April 24, 2024 • 48 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug doesn't think Reggie Bush getting his Heisman Trophy back should be celebrated, and explains why.
In this week's version of "The Midway", Doug and the crew discuss Caitlin Clark's deal with Nike.
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So today we learned that Reggie Bush is apparently going
to get his Heisman back, and the Heisman Trust is
touting the changes in college football, massive changed to in
college football are the reason why we're giving Reggie back
(03:00):
his Heisman.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Look, I could point out that it's it's a comically
bad look for Oj Simpson to have died still having
his Heisman trophy and Reggie Bush being very much alive
without his Heisman trophy. But you want to know what
the truth is. The truth is we've all been snookered,
we've all been stuckerd Look, Reggie Bush should have won
(03:25):
the Heisman did win the Heisman, right, we were all there,
we all lived to see it. And for people who
want to go back and go like, hey, Vince Young
should have won it because he outplayed Reggie Bush in
the Rose Bowl. Again, that's a flawed of the Heisman
Trophy voting because on the last game of the regular
season that year, Texas played TECHS A and M and
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Vince Young played poorly, and then on the same broadcast channel,
UCLA played USC and Reggie Bush was so far and
away the best player on the field, with you know,
Lenda White and all bunch of other talented Trojans, it
was an obvious selection. Okay, but what are we doing.
(04:09):
We're giving it back his Heisman Trophy when he never
admitted to doing anything wrong. Look, I would to give
it up my Heisman Trophy to begin with. But once
you gave it up, you're admitting guilt on some Levelay,
but without All you had to say was he has
(04:30):
never ever come clean about how it all worked, how
it all went out. And just because it's legal now
an nil, Does that mean we give back all the banners,
we give back all the seasons, we give back money
that coaches and universities lost because they were cheating their No,
the rules were pretty apparent. And I'm saying this because
I defended Reggie Bush even throughout the time, like, wow,
(04:53):
what his stepdad is doing. He didn't know, And what
they proved was like he knew he was getting paid
because this is the way it used to work. The
way it used to work was the top players would
get taken care of, and the teams that were over
the top and how they took care of guys were
the ones that everybody said, they're a bunch of cheaters.
(05:16):
The difference now is everybody gets something, even guys that
aren't terribly deserving of it. All right, it's it's the
opposite of nil. It actually, Reggie Bush, the nil that
he would have gotten in the old system would have
been you win the Heisman Trophy and all of the
fruits of your labor. Go with it, right, you got
(05:39):
the Heisman house ads, But I'm supposed to sit here
and go like yeah, NCAA, yeah, sticking to him. Yeah,
Like the NCAA had nothing to do with this decision.
They actually don't have purview into the world of the
Heisman Trophy, that is, the Heisman Trust and the Heisman
Trust thought it would is okay to have O. J.
(06:01):
Simpson still have his heisman, and the Heisman Trust thought
it wasn't okay for Reggie Bush to have his heisman.
And the only changes now they changed college football rules,
so now we'll give him back his Higsman. That doesn't
make any sense. He never admitted to breaking rules at
the time, which it was obvious that they did. Did
Steve Clarkson deserve the punishment he received? No? No, But
(06:28):
we act like Reggie Bush. And look at the time
when he played, he was technically eligible. Then later he
was deemed to be ineligible because his stepdad was taking
money from what was the guy's name Lake, like Lawrence
Lake or something like that. It was a fake agent
name with a fake agent. And this is, by the way,
(06:50):
what we've tried to take out of all of these sports,
which is the fake agent, the runner guy Lloyd Lake. See,
how do I do? I did pretty well?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Did anybody else remember the Lake pool?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'd pretty solid, pretty solid. So I remember all of this.
I lived. I am I'm not today's years old that
I learned that Reggie. But how it was was Reggie
Bush's stepdad was supposedly, you know, selling all this stuff
and taking money from Reggie Bush's likeness, and we acted
like Reggie Bush had no idea, Like, yeah, Reggie Bush
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knew the whole time. And their argument was the NCAA
rule was bad, but you weren't trying to change the
nca rules. You were going around them. So the takeaway is,
I don't know if a right was wrong or wrong
was righted. I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You'll listen, You'll see everybody on Fox say this is
a great thing because they're all USC guys, right, and
Reggie's a good dude. They all, even the Reggie he
didn't work on a big new kickoff anymore. Reggie is
pret good dude. Okay, so they all and then you'll
see ESPN guys all because everybody is anti NCAA even
though this is the Heisman trust. But the reality to
(08:09):
how people really view it is, are you kidding me?
USC was blatant cheaters. They've been blatant cheaters up until
this thing was legal. Always everybody knows it, and they
would always put the basketball team on probation, blatantly blakey
breaking rules and they didn't again, if your issue is
(08:30):
with the rules, then by all means generate a following
like people have done, you know, talk to other schools
and get them along and vote to take down these rules.
But just breaking rules. Then when you accomp breaking the rules,
having banners taken down and acting like you're the victim,
stop it. Stop it all this stuff like you go
(08:52):
back to oh wait wait, we're gonna we're gonna reissue
SMU legitimate football program status because we demolished it with
the death penalty. This is a lot like what we
talked about in UH with social media and influencers and
the super super extremist right or left crowd. There is
(09:16):
never enough. That's what we're gonna have here. Reggie Bush
broke the rules. His punishment was not to lose any
of his championships. It didn't hurt his draft stock, it
didn't hurt his ability to make money outside of I guess.
Was he not in the Heisman house? Was he in
(09:36):
the Heisman house? I don't remember. I don't remember specifically
was in those ads because he had the Hysman so
that money he'll be able to make back. I guess,
But what are we doing? There were rules at the
time that said you couldn't take money. They took money
and the punishment was, hey, man, I get back to
your heidsman like years after he went through the ceremony everything,
(09:58):
even though everybody this whole thing that was going on,
everybody knew in real time, and not one says he'd
be like, you know, my bad, I knew, I didn't
think the rule was right, or my you know, my
stepdad bought me the car and I didn't know. You know,
I knew, but I didn't know. It was just a thing.
And you know, I listen, I apologize and I'm glad
we none of that. It's all been The NSA is
(10:19):
wrong when they never went after the NCAA rules. They
simply did whatever the hell they wanted to do, and
we are supporting that. Supporting that, I mean, just so
you know, like people, what happened to the downfall of
UNLV basketball. Do you guys remember UNLV basketball won a
(10:43):
national championship, Then the next year they were supposed to
be on probation. They basically delayed it until a year
after Larry Johnson, Stacy Augman, and Anderson Hunt. Greg Anthony
went on to the pros and then they went on
probation and Jerry Tarcanan resigned and then they hired Raleigh Masmino.
But again, if we're gonna are we gonna go back
and right those wrongs and let's hey change history. No,
(11:05):
why because you broke rules?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
You know?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So does this work? This is a in real life.
In real life, most interstates out in the middle of
nowhere seventy five miles an hour. So imagine if you
got a ticket ten years ago, back when it was
fifty five miles an hour, and you're like, hey, it's
seventy five now. It was fifty five then, but it
should have been seventy five then because there's nobody around.
(11:32):
It's out like. It doesn't work that way. No place
on earth does it work that way except in sports,
where we've made the NCAA, which, believe it or not,
is actually the schools themselves. Right, it's a weird thing.
There's no legislating body, there's no like senators that represent
there's actually the schools themselves. We make the NCAA into
(11:55):
this absolutely evil. Yeah, anybody who gets over on the
end to and by the way, the nc had nothing
to do with this. It's the Heisman Trust, which is
a group of people that have this trophy, which isn't
really nearly as relevant anymore. They take the voting at
odd times. Sometimes they get right, sometimes they don't, and
usually the guy who gets the Heisman trophy is not
(12:15):
the best pro prospect in Outside of that, they're super important.
They didn't have to take away his Heisman trophy. They
did because it brought them attention, and they didn't have
to give it back to him because he never admitted
to breaking the rules of the obviously, and if they
had some balls, if they actually had standards, they would
have taken the thing from Oj Simpson, who in a
(12:39):
criminal court was found not guilty, but in a civil
court killed two people in cold blood. But by all means,
give Reggie back his heisman and let Oj be buried
with his Ah, you thought you get a different take today.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Did you?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I thought, I really did not see this coming, and
I'm really glad you took this. Stacks and the speed
limit analogy is appropriate, But let me give you another one.
Joe Biden has pardoned thousands of marijuana convictions. Now this
is an applicable example in an election year. These people
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knowingly and willingly violated rules and laws. And that's to
me what prison is. It's prisons are filled with people
whose character has been judged to violate laws. So you're
vacating convictions of people who chose to break the law.
(13:37):
So all these people that are out, now, these thousands
of people that will likely vote for Joe Biden, by
the way, I think that they are likely to do
something again that breaks the law. We're talking about the
character of a person, not necessarily what they did to
get into prison.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Well, I yes, I would say that again. And this
is a lot like the marijuana analogy. Okay, but there's
different sorts of pardons, right, like if you got caught
with a joint, you know, you got pulled over and
you had a joint burned out in your car, and
you had other convictions that it was your third strike,
(14:15):
and you're like, really, what are we doing here? As
opposed to if you were was it Leon Lett who
was the former cowboy they got hold?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Oh, is you have like eight hundred pounds or something?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yes, Nate Newton, Nate Newton google the story real quick, right,
Like that's there's a there's different sorts of breaking the law.
