May 20, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug explains why the NBA needed this New York Knicks playoff run. Doug does not think the Nuggets choked away game seven against Minnesota. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher to talk about four teams left in the NBA Playoffs, the Knicks and all of the other major headlines coming out of the weekend. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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just like we always thought, right, I mean, it kind
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of has an NCAA tournament sort of feel. We have
a final four in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Right oh, it's awesome. Let me tell you. Let me
tell you, but Mike, she's sixty and Roy Williams.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It No, no, no, Dick Vitel, No, that's not what
it is. It's the NBA, right oh, the final four
we got Lebron and we got nope, no, we get.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
The dependent champions and nikolae Yo Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Nope, no, now we do have Luca and the Mavericks
and what was that was an amazing basketball game in
Game six to win in Oklahoma City. We have the
Minnesota Timberwolves, Minnesota timberlives. Yes, now you're not stuttering, that's correct.
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And then we have the Indiana Pacers and the Boston Celtics,
and obviously the Celtics I think are the prohibitive favorite
to win the whole thing. Now I believe like this
could be the the I'm here, I'm the best player
in the world moment for Luca Doncik if he can
win both these next two series. There's a lot to
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get to. And there's Kyrie Irving, who suddenly has become
a leader h a right, And as much as we
want to say, ah, it's hard for me to get
into this series when it's Minnesota and and whatever, Kyrie
against Boston in the finals. And we have the Anthony
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Edwards who continues his kind of NBA playoff takeover. Even
though the shooting wasn't efficient, the defense, the energy, some
of the shot making was pretty spectacular, but I don't
want to bury the lead. I you know, there are
times in which I look at sports and I think
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a lot of people inside sports look at it differently
than the mainstream fan or the hater fan. Right, the
hater fans like, why are you always talking about the Knicks?
And I get it. The steven A thing. It can
be a little much, right, It can be more than
a little much. It can be a lot much. It
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can be a little much. But man, I gotta tell you.
You know, my dad was a New Yorker and every
summer he take me back. And you know, my mom
grew up in Connecticut. He grew up in the Bronx,
moved out to Long Island when he's like thirteen years old,
and we would go to all the places in all
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the parks. And again, remember this is the nineties, and
back in that part of the nineties, the Knicks were
very good. And when Jordan was out of the league
and oj was in the Chase, they were actually in
the NBA Finals. But New York, I mean, they're like
any town. Any town's a front running town. But the
garden has been full for the last twenty five years.
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The Knicks have been good. The Knicks have been bad.
The Knicks have had Carmelo, They've also had Lynsanity. They've
been atrocious. They've been great. The garden has been full.
And what happens is people have been critical of Knicks fans. Hey,
if you really want change, you want James Dolden change,
stop showing up. But they can't. You know why, it's
a basketball town. And whether it was you name the
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coach that has gone there. You've always asked, like, why
would Phil Jackson do it? You know, he played there,
he won a championship there. But the same reason Phil
Jackson did the same reason Rick Patino did it, the
same reason that pat Riley did it. The same and
you saw it in this past series. There is an
energy and a passion in that city for that team
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that is remarkable. And look, obviously there's a little bit
of karma there, right you go, f you to Reggie Miller,
and now Reggie Miller gets to have the last laugh,
and we can sit here and say we know what
the outcome would have been. I mean, plenty of Knicks
fans like you know, Jalen Brunson didn't get hurt. If
you know, like you go through all the basically their
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starting lineup was all out. You would think that the
Knicks would win if they were healthy. But we don't know,
and we don't know if Tom Thibodeau's style can allow
them to be health because he's all gas, no breaks,
all the time. But a blind man can see that
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it's just different in the garden. A blind man can
see that the energy for that team is just different.
And this is not me excusing the fact that there
is a very high dB ratio right, and by dB,
I don't mean defensive back. I think you know what
that an acronym is for. Here's a different, different energy,
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and some of it turns nasty, some of it's not enjoyable.
I get it, I would agree with it, but it
has it's actually better than the Lakers, if you can
believe that. Don't get me wrong. The Lakers are regal.
The Lakers have the same number of championships. The Lakers
are a spectacular franchise historically because you go back through
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the years in different decades from George mike In to
Jerry West, to Magic Johnson, to Kobe Bryant and fir
Sin Shaq and then Kobe and Pale and then obviously
to Lebron like they've had all these different stars, and
they have all the Hollywood stars, but so does New York,
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but New York has this just energy. It's unmistaknable, it's undeniable.
Here's Jalen Brunson talking about the game and the support
of the fans.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
They have been.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Nothing but amazing to myself, to this team, to my family,
and that's really cool. Just so thankful for them and everything,
and the Knights that now we needed energy they provided
for us. And the games on the road when we
need energy, they provided for us. And so they're amazing
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and I can't really put in the words of what
they mean to me, but they deserve much more than
what we were able to do this playoffund they deserve
much more than that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I mean, it's it's what the NBA has been missing, right.
Ask yourself, why why would I watch college basketball? And
remember this is from the voice of a college basketball
head coach, And the answer, you know, the question is,
really why would you watch what's an inferior product in
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terms of the overall talent? And the answer is because
college basketball, usually, especially at its best, possesses an insane
amount of passion, an insane amount of energy. You can
feel it. You feel like the players are playing harder,
and you feel like the fans are cheering harder, and
you feel like you're at like a rock concert, right
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And the NBA, you know they're playing. They got a
DJ playing while they dribble the ball up the floor.
Or of course in New York, they got an organist,
you know, playing the organ while you're walking the ball
at the floor. That's your view of the NBA. The
NBA can be sterile, the NBA can be lame. The
NKBA can be a show where fans just come to
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watch and golf clap. Not New York, Not New York,
the fabric of where that city is. Sure, it's not
like LA. It's arrogant, absolutely, and arrogant for no reason
because they haven't won anything since the sixties. But we're
in New York and you're not. But you get that
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energy and those games felt different. New York games, garden
feed games feel different, and Nick games in the playoffs field.
It's exactly what the NBA needed because you can be
the most ardent hater of the NBA, and there's plenty
of people like, we don't defense the Knicks too. They
don't play with great energy. I mean, I mean, look
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at the way Heart plays. I mean, Josh Hart's amazing.
Everything is just dunk or shoot shoot three point shots.
