June 13, 2024 • 48 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug shares his thoughts on game three of the NBA Finals as the Celtics take a commanding 3 games to none lead in the series. Doug explains how two things can be true as it relates to Mavs' star Luka Doncic.
Former NBA champion and current NBA analyst Antonio Daniels joins Doug to break down the calls made on Luka Doncic in game three and to discuss other NBA Finals headlines.
Doug reacts to Danny Hurley's candid answer about what might entice him to take a job away from his current one at UConn, and how everyone has a number.
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crown them. But it does feel more and more like
the Boston Celtics are going to be NBA champions as
last night they took a three games to none lead.
I'm gonna give credit to I'll give credit to Jason Stewart,
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our Steam producer, because he likes to say a saying.
It's not like he invented the saying, but he does
at least say this quite often, and Buyer does as well,
which these two things can be true. Oftentimes we make statements.
Oftentimes we make statements as if we make statements as
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if if you say one thing, well everything has to
go in line with that one thing. For example, Luka
Doncik is not a particularly good defensive player, and the
Boston Celtics were picking on that, have been picking on
that all series. On the other hand, you can also
point out that here's two other things that are true. One,
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some of the way in which he plays when guys
get by him is by design. Yeah, it's by design.
I'll share with Euty a second. But here's the other
thing is the refs can still butcher fouls and butcher
calls at the end of the game, like we want
you to call the game. We don't want you to
We don't want you to hand the game to the
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Dallas Mavericks. On the other hand, like what are we
actually doing? What in the actual flip and I think
you know what I mean, flip, But that way, the
last two fouls on Luka Doncik, who is probably inarguably
the best all around offensive player in the game. We're
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calling those fouls in the NBA Finals, Like, what is
going on? And it's not because and I know we
had this discussion about It's like the Kaitlin Clark thing, Right,
Kaitlin Clark shouldn't be on the women's US national team
just because she's super popular. Like she's actually really really good,
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is she said? The stated is she definitely one of
the top ten, top twelve, top fifteen players in the
women's game. I mean, I'm like, who am I like?
None of us actually, even Sam Kinsel, who's watched every
game that she's played at Kinsley, Sorry, every game she's
played at Iowa this year, every game in the WNBA. Again,
Like Sam, I'll ask you, have you watched any other
team play outside of when they play against the Fever.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I've watched a little bit of the Aces because they
also have an Iowa player, Kate Martin, who's been done
really well as a rookie.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But other than a great.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Great story, Okay, right, so you can't even you've done
a deep dive into the WNBA because of your Iowa background.
That's why he's known as Iowa Sam and you can't
really give perspective, so none of us really know she's
one of the top twelve players. But it doesn't matter.
She's good enough and she'll grow the game, right, Okay,
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so let me use that argument and move it over
to Luca. I don't I don't. I don't want him
to get away with murder. I don't want you to
give the game to the Mavericks. But it's pretty obvious
that he's the best player for the Mavericks, and within reason,
you want him on the floor at the end of
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a game, right And unless he blatantly fouled on his
fifth and sixth foul, what are we doing? And oh yeah,
by the way, did it go in concert with the
way the game was officiated? This is a big thing.
We talk about consistency with players, consistency with officiating. No,
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it is a really physical game. So you called two
times he comes together, both with Jalen Brown, both the
Jaylen Brown's left hand. Who knew he could dribble with
that hand, and we called two fouls there, which takes
the best off. It's a player likely in the NBA
and definitely the Dallas Mavericks away from a game, and shocker,
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the Dallas Mavericks end up losing. Here's Luca when asked
about the officiating after the game. Luca, what did you
think of the whistles that.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Would against you in the fourth quarter?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I mean, yeah, I don't know. We couldn't play physical,
So no, I don't want to say nothing, but you know,
six fall in the NBA Finals. Basically I'm like this,
come on, man, better than that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I could not possibly agree more, couldn't possibly agree more. Okay, again,
here's Luca.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Every time they joyed, you basically call a fall. So
I tried to be better. So gotta get.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Better, got to get better. Here's Jason Kidd when asked
about the deficiating.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Luca's obviously dealing with a bunch of injuries. He has
such an intense workload on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Of the ball.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
What more would you like to see from him on
the defensive side of things? When he's the one that
Boston's hunting and all these switches and they're putting him
in off ball actions and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Yeah, he's he's he has definitely got a bullseye on
his chess, and so he's got to be able to
guard and understand that we're there to protect him and
help him if he does get beat. But again, he's
carrying a load offensively, and they are putting him in
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every pick and roll and io, and so he's got
to be able to play the game where he can
rest on offense and let others, do you know, carry
the load.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
It's a really really smart answer and a really accurate answer.
There's part two that he didn't share. I'll get to
that in a second. So a lot of people are
talking about what Brian Windhors had to say. Because Wendy's
a NBA insider, I'll share my first thought. My first
thought is this is actually not under the purview of
Brian Windhorse. You're allowed to have your opinion, but generally
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as an insider, you don't share it. You don't share it. Okay,
we'll talk about that more in a second. Here's what
he had to say on Scott Van Pelt about.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
Luca, Luca and Kyrie combined for actually more than Tateu
Brown did, but Luca fowls out late.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I just wonder your reaction to that whole sequence.
Speaker 9 (07:37):
Yeah, I thought it was perfect that Luca fell onto
the ground there in an unacceptable position to put himself
in with four minutes left with five fouls, and then
immediately looks at the bench and says, you better bleeping
challenge it, as if it's the bench's fault that he
just made a terrible play. I'm standing here in the
Mavericks tunnel over there as the Celtics tunnel.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's where the winners are.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
If Luca's ever going to be a winner coming out
of this tunnel here, he is going to have to
use this have what's happened in this finals as a
learning experience. His defensive performance is unacceptable. He is a
hole on the court. The Celtics are attacking him. They
are ahead in this series because they have attacked him defensively.
And you've got a situation here where lucas complaining about
the officiating. They have begged him, they have talked with him,
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they have pleaded with him. He is costing his team
because of how he treats the officials. He's a brilliant player,
he does so many things well. They are here because
how he did. His performance in this game is unacceptable
and the reason why the Mavericks are not going to
win he's got to get over this, and the fact
that he came out after the game and blame the
officials showed me he's nowhere close yet. So maybe over
the summer somebody will get to him, because nobody with
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the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has And
that's where the Mavericks are at this point. They're never
going to get to this tunnel with the trophy if
he doesn't improve those aspects of his game.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'll leave it right there. I appreciate this is one
of those Both of these things can be true. He
has to get better, he has to complain less, he
has to get into better physical condition. But the officiating
was crap. Okay, Like I don't know what he's talking about.
Him falling down. It was a terrible call. It's a
very simple no call, very simple no call. Jalen Brown
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attacks him, drives into his body. Luca was the ruling
was he had an established legal guarding position. That's crap.
He's what's called the primary defender, okay. And when you're
the primary defender, when you are guarding the guy on
the ball, you're actually allowed to move loudly and still
it be an offensive foul if the offensive player creates
the contact. But more than anything, why are we calling
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a foul there? And why are you calling a foul
down in the short corner on a post uff for
Jalen Brown when again Jalen Brown creates the contact. That's
bad officiating. Wendy can be right about Luca. And by
the way, Wendy's completely dismissing the fact that he has
been a winner. Okay, you may not value winning the
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European championships or value the winning a FOBA championship, but
he has been a winner. And he's also elevated, as
he pointed out, the Dallas Mavericks two hights beyond anybody's
reasonable expectations. Nobody thought they were an NBA Finals team.
So I agree with you. He's got to complain less.
He's gotten to get a better shape, he's got to
buy indefensively. Now, there's one other part to it which
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people are not really taking into account, which is a
good portion of how the Celtics are able to beat
the Mavericks is because they don't play with the traditional center.
So Derek Lively is there as a backstop, right, And
the way in which Dallas's defense design is they want
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Luca to stay in front and pressure as much as
they can, and when he gets by, then he goes
and switches and fly switches and picks up somebody and
Lively has got the rim. So you got to take
mid range jump shots, which is what they want you
to take over the extended arm of Gafford or Lively.
That's by design. The difference with the Celtics is they
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don't have a traditional center. They don't have anybody playing
in the dunker. They don't even have anybody rolling right.
They don't. They just spread you out and go five wide,
and they run a couple actions and they take them
and wherever the help comes from, that's where the ball goes.
So there's a reality to some of this is matchup based.
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And Lively got caught on a switch. It wasn't Luca,
and a really big bucket was Drew Holiday driving the
left baseline throwing a beautiful left handed pass. I think
I'm trying to think who it was to. It wasn't
to Peyton Pritchard. I think it was to Derek White,
who had a gigantic three. That was because Derek Lively
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was guarded, got a switch with with Derek white Hey,
and he came to help on the drive. Why do
he come to help on the drive because that's his role.
He's a rim protector, shop blocker. And he left his
mane and his man ends up hitting the shot in
a beautiful pass. Again, this is all kind of by design.
Part of that comes back to that that's not really
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Wendy's purview. He's not really an analyst. He doesn't totally
understand even if he does understand that lucas kind of
a cone at times defensively. So he's not wrong that
Luca's got to get better. He's not wrong that the
complaining is tiresome, but the complaining can't be the reason
that they make those two calls. Like, look, we all
look back and say the San Antonio Spurs were one
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of the great teams in the last twenty five years
and they won was it five NBA titles. Nobody bitched
and moan more than San Antonio Spurs. They were completely obnoxious.