There right, that's like one hundred dollars handshake, as opposed
to Reggie Bush was flossing in a brand new car,
and you know, was It's just like the Johnny Manzel thing,
like they're all they were all blatantly cheating and breaking rules.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Two hundred and thirteen pounds of marijuana, be Ate Newton.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's a lot of weed, two hundred and thirteen pounds.
So it's one of those like, yeah, well it's legal now,
it's it's still not legal to sell two hundred and
thirteen pounds out of the back of your car, right,
Uncle Sam gotta get his. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm
with you. And I don't think Reggie is a terrible
human being. Hey, I don't think he was doing anything
(15:18):
different than fifty to seventy five percent of the star
players in college football at the time, right, And that's
that's the argument for him, Like, hey, you know everybody
else was speeding. I mean, you got pulled over. You
got pulled over. So I understand that we feel like
(15:43):
college sports is in a different place. It is, and
you know, this is the it's the Will Wade analogy.
He guys know, Will Wade, Will Wade's the head coach
at McNee state and he has a show cause he's
in order to hire him, you have to have an
infractions meeting with the NCAA because they were eyeing players
at LSU. And what happened is, you know, now people
(16:04):
are like, well, Wade's like a sympathetic figure. Well, what
he was doing at LSU is legal now, yeah, but
there was a lack of forthrightness with everybody around him
at LSU, and that carries over regardless of what the
rules are. It's like people who sold weed. This is
to your point, people who sold weed illegally back in
the day. They're not selling weed legally now. They're not
(16:27):
somebody for we championing weed's rights. It's not what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
They're selling molly now, or they're selling someone else, or
they're selling weed, but they're selling weed without you know,
without having to pay taxes on it. Again, still illegal
and you could still and should go to jail for it,
which is just like people who have seen this in
New York City where they loot clothing stores and then
on the street they sell the clothing at a discount
(16:57):
price with no taxes. So yeah, we've we've reached crazy dumb,
dumb world, and I don't think this is something to
be celebrated. I don't think it's a wrong that was righted.
I wouldn't have ever given back the Heisman Trophy when
(17:18):
I if I had it. But don't make yourself out
to be a victim when at the time you were knowingly,
willfully breaking rules and you've never come clean and said it.
Just come out and go, hey, we were breaking rules
at the time. The rules are no longer the same.
So thank you the Heisman Trust forgive it to me.
(17:39):
I apologize for any strife I caused anybody, but it's
like this, I did nothing wrong. The NCAA are bad
people when you clearly did something again at the time,
based upon the rules, was deemed to be wrong.
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Speaker 8 (19:03):
It's time for.
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One way middle of the show, middle of the day,
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What what?
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Let's get over that hump All right, we need some
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Speaker 9 (19:28):
Well, we can talk about your favorite moments from the
NFL drafts of the past, and we can also talk
and or Kaitlin Clark signing an eight year, twenty eight
million dollar naked shoe deal.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
So just to I just need to correct the record here.
Doug asked Sam if he had any midway ideas, and
then Sam proceeded to plagiarize my ideas.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Let's make sure that that's clearer.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
I was just trying to keep the segment soon.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Doug with Sam reminds me of as a as a
kid who comes out the court and the man. I
didn't get any shots of a Doug and Jason took
all the shots, Like we threw the ball and said
do what you want with it, and you dribbled five
times off your foot and now we went back on defense.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
That sums up my basketball skills, don't.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, MONSI, do you have a midway suggestion? I like
either of those. I was prepared for either of those. Okay,
what the what is the hook on the on the
Kaitlyn Clark thing there, Jake?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I you know me, I love talking about Caitlin Clark.
I just I love talking about because she's such a
polarizing person.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
For whatever why she polarizing.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
She's right in the middle of this political racial divide
and I just like talking about it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
It's great. I think it makes for compelling radio.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
She just signed that Nike deal yesterday, and it's just
I never get sick of talking about it. I think
there is a Caitlin Clark fatigue that is kind of
setting in. But I can never stop talking about that.
But the one about the NFL Draft is this another
polarizing guy, Dove Climbing on Twitter. Everyone knows Dove Climbing.
(20:58):
It's got to be a made up name. He does
a lot of NFL content and a lot of NFL
experts hate him because he often misappropriates what they're trying
to do. But anyways, Dove Climan had a great one.
He's like, my favorite image in the history of the
draft is this. And then he put up a video
of Ceedee Lamb sitting at home.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And taking the cell phone from their girlfriend. His second
girlfriend takes.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
One of his cell phones and he grabs it right away,
and as as men, we all know what he's dealing
with in that moment. I thought that was I also
agree that might be my favorite image of all time.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I don't know, so let's talk about it. Well, you
also have a what's the lineman who's with the Dolphins
now had the gas mask on with yeah, Lermie Tunzel.
Those are like the only two I remember though.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
How about when it was twenty twenty and because of
the pandemic and Bill Belichick had his dog Nike just
sitting in his chair panmics up.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Was fun.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Man, that was good.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That was good. Pandemic stuf fun. That's what I remember
the most.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Roger Goodell eating like eight pounds of M and ms
throughout the course of the night and admitting, so, what's
your favorite.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Kind of M and M peanut, peanut, peanut? What about
you know they have all these other new like peanut
butter filled eminems, peanut butter filled em pieces in my opinion,
Oh that's a hot take. That is a hot take. Well,
pieces doesn't have chocolate in it, right, It's just like
a candy shell, which is weird because Reese's peanut butter
cups do have chocolate. Right, Yeah, solid point. I actually
(22:36):
think I liked I had the said peanut butter min
ms last night.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Those are really good.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Amazing, Yeah, it's really amazing, literally amazing. Uh. I'm gonna
go with Kaitlin Clark. Just keep Jason happy, all right?
Said Jay? So what's interesting about this?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
And we actually have a couple of pretty good perspectives here,
we have a we have a woman, and we have
an Iowa graduate who tends to get long winded about things,
so we'll keep him in check. Kitlin Clark signs a
Nike deal yesterday, and the scuttle butt around this whole
thing is, why does she deserve that much money? A
(23:15):
record deal for a female sports athlete, basketball player, when
the WNBA has been around for twenty five years and
Nike has never given them the kind of deal anybody,
anybody in the sport, the kind of deal that Kaitlin
Clark gets.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Why Why is does she? Why is she most deserving? Guys?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I just I think it's interesting how they came upon
that number. And by the way, it's supposed to be
up to twenty eight, right, which means they got to
hit a coup markers or Shoetaales whatever. And she will,
by the way, she will, And again I think she will.
I also think that there's some ways in which I
don't want to say cheating, but you can if they
make him the team shoe. That's what Sabrina Inescu's deal is, like,
(23:59):
she's the team shoe for all these teams, so you
have to when you buy Nike shoes. You have to
buy those, you know. The only other one would be
would they give her the the Mamba Sidas? Would they
give her the Kobe's because now they have Kobe's back on,
you know, they they own all the Kobe's. They're gonna
come out with new Kobe's. Do they make Caitlin Clark's
(24:21):
the new Gianna Bryant shoes or whatever? That would be
interesting an interesting parent. So it's also not Jordan Brand,
which I know is technically Nike, but it's a different company,
and so she's not Jordan Brand, so she won't be
wearing Air Jordan's. She might get Air Jordan's, but they're
not part of the deal. They're not considered Nike per se,
even though they are Nike. Anyway, go ahead, mansy.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
What do you think I when I read this and
I saw what other offers, like you know, Adidas or
like under Armour and others had offered her, Nike knew
what they were doing. That's why Nike's offer was significantly
bigger than the others. And it's not just because she
is worth it. But I've read like the last couple
of years that Nike sales like jordan sales have kind
(25:04):
of like maybe not gone down, but they've kind of
just flatlined a little bit. And so they knew that
she was going to bring excitement to the brand. So no,
they knew what they were doing. I mean, they knew
she was worth it, but also they did it because
they needed something new. They needed something with the splash.
Jordan's aren't as big as they were at one point,
(25:26):
like dunks are. Now you know what people are going
for dunks more than like.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well they make Here's where Nike is a super smart business. Okay,
So when you have when you have the molds already made, Okay,
that's what costs them so much money is to create
these molds. These molds are thirty forty years old and
they don't have to change them at all. So there's
no R and D, there's no molds. And then now
when you're selling everything off your own website, there's no middleman,
(25:50):
like they're making money hand over fist, handover fist. But
I also the point you point out, which is a
really good one. I don't know if Jordan sales have plateaued,
but I was told from somebody who works at Nike
that they don't keep anything that doesn't make twelve percent
more per year.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So if the question is ever asked, why doesn't Asia
what's your last name Wilson have a shoe? They obviously
didn't think they could hit that number. Yeah, they just didn't.
