May 1, 2024 • 36 mins
Doug riffs about Caitlin Clark as he has some questions about her jump shot. Doug reacts a take by Rachel Nichols about Lebron's future. Doug chooses among deserving candidates who Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottl Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottle.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What I got.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
So I got this thing.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
It's just fun and I'm gonna use this pod to
get it get into it. Two different things happened yesterday
and into last night. So let's start with yesterday and
social media and how people. Here's the thing about social
media and somehow, by the way, I'm going to sell
myself out. I've received a blue check and I have
not paid a penny to get a blue check.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Do you guys know this? You have you noticed this?
With my Twitter account?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I did not notice that I noticed these things.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, I gotta notice. I can't remember how long ago,
about a month. It was during basketball season, and it
was like, hey, if you press this, you activate, you
get a blue check because so many people follow you
or you're scene as.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Special or something or other or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I don't know anyway, So I just clicked on it,
and then I thought it didn't go through, and I
thought like, I just didn't want to put my credit
card to be some sort of scam, and I was,
but I didn't pay a penny anyway. So so I'm
looking at this deal. And I noticed that Caitlyn. There's
a Kaitlyn Clark video out there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Kay.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It's her playing one on one, two on two, three
on three, you know, fever practice, and she has some
a dude guarding her. You know, they always have random
guys that practice against college players WNBA players as well. Right,
and she hits a kind of side step step to
left step back jump shot. But when you watch her release,
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she starts the ball on the left side of her
head and then follows through and you know what's called
thumb's it. She uses her left thumb, which plenty of shooters.
Ray Allen in fact will it looks perfect on the
right side, but he would use his thumb in his
shot as well. But you know, most people believe that,
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you know, like you Klay Thompson and Steph Curris, their
shot is more pure. It's one handed, but it's also
over to the right side. The right side allows you,
if you learn his little kid, getting your elbow under
the basketball. Getting your hand behind the ball gives you
more power and also more consistency if your elbows in
the same place. So there's a gentleman named Mike Procorpio. Okay,
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Mike is a longtime video scout for Kobe Bryant. He
was like Kobe Bryant's workout guy. Video guy did everything
for Kobe, and of course he's worked in the NBA
work with players all the time. So I asked him
if he would fix her shot and the responses are amazing.
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Mike says, it's probably something that she did to generate
power in her shot at a young age and never
fixed it. In a perfect world, she would have the
shot line and keep the ball on the right side
of her body. It doesn't impact her shot too much.
The difference with her and Kad KD starts at to
the left, but that ends it right in front of
his head is that he's six ' eleven. Many times
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he can get the shot off because he's mostly shooting
uncontested or marginaling contested shots. She'll be fine, but I
think she can make some small tweaks. As a great shooter.
You listen to JJ Reddick, Dirk Novisky and others, they've
always tweaked their shot. I'm not too concerned, but in
the offseason I'd have her put a ton of one
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hand shooting to straighten the elbow and gradually move it
over right. He goes on on on, But you get
people who are like, I mean crazy, they're crazy. Oh lol,
fix it absolutely not. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Mechanics only matter when the shot doesn't fall. So here's
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the thing. Obviously, a very good free throw shooter, which
usually means you're going to that you're only going to
improve your shot over time. She shoots thirty seven percent
from three. Okay, So the problem with shooting that. There's
a lot of problems with shooting the ball on the
left side of your head. The biggest problem is it's
really hard to dribble to your right and shoot the
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ball off the dribble going to your right when you
shoot the ball from the left.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Side of your head.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And you might say to yourself, wait, why isn't it
hard to shoot from the right side from the right
side if you shoot the ball off the dribble to
going to your left. And the reason is because again,
like if you're you're listening at home, maybe you can
kind of do this when you dribble your left hand,
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you're right handed your shoulders and the ball is always
going to kind of over rotate to the side which
you're turning too over rotate to the side which you're
turning to So even though you start the ball on
the left side going to your left automatically, it rotates
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to the right more and you got your elbow under
the ball more and you can do it, but you
can't you physically, it's almost impossible to dribble to your
right where your shoulder is over rotating, get the ball
to your left, and then shoot it back and finish
on your right the way that she does. And it's
similar to Lonzo Ball, and you're like, no, it's not.
She's a way better shoter.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Than Lonzo Ball in college.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
What was Lonzo Ball's three point percentage in college?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You don't have to look it up.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It's forty two.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
What is Caitlin Clark's thirty seven. Now, you do give
her a little bit of the benefit doubt in terms
of her percentage being lower because every shot she takes
is usually far more contested. But the fact is that
when you get to professional basketball and you're playing against bigger,
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more athletic players, bigger more athletic players, more of your
shots are going to be contested. And the further out
you get from and the further out you get from
from the three point line, the more being. You know,
it's like if you look at like Sam, for me
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to you is fifteen feet right, and so if I'm
a millimeter off going to you at fifteen feet, by
the time it gets to you, based upon speed, trajectory
or whatever, it's going to be several inches off. Now
if you go back thirty feet, now it goes even more.
If it goes to the right, goes more. You understand that.
That's why shooting is like, I think, harder the further
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it goes, because you have to have more power, but
you also have have to have more directional control.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And there's a world there where she struggles shoot the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Some In the WNBA, the line is deeper, the talent
is better, they're more athletic, the preparation is better as well.
And because she's the most well regarded women's player to
come out in years, and I know there's been other
Sabrina Escu and others have come at Kelsey Plumb have
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come out recently, but let's be honest, we didn't pay
attention because she's quickly going to become the face of
the WNBA everybody's going to get ready to play her,
and they're going to force her into places which she doesn't.
She will, and they have the data to back it up.
But you get put, uh, this is what men do.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Like, No, this is what.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Basketball people do. You look at something and you say,
how can we make it better? And it's a I
think it's a great question. She shot really kind of
thirty eight from three eighty six in the line is
probably her best defense against changing it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think there's zero point zero percent chance, zero percent
chance that there isn't some discussion of moving or shot
over to the right, much like it was with Lonzo Ball.
And you can't do it because there's such a quick turnaround,
such a quick turnaround from her college basketball season to
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the WNBA season. But there will be a there will
be at some point some discussion over it. I'm sure
during the season and probably do. But it's just comical
to me. That's the dumbest question of all time. Why
you mean you don't think you should get better? It's
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bizarre to me. Now part of her success shooting that
way shows why she's been successful, because it's what's called
shooting through a shooting through a flaw. Now you got
to shoot so much, you shoot through a flow, you know,
and three point percentage. She shot forty her freshman year,
then thirty three, then thirty eight nine, then thirty eight
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this past year, and great percentages from the free throw line.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
But it's going to be interesting to.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Watch what she does as she steps up in level
of competition and how that affects those percentages and if
she makes that change. But this idea that it's like
we all want to be judged. I get so tired
of the oh, we got to judge the women the
same as the man. Okay, like of a like. Lonzo
Ball was the second pick of the draft. He came
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in shooting on the left side of his head. He
did shoot forty two percent from three in college, and
everybody's like, you gotta change that shit. And the first
year they didn't, the second year they did. Obviously, part
of his his whole story has been his knee, which
he hurt during his first year and by the time
he played his last season and I don't know if
he'll ever play again because he's got an arthritic knee.
