June 14, 2024 • 47 mins
On a Friday edition of "The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to Caitlin Clark's most recent comments about her name being used in America's culture war.
Doug welcomes NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to discuss all of the major headlines in the NBA Finals and to get the latest on the Lakers' coaching search.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I've reached my point. You know, every every person I know,
we have a limit. Right. There's a pain threshold, There's
an annoyance threshold, there's a a sarcasm threshold. There's a
like do you remember Austin Powers. You remember the movie
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Austin Powers. I actually think Austin Powers two one of
the funniest movies I've ever seen. Austin Powers one. It's
a spoof on all the James Bond films, and so
to many people it's not as humorous. But if you
are a James Bond film person, you're like, oh, it's
really really, really funny. But I think it's in Austin
Powers three where and maybe in two as well, where
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he gets to the he makes the the three funny
quips and then okay, that's it. We move on, right.
Everybody has a limit. I've hit my limit with with
what we're doing with Caitlin Clark. I've hit my limit
completely and totally, you know, And this is what we do.
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We kind of ruin everything, you know. It's like in
a America. Everywhere you go, every small town in America,
now we do strip malls everywhere. Like we went from
these big gigantic malls in the eighties and nineties and
early two thousands to now everything is strip mall. And
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maybe you used to like cute Doba or Chipotle or
Starbucks or whatever, but now they're all in a row,
and every town looks like the next and there are
no cute little downtowns with their own cute little coffee shops. Right,
everything gets bastardized for a better term. And in stories now,
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especially sports stories, but also media stories, but sports stories,
everything becomes political and racial and divisive, and I have
had it, and I think you have too. I think
you have two. We played this for you yesterday and
I'll fully admit that Jim Trotter, I would him a friend,
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but I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for whatever
he's emotionally going through where something has happened over the
past five or so years where he's that everything is
racist guy, Right, And like, look, if you have friends
who are of a different ethnicity, you know that there's
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every there's a person in every race who has that ability.
And usually we joke about it, right, we joke about
if you have black friends, if you're a white guy,
there's always the black friend that everything's racist. You have
the Mexican friends everything's race. You have the white friend
that you know claims claims everything is is racist. Again,
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there's always the one person. If you have ten friends,
there's the one that's like, dude, that guy. Look, we
have all kinds of different friends. You have the drunk friend,
you have the guy who's the unlucky lover, you have
the guy who's got the bad dad bod at a
young age, right, But there's always that one guy that
everything's racist. That's what Jim Trotter has become. And I
don't know what if you'd say it's what's happened in
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the media, or our treatment of the media, or President
Trump or the people that supported President Trump, or the
way in which some of the news organizations. I mean,
you could even go back to when President Obama was
in office, like some of that stuff was just awful, right,
I mean, I'll just be honest with you, like, let's
not pull punches. Donald Trump lived on the lie that
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President Obama wasn't born in America. It was awful. It's
an awful lie. And what happened there was there were
people that felt everything became racially divisive. And I'm not
going to sit here and tell you that racism doesn't exist, Okay,
but everything in our country that currently exists has existed
for a long time, but it becomes amplified by social media.
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It's no different then than when there's white supremacists are marching. Right.
We make it out to be this gigantic thing. It's gross,
it's disgusting, but it's always been there, right. The kukuts
Can has marched in different parts of the country for
one hundred years, you know, and if they get their permit,
they're allowed to march, but it becomes amplified because of
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social media. Same thing with the gay pride parades, right,
those have always existed. Those have existed, They're amplified because
of social media. But whatever has happened to a gentleman
like Jim Trotter, he was a gentleman. It's gross because
now everything is racism. And the perfect example of that
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is what happened yesterday with Kitlin Clark. So here's Jim
Trotter asking Caitlin Clark about what I believe are some
imaginary storylines that her name and her career is being
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used to promote racism and massagy. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I wonder from you a sad point.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
How do you feel about people using the young n
in whatever culture wars or whatever wars they're fighting.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
How do you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's not something I can control, so you know, I
don't put too much thought in time into thinking about
things like that, And to be honest, I don't see
a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But I don't understanding your focus.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
But I'm just curious though, A pardon you, Bob, because
folks would attempt to recognize your name and whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Fighters No, I don't see it.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
That's not where my focus is. Again, my focus is
here and on basketball, and you know that's where it
needs to be, and that's where it has been. I'm
trying to get better on a daily basis, Jim.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
She doesn't want to talk about it, and you know what,
you have just as much right to speak your mind
as you do to not say anything at all. I
don't want to be political. I just want to play basketball.