I mean, Tim Duncan has yet to actually accept the
fact that he committed a foul. And don't get me
started on Antony Parker and of course Montagenobili, who I
love I think up until Luca was the most influential
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and probably best all around foreign born player. Okay, yes,
and I do a I know what we're a Keem
and Dirk Novisky. I think Manu was. He changed the
sport in many ways. But they complained all the time,
and no one ever said they didn't get a call
in the finals because they complained all the time. And
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the other part to it is when Luca does foul,
you watch he puts his hands up. Yeah, he complains.
He's definitely flamboyant and has like a running conversation with everybody.
That's how he plays. It's entertaining, and he doesn't care
if you boo. He doesn't care if you do the
tears thing. And he's got to get back on defense
when he doesn't get a call. There's things he's got
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to clean up. But let's not act like because you
have to clean those things up, that's okay for those
officials to make those two horrendous calls. So that's where
these two things can be true. Caitlin Clark might not
be one of the top fifteen or even twenty players
in the WNBA, I don't know, okay, but she belongs
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on that team because she's actually good enough and she's
going to change dramatically how we perceive women's basketball. Luka
Doncik has to clean up a lot of stuff in
his game. Gotta clean up, Gotta clean up some of
the complaining, Gotta clean up the body stuff, right, Gotta
be in better shape. I gotta be in better shape,
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Gotta be better defensively and oh yeah, by the way,
you gotta complain less. That can be true, but it
also be true that was just atrocious officiating at the
end of a hard fought, incredibly entertaining NBA Finals game.
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joins us now, and let let's just start with the
We'll work backwards in terms of the rest of the game.
But what are your thoughts on the last couple of
calls on Luca dodgek.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
Uh, what do you mean by what were my thoughts?
I thought that Lucas should have been smarter. There are
certain situations where you have to understand how important you
are to the overall success of this team. And those
two last plays, the one on the baseline with him
kind of hooking Jalen Brown and then the one out
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top with him trying to take a charge, you have
to remove yourself in that situation. Have to remove yourself.
It's not even worth the risk to even put yourself
out there. And I thought they were both correct calls.
I didn't think either one of those calls was debatable. Mike.
For me, I don't have any skin in the game.
I could care less who wins the NBA Championship. But
the fact of the matter is when you watch those
if not like either one of those were poor official,
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heated calls on Luca, those are situations Luca have to
understand how important he is and remove himself from them.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Okay, well, sold on on I understand, And on some
levels there's a level of agreement there right where you're like, dude,
you're taking a charge there, But what are you supposed
to do? Like, what do you like he gets you
in the post. Well, he gets you in the post okay,
and he attacks your body okay. And Jalen Brown's clearly
the aggressor there and goes right out his body, Like
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what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Like, listen, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be completely honest
with you, Doug. This may not be a popular answer,
but it wouldn't make time in this series that Luca's
been blown by.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
No I got I got, I got it. But like
do you? I mean you literally open the gate and
let him go? Like I I disagree with him both times.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
How many times in these three games has Luca opened
the gate and let guys go without him having four
or five outs?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh? Too often? Two off eights. I mean, look, there
are times in which Lively is behind him and that's
why he does it, right, Like Lively, Livelier, Gaffert or
safety nets or whatever, and let him do it. Whereas
that time it's.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
Series, not in this series, maybe in the Minnesota series,
but in this particular series, that's a huge difference because
Lively and Gafford aren't at the rim defensively, no doubt
they have the honor for Zingis and they have to
honor Al.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Horford, sure, no, no question.
Speaker 10 (17:29):
Him being him being blown by in this series stands
out more because they're not guarding Rudy Gobert, right, they're
not arms with away from him to contest Anthony Edwards
at the Rams. Now you're guarding the Subjects. Are the
only team in this league that they're top eight guys
on legitimate three point shooters that you have to honor.
So now Lively and Gafford, their defensive impact is much
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less than this series because a lot of the time
that they're spending defensively is out at that three point
line chasing a legitimate three point shooter.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No, no, no, no, listen, you and I of course completely
agree on that, right. That's the difference in the matchups
that have been created by the personnel that the Celtics have.
My point is more like, again, some of that stuff
is and there are times which Lively is there, right
and they kick it out to the corner and then
they kind of rotate around. But I just I don't
understand what like when you got one on one in transition,
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like the sixth foul, and you know you're sitting there
in some sort of stance, like you just let him go.
He went to his body, He went right to his body.
Should he remained on his feet, yeah, probably remained on
your feet or whatever, But like, what are you supposed
to do there?
Speaker 10 (18:37):
No, we both know this. There are ways to play
through that. As much contact is allowed in the NBA
post All Star break, there are ways to play yourself
through that play where you can literally take a stand.
You can literally take a stand, take a bump without falling,
and the officials allow you to play on. I already
I got.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It, but i'd like, I'm just telling I'm gonna, like Hugh,
that should be a no call in an NBA Finals
fourth quarter game when a guy drives in your body
you fall, no call.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
No, it's not a no call because Lucas tried to
draw a charge. He literally tried to draw a charge.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I got it. But again, you just do that, just
get you know, it's like that, you know officials do that.
Get up? I think you get up. I'm not giving
me that call? Right, what are we doing?
Speaker 10 (19:25):
And I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you.
We both know, and I think sometimes this is very
easy to forget that officials are human, right, yea, you're
always barking at the officials. If you're constantly barking at
the officials at all times, do you know what that means?
When there is a fifty to fifty call, you're not
going to receive the benefit of it.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, you play, you played for it. Now, the era
of Spurs you played for, they weren't that bad, right,
you played for that was more goal. But when the
Spurs were the dominant team and Duncan was a little
bit older, no one can play more than Duncan like
de Duncan.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
Is never but this is different. Come on, man, Wow,
what we're seeing right now with all duver svegg, all
doer sveg And it's amazing to me how people as
opposed to calling this what it is are deflecting it
to something or someone else. I have talked about this
with Luca all year long, all year Luke, he is
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a fantastic talent, easily top five in the league, easily
top five in the league. But what takes you away
from that talent is he complains almost every single time
down the floor. If he scores, he complains, If he
doesn't score, he complains. If he gets fouled, he's complained.
If he doesn't get fould he complains. That wears officials down.
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It wears him down. Now, I have played with guys
that do complain. I've never played with a guy that
complains like that, though I have. It not even close.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
We're gonna next time we're together, we're gonna pull a
tape where you watch prime Duncan and you're doing.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
It.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And Duncan was in all time like all time great player.
But man, did he complain all lot? And also point
this out. Hold on, I also point out if you
watched last night, those first couple of fouls, when he
got called for foul, he stuck his hand up, and so, yep,
that's mean.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
I agree, yeah, but that's okay. But but here's the thing.
It's not those that's not the problem. But I been saying,
I found it's not the problem. It's all the other
times when you shoot and you flail and then you
stay on the ground. And here's the thing, it's not
even about me. It's not even about me. Let's look
at the bigger picture here. The bigger picture here does
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is when you flail and you're on the ground and
you're talking to the officials. You are putting your defense
now in jeopardy now five and four Gordon the other way,
which eventually ends up in a I open three point
shot for an excellent three point shooting basketball team. So
it's not just about me and how much the constant
complaining and bickering gets to me. It's the fact that
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he is putting his team at a disadvantage every time
he does it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Almost Antenna Dan is our guest here in the Doug
Otleeb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's not let's
not take away from the Celtics, right right. I mean,
let's let let's not take away from from the Celtics.
There are so many parts of the Celtics team that
I like. Obviously, I think people are starting to understand
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Drew Holiday's value. But let do people in the league
understand up until now how special that guy is?
Speaker 10 (22:47):
I think so. I do think so. I am not
gonna lie to you, I think so. But I think
it's the fact that this league now honors and appreciates
offense more than the death defense. That's wife of Milwaukee.
You trade away Drew Holliday for Dame Lullar's They value
Dame Luller's offense more than they did Drew Holliday's professionalism,
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versatility and defense. And that's today's NBA. I get it,
that's today's NBA. But the thing about Drew, what we're
realizing about Drew Holiday now is no different than what
those of us that have known Drew have always known
about Drew don't. He's a plug and play player. It
doesn't matter where you put him. He is going to
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fit now. His role matters, his role matters, and the
difference with him with the Milwaukee the difference with him
now with the Boston Celtics is he's not asked to
do what he was asked to do in New Orleans.
He doesn't have to be Robins and then sometimes Batman
when Anthony Davis isn't available. He can be a third option,
he can be a fourth option, he can be a
fifth option, and you always know what you're going to
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get on him from him on the defensive side of
the basketball. These are great roles for Drew. You can't
win championships without guys like Derek White, and without guys
like Drew Holliday, you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And a Hopeford, Al Horford as well, Al Hopeford as well. Yeah, yeah,
Now they can't be your Drew can't be your second
best player if you want to win a championship. But
if he's your third or worth best player, he can't.
And that's that's a really hard thing for fans to understand.