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He made himself into a very good three point shooter.
He's not the player of Caitlin Clark. I'm not talking
about the player, it's the style by which he shoots
the basketball and how it's had to evolve during his
time professional bask.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
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Speaker 3 (10:17):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now say
every day.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
This time The Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio App.
We play for your portion of previous show on Fox
Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's Rachel Nichols talk about
Lebron James future.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I would need a fainting couch if Lebron is not
playing to do in LA next year. I get all
the posturing. It's smart of him to do. He needs
some leverage with this team, but I just don't see
him going anywhere. There's nowhere that feels like, man, that's
such a natural fit. He's just got to go team
up with this person that he would actually pick up
his household and move. He loves being in Los Angeles
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so much that when he came out here for his
free agency meeting with Magic Johnson. Magic describe I was
barely having to say a word that they just started
talking about how it was going to work. That there
was no convincing. It's not like Kawhi Leonard where he
said to the Clippers, you got to bring Paul George
here otherwise I won't come. Lebron was signed up. This
is the team he wanted to play for. This is
where he wanted to be, and I don't see him,
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at this stage in his career, turning forty years old,
jumping to yet another team in another place where his
whole family would have to relocate. His businesses are here.
He shoots commercials and TV shows, and you know through
the season here He's able to do all that stuff
in another place, but it would be a lot harder.
I think he stays here. I think he wants the
money that he can get here in LA I think
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he likes the leverage that he has And I expect him, though,
to make the Lakers wait and to make it a
little bit uncomfortable because they have not listened to him
and Clutch Sports the way they used to.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
The last part was the most interesting part. Right, They're
not listening to clutch sports much the way that they
used to and this kind of leverage thing. Then there
is a story that hey, now he wants to play
two more years and that Bronnie is not a hard
and fast I'm telling you, I could be wrong. I
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think Bronni goes to Dukane. I think Bronni goes to Ducane.
Lebron stays with the Lakers. A year from now, they
draft Bronnie where it's or they they give him a
two way or whatever. I think it works for all parties,
all parties. And oh yeah, by the way, part of
that leverage that he has is, hey, here's the deal.
(12:29):
I'm not going to make you draft Bronni this year.
That makes total sense, because look, I don't think they're
terribly close, but I do think that you want to
take one more bite at the apple and then the
following year you make it a retirement sort of party
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Now, the question for lebron.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Is is will he be willing to take less money
so that they can put more talent around him. You know,
there's a lot of talk about the plan being to
bring in Trey Young to play with him, and as
much as Trey Jung is a bit of a disaster defensively,
and Lebron can't really guard anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Can you build a team.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Around those three and with Anthony Davis protecting the rim
and then probably bring in some sort of rim protecting
backup center to go with them, or starting center to
go with them, whatever, Like, there's a plan there that
could take place. Lebron can use the Remember, leverage isn't
just to get him to draft Brownie. Leverage is to
get all of the things lined out the way that
he wants going to be fascinated in LA. Here's Dan
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Patrick talking about the end of regulation in the Sixers
nixt game.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
If you make your free throws, the other stuff won't matter.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
If you're going to foul on a three, then really
foul on a three and.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Don't let them get the shot out.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Then the other three foul before he takes the three.
I'm watching and I go no, no, no, no no,
there's no reason to be crowding Maxi when he's shooting
a three. No, no reason. Three doesn't kill you. And
Maxie comes and he gets to half court, embiid sets
a moving screen. Maxie then pull up logo bang. I
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can't let him shoot the three, I foul him as
soon as he gets even remotely close to half court.
Before the playoffs, there had been only three games in
the last twenty five years that had seen a team
recover from a deficit of at least five points inside
the final thirty seconds and win the game. We've had
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two in the same series in the last ten days.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Look, in terms of that stat, okay, I think here's
here's the biggest part of it, Okay, in terms of
the comebacks is the use of the three point shot.
Is I mean, you're talking about team shooting on average
in the plus thirty three is a game, and some
shooting over forty threes in a game. So it's not
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that big a deal to throw one or two in,
especially when you've already shot forty something. I also think
that one of the reasons there's there are more comebacks
is we are using true point guards less and less
in the NBA, less and less in the NBA, and
so there aren't guys that have broken and these coaches,
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many of them have never coached anywhere except the NBA,
and pressing and running and jumping and trapping and trying
to come back and scrapping like that stuff is stuff
that you learn at a lower level, and generally they
say you can't do in the NBA because the game's
too long, the players are too skilled, too big, they
can see over the top, and you just wear players
out and they don't want to do it. You just
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you can't fucking press the whole year, or the whole game,
or even part of the game sometimes in the NBA.
Rick Patino tried to do it to limited success in
the NBA, and that was before all these three point shoots.
But because you've done away with a lot of point guards,
this is a little bit what happens. And then the
last part is like I don't know how many players
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have played under that level of pressure. There's so many
games that are played where the end doesn't you feel
like it doesn't matter, you know, the outcome doesn't matter.
And this goes back even to AU basketball. You know,
like I have I'll coach eight games this weekend, two
different teams, and one is in a tournament, one is
in like what's called a circuit. But like if you
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lose a game, there's another game. You lose a game,
there's another game, and that's how the NBA is so
we're kind of we're not really refining the skill of
learning how to close and win games.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That makes sense. Yet this is Colin Cowherd talking about
the Sixers.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
The problem for Philadelphia winning last night, and it is
a problem.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
It's just a game.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Is this going to make them It shouldn't, but is
it going to make them have false hope? This series
is a go either ses if Embiid was healthy and
Beid's been healthy for a lot of the years, and
they can't win a second playoff series. And if not
for heroic great shots last night, this series would be
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a gentleman's sweep. And that's the problem with Philadelphia. Maxi
being amazing coming back six down twenty eight seconds left.