I just want to play basketball. You're making none of
this fun. And look, I'm a defender of many of
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the tactics of these women as not being racially based.
But the more and more I see, the more and
more I read, the more and more I hear, I
realize that might not always be the case. The point
is that if you point out the thirty greatest women's
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basketball players of all time, it's really divided among racial lines.
There's just as many good white women as there are
black women. And even recently, Sabrina Yenescu was popular, not
to the level of Caitlin Clark, but popular has their
own shoe. It's actually, I believe one of the top
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selling if not, the top selling shoe at Nike. But
there was no Venom directed there, no Venom directed at
Kelsey Plumb. Only Venom directed they're both white. Only Venom
directed at Caitlyn Clark. Why because she's popular? And this
is what it really comes down to, Okay, life is
a popularity contest and sometimes we don't know why. You know,
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does her race play a factor? Maybe? But again it's
hard to make that correlation when Sabrina and Kelsey Plumb
were just as successful just a couple of years ago,
and they're the same race. Does it have to do
with looks? I don't know, like Sabrina and like they
look kind of saying, and Kelsey Plum's pretty too, Like
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they're all relatively attractive white women, and there's you know,
I don't know. Angel Reese is a beautiful young black woman,
Like I don't think it has to do with being pretty.
Does that have to do with location? Probably some? Does
that have to do with sexuality maybe? I think that
the only thing that separates her is she's crazy popular
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and nobody likes you. And what happens when people don't
like you and you're immature or you've never faced any
sort of criticism before as you lash out and you
blame other people, you blame other people, And I again
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would I would love for anyone to tell me who
are these imaginary people who are using Caitlin Clark's name
to justify racism, bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia and intersectionalities of
them all. That's, by the way, what de Johnny Carrington
posted on her social Dejon eight whatever Carrington posted on
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her social media dog how can you not be bothered?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What am I bothered by? She said she just wants
to play basketball, She's not on social media. What are
you even talking about? I'm really struggling with this one
because it really really upsets me. There are zero negatives
to the Caitlin Clark story. None, none, none. She did
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the John Cena you can't see me. The difference in
her doing it to Angel Reese. You here doing it
and then Angel Reese doing it in the next game.
Was Angel Reese did it to her face and taunted her.
We pointed this out where she just did it. But whatever,
Like you, if you do the John Cena thing, then
they can do it to you. Fine, again, where is
racism in any of that and it was a year ago.
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Why are we ruining everything? And Jim Trotter, I point,
I call you out. That is really crumbing. And by
the way, Steven A. Smith did the same thing today,
went on a big rant on first first take, like, dude,
you are all a bunch of morons and you're making
things bad which are great. What's the negative to the
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Caitlin Clark story. Somebody explained it to me. Somebody explained
to me. Was anybody else hurt during her rise? No?
Will everybody else potentially make a lot of money? Yes,
all you've wanted for the twenty six years of this
debuckle of a business. Right if a business loses money
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for twenty six consecutive years. And unlike the men's game,
unlike the NBA, the values of franchises haven't gone up.
Instead they've gone down or state relatively. Say, okay, all
you've done. All you've done is complain about nobody pays
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attention to us and we don't get the same sort
of treatment as everybody else, which again you actually do.
You just don't know who you are. This is what
I mean. They're busy comparing themselves to the NBA. They
aren't it is a completely different scale. They don't compare
themselves to any other sport at their revenue level. If
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they did, they'd be like, man, we're on ESPN and ABC.
Why is that? Well, because it's summer programming that they're
jamming in there, but it's just as I'm so disgusted
by it. And then Caitlin Clark, remember she said, Hey,
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I just want to play basketball, and then Jim Trotter
asked her a second question, ce double's down. So then
before the game, and this I called the WNBA on
this one. She answered the question. Then they put her
out there and then they're shooting around before the game,
and there's no WNBA or Indiana Fever pr person to
simply say like, hey, she answered the question. Man, Take
a listen to this question where the reporter says, I
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know you just wanted to keep it basketball and I
respect that, and then he asks another question, which, by
the way, means you don't actually respect that. Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You mentioned that you know you want to popostrate on basketball,
and definitely respect that. When just ask you directlar people
use their name to a racist of masage or whatever. Yeah,
I think it's difficult I mean, I think, you know,
everybody in our world, you know, deserves them the same
amount of respect. The women in our league deserve the
same amount of respect, So people should not be using
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my names for those Agendas's disappointing, you know, it's not acceptable.
