athlete with one hundred and twelve
sacks in the NFL. I have to go to a
local gym to work out during the season no apparent reason.
This is wild to me. That Josh wild to me Josh,
and you know it, you need to do what's right.
Blanket well blank not the blanket, not something that blank
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or bleep it. I don't want to play for the
Raiders if if, if that's my head coach or GM,
I want Patrick Graham. Graham, also a former Patriot coach,
is the Raiders defensive coordinator. So this was Josh McDaniels
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and he's exchanged with the reporters this morning about Chandler Jones.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I'm not going to talk about the you know, that's
kind of a personal situation, and you know, we've never
really gone into you know, those kind of things, so
I'm going to steer away from that. You know, it's
a private matter, and you know, if there's something to
report on it, then you know, we'll do that. But
as of right now, no.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
There's nothing. There's nothing to tapa. No, I don't you know.
Right now, we're going day to day.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's not going to be here today, so we'll we'll
kind of take it one day at a time.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Warrant talk with the team.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
To kind of yeah, I'm not going to get into this,
you know what I mean. So it's a personal situation,
it's a private matter.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know, we want to.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Talk about the game on Sunday. I'll be excited to
talk about the games. The game. He's not a captain,
so you.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Like I said, we're we're dealing with it internally, We've
dealt with it, but we're not gonna not going to.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Get into this.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
What's what's fascinating about this is, Okay, Chance Jones obviously
made a name for himself initially with the Patriots. Then
he moved on to the Cardinals and he had that
one season in twenty nineteen where he had nineteen sacks
with the Cardinals. Then he was with the Lions, and
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of course when he was with the Lions, that was
when a former Patriots coach was the head coach and
the GM of the Lions. And then of course he
went back to the Cardinals and now he's with the Raiders.
So part of this is I'm guessing that the Patriots
and the Patriot way, and you know, the guys Josh
McDaniels is obviously a former Patriot assistant. They felt like
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they knew Chandler Jones. Have a good relationship with Chandler Jones.
He's not the guy he used to be, still very effective,
but he's clearly the second guy there. I'm gonna guess,
like I hadn't even I hadn't even looked it up,
hadn't even looked it up, and I thought this was
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the case. And so what I did was I tried
to figure out what would be behind this. Right, John
Jones is his brother. Right, John Jones has been super
talented in MMA, but you know how many times has
he gotten suspended for peds. I was gonna guess this
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was about one thing, and then I looked it up
and I was pretty much right. And it's about his contract.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's gonna make a lot of money this year. He
got seventeen million in a cash advance. But at the
end of this year his contract is up. They can
get out of it, and they don't really owe much
of anything. And so even though there's sixteen million dollars
in base salary, seventeen million dollars overall, he ain't getting
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any of that because it's up. My guess is this
is all about he won a contract extension before the
year kicked off. He wasn't going to get it, and
this is just a way to bring attention to himself.
Chandler Jones outstanding player. Probably not a Hall of Famer,
but a Hall of really really really good, really good,
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a good player. But you reached thirty three, you're clearly
the second best pass rusher on your own depth chart.
They got other issues and other fires they're trying to
put out. They don't want to give you a contract extension,
and so you cause all kinds of ruckus and Josh
mcdanz's like, you know, just take a day off, we'll
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see it work, show up and show up on Sunday.
That's what it feels like to me. Buyers that do
you think that's completely off? I mean, it is a week.
It is a weird story, a weird story, but that's
what it feels likes at work.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Here tis the season.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah right, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You get right right up next to You're like, dude,
I don't want to play and I don't have a
contract next year. That's how they all work. Sean Merriman
joins us, of course, a former Chargers great All Pro linebacker.
He's the founder of Lights Out Extreme Fighting. By the way,
he's here on behalf of bet online. Sean, what what
what is it like? You didn't leave in your prime,
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but you also had more football to play. Okay, what
is it like when you get towards the end there
and you're coming into a season and you only have
that year left in your contract.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Well, you know the crazy thing about the NFL, Doug,
you don't know right Like, they make the decision for you.
So even though you're going to a contract year and
lasting your deal, uh, it could be a new coaching
staff or new DISK, new ownership, a new GM could
be coming, and everything could be changed, so totally out
of your control. The only the only thing a guy
can do. It at that point, a player can get
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on the field and play his butt off right out
there and and hope that somebody watching that film, some GM,
some cold to whoever, and he wants to get paid
either with that team or somewhere else. So that's all
the guy that could really control going into his last
year of the deal.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
When you got drafted by the Chargers, I was, I
don't know if you know this story, because I know
you do a lot of other stuff. Okay, So Caleb
Williams is the top quarterback in college like to be
the number one over ball pick GQ magazine. His dad's like, hey,
he could go back for another year, And it's the
idea of do you really want to go to a
bad organization? Right when you went to the Chargers, there
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was still a lot of talk of hey, you don't
want to go Remember Eli Manning didn't want to play
for the Chargers, And my point was kind of dated, right,
look at the Chargers now. But all of these guys
that have gone to bad organizations recently, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence,
Josh Allen Heck, even Kyler Murray they went to the playoffs,
got a new contract, it feels like that's dated data.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, it's fair to a point, right, because in Eli's
dial when he didn't go to Charges, he told the
Charges before he got on that Archie Manning his dad
didn't want him to go in there going there. So
I think that when you put it out there that
way to the guy don't want to be there, it
makes it a little bit more difficult because he's telling
you way before the advance and he didn't want to
go there. Obviously. You know Kayler Williams dad. By the way,
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Caylen Williams is from my hometown in Washington, DC, So
I know them. I know them very well. If he
says he's not trying to go there, trust me, he's
not trying to go there. The difference is now is
that players have more say so in what happens in
their future in their careers. And that's that's coming from
college all the way with nil all way to the
pros now. So if Cayler Williams dad is telling the
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team that, hey, we don't want to come here, it
makes it extremely difficult for a team to draft you.