It's making Philadelphia think, yeah, this is a go either
way series.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
No, it's not nick to the better team.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
They've been better coached, they've been more reliable, they've been tougher,
they've gotten the big rebounds late. Last night, they didn't
get the big shots late. So sometimes in the playoffs
what happens is the delusion kicks in thinking if we
didn't just have blank, blank and blank. You have to
be honest with yourself in this league, a lot of
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teams aren't honest with themselves. Philadelphia's got issues. I love MAXI,
I'd keep him. I'd strongly consider moving Embeid.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Huh Mamma, excuse me, Yeah, I don't Yeah, you'd know,
I mean, excuse me, You're gonna move Joel Embiid. Okay, Look,
what Colin's getting at is a real thing. And it's
one of the things that Jokic overcame, which is the
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perception that you can't win with traditional centers. And obviously
when you build a team around him, you you know,
you gotta build it smartly. But that's a wow, you're
gonna he was Wasn't he the MVP last year? I
want to don't get like, would you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Be open to moving him?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, I'd be open to moving him. I'd be opened
to all different options. But what I what's what am
I getting in return?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I mean, I don't know, dude, Like, really, you're gonna
get rid of Jeel Embiid? MAXI was incredible last night. Incredible.
So please don't let anybody take that, you know, take
it to mean otherwise.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
In their other win, Joel Embiid had fifty.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Fifty five zero fifty points. He averaged thirty five a
game in the regular season, So yeah, it would just
depend on what's coming back in return. But Joel Embiid
might be the most talented player in the NBA. He's
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that good because he's they can't pass like Yokic, but
he's a good passer and he likes to pass. But
he's a much more diverse scoring weapon than Jokic's. And
I think he's a much better defender than Yokic's. Defends
the rim way better than Yokic does. I mean, like,
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I think Jokic is a better player, but only by
a very marginal amount. And you know, like I that one.
I don't you're gonna move Joel Embiid?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
The fuck? Why? That's what the Fox is?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
What does say? Be sure to catch live editions of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug, Mike Trout is annoying,
and I don't blame him. I think of the same
take about Kawhi Leonard. He's annoying too because he's not available.
Mike Trout is annoying because he's not available. I think
both of the annoyance comes because they're both amazing athletes
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that they're given sports and we are. We can't see
them a lot because they're out. Mike Trout's going to
have surgery. Might not be season ending, but it's pretty
much it for him and the Angel season, not that
they had much to root for anyways. An annoying part
about this is that I went on a group chat
with a bunch of my Orange County bodies I grew
up with mostly made of Angel fan so I give
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him a lot of shit all the time. And on Friday,
I said, after Mike Trout became the first player to
get to ten home runs in the major leagues, I said,
he's at an all time high in value right now.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
He told me the same that we all know he's.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Going to be injured, we all know trade him today,
and then six days later he gets injured for the season.
So Mike Trout is annoying. It's not his fault, but
it's annoying, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I think here's a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I've been told Mike Trout's contract is untradeable because he
has a back issue with WI. Anyone who tradesform is
going to do a physical and knows that back issue
is forever an issue.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But it stands to discussion. I don't know if that's
the right.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It should be up for discussion, up for discussion that
Mike Trout is merely a symptom of the issue, which
is a curse on the Angels. Curse on the Angels.
And you're like, wait a second. The Angels won a
title in two thousand. They did, I will say, without
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naming names, I believe that's one of them. It's two
thousand and two one of the most juice teams in
the history of the sport. Gren Remember that was when
the sport was completely juiced. Okay, they beat Barry Bonds.
And you're like, and this has always been my thing, Like,
I don't know if you know this, but I called
the Lance Armstrong thing without any knowledge before the Land
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Armstrong thing became a Lance Armstrong thing. Right, My thought was,
either he's the greatest athlete ever because in a sport
full of dopers, he beat them clean, which is incredible,
or he was just the best of the dopers, which
is what turned out to be. Go back and look
at the Angels roster, not all of them, but a
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lot of them, and look at their team picture. You'll
notice One, they're all jacked. Two they also none of
them flaunted it the way that other guys flaunted it.
They were really really baggy pants. But those dudes were jacked.
And then you look at their career numbers, and then
look at what happened after two thousand and three with
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a bunch of those Angels. So here's my working philosophy
or theory. Somehow the Angels are cursed. Maybe it's because
of two, because they skated clean of any of the
steroid talk when everybody else was hung on the cross.
Maybe it's something. Maybe the stadium is on a Native
American burial plot. I'm offering this as a possibility.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Right, you move the headstones, but you left the bodies.
That's one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So, but but again, like go back through it. Nick
Aidenhart No. Nine was killed. Do you guys remember Nick Aidenhart?
I believe wasn't that his his like? Was it his
pitching debut? Was his first year pitching, Nick Aidenhart was
the number one prospect in baseball. The Angels had the
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best farm system in baseball. He pitches a six six
shutout innings and then tragically is struck in a by
a drunk driver not far from the stadium. Right, we also, yes,
had the Josh Hamilton deal. Right, Josh Hamilton comes in
from Texas, one of the great turnaround stories in the
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history of man, who became a drug addict and then
got himself clean and became an MVP with the Texas Rangers.
Falls off the wagon. They also had Mo Vaughn. And
then you fast forward to ye know, Albert pool Holes
thing never worked. Maybe it's because of pool holes. Maybe
pool Holes cursed the Angels. Maybe it's the steroids scandal
they escaped. Maybe it was something with geon autry. Maybe
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it was buried on Native American or Mexican. You know,
this used to be Mexico where in Anaheim Wher is built.
Maybe it's in a Mexican burial ground. I don't know, but
I would actually offer up that there's a possibility this
franchise is cursed because because it's not for lack of trying.
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It's been like fifteen GMS, ten managers. They've spent money,
just not spent it wisely, and something always goes wrong,
always goes wrong.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of amusing you bring up back
issues the main reason why Mike Tryut can't be traded
or back issues. I got back issues too, Penthouse and
a Playboy. You guys have any back issues of publications? Okay? Anyways, Uh,
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Bucks and Pacers last night very frustrating and this is
why I don't bet on sports. The Pacers were a
four point favorite against the Bucks. Oh my god, I
think Doug, in your pick of the day, you chose
the Pacers, and a part of your explanation was the
Bucks don't have their top two stars and there only
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they're only getting four points, which is strange and my
cynical mind. I thought in that moment when you said that,
that just means that the wise guys know something. Why
is this only a four point game? Like? That's part
of the touting bullshit with this gambling thing is when
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people give the reason why they want to bet on something,
all that reasoning is baked into the spread. Everything that
that guy just said is already considered by the odds
Maker and the betting bubblic and yesterday that four point
that four point discrepancy seemed a little fishy. But this
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is also the reason why I could never bet on sports, Like,
who the hell had the Bucks winning by? Was it
twenty something? Not only did they not need the four points,
they won by twenty something. That's just fucking annoying.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's annoying.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
It's one of those you start to understand why it's
a good idea. The NBA doesn't have a one game
playoff outside of the play in, and even the play
in with exception of one team you get two shot,
you get two bytes at the apple. Because nothing about
that made sense. Nothing about it made sense. I mean,
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the Bucks were so much better than the Pacers without
their two superstar players that it was truly, truly remarkable. Yes,
that's why you don't bet on sports. Look, my college
coach Eddie set in the late grade eighty Sutton would
say it best men, you don't think they build all
those new buildings in Vegas because the house is losing money,
do you?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
In case in point last night, So.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
AJ Brown's been in this segment many times. I'm not
a real fan of AJ Brown, for many reasons, but
he signed a deal I think that makes him the
top compensated receiver in the NFL right now with the Eagles.