But yeah, I mean, this league is the league I
grew up admiring and wanting to be a part of.
Like some of the women in this league were my
biggest idols and role models growing up and helped me
wanting to achieve this moment right here that I get
to plan every single night. So it's treating every single
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woman league with the same amount of respect. I think
it's just a basic human thing that everybody should do, like,
you know, just be a kind person and treat them,
you know, how you would want to be treated.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
And I think it's been a very simple.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Uh yeah, I mean it was a non answer answer.
But here's the thing. Can Jay Stuke, can you point
to any place where her name is being used to
promout racism, massogyny and any of the other things that
we're being told it's being used for. I'm not aware
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that that exists.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Well, I mean, I don't know, I don't know if
it's fair to put me on the spot like that.
I can't speak for any Internet trolls. I can't speak
for what certain players get from losers online, but I
can say this that I would love for these reporters
before they assume that it's happening, or before they their
question insinuates that it's rampant and that it's all over
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the place. I would love for the reporters that ask
these questions to give examples. What exactly are you referring to?
Just to use like these these terms, like your name
is an avatar for hate, your name is an avatar
for massogyny? How do you feel about that? Like there's
a certain like assumption in those questions that it's everywhere
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and everyone knows about it, And that's what bothers me
about this. But I'm guessing anything online could be used
into something racist and misogynistic. I'm guessing it happens in
the worst, deepest parts of Twitter. But I need those examples, like,
bring those examples to light. I would like to see them.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Does anybody know buyer? Do you know any of these examples?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Uh? No, not that, not that I can think of.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, it's we're we're we're doing this. We're doing this
at some point in time where none of it exists.
None of it exists, none of it. None of that exists.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm not willing to say that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, again, it doesn't exist in the reputable, mainstream world
of the media. It doesn't like again, that's the problem.
This is. This is an issue with social media where
we make people who just want to tweet stuff somehow
their opinions become valid and they're just not. Again, I'm
not saying none of it exists, but it doesn't exist
on anything that matters, and continuing to badger her and
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make her like take some sort of stand like what
are we doing? What? We've completely lost since And I
don't know who the troll is with the second question,
but this is not okay for Jim Trotter, Like, dude,
you've been in this business a long time. She said,
I just want to keep it to basketball, and then
you're like, that's not good enough, and then some other
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stooley comes out there. It's just awful. We've ruined something
really cool, and every person I know that's in sports
business thinks leaving her off the Olympic team is among
the dumbest business decisions ever made. It is New Coke
level of idiocy. And if you don't know about New Coke,
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just google it. You can see it's one of the
dumbest decisions in the history of business. It's having the
Chevy Nova in Mexico. So in Mexico Nova it means
no go. That's how dumb it is. But we we
just do this. We just ruined stuff. We bastardize things.
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You know, I'm so irritated by because I love sports
and I like sports banter, but this is one to
which if you always retreat to the AT's racist. Everybody's
racist missogynists, Like, what, what in the actual heck is
going on here?
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Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm not understating it, and
I'm saying it Mark. As you know, out of respect,
everybody has organizations that they are more connected with than others,
and the Mavericks is one in which you've always been
dialed into. So give me your sense of their internal
feelings about about Luca and not just the play on offense,
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the play on defense and some of the things that
have taken place in the series. Because the outside voices
are acting as if his defense, the fouling out, the
theatrics with the officials are are a red flag. Is
that mirrored inside those their offices.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I can't imagine it's going to surprise you to share
with you this. No, the Mavericks do not see it's
the way the outside world sees it. And you know,
off of one game and look, no, Luca most certainly
did not cover himself in glory at the defensive end,
the way he interacted with the referees, all that stuff.
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I mean, obviously it was a more than sub par
night on those fronts, but look, everything gets magnified by
twenty five times in the finals. But to me, it's
just it's been way too much, way too much focus
on one game. You know, talk that this is going
to change his legacy, and you know, of course the
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Mavericks would love him to be playing better team defense.