Have you watched Jalen Brunson. So this is not me
saying the wrong team one. I mean, look, they're so
banged up injury wise. I'm sure some of it is TIBs,
some of it's bad luck and the Pacers. I think
Rick Carlisle is an amazing coach. We talked about that
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early in earlier shows. But it's undeniable that the NBA
needs the Knicks deep in the playoffs. The playoffs feel
different with them deep in that deepen it and if
the NBA is to ever get back to close to
the standing of previous decades now, back when the NBA
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was king New York, Chicago, La, Boston, they gotta be
in Philly. They gotta be involved.
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So the Nuggets lose in seven games, right, and they
lose to the Minnesota Timberwolves, and I think a lot
of the it's really hard for us to wrap our
heads around the fact that Minnesota's really really good. Right
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Minnesota was the three seed in the West, but they
hadn't accomplished anything in the playoffs. But it's like, look
if I told you they had you know, Rudy Gobert,
and we can make fun of Rudy Gobert and say
how much he hurts them at times and whatever they have.
Rudy Gobert is a former Defensive Player of the Year.
You have Mike Conley, who's a long time just stud
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of a point guard. And then you throw in the
fact that they have Anthony Edwards, and then you throw
in that they have Karl Anthony Towns, and you look
at those names like, Okay, well, I'm a little but
I still think we're struggling with the lack of brand name.
Lack of brand name. I mean, think of the breakthrough
brands in and you're buying cars, right, and we were
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always it's like Kia. When the Kia Luxury ones or
the Hyundai's, it's very hard for us to fathom that huh,
I could buy a Mercedes or I could buy a Lexus,
or I could buy a Cadillac, or I could buy
a Kia. But at some point in time, who makes
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the actual best car. But Jason Stewart told me that
he thought the Nuggets choked, and I thought that was interesting. Jayce,
do what what about the Nuggets makes you say they choked?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Starting at ten minutes left on the third quarter yesterday
when they were up twenty, that's when the choke starts.
I'm not saying the series was a choke. They were
down two games to nothing that it was pretty remarkable
that they even came back, But the actual choke job
occurred yesterday when they're up twenty in the third quarter,
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with the best player in the world at home, they
had all the championship experience. If you're going to acknowledge choke,
a choke job is a thing in sports, because I
know a lot of athletes don't want to acknowledge that.
But if you're going to, if you're going to have
choke in the vernacular in sports, if that isn't a choke,
then what is.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I guess the problem with calling it a choke is
did they play poorly because of the pressure, or did
they play poorly because the other team, right, like, the
other team plays a factor in there. A choke is
by okay, So I'll give you my definition of a
choke and you tell me if you're okay with the definition.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Fair, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
A choke is when the pressure of the moment is
what causes you to perform far below your normal level
of success.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That is whence the pressure of the moment causes you
to perform at a lower level than we are accustomed to.
And what makes Derek Jeter, for example, one of the
all time greats, is not actually because of the plays
that he's made, you know, the famous plays he's made
in the playoffs. It's because Derek Jeter's batting average is
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exactly the same in the regular season as it is
historically in the postseason. In other words, it doesn't matter
the pressure. He's the same guy. So I guess the
question is losing a twenty point lead with ten minutes
to go in the third quarter and ultimately getting kind
sort of run out of your own building. Was it
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because of the pressure or was it because they don't
have a very good bench. The other team's really good.
They ran a little gas. I think it's a really
fair question. But do you like my definition of choke?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I do?
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I do.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And then I think if you take like the biggest
choke job in the history of sports, maybe uh Jean
van der Veld's choke job in the ninety nine Open Championship,
there was somebody behind him making shots. I mean, there's
always going to be a factor of the other people
playing well.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, but this is because they're actually playing defense. They're
actually trying to stop you. I mean, look to me,
the Nuggets lost this thing when Bruce Brown was gone
and they never figured out their bench. Their bench gave
him nothing. When they have five points off their bench,
they just can't do it. You can't do it. They
don't have the ability to play differently, and they became
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too dependent upon Aaron Gordon, who at times last year
at times this year proved to be kind of that
third star guy, but he wasn't. And I'd also give
a ton of credit to Minnesota, which where their roster
was constructed in a way that felt like specifically designed
to beat the to beat the Nuggets. So I don't
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view it as a choke. I don't beat it when
you win. Look, they won three games on the Nuggets
home floor. Three games. I thought that the size and
length and activity gave Jamal Murray fits, especially late yesterday.
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I did think. I thought that some of these lulls
we had seen before, if you go back, even the
Lakers series in game four, should have wanted to think
in Game four and they just they kind of played
with their food and then they just don't have the
ability to go to the bench and get anything. All right,
let's talk to NBA hoop with one of my all
time faves. He's one and only, Rick Buker of course,
Fox Sports, Fox Sports one, fox Sports dot Com, and
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he joins us now on the Doug Guy Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Bukeum, in your crystal ball, did you
see Minnesota, Dallas, Indie, Boston as our final four?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
No? No, I did not.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
I Going into those series, coach I had there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It does slide off the tongue, it does, it does.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I thought there was.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Look, I thought there was.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
The longer that series, the New York Indiana series went,
the more likely it was that Indiana was going to
win the series. All things equal, I expected New York
to be in the conference finals, and I and I
thought it's full force, they were capable of getting to
the finals. But TIB's never never adjusted to what Rick
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Carlisle Carlo is.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
He's an evil genius.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I mean he basically was like, I know you, TIBs,
I know I know what you're going to do. I'm
gonna dare you not to play six players. We're gonna
play fast, We're gonna run it, even make er miss,
We're gonna run it. I'm gonna play a deep rotation
and we'll see if your guys can hold up to
are playing the same pace we did during the regular season.
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And uh, and eventually we saw saw what we saw.
So Dallas, Yeah, I thought Dallas would would beat Oklahoma City.
I did not expect Minnesota beat Denver. And I rewatched
the game, uh this morning, and and I've just blown
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away by Denver, just ran out of gas.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
And they they looked like they.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Were out of gas at various points through these playoffs.
Like I thought against the Lakers, I thought it was boredom,
and then I don't think it was.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't think it's boredom. I think they I mean,
I think they lost because of their bench.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Can I think definitely their bench construction, and then Minnesota
compounded that by the fact that they could throw three
seven foot type guys at Jokic and nobody like Jamal
Murray fried. He wasn't going to get anything done against
Anthony Edwards or Jade McDaniels. That was a lost proposition.
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Aaron Gordon wasn't. They needed him to be special and
he wasn't. I thought the turning, like the psychological turning
point was with what like four or five seconds on
the shot box, Minnesota inbounds it. They're up by two.
