April 19, 2024 • 26 mins
Doug riffs about Caitlin Clark's potential stardom in the pros. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's revealing that a source told him six quarterbacks would be taken in the first round of the NFL Draft. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Gottl Doug Gottlieb showing the bonus here on Fox Sports
Ray the iHeartRadio app. Have you ever heard the expression,
this too shall pass? Anybody, this too shall pass?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I have lots of friends. My brother, for example, he
will he'll know if something happens for me personally that's
a tough day, or something happens with any of my
kids or with his kids, Like I'll get a this
too shall pass text from him, probably once a week
or once every couple of weeks. It's just a It's
a great way to look at things because in the moment,
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you're like, this is everything. In reality it passes. And
social media, I think is the greatest example of that.
We we are like you're the dog named Doug in
uh up right, this is my master and I'm squirrel. Right.
We have that we collective adhd constantly. That makes us
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lose our attention span and divert to something else. But
I think that this too shall pass is universal and
the Caitlin Clark story is perfect example. As of Saturday,
it's over for like a month, right, for like a month,
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Like remember we had the build up, build up, build
up to Elite eight, or she faced off with her
nemesis or our tribal in LSU. They beat LSU, they
go to the final four, that's incredible, they lose in
the championship game. Then the next week you have the
WNBA Draft. All that has been just trending upward. Right,
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But the thing about relevance is not always have to
stay relevant in some former fashion. Now, could she and
will she be on commercials during the NBA playoffs? Likely?
Maybe definitely the ESPN ones which promote the WNBA, but
the commercials that you know, she's not gonna be on
on TNT set, And though they may put her on
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the NBA set, maybe not because remember she's got to
start training camp here probably in a week and get ready.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
For the season.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So the real test of if this is this a
fad or is this something that is a trend that
will become a thing for a long time in the
popularity of women's basketball. We will be able to find
out here in a month and a half two months, right,
like her first game, people are going to watch, but
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will they come back? And I will tell you that
by Saturday, this too shall pass. This has been an
unbelievable couple of weeks for the women's sports movement. But
with the the NFL Draft next weekend and it's all
that anybody cares about, and the NBA playoffs and most
of these NBA teams have their stars intact, that's where
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our attention will be. And that's the true test of
her relevance is can we come back around in a
month and a month and a half and actually give
a shit. Let's get to what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
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Speaker 2 (03:32):
Let's get to what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And now.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Say, here's Dan Patrick talking about the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Six days until the NFL Draft. Spoke to a source
last night and I said, what do you have for me?
And he said, at first I thought that Michael Pennix
and Bo Nix would not be in the first round.
I said, okay, that's information, and then he says, but
the more research I do, the more people I talk to,
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we're probably having six quarterbacks taken in the first round.
And that means that Michael Pennix Junior and bow Nicks
are moving on up. And that's how he described this.
He said, you're first four. They're probably going to be
the first four, depending on if somebody trade, somebody gets squirrely,
somebody moves up. But he thinks that those four quarterbacks
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are going to be taken probably in the first four picks.
So then my source said, you know the Raiders, you
got to consider them with Michael Pennix. You know, do
the Rams want to move up Denver?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
What do they do?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So bow Knicks and Michael Pennix, according to a source,
not initially in his first round, but he said, after
talking to some people, I truly believe there's going to
be six quarterbacks taken in the first round.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah. I mean, like, listen, this is the big question
is do you take Pennix because you have to feel
like you have to take a quarterback, and you take
one in the first round because it doesn't kill you financially.
Even though he's not close to being a first round
pick as a quarterback. I just I love Michael Pennis
in college, but man, he went through a month where
he was so inaccurate and we give him all. We
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give all these guys these passes. He's got a big
time armies, a big time athlete. But as we've seen,
accuracy is the number one thing required. Accuracy is the
number one thing required in being an NFL quarterback. I
don't think he has it. I think we're reaching for needs.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
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Speaker 2 (05:32):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Hey, Jay, what's annoying you today on a Friday?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
What annoys me is kind of what our industry does
with the most innocuous of information. So there was a
somebody on the Bleacher Report yesterday said that there was
a report from an unnamed scout or maybe even an
unnamed GM who said, of everybody in this draft, Caleb
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Williams has the best chance to be a Hall of Famer.
Now think about that. Think about what that What he
said of everybody in this entire draft, Caleb Williams has
the best chance to be a Hall of Famer. He
didn't say that Caleb Williams is going to be a
Hall of Famer. In fact, far from that. So as
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I'm watching, uh, you know, debate shows and looking at
Twitter for content, question, is Caleb Williams already a Hall
of Famer based on this one report? And of course
you know he got the talking heads being like, I mean,
that's an insult to Hall of famers. We can't put
him in the Hall of Fame just yet. It's laughable.
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And I guess we're so hungry for draft content out
right now because everything is just bullshit out there a
week away that we have to like create something yeah
that isn't even there. Think about that, Doug, of everybody
in this draft, who do you think is going to
be all Hall of Famer or who was the best chance?