But I think in Dallas, you know, it's looked at
differently from the perspective of a this is the guy
who got them here. They beat three fifty win teams
just to get to the finals. The West was absolutely
sacked and the Mavericks got through it. So one bad game,
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you know, mistakes, I mean, four fouls in a quarter.
I still can't believe it. I was sitting five feet
away from the whistles and I still can't believe it.
But you know, there are certainly areas for improvement, and
I think we've seen in the past that bad performances
or off or criticize performances on this stage do lead
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to down the road improvement. But he's twenty five, and
you know, this, to me doesn't define anything. This series
is much more about Boston and what the Celtics are doing.
I mean, Luca was still plus nine in Game three,
with any array of highlights that you want to bring
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together to point out his defensive deficiencies, there are. Their
issues have been much more at the offensive ends, and
Boston to me, just deserves a ton of credit. You know,
we've talked all these long about how good defensively Minnesota is.
I think we forgot how good Boston is. And you know,
face purely on the eye test. Yeah, I have not
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seen any team that makes Dallas work as hard as
they have been, who can take away all the corner
threes and the lobs and Lucas still getting his points
and Kyrie got his points in Game three, but they
are having to work super hard to do it. So
you know, again, for me, this series is much more
about what the Celtics have done and did it in
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Game three without Porzingis, who so many of us thought
was really the X factor and difference maker. And I
think going into Game three the Celtics were plus twenty
five with Porzingis off the floor and even without him,
and it didn't even matter to them that they didn't
have him in Game three.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh, Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Give me the coach, give me the coach perspective. What
do you seeing? I mean, you're watching it from thirty
thousand feet, but what do you think.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh, I'm glad you pointed out, like I'm with you.
I mean, I it's really weird. Like, yes, he complains
a lot, okay, but he also when he gets called
for foul that he can, he'll go, he'll point out
that it's my fault. Like he's he's just he's he's
kind of a euro That's kind of how he is.
It's really weird, Like everybody forgets how annoying Tim Duncan was.
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Tim Duncan complained about every foul call as well.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
To be clear, he has to improve in that, like he.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Has no question, no question.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Way too far on occasion with that, and Game three
is one of those occasions. But I'm not gonna sit
here and say his defense is the end of the world,
you know, a disaster and you know everything wrong with
the Dallas. It's just not true. I mean yet, he is.
He is a defensive liability. And he's gonna have to
work on his conditioning too so he can have more
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in the tank at the end of games. But yes,
and this guy got this team there, and nobody had
the Mavericks making the finals, Like, who do you know
this said? The Dallas Mavericks is gonna win the West number.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Actually that was that was kind of my point. I mean, look,
I view this as like Lebron's first finals with the Caps.
You know where we're gonna look back and go. Can
you believe Lebron got Booby Gibson to the finals? Right?
Like Dereck Jones. Come on, man, you know Derek Lively
as a rookie and oh yeah, by the way, some
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of it is also the strength of Gafford and Lively
is protecting the rim and some of that by design,
like he doesn't want to let guys go around him,
but when they do go around him, he goes and
fly switches and picks up a guy and you're supposed
to funnel him to Lively or to Gafford. Well, the
difference is with the Celtics, they don't have anybody in
the paint, right, so you got to run out to
the corners and the rim protection doesn't matter as much.
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So there's there's an X and O component, there's a
matchup component to it, and I agree, Like the thing
that I'm most concerned about is, like I thought, we've
been down this road of conditioning being an issue in
the past, and you know, every off season, we see
some we see some video of him running and getting
into great shape, and how does he get into worst
shape as the season goes on. That that's the part
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where it's got to be die wise or drinking or whatever.
But but he and I know he's banged up as well.
That's the only part that gives me pause. I thought
the like, I can't believe they fouled out the best
player on the floor, Like I just on too two
kind of collision plays where you could just let him
play without one.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
That is, he took two really dumb fouls, two that
come back to haunt you. But yeah, I mean four
fouls in the fourth quarter. I mean, when do you
ever see a star ring up four fouls in the
fourth quarter? Like it just it, you know, it doesn't happen.
So but look, you mentioned Lebron's first finals. You know,
to me, the more applicable example is his second finals,
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when you know he had such a nightmare against Dallas
and like, imagine have we said at the time, this
is going to define Lebron's legacy. I mean, you know,
Luca has time and will have chances to rebound from this,
because look, I certainly don't expect you know, we know
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no team has ever come back from three to zero.
