May 1, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug breaks down how exactly the Knicks lost a game they had well in hand in the final minute of regulation against the Sixers only to lose game 5. Doug has a hypothesis about the Angels as they just lost Mike Trout for a good portion of this season. Doug welcomes acclaimed horse trainer Graham Motion onto the show to talk Kentucky Derby and some of the new safety measures the sport has implemented. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
Guys were awesome. I had another tire problem today. Listen
to my brother, so we got I'll settle all taken
care of. Pretty cool stuff. What a night last night
in the Association. I should mention stop me if you
heard this before, But Mike Trout is hurt. Mike Trott
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is injured. You like again a little early in the
year for Mike Trout to be injured. Usually it's right
about when it gets important. Then he gets hurt. And
I love Mike Trout. It's just you can kind of
set your watch to it, can't you sitting May already.
I'm just trying to trigger Jason Stewart, who's had a
tough day.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right, It's amazing how time flies.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, you know, it's May. It's May. It's it's May.
Last night in the NBA, what could have been a
series clinching win right there in Madison Square Garden as
the Philadelphia seventy six Ers scored seven points in the
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last twenty five seconds of regulation. Tyrese Maxy finished with
forty six and the Sixers came from behind in regulation
to tie it and then came from behind in overtime
to win it. End up getting a one to twelve
one to zhero six win to extend their season. They
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trailed by six with twenty eight seconds to go, twenty
eight seconds to go crazy, crazy stuff. But you know,
it's interesting in baseball. In baseball baseball, yes, at the
end of games, when closers blow a big lead, almost
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always it begins with basically two ways. One is an
error or usually you walk the opening batter of the
first batter of an inning, right closer comes in, comes
out of the pen. They got all the they got
all the music and the flares and the fireworks going.
He comes in and he's staring down, he's throwing gas.
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It's like one hundred and fifteen miles an hour, and
ball four take your base, and all of a sudden,
everybody's everybody's sphincters get tight. And then a series of
events sometimes an error thing to go bump in the night.
Maybe a bad call leads to the comeback, go back
and look and everyone knows a comeback or two in
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baseball that started that way in basketball. And we talked
about this going back to last week. When team get wins, hey,
when they pull off wins oftentimes and comeback fashion oftentimes
or most times, maybe a missed free throw triggers it, right,
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a miss free throw triggers it's it's just fascinating to
see how how they mirror it. And then the other
issue is do you foul when you're up three points
late in a game? And I don't know by now,
if you're not in the you should foul under easually
under seven seconds you should foil. Then I can't really
help you. Now, the MAXI three wasn't with seven or
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less less? I think did it go in with five
to go? So it was kind of on the boardline.
But Tom Thibodau was It looked like he was yelling
to foul to Douce McBride, who obviously did not hear him.
And the rest, as they say, is is history. Here's
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Tom Thibodau trying to explain the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Had to lose a ball game. We had a lead,
we got to play tougher with the lead. We filed
in a situation that we didn't want to file in,
and then the end, Maxual makes a big shot, so
you know we got to do better.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Gotta do better. Maxi made seven of those big shots.
The lead he's talking about was they had that six
point lead out of a timeout. Maxi shot fakes, hits
a three and gets fouled by Mitchell Robinson. Now here's
where I would Tom Thibodeau was right to yell to foul.
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Where he's wrong is when Josh Hart missed the first
free throw, first of two, and Josh Hart had eighteen
nine rebounds, four assists. Couldn't have been any better. He's
got for shooting the ball, But that first miss free throw,
if you watch the game, it barely hit rim. He
was tight, and for a guy who's won national championship
and played almost a decade in the NBA, that's really
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interesting for him to be that tight in that spot.
You close out the series. If you make both three throws,
it's a four point game. It becomes not impossible, but
seemingly virtually impossible. Just like we said, now, you could
point out that the actual run began on the shot
fake four point play MAXI makes the three. That would
be fair, but kind of go through the sequence of events.
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You come out of a timeout, you're up six points.
The only way you lose is if they cut the
possessions from three to two. Right, the only way you
lose is if you cut the possessions from three to two,
because there's just not the time on the clock. If
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they score a dead layup five five seconds, you still
they have to have two more possessions and then you're
likely gonna get fouled and you can make it a
three possession game. The only way you lose is the
way in which the Knicks lost the game. You cannot
not only give up a three point shot, but you
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can't foul on a three point shot. So as much
as I'd like to believe or like to say that
it started on Josh Hart's miss free throw, it really
started on out of the inbounds play. And here's the
issue with Tibbs and his substitution. You shouldn't have a
big guy on the floor at that time, because if
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they want to throw it inside and score an easy two,
you know, and you just put your hands up and
they score and easy two. Okay, the scoring easy too.
But by bringing a big guy in, he's going to
be late on any switch. You run the risk of
fouling a three point shot. And then the same thing
happened when they missed the first free throw. When they
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missed the first free throw. Now it becomes pot potentially
a three point game or a two point game when
the Sixers get the ball back right, so you have
a sub ready to go. If it's a three point game,
sub in whatever guard you want, so you switch every
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screen instead. What did they do? They had Mitchell Robinson
still in the game, and though he gets closer to
the screen, he's playing in the drop and Tyrese Maxey
gets a wide open step in three. Now, granted, you
could sit here and tell me all you want that, Hey,
Deuce McBride should have fouled in the backcourt, that's fine.
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He should have fouled and he didn't, Okay, But whether
he should foul or shouldn't foul, that shoudn't affect the
fact that if you're up three points, you want to
be able to switch every screen and be right there
with the switch, and yes, you could do it with
Mitchell Robinson, that's fine. He could also be way up
there high. Or you could just take your big guy
out switch everything. Again, they lay the ball in, you
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don't tie the game. So here's what it comes down to.
You choke a free throw, you fouled on a three
point shot, you didn't sub in the right personnel, and
then you still had a chance to win the game
with the ball, with your best player, and you don't
have a time out to call right to advance the
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basketball game. I think they actually had a time out
to advance the basketball and try and get one last
quality look. Instead, Jalen burns and gets a shot blocked.
And while we like to think that it was so
devastating way to lose, should we point out the Knicks
had to lead. I think they were up five or
six in overtime before losing by six in overtime, so
it wasn't like they hung their hats and once they
lost the game. Once the game was tied in regulation
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went to overtime, they shut it down for the winner.
That's not what happened. But what a tough way to
lose a basketball game, huh. Tough way to lose a game.
Oh yeah, yoey. And it's one of those things where
if you live long enough, it's gonna come back your way.
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It just happened with the seventy six ers. Seventy six
ers choked away a game they well should have won
playing at home. Now the Knicks do the exact same thing.
Here's the last part about it, which is interesting. You
have a team in the league's biggest market and you
have an MVP in a Joel Embiid, and I'd be
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fascinated to see what the numbers were on the broadcast,
because as much as it was a great watch, it
was a really good basketball game, a really good basketball game.
And the Garden is as electric as any sporting venue
anywhere in the world last night not an exception. So
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you have a big name head coach in Tom Thibodeau,
you have everyone knows Jalen Brunson, and you have a
superstar in terms of accomplishments and probably name recognition in
Joel embid It's not like Philadelphia is a small market,
but the fact that it's not Lebron, it's not Durant,
it's not Steph I wonder if people watched what a game,
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what a finish to a game, and it brings up
the Okay, now, all of a sudden, the pressure ships
to Philadelphia, I mean, excuse me, to New York now,
like you kind of got a win in Philly. You
don't want this thing to go seven?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You don't want to be a team we know how
we rake over the coals. Teams that have a three
to one lead and then lose that three to one lead.