I mean, it's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It's more than pretty ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous. But it's
it's one of those thought I thought you nailed it
there at the end, which is, hey, it's basically, what
are we doing here? We don't you don't have to
create controversy, you don't have to create things that aren't
It's really interesting the idea of going to Chicago, who
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has never had an elite quarterback, Like, you don't have
to you don't have to make shit up, right, you
have to make shit up. He has the highest ceiling
in the draft. Okay as quarterback. Okay, I think we're
all ready to accept that. How does it work in Chicago?
I think that's super interesting. And then you have the
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last one, which is what happens at two with Washington,
because Washington hasn't figured out their quarterback thing in forever
as well. They've had moments where they had Kirk Cousins
before that, they had RG three. Obviously, Alex Smith was
solid for them before his knee was blown up. So
they've actually, unlike Chicago, had some guys in the past
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that have had some success but haven't been able to
sustain it. I don't think you have to create any bullshit,
and that's creating bullshit, is what you're talking about. I
totally agree. And then the other part to the draft,
which is interesting to me is this reality of I
think it's super interesting what do you do in terms
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of drafting position and how it balances out. Like traditionally,
a wide receiver has been more valuable than a tight end,
but brock Bauers, I think, by all accounts, is going
to be a star tight ends, playing much bigger role
in offensive now than they ever had previously. So again,
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we can do all of this still have an interesting
draft without just making shit up. And that's making up
and that annoys you, and I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Uh, Kawhi Leonard's annoying because yet again we're on the
Kawhi Leonard watch for injury. I guess he doesn't know
if he's going to go in Game one. I'm not
a Clippers fan, but I would be very frustrated if
Kawhi Leonard was my best player on any team that
I rooted for, because it just seems like the same
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old thing, and in more times than not, when he's
not sure if he's gonna play, he's not gonna play
Like it's never It's never like one of those things
where you're like, hey, Kawhi has been very vague about
this knee injury, and then he plays No, it usually
goes the other way and it's like, I don't know.
It's just frustrating. It's annoying because he's a great player
and we like seeing teams at full strength this time
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of year.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean like, look, I have no idea on Kawi's
nie and no one no one actually does, no one
actually does. But the cloak and dagger thing, everyone does it.
It just feels more deceptive when it's Kawhi, doesn't It
Like we don't really know the status of Zion. We
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don't really know the status of Joel Andbi. We don't
really know the status of of what's his name in Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
What's uh oh hell kat?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, Karl Anthony Towns, Like we don't really know their
you know, because of Hippa, because they don't want the
other team to know whatever. But it feels like with Kawhi,
we don't know and we'll never truly know no matter
if he's playing or not playing.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yes, he's he's run out of the benefit of the doubt.
He's the sibling or your friend that's always wait for something,
and every single time there's a different excuse, And it's like, dude,
in a vacuum, maybe you're excuse today would be valid,
but how about the fifty other times you showed up?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Played for me?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Antonio Brown is annoying, but not to me. You know,
Antonio Brown has the ire of our technical producer Iowa
Sam and I'm going to allow for him to make
that presentation.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Thank you, Jason Doug. Listen, you can become brain dead
if you don't get enough oxygen to your brain. But
right now, with this with Antonio Brown, we're gonna give
a little bit of oxygen to the brain dead and
we're gonna talk about this this latest Antonio Brown nonsense. Listen,
Several high profile adults on Twitter have had to block
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Antonio Brown, people like Tom Brady, President Joe Biden, Damar Hamlin,
and the latest basketball sensation Caitlin Clark. For no real reason,
Antonio Brown decided to go to Twitter and insult Katelyn
Clark on multiple levels, some of them just proficial and shallow.
He's recently called her cracker of the Day, which you know,
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racially charged, kind of funny, I guess, but also just
completely needless.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Sid Yeah, hashtag Cracker the Day always has to go
to Rits, right.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Rich is a very under its Yeah, but we can
we can circle back to that because it's a really
a discussion. I cannot stand the fake cheese crackers that
my kids love, but I will.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Tell you these cheese I thought they were always said.
They always say they're made with real cheese.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I understand, but like the idea is a you buy
a plane cracker and you put different kinds of cheese
on it, like on a charcouterie board type of deal
and cheese. It's like, hey, let's just cut out the
middleman and have the cheese bake baked into it. There
are some that like the super baked ones are super yummy,
but I just can't do the smell, the aftertaste. And
part of it is if you've raised three kids from
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in this era, huh you know that. I just I
can't take the fucking goldfish thing. Just too many goldfish
in my life. Like, what are we doing eating goldfish?
This is disgusting.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, it starts, it starts to taste like you're eating
like like animal feed. After a while, it's just like
it's like your chewing cud. Back to this idiot Antonio Brown.
So yeah, I mentioned the cracker of the day, which
I guess is like some I guess white person he's
gonna tweet about and make fun of, which fine, whatever,
I don't really.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Care about that.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
But also it he called her cousin it, which uh,
there's some stories behind that, and he's also questioned her
personal grooming practices. If that's the best way to put it,
I guess maybe her straight hair and the grooming practices
have something to do with the cousin it label. But listen,
Antonio Brown, He's not only annoying, he's irrelevant. He's become
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a troll in his post football career. He's toxic, he's shallow,
and he's superficial. So he's annoyed the hell out of me.