We just haven't had any hints of an indication that
the MAVs are going to be the first one to
do it. But you know, he's twenty five. This is
you know this, this is not it's way too soon
to be talking legacy.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Right wait, wait, way too soon. Way wait, wait, way
too soon. And but here's the other part to it.
Like you mentioned about the Celtics, I got to tell you,
I think it's about Brad Stevens, like putting together this team,
making some hard decisions, you know, parting ways with Marcus Smart,
but then bringing aboard perzingis you know what they've been
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able to do with Drew Holiday. I mean, heck, I
mean handing over.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
There with you. I wrote it, he wrote it. I
wrote a huge piece about it Monday. I mean, you know,
we've been talking so much lately about Dan Hurley and
could he make the jump from college coaching to NBA
coaching had he decided to take the Lakers job. Brad Stevens,
he went from college to the NBA and coached I
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don't know, six seven, eight years. He's a better GM
than he's been a coach. I mean, he has his
run as GM has been absolutely outstanding. There are only
three Executive of the Year winners in Celtic history Red Auerback,
Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens. And Stevens has earned every
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bit of it with move after move after moves that
he's made. And you know what in his basketball past
would have told you that he was going to be
such a good executive. But the move for him to
replace Age, leave the bench and become an executive, I mean,
he's on an absolute heater with the string of moves
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he's made. I mean, you know it wasn't you know,
they got for Zingis and that wasn't easy because they
had to give up Marcus Smart and you know the
holiday obviously, you know anybody would have done that move
in a second given the chance. But you know, he's
made some difficult you know, the Porzingis one was a
difficult one and an emotional one, and there was criticism
and skepticism. And he's just had a fantastic impact in
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the front office.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
No Mark Stein, right, Mark Stein, He's got a substack.
And of course this League un Cut is a tremendous
podcast team, Chris Haynes have it, Okay, I know how
it works. For the NBA Finals, everybody's chattering about the
Lakers thing. What's the reality, right, you got yeah, woes,
you got shams? What what? What? What really took place?
And what's really going to happen?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Well, listen, I mean Hurley was offered the job like
this was not some made up thing. If Dan Hurley says, yes,
he's the Lakers coach. So I mean, we know that
JJ Reddick and James Brago have been at the forefront
of this search for weeks now, but the Lakers did
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make the decision to go in a different direction and
throw a significant offer at Danny Hurley that he decided
to pass on. And look, I think I told you
this the last time we discussed it. I am no
college basketball expert. I don't know Dan Hurley. I haven't
met him, but based on everything that I've heard about him,
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I'm not surprised that he chose to stay in his
college empire. And I know this week he's been on
a bit of a media tour trying to say he
didn't need the Laker job for leverage, and I tend
to believe that too. I mean, was there any doubt
that Yukon was going to make him the highest stayed
coach in the college game. He just won two championships,
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He's going for three in a row. I mean, he
is the number one guy in the college game right now.
So I don't think he needed this offer to but
made Dukan's step off.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, but I thought when he said, you know, I mean, look,
everybody's got a number. And when I read into it
and tell me if I'm wrong, is he had the
expectations of one hundred million dollar offer and it ends
up being so it feels like he went out there
and the the take it or leave it off, or
if it was one hundred he would have taken it.
And because it was seventy, I was like, eh, I
think I'm good.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Yeah, And look there are there is still much more
to learn, and I you know, I still have more
reporting to do to find out why did the offer
pop out at seventy why didn't the Lakers go farther.
But I you know, the conspiracy theory notion that the
Lakers just went for Hurley to make their process look
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more thorough, I don't think it helps them to go
after Hurley and not get it. I think it's a
huge hit for them to go after Hurley and not
get him. There's already going to be incredible pressure on
Reddick or Barago or whoever gets this job. Now they
have to do it with the perception of that they
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were the second choice at best. I don't think that
makes their jobs any easier. So I don't like. I
just I don't buy the notion that just by going
after Hurley, the Lakers did themselves a solid in the
perception stakes. I really don't like when they went for him.
