June 12, 2024 • 30 mins
Doug shares his personal memories of Jerry West as the sports icon passed away at the age of 86. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take on Aaron Rodgers. Plus, Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottl Show. Here in
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Welcome in. I understand when you download this you're used to. Uh. Look,
we have fun on the pod. We no holds barred.
We can say what we want to do we want.
I've said this with no bullshit in my voice that
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I love. This has been my favorite part of working
at Fox Sports Radio is the freedom that my bosses
have given me on this podcast. And I hate doing
what everybody else does, but everybody else is kind of
right in this sense. And that Jerry West passed away
today and I'm not gonna do a memoriam. I'm not
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gonna sit here and read his accomplishments. Although there's lots
of parts of Jerry West's life that you don't know
about because it's probably not something you've really cared about.
And for me, it's like he gave me one of
the greatest honors anyone can give. And I'll get to
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that in a second. I worked forty four not technically
because of him, but it didn't hurt right because he
was kind of the original forty four obviously. I think
by now most people know he's the logo of the
NBA says a lot to Jerry West. That was special.
You know. By now, I'm sure you know he's the
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only player to be named Finals MVP who didn't win
the actual finals. I mean, just a remarkable athlete. And
I tweeted this morning, I meaning he's the he's the
greatest basketball man in the history of basketball. What's that mean? Well,
he's in any conversation of being the greatest executive. He
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was also a tremendous evaluator, and as people know, he
was an all time great player. But here's the last thing.
He knew himself on a multitude of levels, you know,
like when pat Riley became coach of the Lakers, it
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could have and probably should have been Jerry West's job,
and for a while he was actually the head coach.
But it wasn't. That wasn't what he wanted. That didn't
you know. The expression that I've used is it didn't
get as you know what hard the morning, right, that
wasn't who he was. He He had a lot of
internal strife and conflict in his own in his own
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heart right from growing up really hard to scrabble in
West Virginia. But he just didn't want to coach. That
wasn't so if anything, that makes me think more of
him because so many of us, myself included it not
necessarily my jobs now, but previous jobs. Like I'll figure
it out, you know, it's about what I want to do.
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It's around the thing I want to be around. I'll
just I'll figure it out as I go. And that's
not really technically how the world works. It's just not
you know, the world does not work where you just
like I'll figure it out. You know. The way it
really works is when you find something you're passionate about
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and being willing to say no to things you're not
passionate about. But I mean, Jerry West was amazing, so
so look, why would I say he's the greatest executive ever.
Remember it's not just evaluating Kobe Bryant, which is I
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mean a keen eye in terms of evaluation, but there's
so much more to it. Remember, he built several dynasties
for the Lakers in terms of understanding players, value, understanding
people that put that that were put together. He did
the same thing with the Memphis Grizzlies. There long, but
the Grizzlies were kind of the laughing stock, and he
stabilized them in many ways. Stabilize them. How again, player evaluation.
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It takes a special eye at that level to be
able to evaluate players and people and what fits together.
And I understand, you know, obviously he gets probably a
little bit more credit than he wants or thoughts he
deserved with the Golden State Warriors, But make no mistake
about it, when they built that dynasty, he was at
least a special advisor. What does it say about the
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Clippers though, that here's the guy that's been advising the
Clippers and they still haven't been able to get over
the hump. But let's also be honest, the Clippers are
way better than they've ever been previously. I was honored
to have lunch with him once. But the greatest honor
he ever gave me was I had never met him before.
And he came to ESPN and he did what's called
the car wash, where you go around and you meet
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everybody and you do everybody's show. And he stopped and
pulled me aside and said, I really enjoy listening to
you talk about basketball. It's refreshing to hear people who
know what they're talking about and are able to articulate,
and kind of a friendship spawn there. I know of
a bunch of other basketball people he's had lunch with
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in the last five to ten years, and everyone says
the same thing. It's like one of the most amazing moments.
Or you're sitting there across from Jerry West and he
just likes to talk about people in basketball and life.
So Jerry West passed away today. The people don't know
how great an athlete he was. He was an unbelievable
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jump shooter, an unbelievable competitor, and a tremendous teammate. He
always told people that Elgin Baylor was the greatest Laker
he'd ever played, with taking all credit and giving it
to Elgin Baylor. He was a conflicted guy in so
many parts of his life, but man was he special
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when it came to understanding, evaluating, and putting together basketball
teamsdition to being a great player. And then the last
part is that he knew what he didn't want to do.
He didn't want to coach, and that's why he handed
over those duties to pat Riley.
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Speaker 2 (06:24):
Every day of this time the Doug Gotlieb Show. Here
on Fox Sports Trader, we played for you a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Tradio and Fox
Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick. He had an emotional reaction
to the passing of his friend Jerry West.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Jerry West has passed away at the age of eighty six.
He was the logo and certainly a friend of the show.
We tried to have him on, he'd be mad at
me if I was emotional, He like, what are you
crying about. We tried to have him on recently and
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he wasn't feeling well. I think he had a cold
or the flu, and his wife said, you know, try again.