Don't believe me. I give you Doc Rivers. Speaking of
Doc Rivers, how about that performance last night? No, I
did not see it coming. Matter of fact, on the
ind The Bonus podcast, I said to everybody, like, if
you're gonna bet, like this seems like a kind of easy.
One Buck's an elimination game, four point dog at home
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without Giannis, without Lillard, and the only time they had
won a game in the series was Lillard having thirty
five points in the first half of Game one. It
seemed too easy. And what's the old expression? And eighth
the time, something's too good to be true.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It is.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So an amazing, an amazing back to back doubleheader of
games last night in the NBA, and I love ja
SU's investment in this thing. You were emotionally invested in
that deal? Oh, yeah, emotionally invested, Jasu.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Or were you financially invested?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
No, I didn't. Uh, I didn't bet on the game.
But I did see many tweets out there that showed
how many times Maxi traveled on one of his big
threes on the.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's on the foul three he shot, faked and switched
pimt feet and stepped under. It was travel travel.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It's one of my more I'm using things to watch.
I don't know if I tapped into an algorithm on
x but there is a site dedicated to exposing all
the traveling in the NBA. And then the guy will
go on to a basketball corps and mimic it and
he'll do like the six steps and then he'll show
the exact same thing that the NBA player does. It's
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really funny.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I've seen that as well. I've seen that one
as well. Boy, we got a good show for it.
By the way, here's six Ers head coach Nick Nurse
talking about Joel Embiid's performance.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
He can do those things, just not didn't seem like
that was going to appear tonight, right. He obviously was
was not feeling great. It was a tough game for him,
you know, very difficult, but he found he found a
way to do that stuff. I mean, he can move sweet,
he can block shouts, he can strip the ball. We've
all seen him do that when he's when he's super
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engaged in trying to get a staff and it was
it was good that he finally came up and was
able to dig down.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And do that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I like, that's that's pretty awesome. Actually, I think people
are miss assessing a Meade was a mess in terms
of turning the ball over. He had nine turnovers seven
to nineteen from flour. But he's a plus flour team.
The team was way better with them on the floor,
and he made some big free throws late. But I
love that, Like, can you play well or play you know,
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can you win when you're not playing well? And that's
the case with Joel Embi. Obviously Tyree Max he carried
him offensively. He was spectacular forty six nine and five. Wow,
were you gonna say they're sam?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Obviously Bobby Portis was a big reason why the Bucks won. Sure,
I can't remember who he did this gesture against but
he did the too small, nice little basket. But when
you're scoring that much and it's one two pointer, do
you think that the two small celebrations is sort of
ridiculous in that moment?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Has it reached dab status?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's like smacking the floor? I mean, the dab is
more like a personal celebration of yourself. You know, you're
like a touch score, a touchdown my dab?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
What is the two smallest?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's taunting another guy? Okay, same with you know, just
slapping the floor. Isn't even that much of a taunt.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, well, this is the impetus of slapping the floor. Yeah,
was for Duke and it was their international. That was
their sign for like we got let's dig in, let's
get it stop.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's like a pump you up thing. But the too
small thing is more of like a personal you know
if what was it? Wagner got called for pointing at
a guy, Like, why wouldn't they call a foul for
the too small?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's just generally accepted. I guess I don't know how
my body portus is a plus thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He was unbelievable. Bev pat Bev was really good last
night too. Uh, Malik Beasley had was it four threes?
I mean that game was and Indiana was up eight
at the end of the first quarter, and I was like,
I'm gonna flip around, see what else is on come back?
And now of a sudden the Bucks had to lead
at the half, and then the third quarter was just
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an avalanche.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, it was a fork in the road. H car
went one decision and one one direction.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yes, completely, yes completely.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
So May first rite of passage? Now is it?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
What? So?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
May you know why I played this?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Right? No?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So you know the meme it's gonna be me, But
he's really saying it's gonna be May. It's May first.
So it's like on April thirtieth or May first. People
always put out this gift or meme of in sync
saying it's gonna be May. That's the whole that's why
I'm playing. I would never play in sync unless it
was this. For this reason.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I haven't heard seen one person I followed do that?
What Jase?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Do you have you?
Speaker 7 (15:40):
This is all news to me. I'm interested in. Okay,
I love, I love, have you no? But uh, I
got older than me. Something's coming up in three days.
That'll be May the fourth be.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Worth you the course sink. May the fourth be with you.
But you guys have never heard it's gonna be may
no no, All right, well jeez, I mean it's on there, man,
it's online, and it's all on the interwebs. It's been
a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Deep, deep deep in the in the dark deep.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
My my timeline is filled with clashes at UCLA.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
With the Columbia Midnight clashes, the.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Columbia chick that was really funny, where she's like pizza
and can you guys get us some food here? We're protesting.
We need humanitarian we need humanitarian aids, like huh, Like,
maybe you should have brought some mrs up there, you know,
if you're gonna be camped out in there. But they're
only in there for what a few hours. They destroyed
one of the most historic Ivy League buildings on Columbia's campus. Yeah,
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and by the way, but they're not there. I mean,
I don't know. If you saw the ratio at Texas,
it was like two to one that were non students
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Outside agitators like, look, this is.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Just all nonsense. It's all nonsense. Okay, all nonsense.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Let's not get too deep.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
No, we can get too deep. And it's really really cool.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It really quick.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We don't have to get in the fescue. Okay. One
side is our sworn enemy. The other side is our ally.
One side attacked, murdered, rate pillaged. The other side has
defended itself. This is not hard math. It's not hard,
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and it's very very simple. If you want to support
our sworn there are sworn enemy, fine, go there and
do it. And oh yeah, by the way, you are
allowed to protest peacefully. But it's like people think they
like they have a working It's like the Bible, right,
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they're like quote something from the Bible, like yeah, I
got free speech, Like not how it works. I have
the right to protest, you do have to have permits.
And you're so stupid that you're like, hey, can you
guys bring us some sandwiches here, we're hungry. And oh yeah,
by the way, then by destroying private property.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
They're on a meal plan, Doug, then a meal plan.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Then you could be arrested.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
They're on a meal plan. They owe him.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So if you want to support all out the sworn
enemy to the United States, you may get on a
plane and go and support them or find a way,
but you are living in the United States, they are
sworn enemy. Really not that hard, really that hard. So anyway,
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Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. But yeah,
there's I mean, like, look, I was watching sports last
night and I did a good job, like putting down
the phone at like ten, and I was out early
as soon as that second game was over.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Uh, but the news was Mike Trout has a tor
meniscus and he's gonna need now when you have a torminiscus.
As we've come to learn anybody who's gone through the
knees stuff, there's like two types of miniscal injury. One
is the very minor one. They go in a little
edge of it, phrase off, they cut it off. It's
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like six weeks in your back. The other one is
the more invasive one where they go and they check
to stiff it at, stitch it up and that takes
a longer time to recover. Do we know which one
it is, Jay Stu? Or they don't know until they
I think they don't. Well which which surgery is it?