My thought was, A, this makes sense because of hurley credentials,
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but B they better get him. They better bring this
thing to the finish line. And it didn't happen. And
I don't think people in the college game are surprised
that Hurley chose to stay. Maybe you're right, maybe had
the offer been richer, maybe he would have gone. But
it's it's the Lakers. Yeah, I mean, they still don't
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have a coach, and it isn't clear when you talk
to people around in the league what direction they're going
to go.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Now, crazy stuff, Sonny, you're the best I know. You
got the game tonight, hopefully It's not the last NBA
game in the season either way. I encourage everybody to
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League Uncut with fellow insider Chris Haynes. Find it where
you find all your best podcasts. Mark enjoyed the game night.
We'll talk soon, We'll do it.
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really really well. Getting ready for a great sports weekend. Tonight.
We may we may have the last, We may have
the last NBA game of the year. We are definitely
in danger, definitely in danger of seeing a sweep and
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seeing the end of a basketball season. And I guess
maybe in danger. We talked about like it's ominous. Hey,
that'd be a great celebration for the Celtics. You know,
historic franchise returns the glory, wins its eighteenth title, and
then you'd have the Celtics and Lakers both with eighteen apiece.
That'd be amazing, amazing. But before the NBA game tonight, yesterday,
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the Mavericks had a day off of actual court work
in practice. So Luca sat down with the ESPN and
ABC folks, and here's Luca answering questions about the situation
that he put his team in by fouling out last
night two nights ago.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Kyrie said, after the game, you know, what did you
say to Luca?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And he said, at this point you just kind of
have to give him a hug and tell him it's okay.
But did you feel like you let your teammates down?
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Yeah, of course, I mean, like I said, you know,
it wasn't the smartest thing to do, especially in this
situation is the finals. You got to give everything little
tie out there. But yeah, you know, car has been
great for me just having.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
In one year.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So what did you say to your teammates afterwards?
Speaker 8 (33:03):
It's my bet you know can do that, especially the
NBA finals, you know, record sas it's a little bit different.
But you can't really do that in the finals.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, he can't really do that in the finals. Now,
I've heard lots of people say, oh, this is spin,
this is damage control. They stuck Luke out there to
do a sit down interview simply because they were trying
to change the narrative and make him what's the word
I'm looking for contrite for his complaining about the officials
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constantly show contrition. And I think a lot of people
maybe don't understand the reality of all this stuff. Those
interviews take place every on those practice days anyway. It's
just like tonight before the game, there'll be a press
conference that they make the coaches do even though the
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game's coming up at night. It doesn't make any sense.
That's what they do. I've heard people be critical of
ESPN because they have these really really short segments and
halftime shows. That's because it's network TV. They have network breaks.
It's not like TNT. They can't go for you know,
ten minutes and just talk. Remember, this is where these
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networks are trying to make up all the revenue, and
they're going to try and make it all up because
they may only have four games instead of seven. So
that's why they have those really dumb segments that are
sponsored that are like sixty seconds long and you can't
even breathe to try and speak and get all your
thoughts in. That's Network TV. What would I know? I
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worked for Network TV for five years of work for CBS.
It's just different. It's just different. The sit down interviews
are pre planned. But you don't buy that. Dude, Jaysu
is a conspiracy theorist and he thinks the powers that
be made him, what explain him? Luca himself? Is that
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what you think?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Oh, I'm not alone in that. That's what I've I've
read elsewhere too, and I do you So, just to
get your take right on this, this was pre planned,
like prior to the series. That he's going to do
is sit down with Milika Andrews between games three and four.
Is that what your position is?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
No? I didn't say he's pre planned. I said the
fact that he will sit down to do an interview
with ESPN the day of a game, that the day
before a game, Yes, that's pre planned, But this specific
interview with this specific line of questioning, No, it's not.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I mean remember when who was it Jalen Rose sat
down with what's our guy's name with the gun Jamarant Jamaran,
and that was like a very coordinated thing where they
had jail and ask him like set up questions and
he can clear his name and Milika Andrews questions reek
of that.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Well, you can have problems with the questions, but the
interview itself was pre arranged. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I agree with Jason one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
That's exactly what this felt like, that this was the
NBA's last opportunity. So you don't go into an off
season thinking that you're one of your biggest stars and
possibly your MVP next season is just a big whiny
cry baby, And I think that's this is their last
opportunity to do it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So you you think that the interview itself wasn't planned
and the questions were artificial.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh no, I just said an agreed to undred percent
with Jason. I believe that the questions were the plan.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I don't care about the scheduling of it, okay, just
that the topic of and the tone of it, Yeah,
was that's what it was. That's so that's where I think,
and I think that's where Jason was, but you felt
that they it was a late scheduling.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Which I don't think really matters.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I just think that this thing was not scheduled until
after all the fallout from Game three with Windhorst going
off on him and pretty much the rest of the
broadcast medium doing it. Doug was like the one kind
of voice out or that kind of gave the refs
the deal for it. But I I just think this
was done strategically after Game three.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Okay, all right, then I'm not one hundred percent with Jason.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You're with Jason in regards to the line of questioning
being kind of cleaning it up for the end of
the season. Yes, okay, that that I'm I I'm not
all the way there, you know, because again I don't
know if the edict came down from from the NBA.