They inbound it and Rudy Gobert takes a fall away
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fifteen foot jumper that I've never seen him. Prayer, let's
make he gets nothing but met and then they go
to the other end and Aaron Gordon has a dunk
that that Karl Anthony Towns prevents from going from going
down and in Minnesota recovers. And I thought right there,
from that point on, Minnesota just looked like the fresher,
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more energetic teams, and and so you're right. I mean,
ultimately it was their bench, and I would say their
their lack of size, like Carlington town didn't have to
do everything because Nasri could give you something Rudy Gobert
could give you something outside of Jokic. I just didn't
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see anybody, anybody stepping up and giving him that second
star to get it done.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
No, I didn't. I didn't see that. I didn't see
that one either. Rick Buker joined us here on the
Doug Otlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. It could be me, okay,
And I feel like that what we saw from the
Knicks fan base, and I understand the people. I was
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ESPN talking so much about the Knicks. That's the energy
in that market that this league so desperately desires. That's
the reason that That's the reason Phil Jackson went there,
That's the reason Carmelo wanted to go there. That's the
reason like you picked for the last Yeah, I mean,
pat Riley, you name, you name all the different coaches
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that have because the guy who wins there will be
in in the the lore for New York. But can
can Tibbs You mentioned how stubborn he is? Can Tibbs
win there? Considering this is at the end of the day,
who he is?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Yeah, I don't see how It's not. It's not Tibbs
per se, It's Tibbs approach. Yeah, and I think he
I think he gets teams to overachieve. And I think
Jalen Brunston is the perfect Jalen Brunson, Jimmy Butler, those
are the perfect stars for Tom Thibodeau because they are
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overachievers and they are grinders, and that's the kind of
team that works best with TIDS. I honestly don't know
if kids can coach talent, temperamental talent, the kind of
temperamental talent that ultimately you need to some level to.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Win a championship.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
And I give him credit and that, I don't know
that they get to where they are and have the
season that they had and are the number two seed
all of that without him creating the culture and the
approach that he had and those guys just being so
about in pledging allegiance to TIDS. But I don't know
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that that formula and that approach wins you a championship.
I think it makes you an overachiever. I think it
makes you a team that a city takes pride in
because it's kind of got a blue blue collar underdog
type feel to it, or you're talking about winning a
ring like Honestly, I don't know how you feel. But
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I thought what was damning is that when he injuries
forced him to go into his bench, you were reminded, Hey,
you know what Alex Berton play like pressures that chewit
can do some things for you. Why did you have
to play a six and a half man rotation? And
then what was even funnier is he loses he loses
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his guys, some of his guys, and he's got to
go into his bench and he still plays the six
and a half rotation Like it was, I'm not willing
to play this many guys. I was wondering if it
got to the point where like didn't have enough guys
to have five like, or didn't he he didn't have
the guys that he wanted to play. He just goes,
screw it, I'm gonna play four guys. I like, I'm
only gonna play the four guys I want to play.
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So that's that's where the fact that he has not
changed at all over the years has in one way
work for him. But I think that it has a
shelf life where it has a ceiling that you cannot
break going through that, going that approach. I actually I'm
writing a story about this because I asked one of
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my NBA confidentials for Fox Sports dot Com and asking
people around the league, like, you quit Gibbs for their
success or do you blame him? Whether it ultimately fell
apart right? And it's funny because it actually was mixed,
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like people gave him his flowers and one DM who
was like, he wouldn't he wouldn't even necessarily equate the
injuries with the approach, she said. I don't know if
if it's totally fakeer do that, he said, but I
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would never have my guy do it, like I would never.
I would never allow my coach to take that approach.
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Awesome stuff. Rick Buger joining us here on the Doug
Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Let's get to the
coach and you called me coach. Course I didn't coach
in college and now I'm the head coach at at
Green Bay. Where are we with JJ Reddick and the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Honestly, I wish I could tell you specifically where they are.
I know that they're they're they're slow playing.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
This in terms of.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
You know, they want to they want to make sure
that they've at this point since it's you know, it's
just it's just really going to work and who would
they get? And I think this is really vital is
who do you get to fill that staff if you
end up hiring it? I mean, that's that is as
vital as hiring JJ, maybe more vital. I haven't heard
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definitively that he's the guy. I know that that's sort
of being reported. I do think he's He's solidly.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
In the mix.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
But there the here's the big here's the biggest issue
with why there's the uncertainty about where they're going to
go and the fact that they haven't made it susion
yet is because you really do have two different factions
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in that front office. You have the you have the
Kobe faction with Palinka and company, and then you have
the Magic Fact faction with the rambuses and and with
Magic and they still uh you probably put Phil on
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the Kobe side of the equation, and both of those
factions are have an influence on the decision making ultimately
by gene Bas And so that's why these that's why
this takes so long, and it's why it feels like
it's all over the map and their approach because you
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don't have you have warring factions within that, within that
front office, and and so.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You get what you get.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Like the confusion over there is kind of understandable considering
how they're constructed.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Awesome stuff as always, man, really really good. I guess
I'm I guess the question is right is if if
it would Lebron actually look at playing elsewhere?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
I don't see I honestly, I know, you know it's
showing up in Cleveland and and.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
All of that. I find it hard.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
To believe that he would leave for a year or
two to go someplace else. And I don't know, like,
and I've explored this with teams around the league, like
is he going to take I mean teams where he
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would be a contender, he's going to have to play
for forty millions less at least like it's going to
He hasn't played for less than ten million dollars. I
just don't I don't see him doing that. And I
don't see him having the same authority that he has
with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
And it's just moving and living someplace else for a
year or two when his family is is based in
la I still think when when he if he puts
together a list of the pluses and minuses. The ability
to stay in LA and play with Brownie in LA
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still Trump's you know, the idea that he would go
someplace else. I think he wants to leave that uncertainty
in the minds of the Lakers to have a celebrity
if he can. But I just I don't see a
way in which that way in which that happens.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't either, And I know he's playing the game,
but I just wonder if anybody ever calls this bluff.