I mean, there's listen. We can argue all day about
whether Caitlin Clark's great the WNBA, whether you know, people
can argue about her play, whether she's like one of
the greatest women's basketball players of all time. But it's like,
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she's just a normal looking woman. Why are you attacking
her and making fun of her looks? You know, she's
a great basketball player, she's very popular. I'm asking this question.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, okay, are you Is it because it's Kaitlyn Clark,
because you're a huge Caitlyn Clark fan. Is it because
she's a woman, or is it because it's Antonio Brown?
And you have all this because.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I think it's a perfect storm of all those things.
I found him super annoying before this, and a lot
of people did. I don't blame you mental health.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't blame you. But but here here's the question,
and this doesn't Maybe Antonio Brown is the wrong person,
but it's the all these other stars that are men.
We're totally okay with talking about all these different things.
We just are Lebron James's hair has never been off
limits to anybody. Sure, dude's going bald. He's clearly had
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the hair replacement thing to some sort of limited success.
White guys around the world are like, dude, you're black,
why don't you shave your head? That you can get
you get away with a lot of users than the
white dude, right, you know, He's like, it's it's it's
part of social media conversations. I'm just using Lebron james hair.
But why can we do that to Lebron? We can't
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do it to Kaitlin.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Clark because she's not cousin it. That's it's ridiculous, Like
it's just it's totally out of left field.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
It's for him just to garner attention.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Okay, we can we can dissect some of these guys fine,
but again, bald, what what what?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Why? Why is it? I'm just asking. I know the
answer the answers. We treat women with a different level
of respect, and we have a we're supposed to and
have a different level of uh. We We're just things
that you don't go on a woman, regardless of age
or stature, generally generally. But I do feel like, look,
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people talk about Taylor's how Taylor Swift looks.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah all the time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Sure, why are female athletes specifically off limits?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I didn't say they're off limits. I think Antonio Brown
is just needlessly stirring the pot and he's being a
toxic troll for no reason, just other than just asking
for attend Do.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You have toxic masculinity?
Speaker 6 (16:28):
He's got a lot of toxic issues. His brain is tasty.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Where are you on this?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
No, No, I was just gonna say that I'm with
Sam on this. I think that specific tweet that he said, yes,
I think he said something like looks like she keeps it, Harry,
That's that's.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Why it's extremeal grooming juvenile.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And but at the same time, I sent Doug Antonio
Brown tweet recently and I said, you know, I've come
around like he kind of makes me laugh, Like there's
something very admirable about a guy who can't be canceled,
like he has literally nothing to lose. So that's kind
of like why I like following Antonio Brown and Aaron
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Rodgers and Elon Musk. I mean, they don't give a
shit what people think about them, And there's something very
refreshing about that, because there's a lot of people like
that always put their shit through a filter before they
go on Twitter. So I admire that aspect about Antonio Brown,
but a lot of his stuff is just dreadfully homophobic
and racist, and I see why it offends a lot
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of people. I just kind of admire the position that
he's in where he's like, I don't give a shit.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I'm not going to give in to the mob here.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I can respect that if you're saying stuff that's brave
or poignant and you might draw some fire for it
and you don't care what people think. But when you
just say tossing out like just barbs that are just
they're just so shallow and skin skin deep. I just
find that he's Yes, I can see the sophomore humor,
like appreciating that, but also you're right knowing Antonio Brown,
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you're annoying.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Go away, he is annoying. I mean, like, listen, I
agree with you in terms of Antonio Brown, and uh,
I don't get offended by the cracker of the day.
But it's like intentionally incendiary. And there's just another case
of hey, there's there's there's two sets of rules, which
again I actually am fine with. I just don't like
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the Hey, there's not two sets of rules, except there
are two sets. You know what I'm saying, Oh, totally,
But I I don't like the hypocrisy to oh, we
treat out people that we don't treat people the same people.
It's just not okay. And the perfect example is like
the literally the only people you can make fun of,
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the only people you can make fun of, uh is
twofold one your own race. And even then you you can,
you'll get attacked two white males, anyone else is a
is in protected class.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Well, but listen, let's not be knife. We've been sexualizing
women for as long as media has been around, so
it's no surprise.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Question you asked your question about sexualizing women.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Uh, huh what is?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And I agree there's a limit there right, there's there's
there's a line there, there's lines you don't cross, you know,
lines you don't cross. But the sexualization of women, like
women are sexual creatures too, right, yes, okay, so, but.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I think they want to be on their own terms.
I think that for far too long we've just been
objectifying women, and we've been sort of a lot of
more quote unquote enlightenment. I'd like to think of myself
as one of them. We're trying to draw that back
and be like, you know what, there's a certain context
for doing that. But you know, we used to look
at the swimsuit swimsuited isssue issues of s I, and
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you know, like that's all that.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
The woman was.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Women have brains too, They can do a lot of things.