After that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
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his knee and we still haven't seen Chris Jones. Now,
historically you look at at Pat Mahomes first game of
the season, he lights it up. But if you were
to go to bed online and put some money down,
Lions are a four and a half point dog. What
do you think of the Chiefs and the Lions tomorrow
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night in Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I'm telling you right now, Doug, to be honest. I
know you see the odds and whatnot. Pat Mahomes is
a great quarterback. I don't want to take any thanking
for him. Obviously, Travis Kelsey not being on the field
is going to hurt him a bit. They're not putting
enough emphasis on Chris Jones not being there, and I
know they have one game to the past. We're not
having great players around past. Mahomes is still able to
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go out and get a championship. If you look at
that game last year towards the end, who ended that game?
It was Chris Jones. You can get to a certain point,
and I think that Green Bay Packers found us out
that if you don't put somebody around great quarterbacks at
some point in time, they will get exposed. They need
to pay more attention to that Chris Jones contract. I
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wouldn't say he's better than Aaron Donna, but they are
in the same sentence. So you have to really look
at how their team was built and what guys can
go out and make plays and change the game for you.
Because last year Chris Jones into that game. For him,
he needs a new deal. They need to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, no, I'm there's no doubt we're getting closer and
closer to when he's going to lose one point nine
million per year. So you may make it up in
the next contract, but there may be some loss in
the meantime. What about the Chargers, I know you're still
close with the team. I know you still go to
preseason workouts and the practices and the games as well.
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On paper, this is one of the most talented teams
in the NFL. What's it going to take for them
to take that next step and win a playoff game,
win some of these close games in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
You know, juge, it's gonna come down to health.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I know it sounds kind of, you know, simple and okay,
help it. But if you look at last year, the
amount of guys that went down right, and I'm talking
about from Khalil Mackin and Joey Boston not been on
the field at the same time for most of the season.
The same thing with Ken Island and Mike Williams. You know,
was Shawn Slater going down last year killed them because
they had to shift the run an offensive line. Justin
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Herbert hurt his ribs early on in the season. He
was hurt for four to six weeks. We've never seen
anything like that in NFL. With that Jason Jackson right
goes down to the knee injury for the year, right,
and when you're talking about couple of games, who's done
for the year. If they stay halfway healthy is they
did last year? Because my opinion that you know, people
talking about them getting bounced out of the playoffs by Jacksonville,
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they probably with the amount of injuries they had during
the year, they probably shouldn't have been there in the
first place. If they stay healthy this year, this is
the best shot I think in the last decade for
the Charge to actually go out and win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I I agree with you, But that's that's that's a
big if.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
By the way they change their training staff, how big
any you've you've played, you've been hurt in the league,
how important is that in your mind in the overall
health of a team.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Well, you know, I know the trainers, the James Collins,
and and and d and all those guys are they're
great trainers. You can't stop a J. C. Jacksons just
come down in the back of the end zone on
his knee and tears his knee up. You can't count
those things happening. And a guy gets, you know, rolled
up under a pile, you can't change that. I get
what they're trying to do, what they want to do.
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I think also too, when you trained, when you change
training staff, there's a young new method of how to
get guys healthy right to rehab the therapy. So when
you change training staff is because these guys coming in
with a different mentality to get everybody back on the field.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Sean Merriman joining joining us.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Nick Bosa also still holding out right, he's an unbelievable player, unbelievablelayer.
They're taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers. How much does that
change that game?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Bosa doesn't play tremendously, tremendously And then too, I think
everybody needs to understand this. When guys don't get paid,
it's not necessarily the teams don't want to pay him.
You know, you got the Fred Warner and some of
these other guys on the field that's making debo, just
making a ton of money, right, big context and trust
if they had the money just sitting around, they were
paying them. The second obviously a party who's going to
(29:22):
be up for a deal at some point too. You
know they're going to extend him if I don't believe
they have already, but they're going to. So you got them,
got Trent Williams right. You know, all these guys are
getting paid, right, and so it's not a thing whether
they want to pay him or not, but they need
to figure it out. You got the best player of
my team, the best player outside of Michael Parsons and
some of these guys would I would take Nick nick Bosa.
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He's the best defensive player right now in the National
Football League, and they need to find a way to
get that contract situated because he's a big part of
what they're trying to build in San France.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Sean, I got to ask you the question that I
hate asking, but it's that time of the year, and
I know it's so much health dependent. You need a
little bit of luck. You mentioned the Chargers, but you
are here on the alphabet online. If you were going
to guess the Super Bowl teams this year, who would be?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It's okay if the Chargers stay healthy. I'm going with
them MAYNC and I'm gonna tell you something on the
NFC side that nobody's talking about. There's nothing against you know,
the Eagles and what they built. Jalen Hurts, all these
guys great, but they did have an offensive defense coordinator.