This an extension kind of a head scratcher to a
lot of people. I've read that they gave him that
much money and that extension considering the fact that he's
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pretty much been a cancer in every locker room he's
been in. He did say this though, about something that
he has evolved on.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
You know, at the time, I feel like that was right,
But looking back on it, you know, that's something I
learned from. I just try to, like I need well,
I'm learning to let people just have their opinions and
you know, just keep it pushing. I'm human, you know,
that's something I can't control. I can't control and somebody's
talks about me or come up with these things, you know,
so nothing for me to do. You know, Like I said,
(29:14):
there's something that I learned from, and you know, I'm
moving forward.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
So AJ Brown's evolved on this. I guess he's been
known to call into the Philly radio station when he's
heard negative things said about him. In general, that's a
good thing to have that you don't allow outside opinions
to impact you. But I think in this case, I
think the outside opinions were correct. Like he's been a cancer,
and I think any criticism that he's received, whether it
(29:39):
be from fans or local radio personalities, has been warranted.
I would venture to say that why would an Eagles
team that just went to the Super Bowl have to
limp into the playoffs last year and get embarrassed in
the first round of their playoff series or a playoff game?
I would say A. J. Brown is a big part
of that. Seemed like he was the source of discontent
(30:02):
in that entire locker room.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Doug, I would think he is like, look, this is
a it's like the fake accountability thing. You know, my
bad they triggered me. That's on me, right, instead of
saying my bad, I've screwed up time and again.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Exactly, Yeah, what else?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
AJ Brown? Mike Trout being injured, and the uh Bucks
Pacers game being the reason you should never bet on
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Hmmm, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Bucks Pacers being the reason you should never bet on
the NBA because there's no logical reason that the Bucks
in an elimination game when they haven't played well must
the entire series outside of Damian Lillard having thirty five
in the first half of Game one, without Lillard, without Giannis,
without seemingly Hope should not just play that well, but
they absolutely blew out. I mean, it's the opposite out
(31:00):
the Pacers betting on sports?
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Am I dying?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Because we can?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Let's see, Davonte Adams was on a podcast. If I
was responsible, I would get the name of the podcast,
but I don't have that information. He went on a
podcast and said this about Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
At the time when I was there, I hadn't necessarily
seen enough to say this is for sure what I
should do. But in hindsight, like we talked about, I mean,
a kid is a fucking bather man. I'm so happy
for him, and you know, I haven't really had a
chance to truly sit down and talk with him, but
I just I want to tell him at some point, like,
you know, I definitely don't regret changing, but I'm super
proud of what you've done. And you know, if there
(31:50):
was a way I could pull you over here and
you know, and drag you with me like that, you
know that would have been cool too, because you know,
obviously we saw what he did at the end of
the year, but I don't regret what I did. But
at the same time, it's definitely you look back on
and you like, damn, that woke out the ball.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Could he be the next one?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Could he be? I mean I think he is. I
think he's showing that and he's starting to come into
his own. I mean you can see the way he's
talking in front of the media and everything. He's just
like a whole different person than what I saw when
I was there, and that comes with experience.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Can I just say something real quick? Everybody's full of shit?
Okay you're everybody's completely full of shit. And he's not
the only one. Colin in November said he can't play.
You go back to August and uh, what's the guy's name?
Why forgetting? He does the serious ex salm and he
(32:40):
has a CBS Sports Adam Shine Shine, yells at.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The camera he can play.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Wait wait, so DeVante Adams knew he could play the
whole time, and now everybody else is just catching up
to it. None of this makes any sense, right, you know.
So here's the one thing that I want to be
cautious of with Jordan Love. I think it's an amazing story.
And Jason, I would I know you weren't with us
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at the time. Right when you say weren't with us,
it does sound like somebody who was dead whatever. But like,
I know you weren't with us at the time, But
when the draft pick happened, I said, this completely makes
sense and that everybody's falling for all this bullshit when
he's two years away.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
If you, if you actually did.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
My issue is not with people's opinions that were based
upon facts. My issue is people's opinions based upon reading
other people's opinions.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And then it's.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Still the reality of like, we have no idea until
a guy plays an entire season. And even then, and
here's the caution part about Jordan Love, let's wait until
we see him do it a second season. Lots of
guy because he had ups and he had downs, and
by all accounts appears to be better. And yes, he
has gotten his confidence, has kind of gotten his swagger
because of some of his success. But how does he
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adjust when people adjust to him. That's a great question.
And I don't know the answer to that, do you.
I don't, But I do think, like all of these
people going like, I knew all.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Along, you're all full of shit. You're all full of shit.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Now the credit should go not just to Brian Gunnekin
and whoever scouted him and the development there, and to Jordan,
who obviously put a ton of time in, but also
they set very very low expectations. They did not overdo
the expectations. Some of it in the contract extension. Some
(34:43):
of it was his play, okay, but a lot of it.
You didn't hear any pushback out of Green Bay. You're wrong,
this guy's a start.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Nothing. They just basically said, let's see how he does.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
So the story or the the win here is in
an organization kind of understanding, not taking the bait. How
many times we heard people go like, you know, the
Packers don't draft first first round wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
We heard that too, How does how's that wide receiving corp? Look? Now?
Looks fucking good?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Jerry Sloan had a saying once and went like this,
if you listen to the fans, soon you'll be sitting
next to them, or soon you become one of them.
And nothing is more apparent than what's happened in Green Bay.
Let's get to our pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you, baby.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
It's time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
All right, kiddies, pick of the day. My NBA pick
was so shitty last night. But I mean, I think
a lot. I mean, it doesn't. Excuse it, it doesn't.
I'm not gonna excuse it. I'm not gonna go sit.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Everybody moved the pic. That's dumb. It was. It was
a shit burger. My bad, My bad.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
But I do like this one. Clippers playing at home
against Alice. They're a three point dog.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Give me the.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Clippers straight up.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Straight up against the Maps, straight up against the Mapps.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What I got.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
So I got this thing.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
It's just fun and I'm gonna use this pod to
get it get into it. Two different things happened yesterday
and into last night. So let's start with yesterday and
social media and how people. Here's the thing about social
media and somehow, by the way, I'm going to sell
myself out. I've received a blue check and I have
not paid a penny to get a blue check.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Do you guys know this? You have you noticed this?
