April 18, 2024 • 38 mins
Coming off of the Hawks play-in game loss, Doug talks about their star Trae Young and what his future with the team is. Doug welcomes the Boston Globe's Ben Volin onto the show to talk about the Bill Belichick-Robert Kraft report and to chat about other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug and the crew through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, I think there's something interesting going on in
the NBA and the next three to five months will
be really really telling.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We'll get to that up coming in the show. Welcome in.
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome in.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So here's here's what happened last night. The Heat lost
to the Sixers. They had a big lead, Sixers come
storm back and get the win. They also lost Jimmy
Butler potential mcl injury. And of course this is important
because the Heat have to play another game now if
they want to win their way in and they'll play
against Chicago Bulls. The Sixers will face the Knicks, and
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the Sixers get healthy. The Knicks, of course, aren't as
healthy because they don't have Julius Randall for the rest
of the season out with that shoulder surgery. But there's
a couple things here, a couple things here, and all
these stories then ultimately become related.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But last night was the last.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Game of the season for the Atlanta Hawks, and if
you watch the game in the first half, you're like, man,
did the Hawks?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
He want to be here?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Down eighteen at the end of the first quarter, and
then you know they were down nearly twenty at the
end of the third quarter. The game was essentially and
Trey Young, who of course has missed a substantial amount
of time with injury late in the season. He didn't
shoot the ball particularly well. He's four of twelve from field,
three of eight from three. He ends up with twenty
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two points. He did have six turnovers to go along
with ten assists. But the big number is plus minus.
He was a minus twenty seven, And if you don't
know what plus minus is, that's the difference in the
score when you're in the game for your team versus
the other team. And if you look at you know,
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DeAndre Hunter was terrible last night, and he was just
a minus sixteen. Clint Capella minus five, bog Don Bogdanovitch
was a plus one. De Jontay Murray was a minus six. Meanwhile,
Trey Young was a minus twenty seven. And Atlanta's left
with a really really interesting decision. And you'll hear people
I heard Skip Bayless talk about how the fact he
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turns the ball over a lot and he hasn't shout, Well,
that's not really the problem. Okay, not really the problem.
How many of you remember the name Kobe White. Kobe
White's been the NBA for four years, all right, So
COVID year was his when COVID year, When COVID came
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around two thousand, we didn't get a chance to see
him in the tournament. He averaged almost twenty a game
this year. He had forty two last night. And I
don't need to draw matchups for you to understand that
when one guy has forty two and the other guys
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when we're talking about maybe that's the guy he guarded,
and it was he didn't guard him every time he
didn't have all forty two Entree Young. But you get
the point.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So here's where we here's where you are.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And this is a fascinating discussion because I want to
get into Twitter and how people have lost their mind
over who has a shoe and who doesn't have a shoe.
With women's basketball, it's just calm. But this is a really,
really hard business decision. You're the Atlanta Hawks. You're not
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going to win big with Trey Young.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You're just not.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Can you reform the team like they went out and
got to Jean Tay Murray because they're like, man, here's
a two way guard who can really hide Trey's weaknesses
and you give him another weapon to work with. And
it's been a bit of a disaster by the language
wasn't great last night between the two hasn't been good
for a while. And you're at this point, Now here's
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the upside of Trey Young. Like as a person, there's
no flaws, right, He's very much a in Atlanta, a superstar.
And the Hawks for all of our lifetime never drew
anybody to their games, and now they're a hot ticket.
Why people love Trey Young and he is talented and
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he puts up numbers, but you're I can win the
playoffs because he's little ended in guarding body and you'd
have to completely reconstruct your team around him to hide that,
and even then.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Not really sure you'd be good enough.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
They've tried several different coach, they've tried different coaches, they've
tried different rosters.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's all been the same.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They did have the one Eastern Conference Finals run, but
that seems like so far in the past, and there's
a lot of other.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Factors who went along with it.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
But here's the thing, is it actually smart business practice
to trade Trey Young?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, look, they they've had talented teams in the past,
didn't They have the one seed with Mike Butenholzer, and
yet weren't really a thing now they are. People love
Trey Young, but is your designs to win or to
make money? And as much as you can make a
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lot more money if you win a championship, in order
to win a championship, you gotta part ways to Tray Young.
You gotta completely rework your rostra and doesn't just happen overnight,
and then you still have to have a little luck
like the Trey Young thing, is on some levels the
Dak Prescott thing where what you have is really good
and you know you're gonna be really good and you
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know you're gonna sell tickets. So do you want to
go for the brass ring or are you just okay
going like, you know what, we just make the playoffs.
When we sell a bunch of seats, and you know,
maybe we have a crazy year and.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We keep trying.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
To reconfigure it, that's the best action.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's a very hard decision, is it not.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Because if you just say, hey, like we're gonna trade
Tray Young, like, you're not gonna get back what he
brings you. Your whole team plays off of everything he does.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And while it may feel better for everybody else to.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Touch the basketball, you're not gonna have anybody passes like
him or shoots like him, or is the dynamic of
Trey Young. On the other hand, you have enough years
now to say this is what we're tapping out on.
This is where we are sell a lot of seats
out in the first round or out in the play in.
And the only reason you're in the play in is
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because he got hurt byro Where are you on that?
If you were Atlanta and you're trying to figure out
what do we do. Do you keep selling seats and
hold on to Trey Young, or do you say the
hell with that, We're here to win championships and you
move off of.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I don't want to be pigeon holeding to those two
avenues because I do think that you need to move
off of him. And this is someone who's not been
a Tray Young fan, basically dating back to the second
half of his freshman year at Oklahoma, when I felt
the Tray Young craze just overtook everything. I think that
you have to trade him because if you just settle
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for the short term, at some point, it is all
going to wear thin, which I think that it already has,
and when you then end up trading him, say I
don't know, a year or two down the line, or
keep him around at some point whenever you actually do
move on from him, which your team won't be better
in the period that he's there, his value at that
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point would not be as much as it is right now.
And to your point of saying that it's probably not
enormously high right now, I absolutely agree with that, but
I actually think it could be even more diminished later
on down the line. If they stick around, I think
it is time to move on for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What do you think there, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
I'll let you guys are Atlanta Hawks insider Jason Stewart, Yeah, definitely,
I'll let the basketball people talk about this stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
But you do bring up something that I'm going to
make a complete left hand turn on Trey Young's game, Doug.
I heard you tell a guest yesterday that you think
that Caitlin Clark's game is kind of in between Trey
Young and Steph Curry. You just kind of said it
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in passing and I'm like, WHOA, that's that's actually a
quite a statement. Explain that, because if Trey Young is
is what he is in the NBA, and we kind
of know what he is and what you're getting if
you trade for him, is that the kind of impact
that it's gonna that's going to be this superstardom in
the WNBA or is it just gonna kind of be
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a nice scorer and a good story and will lose interest.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't know. Again, I can't.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I am not I'm just not qualified to, you know
what I mean, Like, I have no idea the level
of athleticism that she faces at Iowa, that she's faced.
You know, she didn't seem to have any problem scoring
at times against LSU scoring being yourself. And usually usually
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when you get to pro basketball, you have more space
because at least in the men's game, the rules are
such where there's nobody in the lane and it creates,
you know, more opportunities if you can, if you can
get a step.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But I don't know. I would guess that she can score.