Coaches leave, so I want to see their scheme and
Jalen cart all these guys are great. It's one team
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that nobody's talking about, and that's Detroit Lions. They're not
talking about them enough. That division has gotten weaker, uh,
with with Aaron Rodgers leaving, with Dalvin Cooks leaving, that
division's gotten weaker. If they can get and win that division,
get into the playoffs, they become a team now that
you don't necessarily want to play because of their style
of football, very much like when the Chargers are lost
(30:55):
to Jacksonville last year. Jacksonville's another team that you just
didn't want to play, especially first, you know, first game
in that in the playoffs, they are another team that's carrying.
And I'm not saying they're gonna win the super Bowl,
but if anybody's not looking at them to be at
least far into playoffs, but also have a chance to
win the Super Bowl. That just the year that they
could do it.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Sean great stuff man.
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Breaking news from Fox Sport.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
The holdout is over for one defender. The San Francisco
forty nine Ers and pass rusher Nick Bosa have agreed
on a new deal that makes Bosa the highest paid
player in NFL history. A five year deal worth one
hundred and seventy million dollars. According to multiple reports, Bosa
gets one hundred and twenty two and a half million
dollars guaranteed. Doug, the average annual salary for Bosa breaks
(32:30):
down to thirty four million dollars per season, breaking the
mark set by Aaron Donald, who makes more than thirty
one and a half million dollars. Nick Bosa and the
Niners agreeing on a new five year deal.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
All right, so let's get to game time.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
This is game time, game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
I also want to pass along that the Chiefs have
officially listed Travis Kelce as questionable for tomorrow's game against
the Lions. All right, Doug, the game today is what
are the chances?
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
One of the chances is that one of the two
teams Eagles or Chiefs from Super Bowl fifty seven make
it to Super Bowl fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Ten percent chance. H It's a pretty low percent chance.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, yes, I mean, look, I think a lot of
things went right for the Eagles last year. Had unbelievable roster,
and they had the easiest they had the easiest schedule
in the NFL and the one tough team they played
on the way to the Super Bowl didn't have a
quarterback in the second half. So yeah, I think those things.
(33:42):
Now you have seven new starters, and you have two
new coordinators, and you have a much more difficult schedule,
likelihood of repeating grand the NFC is not strong, and
they still have a very strong roster.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I don't think it's great.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And then that I just I don't want to bet
against any reading Pat Mahomes. Those are the only two
reasons that you would think the chiefs ki at the
Super Bowl because the rest of the roster isn't great.
It's really top heavy, assuming they eventually get Chris Jones
back and eventually Travis Kelcey is healthy.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Doug, what are the chances that Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers
is a part of the MVP discussion this season?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I would say sixty percent chance. It's really good. It's good.
I mean it's better than fifty eight. That's sixty to sixty.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I can be pushed a little bit higher. I mean
he's always part of the discussion. Obviously last year was disappointing,
but he'd won two in a row the year before.
That years before that, and you know, considering how that
offense was previously, any sort of improvement he's going to get.
He's going to get the accolades because of it. I'd
say sixty percent.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Now Nick Bosa got his deal, he was a holdout.
Mike Evans has set a deadline for this weekend to
get a long term deal as he enters the final
year of his contract. He's been with the team though, Doug,
what are the chances that the Buccaneers trade Mike Evans
this season?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I think pretty good. I think like in the forty
percent variety. Forty percent variety. I mean, it's obvious that
they want to rework some things, right, they want to
turn that roster over, and Evans is not going to
come cheap. I think forty percent chance somebody takes on
a bunch of that money here and then gives them
a new deal in the process.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
One more NFL and then a couple of college football ones. Doug,
what are the chances that LA starts to become a
Chargers town?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Well, it's all if they win a super Bowl, right, Well,
go to or win a super Bowl. That's how it
generally works in Los Angeles and I'd say there's a
thirty percent chance that happens that they go to a
super Bowl. They're that talented, you know. I mean there's
certain teams. Last year, the Eagles were just very talented.
The Niners are very talented. I think the Chargers are
in that conversation, if healthy, thirty percent chance that becomes
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a Charger town.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Doug, what are the chances that Florida's is back?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Pretty good? I think pretty good, sixty five chance.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
The acc overall is pretty solid, Like I think obviously
Duke's a little better, and he thought Clemson is not
as bad as you know. They statistically dominated that game,
terrible in the red zone, two block field goals. But
I think Florida State's the class of that league, and
they were closed last year. I think they're closer this year.
I'd say like sixty five percent chance.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Yeah, North Carolina's good. You know, you talked about Drake
may earlier, Doug. Finally, what are the chances that Colorado
goes to a bowl game?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Starting to think pretty good, I'd say seventy five percent chance.
Remember you don't even have to get over five hundred
to get to a bowl game. And of their the schedule.
I mean Oregon and USC are looming, but it's not
like they they play Oregon USC every week.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'll go seventy five percent chance to go to a
Bowl game.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
And that's game time.
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
In the meantime, we have to deal with stories that
oftentimes don't deal with the actual games.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And I heard Dan Byer, I think lead with this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
If you didn't leave with it, Dan, it's just maybe
because it perked up my ears that I wanted to
talk about it, and you smartly woven into your update.