I think basketball people understand. They're like, well, how come,
Like if you take him here, It's like, no, he's
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if he's got to play both ends, great, if he
can add, if you score, you know, fourteen to seventeen
the game, great, If you got to have twenty five
from him, he does not have that. That is not
the best version of him.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
And then me being in New Orleans, me being the
Colorados for New Orleans, I hear this all the time
from Pelican Chance, like, oh man, how come Drew couldn't
do that here? Well, the difference was Drew Howard. They
didn't have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. He didn't have
Giannis Anton Dagoupo, when Chris Middleton and Bobby Porter, Bobby Porters,
you know what I mean. So he had to be
the second best player in Boston. He doesn't have to
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be Batman, Robin or Alfred. He doesn't have to be
any of them, because when he shows up like he
did in Game two, of course twenty nine, it's fantastic
because Jason Tatum can go out and get sixteen and
Jamon Brown can go out and go twenty three. But
now in Game three, when Drew Holiday only scores nine,
no one's tripping on it. So the lack of responsibility offensively,
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it's completely different. But this is the perfect role for him.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Your opinion
on JJ and the Lakers job. You've obviously know JJ,
You've covered JJ, You've played against JJ. How hard and
assimilation will that be from player to analysts to coach?
Speaker 10 (25:41):
I don't think it'd be. I think the situation is
what matters more than anything else, And for me, it's
not about JJ Reddick. It's about the Los Angeles Lakers.
For me, for I don't and let me know if
I'm missing something here, okay, but I don't understand hiring
a rookie head coach a championship er bus situation because
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there's nothing he can do to succeed outside of winning
an NBA championship Adrian Britford. He goes to Milwaukee in
a championship er bus situation. You know what he makes
it halfway through the season. Darvin Ham gets hired in La,
goes the first season, loses to the eventual NBA champions
right then next season falls to that same team again
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and he's out because I just don't understand the purpose
of hiring a rookie head coach into a championship er
bus situation. But they weren't championship or bus not like that.
They were a good team. But it's not like if
they didn't win that they were going to fire everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't think the Lakers don't win a championship they're
gonna fire everybody.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
Then then then tell me, okay, so here's the thing.
What are the Lakers looking for?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Uh, that's a great question. I think somebody, somebody who
can coach Lebron is a big thing.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think, you know, look, they're looking for something. Darvin
was remarkably unimpressive in a lot of different phases that
people didn't.
Speaker 10 (27:08):
Isn't what coach isn't though, That's the thing, Like, you
know what's funny is like when we talk about Anthony Edwards, right,
he's twenty two years old. He's twenty two years old,
and when he has mistakes along the way, what do
we say about players?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You tell me, I always say lots of thing. Well,
right now, he's young, so he gets away with well.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
Here you go, there you go. That's what we say
about players. We give them the grace to grow, we
give them time to grow. But with coaches, we don't
offer them that same grace. Like I can remember Greg Popovich.
I can remember Greg Popovich playing for Pop and him
almost being fired, right, but then them sticking with Pops
for all these years, and if he would have been fired,
(27:51):
it would have changed the course of the NBA history.
What I'm saying here is this does with coaches. I
don't know why we expect young head coaches to have
it off, figured it out, like, oh, well, Darvin Ham
was unimpressive in a lot of areas. Store are a
lot of young rookie players, store a lot of second
year players. But we give players grace in room to grow.
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But for some reason, we don't give coaches that same grace.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm going to disagree. I agree with the statement in
this specific instance, I'm going to disagree, only that the
same reason Frank got fired in Phoenix is the same
reason that Darvin got fired in LA And it's the
it's a bad fit for the locker room. Right for Frank,
Frank is Frank is like an over prepare a basketball nerd,
(28:37):
and he didn't have the relatability. He felt like he
was stand office in coaching Devin Booker. Right. Plus they
had you know, Kevin Young, who is like Devin Booker
loved and no one else liked the offense like it
was a weird mix, right, But it was more that
Frank's style fit with Lebron. Frank loves the film room,
(28:58):
loves the prep, loves to know everything everybody does. Garvin
is more of a hey, let's just go out and
play hard guy, and Lebron, especially Lebron especially likes that.
But Austin Reeves couldn't stand Darvin Ham like they had
no relationship at all. So I think it was a
fit for the locker room. And I don't know if
JJ is a fit for the locker room, but I
(29:19):
think that's what they're looking for, is somebody who can
fit with whatever Lebron, Anthony Davis and Austin Reeves they
think they needed.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
And but here's the thing you just said, Frank Vogel
is more of a lebron guy. Yes, he wanted Champiusima
got fired. Yeah, So think about it. So what works?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
What works?
Speaker 10 (29:39):
Like if I over prepare, If I overpare, prepare and
I win, then I get fired. Right if i'm if
I'm a tough guy and the whole guy's accountable, then
I get fired. My question about the Los Angeles Lakers, Doug,
is what is their identity? Because how can you know
who to bring in when you don't know who you are?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's great point. You can't. You can't, You absolutely can't.
I mean, like, look, there's there's there's a million different
ways to do this right. You can find you know,
Finch was that you got a lot of G League guys.
You know, for whatever reason, the Lakers don't want a
G League guy. You know, Brego was an assistant, he's
been doing it for a while, he's been a head coach, right.
(30:23):
And then of course you got JJ who I think
I think what they think they have in JJ is
pat Riley. That's what they think they got, you know,
And I don't I don't know if that's who JJ
is and I don't know if that's the fit with
this group, but that's what the Lakers seem to be
searching for. And look, the Lakers are a mess. They
don't have you know yet, you have you have an
(30:44):
owner who has no idea about the sport. You got,
you got Kurt rambis and and Rob Polinka, and that's it.
They don't have the layers of support that everybody else
has in the league. And so I think that's why
they're kind of searching for something in rambas Is probably
sitting there going like, hey, this guy's like pat Riley.
Pat Riley coach does to all those championships. Let's do that.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Okay. So so you said, you said a minute ago,
somebody who can coach Lebron. What does that look like?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, Tyler's the guy.
Tyler's the guy. But Tyler's under contract, right, And they.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
Spright up the question I would ask if I'm if
I'm coming in the coach the Lakers, if Lebron wants
me to challenge a call, and I don't challenge it.
It's my job on the line, Like how can I
coach like that? How can I possibly coach like that?
When I understand this league it's all about stars. I
get it. And the word that you hear thrown about
from organization the organization is accountability. How do I do this?
(31:47):
How do I do this? How do I hold guys
accountable while implementing my culture right, being successful and still
keeping the star players within grasps of them not wanting
to get rid of me. How do I do this?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I don't know. It's a great question. It's one of
those jobs that you gotta take, but you know you're
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I want to get to the statement that there's always
a number in a second, but I invite the crew
to go to my I guess my ex page is that?
(32:45):
What it is? There is twitter page. I just posted
something that I just saw on social media. I want
to make sure I send it to all of you guys.
Are you guys watching this? It's a red Bull guy Okay,
and he's right, it's like it. Let's say it's Dubai. Yeah,
(33:11):
that's why I am big number one. Absolutely shout out
to Wichita. So he's being pulled on a wakeboard by
a drone and he's wakeboarding and it looks like a
small piece of water. Then you realize it's a pool
on top like an infinity pool on top of a skyscraper.
(33:37):
And then he goes off a jump and you realize
it's a skyscraper. Then he's free falling, then he he
does the parachute, and then he's walking on a beach.
There are so many levels of to this which I
would never and could never do, but just the idea
of like how many times do you do it before
(33:59):
you to see if you can do it? Sort of thing?
Ready mean, like is this the first take? Is this
the fifth take? What happened if it didn't work on
the first take? I guess is my question? That's like
one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Jay Stu,
you are a resident thrill seeker. Could you pull this off?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
No? I think it's really kick ass, and I think
the I think the one part that probably took the
most takes is him navigating that infinity pool to get
to a ramp that's not straight ahead, it's kind of
off to the side. Yeah, I'm guessing he had to
do that many times, which tells me he probably had
to open a shoot a few times to get to
(34:44):
the bottom to get back up. No, but this is
a pretty kick ass I encourage anybody to go to
Gottlieb show on X.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Right now, Dan are you how are you with heights?
Speaker 11 (34:55):
I'm fine with heights. I'm just not good on motion sickness, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I mean would you would you ever jump out of
a plane?
Speaker 11 (35:04):
I thought that's a rush of it, like the head
over heels stuff. I don't think that that would I'd
be pretty good at that.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Sam, what about you? Where are you with heights and
jumping off of things and bungee jumping in parachuting and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I would definitely try out sky diving. I'm okay with
heights as long as there's like a barrier around me.
One time, I had to do this thing at summer
camp where like I climbed this really tall pole and
had to jump off of it. I was like hooked
onto a wire and I had to hit a bell.
I had to like jump off it and like hit
a bell that was like maybe eight feet away, and
I was just petrified.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I mean, I think you guys, remember Jason, I
think you were with us last summer I went to
I took my son to Montana. And when we went
to Montana, we did ah not a ropes course. What's
it called? Where you where you sip zipline? Right? And
I never get We got up there in the very first,
very first one, and me and my son has zero
(35:57):
fear of heights or anything. He's up there, rocking back
and forth and he's laughing at me, and then all
of a sudden, there's a crackle of thunder and lightning,
which was a little bit too close. We had to
get down, and like his eyes got super big. So
what I determined was he wasn't scared of heights, but
he had a healthy respect for thunderstorms. But it actually,
(36:18):
like you know, I was like, hey, if a little
kid can do it, I can do it. Push me
kind of over the threshold, and I do that even
I like roller coasters, but a lot of my you know,
we go to six Flags once a year, and a
lot of a lot of my desire or my ability
to get over that fear of heights and sometimes of
that motion is the fact that I'm with my son
(36:39):
and you know, wanting to appear to be a wool
sweeter son, but also like he helps me kind of
get over that threshold. But this one, there's so many
levels to it which I would never do. I just
can't imagine, you know, just even bailing out before, like
if you're if you're if you don't get the angle
of that jump, like do you bail out early and
sink in the water, did go off the edge and
(36:59):
pull the parachute?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
A lot of stuff that could go wrong, but by
so many things that could go wrong. So it wasn't
he wasn't being pulled by the drone was following this guy? Right, No,
he's being pulled by the drune? But also like what
is he's being recorded by? I would think a very
fast drone?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Right correct?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
How are they following him through all this? It's crazy with.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
A drone's two drones. One drone is pulling him and
one drone is following him.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
We have drones that are big and fast and strong
enough to pull humans.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yes, wow, I mean they have drones that can kill humans.