They want to keep the sexualization in a certain degree.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But I think it just it you're you're actually you're
actually completely making my point because women want their cake
and eat it too, which is like it's okay to want.
You're not gonna get that. It's okay to want. Women
want to be sexual creatures, but they want it on
their own terms. They only want it from at a
certain time, in a certain place. And a guy has
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to have feel about that, right, But it's like it
takes some learning to get to the two question and
like and again, I'll give you, I'll give you scentereo.
Men and women work in the same environment, guys. Guy
has establishes a relationship with a woman asks a woman
out right, that's not sexual harassment, that's not that's if
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you're a single guy. She's a single girl. Like you're
allowed to ask somebody else. Now she's allowed to say no.
And she says no, then you gotta you gotta deal
with it. You got now.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
I think that the way you respond to that, the
men of the past have done it poorly. The men
today need to learn.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like yeah, and you're just about you're generalizing guys.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I guess, but I'm kind of also throwing back to
like the mad Men era and men.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Just again, that's a TV show, dude, But that was
selecting the sort of the culture of the time. How
many years ago was that the nineteen sixties? But his
generations we have to learn over it. It doesn't happen overnight. Yeah,
I mean sixty years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Isn't that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well again, if we get to the who's annoying? Antonio
Brown is annoying because I and I agree with with
Jay stew there is something enjoyable by a guy who
he's so far gone that.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Everyone's a raging trash.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Every once in a while, you're like, that was actually
really funny, and no one else can say that.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
He's out of control. Tire fire is what you're saying,
and we're all just watching from a distance and laughing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, I don't know if there's not actually more control
to it than we're giving him credit. You know that
he actually thinks he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And image genius.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
He's trying to be strategic about it. But there is
something enjoyable about following a guy who has gives zero
fox right literally zero fox. On the other hand, there's
there is the other part too, which is like there's
just places he goes you cannot like you don't do
that about a woman's you know what I mean, Like
you just I don't think you do regardless, But but
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guys do.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Maybe if you're in a garage drinking beers. And but
that's that's what Twitter is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Oh, freedom of speech, man, sure, but treade cautiously my man,
and he doesn't give a crap.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
But my point is I do, and Jace do. And
I actually discussed this on a phone call I think yesterday, Jason, Well,
we were talking about like, look, I get it, but
you know angel Reaes, for example, is she's a beautiful
young woman. Right, She's probably going to be an actress
or a model in addition to whatever she does in basketball. Right,
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And they all got dressed to the nines, and like
we're in this place where people will make you feel
bad about saying a woman is beautiful. Like I'm not
trying to get within these women, but I can also
still appreciate beauty, and they want their beauty to be
appreciated and on some level sexualized. That's part of a
woman's femininity. There's obviously bounds of taste. But I do
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think that we have this culture that massively overreacts to it,
which is also annoying. Also annoying anything else annoying us
from the week, because I mean, I have a bunch,
but I feel like we've kind of we've gotten all
the juice out of this orange let's just say, and wow,
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is Antonio Brown the most annoying? I still think the
most annoying people are people who have turned any sort
of conversation about Caitlin Clark about Nike, deals about how
we cover making things sexist, racist, falling back on that
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old shit when this is an actually an incredible study
in a fad to see how long it lasts or
if it becomes a trend that sticks. That's the story here.
Don't make it anything else, and do people who make
it something else?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You're know, why are we doing this?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
In case dom Tom Brady was on that podcast with
the very tattooed barber gen Z tattooed Barber, and he
said this about the tattooed barber's generation.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think the biggest problem with a lot of fucking
kids these days. It's all about them.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
It's all about them, their brand, their social media. And
then when it's about me and then not about us, well,
there's no.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Way to succeed as a team if all you're doing
is think about how selfish it is for you to
get the instig.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Let's tell you true iPhone YouTube. Right, there's all this
I me not a lot of well, right, I'm with it.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
What's in it for me?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah? It does feel like Tom Brady with the dropping
the f BOMs feels a little bit formulaic, feels a
little bit like Kobe trying to get your attention more.
But that's okay. We can only play it for you
right here on the Doug Gottlip showing the Bonus Podcast.
All right, let me get you on Pick of the Day.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you. It's time for
the Pick of the Day.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Stick of the Day comes to us from the NBA.
Remember I gave you these picks yesterday. I still feel
good about them today. I like I like Miami. They're
a point half favorite against Chicago. They took on a
team in Atlanta that was da dead on arrival. And
New Orleans taking on Sacramento. New Orleans is dominated Sacramento
all year long, with or without Zion Williams. And remember,
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this is a Sacramento team that I thought matched up
well with the Warriors. But they still don't have order,
they still don't have Malik Monk. I'm taking the two favorites,
New Orleans Miami, even though their favorites. It's basically pickhams.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
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Ray the iHeartRadio app. Have you ever heard the expression,
this too shall pass? Anybody, this too shall pass?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I have lots of friends. My brother, for example, he
will he'll know if something happens for me personally that's
a tough day, or something happens with any of my
kids or with his kids, Like I'll get a this
too shall pass text from him, probably once a week
or once every couple of weeks. It's just a It's
a great way to look at things because in the moment,
(00:45):
you're like, this is everything. In reality it passes. And
social media, I think is the greatest example of that.