Nobody has, but I just you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's I mean, everything says not.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But he also, like.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
You know, with the whole JJ thing and where they're
going to go and and and what that means, Like
Lebron's kind of weird in that that he's not overtly
going to tell them this is who I want, but
he's going to let you know if you took if
you pick the guy that he doesn't want, like he'll
he'll make that clear. And so that's what Also another
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element of uncertainty is that it's got kind of a
passive aggressive approach to his influence on a team, which.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Is this whatever you do better please me.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
But I'm not going to tell you exactly what I
what I want to please me, And we'll just see
if you if you get it right, and uh, and
that's you know, that's what it then it then it
gives him plausible deniability in terms of, uh, you know,
if the end up hiring JJ and it's a disaster,
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which like.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
There's there's a possibility it could be, right, Like I
know that you can.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I know that you can draw up place right. I
know you may not have coached in college, but but
I'm not worried about your ability to operate. I mean,
as the son of a coach.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Like you've.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
You know what that job requires and and I have
no question that you can execute those things.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I don't know, like you know, Jaja's smart.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
He understands the nuances of the game. But understanding the
nuances of the game and knowing how to apply them
with your personnel and under certain situations and particularly in games,
that's a whole whole other animal.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
And then there's just.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Being to appeal, being able to appeal to your players
and get the most of them, and be able to
connect to them emotionally and psychologically.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I think I think that's his strength. I think the
question is all the other stuff, right. I think he
can be a relationship guy. He can know, you know,
set sky or whatever. But there's a lot of other
moving parts, a lot of other moving parts. You're the best.
Thanks so much for join us. We'll see you on
Fox Sports one. Thanks for our guests.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
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Speaker 4 (31:05):
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Speaker 2 (31:06):
Excuse me, Fox Sports Radio. We know what this song
is synonymous with? Right, Johnny Drama? Were you into that show?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Jay Stu, I really was. I was into like maybe
the first four or five seasons, and then it became
really douchey.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It did it? It became that show that everyone had
to do a cameo in, like I can't can't cameo right,
cameo show. But if there was a time there where
it was must see, there was a time, without any question,
it was must see. Let's get to a game. Let's
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get to it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
What he got there?
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Chase two.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I'll tell you what, Doug, We've got a great game.
For you. Yeah, Dan Byer created it. He creates all
these games there.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Dan, the game today is big deal, little deal.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
If you want Jason to do it, you know, go
right ahead, classic misspeak.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
A big deal, a little deal, and no deal that
there will be a different NBA champion for the sixth
straight season.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I think it's a big deal. I think's a big deal,
and it does go counter to what everybody always says.
People always say, man, I want parody, I want parody
like our lifetime. There hasn't been parody in the NBA.
I mean there have been dynasties and quasi dynasties right
from the Lakers to the Celtics, to the Pistons to
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the Bulls, even the Rockets winning back to back titles
of course, then the Bulls again. Then I don't know
if the Spurs or a dynasty because an everyone back
to back then he had the heat. Also with the
Lakers again having six different champions in six different years.
That's parody. Kids, that is a big deal. I don't
know if it's a good deal for the league, but
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that's parody.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
It's interesting because the league is just actually always thrived
on big names, whether it be teams or players, and
now it's turning into the NFL a little bit. And
I don't know if it's good to your point, if
it's good for the NBA. Big deal, little deal, or
no deal. That there's a report saying that Lebron isn't
involved in the Lakers coaching search.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think that's a little deal because I think Lebron
is generally not involved in most of these things. But
why won't he just get involved? Because he does that
passive aggressive thing. And Rick Buker talked about it earlier
where he's like, you know, I'm not gonna get involved.
So but you're trying to please him because when he's
not pleased, he just shuts down on things. I mean,
the David bladhire was a disaster, but mostly you know,
(33:57):
he didn't vibe with him, Like, well, if you don't ask,
how are we supposed to know what you want? I'm
supposed to just read your mind? So yeah, it's it's
it's a little deal because it's known, but it's a
big deal because he won't seem to do it.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
I forgot to put this on the script, but I'm
gonna add it because they just.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
SI don't tell people.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You just told people there's a script way to go,
Way to go. Next thing, you're going to tell me
the end NFL is scripted?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It is.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
The big deal, little deal or no deal Jaden McDaniel's
attempted dunk at the end of last night's Game seven
the bounce I bounced to himself. Uh, completely forgot that
and all the hubble A big deal, little deal or
no deal as he maybe tried to pour more salt
than the nuggets wound.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I think it's a big deal. I want to give
a shout out to my man, Clint Parks. So Clint
has worked out Jade and Lowe with his brother as well,
and he's always been a buyer and I always been like, man,
I don't know if he's about to write things. You know,
it was when they when he was coming out. It
was supposed to be, you know, because of his length
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and versatility, but man, was he a dog on defense.
I don't like the it's we know what the move
is called, if you want to look up what Bill
self called the moves when you dunk and you're not
supposed to. But that was it was quite the scene
there late in the game where he tried to dunk
and got that thing blocked at the at the end
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of the game. It was it was, it was unique.
It's uh. I think it's a big deal because it
does show. Uh, it showed that there was a there
was a lot, there was a lot of real negative
energy there at the end of the game.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
Big deal, little deal or no deal that thunderhead coach
Mark Dagne, I'll use the team's final time out to
review the foul on PJ. Washington with two point five
seconds left in Game six on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I think that was a big deal. And it was
a weird call too, write because Shay Gilders Alexander jumped
and his left hand like went over PJ. Washington's head
and only his finger touched the ball, but then on
swiping down he hit him on the arm. It was crazy,
crazy series of play. But it was a big deal
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because if he keeps the time out, they still get
the three free throws, but then the Thunder can advance
the ball and maybe have a chance to win. It's
a big deal, and there's the magic and math to
holding onto that extra timeout.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
Yes, agreed, and I thought it was such a big deal.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
That.
Speaker 9 (36:26):
I led my show yesterday with it with Carrie Rhodes
and just talking about the use of that time out
and how it was just an awful decision, even if
you thought maybe you had a chance, because maybe isn't
enough to use it. I thought it was a huge,
huge deal. And then obviously it would take a lot
to overturn that call and would have put the uh,
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you know, the MAVs in the driver's seat and the thunder.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So let me just let me just ask you, based
upon the information that we had and you can they
can look up and see it on the board, would
you have asked for a review? Would you have?
Speaker 9 (36:59):
No? I wouldn't have used my final timeout. That's the
whole point, because.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
What if there was no If you thought there was
no foul, doesn't matter like it does matter like if
you think there's no foul, then there's no free throws, right.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
I said this, It's not a trump card. It's a
get out of jail free card. That's what a timeout is.
And you you cost yourself that opportunity. I thought it was.