That's it. They legit, don't care. You know, it's a business.
We gotta make business and want to make business. Sam,
what do you think?
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Yeah, staying on that, it's a business. I really just
getting into the race stuff. It just tires me out.
It exhausts me, and it kind of bores me. She's
she's not only appealing to basketball fans, She's she's appealing
to a lot of kids. Okay, if you're gonna if
you can, if you can grab the attention of eight, ten, twelve,
(26:55):
fifteen year olds, twenty year olds, that's the next generation
you're investing in to shoes. So she's got the respect
of a lot of hoopers, and she's got the attention
of a lot of young people who like her as
an athlete, and they're gonna go out and buy her shoes.
She's when you set records like this, whether it's viewing attendance,
(27:16):
you get maybe the special treatment all right, Taylor Swift.
I'm sorry, but when you're calling it the aras tor
and you've only really been around for like seventeen years,
but look at how successful that was. It's not like
you've been around for thirty years or like, here's the
reunion tour and what's the aras to her? Mean, well,
it's her different eras of her albums, but she's only
(27:37):
been around. She's been around for less than twenty years,
so it's not like it's like a long thirty forty year.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Career, but you can.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
She is so popular that she can do something like
that and people are going to gobble it up. So
this is a business decision by Nike. She deserves it,
and it's gonna pay off for Nike because they're gonna
sell a lot of.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This My issue with Jason with anybody who has said, hey,
these shoe companies are racist or whatever. Sex's like, Look,
do you not think that Adidas is sitting there going like,
how can we make more money? And Plumas sitting there
going how can we make more money? And Reebok is
sitting there going how do we make more money? And
(28:14):
under Armours like, man, we were killing it about twenty
years ago, how do we make more money? So say,
as your shoes are hard. You know, Zion was incredibly popular,
incredibly popular coming out. He made Duke likable, hard to
do right, and he still has shoes in their cool shoes.
(28:37):
But nobody's talking about him. People aren't. It's not there's
not a buzz to them. They're not running off of shelves.
Why because Zion. It's been a weird couple of years
here with him in the NBA. So I would say
that's probably the same thing with Caitlin. To be honest,
is again, they'll do some things to help her out.
They'll make it the team shoe, or they'll link it
to Tamambas or whatever. But at the end of the day,
(29:00):
like if she's just okay five years in, the shoe
will go away that's what happened. Or they'll make it
and we won't be much fanfare if not. I agree.
I mean, I think, look, this is a happening. This
is a thing. You're trying to capitalize on it. This
is a it's like insanity with with more substance, and
(29:20):
you know, get that profit while you can. I just
I'll be interested to see how it, how it plays out,
how it lasts. You know what happens she if she
goes to the Olympics and doesn't play that much because
she's not one of the five best players in the
world yet, right yet.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, that's a hot take right there.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I don't know enough about women's vast well, but I'm
just guessing she's not as good as the pros. That's
why the pros tells me the.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Way of my of my many pushbacks to people that
have a problem with this, or if you're sure a
person of color and you've gone on Twitter over the
last seven days and said, what about the other w
NBA players, this is racist? My main pushback to that
is that you're talking about Nike, who they took a
massive risk when they signed Colin Kaepernick to the deal
(30:04):
they did. When they did, they basically told their market
that if you don't believe in these politics, you could
choose not to buy our shoes. And for me, that's
a major risk for a company like that. And you
could almost say that Nike's taken a risk. Now, I
think having a Kitler and Clark shoe is so polarizing
(30:25):
that maybe you're going to get a segment of the
population not buy your shoes because you chose her. So
there is a risk involved, I think, But I would
never say that they were racist. I think that they
are provocative and polarizing on purpose. And we've been talking
about Nike for a week and it's worked.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's a great point. It's a great point. Yeah. I'm
interested because one thing Caitlin Clark's did a really good
job of is not saying anything interesting.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
It's she's being controversial.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
She's kind of going Derek Jeter on us a little bit,
and I think it's really smart, Like, don't engage in
the transgender politics stuff, don't talk about women's rights. I
wouldn't get into race. The other thing that's really interesting
to me is like people who say they want women's
sports to be pushed forward are often the same people
(31:26):
that are pushing back against this. This is a little
bit of what Jason was getting into. And you know,
it's like, look, if you want more women's shoes, you
know what your best course of action would be, Buy
her shoes, right, buy her shoes. Yeah, I mean that's
really what Sabrina's shoe was. Like, Sabrina's shoe is so
(31:47):
cool that just bought a pair, right, But I mean
you have bought a pair of the nesque shoe.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
But they're so cool that middle school and high school
boys will order them.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's the ultimate sign up. Yeah, because otherwise you're like
a girl's shoe.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
Nope, look at it like that.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You gotta do the size adjustment, size and a half, right,
it is the size and half, size and a half
to do the size adjustment thing. But dudes will buy
a girls shoe if it's cool enough. And Sabrina's shoe
is cool enough. Make it that cool. And if you're
one of these supporters, you know, it's like, hey, why
don't we have more women with shoes? Okay, well it
starts with the shoe. Buy those shoes. Eventually they'll figure
(32:27):
it out.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That's the midway. That's the midway. Sam, good job there,
not too long winded. We're you know, we're good. We're
thirty second beast bits, thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
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for you. Okay, this is David Fleming. He's a writer
and apparently he talked to a couple of NFL scouts
who aren't going to draft Caleb Williams, but they had
this to say about the potential of drafting Caleb Williams.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
What did this scout tell you? They can report. I
hated it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Hated it.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
He would scare the out of me if I was
working for a team. Raw emotion is great, but Caleb's
thing that was ridiculous to me. That threw up major
red flags. You just lost a game in the middle
of your season, and it was like your third loss
in the Pac twelve, and you went hugging on mommy
and crying in Mommy's arms and it just seems really
(33:58):
freaking weak and nut. And I will tell you he
scares this out of a lot of NFL teams too.
The book on him is he's just kind of a
weird kid. One GM told me it's like if Prince
playing quarterback. Look, I don't know him from Adam, I
do not know him, But to me that looked weak
as really fragile.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Tellas, what do you think of some of the things
that we've seen from Caleb Williams off the football field,
But I.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Don't know about Prince playing quarterback. I mean, this guy
is unbelievably special as a player. To your point, you
know that off the field, this is a big, big
deal when you're talking about picking a quarterback for years
and years to come, right and an organization that needs
to hit this exactly how they need to hit it right.
So these are concerns and we dig into these kind
(34:50):
of things as general managers and as scouts, and we're
we're marked up by our owners on that if you're
bringing in a guy who's going to be your quarterback
for years to come, you better make sure as clean
as possible that kid is. And there are questions out
there aside from his ability on the field, and I
think there are probably teams out there that are happy
(35:13):
that they're not having to deal with that because the
Bears are going to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
On the field. What's your assessment of him on the field.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
I think he is incredibly special. I think his ability
to move around the field, his ability to make throws,
his ability at all levels, his ability to make plays,
his ability to add lib these are all top notch.
He is a rare athlete as well as Jayden Daniels,
by the way, and I think he is special. As
long as you can get the other stuff air quotes
(35:46):
in check, you could build off of this guy and
he can be a difference maker of course.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Okay, Jane Daniels is he If you're Washington, that's who
you take.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
I love Jayden Daniels and I would love for my
old buddy Dan Quinn to take Jadan Daniels.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
What do you like about him?
Speaker 6 (36:02):
Jaan Daniels is another rare athlete. This guy obviously, what
I love watching is seeing his you know, his incremental
increases and ability and as as he was building this
year up to a spot where he was very, very special.
When I hear people say, is that a concern that
this year was his biggest year? I'm thinking no, every
(36:23):
year we want him to get better, and I think
that he's done that and it's very special. Top notch kid,
top notch athlete again, ability to make plays everywhere, makes
the big throws. As we know, he's accurate, and he's
a very solid person that people aren't worried about some
of the other stuff off the field.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
How does he fit?
Speaker 6 (36:46):
You?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Know you have you bring in an offensive coordinator who
plays a specific style? How much? How much does that
play into who you draft? When you sign Cliff Kingsbury,
who's been a quarterback in the league, ben offensive coordinator
obviously been a successfu White coach even in the NFL,
how does that affect who you draft?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Well?
Speaker 6 (37:10):
I think it's a really important thing. It's a really
important thing that the head coach and the coordinator and
the GM are literally talking the same language, right, Doug.
Because you get someone in there where it we're a
head coach and a GM has a certain vision of
that quarterback and your coordinator isn't in line, that becomes complicated.
My point is, yes, it does depend on the scheme
(37:33):
and the approach with the coordinator. But you better also
have a legitimate quarterback coach that can work along lines
with your coordinator. That is a big, big deal. There
has been too many times where coordinators have come in
with an idea of what they want and then it
causes an issue between the head coach and the coordinator,
which I don't think is going to be the case
(37:53):
in a place of Washington. Of course.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Thomas Abitchevsark guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let me Eric, let me ask you.