We we are like you're the dog named Doug in
uh up right, this is my master and I'm squirrel. Right.
We have that we collective adhd constantly. That makes us
(01:12):
lose our attention span and divert to something else. But
I think that this too shall pass is universal and
the Caitlin Clark story is perfect example. As of Saturday,
it's over for like a month, right, for like a month,
(01:34):
Like remember we had the build up, build up, build
up to Elite eight, or she faced off with her
nemesis or our tribal in LSU. They beat LSU, they
go to the final four, that's incredible, they lose in
the championship game. Then the next week you have the
WNBA Draft. All that has been just trending upward. Right,
(01:56):
But the thing about relevance is not always have to
stay relevant in some former fashion. Now, could she and
will she be on commercials during the NBA playoffs? Likely?
Maybe definitely the ESPN ones which promote the WNBA, but
the commercials that you know, she's not gonna be on
on TNT set, And though they may put her on
(02:19):
the NBA set, maybe not because remember she's got to
start training camp here probably in a week and get ready.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
For the season.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So the real test of if this is this a
fad or is this something that is a trend that
will become a thing for a long time in the
popularity of women's basketball. We will be able to find
out here in a month and a half two months, right,
like her first game, people are going to watch, but
(02:46):
will they come back? And I will tell you that
by Saturday, this too shall pass. This has been an
unbelievable couple of weeks for the women's sports movement. But
with the the NFL Draft next weekend and it's all
that anybody cares about, and the NBA playoffs and most
of these NBA teams have their stars intact, that's where
(03:08):
our attention will be. And that's the true test of
her relevance is can we come back around in a
month and a month and a half and actually give
a shit. Let's get to what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Let's get to what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And now.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Say, here's Dan Patrick talking about the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Six days until the NFL Draft. Spoke to a source
last night and I said, what do you have for me?
And he said, at first I thought that Michael Pennix
and Bo Nix would not be in the first round.
I said, okay, that's information, and then he says, but
the more research I do, the more people I talk to,
(04:01):
we're probably having six quarterbacks taken in the first round.
And that means that Michael Pennix Junior and bow Nicks
are moving on up. And that's how he described this.
He said, you're first four. They're probably going to be
the first four, depending on if somebody trade, somebody gets squirrely,
somebody moves up. But he thinks that those four quarterbacks
(04:22):
are going to be taken probably in the first four picks.
So then my source said, you know the Raiders, you
got to consider them with Michael Pennix. You know, do
the Rams want to move up Denver?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
What do they do?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So bow Knicks and Michael Pennix, according to a source,
not initially in his first round, but he said, after
talking to some people, I truly believe there's going to
be six quarterbacks taken in the first round.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah. I mean, like, listen, this is the big question
is do you take Pennix because you have to feel
like you have to take a quarterback, and you take
one in the first round because it doesn't kill you financially.
Even though he's not close to being a first round
pick as a quarterback. I just I love Michael Pennis
in college, but man, he went through a month where
he was so inaccurate and we give him all. We
(05:07):
give all these guys these passes. He's got a big
time armies, a big time athlete. But as we've seen,
accuracy is the number one thing required. Accuracy is the
number one thing required in being an NFL quarterback. I
don't think he has it. I think we're reaching for needs.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Hey, Jay, what's annoying you today on a Friday?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
What annoys me is kind of what our industry does
with the most innocuous of information. So there was a
somebody on the Bleacher Report yesterday said that there was
a report from an unnamed scout or maybe even an
unnamed GM who said, of everybody in this draft, Caleb
(06:13):
Williams has the best chance to be a Hall of Famer.
Now think about that. Think about what that What he
said of everybody in this entire draft, Caleb Williams has
the best chance to be a Hall of Famer. He
didn't say that Caleb Williams is going to be a
Hall of Famer. In fact, far from that. So as
(06:34):
I'm watching, uh, you know, debate shows and looking at
Twitter for content, question, is Caleb Williams already a Hall
of Famer based on this one report? And of course
you know he got the talking heads being like, I mean,
that's an insult to Hall of famers. We can't put
him in the Hall of Fame just yet. It's laughable.
(06:56):
And I guess we're so hungry for draft content out
right now because everything is just bullshit out there a
week away that we have to like create something yeah
that isn't even there. Think about that, Doug, of everybody
in this draft, who do you think is going to
be all Hall of Famer or who was the best chance?
I mean, it's pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It's more than pretty ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous. But it's
it's one of those thought I thought you nailed it
there at the end, which is, hey, it's basically, what
are we doing here? We don't you don't have to
create controversy, you don't have to create things that aren't
It's really interesting the idea of going to Chicago, who
(07:41):
has never had an elite quarterback, Like, you don't have
to you don't have to make shit up, right, you
have to make shit up. He has the highest ceiling
in the draft. Okay as quarterback. Okay, I think we're
all ready to accept that. How does it work in Chicago?