I think the last time we had him on was
a little little less than a year ago. And you know,
he's a front of the show and integral part of
the show. Came on many, many, many times, joined us
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in studio a couple of times when we were in
Los Angeles, but listen stuff. Yeah, Paulie helped me out.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I just gotta tell you, man, we found out about
three or four minutes before you did. Sometimes we get
information before you and none of us in this room
wanted to walk over and tell you this. We were
waiting for the break. And man, I know how important
this guy was to you. I mean, we talk about
Walter Payton for me or everyone has an athlete that
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and I think work on the show a long time.
I'm sure he was your hero, your dad's and then
and we saw a couple of times, maybe about ten
years ago he started coming on the show and he
was sitting there with you and talking basket ball, and
I could tell that you were like kind of giddy,
like I can't believe.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Well I saw my dad. Yeah, and I think they
were similar age.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Jerry walked out one day and he goes, thank you,
my friend, and I could see.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Yeah, that's that's not something that's supposed to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it's it's something when it's it's it's really something
when you uh, when there's somebody who this is. This
is how I felt about it, which is like I
told you what he said to me about my coverage
of basketball and how much it meant to me, and
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when I had lunch with him, how special it was,
and how he'd say, like we should play golf sometime,
like let's do it, you know, you know, to play
golf with Jerry Jerry West. And I obviously, you know
my dad passed, and obviously Dan relates to that as well.
And then you know, like we all you feel like
you're getting older, right, you're talking about Jerry freaking West.
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But I get it. I get it for Dan. I mean,
Dan is an absolute legend in this business. And even
legends have heroes, they have icons. That's who Jerry West is.
Here's Paul Pierce talking about the Celtics.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I think it feels up to Porzingis. He would play,
but I think since they're gonna leave it in a
medical staff's hands, will probably see him set out one game.
But to check this out, when Porzingis misses games, we're
nine and one in the playoffs, regular season twenty one
and four. That makes us thirty and five without Berzingis.
Am I worried a little bit because he just adds
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such a dimension that we.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Don't have did he not change Game one in the.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Hey, definitely changed Game one. He came in and was
impactful in his minutes in Game two. But in saying
that the Celtics are comfortable without him on the line,
enough skip. I mean they've played a lot a portion
of the season without them. They played most of the
playoffs without them. It's not a demoralizing blow, you know,
like when when Kadi went down in the finals, that
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could demoralize you sit there like, oh my goodness, but they,
like Worzingis went down, They're like, we got this, okay.
We were used to playing without them. It's their business.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
The part that Paul's not mentioning it is mentioning, is yes,
they played most of the playoffs without him. They weren't
nearly as good without him. Right, it's a different team,
And yeah, I don't think it's demoralizing, but it's definitely
different and you have to change your approach. You lack
rim protection and it makes al Horford have to play
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more minutes. As well as the fact that when al
Horford's out, now you're a completely different team. Now you
completely different team. So it you know that obviously Luca
being banged up means the Mavericks feel like they don't
have a lot of hope. But when you take perzingis
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out at just the right moment to where maybe they
could get through three and four and tie this series up,
Suddenly there's life the Dallas Mavericks. Here's Colin Cowher talking
about Aaron Rodgers YBS.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
An event was told last night from a source. I
trust Aaron's on vacation and it's overseas. I'm also told
you'll learn about where he's at tomorrow. Don't want to
burn my source. I'm told you'll learn about it tomorrow.
Maybe he is at an event. Can't believe there's something
overseas that would take seven, eight nine days. Again, maybe they.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Have a music festival.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
But the point is, don't be surprised by this. This
is sort of what you would expect. Impulsive owner, new
GM coach with the losing record, prickly older at times,
get disconnected quarterback in New York City, with a pretty
relentless and inarguably massive press corps. This is what you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Get, no question, no question. I think I think Colin
has been all over this one, and I've been, and
so too have viewed Jason Stewart, whereas I've been like ah,
when I heard it was a day, that's one thing.
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And now he's out for all of camp and like
just Aaron is one of these guys that is has
the curse of intelligence. He's smart, but he thinks he
knows everything. And you know remember last year in the
preseason where he was all about everything New York, everything
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the Jets, every waking moment, Jets are in something New York.
Now he's disappeared after your won you re rest of
the meme, regressed the me. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
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Speaker 2 (13:15):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Hey, Doug, you have given birth to Generation Z kids.
I have as well. We have Generation Z on this staff.
So I don't really want to offend anybody, but they
could be just fought out morons. This generation. This was
making the rounds on social media recently. It is a
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Generation Z woman wondering why her work would not put
up with her tardiness.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
So I just got yelled at for asking a very
reasonable question. So I'm applying to go somewhere, and I
just wanted to know are their accommodations for people who
struggle with time blindness and being on time?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
You know?
Speaker 9 (14:09):
And then the person I was with interrupted and acted
like I was asking something else, and then when we
were done, they actually started yelling at me and saying
that accommodations for time blindness doesn't exist, and if you
struggle to being on time, you'll never be able to
get a job, you know, provided you're trying your absolute
pest to be there. And then they're like, your stupid
generation wants to destroy the workplace, And yeah, I think
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that a culture where workers are just cut off because
they struggled with being on time when there's other solutions
that we can look to. I think that just anybody
who thinks it's okay to just treat people like that, yeah,
that culture needs to be dismantled. And then I ask
that person, how can you feel good about yourself upholding
this kind of system, and then to think I'm entitled. No,
if people think it's okay to treat others like this,
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that's entitlement.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Who is it?