Age back in six weeks or back in a couple
of months sort of thing. The amazing part about it
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is that Jay Stu I sweared, I swear in all
things holy. Two days ago, we're watching highlights and I
was telling him a Jackson Holiday story of going to
the Angel game. And he's like, you know that, I've
told all my buddies. What'd you tell all your buddies
at that moment in time.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Well, he was the first player to hit ten home
runs in the majors. Uh, he's an amazing player. But
I told all my buddies on you this is when
you trade Mike Track. He is at the highest value
he could possibly be because we all know that he's
going to get injured. Trade him now, and what happens.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He got hurt. He got hurt. I am a forever
bitter Angel fan, and I'll tell you why. Two reasons.
One In nineteen eighty seven, when Donny Moore gave up
the home run. Back then, Anaheim Stadium was enclosed and
it had seventy five thousand seats and they're playing the
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Red Sox in the it was the Alcs, right, because
the Red Sox went on and took on the Mets.
And that was the Buckner play in the World Series.
In Game six of the World Series, and I had
as a little kid at the time, I was eleven
years old, I had mailed in something to the ticket
lottery and gotten a seat in centerfield for Game one
of the World Series and Donny Moore gives at the
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home run. Fast forward to two thousand and two and
the taking on the Giants in the World Series. Dusty
Baker is somebody I've met. He's a wonderful man. But
Mandity Butcher that series for the for the Giants. Thank
you to my Angels. But it's one of those deals
where you you don't want to be that guy, but
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you kind of are that. I I'm wondering if I
know why the Angels are cursed. Okay, two thousand and
two is what what era of baseball is that I love?
Right in the middle of there, you go, steroid era,
right and I always found it amazing. And I know
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a couple of those guys, and I'm not going to
out any one of them, but there definitely were some
guys that had career years, right career years. You're like, man,
what happened in oath? What happened from three on? You know?
I mean, goh, and look, look, just look. There's one
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who is a one of my favorite players to watch play,
favorite players to watch play. And he had an incredible
season that year. And part of it is the incredible
spikes in a season that is that's baseball, right, guys,
I have a but precipitous drop off. Once we got
to three isla what happened in two thousand and three
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and beyond? They started to you know, the uh so,
is it possible? Is it possible? Again? This is hypotheses,
not theory. Okay, because since that moment, let's look at like,
let's look at all the litany of things that have
gone wrong for the Angels. They had the number one
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pitching prospect in baseball. He pitches well and then is
hit by a drunk driver. Right, they have one of
their best left handed pitchers dies and he was getting
drugs from a Clubhouse Clubby. I think Mo Vaughn was
after that, Josh Hamilton was after that, Albert Pooles's disastrous contract,
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and everything was after that, the fact that got show
Heyo Tani, but couldn't win anything or got to the
playoffs with I think they had one of the best
records in baseball, maybe the best record in baseball with
Mike Trout three games, lost them all because of pitching,
couldn't hit to the Kansas City Royals all after that
been in the playoffs one time. I'm just wondering aloud
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if because the Angels dodged the proverbial steroid bullet that
Barry Bonds caught that Martin McGuire caught, that Sami Sosa
caught that so many other caught, is that the reason
there cursed today? Judges, what do you guys think? Jason Stewart,
you're a hypotheses. Hypotheses theory is something that is proven hypothesis,
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something that you kind of put some stuff together and
you think.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Okay, never knew that one, but I liked the hypothesis.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What about a conjecture? What's the difference?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Troy Glausse, that's the guy you keep referring to not
naming by name. No, no, why do you keep it
his name secret?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Why are you keeping the guys.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Because I'm not gonna knowingly Again, I've I've been sued
for for defamation before.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But Troy Gloss was on the list, right he got
he got napped.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Troy Gloss got napped. This guy did not get napp
is not Troy Gloss. My point is that that team
had multiple guys that had big numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Remember of the Barry Bonds home run in the in
the O two World Series off Troy Percival. Yes, that's
the thing that people go to. That home run is like,
this is Barry Bond's at peak royd Rooydage. Yes, I'm
guessing Perceval was also at peak Roydage. I'm just guessing, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
By the way, conjecture is an opinion that has no
basis effects, so.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's well it's inference formed without proof of So it
sounds like a theory or a hypothesis. No hypothesis closer
to it than a theory.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think. In I think what happens is conjectures. You're
you're just spitting stuff out because you think maybe I
don't know hypothesis is you got kind of some sort
of like okay.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
This maybe, but it hasn't been based.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
What hasn't been hasn't been proven as a as.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's going to be tested in science, right, theory is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
When it's been tested and proven to be well.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Then a conspiracy theory though isn't proven correct theory part
of it a conspiracy is when you're all together and
you're you know, there's people conspiring. So it's like the
theory is like an idea, isn't it? Isn't that in
the ballpark? Bring over semantics argument.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Over the exact definition the supposition of a system of
ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general
principles of independent uh, independent of the thing that to
be explained.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Thank you, Miriam Webster. By the way, I'm going to
send you guys to give off. It's going to be
May just so you know.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It all right. I think this stuff is all interesting.
It's good to know what words mean totally. We misuse
words all the time, all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I will go back and check myself. Yes, because I'm
like an idiot. I feel like an idiots I'm not much.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yes, you are an idiot. Stug Gottleeb show here on
Fox Sports Radio and Graham Motion joins us. Acclaimed thoroughbred
horse trainer, a long time proponent of reform and increased
safety measures in the sport of horse racing. He joins
us as we are creeping closer and closer to the
to the Kentucky Derby. Graham, if you could, I appreciate
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you taking time with us. What do you think the
current state of the sport of horse racing is.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Look, we've definitely had a rough year, Doug, starting last
year with the Kentucky Derby, and you know, we had
a lot of problems derby week for really unknown reasons.
But I think it's been a huge wake up call
for everyone in the industry and I think we were
already in the pros of trying to make the sport better. PISA,
who's come into play. The Horse Racing Integrity Safety Act
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has just come into play a year ago actually after
the Derby, and this is all part of the process
of what we hope is going to make the sports
safer and a cleaner sport.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What's the biggest challenge that HAISA.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Has, Well, it's national rules and this is something we've
never had. Everything up until now has always been state
by state, and this is something that we have, really
as horsemen, we've been begging for. You know, I stable
in Maryland and on any given weekend, I could run
in four or five different states which have different rules.
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Imagine if that was the way it worked in the NFL,
where every time you went to a different stadium you
were under different different rules or jurisdiction. So that's the
biggest that's probably the biggest problem for it, but that's
also ultimately what's going to be best for our sports.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, what about this weekend and the derby? How does
how is this field shaping up?
Speaker 8 (28:09):
You know, it's a great field. There's a couple of
outstanding horses. Fierceness is probably going to be the morning
line favorite. He's extremely impressive in the morning. He won
the Florida Derby very impressively. And then there's also a
hot to Sierra Sierra Leone from the Chad Brown stable,
who won the Bluegras at Keenland, just up the road
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from Churchill, and he's very impressive in his last Those
two horses stand.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Out to me. I'm interested, you know, obviously you know,
the the mainstream sports fan in America loves the Derby
and then you know, you'll you'll only you'll only get
to the Belmont, if there's a triple Crown possibility, right,
And I just wonder if Justify winning the Triple Crown
in eighteen, if that took some of the fervor away
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from it. I understand there's issues off the track, but
on the track, how do you believe the kind of
mainstream fan has reacted since we saw Justifying eighteen?