There's a GQ magazine article, and it has Kayleb Williams
and Carl Williams talking about this upcoming year's draft. Now,
it's not presumptuous, okay, to think he could be the.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Drake May is the other quarterback that people have their
eye on, but generally Kayla Williams is thoughtless. Unless there's
a severe amount of regression, possibly an injury. Drake May
sets the world on fire. I mean, Caleb Williams probably
the guy. And there's a lot of discussion about the
Arizona Cardinals, as you just heard also in Dan's update
(01:59):
that Joshua Dobbs, who's been in Phoenix for like a
week and a half, is now they're starting quarterback. Like
they are, they are doing their best to very legally
tank and be awful. So there's a two different quotes
that everybody's reacting to, and let me read them to
(02:19):
you give you my thoughts, then we'll kind of go
around the room here.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And I think.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I think my biggest issue with all of this discussion
is that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We a lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Us buy into an untrue narrative based upon two Hall
of Fame players dictating where they were where they would
ultimately play or would not play, And we've made that
our conclusion, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And we do this with lots of things. Lots of
things we do it with.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
We do it with laws, you know, with with the Constitution,
We do it with religion. We do it with the Bible,
where we take a very small piece of greater data
and use it to be the absolute truth and a
(03:23):
great reason to show that history can be your guide
when historically that's actually not the case.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Let me get back to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
First, you know, I caught a lot of heat back
when Andrew Luck retired because I tweeted out that rehabbing
from an ankle injury being too hard was the most
millennial thing ever, right that athletes, non athletes, people on
(03:55):
this planet that are twenty five and younger, they look
at the world and look when I was that age.
I think when everybody's that age, you push against conventional wisdom,
and as you kind of evolve and as you grow
and as you mature, oftentimes you start to go like, hey,
you know, conventional wisdom is because people have lived on
(04:17):
this arce now some things have in fact change. There
are different ways of doing things, but there's a there's
something to younger people now, where they literally push back
against everything in such an immature way that they don't
realize how they sound. I'll give you an example, Kayleb
(04:37):
Williams quote that's from the GQ magazine article. I've always
been able to choose the team that I've played on
and then everything's been scheduled for me. But now going
to next part of my career, it's weird because it's
so uncertain. You don't know anything, you can't control anything,
but you know and how you act. That's honestly, the
weirdest part is the uncertainty. Carl Williams, his dad says,
(05:01):
the funny thing about the NFL draft is he'd almost
be better off not being drafted, not being drafted first.
The system is completely backwards. The way the system is constructed.
You go to the worst possible situation, the worst possible team,
the worst organizationally because their desire is parody, gets the
(05:22):
first pick. So it's a gift and a curse. Carl
Williams throughout the idea of potentially coming back to USC
Caleb gets two shots at the Apple. So if there's
not a good situation, truth is he could come back
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and it is something you could do. And it's interesting
because Kayleb Williams plays at USC and you don't have
(06:09):
to study that far back into history where Matt Barkley
was the quarterback USC would have been a top ten,
maybe a top five pick. Instead chose to come back
to USC, was a second round pick, and now he's
been a journeyman in the NFL. Now that doesn't mean
that's what happened to Kayleb Williams. And generally quarterbacks who
have come back for that fourth year have fared quite well.
(06:33):
The more snaps you take in college generally leads to
more success as a pro.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
It just does.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Justin Herbert most recently came back for an extra year. Now,
his draft stock may have gone up, may have gone back.
He was a third quarterback taken, but he was ready
to play far before anybody thought, and now he's onto
a second contract. In terms of risk reward, he's played
a lot of quarterback. He'll have started two full seasons
(07:01):
and two or three quarter seasons, which is a.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Lot of quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Could he use the extra year, of course, but the
risk is injury, the risk is oversaturation. The one difference
in this generation now and even when Matt Barkley did it,
is it's not like he's going to be poor. Most
people think he makes several million dollars and that's great
in terms of financially though it's literally the dumbest idea ever.
(07:31):
Every NFL agent, NFL advisor person who pays attention to
contracts will tell you the smart thing to do is
get in, get playing, and get to work on that
first contract because the second contract is automatically at minimum
three years away. Right, So he's four years away from
(07:57):
getting generational wealth if things work out reasonably well. But
here's the biggest misconception. The biggest misconception is that an
organization is one to avoid and another organization is one
to go to, and that can determine your success financially
(08:20):
and statistically as a quarterback. And I'm sure a lot
of this as arrows directed at the Arizona Cardinals, because
Jonathan Gannon looks completely and utterly over his head. And
they've now drafted two starting quarterbacks, one of whom is
still under a contract, a big contract, and most people
think they want to move off of that. And so
(08:44):
why blame Kyler Murray when you can blame the Arizona Cardinals.
And I just tweeted out and can bring up Joe Burrow. Now,
the Bengals weren't terrible when Andy Dalton was their quarterback,
but the Bengals have a terrible reputation, especially leading up
to when they drafted Joe Burrow. The Bengals were too cheap.