Speaker 5 (14:59):
It's just some checked on TikTok that went viral Generation
Z twenty something. So she came up with a term dog.
I don't know if you heard it among all the
rantings time blindness. People who suffer from time blindness need
to be given a break by their employer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
What do you what do you consider this generation? Like?
I consider it the most selfish generation ever. And when
I say selfish, and look, as you guys know, I
have some time blindness, I have some timely issues. But
what I've come to understand and try to do a
better job of is like I'm so consumed with trying
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to do everything for everybody. But how it, how it
maybe how it feels to others, is that I'm selfish
because I'm only worried about myself and my own time
and not considered their own time. And yeah, time blindness whatever,
Like good luck in the fucking job if you can't
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be on time.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
But she wants the she wants the system, the economic system,
to forgive time blindness.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Things don't work that way.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Time blindness just means that they're attempting to make up
a term or a word.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How do we get so completely screwed up?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
It was a it was an over correction by Generation
X with our kids.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is that it is? Yeah, people were too harsh with
us and so we're trying to be We're trying to be.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Easier, overprotective, overbearing, overcomplimentary, and then you come up with
at some point it results and someone saying time blindness
should be accepted. So do you know who David Dennis
Junior is?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Uh, yes, vaguely. I know he's I saw some of
the stuff because he's on that first take.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It was the show called He's one of the ESPN
reporters on Around the Horn. So he said this about
Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
The problem here is, and what concerns me going forward,
is those people on the fringe that do exist, that
are in real life, not just Internet trolls, politicians, pundit
to people of the light who are using Caitlyn Clark
as an avatar to lash out at the people who
they have disdained for mainly the makeup of the WNBA
Black women at all, and they are using her to
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go against Team USA. What happened was going to happen
in Team You say that is going to be the
big tragedy. Here is the way that they are treated
by those people come this summer.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I think he gave away his cards in the first
the first sentence.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, here's his he's work for. He went to Morehouse,
the incredible school, right. He works for The Atlantic, The Undefeated,
The Washington Post, and The huff Post. He frequently writes
about Black American culture and the intersection of race, politics,
civil rights, sports, and entertainment. In other words, my man
is all about the movement. And uh yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
That's the that's the least annoying part about this. Yeah,
I understand the movement and I understand all that, but
he does away his cards, and I think, like in
an election year, you hear about this a lot. He
says in the first sentence that he's afraid of the fringe,
and like, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That that's he's on the fringe.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
That's a problem with I think American politics, the each
side are represented by the fringe to the in the
eyes of the other side, if you imagine walking around
the other fringe.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, look, here's I will disagree with you in
that I think the fringe is kind of scary. Both
fringes left and right. The problem is he's afraid of
the fringe. He's actually afraid of himself, right, Like, if
you want to equate the Caitlin Clark thing to Caitlin
Clark fans being anti black, like, you're fucked up. Like
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this is what's happened with the There's like a confluence
of events, right, Trump getting elected, COVID and then you
had the all the summer of protests with the Floyd murder,
and all of those have made the fringes and social
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media as well, because social media, if he makes you
feel like the fringes are more mainstream and they're not. Okay,
here's the here's what you need to know. There's a study, God,
I gotta think it's one of the big statistical analysis groups.
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There's a study that ninety three percent of all social
media posts are made by six percent of the population.
That six percent is all fringe people. So he lives
his life as many young people do, through the lens
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of social media, and they think that's how real life works,
and it doesn't. Okay, in real life, there's this sense
that Okay, first of all, if you're denying the fact
that the WNBA is I don't even know the racial breakdown,
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but I actually think the racial breakdown is far less
black than anybody thinks. But it has been alternative lifestyle, right,
it just has. I mean, nobody's in denial of it.
And it feels like somebody who claims there's constantly a
race and culture war. That's what this man does is
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trying to create a cultural war out of this, and
I just we all want to make it, like so
many of these people want to make it about race,
and it's just not. I mean, it's just not. Sabrina
Ynescu and Kelsey Plum were both great players in college,
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great right there in any conversation with Kaitlin Clark, they
didn't have the following of Caitlin Clark. They did not. Uh,
they also weren't necessarily they weren't. I don't know if
they weren't treated this way or we didn't cover them
so it didn't feel like they were treated this way.