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't see it that way.
I mean, I think this was something that we definitely
needed in our sport. There's been a lot of criticism
in the sport, within the sport saying the Triple Crown
is just too hard. So it's not supposed to be easy, right,
But we needed a winner. And I want to tell you,
coming to Pimlico the second leg of the Triple Crown
with the Kentucky Derby winner, which I was lucky enough
to do with Animal Kingdom, there is no feeling like that.
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That is a that is a crazy feeling when everybody
there is basically rooting to you, Right, So I think
I think there's always the interest. I think that's what
perfony interest is that it is difficult, and it runs
over a short space of time, and it keeps people's
interests if you like it does.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What's that pressure feel like of being at Pimlico as
the winner?
Speaker 8 (29:54):
I tell you what, when you wake up the morning
after winning the derby, you're no longer talking about winning
the derby. Everybody wants to talk about the pretmus and
that was That was a shock to me because it
wasn't really something I'd had time to think about or
I didn't expect. So you really have to move on
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Graham Motion and a claim throw bred horse trainer, long
time proponent of reform and increase safety measures in the
sport of horse racing. Last thing in regards to the reform,
how confident are you that we're going to see work.
We're seeing a clean race with clean horses, and some
of the nefarious stuff is truly gone because of Isiser.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
You know.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
We Heiser has a much tighter grip on the squad
than the scrutiny that these horses go under now before
they are allowed out on the track is very It's
way more than we've ever had before. You know, these
horses are followed all week leading up to the Derby
and everybody just wants to put on a good, clean show.
And it's an exciting race. You know, anytime you have
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twenty horses on the track at the same time, that's
that's a big challenge. That you've the world's best jockeys
and the best the best three year olds right now
racing together, and that means for a very exciting race.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Awesome stuff, Graham, Thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy
the Derby. Remember Throwbred Racing as a new and independent regulator.
We've been talking about HAISA. That's implementing comprehensive reforms and
the sport is combining hands on care with cutting edge
technology to help keep the athletes safe. Learn more visit
Safety Runs First dot com. That's Safety Runs First dot com. Graham,
enjoy the Twin Spires. I know it's been redone. It's beautiful.
It should be a great day of racing. Thanks being
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our guest.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Pleasures all ours. That's Graham motion claimed Thoroughbred Strainers.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How many hosts at Fox Sports Radio can identify this
as Nights of Sedonia? How many?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Nicely done? Probably only you? You know why that is
because you're a Muse fan.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Is this end of the song kicks ass?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Both. I I do like MWS, but I.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know, my daughter is uh, she's a Muse fan.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
She a huge Muse fan. Mod rock. We went to
their concert in Anaheim, Yeah, I think at the what's
it called now Honda Center used to be the Yes
last great show. Mus is a great show. You don't
have to be a mod rock or a metal fan
to like them. I've been around for a while now,
long time. I didn't even know they've been around. But
this is one of her first songs that she that
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made her fall in love with the bass. Anyway, Grace
and her bass going to Berkeley School of Music in Boston.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's awesome. Really, that's l ee at the end.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Berkeley e E Muse. So I've been to Muse, Primus, Maiden, Tools,
her current favorite, Maynard and Tool. They were awesome. I
was a four and a half hour drive to Fresno
to go see them each way? Who else we could
see at least in a bunch of goo goo dolls.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
That was my first ever concert I ever saw. It
was a goods yea.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Boy named Google. Let's let's get to the press a game.
Let's get to a game.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
What up? Isa think? What's your game today?
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Getting clear? Get your vows?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Ready for better or worse?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
So last night, among the pageantry of the Sixers great
come from behind, when the reactions of the likes of
John Stewart, Tracy Morgan, Courtside and Madison Square gardens.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So on that note, Tracy Morgan, I think gave somebody
the finger, didn't he He did?
Speaker 7 (33:47):
On that note better or worse? Celebrity fans of the
New York Knicks or celebrity fans for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
You know what I find funny? Do you guys remember
it was it Charles Oakley got kicked out of the
next game and he was there last night?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Has anybody noticed that all those people that said they
would never go back and sell the team, now they're good.
They're all there. You're all a bunch of phonies. You're
all a bunch of phonies.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Was it Spike Lee who went through the wrong door
and was like accosted by security or something that was
like a couple of years ago. Yeah, so this is
my special VP. Maybe I think he got wrong though
in a way.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Sure, I'm like, dudes mess mess things up. They don't know, Like,
do you know who I am? Like? No, I don't
know you are I.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Should recognize Spike Lee. It's been around a minute.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, but when was the last time Spike Lee put
out a movie that.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
He's been But he's been in all these commercials with
Charles Barkley and no question question, no question.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Was what was it called Blackxploitation? I think that was
up for an oscar. It was the the story of
the uh the first the first UH black person to
infiltrate the kkk oh.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I saw that that was good. That was actually Washington,
So that that was a good movie. Good call. So
who's got the better fans, Lakers or the better celebrity
better celebrity fans. I'll say Lakers. I'm gonna go Lakers,
better celebrity fans. They're just kind of known for it.
Don't get me wrong, it is didn't somebody had a
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I was at a game. They had a dog at
the game. Was that that game where somebody brought literally
brought their dog to the game and the dog was
the fan of the game.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And that is the most la thing ever.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
The dog was like literally a social media influencer. Yes
the way, yes, by the way, an underrated part of
Los Angeles Lakers celebrity fandom. I don't know if she
does it anymore, but for the longest time, Diane Cannon
would bring homemade to die for brownies to the crew
at the scores table for every home game. So kudos
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to her as part.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Of the brownies at the games. Different brownies and that's
more in the upper deck?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Gotcha all right?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Better or worse?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Current big potential topic on sports media the NBA staying
on TNT or the NBA going back to NBC.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What's better? What's better staying on TNT? Listen? Well on
for the league, It's better to be on NBC. Okay,
network TV better. I know they'll put a lot of
stuff on Peacock because that's the way the world's but
they'll they'll put the big stuff on NBC better for
the league than the numbers will be exponentially better. But
the best show on best sports show on televisions inside
(36:33):
the NBA. And I know, I think Tim Kylee, who
was there with longtime producers, retired recently. So but the
show is so great, Like I just I don't know
if it works in a different network, you know, I
don't know, So I I'm gonna say push.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
All right, final item with the Kentucky Derby coming up
better or worse? The infield at the Kentucky Derby or
the infield at the Daytona five hundred.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You didn't do the infield of Beaumont, which is you.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
Could throw it in there if you want.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Sure, Sure, I'll say the infield at the Kentucky Derby.
It's kind of the interest. This is kind of the
beginning of summer, the juxtaposition of all of the money
that's in the stands and the kind of sort of
regular everyday guy plus everybody gotta get dressed up and
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you're drinking. Mit Julip's I'm gonna go Derby. I've been
to the Derby. It's amazing, and that game.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
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Guys were awesome. I had another tire problem today. Listen
to my brother, so we got I'll settle all taken
care of. Pretty cool stuff. What a night last night
in the Association. I should mention stop me if you
heard this before, But Mike Trout is hurt. Mike Trott
(00:43):
is injured. You like again a little early in the
year for Mike Trout to be injured. Usually it's right
about when it gets important. Then he gets hurt. And
I love Mike Trout. It's just you can kind of
set your watch to it, can't you sitting May already.