I don't know if that was from the Mavericks. I
don't know what's kind of behind it or whether it's
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even Luca whatever. We also don't know these interviews, like
how much was cut out of it, what other stuff
was there, and that this was just kind of because
he he said, and I say it again, that means
that there was previous questions which he had, you know,
a plan to answer for I just like, again, this
is and here's my experience when I was doing. When
you're doing the NCAA tournament, for example, you do the
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free when you come in and say it's a You
have the Thursday Saturday games. On Wednesday, you get an
hour with each team as they're doing their practices on
the court. It's like speed dating. Then you have the
games on Thursday. Then on Friday. It's actually the best
because you get the winning teams. Right, there's what four
winning teams and you get an hour and a half,
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you get I think you get you get an hour, yeh.
Their practice is an hour, and then you get an
hour with each team, like thirty minutes with three players
and thirty minutes with the coach. And it's amazing. But
it's all pre planned. And I would say that the
NBA stuff, those interviews are all pre planned. Now the
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questioning that might have been different. And I think I'm
pretty reasonable in agreeing with you guys and going like
there's some level of like, yeah, we don't really want
to have Luca be you know, Luca has a chance
to capture some pr and admit some faults and you
don't want to make it about the officials and just
make it about basketball. That part, I can, I can
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meet you kind of halfway. I wouldn't do it in
the Jason Stewart, Hey, this was pre arranged. This wasn't
pre arranged, and they just tried to clean some stuff up.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I will say that it is It's a unique situation
because if you're booking this for Luca in your ESPN
or ABC, like in advance Dug to your point, you're
thinking it's a two to one series or a one
to two series, right, and so that's likely your expectation.
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But the other thing is is who's all who do
they all want to talk with on the MAVs. So
you're basically it's either Kyrie or Luca or you know,
I think that would be it in terms of scheduling it.
I don't know how many they've done with Luca before,
but they could have asked them basketball questions even if
they're down three to zero, Can you guys do the impossible?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Can you do? You know? What do you need to do?
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Like?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
All of those things still would be fair game down
three on the series, but they took the opportunity to
try to clean up Luca's reputation after one of their
own eviscerated him on ESPN after the game, that everybody
was talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
That was really interesting, right, And I said this yesterday, Dan,
I just I don't think when you heard it's in
entirety it didn't sound it sounded respectful of him, But man,
it was. That was definitely for for Windhorse, who is
again his role is as an insider and he does
give some opinion, but that was opinion his stuff portanline
(40:35):
analyst stuff, and that was that was definitely a step
aside from role. And I don't know, it's it's just
it's fascinating. I don't remember anybody ever being critical of
Dirk's defense. Granted he never reached the finals and lost.
I don't believe, right, did they ever finals and lose
they would lose in the first round. That was kind
of what you were getting at last hour, Jason, with
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comparing this Mavericks team to the Dirks Mavericks team. Has
they had that one run and then there was a
lot of first round losses.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I get that, but that was as well when they
lost to the Heat.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's right with Dwayne Wade, right, Yeah, in.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Shack Yep, Windhorse sounded like every one of us has
one of those buddies. Maybe we're at the Vegas sportsbook
or something that just lost a bet. Yes, and he
that ninety. I'm not saying he bet on the game.
I don't even know if it's legal for him to
bound in the game, but like, there was some vitriol
there that wasn't just an opinion. There was there was
something personal there, and I'd love to get behind that.
(41:36):
I mean, that was one of the all time rants.
And I think you could argue, you make the point
that he's not necessarily an opinion ess or he's an insider.