I can guess that she can pass.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And that the top end players for the most part
in the WNBA are not so athletically gifted that there's
a distinct, you know, a distinct advantage between some and others.
It's usually skill based. So I'm led to believe that
she can be really good. I have no idea what
she looks like against the top end. I can't, you
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know what I mean, Like, I'm not going to sit
here and lie to you and go like yeah. But
when I say that, I mean, okay, how does Here's
where it's like Steph And this is where when you
say Steph's the greatest point guard, when of the great
point guards of all time, you're being disingenuous because he
doesn't really play point guard. But he also isn't really
a two. He's a combo. He's the classic combo. He
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can play with the ball in his hands, he can
play without the ball in his hands, and he's probably
more dangerous without the ball in his hands. You know,
the problem when you don't have the ball in your
hands is people can keep you from getting it. And
that's what he ran into the other night against the Kings.
But when I said, you know Trey Young, it's Trey
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Young's a little bit more of a creative passer like
Caitlin Clark is and incredible off a ball screen, whereas
Steph Curry is a lot more off of the basketball
and a good passer. But I don't think nearly the
creative passer of Trey Young. That's where the combination of
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the two come in.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
How about this, I'll throw this at yet, because this
is actually where I feel Trey Young's not his game,
but really of who he is and where he fits
in the NBA. He's more James Harden for me. Where
you look at the numbers, they're magnificent, twenty five points,
twenty six points, double digit assists.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But does that help you win?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, but James Harden in regular season one more than
he did.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So I I mean, like, look, here's the thing. In
physical stature, it's really hard to be that size and
guard anybody. Okay, but there's a give up to how
he like he won't try and play any defense. That's
where it's like hard Like James Harden, would you know
recently his last probably five years in the playoffs, he'll
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make at least some form of an effort, sure, you know,
but there's no way he wouldn't try at all. And
Trey Jung is in the not try like they go.
He wants no part of contact, He wants no part
of guys going into bigger guys running into him. He
literally plays defense just so he can play offense.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I got.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's see, It's like Marshawn Lynch. Yeah, I'm just so
here so I don't get fined. That's place to go it.
It's like, hey, I'm just here because in order to
play what I really want to do, they had to
tell me I had to come down to this end.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I'm curious, and I'm curious if Jason and Sam understand
what I'm saying, and Doug, obviously I respect your opinion
about this, but when I see Caitlin Clark make an assist,
I feel like she did it for Iowa. When I
see Trey Young get an assist, I feel like he
did it for Trey Young.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No, it's listen, it's a it's a real thing. Okay,
there are NBA people. The reason I'd make the All
Star Game for the most part is because other players
aren't into him because they feel like he'll do that,
like he'll take one extra dribble where you're gonna have
to and Lebron does the same thing, by the way,
where you're going to have to shoot the ball when
he gives it to you, whereas if he gave it
to you early, you might shoot or you might drive it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And then he gets the hockey assist.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So there's a there's a real belief there that And
I've told people before, I've told me this story. Stefan
Marbury was famous in the NBA where where I had
a buddy who was on his team when he was
with the and be like, dude, Steph will give us
twenty and eight tonight you watch, but the twenty won't
help us win and the eight won't make anybody better,
And that's what you get a lot with Trey. You
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allowed with Tray, Now could that part be? Could you
help that some if you're with a really strong personality
older players, like, look, dude, just go play it if
we win. Yes, but I don't think the defense can
be managed, Like you adn't guard anybody your whole life.
Now all of a sudden, you're like six seven years
in the NBA and you're a perennial All Star, and
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they're like, you got, all of a sudden, you got
to start guarding somebody you never have before, and you're
really slightly built, Like, I don't know, man, I don't know.
What's interesting, though, is that all of these answers are
the exact answers we think, like, why don't people in
the NBA Respectral Young?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He doesn't guard anybody.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Why doesn't Jai Wilson have a shoe and Nike he
doesn't believe it'll sell right or sell enough? Like the
answers aren't that hard to come by? Sometimes the most
obvious answer is in fact the answer. But I'm with you, Dan,
I don't think you in with him. But if you're
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Atlanta just sit there and go like, I don't know,
we're selling a lot of tickets. Doesn't really matter that much.
I'm gonna guess because you have Landry Fields is your
first time GM, and he's young, he wants to win,
and then Quinn wants to win.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
How much do you think the Luca trade plays into it?
Like plays into how we look at Trey Young.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Because there's an example of people who don't understand the
sport is to go like, hey, look, Luca doesn't guard
anybody and he dominates the ball, and he's like, well,
first of all, Luca is massively bigger, can put his
body and does does give some effort at times. And
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Luca also has won and you don't have to count
winning in Europe if you don't want. But at nineteen
years old to win a European championship is you know,
the in the FEBA final four is pretty big. And
then he's won internationally as well with far inferior talent,
and I think, you know, outside of last year's disaster
with all the injuries in the trade that was too
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late to build a team around him, They've been way
better in the NBA than their talent says they should be.
But how much does that play in. I don't think
a lot, because none of the play none of the players,
the front office for the Hawks, none of them were
there when that happened.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I think it's a bigger issue.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
That you have a new GM, you have new coaches
then coached him, so they don't have a tie an
emotional tie to Trey Ung.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I get that portion and whether the fact is the
Atlanta Hawks at one point did have that pick and
could have just taken Luca and kept him instead of
trading him to Dallas. And when guys are you know,
just like Byton Manning and Ryan Leaf because you know
they're one two, like this is a trade, like that's
gonna stick with you as well, and to see how
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that has, you know, worked out, maybe not as great
as something for Dallas, but we think that Luca is
going to be, you know, the guy in the NBA
for the next decade and maybe plus and here Trey
Young is already honest, maybe way out of Atlanta. Yeah,
I think it's quite the quite the conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I think it's I think it's a great point, right,
And you know, you get people that say, what comparison
is the thief of joy like yeah, but they were
actually traded for one another. You Know's what's interesting is
in that same draft, remember the the the Sons head
coach was Luca's, a Slovenian team coach. They didn't draft
him and said they drafted DeAndre Aiden And so the
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Hawks aren't the only one that made mistakes.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But that's it seems like a glaring one.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
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Speaker 3 (18:16):
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No Zion, no Lakers because they're in the playoffs, and
no Warriors, no no games signed up the way, there's
no in there. King's Pearl's Night or is that Tomorrow night?
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You know, let's do Let's let's go to a guy
who knows more than me. Let's go to Dan Byer, Danny,
what do you got?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
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Volin joins this Boston Globe covers the entire National Football League.
There was an article on ESPN yesterday that basically said, hey, uh,
Bob Craft, Bob Kraft, I gave a poor a poor
review to Arthur Blank, and that's essentially why Belichick didn't
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get the Falcons job. What have you heard in regards
to what the Patriots say when they call and ask
about Bill.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Yeah, that was an excellent article yesterday from ESPN, adding
a lot of context to the situation and things that
have kind of some things that had been out there,
some things that hadn't, So I thought it was an
excellent article. Yeah. So to me, obviously the kind of
head the big headline is that Robert Kraft and kind
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of helped tank Bill Belichick's candidacy there. But I don't
think it was the overriding decision. I think ultimately, at
least from what I heard that Arthur Blank was certainly
enamored with Bill Belichick, but no one else in the
building what the Falcons was. And this was all in
the article too. I mean, when you bring in Bill
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BELLI check you know, he's been very difficult to deal
with in his time with the Patriots. He's obviously someone
who's only known to have total control and total power.