I'm just trying to trigger Jason Stewart, who's had a
tough day.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right, It's amazing how time flies.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, you know, it's May. It's May. It's it's May.
Last night in the NBA, what could have been a
series clinching win right there in Madison Square Garden as
the Philadelphia seventy six Ers scored seven points in the
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last twenty five seconds of regulation. Tyrese Maxy finished with
forty six and the Sixers came from behind in regulation
to tie it and then came from behind in overtime
to win it. End up getting a one to twelve
one to zhero six win to extend their season. They
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trailed by six with twenty eight seconds to go, twenty
eight seconds to go crazy, crazy stuff. But you know,
it's interesting in baseball. In baseball baseball, yes, at the
end of games, when closers blow a big lead, almost
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always it begins with basically two ways. One is an
error or usually you walk the opening batter of the
first batter of an inning, right closer comes in, comes
out of the pen. They got all the they got
all the music and the flares and the fireworks going.
He comes in and he's staring down, he's throwing gas.
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It's like one hundred and fifteen miles an hour, and
ball four take your base, and all of a sudden,
everybody's everybody's sphincters get tight. And then a series of
events sometimes an error thing to go bump in the night.
Maybe a bad call leads to the comeback, go back
and look and everyone knows a comeback or two in
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baseball that started that way in basketball. And we talked
about this going back to last week. When team get wins, hey,
when they pull off wins oftentimes and comeback fashion oftentimes
or most times, maybe a missed free throw triggers it, right,
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a miss free throw triggers it's it's just fascinating to
see how how they mirror it. And then the other
issue is do you foul when you're up three points
late in a game? And I don't know by now,
if you're not in the you should foul under easually
under seven seconds you should foil. Then I can't really
help you. Now, the MAXI three wasn't with seven or
(03:36):
less less? I think did it go in with five
to go? So it was kind of on the boardline.
But Tom Thibodau was It looked like he was yelling
to foul to Douce McBride, who obviously did not hear him.
And the rest, as they say, is is history. Here's
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Tom Thibodau trying to explain the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Had to lose a ball game. We had a lead,
we got to play tougher with the lead. We filed
in a situation that we didn't want to file in,
and then the end, Maxual makes a big shot, so
you know we got to do better.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Gotta do better. Maxi made seven of those big shots.
The lead he's talking about was they had that six
point lead out of a timeout. Maxi shot fakes, hits
a three and gets fouled by Mitchell Robinson. Now here's
where I would Tom Thibodeau was right to yell to foul.
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Where he's wrong is when Josh Hart missed the first
free throw, first of two, and Josh Hart had eighteen
nine rebounds, four assists. Couldn't have been any better. He's
got for shooting the ball, But that first miss free throw,
if you watch the game, it barely hit rim. He
was tight, and for a guy who's won national championship
and played almost a decade in the NBA, that's really
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interesting for him to be that tight in that spot.
You close out the series. If you make both three throws,
it's a four point game. It becomes not impossible, but
seemingly virtually impossible. Just like we said, now, you could
point out that the actual run began on the shot
fake four point play MAXI makes the three. That would
be fair, but kind of go through the sequence of events.
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You come out of a timeout, you're up six points.
The only way you lose is if they cut the
possessions from three to two. Right, the only way you
lose is if you cut the possessions from three to two,
because there's just not the time on the clock. If
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they score a dead layup five five seconds, you still
they have to have two more possessions and then you're
likely gonna get fouled and you can make it a
three possession game. The only way you lose is the
way in which the Knicks lost the game. You cannot
not only give up a three point shot, but you
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can't foul on a three point shot. So as much
as I'd like to believe or like to say that
it started on Josh Hart's miss free throw, it really
started on out of the inbounds play. And here's the
issue with Tibbs and his substitution. You shouldn't have a
big guy on the floor at that time, because if
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they want to throw it inside and score an easy two,
you know, and you just put your hands up and
they score and easy two. Okay, the scoring easy too.
But by bringing a big guy in, he's going to
be late on any switch. You run the risk of
fouling a three point shot. And then the same thing
happened when they missed the first free throw. When they
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missed the first free throw. Now it becomes pot potentially
a three point game or a two point game when
the Sixers get the ball back right, so you have
a sub ready to go. If it's a three point game,
sub in whatever guard you want, so you switch every
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screen instead. What did they do? They had Mitchell Robinson
still in the game, and though he gets closer to
the screen, he's playing in the drop and Tyrese Maxey
gets a wide open step in three. Now, granted, you
could sit here and tell me all you want that, Hey,
Deuce McBride should have fouled in the backcourt, that's fine.
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He should have fouled and he didn't, Okay, But whether
he should foul or shouldn't foul, that shoudn't affect the
fact that if you're up three points, you want to
be able to switch every screen and be right there
with the switch, and yes, you could do it with
Mitchell Robinson, that's fine. He could also be way up
there high. Or you could just take your big guy
out switch everything. Again, they lay the ball in, you
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don't tie the game. So here's what it comes down to.
You choke a free throw, you fouled on a three
point shot, you didn't sub in the right personnel, and
then you still had a chance to win the game
with the ball, with your best player, and you don't
have a time out to call right to advance the
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basketball game. I think they actually had a time out
to advance the basketball and try and get one last
quality look. Instead, Jalen burns and gets a shot blocked.
And while we like to think that it was so
devastating way to lose, should we point out the Knicks
had to lead. I think they were up five or
six in overtime before losing by six in overtime, so
it wasn't like they hung their hats and once they
lost the game. Once the game was tied in regulation
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went to overtime, they shut it down for the winner.
That's not what happened. But what a tough way to
lose a basketball game, huh. Tough way to lose a game.
Oh yeah, yoey. And it's one of those things where
if you live long enough, it's gonna come back your way.
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It just happened with the seventy six ers. Seventy six
ers choked away a game they well should have won
playing at home. Now the Knicks do the exact same thing.
Here's the last part about it, which is interesting. You
have a team in the league's biggest market and you
have an MVP in a Joel Embiid, and I'd be
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fascinated to see what the numbers were on the broadcast,
because as much as it was a great watch, it
was a really good basketball game, a really good basketball game.
And the Garden is as electric as any sporting venue
anywhere in the world last night not an exception. So
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you have a big name head coach in Tom Thibodeau,
you have everyone knows Jalen Brunson, and you have a
superstar in terms of accomplishments and probably name recognition in
Joel embid It's not like Philadelphia is a small market,
but the fact that it's not Lebron, it's not Durant,
it's not Steph I wonder if people watched what a game,
(10:10):
what a finish to a game, and it brings up
the Okay, now, all of a sudden, the pressure ships
to Philadelphia, I mean, excuse me, to New York now,
like you kind of got a win in Philly. You
don't want this thing to go seven?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You don't want to be a team we know how
we rake over the coals. Teams that have a three
to one lead and then lose that three to one lead.
Don't believe me. I give you Doc Rivers. Speaking of
Doc Rivers, how about that performance last night? No, I
did not see it coming. Matter of fact, on the
ind The Bonus podcast, I said to everybody, like, if
you're gonna bet, like this seems like a kind of easy.