I think that's super interesting. And then you have the
(08:03):
last one, which is what happens at two with Washington,
because Washington hasn't figured out their quarterback thing in forever
as well. They've had moments where they had Kirk Cousins
before that, they had RG three. Obviously, Alex Smith was
solid for them before his knee was blown up. So
they've actually, unlike Chicago, had some guys in the past
(08:24):
that have had some success but haven't been able to
sustain it. I don't think you have to create any bullshit,
and that's creating bullshit, is what you're talking about. I
totally agree. And then the other part to the draft,
which is interesting to me is this reality of I
think it's super interesting what do you do in terms
(08:46):
of drafting position and how it balances out. Like traditionally,
a wide receiver has been more valuable than a tight end,
but brock Bauers, I think, by all accounts, is going
to be a star tight ends, playing much bigger role
in offensive now than they ever had previously. So again,
(09:07):
we can do all of this still have an interesting
draft without just making shit up. And that's making up
and that annoys you, and I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Uh, Kawhi Leonard's annoying because yet again we're on the
Kawhi Leonard watch for injury. I guess he doesn't know
if he's going to go in Game one. I'm not
a Clippers fan, but I would be very frustrated if
Kawhi Leonard was my best player on any team that
I rooted for, because it just seems like the same
(09:38):
old thing, and in more times than not, when he's
not sure if he's gonna play, he's not gonna play
Like it's never It's never like one of those things
where you're like, hey, Kawhi has been very vague about
this knee injury, and then he plays No, it usually
goes the other way and it's like, I don't know.
It's just frustrating. It's annoying because he's a great player
and we like seeing teams at full strength this time
(09:59):
of year.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I mean like, look, I have no idea on Kawi's
nie and no one no one actually does, no one
actually does. But the cloak and dagger thing, everyone does it.
It just feels more deceptive when it's Kawhi, doesn't It
Like we don't really know the status of Zion. We
(10:21):
don't really know the status of Joel Andbi. We don't
really know the status of of what's his name in Minnesota?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
What's uh oh hell kat?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, Karl Anthony Towns, Like we don't really know their
you know, because of Hippa, because they don't want the
other team to know whatever. But it feels like with Kawhi,
we don't know and we'll never truly know no matter
if he's playing or not playing.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yes, he's he's run out of the benefit of the doubt.
He's the sibling or your friend that's always wait for something,
and every single time there's a different excuse, And it's like, dude,
in a vacuum, maybe you're excuse today would be valid,
but how about the fifty other times you showed up?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Played for me?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Antonio Brown is annoying, but not to me. You know,
Antonio Brown has the ire of our technical producer Iowa
Sam and I'm going to allow for him to make
that presentation.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Thank you, Jason Doug. Listen, you can become brain dead
if you don't get enough oxygen to your brain. But
right now, with this with Antonio Brown, we're gonna give
a little bit of oxygen to the brain dead and
we're gonna talk about this this latest Antonio Brown nonsense. Listen,
Several high profile adults on Twitter have had to block
(11:42):
Antonio Brown, people like Tom Brady, President Joe Biden, Damar Hamlin,
and the latest basketball sensation Caitlin Clark. For no real reason,
Antonio Brown decided to go to Twitter and insult Katelyn
Clark on multiple levels, some of them just proficial and shallow.
He's recently called her cracker of the Day, which you know,
(12:05):
racially charged, kind of funny, I guess, but also just
completely needless.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Sid Yeah, hashtag Cracker the Day always has to go
to Rits, right.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Rich is a very under its Yeah, but we can
we can circle back to that because it's a really
a discussion. I cannot stand the fake cheese crackers that
my kids love, but I will.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Tell you these cheese I thought they were always said.
They always say they're made with real cheese.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I understand, but like the idea is a you buy
a plane cracker and you put different kinds of cheese
on it, like on a charcouterie board type of deal
and cheese. It's like, hey, let's just cut out the
middleman and have the cheese bake baked into it. There
are some that like the super baked ones are super yummy,
but I just can't do the smell, the aftertaste. And
part of it is if you've raised three kids from
(12:59):
in this era, huh you know that. I just I
can't take the fucking goldfish thing. Just too many goldfish
in my life. Like, what are we doing eating goldfish?
This is disgusting.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Yeah, it starts, it starts to taste like you're eating
like like animal feed. After a while, it's just like
it's like your chewing cud. Back to this idiot Antonio Brown.
So yeah, I mentioned the cracker of the day, which
I guess is like some I guess white person he's
gonna tweet about and make fun of, which fine, whatever,
I don't really.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Care about that.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
But also it he called her cousin it, which uh,
there's some stories behind that, and he's also questioned her
personal grooming practices. If that's the best way to put it,
I guess maybe her straight hair and the grooming practices
have something to do with the cousin it label. But listen,
Antonio Brown, He's not only annoying, he's irrelevant. He's become
(13:48):
a troll in his post football career. He's toxic, he's shallow,
and he's superficial. So he's annoyed the hell out of me.