With my Twitter account?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I did not notice that I noticed these things.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, I gotta notice. I can't remember how long ago,
about a month. It was during basketball season, and it
was like, hey, if you press this, you activate, you
get a blue check because so many people follow you
or you're scene as.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Special or something or other or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I don't know anyway, So I just clicked on it,
and then I thought it didn't go through, and I
thought like, I just didn't want to put my credit
card to be some sort of scam, and I was,
but I didn't pay a penny anyway. So so I'm
looking at this deal. And I noticed that Caitlyn. There's
a Kaitlyn Clark video out there.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Kay.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
It's her playing one on one, two on two, three
on three, you know, fever practice, and she has some
a dude guarding her. You know, they always have random
guys that practice against college players WNBA players as well. Right,
and she hits a kind of side step step to
left step back jump shot. But when you watch her release,
(01:54):
she starts the ball on the left side of her
head and then follows through and you know what's called
thumb's it. She uses her left thumb, which plenty of shooters.
Ray Allen in fact will it looks perfect on the
right side, but he would use his thumb in his
shot as well. But you know, most people believe that,
(02:15):
you know, like you Klay Thompson and Steph Curris, their
shot is more pure. It's one handed, but it's also
over to the right side. The right side allows you,
if you learn his little kid, getting your elbow under
the basketball. Getting your hand behind the ball gives you
more power and also more consistency if your elbows in
the same place. So there's a gentleman named Mike Procorpio. Okay,
(02:38):
Mike is a longtime video scout for Kobe Bryant. He
was like Kobe Bryant's workout guy. Video guy did everything
for Kobe, and of course he's worked in the NBA
work with players all the time. So I asked him
if he would fix her shot and the responses are amazing.
(03:00):
Mike says, it's probably something that she did to generate
power in her shot at a young age and never
fixed it. In a perfect world, she would have the
shot line and keep the ball on the right side
of her body. It doesn't impact her shot too much.
The difference with her and Kad KD starts at to
the left, but that ends it right in front of
his head is that he's six ' eleven. Many times
(03:22):
he can get the shot off because he's mostly shooting
uncontested or marginaling contested shots. She'll be fine, but I
think she can make some small tweaks. As a great shooter.
You listen to JJ Reddick, Dirk Novisky and others, they've
always tweaked their shot. I'm not too concerned, but in
the offseason I'd have her put a ton of one
(03:42):
hand shooting to straighten the elbow and gradually move it
over right. He goes on on on, But you get
people who are like, I mean crazy, they're crazy. Oh lol,
fix it absolutely not. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Mechanics only matter when the shot doesn't fall. So here's
(04:09):
the thing. Obviously, a very good free throw shooter, which
usually means you're going to that you're only going to
improve your shot over time. She shoots thirty seven percent
from three. Okay, So the problem with shooting that. There's
a lot of problems with shooting the ball on the
left side of your head. The biggest problem is it's
really hard to dribble to your right and shoot the
(04:32):
ball off the dribble going to your right when you
shoot the ball from the left.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Side of your head.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And you might say to yourself, wait, why isn't it
hard to shoot from the right side from the right
side if you shoot the ball off the dribble to
going to your left. And the reason is because again,
like if you're you're listening at home, maybe you can
kind of do this when you dribble your left hand,
(04:59):
you're right handed your shoulders and the ball is always
going to kind of over rotate to the side which
you're turning too over rotate to the side which you're
turning to So even though you start the ball on
the left side going to your left automatically, it rotates
(05:19):
to the right more and you got your elbow under
the ball more and you can do it, but you
can't you physically, it's almost impossible to dribble to your
right where your shoulder is over rotating, get the ball
to your left, and then shoot it back and finish
on your right the way that she does. And it's
similar to Lonzo Ball, and you're like, no, it's not.
She's a way better shoter.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Than Lonzo Ball in college.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
What was Lonzo Ball's three point percentage in college?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
You don't have to look it up.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It's forty two.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
What is Caitlin Clark's thirty seven. Now, you do give
her a little bit of the benefit doubt in terms
of her percentage being lower because every shot she takes
is usually far more contested. But the fact is that
when you get to professional basketball and you're playing against bigger,
(06:12):
more athletic players, bigger more athletic players, more of your
shots are going to be contested. And the further out
you get from and the further out you get from
from the three point line, the more being. You know,
it's like if you look at like Sam, for me
(06:32):
to you is fifteen feet right, and so if I'm
a millimeter off going to you at fifteen feet, by
the time it gets to you, based upon speed, trajectory
or whatever, it's going to be several inches off. Now
if you go back thirty feet, now it goes even more.
If it goes to the right, goes more. You understand that.
That's why shooting is like, I think, harder the further
(06:55):
it goes, because you have to have more power, but
you also have have to have more directional control.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And there's a world there where she struggles shoot the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Some In the WNBA, the line is deeper, the talent
is better, they're more athletic, the preparation is better as well.
And because she's the most well regarded women's player to
come out in years, and I know there's been other
Sabrina Escu and others have come at Kelsey Plumb have
(07:25):
come out recently, but let's be honest, we didn't pay
attention because she's quickly going to become the face of
the WNBA everybody's going to get ready to play her,
and they're going to force her into places which she doesn't.
She will, and they have the data to back it up.
But you get put, uh, this is what men do.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Like, No, this is what.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Basketball people do. You look at something and you say,
how can we make it better? And it's a I
think it's a great question. She shot really kind of
thirty eight from three eighty six in the line is
probably her best defense against changing it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I think there's zero point zero percent chance, zero percent
chance that there isn't some discussion of moving or shot
over to the right, much like it was with Lonzo Ball.
And you can't do it because there's such a quick turnaround,
such a quick turnaround from her college basketball season to
(08:26):
the WNBA season. But there will be a there will
be at some point some discussion over it. I'm sure
during the season and probably do. But it's just comical
to me. That's the dumbest question of all time. Why
you mean you don't think you should get better? It's
(08:47):
bizarre to me. Now part of her success shooting that
way shows why she's been successful, because it's what's called
shooting through a shooting through a flaw. Now you got
to shoot so much, you shoot through a flow, you know,
and three point percentage. She shot forty her freshman year,
then thirty three, then thirty eight nine, then thirty eight
(09:08):
this past year, and great percentages from the free throw line.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
But it's going to be interesting to.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Watch what she does as she steps up in level
of competition and how that affects those percentages and if
she makes that change. But this idea that it's like
we all want to be judged. I get so tired
of the oh, we got to judge the women the
same as the man. Okay, like of a like. Lonzo
Ball was the second pick of the draft. He came
(09:34):
in shooting on the left side of his head. He
did shoot forty two percent from three in college, and
everybody's like, you gotta change that shit. And the first
year they didn't, the second year they did. Obviously, part
of his his whole story has been his knee, which
he hurt during his first year and by the time
he played his last season and I don't know if
he'll ever play again because he's got an arthritic knee.