Eric Eager also joining us. Of course, he's the he's
the analytics guy. He's the analytics guy. What analytics tell
us about these two quarterbacks and the likelihood of success?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, I think that there's a pretty big variable for
Jaden Daniels that is troublesome in the in the fact
that when he's pressured, he takes a lot of sacks.
Two years ago at elis do thirty percent of the
times he was pressured he was sacked. Last year was
a little bit better at twenty percent, which is right
around where Jason Drake May and Caleb Williams were. Michael
(38:37):
Pennix Bonix under ten percent in that metric, and that's
something that is carried with players like Patrick Mahomes is.
Pressure to sack ratio is about one tenth of one
percent different in the pros at Kansas City than it
was at Texas Tech. So that's one where it gets
a little bit. He's going to have the highest mark
of any first round quarterback that's been taken since people
(38:59):
have been charting this to Tay Sick. And so if
I'm Washington, I have to know that I don't I
don't not draft him because of this, but I have
to think to myself, Okay, what do my other picks
look like? What do my fre agent signings look like?
Because unlike when Chicago took Justin Fields, a player who
had very similar statistics, great accuracy, great production, but a
(39:19):
lot of sacks taken, Chicago didn't build that offensive line
around him until it was too late and his development
was slow. Is Washington who's not all that well in
doubt from a roster standpoint, especially on the offensive line.
How are they going to work around Jadon Daniel's weaknesses
because his strengths are worth drafting.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know if Washington's going to take that they're
not that well in doubt. Granted you're talking about their offense,
but you know that that strikes it as really really personal. Eric,
I don't know, Thomas, if you're you're allowing this, I'm kidding.
Stug gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thomas, my
question is about Brock Bauers. I think that's you know, like, look,
Jade Dale's I know he won the Heisman Trophy. Brock
Bowers probably best player in the SE. He's a dynamic
(40:02):
player at a position which has has long but definitely
recently argued, Hey, we're just as important, if not more so,
than some wide receivers. Where are you on Brock Bauers
And how high you're willing to go to draft a
tight end?
Speaker 6 (40:18):
So back in the day, we would only draft tight
ends in the second and third round, great value. We
realize how important tight ends are to the new quarterback
or to an evolving quarterback high percentage shot. We saw
what Bill Belichick did in New England over those years
for us, for Matt Ryan. Back in the day, it
was bringing in Tony Gonzalez. You see the special ones
(40:40):
out there. This guy, Brock Bauers to me, is a
once in a decade type of player. No question that
Pits in Atlanta is a top notch athlete, But I
believe that a guy like Brock Bowers brings more of
the full package to the table. I would not be
surprised to someone that nine, ten, eleven, twelve would pick
rock back and be happy and do the raise the
(41:03):
roof situation after the pick and not look back, because
this guy can be the guy that makes a difference
for that young and evolving quarterback.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Eric analytics wise, what's the value of a star tight
end as opposed to like a star wide receiver like
a Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah, from a value standpoint, the top end wide receiver.
I mean, we just saw I'm on Rosstain Brown sign
a thirty million dollars apy contract. The top of the
market or tight ends is right around seventeen million. So
that's really the argument against taking a tight end is
if he is for he comes in and produces as
one of the best players in football, it's still thirteen
(41:42):
million less on the marketplace than a wide receiver. Meaning
what's the cost of failure if I fail at wide receiver?
In the draft. I have to go trade a draft
pick and a big contract for a j Brown or
Marquis Brown or something like that this time of year,
Whereas if I fail at tight end, I can just
go in to the free agency market and sign you know,
(42:04):
Thomas's old draft pick Austin Hooper for ten million bucks
and he'll he'll generally speak and get more of the
way to where Brock Bauers is. Then, say a Christian
Kirk at twenty million dollars in free agency will get
towards Jamar Chase or get towards a player like that.
So to me, that's the argument against. And they also
just developed really slowly. David Njoku is the only tight
(42:27):
end in the last you know, ten years or so
to sign a second contract among first round tight ends
with the team that thought that that drafted him. Oftentimes
you're drafting another team's star tight end when you take
them in round one.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Mark Andrews is less than ten Mark Andrews is how
many years Mark Andrew's been doing it. That's the only
other name I can think of that's.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Well, yeah, I mean the anecdote there is funny. It
is Hayden Hurst was the guy who drafted ahead of
Mark Andrews, and so even the Ravens, who drafted a
great tight end, misevaluated.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
No, they got ahead of Lamar Jackson too, right, and
then they trade to Hayton Hurst, who's by the way
back with this old coach and with the Chargers. Now
that's gonna be an interesting, interesting fit.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Men.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
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loaded up. If you like what you're hearing and feel
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Are either of you guys cologne guys?
Speaker 4 (43:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I am not. Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Sam's a Cologne guy.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
But not at work. I don't smell you.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
Sometimes I wear it to work, and it just depends.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
What is your Do you have one colonne or many colonnes.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
I usually only wear a colonne I get as a gift.
This one is uh, man, it's like a do.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
You have many coloones or ony one?
Speaker 9 (44:17):
I have one and it's uh, it's it's lady tested
in terms of the preference.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
So I know, is sex panther That's.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
What I was going to say. The time it works sixty.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Sixty percent of the time. It works percent of the time.
Speaker 9 (44:30):
I believe sex panther makes people ill. This one doesn't
so much.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
It comes with real panther.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yes, I think.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
I think it's called Jimmy Chang man Ice monthly.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Do you approve of Jimmy Chang man ice? No? Okay, no,
So so here's the question. Here's a question. How many sprays?
Oh so when you're hold on, when you when you
have a son who's fifteen, Okay, they all and all
of his buddies, don't ry.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
Jimmy Choo man ice.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Jimmy Choo. That was very important.
Speaker 9 (44:59):
I'm going I don't want people to treat that I'm
glad that you interrupted.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Jim already moved on. But no, that's fine.
Speaker 9 (45:06):
We're talking Colone.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Still, we're good. We got the Jimmy Chew got good. Okay,
So mons year, do you think two sprays?
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Yeah, I do two sprays, and I think for everybody
it's two sprays.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Well, you're uh diminutive, a little vertically challenged, so I
don't know if it's a size of person. I'm actually
a one spray, right, I've been taught right in the
middle of your like solar plex solar plexes, sure, right,
and that like bunnels everything all your body. Whatever I do.
One spray of mine.
Speaker 9 (45:36):
Do you walk into it?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's what's the light? Yeah, the really light thing. Like no,
but uh, there there are times when that fits. But
would you you got you start to get to multiple
like when you can smell it yourself. It's a problem
too much, and like my son is like, yeah, that
one I used three, that one he used four, like four.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
The teenage boys are bad at this, bad because they
will just code it. Yeah, it's way too much.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
It's it's better than smelling bad, yes, sort of, yeah,
smelling bad, But you're talking about extreme.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
They're both distracting, they're both DISTRECTO is the worst?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Is the worst?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
It's the worst when you got bo okay, and especially
when you get like young boy Bo where they all
kind of smell like grass, and then they try to overcompensate,
and then when they all have athletes have gas to
eating high protein diets or whatever, you're like, geez, what
the hell you guys all stink? So I agree, but
most kids that use cologne are not stinky kids, so
(46:35):
it's not Actually it's what's better nothing and being clean
or you know, really it's putting on one spray or
maybe two or one and then walking into one, but
you get to three or four sprays and like, dude,
I can smell you come before you get out of
the car.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
What's worse is doing what they do in France and
instead of bathing, Yes, they just use cologne, so it's col.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Shower. Is there your talk about?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (47:01):
I don't know if they do that so much anymore.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I don't think they did that. Sam, was the last
time you were in Europe? Jase two?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
No, No, I went to I went to Wimbledon once.
I was there for four hours?
Speaker 1 (47:14):
How long ago?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
About eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Okay, uh, Sam, how long since you've been in foreign country?
Speaker 9 (47:21):
I was in London last May, so about eleven months ago.
I do know why though. The French kind of pioneered Cologne.
But that's for maybe the podcast actually saw watched like
a documentary on it is fascinating. So Jason wants to.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
Do you have it?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Do you have an ability to tell it in a
very concise fashion?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yes? Never, he never does.
Speaker 9 (47:40):
What treaty?
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Okay, Treaty of Versailles?
Speaker 9 (47:43):
Was that four or five hundred years ago? Sure? Uh,
these people they did not want to bathe, so they
thought bathing was bad for you, just like a lot
of people did during medieval times or whenever, hundreds of
years ago. So they just coded themselves in cologne perfume
and their body odor was still quite overwhelming, and it
was just combination of two bad things.
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There you go. See that was that was fairly concise.