One Buck's an elimination game, four point dog at home
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without Giannis, without Lillard, and the only time they had
won a game in the series was Lillard having thirty
five points in the first half of Game one. It
seemed too easy. And what's the old expression? And eighth
the time, something's too good to be true.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It is.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So an amazing, an amazing back to back doubleheader of
games last night in the NBA, and I love ja
SU's investment in this thing. You were emotionally invested in
that deal? Oh, yeah, emotionally invested, Jasu.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Or were you financially invested?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
No, I didn't. Uh, I didn't bet on the game.
But I did see many tweets out there that showed
how many times Maxi traveled on one of his big
threes on the.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's on the foul three he shot, faked and switched
pimt feet and stepped under. It was travel travel.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It's one of my more I'm using things to watch.
I don't know if I tapped into an algorithm on
x but there is a site dedicated to exposing all
the traveling in the NBA. And then the guy will
go on to a basketball corps and mimic it and
he'll do like the six steps and then he'll show
the exact same thing that the NBA player does. It's
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really funny.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I've seen that as well. I've seen that one
as well. Boy, we got a good show for it.
By the way, here's six Ers head coach Nick Nurse
talking about Joel Embiid's performance.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
He can do those things, just not didn't seem like
that was going to appear tonight, right. He obviously was
was not feeling great. It was a tough game for him,
you know, very difficult, but he found he found a
way to do that stuff. I mean, he can move sweet,
he can block shouts, he can strip the ball. We've
all seen him do that when he's when he's super
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engaged in trying to get a staff and it was
it was good that he finally came up and was
able to dig down.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And do that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I like, that's that's pretty awesome. Actually, I think people
are miss assessing a Meade was a mess in terms
of turning the ball over. He had nine turnovers seven
to nineteen from flour. But he's a plus flour team.
The team was way better with them on the floor,
and he made some big free throws late. But I
love that, Like, can you play well or play you know,
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can you win when you're not playing well? And that's
the case with Joel Embi. Obviously Tyree Max he carried
him offensively. He was spectacular forty six nine and five. Wow,
were you gonna say they're sam?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Obviously Bobby Portis was a big reason why the Bucks won. Sure,
I can't remember who he did this gesture against but
he did the too small, nice little basket. But when
you're scoring that much and it's one two pointer, do
you think that the two small celebrations is sort of
ridiculous in that moment?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Has it reached dab status?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's like smacking the floor? I mean, the dab is
more like a personal celebration of yourself. You know, you're
like a touch score, a touchdown my dab?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
What is the two smallest?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's taunting another guy? Okay, same with you know, just
slapping the floor. Isn't even that much of a taunt.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, well, this is the impetus of slapping the floor. Yeah,
was for Duke and it was their international. That was
their sign for like we got let's dig in, let's
get it stop.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
It's like a pump you up thing. But the too
small thing is more of like a personal you know
if what was it? Wagner got called for pointing at
a guy, Like, why wouldn't they call a foul for
the too small?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's just generally accepted. I guess I don't know how
my body portus is a plus thirty.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He was unbelievable. Bev pat Bev was really good last
night too. Uh, Malik Beasley had was it four threes?
I mean that game was and Indiana was up eight
at the end of the first quarter, and I was like,
I'm gonna flip around, see what else is on come back?
And now of a sudden the Bucks had to lead
at the half, and then the third quarter was just
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an avalanche.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, it was a fork in the road. H car
went one decision and one one direction.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yes, completely, yes completely.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
Doug O Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I was Sam
on the Ones and two's killing it. Sam, You're just
you're killing it.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So May first rite of passage? Now is it?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
What? So?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
May you know why I played this?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Right? No?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So you know the meme it's gonna be me, But
he's really saying it's gonna be May. It's May first.
So it's like on April thirtieth or May first. People
always put out this gift or meme of in sync
saying it's gonna be May. That's the whole that's why
I'm playing. I would never play in sync unless it
was this. For this reason.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I haven't heard seen one person I followed do that?
What Jase?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Do you have you?
Speaker 7 (15:40):
This is all news to me. I'm interested in. Okay,
I love, I love, have you no? But uh, I
got older than me. Something's coming up in three days.
That'll be May the fourth be.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Worth you the course sink. May the fourth be with you.
But you guys have never heard it's gonna be may
no no, All right, well jeez, I mean it's on there, man,
it's online, and it's all on the interwebs. It's been
a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Deep, deep deep in the in the dark deep.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
My my timeline is filled with clashes at UCLA.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
With the Columbia Midnight clashes, the.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Columbia chick that was really funny, where she's like pizza
and can you guys get us some food here? We're protesting.
We need humanitarian we need humanitarian aids, like huh, Like,
maybe you should have brought some mrs up there, you know,
if you're gonna be camped out in there. But they're
only in there for what a few hours. They destroyed
one of the most historic Ivy League buildings on Columbia's campus. Yeah,
(16:41):
and by the way, but they're not there. I mean,
I don't know. If you saw the ratio at Texas,
it was like two to one that were non students
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Outside agitators like, look, this is.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Just all nonsense. It's all nonsense. Okay, all nonsense.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Let's not get too deep.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
No, we can get too deep. And it's really really cool.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
It really quick.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We don't have to get in the fescue. Okay. One
side is our sworn enemy. The other side is our ally.
One side attacked, murdered, rate pillaged. The other side has
defended itself. This is not hard math. It's not hard,
(17:24):
and it's very very simple. If you want to support
our sworn there are sworn enemy, fine, go there and
do it. And oh yeah, by the way, you are
allowed to protest peacefully. But it's like people think they
like they have a working It's like the Bible, right,
(17:45):
they're like quote something from the Bible, like yeah, I
got free speech, Like not how it works. I have
the right to protest, you do have to have permits.
And you're so stupid that you're like, hey, can you
guys bring us some sandwiches here, we're hungry. And oh yeah,
by the way, then by destroying private property.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
They're on a meal plan, Doug, then a meal plan.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Then you could be arrested.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
They're on a meal plan. They owe him.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
So if you want to support all out the sworn
enemy to the United States, you may get on a
plane and go and support them or find a way,
but you are living in the United States, they are
sworn enemy. Really not that hard, really that hard. So anyway,
(18:34):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. But yeah,
there's I mean, like, look, I was watching sports last
night and I did a good job, like putting down
the phone at like ten, and I was out early
as soon as that second game was over.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
And uh.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Uh, but the news was Mike Trout has a tor
meniscus and he's gonna need now when you have a torminiscus.
As we've come to learn anybody who's gone through the
knees stuff, there's like two types of miniscal injury. One
is the very minor one. They go in a little
edge of it, phrase off, they cut it off. It's
(19:10):
like six weeks in your back. The other one is
the more invasive one where they go and they check
to stiff it at, stitch it up and that takes
a longer time to recover. Do we know which one
it is, Jay Stu? Or they don't know until they
I think they don't. Well which which surgery is it?
Age back in six weeks or back in a couple
of months sort of thing. The amazing part about it
(19:34):
is that Jay Stu I sweared, I swear in all
things holy. Two days ago, we're watching highlights and I
was telling him a Jackson Holiday story of going to
the Angel game. And he's like, you know that, I've
told all my buddies. What'd you tell all your buddies
at that moment in time.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Well, he was the first player to hit ten home
runs in the majors. Uh, he's an amazing player. But
I told all my buddies on you this is when
you trade Mike Track. He is at the highest value
he could possibly be because we all know that he's
going to get injured. Trade him now, and what happens.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
He got hurt. He got hurt. I am a forever
bitter Angel fan, and I'll tell you why. Two reasons.