(09:55):
He made himself into a very good three point shooter.
He's not the player of Caitlin Clark. I'm not talking
about the player, it's the style by which he shoots
the basketball and how it's had to evolve during his
time professional bask.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
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We play for your portion of previous show on Fox
Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's Rachel Nichols talk about
Lebron James future.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I would need a fainting couch if Lebron is not
playing to do in LA next year. I get all
the posturing. It's smart of him to do. He needs
some leverage with this team, but I just don't see
him going anywhere. There's nowhere that feels like, man, that's
such a natural fit. He's just got to go team
up with this person that he would actually pick up
his household and move. He loves being in Los Angeles
(10:53):
so much that when he came out here for his
free agency meeting with Magic Johnson. Magic describe I was
barely having to say a word that they just started
talking about how it was going to work. That there
was no convincing. It's not like Kawhi Leonard where he
said to the Clippers, you got to bring Paul George
here otherwise I won't come. Lebron was signed up. This
is the team he wanted to play for. This is
where he wanted to be, and I don't see him,
(11:15):
at this stage in his career, turning forty years old,
jumping to yet another team in another place where his
whole family would have to relocate. His businesses are here.
He shoots commercials and TV shows, and you know through
the season here He's able to do all that stuff
in another place, but it would be a lot harder.
I think he stays here. I think he wants the
money that he can get here in LA I think
(11:36):
he likes the leverage that he has And I expect him, though,
to make the Lakers wait and to make it a
little bit uncomfortable because they have not listened to him
and Clutch Sports the way they used to.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
The last part was the most interesting part. Right, They're
not listening to clutch sports much the way that they
used to and this kind of leverage thing. Then there
is a story that hey, now he wants to play
two more years and that Bronnie is not a hard
and fast I'm telling you, I could be wrong. I
(12:09):
think Bronni goes to Dukane. I think Bronni goes to Ducane.
Lebron stays with the Lakers. A year from now, they
draft Bronnie where it's or they they give him a
two way or whatever. I think it works for all parties,
all parties. And oh yeah, by the way, part of
that leverage that he has is, hey, here's the deal.
(12:29):
I'm not going to make you draft Bronni this year.
That makes total sense, because look, I don't think they're
terribly close, but I do think that you want to
take one more bite at the apple and then the
following year you make it a retirement sort of party
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Now, the question for lebron.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Is is will he be willing to take less money
so that they can put more talent around him. You know,
there's a lot of talk about the plan being to
bring in Trey Young to play with him, and as
much as Trey Jung is a bit of a disaster defensively,
and Lebron can't really guard anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Can you build a team.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Around those three and with Anthony Davis protecting the rim
and then probably bring in some sort of rim protecting
backup center to go with them, or starting center to
go with them, whatever, Like, there's a plan there that
could take place. Lebron can use the Remember, leverage isn't
just to get him to draft Brownie. Leverage is to
get all of the things lined out the way that
he wants going to be fascinated in LA. Here's Dan
(13:31):
Patrick talking about the end of regulation in the Sixers
nixt game.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
If you make your free throws, the other stuff won't matter.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
If you're going to foul on a three, then really
foul on a three and.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Don't let them get the shot out.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Then the other three foul before he takes the three.
I'm watching and I go no, no, no, no no,
there's no reason to be crowding Maxi when he's shooting
a three. No, no reason. Three doesn't kill you. And
Maxie comes and he gets to half court, embiid sets
a moving screen. Maxie then pull up logo bang. I
(14:07):
can't let him shoot the three, I foul him as
soon as he gets even remotely close to half court.
Before the playoffs, there had been only three games in
the last twenty five years that had seen a team
recover from a deficit of at least five points inside
the final thirty seconds and win the game. We've had
(14:32):
two in the same series in the last ten days.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Look, in terms of that stat, okay, I think here's
here's the biggest part of it, Okay, in terms of
the comebacks is the use of the three point shot.
Is I mean, you're talking about team shooting on average
in the plus thirty three is a game, and some
shooting over forty threes in a game. So it's not
(14:59):
that big a deal to throw one or two in,
especially when you've already shot forty something. I also think
that one of the reasons there's there are more comebacks
is we are using true point guards less and less
in the NBA, less and less in the NBA, and
so there aren't guys that have broken and these coaches,
(15:21):
many of them have never coached anywhere except the NBA,
and pressing and running and jumping and trapping and trying
to come back and scrapping like that stuff is stuff
that you learn at a lower level, and generally they
say you can't do in the NBA because the game's
too long, the players are too skilled, too big, they
can see over the top, and you just wear players
out and they don't want to do it. You just
(15:42):
you can't fucking press the whole year, or the whole game,
or even part of the game sometimes in the NBA.
Rick Patino tried to do it to limited success in
the NBA, and that was before all these three point shoots.
But because you've done away with a lot of point guards,
this is a little bit what happens. And then the
last part is like I don't know how many players
(16:04):
have played under that level of pressure. There's so many
games that are played where the end doesn't you feel
like it doesn't matter, you know, the outcome doesn't matter.
And this goes back even to AU basketball. You know,
like I have I'll coach eight games this weekend, two
different teams, and one is in a tournament, one is
in like what's called a circuit. But like if you
(16:27):
lose a game, there's another game. You lose a game,
there's another game, and that's how the NBA is so
we're kind of we're not really refining the skill of
learning how to close and win games.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
That makes sense. Yet this is Colin Cowherd talking about
the Sixers.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
The problem for Philadelphia winning last night, and it is
a problem.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
It's just a game.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Is this going to make them It shouldn't, but is
it going to make them have false hope? This series
is a go either ses if Embiid was healthy and
Beid's been healthy for a lot of the years, and
they can't win a second playoff series. And if not
for heroic great shots last night, this series would be
(17:13):
a gentleman's sweep. And that's the problem with Philadelphia. Maxi
being amazing coming back six down twenty eight seconds left.