I mean, there's listen. We can argue all day about
whether Caitlin Clark's great the WNBA, whether you know, people
can argue about her play, whether she's like one of
the greatest women's basketball players of all time. But it's like,
(14:08):
she's just a normal looking woman. Why are you attacking
her and making fun of her looks? You know, she's
a great basketball player, she's very popular. I'm asking this question.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, okay, are you Is it because it's Kaitlyn Clark,
because you're a huge Caitlyn Clark fan. Is it because
she's a woman, or is it because it's Antonio Brown?
And you have all this because.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I think it's a perfect storm of all those things.
I found him super annoying before this, and a lot
of people did. I don't blame you mental health.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't blame you. But but here here's the question,
and this doesn't Maybe Antonio Brown is the wrong person,
but it's the all these other stars that are men.
We're totally okay with talking about all these different things.
We just are Lebron James's hair has never been off
limits to anybody. Sure, dude's going bald. He's clearly had
(15:09):
the hair replacement thing to some sort of limited success.
White guys around the world are like, dude, you're black,
why don't you shave your head? That you can get
you get away with a lot of users than the
white dude, right, you know, He's like, it's it's it's
part of social media conversations. I'm just using Lebron james hair.
But why can we do that to Lebron? We can't
(15:31):
do it to Kaitlin.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Clark because she's not cousin it. That's it's ridiculous, Like
it's just it's totally out of left field.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
It's for him just to garner attention.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Okay, we can we can dissect some of these guys fine,
but again, bald, what what what?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Why? Why is it? I'm just asking. I know the
answer the answers. We treat women with a different level
of respect, and we have a we're supposed to and
have a different level of uh. We We're just things
that you don't go on a woman, regardless of age
or stature, generally generally. But I do feel like, look,
(16:07):
people talk about Taylor's how Taylor Swift looks.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah all the time.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Sure, why are female athletes specifically off limits?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I didn't say they're off limits. I think Antonio Brown
is just needlessly stirring the pot and he's being a
toxic troll for no reason, just other than just asking
for attend Do.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You have toxic masculinity?
Speaker 6 (16:28):
He's got a lot of toxic issues. His brain is tasty.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Where are you on this?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
No, No, I was just gonna say that I'm with
Sam on this. I think that specific tweet that he said, yes,
I think he said something like looks like she keeps it, Harry,
That's that's.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Why it's extremeal grooming juvenile.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
And but at the same time, I sent Doug Antonio
Brown tweet recently and I said, you know, I've come
around like he kind of makes me laugh, Like there's
something very admirable about a guy who can't be canceled,
like he has literally nothing to lose. So that's kind
of like why I like following Antonio Brown and Aaron
(17:07):
Rodgers and Elon Musk. I mean, they don't give a
shit what people think about them, And there's something very
refreshing about that, because there's a lot of people like
that always put their shit through a filter before they
go on Twitter. So I admire that aspect about Antonio Brown,
but a lot of his stuff is just dreadfully homophobic
and racist, and I see why it offends a lot
(17:30):
of people. I just kind of admire the position that
he's in where he's like, I don't give a shit.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I'm not going to give in to the mob here.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I can respect that if you're saying stuff that's brave
or poignant and you might draw some fire for it
and you don't care what people think. But when you
just say tossing out like just barbs that are just
they're just so shallow and skin skin deep. I just
find that he's Yes, I can see the sophomore humor,
like appreciating that, but also you're right knowing Antonio Brown,
(18:01):
you're annoying.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Go away, he is annoying. I mean, like, listen, I
agree with you in terms of Antonio Brown, and uh,
I don't get offended by the cracker of the day.
But it's like intentionally incendiary. And there's just another case
of hey, there's there's there's two sets of rules, which
again I actually am fine with. I just don't like
(18:22):
the Hey, there's not two sets of rules, except there
are two sets. You know what I'm saying, Oh, totally,
But I I don't like the hypocrisy to oh, we
treat out people that we don't treat people the same people.
It's just not okay. And the perfect example is like
the literally the only people you can make fun of,
(18:43):
the only people you can make fun of, uh is
twofold one your own race. And even then you you can,
you'll get attacked two white males, anyone else is a
is in protected class.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Well, but listen, let's not be knife. We've been sexualizing
women for as long as media has been around, so
it's no surprise.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Question you asked your question about sexualizing women.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Uh, huh what is?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And I agree there's a limit there right, there's there's
there's a line there, there's lines you don't cross, you know,
lines you don't cross. But the sexualization of women, like
women are sexual creatures too, right, yes, okay, so, but.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I think they want to be on their own terms.
I think that for far too long we've just been
objectifying women, and we've been sort of a lot of
more quote unquote enlightenment. I'd like to think of myself
as one of them. We're trying to draw that back
and be like, you know what, there's a certain context
for doing that. But you know, we used to look
at the swimsuit swimsuited isssue issues of s I, and
(19:57):
you know, like that's all that.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
The woman was.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Women have brains too, They can do a lot of things.