That took you less than thirty seconds to tell you
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So today we learned that Reggie Bush is apparently going
to get his Heisman back, and the Heisman Trust is
touting the changes in college football, massive changed to in
college football are the reason why we're giving Reggie back
(03:00):
his Heisman.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Look, I could point out that it's it's a comically
bad look for Oj Simpson to have died still having
his Heisman trophy and Reggie Bush being very much alive
without his Heisman trophy. But you want to know what
the truth is. The truth is we've all been snookered,
we've all been stuckerd Look, Reggie Bush should have won
(03:25):
the Heisman did win the Heisman, right, we were all there,
we all lived to see it. And for people who
want to go back and go like, hey, Vince Young
should have won it because he outplayed Reggie Bush in
the Rose Bowl. Again, that's a flawed of the Heisman
Trophy voting because on the last game of the regular
season that year, Texas played TECHS A and M and
(03:48):
Vince Young played poorly, and then on the same broadcast channel,
UCLA played USC and Reggie Bush was so far and
away the best player on the field, with you know,
Lenda White and all bunch of other talented Trojans, it
was an obvious selection. Okay, but what are we doing.
(04:09):
We're giving it back his Heisman Trophy when he never
admitted to doing anything wrong. Look, I would to give
it up my Heisman Trophy to begin with. But once
you gave it up, you're admitting guilt on some Levelay,
but without All you had to say was he has
(04:30):
never ever come clean about how it all worked, how
it all went out. And just because it's legal now
an nil, Does that mean we give back all the banners,
we give back all the seasons, we give back money
that coaches and universities lost because they were cheating their No,
the rules were pretty apparent. And I'm saying this because
I defended Reggie Bush even throughout the time, like, wow,
(04:53):
what his stepdad is doing. He didn't know, And what
they proved was like he knew he was getting paid
because this is the way it used to work. The
way it used to work was the top players would
get taken care of, and the teams that were over
the top and how they took care of guys were
the ones that everybody said, they're a bunch of cheaters.
(05:16):
The difference now is everybody gets something, even guys that
aren't terribly deserving of it. All right, it's it's the
opposite of nil. It actually, Reggie Bush, the nil that
he would have gotten in the old system would have
been you win the Heisman Trophy and all of the
fruits of your labor. Go with it, right, you got
(05:39):
the Heisman house ads, But I'm supposed to sit here
and go like yeah, NCAA, yeah, sticking to him. Yeah,
Like the NCAA had nothing to do with this decision.
They actually don't have purview into the world of the
Heisman Trophy, that is, the Heisman Trust and the Heisman
Trust thought it would is okay to have O. J.
(06:01):
Simpson still have his heisman, and the Heisman Trust thought
it wasn't okay for Reggie Bush to have his heisman.
And the only changes now they changed college football rules,
so now we'll give him back his Higsman. That doesn't
make any sense. He never admitted to breaking rules at
the time, which it was obvious that they did. Did
Steve Clarkson deserve the punishment he received? No? No, But
(06:28):
we act like Reggie Bush. And look at the time
when he played, he was technically eligible. Then later he
was deemed to be ineligible because his stepdad was taking
money from what was the guy's name Lake, like Lawrence
Lake or something like that. It was a fake agent
name with a fake agent. And this is, by the way,
(06:50):
what we've tried to take out of all of these sports,
which is the fake agent, the runner guy Lloyd Lake. See,
how do I do? I did pretty well?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Did anybody else remember the Lake pool?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'd pretty solid, pretty solid. So I remember all of this.
I lived. I am I'm not today's years old that
I learned that Reggie. But how it was was Reggie
Bush's stepdad was supposedly, you know, selling all this stuff
and taking money from Reggie Bush's likeness, and we acted
like Reggie Bush had no idea, Like, yeah, Reggie Bush
(07:23):
knew the whole time. And their argument was the NCAA
rule was bad, but you weren't trying to change the
nca rules. You were going around them. So the takeaway is,
I don't know if a right was wrong or wrong
was righted. I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You'll listen, You'll see everybody on Fox say this is
a great thing because they're all USC guys, right, and
Reggie's a good dude. They all, even the Reggie he
didn't work on a big new kickoff anymore. Reggie is
pret good dude. Okay, so they all and then you'll
see ESPN guys all because everybody is anti NCAA even
though this is the Heisman trust. But the reality to
(08:09):
how people really view it is, are you kidding me?
USC was blatant cheaters. They've been blatant cheaters up until
this thing was legal. Always everybody knows it, and they
would always put the basketball team on probation, blatantly blakey
breaking rules and they didn't again, if your issue is
(08:30):
with the rules, then by all means generate a following
like people have done, you know, talk to other schools
and get them along and vote to take down these rules.
But just breaking rules. Then when you accomp breaking the rules,
having banners taken down and acting like you're the victim,
stop it. Stop it all this stuff like you go
(08:52):
back to oh wait wait, we're gonna we're gonna reissue
SMU legitimate football program status because we demolished it with
the death penalty. This is a lot like what we
talked about in UH with social media and influencers and
the super super extremist right or left crowd. There is
(09:16):
never enough. That's what we're gonna have here. Reggie Bush
broke the rules. His punishment was not to lose any
of his championships. It didn't hurt his draft stock, it
didn't hurt his ability to make money outside of I guess.
Was he not in the Heisman house? Was he in
(09:36):
the Heisman house? I don't remember. I don't remember specifically
was in those ads because he had the Hysman so
that money he'll be able to make back. I guess,
But what are we doing? There were rules at the
time that said you couldn't take money. They took money
and the punishment was, hey, man, I get back to
your heidsman like years after he went through the ceremony everything,
(09:58):
even though everybody this whole thing that was going on,
everybody knew in real time, and not one says he'd
be like, you know, my bad, I knew, I didn't
think the rule was right, or my you know, my
stepdad bought me the car and I didn't know. You know,
I knew, but I didn't know. It was just a thing.
And you know, I listen, I apologize and I'm glad
we none of that. It's all been The NSA is
(10:19):
wrong when they never went after the NCAA rules. They
simply did whatever the hell they wanted to do, and
we are supporting that. Supporting that, I mean, just so
you know, like people, what happened to the downfall of
UNLV basketball. Do you guys remember UNLV basketball won a
(10:43):
national championship, Then the next year they were supposed to
be on probation. They basically delayed it until a year
after Larry Johnson, Stacy Augman, and Anderson Hunt. Greg Anthony
went on to the pros and then they went on
probation and Jerry Tarcanan resigned and then they hired Raleigh Masmino.
But again, if we're gonna are we gonna go back
and right those wrongs and let's hey change history. No,
(11:05):
why because you broke rules?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
You know?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So does this work? This is a in real life.
In real life, most interstates out in the middle of
nowhere seventy five miles an hour. So imagine if you
got a ticket ten years ago, back when it was
fifty five miles an hour, and you're like, hey, it's
seventy five now. It was fifty five then, but it
should have been seventy five then because there's nobody around.
(11:32):
It's out like. It doesn't work that way. No place
on earth does it work that way except in sports,
where we've made the NCAA, which, believe it or not,
is actually the schools themselves. Right, it's a weird thing.
There's no legislating body, there's no like senators that represent
there's actually the schools themselves. We make the NCAA into
(11:55):
this absolutely evil. Yeah, anybody who gets over on the
end to and by the way, the nc had nothing
to do with this. It's the Heisman Trust, which is
a group of people that have this trophy, which isn't
really nearly as relevant anymore. They take the voting at
odd times. Sometimes they get right, sometimes they don't, and
usually the guy who gets the Heisman trophy is not
(12:15):
the best pro prospect in Outside of that, they're super important.
They didn't have to take away his Heisman trophy. They
did because it brought them attention, and they didn't have
to give it back to him because he never admitted
to breaking the rules of the obviously, and if they
had some balls, if they actually had standards, they would
have taken the thing from Oj Simpson, who in a
(12:39):
criminal court was found not guilty, but in a civil
court killed two people in cold blood. But by all means,
give Reggie back his heisman and let Oj be buried
with his Ah, you thought you get a different take today.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Did you?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I thought, I really did not see this coming, and
I'm really glad you took this. Stacks and the speed
limit analogy is appropriate, But let me give you another one.
Joe Biden has pardoned thousands of marijuana convictions. Now this
is an applicable example in an election year. These people
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knowingly and willingly violated rules and laws. And that's to
me what prison is. It's prisons are filled with people
whose character has been judged to violate laws. So you're
vacating convictions of people who chose to break the law.
(13:37):
So all these people that are out, now, these thousands
of people that will likely vote for Joe Biden, by
the way, I think that they are likely to do
something again that breaks the law. We're talking about the
character of a person, not necessarily what they did to
get into prison.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Well, I yes, I would say that again. And this
is a lot like the marijuana analogy. Okay, but there's
different sorts of pardons, right, like if you got caught
with a joint, you know, you got pulled over and
you had a joint burned out in your car, and
you had other convictions that it was your third strike,
(14:15):
and you're like, really, what are we doing here? As
opposed to if you were was it Leon Lett who
was the former cowboy they got hold?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Oh, is you have like eight hundred pounds or something?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yes, Nate Newton, Nate Newton google the story real quick, right,
Like that's there's a there's different sorts of breaking the law.
There right, that's like one hundred dollars handshake, as opposed
to Reggie Bush was flossing in a brand new car,
and you know, was It's just like the Johnny Manzel thing,
like they're all they were all blatantly cheating and breaking rules.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Two hundred and thirteen pounds of marijuana, be Ate Newton.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It's a lot of weed, two hundred and thirteen pounds.