But it's crazy, like the the ethnic background of the
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WNBA in the all time great WNBA players is really
split in terms of white and black, and there's other
layers to that. We can do that more in like
a basketball podcast, but that guy's fucked up. That's what
I think. I just I'll be honest with you. I
loved working at ESPN. I did. I had zero issues,
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and I want to believe I want to believe that. Again,
the truth about ESPN is just like the truth about
mainstream people. Most of us are in the middle. And
what let's not overreact to the fringes, but like, why
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is he on a sports show if he's a woke
columnist that all he wants to talk about is the
intersection of race and politics with sports and entertainment. What
qualifies him on any level? And I guess you could say, well,
that's always been a show that's had writers, correct sports columnists,
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that's what it was designed for. And once we have
political activists, which is what he is. He's a political
activist who's also a journalist. Okay, but he does lack
the journalistic integrity. And when I say journalistic integrity, he like, again,
why was there not any of this in regards to
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Kelsey Plumb, who's white, who's straight, who's an all time
great player? Why was there not any of this with
Sabrina Escue, who's white, who's straight, who's an all time
great player? You're making connections that don't exist. You're creating
a race war that doesn't actually exist. Do I think
that there are black women in the NBA who who
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are racists? I absolutely do. And all you're doing is
stoking that flame because you're making it out like people
who like Caitlin Clark are somehow there's somehow race is involved. Like, dude,
she's girl next door. She's girl next door who's from
Iowa and took them to the National Championship Game twice
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as the all time leading scorer in women's college basketball history,
Like what about the story is not to like? And
oh yeah, by the way, she plays like Steph Curry,
who's everybody's favorite player. I just I can't help you,
and it makes me sick to my stomach. I also
don't like the fringe right wingers like I love like
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Clay is a friend of mine, but OutKick making it
out to be that all these all these women black
women are racist because they don't like Cli clerkic. I
don't think that's what it is. I just think they're
jealous of the attention she's getting. I think it's really
that simple. I think it's really that immature. You know,
women have always been We've always been told women are
two years ahead in maturity of men, right, That's why
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women can date down because they're really have to date up,
can date older men because they're more mature and they
match more with the maturity of it. But the reality
is in the sports land escape they because they haven't
gone through any of the normal amount of coverage when
they're growing up, they don't know how to deal with it.
That's just a reality to it. I don't think this
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to be the case. I know it to be the case.
It's the classic double standard that we see, which is
and this you know, I look, I voted for Hillary Clinton.
I'm not scared to you know, I'm not scared to
admit it. But her campaign irritated the shit out of
me because anytime you were critical of Hillary Clinton and
any of her policies or any of her background or whatever.
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I don't give a shit about the emails and the
email server, I don't care. What I did care about
was the fact that anytime you were critical of her,
it became sexism, which is which is what like, No,
we're critical of all politicians, all of them. So anyway,
I'm sorry David Dennis Junior. I don't know why he's
covering sports. He's not. He's a He's a political activist,
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that's what he is.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
There should be a rule on those shows if you
if you wake up afraid of the other fringe, then
you can't have a voice on our network. I'm not
for censoring, I'm not for deplatforming, but like I, I
don't see how that angle has a place in this conversation.
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He actually said, I fear the fringe uses her as
an avatar to harass the general makeup of the w
n b A. He actually uttered that that that sentence,
Oh so, I guess you're annoying takes a similar tone
today Jason locking FORA, here's a problem. Jason locking FORA.
(26:43):
For most of my career was kind of like a newsbreaker.
I'm guessing you had your you've crossed paths over at CBS.
He claims to be on Twitter a reporter, as one
of the descriptions in his his bio, he's a reporter.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
He came out today and said and wrote, if only
Aaron Rodgers cared about football as much as he did
conspiracy theories and anti science, the Jets might have a
fighting chance. Oh well, same as it ever was. That's
not a real that's that's not a journalistic report. That's
that's an opinion. That is a very one sided opinion.
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I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a lightning rod I know,
and he pisses a lot of people off, But like,
what is journalistic about that tweet? Doug?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I like Jason a lot I do as a guy.
When Trump was elected, he lost his mind. He lost
his mine. That's really what happened. And it sucks because
he's good at covering football. He was one of the
first because he's in the I think Baltimore area. One
(27:53):
of the first to call out is Dan Steiner was
the old owner of the Washington football team or Commanders
or whatever that you know, the Redskins. You know, he was.
He's very, very, very liberal in his political biases, and
he allowed to creep into his work and it sucks.
I don't think I don't think he was he replaced
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at CBS.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Uh yeah, oh yeah, he was replaced a couple of
years ago. I forget the gentleman that does the CBS
today hits, but this has nothing to do with politics.
The best nickname I've ever heard given to One of
these guys was Jason Walkin for at some point he
was called Jason walk Confirma because he was always the
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insider that confirmed the other insider's story.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
There's there's a there's a I won't I won't comment
on name, but if somebody searches, they could probably figure
it out. There was a basketball one that was called
day After because he always had he always can firm
the day after historic story came out. So same thing. Yes, yeah,
and and look, I I mean having broken stories before
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and you know, like there is there is something to
making sure you get it right before you go. But yeah,
your job as an insiders not to confirm. Your job
as insiders to provide insight.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
So Jason lock Infirma is among our choices today. And
then Dennis come on.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Davids and and just so we're aware, okay, by my
disdain for David Dennis Junior is in that like remember
when sports used to be about sports? Remember that, Remember
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that time we used to like people and dislike people.
By the way, you don't have to like everybody, you
don't have to dislike everybody, you know, but I promise you,
I promise you and look, it's annoying. The Kaitlyn Clark
fans are equally annoying because they don't know shit about
basketball and they literally think she's the greatest basketball player ever.
And when you get mainstream people involved, when you get
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the Today Show in CBS this morning, it's like, because
they've never watched a basketball game before, they think these
things that are happening are specific and unique to Caitlyn Clark,
and they're not. Okay, So I understand the annoyance that
those of us who watch and know sports are like,
what are we doing here? But bringing sports into the
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world of politics and race with every story is just exhausting.
It's exhausting for either side. He's scared of the fringe,
he's scared of himself. We're all annoyed by the fringe.