One In nineteen eighty seven, when Donny Moore gave up
the home run. Back then, Anaheim Stadium was enclosed and
it had seventy five thousand seats and they're playing the
(20:34):
Red Sox in the it was the Alcs, right, because
the Red Sox went on and took on the Mets.
And that was the Buckner play in the World Series.
In Game six of the World Series, and I had
as a little kid at the time, I was eleven
years old, I had mailed in something to the ticket
lottery and gotten a seat in centerfield for Game one
of the World Series and Donny Moore gives at the
(20:55):
home run. Fast forward to two thousand and two and
the taking on the Giants in the World Series. Dusty
Baker is somebody I've met. He's a wonderful man. But
Mandity Butcher that series for the for the Giants. Thank
you to my Angels. But it's one of those deals
where you you don't want to be that guy, but
(21:17):
you kind of are that. I I'm wondering if I
know why the Angels are cursed. Okay, two thousand and
two is what what era of baseball is that I love?
Right in the middle of there, you go, steroid era,
right and I always found it amazing. And I know
(21:39):
a couple of those guys, and I'm not going to
out any one of them, but there definitely were some
guys that had career years, right career years. You're like, man,
what happened in oath? What happened from three on? You know?
I mean, goh, and look, look, just look. There's one
(22:03):
who is a one of my favorite players to watch play,
favorite players to watch play. And he had an incredible
season that year. And part of it is the incredible
spikes in a season that is that's baseball, right, guys,
I have a but precipitous drop off. Once we got
to three isla what happened in two thousand and three
(22:27):
and beyond? They started to you know, the uh so,
is it possible? Is it possible? Again? This is hypotheses,
not theory. Okay, because since that moment, let's look at like,
let's look at all the litany of things that have
gone wrong for the Angels. They had the number one
(22:49):
pitching prospect in baseball. He pitches well and then is
hit by a drunk driver. Right, they have one of
their best left handed pitchers dies and he was getting
drugs from a Clubhouse Clubby. I think Mo Vaughn was
after that, Josh Hamilton was after that, Albert Pooles's disastrous contract,
(23:10):
and everything was after that, the fact that got show
Heyo Tani, but couldn't win anything or got to the
playoffs with I think they had one of the best
records in baseball, maybe the best record in baseball with
Mike Trout three games, lost them all because of pitching,
couldn't hit to the Kansas City Royals all after that
been in the playoffs one time. I'm just wondering aloud
(23:33):
if because the Angels dodged the proverbial steroid bullet that
Barry Bonds caught that Martin McGuire caught, that Sami Sosa
caught that so many other caught, is that the reason
there cursed today? Judges, what do you guys think? Jason Stewart,
you're a hypotheses. Hypotheses theory is something that is proven hypothesis,
(23:59):
something that you kind of put some stuff together and
you think.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Okay, never knew that one, but I liked the hypothesis.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What about a conjecture? What's the difference?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Troy Glausse, that's the guy you keep referring to not
naming by name. No, no, why do you keep it
his name secret?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Why are you keeping the guys.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Because I'm not gonna knowingly Again, I've I've been sued
for for defamation before.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But Troy Gloss was on the list, right he got
he got napped.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Troy Gloss got napped. This guy did not get napp
is not Troy Gloss. My point is that that team
had multiple guys that had big numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Remember of the Barry Bonds home run in the in
the O two World Series off Troy Percival. Yes, that's
the thing that people go to. That home run is like,
this is Barry Bond's at peak royd Rooydage. Yes, I'm
guessing Perceval was also at peak Roydage. I'm just guessing, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
By the way, conjecture is an opinion that has no
basis effects, so.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's well it's inference formed without proof of So it
sounds like a theory or a hypothesis. No hypothesis closer
to it than a theory.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think. In I think what happens is conjectures. You're
you're just spitting stuff out because you think maybe I
don't know hypothesis is you got kind of some sort
of like okay.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
This maybe, but it hasn't been based.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
What hasn't been hasn't been proven as a as.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's going to be tested in science, right, theory is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
When it's been tested and proven to be well.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Then a conspiracy theory though isn't proven correct theory part
of it a conspiracy is when you're all together and
you're you know, there's people conspiring. So it's like the
theory is like an idea, isn't it? Isn't that in
the ballpark? Bring over semantics argument.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Over the exact definition the supposition of a system of
ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general
principles of independent uh, independent of the thing that to
be explained.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Thank you, Miriam Webster. By the way, I'm going to
send you guys to give off. It's going to be
May just so you know.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It all right. I think this stuff is all interesting.
It's good to know what words mean totally. We misuse
words all the time, all the time, all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I will go back and check myself. Yes, because I'm
like an idiot. I feel like an idiots I'm not much.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yes, you are an idiot. Stug Gottleeb show here on
Fox Sports Radio and Graham Motion joins us. Acclaimed thoroughbred
horse trainer, a long time proponent of reform and increased
safety measures in the sport of horse racing. He joins
us as we are creeping closer and closer to the
to the Kentucky Derby. Graham, if you could, I appreciate
(26:39):
you taking time with us. What do you think the
current state of the sport of horse racing is.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
Look, we've definitely had a rough year, Doug, starting last
year with the Kentucky Derby, and you know, we had
a lot of problems derby week for really unknown reasons.
But I think it's been a huge wake up call
for everyone in the industry and I think we were
already in the pros of trying to make the sport better. PISA,
who's come into play. The Horse Racing Integrity Safety Act
(27:08):
has just come into play a year ago actually after
the Derby, and this is all part of the process
of what we hope is going to make the sports
safer and a cleaner sport.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
What's the biggest challenge that HAISA.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Has, Well, it's national rules and this is something we've
never had. Everything up until now has always been state
by state, and this is something that we have, really
as horsemen, we've been begging for. You know, I stable
in Maryland and on any given weekend, I could run
in four or five different states which have different rules.
(27:43):
Imagine if that was the way it worked in the NFL,
where every time you went to a different stadium you
were under different different rules or jurisdiction. So that's the
biggest that's probably the biggest problem for it, but that's
also ultimately what's going to be best for our sports.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, what about this weekend and the derby? How does
how is this field shaping up?
Speaker 8 (28:09):
You know, it's a great field. There's a couple of
outstanding horses. Fierceness is probably going to be the morning
line favorite. He's extremely impressive in the morning. He won
the Florida Derby very impressively. And then there's also a
hot to Sierra Sierra Leone from the Chad Brown stable,
who won the Bluegras at Keenland, just up the road
(28:30):
from Churchill, and he's very impressive in his last Those
two horses stand.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Out to me. I'm interested, you know, obviously you know,
the the mainstream sports fan in America loves the Derby
and then you know, you'll you'll only you'll only get
to the Belmont, if there's a triple Crown possibility, right,
And I just wonder if Justify winning the Triple Crown
in eighteen, if that took some of the fervor away
(28:57):
from it. I understand there's issues off the track, but
on the track, how do you believe the kind of
mainstream fan has reacted since we saw Justifying eighteen?