And even if he says sure, I'd be willing to
see some of my power. I mean he's been famous
for over the years for kind of you know, holding guys,
you know, Wes Welker holding him out for a quarter
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because he didn't like what he said in the media,
Malcolm Butler benching him in the Super Bowl, like, you know,
if he gets Belichick, gets the player that the GM
gives him that Belichick doesn't like, how's that going to work?
So I just think everyone in the building really wanted
nothing to do with Belichick, and it was all about
Arthur Blank wanting him, and ultimately Arthur Blank decided to
side with his own people who he'd worked with for
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several years instead of kind of tearing everything up and
starting over with Bill Belichick. So I think the Robert
Craft up to Arthur Blank. It certainly didn't help the situation.
It probably helped crystallize in Arthur Blank's mind that it
wasn't going to work. But ultimately I think it's you know,
Arthur Blank chose his own employees, his own GM, his
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own KEE president over an unknown outside guy like Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Okay, so Belichick's going to do media for the draft,
He's going to do media during the year. Looks like
he's going to do stepping with with Peyton mans Omaha group.
Is he doing this to keep himself in the game
or is he doing this to change the perception so
that he gets back at being a head coach.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Yes, and yes, I think all of it. I think
he wants to stay involved. I mean, this is the
first time in fifty years that he's not on an
NFL sideline, So you know, I think he's going to
enjoy it. I think once these coaches get out of
the game and they have their Sundays back and they
can just watch games and watch the red Zone channel
and all that, that they realize how great it is
and how much they missed. But you know, clearly, this
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is a man who's spent his entire life in football
and probably doesn't fully know what to do with himself
right now. So I think doing Peyton Manning stuff and
NFL film stuff is going to help him stay in
the game. And I think there's a lot of image
rehabilitation going on, and we saw it back in December
when he went on College Game Day before the Army
Navy game in Foxborough. He was putting on the old
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leather helmet and showing, you know, showing some personality and
cracking jokes. And so we'll see a lot more of
that side of Bill Belichick this year, because he does
have a personality, does have a good dry sense of humor,
and he's been taking a beating the last few years
in public perception and all this stuff that the Patriots
are pumping out now with the dynasty and all this,
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it's not helping Belichick at all. So definitely, I think
you'll see him being in the media and trying to
show a little bit more personality so he can help
get a job next year.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Ben Bolan joining us here Boston Glove Doug Gottlieb show
on FO for Trady covers the entire NFL. Number two
seems to set the path of the draft. Who's the
quarterback the Commanders take.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
I've been on the In Daniels train since January. I
think clearly that seems to be where they're heading. Everything
you hear about him is, you know, the athleticism of
Lamar Jackson, but maybe a more refined passer than Lamar
was coming out of college. And I just think Jayden
Daniels is a more sure thing right now than you're
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Drake Mays and JJ McCarthy. So I think you know
Adam Peters today thing, we feel pretty good at number two.
If you're a fan, that's what you want to hear
the team has a clear conviction. I'm a Patriots fan
right now, and I keep hearing how the team wants
to trade. That has me worried that if they're stuck
at number three, they're going to be taking a player
Drake May, JJ McCarthy someone else maybe that they don't
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have a total conviction on, that they're not totally sold on.
And to me, that's what the Patriots are telling us
by being so open about wanting to trade, that they
don't love any of these guys, and they probably feel
a lot better taking a quarterback at number nine than
they would at number three. So the commanders, I think,
are locked in on Jayden Daniels, and now the Patriots
and the Vikings and some of these teams have to
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decide which one of them wants more of the imperfect
quarterback prospects here in Drake May and JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to see what they
do there and how how that all that all works.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
What's happening in Dallas right Like, they're not going to
extend or tinker with Dak's deal, which makes it the
you know, the biggest cap hit they've ever had, gigantic
cap number, But that does allow them to to wash
their hands of him next year if they want to.
They could always franchise, tag them, they could always recite,
There's a lot of different options they could do, but
they're not going to extend him and move that kick
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that cap number at all down the road. What do
you think it says about the Cowboys in the sircuming season, Well.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I think the first thing what you said is most important.
It allows them to wash their hands with him next
year if they want to move on. I think it
is very telling that they're not trying to restructure Dak's
contract because it would be very easy to do so
and to create a lot of cap space. It's cap number,
it's fifty five million dollars. It's the second largest in
the league. Only Watson is higher at a preposterous sixty
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three million, but you know, even the gap between like
number two and number six is huge. I mean, dak
fifty five million dollar cap space is a huge waste
of cap space. It's hugely inefficient, and the fact that
the Cowboys are moving forward with it tells you that
they want to be able to wash their hands of
him next year if possible. I don't think the franchise
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tag is necessarily on the table because that would be
a huge number for Dak. The Cowboys, you know, they've
let these Dak Prescott negotiations get away from them ever since.
They you know, let Dak play out his rookie contract,
let him hit pre agency, and he got this massive deal,
you know, four or five years ago. And now they've
you know, been saddled with a quarterback make a ton
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of money who hasn't gotten them very far in the playoffs.
So I think this is a huge wait and see
year for the Cowboys, for Dak, for Mike McCarthy's in
the contract year. Defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer only signed for
one year, which is highly new. It's all it's all
in the line right now for the key players here
with the Dallas Cowboys and Dak has a great year.
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I think Jerry will gladly sign up for it again.
But they are taking a wait to see approach, and
it is very telling that they're not restructing Dak Prescott's contract.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
There's a lot of talk about the Vikings taking JJ McCarthy.
Then you have then you have Seattle that they it
feels like they need a young quarterback. And then you
have Pittsburgh who went and got two quarterbacks. Obviously Russell
Wilson the most decorated, but two guys. You're like, yeah,
of those three, who's the most like you to get
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a young guy and play him cool.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
I like Seattle as a sleeper. You said Seattle, and
you said Pittsburgh. And who was the other one?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Seattle, Pittsburgh, Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, definitely Minnesota is getting a quarterback. I mean that's
the reason they have eleven is twenty three. Whether you
know they they're able to sit at eleven, get JJ McCarthy.
I think the Vikings would actually prefer Drake May their quarterbacks.
Coach Josh McCown coached Drake May when he was in
high school. Drake May was a teammate of Josh McCown's
son at a high school in Charlotte and McCown was
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on the coaching staff then, so I just get this
feeling that the Vikings really do want Drake May. So
the fact that they have eleven and twenty three, I
think gives them plenty of ammunition to go trade up
into the top ten if May does fall past the
number three pick, and then obviously McCarthy is I think
their fallback option. So definitely the Vikings, and I do
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think the Seahawks are a wild card. Even though they
have Gino Smith. I know they've brought oh and they
traded for from the Commanders Sam Howell, so they have
enough this year, but clearly they need something for the future.
And as for the Steelers, I don't see them as
drafting anything but like a mid round quarterback. They're gonna
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try and make it work with Russell Wilson and Justin Field.