All right, that's it for the most podcast. So you
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Doug Gotlin
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the Bonus with Doug Gottl.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Show, the Bonus of Fox Sports Radio, a heart radio app.
Welcome in. I understand when you download this you're used to. Uh. Look,
we have fun on the pod. We no holds barred.
We can say what we want to do we want.
I've said this with no bullshit in my voice that
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I love. This has been my favorite part of working
at Fox Sports Radio is the freedom that my bosses
have given me on this podcast. And I hate doing
what everybody else does, but everybody else is kind of
right in this sense. And that Jerry West passed away
today and I'm not gonna do a memoriam. I'm not
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gonna sit here and read his accomplishments. Although there's lots
of parts of Jerry West's life that you don't know
about because it's probably not something you've really cared about.
And for me, it's like he gave me one of
the greatest honors anyone can give. And I'll get to
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that in a second. I worked forty four not technically
because of him, but it didn't hurt right because he
was kind of the original forty four obviously. I think
by now most people know he's the logo of the
NBA says a lot to Jerry West. That was special.
You know. By now, I'm sure you know he's the
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only player to be named Finals MVP who didn't win
the actual finals. I mean, just a remarkable athlete. And
I tweeted this morning, I meaning he's the he's the
greatest basketball man in the history of basketball. What's that mean? Well,
he's in any conversation of being the greatest executive. He
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was also a tremendous evaluator, and as people know, he
was an all time great player. But here's the last thing.
He knew himself on a multitude of levels, you know,
like when pat Riley became coach of the Lakers, it
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could have and probably should have been Jerry West's job,
and for a while he was actually the head coach.
But it wasn't. That wasn't what he wanted. That didn't
you know. The expression that I've used is it didn't
get as you know what hard the morning, right, that
wasn't who he was. He He had a lot of
internal strife and conflict in his own in his own
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heart right from growing up really hard to scrabble in
West Virginia. But he just didn't want to coach. That
wasn't so if anything, that makes me think more of
him because so many of us, myself included it not
necessarily my jobs now, but previous jobs. Like I'll figure
it out, you know, it's about what I want to do.
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It's around the thing I want to be around. I'll
just I'll figure it out as I go. And that's
not really technically how the world works. It's just not
you know, the world does not work where you just
like I'll figure it out. You know. The way it
really works is when you find something you're passionate about
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and being willing to say no to things you're not
passionate about. But I mean, Jerry West was amazing, so
so look, why would I say he's the greatest executive ever.
Remember it's not just evaluating Kobe Bryant, which is I
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mean a keen eye in terms of evaluation, but there's
so much more to it. Remember, he built several dynasties
for the Lakers in terms of understanding players, value, understanding
people that put that that were put together. He did
the same thing with the Memphis Grizzlies. There long, but
the Grizzlies were kind of the laughing stock, and he
stabilized them in many ways. Stabilize them. How again, player evaluation.
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It takes a special eye at that level to be
able to evaluate players and people and what fits together.
And I understand, you know, obviously he gets probably a
little bit more credit than he wants or thoughts he
deserved with the Golden State Warriors, But make no mistake
about it, when they built that dynasty, he was at
least a special advisor. What does it say about the
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Clippers though, that here's the guy that's been advising the
Clippers and they still haven't been able to get over
the hump. But let's also be honest, the Clippers are
way better than they've ever been previously. I was honored
to have lunch with him once. But the greatest honor
he ever gave me was I had never met him before.
And he came to ESPN and he did what's called
the car wash, where you go around and you meet
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everybody and you do everybody's show. And he stopped and
pulled me aside and said, I really enjoy listening to
you talk about basketball. It's refreshing to hear people who
know what they're talking about and are able to articulate,
and kind of a friendship spawn there. I know of
a bunch of other basketball people he's had lunch with
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in the last five to ten years, and everyone says
the same thing. It's like one of the most amazing moments.
Or you're sitting there across from Jerry West and he
just likes to talk about people in basketball and life.
So Jerry West passed away today. The people don't know
how great an athlete he was. He was an unbelievable
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jump shooter, an unbelievable competitor, and a tremendous teammate. He
always told people that Elgin Baylor was the greatest Laker
he'd ever played, with taking all credit and giving it
to Elgin Baylor. He was a conflicted guy in so
many parts of his life, but man was he special
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when it came to understanding, evaluating, and putting together basketball
teamsdition to being a great player. And then the last
part is that he knew what he didn't want to do.
He didn't want to coach, and that's why he handed
over those duties to pat Riley.
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Speaker 2 (06:17):
App Let's get to with the Foxes and Now.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
What do the fun Say?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Every day of this time the Doug Gotlieb Show. Here
on Fox Sports Trader, we played for you a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Tradio and Fox
Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick. He had an emotional reaction
to the passing of his friend Jerry West.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Jerry West has passed away at the age of eighty six.
He was the logo and certainly a friend of the show.
We tried to have him on, he'd be mad at
me if I was emotional, He like, what are you
crying about. We tried to have him on recently and
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he wasn't feeling well. I think he had a cold
or the flu, and his wife said, you know, try again.
I think the last time we had him on was
a little little less than a year ago. And you know,
he's a front of the show and integral part of
the show. Came on many, many, many times, joined us
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in studio a couple of times when we were in
Los Angeles, but listen stuff. Yeah, Paulie helped me out.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I just gotta tell you, man, we found out about
three or four minutes before you did. Sometimes we get
information before you and none of us in this room
wanted to walk over and tell you this. We were
waiting for the break. And man, I know how important
this guy was to you. I mean, we talk about
Walter Payton for me or everyone has an athlete that
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and I think work on the show a long time.