(09:08):
The Bengals defense the year before they draft him was
through fifteen weeks, the worst defense statistically in the history
of football. They didn't have a very good offensive line,
and they were in a division where you can't win.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And oh yeah, by the way, nobody believed in their coach.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
But mostly the Bengals are too cheap. They have to
do everything through the draft. You had people, very smart people,
some who were Colin Cowhard went on his show and
said he should pull an Eli Manning and refuse to
go to the Cincinnti Bengals and make them trade. Fast
(09:44):
forward just three years later, and remember Joe Burrow suffered
a knee injury his first year. But they've been to
a Super Bowl and deep in the AFC playoffs, and
he's in line for a contract extension which will pay
him hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And oh yeah, by.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
The way, the roster has been reworked. The offensive line
is one of the better ones in the NFL, the
skill positions around him are outstanding, and the defense is
good enough so that they've been able to go deep
in the playoffs even though they're in arguably the best
division in football. The LA Chargers, previously the San Diego
Chargers were how many times have you heard, don't go
(10:24):
to the Chargers. You don't want to go there. They're cheap,
they're poorly run. Oh yeah, by the way, there's the
second team in LA. Justin Herbert has gone there. They're
no longer cheap because they have much deeper pockets being
in LA. They've re signed Joey Bosa, they've re signed
I mean, obviously Mike Williams. You know, they you go
(10:48):
through all of the star players on their roster, including
Justin Herbert, and now they're a team that has been
to the playoffs and the only one catching the heat
is their head coach. They're doing everything in their power
to make Justin Herbert's life easier and make it successful.
The Buffalo Bills, I know they went to the playoffs
(11:08):
shortly before they drafted Josh Allen, but they had gone
thirteen years without making the playoffs. They were the punchline
to all the jokes. They were in quarterback purgatory. They
draft Josh Allen and now they're competitive team and a
super Bowl favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
In some people's book, the.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Jacksonville Jaguars or the laughingstock of the league, you got
to move out of Jacksonville. You can't win there, you
can't compete there. And even in Trevor Lawrence's first year,
they won one game and hired a college coach that
was an abject disaster. They figured it out, they made
the playoffs, They won a game last year, and then the.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Favorite to win their division this year.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Don't get mad at me for saying that Carl Williams
is completely out of touch. Don't get mad at me
for saying, like Kayleb Williams is in his own feelings.
Just get mad at the data that tells you they
don't know what they're talking about. And people who iterate
and reiterate this nonsense are completely out of their minds
(12:05):
and don't realize that if you get the right quarterback
and you'd figure it out, you're gonna be fine, even
if you want to pick out Kyler Murray. Did they
do everything in their power to make Kyler Murray work?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They hired a head coach who had known him since
he was in high school, They played an offense that
he had played since high school.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
They traded for.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And gave a new contract to one of the elite
wide receivers in the league. And oh yeah, by the way,
whatever you think of Kyler Murray and his desire to
play video games instead of study film. In his first
three years in the league, they got better every year
and ended up in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The only reason they fell apart last year was.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
DeAndre Hopkins was suspended first six six games and then
Kyler Murray towards They went all in, and they still
gave Kyler Murray a new contract before that season.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You can tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It hasn't worked out where Kyler Murray is the best
quarterback on earth. He's not an All Pro, and he
may be sent shopping. He'll get all of his money,
he'll get another opportunity. And making the playoffs in your
third year after being the number one overall pick seems
to be a win for Arizona. And oh yeah, by
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the way, everyone talking about organizations and front offices and
who wins and who loses. If you're the worst team
in football generally is generally the case. You get rid
of the gentle manager, you get rid of the head coach,
and you can question owners all you want. Okay, and
owners do make bizarre decisions.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
As we've seen from the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right they drafted Johnny Manziel and everything, and everyone told
them not to. Hey, owner's own, they'll screw it up.
But eventually they figured out, you get the right quarterback
as they think they got it with Deshaun Watson, and
you'll be fine. There is Eli Manning was twenty years ago,
(14:19):
John Elway was thirty five years ago.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Those are two instances of guys forcing their way to
other places. And by the way, when Joe Burrow came out,
I said Hey, if Burrow doesn't want to play for
the Bengals, that's fine. ELI didn't want to play for
the Chargers. Just you want, just so you know, the
Chargers won that trade. Yes, ELI won two Super Bowls, right,
(14:48):
the Chargers won that trade. Go back and look, it
ain't close. It ain't close. I'm not even saying that
the car wouldn't trade or shouldn't trade the pick. I'm
saying there is zero recent last twenty years after you
I manning legitimacy to the argument as opposed to Joe Burrow,
(15:18):
Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence, and even Kyler Murray
who resuscitated dead NFL teams and took them all to
the playoffs in their first NFL contract and all will
have or have gotten gigantic new second contracts. I hate
(15:43):
to be that guy because this has nothing to do
with political affiliation at all, but there's a feelings element
to it from Kayleb Williams and even his dad, and
the facts tell you something completely different. You don't want
to be the first overall pick. It's counterintuitive. I don't
(16:07):
know how to tell you this, Carl, but every professional
sports league has a draft. They all reward the worst
team with the strongest likelihood of getting the number one
overall pick. And to Caleb, I've always gotten to pick
my teams. I've always gotten to pick your schools. Well,
I mean, that's part of the problem is we allow
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people to pick what high school they go to, what
AAU team, whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And this is the real world. Right before you were
getting paid, you didn't have to pay taxes.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You probably never did any laundry before, you didn't have
to worry about a lot of real life stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Now you do.
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Speaker 1 (17:03):
So Chandler Jones posted and deleted on his social media
Monday night that quote the Raiders wouldn't let him in
the building.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He wrote that he felt provoked. It's a shame.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I am a top athlete with one hundred and twelve
sacks in the NFL. I have to go to a
local gym to work out during the season no apparent reason.