So it's one of those like, yeah, well it's legal now,
it's it's still not legal to sell two hundred and
thirteen pounds out of the back of your car, right,
Uncle Sam gotta get his. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm
with you. And I don't think Reggie is a terrible
human being. Hey, I don't think he was doing anything
(15:18):
different than fifty to seventy five percent of the star
players in college football at the time, right, And that's
that's the argument for him, Like, hey, you know everybody
else was speeding. I mean, you got pulled over. You
got pulled over. So I understand that we feel like
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college sports is in a different place. It is, and
you know, this is the it's the Will Wade analogy.
He guys know, Will Wade, Will Wade's the head coach
at McNee state and he has a show cause he's
in order to hire him, you have to have an
infractions meeting with the NCAA because they were eyeing players
at LSU. And what happened is, you know, now people
(16:04):
are like, well, Wade's like a sympathetic figure. Well, what
he was doing at LSU is legal now, yeah, but
there was a lack of forthrightness with everybody around him
at LSU, and that carries over regardless of what the
rules are. It's like people who sold weed. This is
to your point, people who sold weed illegally back in
the day. They're not selling weed legally now. They're not
(16:27):
somebody for we championing weed's rights. It's not what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
They're selling molly now, or they're selling someone else, or
they're selling weed, but they're selling weed without you know,
without having to pay taxes on it. Again, still illegal
and you could still and should go to jail for it,
which is just like people who have seen this in
New York City where they loot clothing stores and then
on the street they sell the clothing at a discount
(16:57):
price with no taxes. So yeah, we've we've reached crazy dumb,
dumb world, and I don't think this is something to
be celebrated. I don't think it's a wrong that was righted.
I wouldn't have ever given back the Heisman Trophy when
(17:18):
I if I had it. But don't make yourself out
to be a victim when at the time you were knowingly,
willfully breaking rules and you've never come clean and said it.
Just come out and go, hey, we were breaking rules
at the time. The rules are no longer the same.
So thank you the Heisman Trust forgive it to me.
(17:39):
I apologize for any strife I caused anybody, but it's
like this, I did nothing wrong. The NCAA are bad
people when you clearly did something again at the time,
based upon the rules, was deemed to be wrong.
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a little bit later on this hour. Let's get to
the midwe he's not getting the middle.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
It's time for.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
One way middle of the show, middle of the day,
middle of the week. Right, hump day?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
What what?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Let's get over that hump All right, we need some
suggestions here on midway, Sam.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
Well, we can talk about your favorite moments from the
NFL drafts of the past, and we can also talk
and or Kaitlin Clark signing an eight year, twenty eight
million dollar naked shoe deal.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
So just to I just need to correct the record here.
Doug asked Sam if he had any midway ideas, and
then Sam proceeded to plagiarize my ideas.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Let's make sure that that's clearer.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
I was just trying to keep the segment soon.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Doug with Sam reminds me of as a as a
kid who comes out the court and the man. I
didn't get any shots of a Doug and Jason took
all the shots, Like we threw the ball and said
do what you want with it, and you dribbled five
times off your foot and now we went back on defense.
Speaker 9 (20:09):
That sums up my basketball skills, don't.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, MONSI, do you have a midway suggestion? I like
either of those. I was prepared for either of those. Okay,
what the what is the hook on the on the
Kaitlyn Clark thing there, Jake?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I you know me, I love talking about Caitlin Clark.
I just I love talking about because she's such a
polarizing person.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
For whatever why she polarizing.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
She's right in the middle of this political racial divide
and I just like talking about it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
It's great. I think it makes for compelling radio.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
She just signed that Nike deal yesterday, and it's just
I never get sick of talking about it. I think
there is a Caitlin Clark fatigue that is kind of
setting in. But I can never stop talking about that.
But the one about the NFL Draft is this another
polarizing guy, Dove Climbing on Twitter. Everyone knows Dove Climbing.
(20:58):
It's got to be a made up name. He does
a lot of NFL content and a lot of NFL
experts hate him because he often misappropriates what they're trying
to do. But anyways, Dove Climan had a great one.
He's like, my favorite image in the history of the
draft is this. And then he put up a video
of Ceedee Lamb sitting at home.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And taking the cell phone from their girlfriend. His second
girlfriend takes.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
One of his cell phones and he grabs it right away,
and as as men, we all know what he's dealing
with in that moment. I thought that was I also
agree that might be my favorite image of all time.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I don't know, so let's talk about it. Well, you
also have a what's the lineman who's with the Dolphins
now had the gas mask on with yeah, Lermie Tunzel.
Those are like the only two I remember though.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
How about when it was twenty twenty and because of
the pandemic and Bill Belichick had his dog Nike just
sitting in his chair panmics up.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Was fun.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Man, that was good.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
That was good. Pandemic stuf fun. That's what I remember
the most.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Roger Goodell eating like eight pounds of M and ms
throughout the course of the night and admitting, so, what's
your favorite.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Kind of M and M peanut, peanut, peanut? What about
you know they have all these other new like peanut
butter filled eminems, peanut butter filled em pieces in my opinion,
Oh that's a hot take. That is a hot take. Well,
pieces doesn't have chocolate in it, right, It's just like
a candy shell, which is weird because Reese's peanut butter
cups do have chocolate. Right, Yeah, solid point. I actually
(22:36):
think I liked I had the said peanut butter min
ms last night.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Those are really good.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Amazing, Yeah, it's really amazing, literally amazing. Uh. I'm gonna
go with Kaitlin Clark. Just keep Jason happy, all right?
Said Jay? So what's interesting about this?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
And we actually have a couple of pretty good perspectives here,
we have a we have a woman, and we have
an Iowa graduate who tends to get long winded about things,
so we'll keep him in check. Kitlin Clark signs a
Nike deal yesterday, and the scuttle butt around this whole
thing is, why does she deserve that much money? A
(23:15):
record deal for a female sports athlete, basketball player, when
the WNBA has been around for twenty five years and
Nike has never given them the kind of deal anybody,
anybody in the sport, the kind of deal that Kaitlin
Clark gets.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Why Why is does she? Why is she most deserving? Guys?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I just I think it's interesting how they came upon
that number. And by the way, it's supposed to be
up to twenty eight, right, which means they got to
hit a coup markers or Shoetaales whatever. And she will,
by the way, she will, And again I think she will.
I also think that there's some ways in which I
don't want to say cheating, but you can if they
make him the team shoe. That's what Sabrina Inescu's deal is, like,
(23:59):
she's the team shoe for all these teams, so you
have to when you buy Nike shoes. You have to
buy those, you know. The only other one would be
would they give her the the Mamba Sidas? Would they
give her the Kobe's because now they have Kobe's back on,
you know, they they own all the Kobe's. They're gonna
come out with new Kobe's. Do they make Caitlin Clark's
(24:21):
the new Gianna Bryant shoes or whatever? That would be
interesting an interesting parent. So it's also not Jordan Brand,
which I know is technically Nike, but it's a different company,
and so she's not Jordan Brand, so she won't be
wearing Air Jordan's. She might get Air Jordan's, but they're
not part of the deal. They're not considered Nike per se,
even though they are Nike. Anyway, go ahead, mansy.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
What do you think I when I read this and
I saw what other offers, like you know, Adidas or
like under Armour and others had offered her, Nike knew
what they were doing. That's why Nike's offer was significantly
bigger than the others. And it's not just because she
is worth it. But I've read like the last couple
of years that Nike sales like jordan sales have kind
(25:04):
of like maybe not gone down, but they've kind of
just flatlined a little bit. And so they knew that
she was going to bring excitement to the brand. So no,
they knew what they were doing. I mean, they knew
she was worth it, but also they did it because
they needed something new. They needed something with the splash.
Jordan's aren't as big as they were at one point,
(25:26):
like dunks are. Now you know what people are going
for dunks more than like.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well they make Here's where Nike is a super smart business. Okay,
So when you have when you have the molds already made, Okay,
that's what costs them so much money is to create
these molds. These molds are thirty forty years old and
they don't have to change them at all. So there's
no R and D, there's no molds. And then now
when you're selling everything off your own website, there's no middleman,
(25:50):
like they're making money hand over fist, handover fist. But
I also the point you point out, which is a
really good one. I don't know if Jordan sales have plateaued,
but I was told from somebody who works at Nike
that they don't keep anything that doesn't make twelve percent
more per year.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So if the question is ever asked, why doesn't Asia
what's your last name Wilson have a shoe? They obviously
didn't think they could hit that number. Yeah, they just didn't.
That's it. They legit, don't care. You know, it's a business.
We gotta make business and want to make business. Sam,
what do you think?
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Yeah, staying on that, it's a business. I really just
getting into the race stuff. It just tires me out.
It exhausts me, and it kind of bores me. She's
she's not only appealing to basketball fans, She's she's appealing
to a lot of kids. Okay, if you're gonna if
you can, if you can grab the attention of eight, ten, twelve,
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fifteen year olds, twenty year olds, that's the next generation
you're investing in to shoes. So she's got the respect
of a lot of hoopers, and she's got the attention
of a lot of young people who like her as
an athlete, and they're gonna go out and buy her shoes.