I'm sure he was your hero, your dad's and then
and we saw a couple of times, maybe about ten
years ago he started coming on the show and he
was sitting there with you and talking basket ball, and
I could tell that you were like kind of giddy,
like I can't believe.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Well I saw my dad. Yeah, and I think they
were similar age.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Jerry walked out one day and he goes, thank you,
my friend, and I could see.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Yeah, that's that's not something that's supposed to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, it's it's something when it's it's it's really something
when you uh, when there's somebody who this is. This
is how I felt about it, which is like I
told you what he said to me about my coverage
of basketball and how much it meant to me, and
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when I had lunch with him, how special it was,
and how he'd say, like we should play golf sometime,
like let's do it, you know, you know, to play
golf with Jerry Jerry West. And I obviously, you know
my dad passed, and obviously Dan relates to that as well.
And then you know, like we all you feel like
you're getting older, right, you're talking about Jerry freaking West.
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But I get it. I get it for Dan. I mean,
Dan is an absolute legend in this business. And even
legends have heroes, they have icons. That's who Jerry West is.
Here's Paul Pierce talking about the Celtics.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I think it feels up to Porzingis. He would play,
but I think since they're gonna leave it in a
medical staff's hands, will probably see him set out one game.
But to check this out, when Porzingis misses games, we're
nine and one in the playoffs, regular season twenty one
and four. That makes us thirty and five without Berzingis.
Am I worried a little bit because he just adds
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such a dimension that we.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Don't have did he not change Game one in the.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Hey, definitely changed Game one. He came in and was
impactful in his minutes in Game two. But in saying
that the Celtics are comfortable without him on the line,
enough skip. I mean they've played a lot a portion
of the season without them. They played most of the
playoffs without them. It's not a demoralizing blow, you know,
like when when Kadi went down in the finals, that
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could demoralize you sit there like, oh my goodness, but they,
like Worzingis went down, They're like, we got this, okay.
We were used to playing without them. It's their business.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
The part that Paul's not mentioning it is mentioning, is yes,
they played most of the playoffs without him. They weren't
nearly as good without him. Right, it's a different team,
And yeah, I don't think it's demoralizing, but it's definitely
different and you have to change your approach. You lack
rim protection and it makes al Horford have to play
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more minutes. As well as the fact that when al
Horford's out, now you're a completely different team. Now you
completely different team. So it you know that obviously Luca
being banged up means the Mavericks feel like they don't
have a lot of hope. But when you take perzingis
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out at just the right moment to where maybe they
could get through three and four and tie this series up,
Suddenly there's life the Dallas Mavericks. Here's Colin Cowher talking
about Aaron Rodgers YBS.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
An event was told last night from a source. I
trust Aaron's on vacation and it's overseas. I'm also told
you'll learn about where he's at tomorrow. Don't want to
burn my source. I'm told you'll learn about it tomorrow.
Maybe he is at an event. Can't believe there's something
overseas that would take seven, eight nine days. Again, maybe they.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Have a music festival.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
But the point is, don't be surprised by this. This
is sort of what you would expect. Impulsive owner, new
GM coach with the losing record, prickly older at times,
get disconnected quarterback in New York City, with a pretty
relentless and inarguably massive press corps. This is what you.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Get, no question, no question. I think I think Colin
has been all over this one, and I've been, and
so too have viewed Jason Stewart, whereas I've been like ah,
when I heard it was a day, that's one thing.
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And now he's out for all of camp and like
just Aaron is one of these guys that is has
the curse of intelligence. He's smart, but he thinks he
knows everything. And you know remember last year in the
preseason where he was all about everything New York, everything
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the Jets, every waking moment, Jets are in something New York.
Now he's disappeared after your won you re rest of
the meme, regressed the me. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
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Speaker 2 (13:15):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Hey, Doug, you have given birth to Generation Z kids.
I have as well. We have Generation Z on this staff.
So I don't really want to offend anybody, but they
could be just fought out morons. This generation. This was
making the rounds on social media recently. It is a
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Generation Z woman wondering why her work would not put
up with her tardiness.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
So I just got yelled at for asking a very
reasonable question. So I'm applying to go somewhere, and I
just wanted to know are their accommodations for people who
struggle with time blindness and being on time?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
You know?
Speaker 9 (14:09):
And then the person I was with interrupted and acted
like I was asking something else, and then when we
were done, they actually started yelling at me and saying
that accommodations for time blindness doesn't exist, and if you
struggle to being on time, you'll never be able to
get a job, you know, provided you're trying your absolute
pest to be there. And then they're like, your stupid
generation wants to destroy the workplace, And yeah, I think
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that a culture where workers are just cut off because
they struggled with being on time when there's other solutions
that we can look to. I think that just anybody
who thinks it's okay to just treat people like that, yeah,
that culture needs to be dismantled. And then I ask
that person, how can you feel good about yourself upholding
this kind of system, and then to think I'm entitled. No,
if people think it's okay to treat others like this,
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that's entitlement.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Who is it?