They want to keep the sexualization in a certain degree.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But I think it just it you're you're actually you're
actually completely making my point because women want their cake
and eat it too, which is like it's okay to want.
You're not gonna get that. It's okay to want. Women
want to be sexual creatures, but they want it on
their own terms. They only want it from at a
certain time, in a certain place. And a guy has
(20:27):
to have feel about that, right, But it's like it
takes some learning to get to the two question and
like and again, I'll give you, I'll give you scentereo.
Men and women work in the same environment, guys. Guy
has establishes a relationship with a woman asks a woman
out right, that's not sexual harassment, that's not that's if
(20:50):
you're a single guy. She's a single girl. Like you're
allowed to ask somebody else. Now she's allowed to say no.
And she says no, then you gotta you gotta deal
with it. You got now.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
I think that the way you respond to that, the
men of the past have done it poorly. The men
today need to learn.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like yeah, and you're just about you're generalizing guys.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
I guess, but I'm kind of also throwing back to
like the mad Men era and men.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Just again, that's a TV show, dude, But that was
selecting the sort of the culture of the time. How
many years ago was that the nineteen sixties? But his
generations we have to learn over it. It doesn't happen overnight. Yeah,
I mean sixty years ago.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Isn't that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Well again, if we get to the who's annoying? Antonio
Brown is annoying because I and I agree with with
Jay stew there is something enjoyable by a guy who
he's so far gone that.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Everyone's a raging trash.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Every once in a while, you're like, that was actually
really funny, and no one else can say that.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
He's out of control. Tire fire is what you're saying,
and we're all just watching from a distance and laughing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, I don't know if there's not actually more control
to it than we're giving him credit. You know that
he actually thinks he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And image genius.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
He's trying to be strategic about it. But there is
something enjoyable about following a guy who has gives zero
fox right literally zero fox. On the other hand, there's
there is the other part too, which is like there's
just places he goes you cannot like you don't do
that about a woman's you know what I mean, Like
you just I don't think you do regardless, But but
(22:19):
guys do.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Maybe if you're in a garage drinking beers. And but
that's that's what Twitter is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Oh, freedom of speech, man, sure, but treade cautiously my man,
and he doesn't give a crap.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
But my point is I do, and Jace do. And
I actually discussed this on a phone call I think yesterday, Jason, Well,
we were talking about like, look, I get it, but
you know angel Reaes, for example, is she's a beautiful
young woman. Right, She's probably going to be an actress
or a model in addition to whatever she does in basketball. Right,
(22:55):
And they all got dressed to the nines, and like
we're in this place where people will make you feel
bad about saying a woman is beautiful. Like I'm not
trying to get within these women, but I can also
still appreciate beauty, and they want their beauty to be
appreciated and on some level sexualized. That's part of a
woman's femininity. There's obviously bounds of taste. But I do
(23:22):
think that we have this culture that massively overreacts to it,
which is also annoying. Also annoying anything else annoying us
from the week, because I mean, I have a bunch,
but I feel like we've kind of we've gotten all
the juice out of this orange let's just say, and wow,
(23:43):
is Antonio Brown the most annoying? I still think the
most annoying people are people who have turned any sort
of conversation about Caitlin Clark about Nike, deals about how
we cover making things sexist, racist, falling back on that
(24:04):
old shit when this is an actually an incredible study
in a fad to see how long it lasts or
if it becomes a trend that sticks. That's the story here.
Don't make it anything else, and do people who make
it something else?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
You're know, why are we doing this?
Speaker 5 (24:25):
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
In case dom Tom Brady was on that podcast with
the very tattooed barber gen Z tattooed Barber, and he
said this about the tattooed barber's generation.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I think the biggest problem with a lot of fucking
kids these days. It's all about them.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
It's all about them, their brand, their social media. And
then when it's about me and then not about us, well,
there's no.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Way to succeed as a team if all you're doing
is think about how selfish it is for you to
get the instig.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Let's tell you true iPhone YouTube. Right, there's all this
I me not a lot of well, right, I'm with it.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
What's in it for me?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah? It does feel like Tom Brady with the dropping
the f BOMs feels a little bit formulaic, feels a
little bit like Kobe trying to get your attention more.
But that's okay. We can only play it for you
right here on the Doug Gottlip showing the Bonus Podcast.
All right, let me get you on Pick of the Day.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you. It's time for
the Pick of the Day.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Stick of the Day comes to us from the NBA.
Remember I gave you these picks yesterday. I still feel
good about them today. I like I like Miami. They're
a point half favorite against Chicago. They took on a
team in Atlanta that was da dead on arrival. And
New Orleans taking on Sacramento. New Orleans is dominated Sacramento
all year long, with or without Zion Williams. And remember,
(26:01):
this is a Sacramento team that I thought matched up
well with the Warriors. But they still don't have order,
they still don't have Malik Monk. I'm taking the two favorites,
New Orleans Miami, even though their favorites. It's basically pickhams.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
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