She's when you set records like this, whether it's viewing attendance,
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you get maybe the special treatment all right, Taylor Swift.
I'm sorry, but when you're calling it the aras tor
and you've only really been around for like seventeen years,
but look at how successful that was. It's not like
you've been around for thirty years or like, here's the
reunion tour and what's the aras to her? Mean, well,
it's her different eras of her albums, but she's only
(27:37):
been around. She's been around for less than twenty years,
so it's not like it's like a long thirty forty year.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Career, but you can.
Speaker 9 (27:44):
She is so popular that she can do something like
that and people are going to gobble it up. So
this is a business decision by Nike. She deserves it,
and it's gonna pay off for Nike because they're gonna
sell a lot of.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This My issue with Jason with anybody who has said, hey,
these shoe companies are racist or whatever. Sex's like, Look,
do you not think that Adidas is sitting there going like,
how can we make more money? And Plumas sitting there
going how can we make more money? And Reebok is
sitting there going how do we make more money? And
(28:14):
under Armours like, man, we were killing it about twenty
years ago, how do we make more money? So say,
as your shoes are hard. You know, Zion was incredibly popular,
incredibly popular coming out. He made Duke likable, hard to
do right, and he still has shoes in their cool shoes.
(28:37):
But nobody's talking about him. People aren't. It's not there's
not a buzz to them. They're not running off of shelves.
Why because Zion. It's been a weird couple of years
here with him in the NBA. So I would say
that's probably the same thing with Caitlin. To be honest,
is again, they'll do some things to help her out.
They'll make it the team shoe, or they'll link it
to Tamambas or whatever. But at the end of the day,
(29:00):
like if she's just okay five years in, the shoe
will go away that's what happened. Or they'll make it
and we won't be much fanfare if not. I agree.
I mean, I think, look, this is a happening. This
is a thing. You're trying to capitalize on it. This
is a it's like insanity with with more substance, and
(29:20):
you know, get that profit while you can. I just
I'll be interested to see how it, how it plays out,
how it lasts. You know what happens she if she
goes to the Olympics and doesn't play that much because
she's not one of the five best players in the
world yet, right yet.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, that's a hot take right there.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I don't know enough about women's vast well, but I'm
just guessing she's not as good as the pros. That's
why the pros tells me the.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Way of my of my many pushbacks to people that
have a problem with this, or if you're sure a
person of color and you've gone on Twitter over the
last seven days and said, what about the other w
NBA players, this is racist? My main pushback to that
is that you're talking about Nike, who they took a
massive risk when they signed Colin Kaepernick to the deal
(30:04):
they did. When they did, they basically told their market
that if you don't believe in these politics, you could
choose not to buy our shoes. And for me, that's
a major risk for a company like that. And you
could almost say that Nike's taken a risk. Now, I
think having a Kitler and Clark shoe is so polarizing
(30:25):
that maybe you're going to get a segment of the
population not buy your shoes because you chose her. So
there is a risk involved, I think, But I would
never say that they were racist. I think that they
are provocative and polarizing on purpose. And we've been talking
about Nike for a week and it's worked.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's a great point. It's a great point. Yeah. I'm
interested because one thing Caitlin Clark's did a really good
job of is not saying anything interesting.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
It's she's being controversial.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
She's kind of going Derek Jeter on us a little bit,
and I think it's really smart, Like, don't engage in
the transgender politics stuff, don't talk about women's rights. I
wouldn't get into race. The other thing that's really interesting
to me is like people who say they want women's
sports to be pushed forward are often the same people
(31:26):
that are pushing back against this. This is a little
bit of what Jason was getting into. And you know,
it's like, look, if you want more women's shoes, you
know what your best course of action would be, Buy
her shoes, right, buy her shoes. Yeah, I mean that's
really what Sabrina's shoe was. Like, Sabrina's shoe is so
(31:47):
cool that just bought a pair, right, But I mean
you have bought a pair of the nesque shoe.
Speaker 9 (31:51):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
But they're so cool that middle school and high school
boys will order them.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's the ultimate sign up. Yeah, because otherwise you're like
a girl's shoe.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
Nope, look at it like that.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You gotta do the size adjustment, size and a half, right,
it is the size and half, size and a half
to do the size adjustment thing. But dudes will buy
a girls shoe if it's cool enough. And Sabrina's shoe
is cool enough. Make it that cool. And if you're
one of these supporters, you know, it's like, hey, why
don't we have more women with shoes? Okay, well it
starts with the shoe. Buy those shoes. Eventually they'll figure
(32:27):
it out.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That's the midway. That's the midway. Sam, good job there,
not too long winded. We're you know, we're good. We're
thirty second beast bits, thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm teasing you because we can't.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
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Speaker 1 (32:54):
Chug Otle them show Fox Sports Radio, Thomas de Mitro
and Eric Eager joins us uh Sumer Sports podcast. Is
is where you can hear them on a more bi
weekly basis. Bye we bye bye bi weekly, I think
is the basis of course. If you know, Thomas's former
NFL executive in scout ericson analysts, analytics expert, and a
VP and partner over at Summer Sports, which is a
(33:16):
sports analytics analytics company. Thomas, I want to play something
for you. Okay, this is David Fleming. He's a writer
and apparently he talked to a couple of NFL scouts
who aren't going to draft Caleb Williams, but they had
this to say about the potential of drafting Caleb Williams.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
What did this scout tell you? They can report. I
hated it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Hated it.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
He would scare the out of me if I was
working for a team. Raw emotion is great, but Caleb's
thing that was ridiculous to me. That threw up major
red flags. You just lost a game in the middle
of your season, and it was like your third loss
in the Pac twelve, and you went hugging on mommy
and crying in Mommy's arms and it just seems really
(33:58):
freaking weak and nut. And I will tell you he
scares this out of a lot of NFL teams too.
The book on him is he's just kind of a
weird kid. One GM told me it's like if Prince
playing quarterback. Look, I don't know him from Adam, I
do not know him, But to me that looked weak
as really fragile.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Tellas, what do you think of some of the things
that we've seen from Caleb Williams off the football field,
But I.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Don't know about Prince playing quarterback. I mean, this guy
is unbelievably special as a player. To your point, you
know that off the field, this is a big, big
deal when you're talking about picking a quarterback for years
and years to come, right and an organization that needs
to hit this exactly how they need to hit it right.
So these are concerns and we dig into these kind
(34:50):
of things as general managers and as scouts, and we're
we're marked up by our owners on that if you're
bringing in a guy who's going to be your quarterback
for years to come, you better make sure as clean
as possible that kid is. And there are questions out
there aside from his ability on the field, and I
think there are probably teams out there that are happy
(35:13):
that they're not having to deal with that because the
Bears are going to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
On the field. What's your assessment of him on the field.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
I think he is incredibly special. I think his ability
to move around the field, his ability to make throws,
his ability at all levels, his ability to make plays,
his ability to add lib these are all top notch.
He is a rare athlete as well as Jayden Daniels,
by the way, and I think he is special. As
long as you can get the other stuff air quotes
(35:46):
in check, you could build off of this guy and
he can be a difference maker of course.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Okay, Jane Daniels is he If you're Washington, that's who
you take.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
I love Jayden Daniels and I would love for my
old buddy Dan Quinn to take Jadan Daniels.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
What do you like about him?
Speaker 6 (36:02):
Jaan Daniels is another rare athlete. This guy obviously, what
I love watching is seeing his you know, his incremental
increases and ability and as as he was building this
year up to a spot where he was very, very special.
When I hear people say, is that a concern that
this year was his biggest year? I'm thinking no, every
(36:23):
year we want him to get better, and I think
that he's done that and it's very special. Top notch kid,
top notch athlete again, ability to make plays everywhere, makes
the big throws. As we know, he's accurate, and he's
a very solid person that people aren't worried about some
of the other stuff off the field.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
How does he fit?
Speaker 6 (36:46):
You?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Know you have you bring in an offensive coordinator who
plays a specific style? How much? How much does that
play into who you draft? When you sign Cliff Kingsbury,
who's been a quarterback in the league, ben offensive coordinator
obviously been a successfu White coach even in the NFL,
how does that affect who you draft?
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Well?
Speaker 6 (37:10):
I think it's a really important thing. It's a really
important thing that the head coach and the coordinator and
the GM are literally talking the same language, right, Doug.
Because you get someone in there where it we're a
head coach and a GM has a certain vision of
that quarterback and your coordinator isn't in line, that becomes complicated.
My point is, yes, it does depend on the scheme
(37:33):
and the approach with the coordinator. But you better also
have a legitimate quarterback coach that can work along lines
with your coordinator. That is a big, big deal. There
has been too many times where coordinators have come in
with an idea of what they want and then it
causes an issue between the head coach and the coordinator,
which I don't think is going to be the case
(37:53):
in a place of Washington. Of course.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Thomas Abitchevsark guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let me Eric, let me ask you.
Eric Eager also joining us. Of course, he's the he's
the analytics guy. He's the analytics guy. What analytics tell
us about these two quarterbacks and the likelihood of success?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, I think that there's a pretty big variable for
Jaden Daniels that is troublesome in the in the fact
that when he's pressured, he takes a lot of sacks.