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't see it that way.
I mean, I think this was something that we definitely
needed in our sport. There's been a lot of criticism
in the sport, within the sport saying the Triple Crown
is just too hard. So it's not supposed to be easy, right,
But we needed a winner. And I want to tell you,
coming to Pimlico the second leg of the Triple Crown
with the Kentucky Derby winner, which I was lucky enough
to do with Animal Kingdom, there is no feeling like that.
(29:32):
That is a that is a crazy feeling when everybody
there is basically rooting to you, Right, So I think
I think there's always the interest. I think that's what
perfony interest is that it is difficult, and it runs
over a short space of time, and it keeps people's
interests if you like it does.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What's that pressure feel like of being at Pimlico as
the winner?
Speaker 8 (29:54):
I tell you what, when you wake up the morning
after winning the derby, you're no longer talking about winning
the derby. Everybody wants to talk about the pretmus and
that was That was a shock to me because it
wasn't really something I'd had time to think about or
I didn't expect. So you really have to move on
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Graham Motion and a claim throw bred horse trainer, long
time proponent of reform and increase safety measures in the
sport of horse racing. Last thing in regards to the reform,
how confident are you that we're going to see work.
We're seeing a clean race with clean horses, and some
of the nefarious stuff is truly gone because of Isiser.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
You know.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
We Heiser has a much tighter grip on the squad
than the scrutiny that these horses go under now before
they are allowed out on the track is very It's
way more than we've ever had before. You know, these
horses are followed all week leading up to the Derby
and everybody just wants to put on a good, clean show.
And it's an exciting race. You know, anytime you have
(30:56):
twenty horses on the track at the same time, that's
that's a big challenge. That you've the world's best jockeys
and the best the best three year olds right now
racing together, and that means for a very exciting race.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Awesome stuff, Graham, Thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy
the Derby. Remember Throwbred Racing as a new and independent regulator.
We've been talking about HAISA. That's implementing comprehensive reforms and
the sport is combining hands on care with cutting edge
technology to help keep the athletes safe. Learn more visit
Safety Runs First dot com. That's Safety Runs First dot com. Graham,
enjoy the Twin Spires. I know it's been redone. It's beautiful.
It should be a great day of racing. Thanks being
(31:31):
our guest.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Pleasures all ours. That's Graham motion claimed Thoroughbred Strainers.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How many hosts at Fox Sports Radio can identify this
as Nights of Sedonia? How many?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Nicely done? Probably only you? You know why that is
because you're a Muse fan.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Is this end of the song kicks ass?
Speaker 4 (32:01):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Both. I I do like MWS, but I.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know, my daughter is uh, she's a Muse fan.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
She a huge Muse fan. Mod rock. We went to
their concert in Anaheim, Yeah, I think at the what's
it called now Honda Center used to be the Yes
last great show. Mus is a great show. You don't
have to be a mod rock or a metal fan
to like them. I've been around for a while now,
long time. I didn't even know they've been around. But
this is one of her first songs that she that
(32:30):
made her fall in love with the bass. Anyway, Grace
and her bass going to Berkeley School of Music in Boston.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's awesome. Really, that's l ee at the end.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Berkeley e E Muse. So I've been to Muse, Primus, Maiden, Tools,
her current favorite, Maynard and Tool. They were awesome. I
was a four and a half hour drive to Fresno
to go see them each way? Who else we could
see at least in a bunch of goo goo dolls.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
That was my first ever concert I ever saw. It
was a goods yea.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Boy named Google. Let's let's get to the press a game.
Let's get to a game.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
What up? Isa think? What's your game today?
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Getting clear? Get your vows?
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Ready for better or worse?
Speaker 7 (33:29):
So last night, among the pageantry of the Sixers great
come from behind, when the reactions of the likes of
John Stewart, Tracy Morgan, Courtside and Madison Square gardens.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So on that note, Tracy Morgan, I think gave somebody
the finger, didn't he He did?
Speaker 7 (33:47):
On that note better or worse? Celebrity fans of the
New York Knicks or celebrity fans for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
You know what I find funny? Do you guys remember
it was it Charles Oakley got kicked out of the
next game and he was there last night?
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Has anybody noticed that all those people that said they
would never go back and sell the team, now they're good.
They're all there. You're all a bunch of phonies. You're
all a bunch of phonies.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Was it Spike Lee who went through the wrong door
and was like accosted by security or something that was
like a couple of years ago. Yeah, so this is
my special VP. Maybe I think he got wrong though
in a way.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Sure, I'm like, dudes mess mess things up. They don't know, Like,
do you know who I am? Like? No, I don't
know you are I.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Should recognize Spike Lee. It's been around a minute.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, but when was the last time Spike Lee put
out a movie that.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
He's been But he's been in all these commercials with
Charles Barkley and no question question, no question.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Was what was it called Blackxploitation? I think that was
up for an oscar. It was the the story of
the uh the first the first UH black person to
infiltrate the kkk oh.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I saw that that was good. That was actually Washington,
So that that was a good movie. Good call. So
who's got the better fans, Lakers or the better celebrity
better celebrity fans. I'll say Lakers. I'm gonna go Lakers,
better celebrity fans. They're just kind of known for it.
Don't get me wrong, it is didn't somebody had a
(35:15):
I was at a game. They had a dog at
the game. Was that that game where somebody brought literally
brought their dog to the game and the dog was
the fan of the game.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (35:24):
And that is the most la thing ever.
Speaker 7 (35:26):
The dog was like literally a social media influencer. Yes
the way, yes, by the way, an underrated part of
Los Angeles Lakers celebrity fandom. I don't know if she
does it anymore, but for the longest time, Diane Cannon
would bring homemade to die for brownies to the crew
at the scores table for every home game. So kudos
(35:49):
to her as part.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Of the brownies at the games. Different brownies and that's
more in the upper deck?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Gotcha all right?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Better or worse?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Current big potential topic on sports media the NBA staying
on TNT or the NBA going back to NBC.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What's better? What's better staying on TNT? Listen? Well on
for the league, It's better to be on NBC. Okay,
network TV better. I know they'll put a lot of
stuff on Peacock because that's the way the world's but
they'll they'll put the big stuff on NBC better for
the league than the numbers will be exponentially better. But
the best show on best sports show on televisions inside
(36:33):
the NBA. And I know, I think Tim Kylee, who
was there with longtime producers, retired recently. So but the
show is so great, Like I just I don't know
if it works in a different network, you know, I
don't know, So I I'm gonna say push.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
All right, final item with the Kentucky Derby coming up
better or worse? The infield at the Kentucky Derby or
the infield at the Daytona five hundred.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You didn't do the infield of Beaumont, which is you.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
Could throw it in there if you want.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Sure, Sure, I'll say the infield at the Kentucky Derby.
It's kind of the interest. This is kind of the
beginning of summer, the juxtaposition of all of the money
that's in the stands and the kind of sort of
regular everyday guy plus everybody gotta get dressed up and
(37:29):
you're drinking. Mit Julip's I'm gonna go Derby. I've been
to the Derby. It's amazing, and that game.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So in reaction to the possibility of TNT going away
covering the NBA and NBC coming in, we got a
good midway topic and maybe you can join in at
Gottlieb Show, which is your favorite announcers play by play
announcers in NBA history. We'll share us with you next
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