Speaker 5 (14:59):
It's just some checked on TikTok that went viral Generation
Z twenty something. So she came up with a term dog.
I don't know if you heard it among all the
rantings time blindness. People who suffer from time blindness need
to be given a break by their employer.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
What do you what do you consider this generation? Like?
I consider it the most selfish generation ever. And when
I say selfish, and look, as you guys know, I
have some time blindness, I have some timely issues. But
what I've come to understand and try to do a
better job of is like I'm so consumed with trying
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to do everything for everybody. But how it, how it
maybe how it feels to others, is that I'm selfish
because I'm only worried about myself and my own time
and not considered their own time. And yeah, time blindness whatever,
Like good luck in the fucking job if you can't
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be on time.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
But she wants the she wants the system, the economic system,
to forgive time blindness.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Things don't work that way.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Time blindness just means that they're attempting to make up
a term or a word.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How do we get so completely screwed up?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
It was a it was an over correction by Generation
X with our kids.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is that it is? Yeah, people were too harsh with
us and so we're trying to be We're trying to be.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Easier, overprotective, overbearing, overcomplimentary, and then you come up with
at some point it results and someone saying time blindness
should be accepted. So do you know who David Dennis
Junior is?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Uh, yes, vaguely. I know he's I saw some of
the stuff because he's on that first take.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It was the show called He's one of the ESPN
reporters on Around the Horn. So he said this about
Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 10 (17:22):
The problem here is, and what concerns me going forward,
is those people on the fringe that do exist, that
are in real life, not just Internet trolls, politicians, pundit
to people of the light who are using Caitlyn Clark
as an avatar to lash out at the people who
they have disdained for mainly the makeup of the WNBA
Black women at all, and they are using her to
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go against Team USA. What happened was going to happen
in Team You say that is going to be the
big tragedy. Here is the way that they are treated
by those people come this summer.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I think he gave away his cards in the first
the first sentence.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, here's his he's work for. He went to Morehouse,
the incredible school, right. He works for The Atlantic, The Undefeated,
The Washington Post, and The huff Post. He frequently writes
about Black American culture and the intersection of race, politics,
civil rights, sports, and entertainment. In other words, my man
is all about the movement. And uh yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
That's the that's the least annoying part about this. Yeah,
I understand the movement and I understand all that, but
he does away his cards, and I think, like in
an election year, you hear about this a lot. He
says in the first sentence that he's afraid of the fringe,
and like, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That that's he's on the fringe.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
That's a problem with I think American politics, the each
side are represented by the fringe to the in the
eyes of the other side, if you imagine walking around
the other fringe.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, look, here's I will disagree with you in
that I think the fringe is kind of scary. Both
fringes left and right. The problem is he's afraid of
the fringe. He's actually afraid of himself, right, Like, if
you want to equate the Caitlin Clark thing to Caitlin
Clark fans being anti black, like, you're fucked up. Like
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this is what's happened with the There's like a confluence
of events, right, Trump getting elected, COVID and then you
had the all the summer of protests with the Floyd murder,
and all of those have made the fringes and social
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media as well, because social media, if he makes you
feel like the fringes are more mainstream and they're not. Okay,
here's the here's what you need to know. There's a study, God,
I gotta think it's one of the big statistical analysis groups.
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There's a study that ninety three percent of all social
media posts are made by six percent of the population.
That six percent is all fringe people. So he lives
his life as many young people do, through the lens
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of social media, and they think that's how real life works,
and it doesn't. Okay, in real life, there's this sense
that Okay, first of all, if you're denying the fact
that the WNBA is I don't even know the racial breakdown,
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but I actually think the racial breakdown is far less
black than anybody thinks. But it has been alternative lifestyle, right,
it just has. I mean, nobody's in denial of it.
And it feels like somebody who claims there's constantly a
race and culture war. That's what this man does is
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trying to create a cultural war out of this, and
I just we all want to make it, like so
many of these people want to make it about race,
and it's just not. I mean, it's just not. Sabrina
Ynescu and Kelsey Plum were both great players in college,
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great right there in any conversation with Kaitlin Clark, they
didn't have the following of Caitlin Clark. They did not. Uh,
they also weren't necessarily they weren't. I don't know if
they weren't treated this way or we didn't cover them
so it didn't feel like they were treated this way.