This year you had a first round quarterback to that
that just creates all kinds of drama and question marks,
and fans want to see the young kid. That's just
an easy way to thank your season. So I think
the Steelers are gonna if they do draft a quarterback,
it's only going to be a flyer in the mid
to late round.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, listen, we got you got a week to prep,
get rested, get your notes ready, make your calls. We'll
talk to you next week as you get ready for
the NFL Draft. Ben, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, thanks a lot, doud be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's the Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Ooh,
here's what I love about this game.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
A buyer.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You never experienced this because you're like none of you
guys your parents aren't Jewish. But I do feel like
you see. I can't tell you how many times when
my late father was alive, you beat a rest. I'd
be like, you feel a draft in here.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I I I gotta tell you, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What percentage of people who are forty five and younger
use that try. I feel like that term is gonna
go away.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Could be wrong. Let's get to our game.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Shoes.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I bring it up because Thursdays is I this is
my most favorite game that you have. I know you
have other game they're not. I'm not saying anything bad
about the other games, Dan, I just like this one.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Our interaction with it.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Sure, but it's called I Feel the Draft. I know
that's what's Thursday and I yeah, I don't know how
many people, younger people get the the the what's what's
Castanza's mom's name? Is that Irene Castando Castelle Costanza Stelle,
I feel the draft. That's like every Jewish mother and
Jewish father. That's I don't know why, or maybe it's
an East Coast thing. I'm not really sure, but the
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draft thing is definitely part of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
All right.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
So the game today is.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I Feel a draft.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Wow, this is a point of contention of the Estelle Costanza.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Sam did not include it today. I have it ready.
I just you voiced your displeasure with it. Yeah, I
think it's funny. You do, Doug?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Do you like the George's mom drop that only plays our.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Voiceco over guy here?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I like either of them?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, I play both of them.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
Let's hear the whole Hostel Cassandra seven.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
We have a boat.
Speaker 8 (30:47):
Or dish order a hot This is just such a
great exchange right there, order a hot dish. Forget it.
We have a boat. Are the best, They're superior.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
All right?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I feel a draft I did. I did say that
recently that I wish we didn't play that drop, and
so I think that's why Sam did not do it.
But trying to make everybody happy, we are drafting today, celebrities,
you've kind of had enough of kind of had like,
all right, I could, I could take a breather. I'm good,
I'm I'm done. Just give me, give me some sort
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of relief. Jason Stewart, you have the number one overall pick,
and I'm a second, Doug is third, Sam is fourth,
and with the two swim picks. All right, Jason, you
are on the clock. By the way, there is like
three or four nominees that we've mentioned on the shows
this week that I think we could see in this
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draft process.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
I'm really glad that you put me first here because
I think everyone agrees with this one. I was thinking
this just look ten days ago when I saw all
the coverage of WrestleMania. I've had enough of the Rock.
I've never I've never gone to see a movie because
of the Rock. Never really got into what the big
deal is about the Rock. He shows up every Sunday
(32:03):
at these USFL games. See, He'll show up at Daytona
five hundred, like you know, he shows up somewhere and
you're like, oh, he was available for this, that's weird.
The Rock is showing up. He's worn out. Welcome with
me and I'm sure many others. Give me one movie
you guys have gone out to see because the Rock
(32:23):
was in it. That proves my point. Thank you. Next.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's a hard one. It's a hard one to top.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, part of my thing is I've just never
really gotten the WWE thing. Like we used. We used
to make fun of my dad. He's my dad, would
think he was real. You can't tell him you can
fake that. Well, I mean it's acting.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Now tech technically. I did order a Rock film off
of our DVR, but it was my son who got
the remote one day and somehow we ordered Black Adam
and it cost meeteen ninety nine to do so, and
the company would not let me. They did not refund
the charges. I had to change the settings on the
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remote to be like now if I want to order
something like I have to call, Like, I can't just
do it from my remote because my son got it
and somehow we rented black Adam, did.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
You at least watch it?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
No?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Wh Yeah, no interest, no interest. All right, I'm gonna
go on the keels of this. I said it yesterday,
so I'll just take it, you know. Just there's a
little too much Sadakis with the whole the whole women's tournament,
and I think people just went I liked Ted Lasso,
I really enjoyed the show, but I just got sick
of how it was like changing people's lives, people making
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believe signs like this is. It's just a little too
much for me. And so I'm gonna go with sidekis.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Because he doesn't believe. He doesn't believe.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
That's the problem is he doesn't believe and believe, and
if you don't believe and believe, you can't believe.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I thought it was a real good show.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But yeah, I'm just teasy, Yeah, I know, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Here's the one thing that's interesting about sadeikis though, right,
he's been in a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Obviously this is his most successful, but.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
He's really like leaned into it, like he's almost pretending
like that's his character that he he wants, and I
think he's probably really smart. Probably you know, he'll be
able to do uh you know, TV commercials and Saturnite
live skits forever being ted Lasso.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But it's a it's a weird one. It is a
weird one, all.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Right, Doug, You're up at number three.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
God, this is so harduse there's so many celebrities that
I just want to have go away right.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I mean the problem is, I like both presidential candidates
go away right, Like you're old. Let's let somebody else
get the younger do this. But that's not that's not
a realism. That's not that's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Anybody want to make a trade, I'm not. I don't
feel solid enough in my position yet that I know
what I want. I'm kind of like the I'm at three,
I'm like the Patriots, like, yeah, I can take a quarterback,
but I'm kind of I'm up for if anybody wants
to trade up.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Sam, you want to trade up, you interesting, sure?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Anything else you want to trade, just switch spots, just
switch for a pick to be named later.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Kanye or yay okay. It
really has nothing to do with his music. He just
pops up in the news all the time for wearing
weird stuff, like being dressed in all silver and like
he's one of those like street performers pretending to be
a robot and like dressed in all one color looking.
He's just strange and he's a weird guy. He's mentally unwell.
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He's off his rocker, and I've had enough seeing him.
I don't care about him anymore. I don't want to
have anything to do with him.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
There is one redeeming quality about the new Kanye is
that every time he's out, his wife is with him,
and she's often half naked, if not completely.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Top inappropriately addressed the what do they call it, Walmart Kim,
It's just called it's called the Walmart Kim.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
That's that's cold, all right, you're out, doug.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Um God, this is a hard one for me.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
This is the Lebron James moment, like give me just
one wine from the movie. There's so many of them.
There's just so many.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
No, no, no, no, I mean you know, I mean
some of these people like Elon Musk, is he a celebrity?
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Sure, absolutely, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Elon Musk wants to start. He just tweeted that he's
gonna start fun to support the First Amendment. Like you
don't have to, dude, Like the first Amendents of the Costager.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Is not going away. I just he just annoyed.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
He's just obnoxious and annoying, and he's doing the he's
in his effort to protect the First Amendment and to
free up everything. What he's done is he's given a
platform to people who spread nonsense.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
And it's awful.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
And I think Twitter is an awesome device, and I'm
not saying he's ruined it, but between the amount of
porn and the amount of of just lies on it, Like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Elon Musk? Go away? All right?
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Sam?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
You want to make a quick pick here, Yep, I'm
gonna go with any Kardashian or Jenner. Don't you say
anything more?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Okay, I'm gonna go with j Lo if you know,
you know, and Jason Stewart your last pick.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Kevin Hart's got a recent h Kevin Hart is this
is like two years old. Two years ago, I could
have said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I'm done, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Kevin Hart was the other one on my list. I
was really torn between that yeah and all WNBA supporters
can go away, you're annoying.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
So I got the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, I think there's something interesting going on in
the NBA and the next three to five months will
be really really telling.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We'll get to that up coming in the show. Welcome in.