I thought it was a coaching malpractice.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Is that'swards all right?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
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just like we always thought, right, I mean, it kind
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of has an NCAA tournament sort of feel. We have
a final four in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Right oh, it's awesome. Let me tell you. Let me
tell you, but Mike, she's sixty and Roy Williams.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It No, no, no, Dick Vitel, No, that's not what
it is. It's the NBA, right oh, the final four
we got Lebron and we got nope, no, we get.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
The dependent champions and nikolae Yo Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Nope, no, now we do have Luca and the Mavericks
and what was that was an amazing basketball game in
Game six to win in Oklahoma City. We have the
Minnesota Timberwolves, Minnesota timberlives. Yes, now you're not stuttering, that's correct.
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And then we have the Indiana Pacers and the Boston Celtics,
and obviously the Celtics I think are the prohibitive favorite
to win the whole thing. Now I believe like this
could be the the I'm here, I'm the best player
in the world moment for Luca Doncik if he can
win both these next two series. There's a lot to
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get to. And there's Kyrie Irving, who suddenly has become
a leader h a right, And as much as we
want to say, ah, it's hard for me to get
into this series when it's Minnesota and and whatever, Kyrie
against Boston in the finals. And we have the Anthony
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Edwards who continues his kind of NBA playoff takeover. Even
though the shooting wasn't efficient, the defense, the energy, some
of the shot making was pretty spectacular, but I don't
want to bury the lead. I you know, there are
times in which I look at sports and I think
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a lot of people inside sports look at it differently
than the mainstream fan or the hater fan. Right, the
hater fans like, why are you always talking about the Knicks?
And I get it. The steven A thing. It can
be a little much, right, It can be more than
a little much. It can be a lot much. It
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can be a little much. But man, I gotta tell you.
You know, my dad was a New Yorker and every
summer he take me back. And you know, my mom
grew up in Connecticut. He grew up in the Bronx,
moved out to Long Island when he's like thirteen years old,
and we would go to all the places in all
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the parks. And again, remember this is the nineties, and
back in that part of the nineties, the Knicks were
very good. And when Jordan was out of the league
and oj was in the Chase, they were actually in
the NBA Finals. But New York, I mean, they're like
any town. Any town's a front running town. But the
garden has been full for the last twenty five years.
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The Knicks have been good. The Knicks have been bad.
The Knicks have had Carmelo, They've also had Lynsanity. They've
been atrocious. They've been great. The garden has been full.
And what happens is people have been critical of Knicks fans. Hey,
if you really want change, you want James Dolden change,
stop showing up. But they can't. You know why, it's
a basketball town. And whether it was you name the
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coach that has gone there. You've always asked, like, why
would Phil Jackson do it? You know, he played there,
he won a championship there. But the same reason Phil
Jackson did the same reason Rick Patino did it, the
same reason that pat Riley did it. The same and
you saw it in this past series. There is an
energy and a passion in that city for that team
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that is remarkable. And look, obviously there's a little bit
of karma there, right you go, f you to Reggie Miller,
and now Reggie Miller gets to have the last laugh,
and we can sit here and say we know what
the outcome would have been. I mean, plenty of Knicks
fans like you know, Jalen Brunson didn't get hurt. If
you know, like you go through all the basically their
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starting lineup was all out. You would think that the
Knicks would win if they were healthy. But we don't know,
and we don't know if Tom Thibodeau's style can allow
them to be health because he's all gas, no breaks,
all the time. But a blind man can see that
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it's just different in the garden. A blind man can
see that the energy for that team is just different.
And this is not me excusing the fact that there
is a very high dB ratio right, and by dB,
I don't mean defensive back. I think you know what
that an acronym is for. Here's a different, different energy,
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and some of it turns nasty, some of it's not enjoyable.
I get it, I would agree with it, but it
has it's actually better than the Lakers, if you can
believe that. Don't get me wrong. The Lakers are regal.
The Lakers have the same number of championships. The Lakers
are a spectacular franchise historically because you go back through
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the years in different decades from George mike In to
Jerry West, to Magic Johnson, to Kobe Bryant and fir
Sin Shaq and then Kobe and Pale and then obviously
to Lebron like they've had all these different stars, and
they have all the Hollywood stars, but so does New York,
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but New York has this just energy. It's unmistaknable, it's undeniable.
Here's Jalen Brunson talking about the game and the support
of the fans.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
They have been.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Nothing but amazing to myself, to this team, to my family,
and that's really cool. Just so thankful for them and everything,
and the Knights that now we needed energy they provided
for us. And the games on the road when we
need energy, they provided for us. And so they're amazing
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and I can't really put in the words of what
they mean to me, but they deserve much more than
what we were able to do this playoffund they deserve
much more than that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I mean, it's it's what the NBA has been missing, right.
Ask yourself, why why would I watch college basketball? And
remember this is from the voice of a college basketball
head coach, And the answer, you know, the question is,
really why would you watch what's an inferior product in
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terms of the overall talent? And the answer is because
college basketball, usually, especially at its best, possesses an insane
amount of passion, an insane amount of energy. You can
feel it. You feel like the players are playing harder,
and you feel like the fans are cheering harder, and
you feel like you're at like a rock concert, right
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And the NBA, you know they're playing. They got a
DJ playing while they dribble the ball up the floor.
Or of course in New York, they got an organist,
you know, playing the organ while you're walking the ball
at the floor. That's your view of the NBA. The
NBA can be sterile, the NBA can be lame. The
NKBA can be a show where fans just come to
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watch and golf clap. Not New York, Not New York,
the fabric of where that city is. Sure, it's not
like LA. It's arrogant, absolutely, and arrogant for no reason
because they haven't won anything since the sixties. But we're
in New York and you're not. But you get that
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energy and those games felt different. New York games, garden
feed games feel different, and Nick games in the playoffs field.
It's exactly what the NBA needed because you can be
the most ardent hater of the NBA, and there's plenty
of people like, we don't defense the Knicks too. They
don't play with great energy. I mean, I mean, look
(09:05):
at the way Heart plays. I mean, Josh Hart's amazing.
Everything is just dunk or shoot shoot three point shots.
Have you watched Jalen Brunson. So this is not me
saying the wrong team one. I mean, look, they're so
banged up injury wise. I'm sure some of it is TIBs,
some of it's bad luck and the Pacers. I think
Rick Carlisle is an amazing coach. We talked about that
(09:25):
early in earlier shows. But it's undeniable that the NBA
needs the Knicks deep in the playoffs. The playoffs feel
different with them deep in that deepen it and if
the NBA is to ever get back to close to
the standing of previous decades now, back when the NBA
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was king New York, Chicago, La, Boston, they gotta be
in Philly. They gotta be involved.