Two you do you do realize that, right?
Speaker 11 (37:29):
Those are of war With this new technology, it kind
of erases this. But I always thought the crazy thing
was like when Bear Grills would go on his adventures,
that there would be a cameraman with him.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, so the cameraman just give him a sandwich, wasn't
Wasn't that? The whole thing with the Bear Grills is like,
it's really not that diar, He's got camera people with it.
Speaker 11 (37:48):
Well, now, the other point was how about doing everything
he does and carrying a camera Like that's actually, you know,
more difficult than actually what Bear Grills is doing.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Did you guys ever see the documentary Freeze. Well, so
it's about this guy that goes up Al Capitan without
any kind of equipment. Okay, so he just goes up
bare feet, and that's a crazy thing. The whole documentary,
you're thinking, who's the poor guy that has to be
in the camera getting the footage. You don't even think
(38:18):
about it. You just think it's just like reality TV
or something. But there's somebody who has to execute the camera.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Anyway. Go to the Twitter. I just I'm still I
keep staring at over over again and go like, how
how do you have the balls to do that? I
just I don't have that. That's not who I am.
I want to play for you. Something from earlier today,
Danny Hurley's done kind of the media rounds. He was cool.
(38:46):
He sent me a text We're going to do a
pod upcoming. But Danny was on. He did Lebotard show.
I know he did I think Matt Norlander who does
college basketball pod for CBS, and he did Colin Cowherd show,
and he talked about, you know, the Laker job, and
I first of all, kudos to Danny. You know, so
(39:07):
many people when they go through those sort of processes,
they don't want to talk about it. It's like, what's
the I don't know, what's the downside to talk about?
I don't know. I was explaining to my son actually
yesterday or the day before, what the greatest disinfectant in
the world is. SAM Do you know what the greatest
disinfecting the world?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Does Bleach Nope, Oh okay, Dah Buyer, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
All right, Jason Stewart, nothing for you. Sunlight, sunlight the
greatest disinfcting the world. And uh, it's a it's both
a metaphor and a real thing too. Write that sunlights
the world's greatest disinfectant and it's an expression used but
I believe by a Supreme Court justice at at one
(39:55):
point in time, which has kind of been quint in
a phrase. And that's what Danny did, was like, is like,
you know, like why do I have to lie about things?
I can just kind of tell the truth. And there's
a lot of takeaways from it, but the number one
thing is that there's always a number right, and it's
(40:15):
it goes back to the what was the movie about
Las Vegas? Indecent Proposal? Do you remember? You guys remember
to do some proposal?
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Robert Redford Woody Harrelson to me Moore, So.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
De me Moore and Woody Harrelson go to Las Vegas
and if I remember correctly, like Woody Harrelson is a
terrible gambler, correct, and uh, kind of down on the
lock need the money, and they're in a casino and
Robert Redford makes eyes at Demi Moore and at some
(40:52):
point in time of the movie and I probably have
to refresh on watch the movie, but when I saw
this story, he offered and again as at the time,
what a million dollars to sleep with? To me? More
to Woody Harrelson. Right, And it's one of those where
don't ever ever ever take your wife or girlfriend to
(41:12):
this movie or watch it or throw it. Don't ever
do it because it always begs the question like what
would you do? Baby? Baby? There's not a dollar amount
in the world, but there's always a number, right. Guys
do this all the time with different sorts of things.
And to some things maybe there's not a number, but
to many things there is a number. There is a number.
(41:35):
And I think, especially to this particular deal, where do
I think Danny knew he wanted a Laker job, like
you felt like if you listened to him, he tucked
himself into it, like yeah, it's the Lakers, but he's
leaving behind a really good situation, a really good contract.
But we told you this yesterday. Go back and look
(41:55):
at all the tweets, right, Woe's tweet and the twets
were the expectations were the the the offer would be
in the one hundred million dollar range, and then when
he turned it down, he turned down six years, seventy
million dollars. What that said to me was that Hurley's
(42:16):
people said, if you want to get this done, one
hundred million dollars is the number. Hit that number. There's
your coach. Don't hit that number. And I don't know,
here's Danny Hurley when asked if there was a number to.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
Leave a place at any moment in your life, I
think that to say that it's not a motivating factor.
The finances to leave a place is definitely a thing.
To stay at a place. I don't think it's ever
going to be a thing like to stay somewhere like Yukon.
If there wasn't, it would never have been. I think
a financial thing like Again, this wasn't like some like
(42:53):
pressure tactic to make me the highest paid college coach
like that, that was already done. But to leave a place,
to leave a place that you feel the way we do,
and the family connection with my wife, my sons, my
mother in law, my brother, my father, you know who,
Like I know how much it means to my dad
(43:14):
to go to the big Eiast tournament to leave all
that behind.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
There probably is a number.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
It's not many doors. Yes you do. That's the only
part to where eh. And then a hundred milliy dollars?
Was it a guarantee that you do it? It's a lot.
That's a lot of money, you know, because then you
look and you're like, I don't know, like what's hundred
million dollars? But there's the hundred million dollars. There's always
a number, and I think that's actually a fair way
(43:46):
to look at things, Like he's a human being. It's
the liquors. It's a great job. Why do you take it?
They didn't hit the number. And when people have that
with their house, you have that with your car.
Speaker 10 (44:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Do you want to move? Zillo has that right to
make me move? You can put on Zillo what it
costs to make you move. I am not selling this
house is my forever home. What you want to give me?
How much? And there's a comedian I don't remember his name.
I gotta look up, I gotta google it, or he
did this thing on Sean Conry being the dragon and
(44:24):
dragon Heart. You know, can you imagine the pitch of
when they asked Sean Connery about being the dragon? This
is sir Shorton Cornery. You want me to pray a
dragon or the voice of a dragon? I'm knighted, I'm
how much you know? And sure not? He played the
voice of a dragon. Everybody's got a number and even
(44:48):
Dan Hurley.
Speaker 11 (44:51):
I think of that in commercials lately of who was
willing to lend their song to the commercial. And now
well there was even a there was even a commercial
where I can't remember the company and I didn't want
to throw them under the bus, but there were three
like popular musicians that you would be like, Wow, these
(45:13):
musicians really felt like they were anti establishment.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
And now they're not.
Speaker 11 (45:19):
Only is it the music that's appearing in the commercial,
like they are actually appearing in the commercial sure, which
I was pretty that was pretty surprised about, right.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I mean, it's just it's so different than than Ben
Afflack and who's in the Duncan commercial? Tom Brady and
who else is Matt Damon? Right, Like they're really going
to get dressed up there. So everybody's got a number.
I will not do that. Wait how much? Yeah, I'll
do whatever, right, I'll do whatever. I think that's reasonable, Jay,
(45:53):
stud Do you have a number that would make you
move from from from Santa Clarita?
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Of course no, No, I'm easily sold. I work on radio,
so I any kind of money.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
This is, that's not choice numero uno? Correct? Is that's
where your girlfriend's from?
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
She from there?
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yeah, she's from there originally.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Okay, So does she have a number, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
She does too. Yeah, we've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
The number for you, for her is not very high thought.
Let's just be honest, right, you always talked about her,
her your super hot girlfriend. But if somebody said, hey,
if you have to ditch Jason, I mean we even
we get three figures or four, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
I already told her that you offered us your your
place in Newport for free.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah I did until yeah, until I move out. Yes, yeah,
I said you can. You absolutely couldn't. You're gonna come
visit the bank? Interesting, Well, they were going down.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Totally cool, totally cool.
Speaker 11 (47:00):
No, see list No, he was hold on, I realize
how close Jason and I actually do live from each other.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I understand hold on.
Speaker 11 (47:08):
This is to the point when Jason had a surgery
that you went over to his house and visited him
but made no reference to me even being in the area.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Did you have a surgical procedure where you know where
you had.
Speaker 11 (47:21):
Two birds with one stone, like, we aren't how far
apart are we?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Fifteen minutes?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Jason? Would you say? Yeah, but he makes a good point.
You need to have something awful happen to you. Yeah,
try to work on that.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
You do, you do make it. You do make a
really good point. Okay, I should have done the red
I did do the rounds. I had a there was
a birthday party and Jason's deal and I hadn't seen Jason,
and I need to bring it up.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
It's almost however, I just but I'm dumb, the worst
of the worst. The house thing, Thank you Jason for pointia.
The house thing was he was going down weren't you
going to Newport or going to Orange County? And I
was like, why don't you stay at my house? I'm
not even there, right? That was the conversation, was it Jason?