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome in.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So here's here's what happened last night. The Heat lost
to the Sixers. They had a big lead, Sixers come
storm back and get the win. They also lost Jimmy
Butler potential mcl injury. And of course this is important
because the Heat have to play another game now if
they want to win their way in and they'll play
against Chicago Bulls. The Sixers will face the Knicks, and
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the Sixers get healthy. The Knicks, of course, aren't as
healthy because they don't have Julius Randall for the rest
of the season out with that shoulder surgery. But there's
a couple things here, a couple things here, and all
these stories then ultimately become related.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But last night was the last.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Game of the season for the Atlanta Hawks, and if
you watch the game in the first half, you're like, man,
did the Hawks?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
He want to be here?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Down eighteen at the end of the first quarter, and
then you know they were down nearly twenty at the
end of the third quarter. The game was essentially and
Trey Young, who of course has missed a substantial amount
of time with injury late in the season. He didn't
shoot the ball particularly well. He's four of twelve from field,
three of eight from three. He ends up with twenty
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two points. He did have six turnovers to go along
with ten assists. But the big number is plus minus.
He was a minus twenty seven, And if you don't
know what plus minus is, that's the difference in the
score when you're in the game for your team versus
the other team. And if you look at you know,
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DeAndre Hunter was terrible last night, and he was just
a minus sixteen. Clint Capella minus five, bog Don Bogdanovitch
was a plus one. De Jontay Murray was a minus six. Meanwhile,
Trey Young was a minus twenty seven. And Atlanta's left
with a really really interesting decision. And you'll hear people
I heard Skip Bayless talk about how the fact he
(02:55):
turns the ball over a lot and he hasn't shout, Well,
that's not really the problem. Okay, not really the problem.
How many of you remember the name Kobe White. Kobe
White's been the NBA for four years, all right, So
COVID year was his when COVID year, When COVID came
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around two thousand, we didn't get a chance to see
him in the tournament. He averaged almost twenty a game
this year. He had forty two last night. And I
don't need to draw matchups for you to understand that
when one guy has forty two and the other guys
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when we're talking about maybe that's the guy he guarded,
and it was he didn't guard him every time he
didn't have all forty two Entree Young. But you get
the point.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So here's where we here's where you are.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And this is a fascinating discussion because I want to
get into Twitter and how people have lost their mind
over who has a shoe and who doesn't have a shoe.
With women's basketball, it's just calm. But this is a really,
really hard business decision. You're the Atlanta Hawks. You're not
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going to win big with Trey Young.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You're just not.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Can you reform the team like they went out and
got to Jean Tay Murray because they're like, man, here's
a two way guard who can really hide Trey's weaknesses
and you give him another weapon to work with. And
it's been a bit of a disaster by the language
wasn't great last night between the two hasn't been good
for a while. And you're at this point, Now here's
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the upside of Trey Young. Like as a person, there's
no flaws, right, He's very much a in Atlanta, a superstar.
And the Hawks for all of our lifetime never drew
anybody to their games, and now they're a hot ticket.
Why people love Trey Young and he is talented and
(04:56):
he puts up numbers, but you're I can win the
playoffs because he's little ended in guarding body and you'd
have to completely reconstruct your team around him to hide that,
and even then.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Not really sure you'd be good enough.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
They've tried several different coach, they've tried different coaches, they've
tried different rosters.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's all been the same.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They did have the one Eastern Conference Finals run, but
that seems like so far in the past, and there's
a lot of other.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Factors who went along with it.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
But here's the thing, is it actually smart business practice
to trade Trey Young?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I mean, look, they they've had talented teams in the past,
didn't They have the one seed with Mike Butenholzer, and
yet weren't really a thing now they are. People love
Trey Young, but is your designs to win or to
make money? And as much as you can make a
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lot more money if you win a championship, in order
to win a championship, you gotta part ways to Tray Young.
You gotta completely rework your rostra and doesn't just happen overnight,
and then you still have to have a little luck
like the Trey Young thing, is on some levels the
Dak Prescott thing where what you have is really good
and you know you're gonna be really good and you
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know you're gonna sell tickets. So do you want to
go for the brass ring or are you just okay
going like, you know what, we just make the playoffs.
When we sell a bunch of seats, and you know,
maybe we have a crazy year and.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We keep trying.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
To reconfigure it, that's the best action.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's a very hard decision, is it not.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Because if you just say, hey, like we're gonna trade
Tray Young, like, you're not gonna get back what he
brings you. Your whole team plays off of everything he does.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And while it may feel better for everybody else to.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Touch the basketball, you're not gonna have anybody passes like
him or shoots like him, or is the dynamic of
Trey Young. On the other hand, you have enough years
now to say this is what we're tapping out on.
This is where we are sell a lot of seats
out in the first round or out in the play in.
And the only reason you're in the play in is
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because he got hurt byro Where are you on that?
If you were Atlanta and you're trying to figure out
what do we do. Do you keep selling seats and
hold on to Trey Young, or do you say the
hell with that, We're here to win championships and you
move off of.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I don't want to be pigeon holeding to those two
avenues because I do think that you need to move
off of him. And this is someone who's not been
a Tray Young fan, basically dating back to the second
half of his freshman year at Oklahoma, when I felt
the Tray Young craze just overtook everything. I think that
you have to trade him because if you just settle
(07:53):
for the short term, at some point, it is all
going to wear thin, which I think that it already has,
and when you then end up trading him, say I
don't know, a year or two down the line, or
keep him around at some point whenever you actually do
move on from him, which your team won't be better
in the period that he's there, his value at that
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point would not be as much as it is right now.
And to your point of saying that it's probably not
enormously high right now, I absolutely agree with that, but
I actually think it could be even more diminished later
on down the line. If they stick around, I think
it is time to move on for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What do you think there, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
I'll let you guys are Atlanta Hawks insider Jason Stewart, Yeah, definitely,
I'll let the basketball people talk about this stuff.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
But you do bring up something that I'm going to
make a complete left hand turn on Trey Young's game, Doug.
I heard you tell a guest yesterday that you think
that Caitlin Clark's game is kind of in between Trey
Young and Steph Curry. You just kind of said it
(09:08):
in passing and I'm like, WHOA, that's that's actually a
quite a statement. Explain that, because if Trey Young is
is what he is in the NBA, and we kind
of know what he is and what you're getting if
you trade for him, is that the kind of impact
that it's gonna that's going to be this superstardom in
the WNBA or is it just gonna kind of be
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a nice scorer and a good story and will lose interest.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't know. Again, I can't.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I am not I'm just not qualified to, you know
what I mean, Like, I have no idea the level
of athleticism that she faces at Iowa, that she's faced.
You know, she didn't seem to have any problem scoring
at times against LSU scoring being yourself. And usually usually
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when you get to pro basketball, you have more space
because at least in the men's game, the rules are
such where there's nobody in the lane and it creates,
you know, more opportunities if you can, if you can
get a step.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But I don't know. I would guess that she can score.
I can guess that she can pass.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And that the top end players for the most part
in the WNBA are not so athletically gifted that there's
a distinct, you know, a distinct advantage between some and others.
It's usually skill based. So I'm led to believe that
she can be really good. I have no idea what
she looks like against the top end. I can't, you
(10:44):
know what I mean, Like, I'm not going to sit
here and lie to you and go like yeah. But
when I say that, I mean, okay, how does Here's
where it's like Steph And this is where when you
say Steph's the greatest point guard, when of the great
point guards of all time, you're being disingenuous because he
doesn't really play point guard. But he also isn't really
a two. He's a combo. He's the classic combo. He
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can play with the ball in his hands, he can
play without the ball in his hands, and he's probably
more dangerous without the ball in his hands. You know,
the problem when you don't have the ball in your
hands is people can keep you from getting it. And
that's what he ran into the other night against the Kings.