It's making Philadelphia think, yeah, this is a go either
way series.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
No, it's not nick to the better team.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
They've been better coached, they've been more reliable, they've been tougher,
they've gotten the big rebounds late. Last night, they didn't
get the big shots late. So sometimes in the playoffs
what happens is the delusion kicks in thinking if we
didn't just have blank, blank and blank. You have to
be honest with yourself in this league, a lot of
(17:50):
teams aren't honest with themselves. Philadelphia's got issues. I love MAXI,
I'd keep him. I'd strongly consider moving Embeid.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Huh Mamma, excuse me, Yeah, I don't Yeah, you'd know,
I mean, excuse me, You're gonna move Joel Embiid. Okay, Look,
what Colin's getting at is a real thing. And it's
one of the things that Jokic overcame, which is the
(18:19):
perception that you can't win with traditional centers. And obviously
when you build a team around him, you you know,
you gotta build it smartly. But that's a wow, you're
gonna he was Wasn't he the MVP last year? I
want to don't get like, would you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Be open to moving him?
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, I'd be open to moving him. I'd be opened
to all different options. But what I what's what am
I getting in return?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I mean, I don't know, dude, Like, really, you're gonna
get rid of Jeel Embiid? MAXI was incredible last night. Incredible.
So please don't let anybody take that, you know, take
it to mean otherwise.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
In their other win, Joel Embiid had fifty.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Fifty five zero fifty points. He averaged thirty five a
game in the regular season, So yeah, it would just
depend on what's coming back in return. But Joel Embiid
might be the most talented player in the NBA. He's
(19:33):
that good because he's they can't pass like Yokic, but
he's a good passer and he likes to pass. But
he's a much more diverse scoring weapon than Jokic's. And
I think he's a much better defender than Yokic's. Defends
the rim way better than Yokic does. I mean, like,
(19:55):
I think Jokic is a better player, but only by
a very marginal amount. And you know, like I that one.
I don't you're gonna move Joel Embiid?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
The fuck? Why? That's what the Fox is?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
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Speaker 3 (20:28):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug, Mike Trout is annoying,
and I don't blame him. I think of the same
take about Kawhi Leonard. He's annoying too because he's not available.
Mike Trout is annoying because he's not available. I think
both of the annoyance comes because they're both amazing athletes
(20:57):
that they're given sports and we are. We can't see
them a lot because they're out. Mike Trout's going to
have surgery. Might not be season ending, but it's pretty
much it for him and the Angel season, not that
they had much to root for anyways. An annoying part
about this is that I went on a group chat
with a bunch of my Orange County bodies I grew
up with mostly made of Angel fan so I give
(21:20):
him a lot of shit all the time. And on Friday,
I said, after Mike Trout became the first player to
get to ten home runs in the major leagues, I said,
he's at an all time high in value right now.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
He told me the same that we all know he's.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Going to be injured, we all know trade him today,
and then six days later he gets injured for the season.
So Mike Trout is annoying. It's not his fault, but
it's annoying, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I think here's a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I've been told Mike Trout's contract is untradeable because he
has a back issue with WI. Anyone who tradesform is
going to do a physical and knows that back issue
is forever an issue.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But it stands to discussion. I don't know if that's
the right.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It should be up for discussion, up for discussion that
Mike Trout is merely a symptom of the issue, which
is a curse on the Angels. Curse on the Angels.
And you're like, wait a second. The Angels won a
title in two thousand. They did, I will say, without
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naming names, I believe that's one of them. It's two
thousand and two one of the most juice teams in
the history of the sport. Gren Remember that was when
the sport was completely juiced. Okay, they beat Barry Bonds.
And you're like, and this has always been my thing, Like,
I don't know if you know this, but I called
the Lance Armstrong thing without any knowledge before the Land
(23:00):
Armstrong thing became a Lance Armstrong thing. Right, My thought was,
either he's the greatest athlete ever because in a sport
full of dopers, he beat them clean, which is incredible,
or he was just the best of the dopers, which
is what turned out to be. Go back and look
at the Angels roster, not all of them, but a
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lot of them, and look at their team picture. You'll
notice One, they're all jacked. Two they also none of
them flaunted it the way that other guys flaunted it.
They were really really baggy pants. But those dudes were jacked.
And then you look at their career numbers, and then
look at what happened after two thousand and three with
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a bunch of those Angels. So here's my working philosophy
or theory. Somehow the Angels are cursed. Maybe it's because
of two, because they skated clean of any of the
steroid talk when everybody else was hung on the cross.
Maybe it's something. Maybe the stadium is on a Native
American burial plot. I'm offering this as a possibility.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Right, you move the headstones, but you left the bodies.
That's one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So, but but again, like go back through it. Nick
Aidenhart No. Nine was killed. Do you guys remember Nick Aidenhart?
I believe wasn't that his his like? Was it his
pitching debut? Was his first year pitching, Nick Aidenhart was
the number one prospect in baseball. The Angels had the
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best farm system in baseball. He pitches a six six
shutout innings and then tragically is struck in a by
a drunk driver not far from the stadium. Right, we also, yes,
had the Josh Hamilton deal. Right, Josh Hamilton comes in
from Texas, one of the great turnaround stories in the
(24:58):
history of man, who became a drug addict and then
got himself clean and became an MVP with the Texas Rangers.
Falls off the wagon. They also had Mo Vaughn. And
then you fast forward to ye know, Albert pool Holes
thing never worked. Maybe it's because of pool holes. Maybe
pool Holes cursed the Angels. Maybe it's the steroids scandal
they escaped. Maybe it was something with geon autry. Maybe
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it was buried on Native American or Mexican. You know,
this used to be Mexico where in Anaheim Wher is built.
Maybe it's in a Mexican burial ground. I don't know, but
I would actually offer up that there's a possibility this
franchise is cursed because because it's not for lack of trying.
(25:42):
It's been like fifteen GMS, ten managers. They've spent money,
just not spent it wisely, and something always goes wrong,
always goes wrong.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of amusing you bring up back
issues the main reason why Mike Tryut can't be traded
or back issues. I got back issues too, Penthouse and
a Playboy. You guys have any back issues of publications? Okay? Anyways, Uh,
(26:16):
Bucks and Pacers last night very frustrating and this is
why I don't bet on sports. The Pacers were a
four point favorite against the Bucks. Oh my god, I
think Doug, in your pick of the day, you chose
the Pacers, and a part of your explanation was the
Bucks don't have their top two stars and there only
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they're only getting four points, which is strange and my
cynical mind. I thought in that moment when you said that,
that just means that the wise guys know something. Why
is this only a four point game? Like? That's part
of the touting bullshit with this gambling thing is when
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people give the reason why they want to bet on something,
all that reasoning is baked into the spread. Everything that
that guy just said is already considered by the odds
Maker and the betting bubblic and yesterday that four point
that four point discrepancy seemed a little fishy. But this
(27:23):
is also the reason why I could never bet on sports, Like,
who the hell had the Bucks winning by? Was it
twenty something? Not only did they not need the four points,
they won by twenty something. That's just fucking annoying.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's annoying.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
It's one of those you start to understand why it's
a good idea. The NBA doesn't have a one game
playoff outside of the play in, and even the play
in with exception of one team you get two shot,
you get two bytes at the apple. Because nothing about
that made sense. Nothing about it made sense. I mean,
(28:00):
the Bucks were so much better than the Pacers without
their two superstar players that it was truly, truly remarkable. Yes,
that's why you don't bet on sports. Look, my college
coach Eddie set in the late grade eighty Sutton would
say it best men, you don't think they build all
those new buildings in Vegas because the house is losing money,
do you?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
In case in point last night, So.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
AJ Brown's been in this segment many times. I'm not
a real fan of AJ Brown, for many reasons, but
he signed a deal I think that makes him the
top compensated receiver in the NFL right now with the Eagles.