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Don't mean to say sure yet. I don't blow it
brush it aside, be honest about it.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
No, no, I think that was the conversation.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
I know it was the conversation, but boy, you're really
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the Boston Celtics are going to be NBA champions as
last night they took a three games to none lead.
I'm gonna give credit to I'll give credit to Jason Stewart,
(01:14):
our Steam producer, because he likes to say a saying.
It's not like he invented the saying, but he does
at least say this quite often, and Buyer does as well,
which these two things can be true. Oftentimes we make statements.
Oftentimes we make statements as if we make statements as
(01:40):
if if you say one thing, well everything has to
go in line with that one thing. For example, Luka
Doncik is not a particularly good defensive player, and the
Boston Celtics were picking on that, have been picking on
that all series. On the other hand, you can also
point out that here's two other things that are true. One,
(02:01):
some of the way in which he plays when guys
get by him is by design. Yeah, it's by design.
I'll share with Euty a second. But here's the other
thing is the refs can still butcher fouls and butcher
calls at the end of the game, like we want
you to call the game. We don't want you to
We don't want you to hand the game to the
(02:22):
Dallas Mavericks. On the other hand, like what are we
actually doing? What in the actual flip and I think
you know what I mean, flip, But that way, the
last two fouls on Luka Doncik, who is probably inarguably
the best all around offensive player in the game. We're
(02:44):
calling those fouls in the NBA Finals, Like, what is
going on? And it's not because and I know we
had this discussion about It's like the Kaitlin Clark thing, Right,
Kaitlin Clark shouldn't be on the women's US national team
just because she's super popular. Like she's actually really really good,
(03:08):
is she said? The stated is she definitely one of
the top ten, top twelve, top fifteen players in the
women's game. I mean, I'm like, who am I like?
None of us actually, even Sam Kinsel, who's watched every
game that she's played at Kinsley, Sorry, every game she's
played at Iowa this year, every game in the WNBA. Again,
Like Sam, I'll ask you, have you watched any other
team play outside of when they play against the Fever.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I've watched a little bit of the Aces because they
also have an Iowa player, Kate Martin, who's been done
really well as a rookie.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
But other than a great.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Great story, Okay, right, so you can't even you've done
a deep dive into the WNBA because of your Iowa background.
That's why he's known as Iowa Sam and you can't
really give perspective, so none of us really know she's
one of the top twelve players. But it doesn't matter.
She's good enough and she'll grow the game, right, Okay,
(04:01):
so let me use that argument and move it over
to Luca. I don't I don't. I don't want him
to get away with murder. I don't want you to
give the game to the Mavericks. But it's pretty obvious
that he's the best player for the Mavericks, and within reason,
you want him on the floor at the end of
(04:23):
a game, right And unless he blatantly fouled on his
fifth and sixth foul, what are we doing? And oh yeah,
by the way, did it go in concert with the
way the game was officiated? This is a big thing.
We talk about consistency with players, consistency with officiating. No,
(04:45):
it is a really physical game. So you called two
times he comes together, both with Jalen Brown, both the
Jaylen Brown's left hand. Who knew he could dribble with
that hand, and we called two fouls there, which takes
the best off. It's a player likely in the NBA
and definitely the Dallas Mavericks away from a game, and shocker,
(05:06):
the Dallas Mavericks end up losing. Here's Luca when asked
about the officiating after the game. Luca, what did you
think of the whistles that.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Would against you in the fourth quarter?
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I mean, yeah, I don't know. We couldn't play physical,
So no, I don't want to say nothing, but you know,
six fall in the NBA Finals. Basically I'm like this,
come on, man, better than that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I could not possibly agree more, couldn't possibly agree more. Okay, again,
here's Luca.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Every time they joyed, you basically call a fall. So
I tried to be better. So gotta get.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Better, got to get better. Here's Jason Kidd when asked
about the deficiating.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Luca's obviously dealing with a bunch of injuries. He has
such an intense workload on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Of the ball.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
What more would you like to see from him on
the defensive side of things? When he's the one that
Boston's hunting and all these switches and they're putting him
in off ball actions and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Yeah, he's he's he has definitely got a bullseye on
his chess, and so he's got to be able to
guard and understand that we're there to protect him and
help him if he does get beat. But again, he's
carrying a load offensively, and they are putting him in
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every pick and roll and io, and so he's got
to be able to play the game where he can
rest on offense and let others, do you know, carry
the load.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
It's a really really smart answer and a really accurate answer.
There's part two that he didn't share. I'll get to
that in a second. So a lot of people are
talking about what Brian Windhors had to say. Because Wendy's
a NBA insider, I'll share my first thought. My first
thought is this is actually not under the purview of
Brian Windhorse. You're allowed to have your opinion, but generally
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as an insider, you don't share it. You don't share it. Okay,
we'll talk about that more in a second. Here's what
he had to say on Scott Van Pelt about.
Speaker 8 (07:29):
Luca, Luca and Kyrie combined for actually more than Tateu
Brown did, but Luca fowls out late.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I just wonder your reaction to that whole sequence.
Speaker 9 (07:37):
Yeah, I thought it was perfect that Luca fell onto
the ground there in an unacceptable position to put himself
in with four minutes left with five fouls, and then
immediately looks at the bench and says, you better bleeping
challenge it, as if it's the bench's fault that he
just made a terrible play. I'm standing here in the
Mavericks tunnel over there as the Celtics tunnel.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's where the winners are.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
If Luca's ever going to be a winner coming out
of this tunnel here, he is going to have to
use this have what's happened in this finals as a
learning experience. His defensive performance is unacceptable. He is a
hole on the court. The Celtics are attacking him. They
are ahead in this series because they have attacked him defensively.
And you've got a situation here where lucas complaining about
the officiating. They have begged him, they have talked with him,
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they have pleaded with him. He is costing his team
because of how he treats the officials. He's a brilliant player,
he does so many things well. They are here because
how he did. His performance in this game is unacceptable
and the reason why the Mavericks are not going to
win he's got to get over this, and the fact
that he came out after the game and blame the
officials showed me he's nowhere close yet. So maybe over
the summer somebody will get to him, because nobody with
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the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has And
that's where the Mavericks are at this point. They're never
going to get to this tunnel with the trophy if
he doesn't improve those aspects of his game.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'll leave it right there. I appreciate this is one
of those Both of these things can be true. He
has to get better, he has to complain less, he
has to get into better physical condition. But the officiating
was crap. Okay, Like I don't know what he's talking about.
Him falling down. It was a terrible call. It's a
very simple no call, very simple no call. Jalen Brown
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attacks him, drives into his body. Luca was the ruling
was he had an established legal guarding position. That's crap.
He's what's called the primary defender, okay. And when you're
the primary defender, when you are guarding the guy on
the ball, you're actually allowed to move loudly and still
it be an offensive foul if the offensive player creates
the contact. But more than anything, why are we calling
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a foul there? And why are you calling a foul
down in the short corner on a post uff for
Jalen Brown when again Jalen Brown creates the contact. That's
bad officiating. Wendy can be right about Luca. And by
the way, Wendy's completely dismissing the fact that he has
been a winner. Okay, you may not value winning the
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European championships or value the winning a FOBA championship, but
he has been a winner. And he's also elevated, as
he pointed out, the Dallas Mavericks two hights beyond anybody's
reasonable expectations. Nobody thought they were an NBA Finals team.
So I agree with you. He's got to complain less.
He's gotten to get a better shape, he's got to
buy indefensively. Now, there's one other part to it which
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people are not really taking into account, which is a
good portion of how the Celtics are able to beat
the Mavericks is because they don't play with the traditional center.
So Derek Lively is there as a backstop, right, And
the way in which Dallas's defense design is they want
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Luca to stay in front and pressure as much as
they can, and when he gets by, then he goes
and switches and fly switches and picks up somebody and
Lively has got the rim. So you got to take
mid range jump shots, which is what they want you
to take over the extended arm of Gafford or Lively.
That's by design. The difference with the Celtics is they
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don't have a traditional center. They don't have anybody playing
in the dunker. They don't even have anybody rolling right.
They don't. They just spread you out and go five wide,
and they run a couple actions and they take them
and wherever the help comes from, that's where the ball goes.
So there's a reality to some of this is matchup based.
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And Lively got caught on a switch. It wasn't Luca,
and a really big bucket was Drew Holiday driving the
left baseline throwing a beautiful left handed pass. I think
I'm trying to think who it was to. It wasn't
to Peyton Pritchard. I think it was to Derek White,
who had a gigantic three. That was because Derek Lively
(11:46):
was guarded, got a switch with with Derek white Hey,
and he came to help on the drive. Why do
he come to help on the drive because that's his role.
He's a rim protector, shop blocker. And he left his
mane and his man ends up hitting the shot in
a beautiful pass. Again, this is all kind of by design.
Part of that comes back to that that's not really
(12:08):
Wendy's purview. He's not really an analyst. He doesn't totally
understand even if he does understand that lucas kind of
a cone at times defensively. So he's not wrong that
Luca's got to get better. He's not wrong that the
complaining is tiresome, but the complaining can't be the reason
that they make those two calls. Like, look, we all
look back and say the San Antonio Spurs were one
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of the great teams in the last twenty five years
and they won was it five NBA titles. Nobody bitched
and moan more than San Antonio Spurs. They were completely obnoxious.