This is wild to me. That Josh wild to me Josh,
and you know it, you need to do what's right.
Blanket well blank not the blanket, not something that blank
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or bleep it. I don't want to play for the
Raiders if if, if that's my head coach or GM,
I want Patrick Graham. Graham, also a former Patriot coach,
is the Raiders defensive coordinator. So this was Josh McDaniels
(18:00):
and he's exchanged with the reporters this morning about Chandler Jones.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I'm not going to talk about the you know, that's
kind of a personal situation, and you know, we've never
really gone into you know, those kind of things, so
I'm going to steer away from that. You know, it's
a private matter, and you know, if there's something to
report on it, then you know, we'll do that. But
as of right now, no.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
There's nothing. There's nothing to tapa. No, I don't you know.
Right now, we're going day to day.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's not going to be here today, so we'll we'll
kind of take it one day at a time.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Warrant talk with the team.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
To kind of yeah, I'm not going to get into this,
you know what I mean. So it's a personal situation,
it's a private matter.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know, we want to.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Talk about the game on Sunday. I'll be excited to
talk about the games. The game. He's not a captain,
so you.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Like I said, we're we're dealing with it internally, We've
dealt with it, but we're not gonna not going to.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Get into this.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
What's what's fascinating about this is, Okay, Chance Jones obviously
made a name for himself initially with the Patriots. Then
he moved on to the Cardinals and he had that
one season in twenty nineteen where he had nineteen sacks
with the Cardinals. Then he was with the Lions, and
(19:16):
of course when he was with the Lions, that was
when a former Patriots coach was the head coach and
the GM of the Lions. And then of course he
went back to the Cardinals and now he's with the Raiders.
So part of this is I'm guessing that the Patriots
and the Patriot way, and you know, the guys Josh
McDaniels is obviously a former Patriot assistant. They felt like
(19:38):
they knew Chandler Jones. Have a good relationship with Chandler Jones.
He's not the guy he used to be, still very effective,
but he's clearly the second guy there. I'm gonna guess,
like I hadn't even I hadn't even looked it up,
hadn't even looked it up, and I thought this was
(20:01):
the case. And so what I did was I tried
to figure out what would be behind this. Right, John
Jones is his brother. Right, John Jones has been super
talented in MMA, but you know how many times has
he gotten suspended for peds. I was gonna guess this
(20:22):
was about one thing, and then I looked it up
and I was pretty much right. And it's about his contract.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's gonna make a lot of money this year. He
got seventeen million in a cash advance. But at the
end of this year his contract is up. They can
get out of it, and they don't really owe much
of anything. And so even though there's sixteen million dollars
in base salary, seventeen million dollars overall, he ain't getting
(20:57):
any of that because it's up. My guess is this
is all about he won a contract extension before the
year kicked off. He wasn't going to get it, and
this is just a way to bring attention to himself.
Chandler Jones outstanding player. Probably not a Hall of Famer,
but a Hall of really really really good, really good,
(21:20):
a good player. But you reached thirty three, you're clearly
the second best pass rusher on your own depth chart.
They got other issues and other fires they're trying to
put out. They don't want to give you a contract extension,
and so you cause all kinds of ruckus and Josh
mcdanz's like, you know, just take a day off, we'll
(21:42):
see it work, show up and show up on Sunday.
That's what it feels like to me. Buyers that do
you think that's completely off? I mean, it is a week.
It is a weird story, a weird story, but that's
what it feels likes at work.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Here tis the season.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah right, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You get right right up next to You're like, dude,
I don't want to play and I don't have a
contract next year. That's how they all work. Sean Merriman
joins us, of course, a former Chargers great All Pro linebacker.
He's the founder of Lights Out Extreme Fighting. By the way,
he's here on behalf of bet online. Sean, what what
what is it like? You didn't leave in your prime,
(22:23):
but you also had more football to play. Okay, what
is it like when you get towards the end there
and you're coming into a season and you only have
that year left in your contract.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Well, you know the crazy thing about the NFL, Doug,
you don't know right Like, they make the decision for you.
So even though you're going to a contract year and
lasting your deal, uh, it could be a new coaching
staff or new DISK, new ownership, a new GM could
be coming, and everything could be changed, so totally out
of your control. The only the only thing a guy
can do. It at that point, a player can get
(22:57):
on the field and play his butt off right out
there and and hope that somebody watching that film, some GM,
some cold to whoever, and he wants to get paid
either with that team or somewhere else. So that's all
the guy that could really control going into his last
year of the deal.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
When you got drafted by the Chargers, I was, I
don't know if you know this story, because I know
you do a lot of other stuff. Okay, So Caleb
Williams is the top quarterback in college like to be
the number one over ball pick GQ magazine. His dad's like, hey,
he could go back for another year, And it's the
idea of do you really want to go to a
bad organization? Right when you went to the Chargers, there
(23:32):
was still a lot of talk of hey, you don't
want to go Remember Eli Manning didn't want to play
for the Chargers, And my point was kind of dated, right,
look at the Chargers now. But all of these guys
that have gone to bad organizations recently, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence,
Josh Allen Heck, even Kyler Murray they went to the playoffs,
got a new contract, it feels like that's dated data.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, it's fair to a point, right, because in Eli's
dial when he didn't go to Charges, he told the
Charges before he got on that Archie Manning his dad
didn't want him to go in there going there. So
I think that when you put it out there that
way to the guy don't want to be there, it
makes it a little bit more difficult because he's telling
you way before the advance and he didn't want to
go there. Obviously. You know Kayler Williams dad. By the way,
(24:20):
Caylen Williams is from my hometown in Washington, DC, So
I know them. I know them very well. If he
says he's not trying to go there, trust me, he's
not trying to go there. The difference is now is
that players have more say so in what happens in
their future in their careers. And that's that's coming from
college all the way with nil all way to the
pros now. So if Cayler Williams dad is telling the
(24:42):
team that, hey, we don't want to come here, it
makes it extremely difficult for a team to draft you.