But when I said, you know Trey Young, it's Trey
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Young's a little bit more of a creative passer like
Caitlin Clark is and incredible off a ball screen, whereas
Steph Curry is a lot more off of the basketball
and a good passer. But I don't think nearly the
creative passer of Trey Young. That's where the combination of
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the two come in.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
How about this, I'll throw this at yet, because this
is actually where I feel Trey Young's not his game,
but really of who he is and where he fits
in the NBA. He's more James Harden for me. Where
you look at the numbers, they're magnificent, twenty five points,
twenty six points, double digit assists.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
But does that help you win?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, but James Harden in regular season one more than
he did.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
So I I mean, like, look, here's the thing. In
physical stature, it's really hard to be that size and
guard anybody. Okay, but there's a give up to how
he like he won't try and play any defense. That's
where it's like hard Like James Harden, would you know
recently his last probably five years in the playoffs, he'll
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make at least some form of an effort, sure, you know,
but there's no way he wouldn't try at all. And
Trey Jung is in the not try like they go.
He wants no part of contact, He wants no part
of guys going into bigger guys running into him. He
literally plays defense just so he can play offense.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I got.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's see, It's like Marshawn Lynch. Yeah, I'm just so
here so I don't get fined. That's place to go it.
It's like, hey, I'm just here because in order to
play what I really want to do, they had to
tell me I had to come down to this end.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
I'm curious, and I'm curious if Jason and Sam understand
what I'm saying, and Doug, obviously I respect your opinion
about this, but when I see Caitlin Clark make an assist,
I feel like she did it for Iowa. When I
see Trey Young get an assist, I feel like he
did it for Trey Young.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
No, it's listen, it's a it's a real thing. Okay,
there are NBA people. The reason I'd make the All
Star Game for the most part is because other players
aren't into him because they feel like he'll do that,
like he'll take one extra dribble where you're gonna have
to and Lebron does the same thing, by the way,
where you're going to have to shoot the ball when
he gives it to you, whereas if he gave it
to you early, you might shoot or you might drive it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And then he gets the hockey assist.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So there's a there's a real belief there that And
I've told people before, I've told me this story. Stefan
Marbury was famous in the NBA where where I had
a buddy who was on his team when he was
with the and be like, dude, Steph will give us
twenty and eight tonight you watch, but the twenty won't
help us win and the eight won't make anybody better,
And that's what you get a lot with Trey. You
(14:10):
allowed with Tray, Now could that part be? Could you
help that some if you're with a really strong personality
older players, like, look, dude, just go play it if
we win. Yes, but I don't think the defense can
be managed, Like you adn't guard anybody your whole life.
Now all of a sudden, you're like six seven years
in the NBA and you're a perennial All Star, and
(14:32):
they're like, you got, all of a sudden, you got
to start guarding somebody you never have before, and you're
really slightly built, Like, I don't know, man, I don't know.
What's interesting, though, is that all of these answers are
the exact answers we think, like, why don't people in
the NBA Respectral Young?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
He doesn't guard anybody.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Why doesn't Jai Wilson have a shoe and Nike he
doesn't believe it'll sell right or sell enough? Like the
answers aren't that hard to come by? Sometimes the most
obvious answer is in fact the answer. But I'm with you, Dan,
I don't think you in with him. But if you're
(15:14):
Atlanta just sit there and go like, I don't know,
we're selling a lot of tickets. Doesn't really matter that much.
I'm gonna guess because you have Landry Fields is your
first time GM, and he's young, he wants to win,
and then Quinn wants to win.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
How much do you think the Luca trade plays into it?
Like plays into how we look at Trey Young.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Because there's an example of people who don't understand the
sport is to go like, hey, look, Luca doesn't guard
anybody and he dominates the ball, and he's like, well,
first of all, Luca is massively bigger, can put his
body and does does give some effort at times. And
(16:02):
Luca also has won and you don't have to count
winning in Europe if you don't want. But at nineteen
years old to win a European championship is you know,
the in the FEBA final four is pretty big. And
then he's won internationally as well with far inferior talent,
and I think, you know, outside of last year's disaster
with all the injuries in the trade that was too
(16:22):
late to build a team around him, They've been way
better in the NBA than their talent says they should be.
But how much does that play in. I don't think
a lot, because none of the play none of the players,
the front office for the Hawks, none of them were
there when that happened.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I think it's a bigger issue.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
That you have a new GM, you have new coaches
then coached him, so they don't have a tie an
emotional tie to Trey Ung.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
I get that portion and whether the fact is the
Atlanta Hawks at one point did have that pick and
could have just taken Luca and kept him instead of
trading him to Dallas. And when guys are you know,
just like Byton Manning and Ryan Leaf because you know
they're one two, like this is a trade, like that's
gonna stick with you as well, and to see how
(17:11):
that has, you know, worked out, maybe not as great
as something for Dallas, but we think that Luca is
going to be, you know, the guy in the NBA
for the next decade and maybe plus and here Trey
Young is already honest, maybe way out of Atlanta. Yeah,
I think it's quite the quite the conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I think it's I think it's a great point, right,
And you know, you get people that say, what comparison
is the thief of joy like yeah, but they were
actually traded for one another. You Know's what's interesting is
in that same draft, remember the the the Sons head
coach was Luca's, a Slovenian team coach. They didn't draft
him and said they drafted DeAndre Aiden And so the
(17:53):
Hawks aren't the only one that made mistakes.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But that's it seems like a glaring one.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
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Speaker 2 (18:08):
Stug Gotleib Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Man kind of a kind of a bummer tonight, right,
No Zion, no Lakers because they're in the playoffs, and
no Warriors, no no games signed up the way, there's
no in there. King's Pearl's Night or is that Tomorrow night?
(18:37):
You know, let's do Let's let's go to a guy
who knows more than me. Let's go to Dan Byer, Danny,
what do you got?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
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at nine thirty Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It's Doug Gotlib Show here on Fox sports radio Ben
Volin joins this Boston Globe covers the entire National Football League.
There was an article on ESPN yesterday that basically said, hey, uh,
Bob Craft, Bob Kraft, I gave a poor a poor
review to Arthur Blank, and that's essentially why Belichick didn't
(19:09):
get the Falcons job. What have you heard in regards
to what the Patriots say when they call and ask
about Bill.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Yeah, that was an excellent article yesterday from ESPN, adding
a lot of context to the situation and things that
have kind of some things that had been out there,
some things that hadn't, So I thought it was an
excellent article. Yeah. So to me, obviously the kind of
head the big headline is that Robert Kraft and kind
(19:39):
of helped tank Bill Belichick's candidacy there. But I don't
think it was the overriding decision. I think ultimately, at
least from what I heard that Arthur Blank was certainly
enamored with Bill Belichick, but no one else in the
building what the Falcons was. And this was all in
the article too. I mean, when you bring in Bill
(19:59):
BELLI check you know, he's been very difficult to deal
with in his time with the Patriots. He's obviously someone
who's only known to have total control and total power.