I mean, Tim Duncan has yet to actually accept the
fact that he committed a foul. And don't get me
started on Antony Parker and of course Montagenobili, who I
love I think up until Luca was the most influential
(12:50):
and probably best all around foreign born player. Okay, yes,
and I do a I know what we're a Keem
and Dirk Novisky. I think Manu was. He changed the
sport in many ways. But they complained all the time,
and no one ever said they didn't get a call
in the finals because they complained all the time. And
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the other part to it is when Luca does foul,
you watch he puts his hands up. Yeah, he complains.
He's definitely flamboyant and has like a running conversation with everybody.
That's how he plays. It's entertaining, and he doesn't care
if you boo. He doesn't care if you do the
tears thing. And he's got to get back on defense
when he doesn't get a call. There's things he's got
(13:31):
to clean up. But let's not act like because you
have to clean those things up, that's okay for those
officials to make those two horrendous calls. So that's where
these two things can be true. Caitlin Clark might not
be one of the top fifteen or even twenty players
in the WNBA, I don't know, okay, but she belongs
(13:53):
on that team because she's actually good enough and she's
going to change dramatically how we perceive women's basketball. Luka
Doncik has to clean up a lot of stuff in
his game. Gotta clean up, Gotta clean up some of
the complaining, Gotta clean up the body stuff, right, Gotta
be in better shape. I gotta be in better shape,
(14:14):
Gotta be better defensively and oh yeah, by the way,
you gotta complain less. That can be true, but it
also be true that was just atrocious officiating at the
end of a hard fought, incredibly entertaining NBA Finals game.
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joins us now, and let let's just start with the
We'll work backwards in terms of the rest of the game.
But what are your thoughts on the last couple of
calls on Luca dodgek.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
Uh, what do you mean by what were my thoughts?
I thought that Lucas should have been smarter. There are
certain situations where you have to understand how important you
are to the overall success of this team. And those
two last plays, the one on the baseline with him
kind of hooking Jalen Brown and then the one out
(15:38):
top with him trying to take a charge, you have
to remove yourself in that situation. Have to remove yourself.
It's not even worth the risk to even put yourself
out there. And I thought they were both correct calls.
I didn't think either one of those calls was debatable. Mike.
For me, I don't have any skin in the game.
I could care less who wins the NBA Championship. But
the fact of the matter is when you watch those
if not like either one of those were poor official,
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heated calls on Luca, those are situations Luca have to
understand how important he is and remove himself from them.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Okay, well, sold on on I understand, And on some
levels there's a level of agreement there right where you're like, dude,
you're taking a charge there, But what are you supposed
to do? Like, what do you like he gets you
in the post. Well, he gets you in the post okay,
and he attacks your body okay. And Jalen Brown's clearly
the aggressor there and goes right out his body, Like
(16:30):
what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 10 (16:32):
Like, listen, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be completely honest
with you, Doug. This may not be a popular answer,
but it wouldn't make time in this series that Luca's
been blown by.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
No I got I got, I got it. But like
do you? I mean you literally open the gate and
let him go? Like I I disagree with him both times.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
How many times in these three games has Luca opened
the gate and let guys go without him having four
or five outs?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh? Too often? Two off eights. I mean, look, there
are times in which Lively is behind him and that's
why he does it, right, Like Lively, Livelier, Gaffert or
safety nets or whatever, and let him do it. Whereas
that time it's.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
Series, not in this series, maybe in the Minnesota series,
but in this particular series, that's a huge difference because
Lively and Gafford aren't at the rim defensively, no doubt
they have the honor for Zingis and they have to
honor Al.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Horford, sure, no, no question.
Speaker 10 (17:29):
Him being him being blown by in this series stands
out more because they're not guarding Rudy Gobert, right, they're
not arms with away from him to contest Anthony Edwards
at the Rams. Now you're guarding the Subjects. Are the
only team in this league that they're top eight guys
on legitimate three point shooters that you have to honor.
So now Lively and Gafford, their defensive impact is much
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less than this series because a lot of the time
that they're spending defensively is out at that three point
line chasing a legitimate three point shooter.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No, no, no, no, listen, you and I of course completely
agree on that, right. That's the difference in the matchups
that have been created by the personnel that the Celtics have.
My point is more like, again, some of that stuff
is and there are times which Lively is there, right
and they kick it out to the corner and then
they kind of rotate around. But I just I don't
understand what like when you got one on one in transition,
(18:20):
like the sixth foul, and you know you're sitting there
in some sort of stance, like you just let him go.
He went to his body, He went right to his body.
Should he remained on his feet, yeah, probably remained on
your feet or whatever, But like, what are you supposed
to do there?
Speaker 10 (18:37):
No, we both know this. There are ways to play
through that. As much contact is allowed in the NBA
post All Star break, there are ways to play yourself
through that play where you can literally take a stand.
You can literally take a stand, take a bump without falling,
and the officials allow you to play on. I already
I got.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It, but i'd like, I'm just telling I'm gonna, like Hugh,
that should be a no call in an NBA Finals
fourth quarter game when a guy drives in your body
you fall, no call.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
No, it's not a no call because Lucas tried to
draw a charge. He literally tried to draw a charge.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I got it. But again, you just do that, just
get you know, it's like that, you know officials do that.
Get up? I think you get up. I'm not giving
me that call? Right, what are we doing?
Speaker 10 (19:25):
And I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you.
We both know, and I think sometimes this is very
easy to forget that officials are human, right, yea, you're
always barking at the officials. If you're constantly barking at
the officials at all times, do you know what that means?
When there is a fifty to fifty call, you're not
going to receive the benefit of it.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, you play, you played for it. Now, the era
of Spurs you played for, they weren't that bad, right,
you played for that was more goal. But when the
Spurs were the dominant team and Duncan was a little
bit older, no one can play more than Duncan like
de Duncan.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
Is never but this is different. Come on, man, Wow,
what we're seeing right now with all duver svegg, all
doer sveg And it's amazing to me how people as
opposed to calling this what it is are deflecting it
to something or someone else. I have talked about this
with Luca all year long, all year Luke, he is
(20:25):
a fantastic talent, easily top five in the league, easily
top five in the league. But what takes you away
from that talent is he complains almost every single time
down the floor. If he scores, he complains, If he
doesn't score, he complains. If he gets fouled, he's complained.
If he doesn't get fould he complains. That wears officials down.
(20:50):
It wears him down. Now, I have played with guys
that do complain. I've never played with a guy that
complains like that, though I have. It not even close.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
We're gonna next time we're together, we're gonna pull a
tape where you watch prime Duncan and you're doing.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
It.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
And Duncan was in all time like all time great player.
But man, did he complain all lot? And also point
this out. Hold on, I also point out if you
watched last night, those first couple of fouls, when he
got called for foul, he stuck his hand up, and so, yep,
that's mean.
Speaker 10 (21:27):
I agree, yeah, but that's okay. But but here's the thing.
It's not those that's not the problem. But I been saying,
I found it's not the problem. It's all the other
times when you shoot and you flail and then you
stay on the ground. And here's the thing, it's not
even about me. It's not even about me. Let's look
at the bigger picture here. The bigger picture here does
(21:49):
is when you flail and you're on the ground and
you're talking to the officials. You are putting your defense
now in jeopardy now five and four Gordon the other way,
which eventually ends up in a I open three point
shot for an excellent three point shooting basketball team. So
it's not just about me and how much the constant
complaining and bickering gets to me. It's the fact that
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he is putting his team at a disadvantage every time
he does it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Almost Antenna Dan is our guest here in the Doug
Otleeb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's not let's
not take away from the Celtics, right right. I mean,
let's let let's not take away from from the Celtics.
There are so many parts of the Celtics team that
I like. Obviously, I think people are starting to understand
(22:36):
Drew Holiday's value. But let do people in the league
understand up until now how special that guy is?
Speaker 10 (22:47):
I think so. I do think so. I am not
gonna lie to you, I think so. But I think
it's the fact that this league now honors and appreciates
offense more than the death defense. That's wife of Milwaukee.
You trade away Drew Holliday for Dame Lullar's They value
Dame Luller's offense more than they did Drew Holliday's professionalism,
(23:07):
versatility and defense. And that's today's NBA. I get it,
that's today's NBA. But the thing about Drew, what we're
realizing about Drew Holiday now is no different than what
those of us that have known Drew have always known
about Drew don't. He's a plug and play player. It
doesn't matter where you put him. He is going to
(23:28):
fit now. His role matters, his role matters, and the
difference with him with the Milwaukee the difference with him
now with the Boston Celtics is he's not asked to
do what he was asked to do in New Orleans.
He doesn't have to be Robins and then sometimes Batman
when Anthony Davis isn't available. He can be a third option,
he can be a fourth option, he can be a
fifth option, and you always know what you're going to
(23:49):
get on him from him on the defensive side of
the basketball. These are great roles for Drew. You can't
win championships without guys like Derek White, and without guys
like Drew Holliday, you can't do it.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And a Hopeford, Al Horford as well, Al Hopeford as well. Yeah, yeah,
Now they can't be your Drew can't be your second
best player if you want to win a championship. But
if he's your third or worth best player, he can't.
And that's that's a really hard thing for fans to understand.