Two years ago at elis do thirty percent of the
times he was pressured he was sacked. Last year was
a little bit better at twenty percent, which is right
around where Jason Drake May and Caleb Williams were. Michael
(38:37):
Pennix Bonix under ten percent in that metric, and that's
something that is carried with players like Patrick Mahomes is.
Pressure to sack ratio is about one tenth of one
percent different in the pros at Kansas City than it
was at Texas Tech. So that's one where it gets
a little bit. He's going to have the highest mark
of any first round quarterback that's been taken since people
(38:59):
have been charting this to Tay Sick. And so if
I'm Washington, I have to know that I don't I
don't not draft him because of this, but I have
to think to myself, Okay, what do my other picks
look like? What do my fre agent signings look like?
Because unlike when Chicago took Justin Fields, a player who
had very similar statistics, great accuracy, great production, but a
(39:19):
lot of sacks taken, Chicago didn't build that offensive line
around him until it was too late and his development
was slow. Is Washington who's not all that well in
doubt from a roster standpoint, especially on the offensive line.
How are they going to work around Jadon Daniel's weaknesses
because his strengths are worth drafting.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know if Washington's going to take that they're
not that well in doubt. Granted you're talking about their offense,
but you know that that strikes it as really really personal. Eric,
I don't know, Thomas, if you're you're allowing this, I'm kidding.
Stug gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thomas, my
question is about Brock Bauers. I think that's you know, like, look,
Jade Dale's I know he won the Heisman Trophy. Brock
Bowers probably best player in the SE. He's a dynamic
(40:02):
player at a position which has has long but definitely
recently argued, Hey, we're just as important, if not more so,
than some wide receivers. Where are you on Brock Bauers
And how high you're willing to go to draft a
tight end?
Speaker 6 (40:18):
So back in the day, we would only draft tight
ends in the second and third round, great value. We
realize how important tight ends are to the new quarterback
or to an evolving quarterback high percentage shot. We saw
what Bill Belichick did in New England over those years
for us, for Matt Ryan. Back in the day, it
was bringing in Tony Gonzalez. You see the special ones
(40:40):
out there. This guy, Brock Bauers to me, is a
once in a decade type of player. No question that
Pits in Atlanta is a top notch athlete, But I
believe that a guy like Brock Bowers brings more of
the full package to the table. I would not be
surprised to someone that nine, ten, eleven, twelve would pick
rock back and be happy and do the raise the
(41:03):
roof situation after the pick and not look back, because
this guy can be the guy that makes a difference
for that young and evolving quarterback.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Eric analytics wise, what's the value of a star tight
end as opposed to like a star wide receiver like
a Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah, from a value standpoint, the top end wide receiver.
I mean, we just saw I'm on Rosstain Brown sign
a thirty million dollars apy contract. The top of the
market or tight ends is right around seventeen million. So
that's really the argument against taking a tight end is
if he is for he comes in and produces as
one of the best players in football, it's still thirteen
(41:42):
million less on the marketplace than a wide receiver. Meaning
what's the cost of failure if I fail at wide receiver?
In the draft. I have to go trade a draft
pick and a big contract for a j Brown or
Marquis Brown or something like that this time of year,
Whereas if I fail at tight end, I can just
go in to the free agency market and sign you know,
(42:04):
Thomas's old draft pick Austin Hooper for ten million bucks
and he'll he'll generally speak and get more of the
way to where Brock Bauers is. Then, say a Christian
Kirk at twenty million dollars in free agency will get
towards Jamar Chase or get towards a player like that.
So to me, that's the argument against. And they also
just developed really slowly. David Njoku is the only tight
(42:27):
end in the last you know, ten years or so
to sign a second contract among first round tight ends
with the team that thought that that drafted him. Oftentimes
you're drafting another team's star tight end when you take
them in round one.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Mark Andrews is less than ten Mark Andrews is how
many years Mark Andrew's been doing it. That's the only
other name I can think of that's.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Well, yeah, I mean the anecdote there is funny. It
is Hayden Hurst was the guy who drafted ahead of
Mark Andrews, and so even the Ravens, who drafted a
great tight end, misevaluated.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
No, they got ahead of Lamar Jackson too, right, and
then they trade to Hayton Hurst, who's by the way
back with this old coach and with the Chargers. Now
that's gonna be an interesting, interesting fit.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Men.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I can't wait to watch the draft now that I'm
loaded up. If you like what you're hearing and feel
more educated, I'll just encourage you straight up. Download their podcast.
It's awesome. Heading over to Summer Sports. They Sumer Sports podcast, Tomach, Mitchrof,
Eric Eager Men, enjoy the draft. Thanks for joining us,
Thank you, Doug all right, that's a Thomas and Eric
(43:28):
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(43:51):
Are either of you guys cologne guys?
Speaker 4 (43:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (43:55):
I am not. Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Sam's a Cologne guy.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
But not at work. I don't smell you.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
Okay, thank you for that.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
Sometimes I wear it to work, and it just depends.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
What is your Do you have one colonne or many colonnes.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
I usually only wear a colonne I get as a gift.
This one is uh, man, it's like a do.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
You have many coloones or ony one?
Speaker 9 (44:17):
I have one and it's uh, it's it's lady tested
in terms of the preference.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
So I know, is sex panther That's.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
What I was going to say. The time it works sixty.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Sixty percent of the time. It works percent of the time.
Speaker 9 (44:30):
I believe sex panther makes people ill. This one doesn't
so much.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
It comes with real panther.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yes, I think.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
I think it's called Jimmy Chang man Ice monthly.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Do you approve of Jimmy Chang man ice? No? Okay, no,
So so here's the question. Here's a question. How many sprays?
Oh so when you're hold on, when you when you
have a son who's fifteen, Okay, they all and all
of his buddies, don't ry.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
Jimmy Choo man ice.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Jimmy Choo. That was very important.
Speaker 9 (44:59):
I'm going I don't want people to treat that I'm
glad that you interrupted.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Jim already moved on. But no, that's fine.
Speaker 9 (45:06):
We're talking Colone.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Still, we're good. We got the Jimmy Chew got good. Okay,
So mons year, do you think two sprays?
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Yeah, I do two sprays, and I think for everybody
it's two sprays.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Well, you're uh diminutive, a little vertically challenged, so I
don't know if it's a size of person. I'm actually
a one spray, right, I've been taught right in the
middle of your like solar plex solar plexes, sure, right,
and that like bunnels everything all your body. Whatever I do.
One spray of mine.
Speaker 9 (45:36):
Do you walk into it?
Speaker 5 (45:37):
You know?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's what's the light? Yeah, the really light thing. Like no,
but uh, there there are times when that fits. But
would you you got you start to get to multiple
like when you can smell it yourself. It's a problem
too much, and like my son is like, yeah, that
one I used three, that one he used four, like four.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
The teenage boys are bad at this, bad because they
will just code it. Yeah, it's way too much.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
It's it's better than smelling bad, yes, sort of, yeah,
smelling bad, But you're talking about extreme.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
They're both distracting, they're both DISTRECTO is the worst?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Is the worst?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
It's the worst when you got bo okay, and especially
when you get like young boy Bo where they all
kind of smell like grass, and then they try to overcompensate,
and then when they all have athletes have gas to
eating high protein diets or whatever, you're like, geez, what
the hell you guys all stink? So I agree, but
most kids that use cologne are not stinky kids, so
(46:35):
it's not Actually it's what's better nothing and being clean
or you know, really it's putting on one spray or
maybe two or one and then walking into one, but
you get to three or four sprays and like, dude,
I can smell you come before you get out of
the car.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
What's worse is doing what they do in France and
instead of bathing, Yes, they just use cologne, so it's col.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Shower. Is there your talk about?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (47:01):
I don't know if they do that so much anymore.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
I don't think they did that. Sam, was the last
time you were in Europe? Jase two?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
No, No, I went to I went to Wimbledon once.
I was there for four hours?
Speaker 1 (47:14):
How long ago?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
About eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Okay, uh, Sam, how long since you've been in foreign country?
Speaker 9 (47:21):
I was in London last May, so about eleven months ago.
I do know why though. The French kind of pioneered Cologne.
But that's for maybe the podcast actually saw watched like
a documentary on it is fascinating. So Jason wants to.
Speaker 6 (47:34):
Do you have it?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Do you have an ability to tell it in a
very concise fashion?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yes? Never, he never does.
Speaker 9 (47:40):
What treaty?
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Okay, Treaty of Versailles?
Speaker 9 (47:43):
Was that four or five hundred years ago? Sure? Uh,
these people they did not want to bathe, so they
thought bathing was bad for you, just like a lot
of people did during medieval times or whenever, hundreds of
years ago. So they just coded themselves in cologne perfume
and their body odor was still quite overwhelming, and it
was just combination of two bad things.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
There you go. See that was that was fairly concise.
That took you less than thirty seconds to tell you
use that as a guide to the future. Still on Fox,
I gotta make sure I get the right name.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
We stop.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
He's still going, It's going gone,
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