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So the Nuggets lose in seven games, right, and they
lose to the Minnesota Timberwolves, and I think a lot
of the it's really hard for us to wrap our
heads around the fact that Minnesota's really really good. Right
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Minnesota was the three seed in the West, but they
hadn't accomplished anything in the playoffs. But it's like, look
if I told you they had you know, Rudy Gobert,
and we can make fun of Rudy Gobert and say
how much he hurts them at times and whatever they have.
Rudy Gobert is a former Defensive Player of the Year.
You have Mike Conley, who's a long time just stud
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of a point guard. And then you throw in the
fact that they have Anthony Edwards, and then you throw
in that they have Karl Anthony Towns, and you look
at those names like, Okay, well, I'm a little but
I still think we're struggling with the lack of brand name.
Lack of brand name. I mean, think of the breakthrough
brands in and you're buying cars, right, and we were
(11:14):
always it's like Kia. When the Kia Luxury ones or
the Hyundai's, it's very hard for us to fathom that huh,
I could buy a Mercedes or I could buy a Lexus,
or I could buy a Cadillac, or I could buy
a Kia. But at some point in time, who makes
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the actual best car. But Jason Stewart told me that
he thought the Nuggets choked, and I thought that was interesting. Jayce,
do what what about the Nuggets makes you say they choked?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Starting at ten minutes left on the third quarter yesterday
when they were up twenty, that's when the choke starts.
I'm not saying the series was a choke. They were
down two games to nothing that it was pretty remarkable
that they even came back, But the actual choke job
occurred yesterday when they're up twenty in the third quarter,
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with the best player in the world at home, they
had all the championship experience. If you're going to acknowledge choke,
a choke job is a thing in sports, because I
know a lot of athletes don't want to acknowledge that.
But if you're going to, if you're going to have
choke in the vernacular in sports, if that isn't a choke,
then what is.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I guess the problem with calling it a choke is
did they play poorly because of the pressure, or did
they play poorly because the other team, right, like, the
other team plays a factor in there. A choke is
by okay, So I'll give you my definition of a
choke and you tell me if you're okay with the definition.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Fair, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
A choke is when the pressure of the moment is
what causes you to perform far below your normal level
of success.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That is whence the pressure of the moment causes you
to perform at a lower level than we are accustomed to.
And what makes Derek Jeter, for example, one of the
all time greats, is not actually because of the plays
that he's made, you know, the famous plays he's made
in the playoffs. It's because Derek Jeter's batting average is
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exactly the same in the regular season as it is
historically in the postseason. In other words, it doesn't matter
the pressure. He's the same guy. So I guess the
question is losing a twenty point lead with ten minutes
to go in the third quarter and ultimately getting kind
sort of run out of your own building. Was it
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because of the pressure or was it because they don't
have a very good bench. The other team's really good.
They ran a little gas. I think it's a really
fair question. But do you like my definition of choke?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I do?
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I do.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And then I think if you take like the biggest
choke job in the history of sports, maybe uh Jean
van der Veld's choke job in the ninety nine Open Championship,
there was somebody behind him making shots. I mean, there's
always going to be a factor of the other people
playing well.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, but this is because they're actually playing defense. They're
actually trying to stop you. I mean, look to me,
the Nuggets lost this thing when Bruce Brown was gone
and they never figured out their bench. Their bench gave
him nothing. When they have five points off their bench,
they just can't do it. You can't do it. They
don't have the ability to play differently, and they became
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too dependent upon Aaron Gordon, who at times last year
at times this year proved to be kind of that
third star guy, but he wasn't. And I'd also give
a ton of credit to Minnesota, which where their roster
was constructed in a way that felt like specifically designed
to beat the to beat the Nuggets. So I don't
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view it as a choke. I don't beat it when
you win. Look, they won three games on the Nuggets
home floor. Three games. I thought that the size and
length and activity gave Jamal Murray fits, especially late yesterday.
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I did think. I thought that some of these lulls
we had seen before, if you go back, even the
Lakers series in game four, should have wanted to think
in Game four and they just they kind of played
with their food and then they just don't have the
ability to go to the bench and get anything. All right,
let's talk to NBA hoop with one of my all
time faves. He's one and only, Rick Buker of course,
Fox Sports, Fox Sports one, fox Sports dot Com, and
(15:58):
he joins us now on the Doug Guy Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Bukeum, in your crystal ball, did you
see Minnesota, Dallas, Indie, Boston as our final four?
Speaker 6 (16:15):
No? No, I did not.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
I Going into those series, coach I had there you go.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It does slide off the tongue, it does, it does.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
I thought there was.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Look, I thought there was.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
The longer that series, the New York Indiana series went,
the more likely it was that Indiana was going to
win the series. All things equal, I expected New York
to be in the conference finals, and I and I
thought it's full force, they were capable of getting to
the finals. But TIB's never never adjusted to what Rick
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Carlisle Carlo is.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
He's an evil genius.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
I mean he basically was like, I know you, TIBs,
I know I know what you're going to do. I'm
gonna dare you not to play six players. We're gonna
play fast, We're gonna run it, even make er miss,
We're gonna run it. I'm gonna play a deep rotation
and we'll see if your guys can hold up to
are playing the same pace we did during the regular season.
(17:16):
And uh, and eventually we saw saw what we saw.
So Dallas, Yeah, I thought Dallas would would beat Oklahoma City.
I did not expect Minnesota beat Denver. And I rewatched
the game, uh this morning, and and I've just blown
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away by Denver, just ran out of gas.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
And they they looked like they.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
Were out of gas at various points through these playoffs.
Like I thought against the Lakers, I thought it was boredom,
and then I don't think it was.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I don't think it's boredom. I think they I mean,
I think they lost because of their bench.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
Can I think definitely their bench construction, and then Minnesota
compounded that by the fact that they could throw three
seven foot type guys at Jokic and nobody like Jamal
Murray fried. He wasn't going to get anything done against
Anthony Edwards or Jade McDaniels. That was a lost proposition.
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Aaron Gordon wasn't. They needed him to be special and
he wasn't. I thought the turning, like the psychological turning
point was with what like four or five seconds on
the shot box, Minnesota inbounds it. They're up by two.