I think basketball people understand. They're like, well, how come,
Like if you take him here, It's like, no, he's
(24:22):
if he's got to play both ends, great, if he
can add, if you score, you know, fourteen to seventeen
the game, great, If you got to have twenty five
from him, he does not have that. That is not
the best version of him.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
And then me being in New Orleans, me being the
Colorados for New Orleans, I hear this all the time
from Pelican Chance, like, oh man, how come Drew couldn't
do that here? Well, the difference was Drew Howard. They
didn't have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. He didn't have
Giannis Anton Dagoupo, when Chris Middleton and Bobby Porter, Bobby Porters,
you know what I mean. So he had to be
the second best player in Boston. He doesn't have to
(24:53):
be Batman, Robin or Alfred. He doesn't have to be
any of them, because when he shows up like he
did in Game two, of course twenty nine, it's fantastic
because Jason Tatum can go out and get sixteen and
Jamon Brown can go out and go twenty three. But
now in Game three, when Drew Holiday only scores nine,
no one's tripping on it. So the lack of responsibility offensively,
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it's completely different. But this is the perfect role for him.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Your opinion
on JJ and the Lakers job. You've obviously know JJ,
You've covered JJ, You've played against JJ. How hard and
assimilation will that be from player to analysts to coach?
Speaker 10 (25:41):
I don't think it'd be. I think the situation is
what matters more than anything else, And for me, it's
not about JJ Reddick. It's about the Los Angeles Lakers.
For me, for I don't and let me know if
I'm missing something here, okay, but I don't understand hiring
a rookie head coach a championship er bus situation because
(26:02):
there's nothing he can do to succeed outside of winning
an NBA championship Adrian Britford. He goes to Milwaukee in
a championship er bus situation. You know what he makes
it halfway through the season. Darvin Ham gets hired in La,
goes the first season, loses to the eventual NBA champions
right then next season falls to that same team again
(26:23):
and he's out because I just don't understand the purpose
of hiring a rookie head coach into a championship er
bus situation. But they weren't championship or bus not like that.
They were a good team. But it's not like if
they didn't win that they were going to fire everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't think the Lakers don't win a championship they're
gonna fire everybody.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
Then then then tell me, okay, so here's the thing.
What are the Lakers looking for?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Uh, that's a great question. I think somebody, somebody who
can coach Lebron is a big thing.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think, you know, look, they're looking for something. Darvin
was remarkably unimpressive in a lot of different phases that
people didn't.
Speaker 10 (27:08):
Isn't what coach isn't though, That's the thing, Like, you
know what's funny is like when we talk about Anthony Edwards, right,
he's twenty two years old. He's twenty two years old,
and when he has mistakes along the way, what do
we say about players?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You tell me, I always say lots of thing. Well,
right now, he's young, so he gets away with well.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
Here you go, there you go. That's what we say
about players. We give them the grace to grow, we
give them time to grow. But with coaches, we don't
offer them that same grace. Like I can remember Greg Popovich.
I can remember Greg Popovich playing for Pop and him
almost being fired, right, but then them sticking with Pops
for all these years, and if he would have been fired,
(27:51):
it would have changed the course of the NBA history.
What I'm saying here is this does with coaches. I
don't know why we expect young head coaches to have
it off, figured it out, like, oh, well, Darvin Ham
was unimpressive in a lot of areas. Store are a
lot of young rookie players, store a lot of second
year players. But we give players grace in room to grow.
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But for some reason, we don't give coaches that same grace.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm going to disagree. I agree with the statement in
this specific instance, I'm going to disagree, only that the
same reason Frank got fired in Phoenix is the same
reason that Darvin got fired in LA And it's the
it's a bad fit for the locker room. Right for Frank,
Frank is Frank is like an over prepare a basketball nerd,
(28:37):
and he didn't have the relatability. He felt like he
was stand office in coaching Devin Booker. Right. Plus they
had you know, Kevin Young, who is like Devin Booker
loved and no one else liked the offense like it
was a weird mix, right, But it was more that
Frank's style fit with Lebron. Frank loves the film room,
(28:58):
loves the prep, loves to know everything everybody does. Garvin
is more of a hey, let's just go out and
play hard guy, and Lebron, especially Lebron especially likes that.
But Austin Reeves couldn't stand Darvin Ham like they had
no relationship at all. So I think it was a
fit for the locker room. And I don't know if
JJ is a fit for the locker room, but I
(29:19):
think that's what they're looking for, is somebody who can
fit with whatever Lebron, Anthony Davis and Austin Reeves they
think they needed.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
And but here's the thing you just said, Frank Vogel
is more of a lebron guy. Yes, he wanted Champiusima
got fired. Yeah, So think about it. So what works?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
What works?
Speaker 10 (29:39):
Like if I over prepare, If I overpare, prepare and
I win, then I get fired. Right if i'm if
I'm a tough guy and the whole guy's accountable, then
I get fired. My question about the Los Angeles Lakers, Doug,
is what is their identity? Because how can you know
who to bring in when you don't know who you are?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's great point. You can't. You can't, You absolutely can't.
I mean, like, look, there's there's there's a million different
ways to do this right. You can find you know,
Finch was that you got a lot of G League guys.
You know, for whatever reason, the Lakers don't want a
G League guy. You know, Brego was an assistant, he's
been doing it for a while, he's been a head coach, right.
(30:23):
And then of course you got JJ who I think
I think what they think they have in JJ is
pat Riley. That's what they think they got, you know,
And I don't I don't know if that's who JJ
is and I don't know if that's the fit with
this group, but that's what the Lakers seem to be
searching for. And look, the Lakers are a mess. They
don't have you know yet, you have you have an
(30:44):
owner who has no idea about the sport. You got,
you got Kurt rambis and and Rob Polinka, and that's it.
They don't have the layers of support that everybody else
has in the league. And so I think that's why
they're kind of searching for something in rambas Is probably
sitting there going like, hey, this guy's like pat Riley.
Pat Riley coach does to all those championships. Let's do that.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Okay. So so you said, you said a minute ago,
somebody who can coach Lebron. What does that look like?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, Tyler's the guy.
Tyler's the guy. But Tyler's under contract, right, And they.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
Spright up the question I would ask if I'm if
I'm coming in the coach the Lakers, if Lebron wants
me to challenge a call, and I don't challenge it.
It's my job on the line, Like how can I
coach like that? How can I possibly coach like that?
When I understand this league it's all about stars. I
get it. And the word that you hear thrown about
from organization the organization is accountability. How do I do this?
(31:47):
How do I do this? How do I hold guys
accountable while implementing my culture right, being successful and still
keeping the star players within grasps of them not wanting
to get rid of me. How do I do this?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
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What it is? There is twitter page. I just posted
something that I just saw on social media. I want
to make sure I send it to all of you guys.
Are you guys watching this? It's a red Bull guy Okay,
and he's right, it's like it. Let's say it's Dubai. Yeah,
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that's why I am big number one. Absolutely shout out
to Wichita. So he's being pulled on a wakeboard by
a drone and he's wakeboarding and it looks like a
small piece of water. Then you realize it's a pool
on top like an infinity pool on top of a skyscraper.
(33:37):
And then he goes off a jump and you realize
it's a skyscraper. Then he's free falling, then he he
does the parachute, and then he's walking on a beach.
There are so many levels of to this which I
would never and could never do, but just the idea
of like how many times do you do it before
(33:59):
you to see if you can do it? Sort of thing?
Ready mean, like is this the first take? Is this
the fifth take? What happened if it didn't work on
the first take? I guess is my question? That's like
one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Jay Stu,
you are a resident thrill seeker. Could you pull this off?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
No? I think it's really kick ass, and I think
the I think the one part that probably took the
most takes is him navigating that infinity pool to get
to a ramp that's not straight ahead, it's kind of
off to the side. Yeah, I'm guessing he had to
do that many times, which tells me he probably had
to open a shoot a few times to get to
(34:44):
the bottom to get back up. No, but this is
a pretty kick ass I encourage anybody to go to
Gottlieb show on X.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Right now, Dan are you how are you with heights?
Speaker 11 (34:55):
I'm fine with heights. I'm just not good on motion sickness, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I mean would you would you ever jump out of
a plane?
Speaker 11 (35:04):
I thought that's a rush of it, like the head
over heels stuff. I don't think that that would I'd
be pretty good at that.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Sam, what about you? Where are you with heights and
jumping off of things and bungee jumping in parachuting and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I would definitely try out sky diving. I'm okay with
heights as long as there's like a barrier around me.
One time, I had to do this thing at summer
camp where like I climbed this really tall pole and
had to jump off of it. I was like hooked
onto a wire and I had to hit a bell.
I had to like jump off it and like hit
a bell that was like maybe eight feet away, and
I was just petrified.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I mean, I think you guys, remember Jason, I
think you were with us last summer I went to
I took my son to Montana. And when we went
to Montana, we did ah not a ropes course. What's
it called? Where you where you sip zipline? Right? And
I never get We got up there in the very first,
very first one, and me and my son has zero
(35:57):
fear of heights or anything. He's up there, rocking back
and forth and he's laughing at me, and then all
of a sudden, there's a crackle of thunder and lightning,
which was a little bit too close. We had to
get down, and like his eyes got super big. So
what I determined was he wasn't scared of heights, but
he had a healthy respect for thunderstorms. But it actually,
(36:18):
like you know, I was like, hey, if a little
kid can do it, I can do it. Push me
kind of over the threshold, and I do that even
I like roller coasters, but a lot of my you know,
we go to six Flags once a year, and a
lot of a lot of my desire or my ability
to get over that fear of heights and sometimes of
that motion is the fact that I'm with my son
(36:39):
and you know, wanting to appear to be a wool
sweeter son, but also like he helps me kind of
get over that threshold. But this one, there's so many
levels to it which I would never do. I just
can't imagine, you know, just even bailing out before, like
if you're if you're if you don't get the angle
of that jump, like do you bail out early and
sink in the water, did go off the edge and
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pull the parachute?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
A lot of stuff that could go wrong, but by
so many things that could go wrong. So it wasn't
he wasn't being pulled by the drone was following this guy? Right, No,
he's being pulled by the drune? But also like what
is he's being recorded by? I would think a very
fast drone?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Right correct?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
How are they following him through all this? It's crazy with.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
A drone's two drones. One drone is pulling him and
one drone is following him.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
We have drones that are big and fast and strong
enough to pull humans.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yes, wow, I mean they have drones that can kill humans.