And even if he says sure, I'd be willing to
see some of my power. I mean he's been famous
for over the years for kind of you know, holding guys,
you know, Wes Welker holding him out for a quarter
(20:20):
because he didn't like what he said in the media,
Malcolm Butler benching him in the Super Bowl, like, you know,
if he gets Belichick, gets the player that the GM
gives him that Belichick doesn't like, how's that going to work?
So I just think everyone in the building really wanted
nothing to do with Belichick, and it was all about
Arthur Blank wanting him, and ultimately Arthur Blank decided to
side with his own people who he'd worked with for
(20:41):
several years instead of kind of tearing everything up and
starting over with Bill Belichick. So I think the Robert
Craft up to Arthur Blank. It certainly didn't help the situation.
It probably helped crystallize in Arthur Blank's mind that it
wasn't going to work. But ultimately I think it's you know,
Arthur Blank chose his own employees, his own GM, his
(21:01):
own KEE president over an unknown outside guy like Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Okay, so Belichick's going to do media for the draft,
He's going to do media during the year. Looks like
he's going to do stepping with with Peyton mans Omaha group.
Is he doing this to keep himself in the game
or is he doing this to change the perception so
that he gets back at being a head coach.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Yes, and yes, I think all of it. I think
he wants to stay involved. I mean, this is the
first time in fifty years that he's not on an
NFL sideline, So you know, I think he's going to
enjoy it. I think once these coaches get out of
the game and they have their Sundays back and they
can just watch games and watch the red Zone channel
and all that, that they realize how great it is
and how much they missed. But you know, clearly, this
(21:49):
is a man who's spent his entire life in football
and probably doesn't fully know what to do with himself
right now. So I think doing Peyton Manning stuff and
NFL film stuff is going to help him stay in
the game. And I think there's a lot of image
rehabilitation going on, and we saw it back in December
when he went on College Game Day before the Army
Navy game in Foxborough. He was putting on the old
(22:12):
leather helmet and showing, you know, showing some personality and
cracking jokes. And so we'll see a lot more of
that side of Bill Belichick this year, because he does
have a personality, does have a good dry sense of humor,
and he's been taking a beating the last few years
in public perception and all this stuff that the Patriots
are pumping out now with the dynasty and all this,
(22:34):
it's not helping Belichick at all. So definitely, I think
you'll see him being in the media and trying to
show a little bit more personality so he can help
get a job next year.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Ben Bolan joining us here Boston Glove Doug Gottlieb show
on FO for Trady covers the entire NFL. Number two
seems to set the path of the draft. Who's the
quarterback the Commanders take.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
I've been on the In Daniels train since January. I
think clearly that seems to be where they're heading. Everything
you hear about him is, you know, the athleticism of
Lamar Jackson, but maybe a more refined passer than Lamar
was coming out of college. And I just think Jayden
Daniels is a more sure thing right now than you're
(23:16):
Drake Mays and JJ McCarthy. So I think you know
Adam Peters today thing, we feel pretty good at number two.
If you're a fan, that's what you want to hear
the team has a clear conviction. I'm a Patriots fan
right now, and I keep hearing how the team wants
to trade. That has me worried that if they're stuck
at number three, they're going to be taking a player
Drake May, JJ McCarthy someone else maybe that they don't
(23:37):
have a total conviction on, that they're not totally sold on.
And to me, that's what the Patriots are telling us
by being so open about wanting to trade, that they
don't love any of these guys, and they probably feel
a lot better taking a quarterback at number nine than
they would at number three. So the commanders, I think,
are locked in on Jayden Daniels, and now the Patriots
and the Vikings and some of these teams have to
(23:58):
decide which one of them wants more of the imperfect
quarterback prospects here in Drake May and JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to see what they
do there and how how that all that all works.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
What's happening in Dallas right Like, they're not going to
extend or tinker with Dak's deal, which makes it the
you know, the biggest cap hit they've ever had, gigantic
cap number, But that does allow them to to wash
their hands of him next year if they want to.
They could always franchise, tag them, they could always recite,
There's a lot of different options they could do, but
they're not going to extend him and move that kick
(24:36):
that cap number at all down the road. What do
you think it says about the Cowboys in the sircuming season, Well.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
I think the first thing what you said is most important.
It allows them to wash their hands with him next
year if they want to move on. I think it
is very telling that they're not trying to restructure Dak's
contract because it would be very easy to do so
and to create a lot of cap space. It's cap number,
it's fifty five million dollars. It's the second largest in
the league. Only Watson is higher at a preposterous sixty
(25:04):
three million, but you know, even the gap between like
number two and number six is huge. I mean, dak
fifty five million dollar cap space is a huge waste
of cap space. It's hugely inefficient, and the fact that
the Cowboys are moving forward with it tells you that
they want to be able to wash their hands of
him next year if possible. I don't think the franchise
(25:24):
tag is necessarily on the table because that would be
a huge number for Dak. The Cowboys, you know, they've
let these Dak Prescott negotiations get away from them ever since.
They you know, let Dak play out his rookie contract,
let him hit pre agency, and he got this massive deal,
you know, four or five years ago. And now they've
you know, been saddled with a quarterback make a ton
(25:46):
of money who hasn't gotten them very far in the playoffs.
So I think this is a huge wait and see
year for the Cowboys, for Dak, for Mike McCarthy's in
the contract year. Defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer only signed for
one year, which is highly new. It's all it's all
in the line right now for the key players here
with the Dallas Cowboys and Dak has a great year.
(26:08):
I think Jerry will gladly sign up for it again.
But they are taking a wait to see approach, and
it is very telling that they're not restructing Dak Prescott's contract.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
There's a lot of talk about the Vikings taking JJ McCarthy.
Then you have then you have Seattle that they it
feels like they need a young quarterback. And then you
have Pittsburgh who went and got two quarterbacks. Obviously Russell
Wilson the most decorated, but two guys. You're like, yeah,
of those three, who's the most like you to get
(26:39):
a young guy and play him cool.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
I like Seattle as a sleeper. You said Seattle, and
you said Pittsburgh. And who was the other one?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Seattle, Pittsburgh, Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, definitely Minnesota is getting a quarterback. I mean that's
the reason they have eleven is twenty three. Whether you
know they they're able to sit at eleven, get JJ McCarthy.
I think the Vikings would actually prefer Drake May their quarterbacks.
Coach Josh McCown coached Drake May when he was in
high school. Drake May was a teammate of Josh McCown's
son at a high school in Charlotte and McCown was
(27:13):
on the coaching staff then, so I just get this
feeling that the Vikings really do want Drake May. So
the fact that they have eleven and twenty three, I
think gives them plenty of ammunition to go trade up
into the top ten if May does fall past the
number three pick, and then obviously McCarthy is I think
their fallback option. So definitely the Vikings, and I do
(27:34):
think the Seahawks are a wild card. Even though they
have Gino Smith. I know they've brought oh and they
traded for from the Commanders Sam Howell, so they have
enough this year, but clearly they need something for the future.
And as for the Steelers, I don't see them as
drafting anything but like a mid round quarterback. They're gonna
(27:55):
try and make it work with Russell Wilson and Justin Field.