They inbound it and Rudy Gobert takes a fall away
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fifteen foot jumper that I've never seen him. Prayer, let's
make he gets nothing but met and then they go
to the other end and Aaron Gordon has a dunk
that that Karl Anthony Towns prevents from going from going
down and in Minnesota recovers. And I thought right there,
from that point on, Minnesota just looked like the fresher,
(19:07):
more energetic teams, and and so you're right. I mean,
ultimately it was their bench, and I would say their
their lack of size, like Carlington town didn't have to
do everything because Nasri could give you something Rudy Gobert
could give you something outside of Jokic. I just didn't
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see anybody, anybody stepping up and giving him that second
star to get it done.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
No, I didn't. I didn't see that. I didn't see
that one either. Rick Buker joined us here on the
Doug Otlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. It could be me, okay,
And I feel like that what we saw from the
Knicks fan base, and I understand the people. I was
(19:59):
ESPN talking so much about the Knicks. That's the energy
in that market that this league so desperately desires. That's
the reason that That's the reason Phil Jackson went there,
That's the reason Carmelo wanted to go there. That's the
reason like you picked for the last Yeah, I mean,
pat Riley, you name, you name all the different coaches
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that have because the guy who wins there will be
in in the the lore for New York. But can
can Tibbs You mentioned how stubborn he is? Can Tibbs
win there? Considering this is at the end of the day,
who he is?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Yeah, I don't see how It's not. It's not Tibbs
per se, It's Tibbs approach. Yeah, and I think he
I think he gets teams to overachieve. And I think
Jalen Brunston is the perfect Jalen Brunson, Jimmy Butler, those
are the perfect stars for Tom Thibodeau because they are
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overachievers and they are grinders, and that's the kind of
team that works best with TIDS. I honestly don't know
if kids can coach talent, temperamental talent, the kind of
temperamental talent that ultimately you need to some level to.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Win a championship.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
And I give him credit and that, I don't know
that they get to where they are and have the
season that they had and are the number two seed
all of that without him creating the culture and the
approach that he had and those guys just being so
about in pledging allegiance to TIDS. But I don't know
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that that formula and that approach wins you a championship.
I think it makes you an overachiever. I think it
makes you a team that a city takes pride in
because it's kind of got a blue blue collar underdog
type feel to it, or you're talking about winning a
ring like Honestly, I don't know how you feel. But
(22:14):
I thought what was damning is that when he injuries
forced him to go into his bench, you were reminded, Hey,
you know what Alex Berton play like pressures that chewit
can do some things for you. Why did you have
to play a six and a half man rotation? And
then what was even funnier is he loses he loses
(22:36):
his guys, some of his guys, and he's got to
go into his bench and he still plays the six
and a half rotation Like it was, I'm not willing
to play this many guys. I was wondering if it
got to the point where like didn't have enough guys
to have five like, or didn't he he didn't have
the guys that he wanted to play. He just goes,
screw it, I'm gonna play four guys. I like, I'm
only gonna play the four guys I want to play.
(22:59):
So that's that's where the fact that he has not
changed at all over the years has in one way
work for him. But I think that it has a
shelf life where it has a ceiling that you cannot
break going through that, going that approach. I actually I'm
writing a story about this because I asked one of
(23:20):
my NBA confidentials for Fox Sports dot Com and asking
people around the league, like, you quit Gibbs for their
success or do you blame him? Whether it ultimately fell
apart right? And it's funny because it actually was mixed,
(23:42):
like people gave him his flowers and one DM who
was like, he wouldn't he wouldn't even necessarily equate the
injuries with the approach, she said. I don't know if
if it's totally fakeer do that, he said, but I
(24:04):
would never have my guy do it, like I would never.
I would never allow my coach to take that approach.
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Awesome stuff. Rick Buger joining us here on the Doug
Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Let's get to the
coach and you called me coach. Course I didn't coach
in college and now I'm the head coach at at
Green Bay. Where are we with JJ Reddick and the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Honestly, I wish I could tell you specifically where they are.
I know that they're they're they're slow playing.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
This in terms of.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
You know, they want to they want to make sure
that they've at this point since it's you know, it's
just it's just really going to work and who would
they get? And I think this is really vital is
who do you get to fill that staff if you
end up hiring it? I mean, that's that is as
vital as hiring JJ, maybe more vital. I haven't heard
(25:01):
definitively that he's the guy. I know that that's sort
of being reported. I do think he's He's solidly.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
In the mix.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
But there the here's the big here's the biggest issue
with why there's the uncertainty about where they're going to
go and the fact that they haven't made it susion
yet is because you really do have two different factions
(25:30):
in that front office. You have the you have the
Kobe faction with Palinka and company, and then you have
the Magic Fact faction with the rambuses and and with
Magic and they still uh you probably put Phil on
(25:50):
the Kobe side of the equation, and both of those
factions are have an influence on the decision making ultimately
by gene Bas And so that's why these that's why
this takes so long, and it's why it feels like
it's all over the map and their approach because you
(26:15):
don't have you have warring factions within that, within that
front office, and and so.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You get what you get.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Like the confusion over there is kind of understandable considering
how they're constructed.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Awesome stuff as always, man, really really good. I guess
I'm I guess the question is right is if if
it would Lebron actually look at playing elsewhere?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
I don't see I honestly, I know, you know it's
showing up in Cleveland and and.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
All of that. I find it hard.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
To believe that he would leave for a year or
two to go someplace else. And I don't know, like,
and I've explored this with teams around the league, like
is he going to take I mean teams where he
(27:17):
would be a contender, he's going to have to play
for forty millions less at least like it's going to
He hasn't played for less than ten million dollars. I
just don't I don't see him doing that. And I
don't see him having the same authority that he has
with the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
And it's just moving and living someplace else for a
year or two when his family is is based in
la I still think when when he if he puts
together a list of the pluses and minuses. The ability
to stay in LA and play with Brownie in LA
(27:58):
still Trump's you know, the idea that he would go
someplace else. I think he wants to leave that uncertainty
in the minds of the Lakers to have a celebrity
if he can. But I just I don't see a
way in which that way in which that happens.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't either, And I know he's playing the game,
but I just wonder if anybody ever calls this bluff.
Nobody has, but I just you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's I mean, everything says not.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
But he also, like.