This an extension kind of a head scratcher to a
lot of people. I've read that they gave him that
much money and that extension considering the fact that he's
(28:43):
pretty much been a cancer in every locker room he's
been in. He did say this though, about something that
he has evolved on.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
You know, at the time, I feel like that was right,
But looking back on it, you know, that's something I
learned from. I just try to, like I need well,
I'm learning to let people just have their opinions and
you know, just keep it pushing. I'm human, you know,
that's something I can't control. I can't control and somebody's
talks about me or come up with these things, you know,
so nothing for me to do. You know, Like I said,
(29:14):
there's something that I learned from, and you know, I'm
moving forward.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
So AJ Brown's evolved on this. I guess he's been
known to call into the Philly radio station when he's
heard negative things said about him. In general, that's a
good thing to have that you don't allow outside opinions
to impact you. But I think in this case, I
think the outside opinions were correct. Like he's been a cancer,
and I think any criticism that he's received, whether it
(29:39):
be from fans or local radio personalities, has been warranted.
I would venture to say that why would an Eagles
team that just went to the Super Bowl have to
limp into the playoffs last year and get embarrassed in
the first round of their playoff series or a playoff game?
I would say A. J. Brown is a big part
of that. Seemed like he was the source of discontent
(30:02):
in that entire locker room.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Doug, I would think he is like, look, this is
a it's like the fake accountability thing. You know, my
bad they triggered me. That's on me, right, instead of
saying my bad, I've screwed up time and again.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Exactly, Yeah, what else?
Speaker 5 (30:26):
AJ Brown? Mike Trout being injured, and the uh Bucks
Pacers game being the reason you should never bet on
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Hmmm, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Bucks Pacers being the reason you should never bet on
the NBA because there's no logical reason that the Bucks
in an elimination game when they haven't played well must
the entire series outside of Damian Lillard having thirty five
in the first half of Game one, without Lillard, without Giannis,
without seemingly Hope should not just play that well, but
they absolutely blew out. I mean, it's the opposite out
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the Pacers betting on sports?
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Am I dying?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Because we can?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Let's see, Davonte Adams was on a podcast. If I
was responsible, I would get the name of the podcast,
but I don't have that information. He went on a
podcast and said this about Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
At the time when I was there, I hadn't necessarily
seen enough to say this is for sure what I
should do. But in hindsight, like we talked about, I mean,
a kid is a fucking bather man. I'm so happy
for him, and you know, I haven't really had a
chance to truly sit down and talk with him, but
I just I want to tell him at some point, like,
you know, I definitely don't regret changing, but I'm super
proud of what you've done. And you know, if there
(31:50):
was a way I could pull you over here and
you know, and drag you with me like that, you
know that would have been cool too, because you know,
obviously we saw what he did at the end of
the year, but I don't regret what I did. But
at the same time, it's definitely you look back on
and you like, damn, that woke out the ball.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Could he be the next one?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Could he be? I mean I think he is. I
think he's showing that and he's starting to come into
his own. I mean you can see the way he's
talking in front of the media and everything. He's just
like a whole different person than what I saw when
I was there, and that comes with experience.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Can I just say something real quick? Everybody's full of shit?
Okay you're everybody's completely full of shit. And he's not
the only one. Colin in November said he can't play.
You go back to August and uh, what's the guy's name?
Why forgetting? He does the serious ex salm and he
(32:40):
has a CBS Sports Adam Shine Shine, yells at.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
The camera he can play.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Wait wait, so DeVante Adams knew he could play the
whole time, and now everybody else is just catching up
to it. None of this makes any sense, right, you know.
So here's the one thing that I want to be
cautious of with Jordan Love. I think it's an amazing story.
And Jason, I would I know you weren't with us
(33:09):
at the time. Right when you say weren't with us,
it does sound like somebody who was dead whatever. But like,
I know you weren't with us at the time, But
when the draft pick happened, I said, this completely makes
sense and that everybody's falling for all this bullshit when
he's two years away.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
If you, if you actually did.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
My issue is not with people's opinions that were based
upon facts. My issue is people's opinions based upon reading
other people's opinions.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And then it's.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Still the reality of like, we have no idea until
a guy plays an entire season. And even then, and
here's the caution part about Jordan Love, let's wait until
we see him do it a second season. Lots of
guy because he had ups and he had downs, and
by all accounts appears to be better. And yes, he
has gotten his confidence, has kind of gotten his swagger
because of some of his success. But how does he
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adjust when people adjust to him. That's a great question.
And I don't know the answer to that, do you.
I don't, But I do think, like all of these
people going like, I knew all.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Along, you're all full of shit. You're all full of shit.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Now the credit should go not just to Brian Gunnekin
and whoever scouted him and the development there, and to Jordan,
who obviously put a ton of time in, but also
they set very very low expectations. They did not overdo
the expectations. Some of it in the contract extension. Some
(34:43):
of it was his play, okay, but a lot of it.
You didn't hear any pushback out of Green Bay. You're wrong,
this guy's a start.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Nothing. They just basically said, let's see how he does.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
So the story or the the win here is in
an organization kind of understanding, not taking the bait. How
many times we heard people go like, you know, the
Packers don't draft first first round wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
We heard that too, How does how's that wide receiving corp? Look? Now?
Looks fucking good?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Jerry Sloan had a saying once and went like this,
if you listen to the fans, soon you'll be sitting
next to them, or soon you become one of them.
And nothing is more apparent than what's happened in Green Bay.
Let's get to our pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you, baby.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
It's time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
All right, kiddies, pick of the day. My NBA pick
was so shitty last night. But I mean, I think
a lot. I mean, it doesn't. Excuse it, it doesn't.
I'm not gonna excuse it. I'm not gonna go sit.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Everybody moved the pic. That's dumb. It was. It was
a shit burger. My bad, My bad.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
But I do like this one. Clippers playing at home
against Alice. They're a three point dog.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Give me the.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Clippers straight up.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Straight up against the Maps, straight up against the Mapps.
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