After that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Sean Merriman joining us here, Curtsey a bet on line
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(25:08):
his knee and we still haven't seen Chris Jones. Now,
historically you look at at Pat Mahomes first game of
the season, he lights it up. But if you were
to go to bed online and put some money down,
Lions are a four and a half point dog. What
do you think of the Chiefs and the Lions tomorrow
(25:29):
night in Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I'm telling you right now, Doug, to be honest. I
know you see the odds and whatnot. Pat Mahomes is
a great quarterback. I don't want to take any thanking
for him. Obviously, Travis Kelsey not being on the field
is going to hurt him a bit. They're not putting
enough emphasis on Chris Jones not being there, and I
know they have one game to the past. We're not
having great players around past. Mahomes is still able to
(25:51):
go out and get a championship. If you look at
that game last year towards the end, who ended that game?
It was Chris Jones. You can get to a certain point,
and I think that Green Bay Packers found us out
that if you don't put somebody around great quarterbacks at
some point in time, they will get exposed. They need
to pay more attention to that Chris Jones contract. I
(26:11):
wouldn't say he's better than Aaron Donna, but they are
in the same sentence. So you have to really look
at how their team was built and what guys can
go out and make plays and change the game for you.
Because last year Chris Jones into that game. For him,
he needs a new deal. They need to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, no, I'm there's no doubt we're getting closer and
closer to when he's going to lose one point nine
million per year. So you may make it up in
the next contract, but there may be some loss in
the meantime. What about the Chargers, I know you're still
close with the team. I know you still go to
preseason workouts and the practices and the games as well.
(26:49):
On paper, this is one of the most talented teams
in the NFL. What's it going to take for them
to take that next step and win a playoff game,
win some of these close games in the regular season.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
You know, juge, it's gonna come down to health.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I know it sounds kind of, you know, simple and okay,
help it. But if you look at last year, the
amount of guys that went down right, and I'm talking
about from Khalil Mackin and Joey Boston not been on
the field at the same time for most of the season.
The same thing with Ken Island and Mike Williams. You know,
was Shawn Slater going down last year killed them because
they had to shift the run an offensive line. Justin
(27:24):
Herbert hurt his ribs early on in the season. He
was hurt for four to six weeks. We've never seen
anything like that in NFL. With that Jason Jackson right
goes down to the knee injury for the year, right,
and when you're talking about couple of games, who's done
for the year. If they stay halfway healthy is they
did last year? Because my opinion that you know, people
talking about them getting bounced out of the playoffs by Jacksonville,
(27:44):
they probably with the amount of injuries they had during
the year, they probably shouldn't have been there in the
first place. If they stay healthy this year, this is
the best shot I think in the last decade for
the Charge to actually go out and win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I I agree with you, But that's that's that's a
big if.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
By the way they change their training staff, how big
any you've you've played, you've been hurt in the league,
how important is that in your mind in the overall
health of a team.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Well, you know, I know the trainers, the James Collins,
and and and d and all those guys are they're
great trainers. You can't stop a J. C. Jacksons just
come down in the back of the end zone on
his knee and tears his knee up. You can't count
those things happening. And a guy gets, you know, rolled
up under a pile, you can't change that. I get
what they're trying to do, what they want to do.
(28:32):
I think also too, when you trained, when you change
training staff, there's a young new method of how to
get guys healthy right to rehab the therapy. So when
you change training staff is because these guys coming in
with a different mentality to get everybody back on the field.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Sean Merriman joining joining us.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Nick Bosa also still holding out right, he's an unbelievable player, unbelievablelayer.
They're taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers. How much does that
change that game?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Bosa doesn't play tremendously, tremendously And then too, I think
everybody needs to understand this. When guys don't get paid,
it's not necessarily the teams don't want to pay him.
You know, you got the Fred Warner and some of
these other guys on the field that's making debo, just
making a ton of money, right, big context and trust
if they had the money just sitting around, they were
paying them. The second obviously a party who's going to
(29:22):
be up for a deal at some point too. You
know they're going to extend him if I don't believe
they have already, but they're going to. So you got them,
got Trent Williams right. You know, all these guys are
getting paid, right, and so it's not a thing whether
they want to pay him or not, but they need
to figure it out. You got the best player of
my team, the best player outside of Michael Parsons and
some of these guys would I would take Nick nick Bosa.
(29:44):
He's the best defensive player right now in the National
Football League, and they need to find a way to
get that contract situated because he's a big part of
what they're trying to build in San France.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Sean, I got to ask you the question that I
hate asking, but it's that time of the year, and
I know it's so much health dependent. You need a
little bit of luck. You mentioned the Chargers, but you
are here on the alphabet online. If you were going
to guess the Super Bowl teams this year, who would be?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It's okay if the Chargers stay healthy. I'm going with
them MAYNC and I'm gonna tell you something on the
NFC side that nobody's talking about. There's nothing against you know,
the Eagles and what they built. Jalen Hurts, all these
guys great, but they did have an offensive defense coordinator.