But it's crazy, like the the ethnic background of the
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WNBA in the all time great WNBA players is really
split in terms of white and black, and there's other
layers to that. We can do that more in like
a basketball podcast, but that guy's fucked up. That's what
I think. I just I'll be honest with you. I
loved working at ESPN. I did. I had zero issues,
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and I want to believe I want to believe that. Again,
the truth about ESPN is just like the truth about
mainstream people. Most of us are in the middle. And
what let's not overreact to the fringes, but like, why
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is he on a sports show if he's a woke
columnist that all he wants to talk about is the
intersection of race and politics with sports and entertainment. What
qualifies him on any level? And I guess you could say, well,
that's always been a show that's had writers, correct sports columnists,
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that's what it was designed for. And once we have
political activists, which is what he is. He's a political
activist who's also a journalist. Okay, but he does lack
the journalistic integrity. And when I say journalistic integrity, he like, again,
why was there not any of this in regards to
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Kelsey Plumb, who's white, who's straight, who's an all time
great player? Why was there not any of this with
Sabrina Escue, who's white, who's straight, who's an all time
great player? You're making connections that don't exist. You're creating
a race war that doesn't actually exist. Do I think
that there are black women in the NBA who who
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are racists? I absolutely do. And all you're doing is
stoking that flame because you're making it out like people
who like Caitlin Clark are somehow there's somehow race is involved. Like, dude,
she's girl next door. She's girl next door who's from
Iowa and took them to the National Championship Game twice
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as the all time leading scorer in women's college basketball history,
Like what about the story is not to like? And
oh yeah, by the way, she plays like Steph Curry,
who's everybody's favorite player. I just I can't help you,
and it makes me sick to my stomach. I also
don't like the fringe right wingers like I love like
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Clay is a friend of mine, but OutKick making it
out to be that all these all these women black
women are racist because they don't like Cli clerkic. I
don't think that's what it is. I just think they're
jealous of the attention she's getting. I think it's really
that simple. I think it's really that immature. You know,
women have always been We've always been told women are
two years ahead in maturity of men, right, That's why
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women can date down because they're really have to date up,
can date older men because they're more mature and they
match more with the maturity of it. But the reality
is in the sports land escape they because they haven't
gone through any of the normal amount of coverage when
they're growing up, they don't know how to deal with it.
That's just a reality to it. I don't think this
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to be the case. I know it to be the case.
It's the classic double standard that we see, which is
and this you know, I look, I voted for Hillary Clinton.
I'm not scared to you know, I'm not scared to
admit it. But her campaign irritated the shit out of
me because anytime you were critical of Hillary Clinton and
any of her policies or any of her background or whatever.
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I don't give a shit about the emails and the
email server, I don't care. What I did care about
was the fact that anytime you were critical of her,
it became sexism, which is which is what like, No,
we're critical of all politicians, all of them. So anyway,
I'm sorry David Dennis Junior. I don't know why he's
covering sports. He's not. He's a He's a political activist,
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that's what he is.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
There should be a rule on those shows if you
if you wake up afraid of the other fringe, then
you can't have a voice on our network. I'm not
for censoring, I'm not for deplatforming, but like I, I
don't see how that angle has a place in this conversation.
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He actually said, I fear the fringe uses her as
an avatar to harass the general makeup of the w
n b A. He actually uttered that that that sentence,
Oh so, I guess you're annoying takes a similar tone
today Jason locking FORA, here's a problem. Jason locking FORA.
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For most of my career was kind of like a newsbreaker.
I'm guessing you had your you've crossed paths over at CBS.
He claims to be on Twitter a reporter, as one
of the descriptions in his his bio, he's a reporter.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
He came out today and said and wrote, if only
Aaron Rodgers cared about football as much as he did
conspiracy theories and anti science, the Jets might have a
fighting chance. Oh well, same as it ever was. That's
not a real that's that's not a journalistic report. That's
that's an opinion. That is a very one sided opinion.
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I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a lightning rod I know,
and he pisses a lot of people off, But like,
what is journalistic about that tweet? Doug?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I like Jason a lot I do as a guy.
When Trump was elected, he lost his mind. He lost
his mine. That's really what happened. And it sucks because
he's good at covering football. He was one of the
first because he's in the I think Baltimore area. One
(27:53):
of the first to call out is Dan Steiner was
the old owner of the Washington football team or Commanders
or whatever that you know, the Redskins. You know, he was.
He's very, very, very liberal in his political biases, and
he allowed to creep into his work and it sucks.
I don't think I don't think he was he replaced
(28:15):
at CBS.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Uh yeah, oh yeah, he was replaced a couple of
years ago. I forget the gentleman that does the CBS
today hits, but this has nothing to do with politics.
The best nickname I've ever heard given to One of
these guys was Jason Walkin for at some point he
was called Jason walk Confirma because he was always the
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insider that confirmed the other insider's story.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
There's there's a there's a I won't I won't comment
on name, but if somebody searches, they could probably figure
it out. There was a basketball one that was called
day After because he always had he always can firm
the day after historic story came out. So same thing. Yes, yeah,
and and look, I I mean having broken stories before
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and you know, like there is there is something to
making sure you get it right before you go. But yeah,
your job as an insiders not to confirm. Your job
as insiders to provide insight.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
So Jason lock Infirma is among our choices today. And
then Dennis come on.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Davids and and just so we're aware, okay, by my
disdain for David Dennis Junior is in that like remember
when sports used to be about sports? Remember that, Remember
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that time we used to like people and dislike people.
By the way, you don't have to like everybody, you
don't have to dislike everybody, you know, but I promise you,
I promise you and look, it's annoying. The Kaitlyn Clark
fans are equally annoying because they don't know shit about
basketball and they literally think she's the greatest basketball player ever.
And when you get mainstream people involved, when you get
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the Today Show in CBS this morning, it's like, because
they've never watched a basketball game before, they think these
things that are happening are specific and unique to Caitlyn Clark,
and they're not. Okay, So I understand the annoyance that
those of us who watch and know sports are like,
what are we doing here? But bringing sports into the
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world of politics and race with every story is just exhausting.
It's exhausting for either side. He's scared of the fringe,
he's scared of himself. We're all annoyed by the fringe.
All right, that's it for the most podcast. So you
got the radio show every day three to five. Easter twelve,
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.