Two you do you do realize that, right?
Speaker 11 (37:29):
Those are of war With this new technology, it kind
of erases this. But I always thought the crazy thing
was like when Bear Grills would go on his adventures,
that there would be a cameraman with him.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, so the cameraman just give him a sandwich, wasn't
Wasn't that? The whole thing with the Bear Grills is like,
it's really not that diar, He's got camera people with it.
Speaker 11 (37:48):
Well, now, the other point was how about doing everything
he does and carrying a camera Like that's actually, you know,
more difficult than actually what Bear Grills is doing.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Did you guys ever see the documentary Freeze. Well, so
it's about this guy that goes up Al Capitan without
any kind of equipment. Okay, so he just goes up
bare feet, and that's a crazy thing. The whole documentary,
you're thinking, who's the poor guy that has to be
in the camera getting the footage. You don't even think
(38:18):
about it. You just think it's just like reality TV
or something. But there's somebody who has to execute the camera.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Anyway. Go to the Twitter. I just I'm still I
keep staring at over over again and go like, how
how do you have the balls to do that? I
just I don't have that. That's not who I am.
I want to play for you. Something from earlier today,
Danny Hurley's done kind of the media rounds. He was cool.
(38:46):
He sent me a text We're going to do a
pod upcoming. But Danny was on. He did Lebotard show.
I know he did I think Matt Norlander who does
college basketball pod for CBS, and he did Colin Cowherd show,
and he talked about, you know, the Laker job, and
I first of all, kudos to Danny. You know, so
(39:07):
many people when they go through those sort of processes,
they don't want to talk about it. It's like, what's
the I don't know, what's the downside to talk about?
I don't know. I was explaining to my son actually
yesterday or the day before, what the greatest disinfectant in
the world is. SAM Do you know what the greatest
disinfecting the world?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Does Bleach Nope, Oh okay, Dah Buyer, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
All right, Jason Stewart, nothing for you. Sunlight, sunlight the
greatest disinfcting the world. And uh, it's a it's both
a metaphor and a real thing too. Write that sunlights
the world's greatest disinfectant and it's an expression used but
I believe by a Supreme Court justice at at one
(39:55):
point in time, which has kind of been quint in
a phrase. And that's what Danny did, was like, is like,
you know, like why do I have to lie about things?
I can just kind of tell the truth. And there's
a lot of takeaways from it, but the number one
thing is that there's always a number right, and it's
(40:15):
it goes back to the what was the movie about
Las Vegas? Indecent Proposal? Do you remember? You guys remember
to do some proposal?
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Robert Redford Woody Harrelson to me Moore, So.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
De me Moore and Woody Harrelson go to Las Vegas
and if I remember correctly, like Woody Harrelson is a
terrible gambler, correct, and uh, kind of down on the
lock need the money, and they're in a casino and
Robert Redford makes eyes at Demi Moore and at some
(40:52):
point in time of the movie and I probably have
to refresh on watch the movie, but when I saw
this story, he offered and again as at the time,
what a million dollars to sleep with? To me? More
to Woody Harrelson. Right, And it's one of those where
don't ever ever ever take your wife or girlfriend to
(41:12):
this movie or watch it or throw it. Don't ever
do it because it always begs the question like what
would you do? Baby? Baby? There's not a dollar amount
in the world, but there's always a number, right. Guys
do this all the time with different sorts of things.
And to some things maybe there's not a number, but
to many things there is a number. There is a number.
(41:35):
And I think, especially to this particular deal, where do
I think Danny knew he wanted a Laker job, like
you felt like if you listened to him, he tucked
himself into it, like yeah, it's the Lakers, but he's
leaving behind a really good situation, a really good contract.
But we told you this yesterday. Go back and look
(41:55):
at all the tweets, right, Woe's tweet and the twets
were the expectations were the the the offer would be
in the one hundred million dollar range, and then when
he turned it down, he turned down six years, seventy
million dollars. What that said to me was that Hurley's
(42:16):
people said, if you want to get this done, one
hundred million dollars is the number. Hit that number. There's
your coach. Don't hit that number. And I don't know,
here's Danny Hurley when asked if there was a number to.
Speaker 8 (42:32):
Leave a place at any moment in your life, I
think that to say that it's not a motivating factor.
The finances to leave a place is definitely a thing.
To stay at a place. I don't think it's ever
going to be a thing like to stay somewhere like Yukon.
If there wasn't, it would never have been. I think
a financial thing like Again, this wasn't like some like
(42:53):
pressure tactic to make me the highest paid college coach
like that, that was already done. But to leave a place,
to leave a place that you feel the way we do,
and the family connection with my wife, my sons, my
mother in law, my brother, my father, you know who,
Like I know how much it means to my dad
(43:14):
to go to the big Eiast tournament to leave all
that behind.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
There probably is a number.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
It's not many doors. Yes you do. That's the only
part to where eh. And then a hundred milliy dollars?
Was it a guarantee that you do it? It's a lot.
That's a lot of money, you know, because then you
look and you're like, I don't know, like what's hundred
million dollars? But there's the hundred million dollars. There's always
a number, and I think that's actually a fair way
(43:46):
to look at things, Like he's a human being. It's
the liquors. It's a great job. Why do you take it?
They didn't hit the number. And when people have that
with their house, you have that with your car.
Speaker 10 (44:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Do you want to move? Zillo has that right to
make me move? You can put on Zillo what it
costs to make you move. I am not selling this
house is my forever home. What you want to give me?
How much? And there's a comedian I don't remember his name.
I gotta look up, I gotta google it, or he
did this thing on Sean Conry being the dragon and
(44:24):
dragon Heart. You know, can you imagine the pitch of
when they asked Sean Connery about being the dragon? This
is sir Shorton Cornery. You want me to pray a
dragon or the voice of a dragon? I'm knighted, I'm
how much you know? And sure not? He played the
voice of a dragon. Everybody's got a number and even
(44:48):
Dan Hurley.
Speaker 11 (44:51):
I think of that in commercials lately of who was
willing to lend their song to the commercial. And now
well there was even a there was even a commercial
where I can't remember the company and I didn't want
to throw them under the bus, but there were three
like popular musicians that you would be like, Wow, these
(45:13):
musicians really felt like they were anti establishment.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
And now they're not.
Speaker 11 (45:19):
Only is it the music that's appearing in the commercial,
like they are actually appearing in the commercial sure, which
I was pretty that was pretty surprised about, right.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I mean, it's just it's so different than than Ben
Afflack and who's in the Duncan commercial? Tom Brady and
who else is Matt Damon? Right, Like they're really going
to get dressed up there. So everybody's got a number.
I will not do that. Wait how much? Yeah, I'll
do whatever, right, I'll do whatever. I think that's reasonable, Jay,
(45:53):
stud Do you have a number that would make you
move from from from Santa Clarita?
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Of course no, No, I'm easily sold. I work on radio,
so I any kind of money.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
This is, that's not choice numero uno? Correct? Is that's
where your girlfriend's from?
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:14):
She from there?
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yeah, she's from there originally.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Okay, So does she have a number, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
She does too. Yeah, we've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
The number for you, for her is not very high thought.
Let's just be honest, right, you always talked about her,
her your super hot girlfriend. But if somebody said, hey,
if you have to ditch Jason, I mean we even
we get three figures or four, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
I already told her that you offered us your your
place in Newport for free.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah I did until yeah, until I move out. Yes, yeah,
I said you can. You absolutely couldn't. You're gonna come
visit the bank? Interesting, Well, they were going down.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Totally cool, totally cool.
Speaker 11 (47:00):
No, see list No, he was hold on, I realize
how close Jason and I actually do live from each other.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I understand hold on.
Speaker 11 (47:08):
This is to the point when Jason had a surgery
that you went over to his house and visited him
but made no reference to me even being in the area.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Did you have a surgical procedure where you know where
you had.
Speaker 11 (47:21):
Two birds with one stone, like, we aren't how far
apart are we?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Fifteen minutes?
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Jason? Would you say? Yeah, but he makes a good point.
You need to have something awful happen to you. Yeah,
try to work on that.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
You do, you do make it. You do make a
really good point. Okay, I should have done the red
I did do the rounds. I had a there was
a birthday party and Jason's deal and I hadn't seen Jason,
and I need to bring it up.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
It's almost however, I just but I'm dumb, the worst
of the worst. The house thing, Thank you Jason for pointia.
The house thing was he was going down weren't you
going to Newport or going to Orange County? And I
was like, why don't you stay at my house? I'm
not even there, right? That was the conversation, was it Jason?
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Don't mean to say sure yet. I don't blow it
brush it aside, be honest about it.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
No, no, I think that was the conversation.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
I know it was the conversation, but boy, you're really
not selling it the proper way. This is the Doug
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