Coaches leave, so I want to see their scheme and
Jalen cart all these guys are great. It's one team
(30:33):
that nobody's talking about, and that's Detroit Lions. They're not
talking about them enough. That division has gotten weaker, uh,
with with Aaron Rodgers leaving, with Dalvin Cooks leaving, that
division's gotten weaker. If they can get and win that division,
get into the playoffs, they become a team now that
you don't necessarily want to play because of their style
of football, very much like when the Chargers are lost
(30:55):
to Jacksonville last year. Jacksonville's another team that you just
didn't want to play, especially first, you know, first game
in that in the playoffs, they are another team that's carrying.
And I'm not saying they're gonna win the super Bowl,
but if anybody's not looking at them to be at
least far into playoffs, but also have a chance to
win the Super Bowl. That just the year that they
could do it.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Sean great stuff man.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Uh.
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Speaker 3 (32:04):
Breaking news from Fox Sport.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
The holdout is over for one defender. The San Francisco
forty nine Ers and pass rusher Nick Bosa have agreed
on a new deal that makes Bosa the highest paid
player in NFL history. A five year deal worth one
hundred and seventy million dollars. According to multiple reports, Bosa
gets one hundred and twenty two and a half million
dollars guaranteed. Doug, the average annual salary for Bosa breaks
(32:30):
down to thirty four million dollars per season, breaking the
mark set by Aaron Donald, who makes more than thirty
one and a half million dollars. Nick Bosa and the
Niners agreeing on a new five year deal.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
All right, so let's get to game time.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
This is game time, game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
I also want to pass along that the Chiefs have
officially listed Travis Kelce as questionable for tomorrow's game against
the Lions. All right, Doug, the game today is what
are the chances?
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
One of the chances is that one of the two
teams Eagles or Chiefs from Super Bowl fifty seven make
it to Super Bowl fifty eight.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Ten percent chance. H It's a pretty low percent chance.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, yes, I mean, look, I think a lot of
things went right for the Eagles last year. Had unbelievable roster,
and they had the easiest they had the easiest schedule
in the NFL and the one tough team they played
on the way to the Super Bowl didn't have a
quarterback in the second half. So yeah, I think those things.
(33:42):
Now you have seven new starters, and you have two
new coordinators, and you have a much more difficult schedule,
likelihood of repeating grand the NFC is not strong, and
they still have a very strong roster.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I don't think it's great.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And then that I just I don't want to bet
against any reading Pat Mahomes. Those are the only two
reasons that you would think the chiefs ki at the
Super Bowl because the rest of the roster isn't great.
It's really top heavy, assuming they eventually get Chris Jones
back and eventually Travis Kelcey is healthy.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Doug, what are the chances that Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers
is a part of the MVP discussion this season?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
I would say sixty percent chance. It's really good. It's good.
I mean it's better than fifty eight. That's sixty to sixty.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I can be pushed a little bit higher. I mean
he's always part of the discussion. Obviously last year was disappointing,
but he'd won two in a row the year before.
That years before that, and you know, considering how that
offense was previously, any sort of improvement he's going to get.
He's going to get the accolades because of it. I'd
say sixty percent.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Now Nick Bosa got his deal, he was a holdout.
Mike Evans has set a deadline for this weekend to
get a long term deal as he enters the final
year of his contract. He's been with the team though, Doug,
what are the chances that the Buccaneers trade Mike Evans
this season?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I think pretty good. I think like in the forty
percent variety. Forty percent variety. I mean, it's obvious that
they want to rework some things, right, they want to
turn that roster over, and Evans is not going to
come cheap. I think forty percent chance somebody takes on
a bunch of that money here and then gives them
a new deal in the process.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
One more NFL and then a couple of college football ones. Doug,
what are the chances that LA starts to become a
Chargers town?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Well, it's all if they win a super Bowl, right, Well,
go to or win a super Bowl. That's how it
generally works in Los Angeles and I'd say there's a
thirty percent chance that happens that they go to a
super Bowl. They're that talented, you know. I mean there's
certain teams. Last year, the Eagles were just very talented.
The Niners are very talented. I think the Chargers are
in that conversation, if healthy, thirty percent chance that becomes
(35:57):
a Charger town.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Doug, what are the chances that Florida's is back?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Pretty good? I think pretty good, sixty five chance.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
The acc overall is pretty solid, Like I think obviously
Duke's a little better, and he thought Clemson is not
as bad as you know. They statistically dominated that game,
terrible in the red zone, two block field goals. But
I think Florida State's the class of that league, and
they were closed last year. I think they're closer this year.
I'd say like sixty five percent chance.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Yeah, North Carolina's good. You know, you talked about Drake
may earlier, Doug. Finally, what are the chances that Colorado
goes to a bowl game?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Starting to think pretty good, I'd say seventy five percent chance.
Remember you don't even have to get over five hundred
to get to a bowl game. And of their the schedule.
I mean Oregon and USC are looming, but it's not
like they they play Oregon USC every week.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I'll go seventy five percent chance to go to a
Bowl game.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
And that's game time.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
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All right, we'll we'll.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Talk about the Joey Bosa and messume me Nick Bosa contract.
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