Speaker 7 (28:35):
You know, with the whole JJ thing and where they're
going to go and and and what that means, Like
Lebron's kind of weird in that that he's not overtly
going to tell them this is who I want, but
he's going to let you know if you took if
you pick the guy that he doesn't want, like he'll
he'll make that clear. And so that's what Also another
(28:58):
element of uncertainty is that it's got kind of a
passive aggressive approach to his influence on a team, which.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Is this whatever you do better please me.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
But I'm not going to tell you exactly what I
what I want to please me, And we'll just see
if you if you get it right, and uh, and
that's you know, that's what it then it then it
gives him plausible deniability in terms of, uh, you know,
if the end up hiring JJ and it's a disaster,
(29:31):
which like.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
There's there's a possibility it could be, right, Like I
know that you can.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I know that you can draw up place right. I
know you may not have coached in college, but but
I'm not worried about your ability to operate. I mean,
as the son of a coach.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Like you've.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
You know what that job requires and and I have
no question that you can execute those things.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I don't know, like you know, Jaja's smart.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
He understands the nuances of the game. But understanding the
nuances of the game and knowing how to apply them
with your personnel and under certain situations and particularly in games,
that's a whole whole other animal.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
And then there's just.
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Being to appeal, being able to appeal to your players
and get the most of them, and be able to
connect to them emotionally and psychologically.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I think I think that's his strength. I think the
question is all the other stuff, right. I think he
can be a relationship guy. He can know, you know,
set sky or whatever. But there's a lot of other
moving parts, a lot of other moving parts. You're the best.
Thanks so much for join us. We'll see you on
Fox Sports one. Thanks for our guests.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gotti Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Excuse me, Fox Sports Radio. We know what this song
is synonymous with? Right, Johnny Drama? Were you into that show?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Jay Stu, I really was. I was into like maybe
the first four or five seasons, and then it became
really douchey.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
It did it? It became that show that everyone had
to do a cameo in, like I can't can't cameo right,
cameo show. But if there was a time there where
it was must see, there was a time, without any question,
it was must see. Let's get to a game. Let's
(31:50):
get to it.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
What he got there?
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Chase two.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I'll tell you what, Doug, We've got a great game.
For you. Yeah, Dan Byer created it. He creates all
these games there.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Dan, the game today is big deal, little deal.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
If you want Jason to do it, you know, go
right ahead, classic misspeak.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
A big deal, a little deal, and no deal that
there will be a different NBA champion for the sixth
straight season.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I think it's a big deal. I think's a big deal,
and it does go counter to what everybody always says.
People always say, man, I want parody, I want parody
like our lifetime. There hasn't been parody in the NBA.
I mean there have been dynasties and quasi dynasties right
from the Lakers to the Celtics, to the Pistons to
(32:51):
the Bulls, even the Rockets winning back to back titles
of course, then the Bulls again. Then I don't know
if the Spurs or a dynasty because an everyone back
to back then he had the heat. Also with the
Lakers again having six different champions in six different years.
That's parody. Kids, that is a big deal. I don't
know if it's a good deal for the league, but
(33:12):
that's parody.
Speaker 9 (33:14):
It's interesting because the league is just actually always thrived
on big names, whether it be teams or players, and
now it's turning into the NFL a little bit. And
I don't know if it's good to your point, if
it's good for the NBA. Big deal, little deal, or
no deal. That there's a report saying that Lebron isn't
involved in the Lakers coaching search.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think that's a little deal because I think Lebron
is generally not involved in most of these things. But
why won't he just get involved? Because he does that
passive aggressive thing. And Rick Buker talked about it earlier
where he's like, you know, I'm not gonna get involved.
So but you're trying to please him because when he's
not pleased, he just shuts down on things. I mean,
the David bladhire was a disaster, but mostly you know,
(33:57):
he didn't vibe with him, Like, well, if you don't ask,
how are we supposed to know what you want? I'm
supposed to just read your mind? So yeah, it's it's
it's a little deal because it's known, but it's a
big deal because he won't seem to do it.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
I forgot to put this on the script, but I'm
gonna add it because they just.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
SI don't tell people.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
You just told people there's a script way to go,
Way to go. Next thing, you're going to tell me
the end NFL is scripted?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It is.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 9 (34:22):
The big deal, little deal or no deal Jaden McDaniel's
attempted dunk at the end of last night's Game seven
the bounce I bounced to himself. Uh, completely forgot that
and all the hubble A big deal, little deal or
no deal as he maybe tried to pour more salt
than the nuggets wound.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I think it's a big deal. I want to give
a shout out to my man, Clint Parks. So Clint
has worked out Jade and Lowe with his brother as well,
and he's always been a buyer and I always been like, man,
I don't know if he's about to write things. You know,
it was when they when he was coming out. It
was supposed to be, you know, because of his length
(35:05):
and versatility, but man, was he a dog on defense.
I don't like the it's we know what the move
is called, if you want to look up what Bill
self called the moves when you dunk and you're not
supposed to. But that was it was quite the scene
there late in the game where he tried to dunk
and got that thing blocked at the at the end
(35:27):
of the game. It was it was, it was unique.
It's uh. I think it's a big deal because it
does show. Uh, it showed that there was a there
was a lot, there was a lot of real negative
energy there at the end of the game.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
Big deal, little deal or no deal that thunderhead coach
Mark Dagne, I'll use the team's final time out to
review the foul on PJ. Washington with two point five
seconds left in Game six on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I think that was a big deal. And it was
a weird call too, write because Shay Gilders Alexander jumped
and his left hand like went over PJ. Washington's head
and only his finger touched the ball, but then on
swiping down he hit him on the arm. It was crazy,
crazy series of play. But it was a big deal
(36:12):
because if he keeps the time out, they still get
the three free throws, but then the Thunder can advance
the ball and maybe have a chance to win. It's
a big deal, and there's the magic and math to
holding onto that extra timeout.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
Yes, agreed, and I thought it was such a big deal.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
That.
Speaker 9 (36:26):
I led my show yesterday with it with Carrie Rhodes
and just talking about the use of that time out
and how it was just an awful decision, even if
you thought maybe you had a chance, because maybe isn't
enough to use it. I thought it was a huge,
huge deal. And then obviously it would take a lot
to overturn that call and would have put the uh,
(36:48):
you know, the MAVs in the driver's seat and the thunder.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So let me just let me just ask you, based
upon the information that we had and you can they
can look up and see it on the board, would
you have asked for a review? Would you have?
Speaker 9 (36:59):
No? I wouldn't have used my final timeout. That's the
whole point, because.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
What if there was no If you thought there was
no foul, doesn't matter like it does matter like if
you think there's no foul, then there's no free throws, right.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
I said this, It's not a trump card. It's a
get out of jail free card. That's what a timeout is.
And you you cost yourself that opportunity. I thought it was.
I thought it was a coaching malpractice.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Is that'swards all right?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
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