This year you had a first round quarterback to that
that just creates all kinds of drama and question marks,
and fans want to see the young kid. That's just
an easy way to thank your season. So I think
the Steelers are gonna if they do draft a quarterback,
it's only going to be a flyer in the mid
to late round.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, listen, we got you got a week to prep,
get rested, get your notes ready, make your calls. We'll
talk to you next week as you get ready for
the NFL Draft. Ben, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
All right, thanks a lot, doud be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's the Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Ooh,
here's what I love about this game.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
A buyer.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
You never experienced this because you're like none of you
guys your parents aren't Jewish. But I do feel like
you see. I can't tell you how many times when
my late father was alive, you beat a rest. I'd
be like, you feel a draft in here.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I I I gotta tell you, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What percentage of people who are forty five and younger
use that try. I feel like that term is gonna
go away.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Could be wrong. Let's get to our game.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Shoes.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I bring it up because Thursdays is I this is
my most favorite game that you have. I know you
have other game they're not. I'm not saying anything bad
about the other games, Dan, I just like this one.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Our interaction with it.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Sure, but it's called I Feel the Draft. I know
that's what's Thursday and I yeah, I don't know how
many people, younger people get the the the what's what's
Castanza's mom's name? Is that Irene Castando Castelle Costanza Stelle,
I feel the draft. That's like every Jewish mother and
Jewish father. That's I don't know why, or maybe it's
an East Coast thing. I'm not really sure, but the
(30:03):
draft thing is definitely part of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
All right.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
So the game today is.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I Feel a draft.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Wow, this is a point of contention of the Estelle Costanza.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Sam did not include it today. I have it ready.
I just you voiced your displeasure with it. Yeah, I
think it's funny. You do, Doug?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Do you like the George's mom drop that only plays our.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Voiceco over guy here?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I like either of them?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, I play both of them.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
Let's hear the whole Hostel Cassandra seven.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
We have a boat.
Speaker 8 (30:47):
Or dish order a hot This is just such a
great exchange right there, order a hot dish. Forget it.
We have a boat. Are the best, They're superior.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
All right?
Speaker 5 (30:56):
I feel a draft I did. I did say that
recently that I wish we didn't play that drop, and
so I think that's why Sam did not do it.
But trying to make everybody happy, we are drafting today, celebrities,
you've kind of had enough of kind of had like,
all right, I could, I could take a breather. I'm good,
I'm I'm done. Just give me, give me some sort
(31:18):
of relief. Jason Stewart, you have the number one overall pick,
and I'm a second, Doug is third, Sam is fourth,
and with the two swim picks. All right, Jason, you
are on the clock. By the way, there is like
three or four nominees that we've mentioned on the shows
this week that I think we could see in this
(31:39):
draft process.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
I'm really glad that you put me first here because
I think everyone agrees with this one. I was thinking
this just look ten days ago when I saw all
the coverage of WrestleMania. I've had enough of the Rock.
I've never I've never gone to see a movie because
of the Rock. Never really got into what the big
deal is about the Rock. He shows up every Sunday
(32:03):
at these USFL games. See, He'll show up at Daytona
five hundred, like you know, he shows up somewhere and
you're like, oh, he was available for this, that's weird.
The Rock is showing up. He's worn out. Welcome with
me and I'm sure many others. Give me one movie
you guys have gone out to see because the Rock
(32:23):
was in it. That proves my point. Thank you. Next.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's a hard one. It's a hard one to top.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean, part of my thing is I've just never
really gotten the WWE thing. Like we used. We used
to make fun of my dad. He's my dad, would
think he was real. You can't tell him you can
fake that. Well, I mean it's acting.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Now tech technically. I did order a Rock film off
of our DVR, but it was my son who got
the remote one day and somehow we ordered Black Adam
and it cost meeteen ninety nine to do so, and
the company would not let me. They did not refund
the charges. I had to change the settings on the
(33:09):
remote to be like now if I want to order
something like I have to call, Like, I can't just
do it from my remote because my son got it
and somehow we rented black Adam, did.
Speaker 8 (33:19):
You at least watch it?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
No?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Wh Yeah, no interest, no interest. All right, I'm gonna
go on the keels of this. I said it yesterday,
so I'll just take it, you know. Just there's a
little too much Sadakis with the whole the whole women's tournament,
and I think people just went I liked Ted Lasso,
I really enjoyed the show, but I just got sick
of how it was like changing people's lives, people making
(33:43):
believe signs like this is. It's just a little too
much for me. And so I'm gonna go with sidekis.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Because he doesn't believe. He doesn't believe.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
That's the problem is he doesn't believe and believe, and
if you don't believe and believe, you can't believe.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I thought it was a real good show.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But yeah, I'm just teasy, Yeah, I know, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Here's the one thing that's interesting about sadeikis though, right,
he's been in a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Obviously this is his most successful, but.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
He's really like leaned into it, like he's almost pretending
like that's his character that he he wants, and I
think he's probably really smart. Probably you know, he'll be
able to do uh you know, TV commercials and Saturnite
live skits forever being ted Lasso.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But it's a it's a weird one. It is a
weird one, all.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Right, Doug, You're up at number three.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
God, this is so harduse there's so many celebrities that
I just want to have go away right.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I mean the problem is, I like both presidential candidates
go away right, Like you're old. Let's let somebody else
get the younger do this. But that's not that's not
a realism. That's not that's not realistic.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Anybody want to make a trade, I'm not. I don't
feel solid enough in my position yet that I know
what I want. I'm kind of like the I'm at three,
I'm like the Patriots, like, yeah, I can take a quarterback,
but I'm kind of I'm up for if anybody wants
to trade up.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Sam, you want to trade up, you interesting, sure?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Anything else you want to trade, just switch spots, just
switch for a pick to be named later.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Kanye or yay okay. It
really has nothing to do with his music. He just
pops up in the news all the time for wearing
weird stuff, like being dressed in all silver and like
he's one of those like street performers pretending to be
a robot and like dressed in all one color looking.
He's just strange and he's a weird guy. He's mentally unwell.
(35:45):
He's off his rocker, and I've had enough seeing him.
I don't care about him anymore. I don't want to
have anything to do with him.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
There is one redeeming quality about the new Kanye is
that every time he's out, his wife is with him,
and she's often half naked, if not completely.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Top inappropriately addressed the what do they call it, Walmart Kim,
It's just called it's called the Walmart Kim.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
That's that's cold, all right, you're out, doug.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Um God, this is a hard one for me.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
This is the Lebron James moment, like give me just
one wine from the movie. There's so many of them.
There's just so many.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
No, no, no, no, I mean you know, I mean
some of these people like Elon Musk, is he a celebrity?
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Sure, absolutely, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Elon Musk wants to start. He just tweeted that he's
gonna start fun to support the First Amendment. Like you
don't have to, dude, Like the first Amendents of the Costager.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Is not going away. I just he just annoyed.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
He's just obnoxious and annoying, and he's doing the he's
in his effort to protect the First Amendment and to
free up everything. What he's done is he's given a
platform to people who spread nonsense.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
And it's awful.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
And I think Twitter is an awesome device, and I'm
not saying he's ruined it, but between the amount of
porn and the amount of of just lies on it, Like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Elon Musk? Go away? All right?
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Sam?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
You want to make a quick pick here, Yep, I'm
gonna go with any Kardashian or Jenner. Don't you say
anything more?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Okay, I'm gonna go with j Lo if you know,
you know, and Jason Stewart your last pick.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Kevin Hart's got a recent h Kevin Hart is this
is like two years old. Two years ago, I could
have said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I'm done, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Kevin Hart was the other one on my list. I
was really torn between that yeah and all WNBA supporters
can go away, you're annoying.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
So I got the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
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