I think they they use him as an opinion guy
because he's on first take and all that. Like, you
don't see wo Janowski going on first take unless he's
breaking news, but Windhorse is like a regular, so I
think at least he thinks he's an opinion guy.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
He does. That's that's the problem with that show when
they have it on a daily basis, is it blurs
the lines. And and maybe that doesn't matter anymore to
most people, but I do think that when you're an
inside and you're trying to get information. It matters because
people be like I'm going to get information, like you're
gonna go and kill my dude on TV. Kill my
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dude on TV.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
And you make the point. I mean, they're the rights holder.
It's just it's for to have your an employee of
a network that's promoting the series go off like that. Again,
that's it just seems so out of pocket.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
It is. It felt like, do he lose money on
the game or you know, obviously he's always gotten great
information from from Lebron's camp. You know, is there some
bitterness there which which causes him to be extra over
the top, I'm not sure. Or was he just passionate
about the game and thought the Mavericks had a chance
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and then he's like, how can he be so stupid
to play this way?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I would like to know how they get out to
these leads in the first quarter, then the first time
out comes and then.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's all downhill from there.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
This is you know a few years ago, and the
Mavericks were trying to make their way, Like I remember
the Mavericks and Clippers were having their little rivalry.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Luca would go off.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
He would have like, you know, thirty in the first half,
and we'd all be going crazy, It's Luca Mania. And
then he'd be so gassed and everybody who was out
out of energy, and the Clippers had just come back
and they'd win, and they'd end up you know, they
ended up winning the series. But this is you know what,
Dallas jumps out to an early lead, and then Boston
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just Weather's whatever storm it is, pulls, you know, close
near the end of the first quarter, if not leads,
and then ends up taking it, you know, from there,
or a little while longer. You know, they ran away
with them in the third quarter in Game three. But
instead we're talking about Luca filing out and crying about
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the calls.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You guys
all seem to have a negative view of Luca, right,
is it? Is it? Do we do you consider him?
Dan Byer? Would you consider him just annoying?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
No? I don't. I actually I don't. That's that's far
from it.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Okay, I'm glad I asked, So what what is Let
me let me ask a more fair question. What is
your uh, what's what's your view of Luca?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
So here's an overall thought process. And it's funny that
we're talking about this and not to make this about me,
but a couple of weeks ago on my Sunday show,
Doug Kerry Rhodes and I talked about Anthony Edwards and
when Anthony Edwards was getting gassed in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
And the point that I made was all of ant.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Stuff over the past couple of years of joking about
his diet and like popeyes and stuff that doesn't sit.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Well when you're gassed.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
You know, at the ends of games and of games
one and two in the Western Conference Finals, you have
to kind of start to take things seriously. And at
that point, I said, Luca right now, like if this
was Luca, and I think Kerry even said this, if
if Luca was the one in this situation, we'd be like, man,
he seems to be a bit out of shape again,
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loves to go and you know, smoke Kuka and do
all that stuff that that would be fair game. And
I think now this performance in the finals and his
attitude brings that into play, like I do. I love
Luca and I think that he will be, you know,
one of the faces of the NBA. He'll win multiple
MVPs in his career. I believe that's going to happen.
(45:46):
But I do think at some point you kind of
have to become a real, real professional, and right now
it is showing that he is not. With his antics
and other facts there's that maybe come to health and
being that professional and reaching his true max potential.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Other factors being that he doesn't play any defense.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, okay, just even being in you know.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But being in shape is the bit is a big
is a big thing. Yeah, you know, it is weird
that he's coming in really good shape and then seemingly
falling out of shape during the season, where you know,
Shaq was famous for coming in out of shape and
then playing his way into shape. Like one would think
playing that many minutes in that many games, you'd be
in pretty good shape. But he's not.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know, you know who I point to remember Mellow
for Mellow is mellow for so long and then all
of a sudden he like got into shape.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
You're like, whoa, Yes, Jolkicic, same thing.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Remember, all of a sudden Yolkic became like I think
that's what that's what Luca needs to do. So I
think this is part of just an even more of
a bigger picture when.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It comes to Luca.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I think if they weren't being swept, and if this
was a you know, an even series, or they lost
in six or seven, a lot of this stuff isn't
being talked about. But they're about to be bounced. He
looked awful in Game three, both complaining and on defense,
and now it becomes the only thing we talk about
because that's it's a foregone conclusion that Boston's probably gonna
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get championship number eighteen.
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I've reached my point. You know, every every person I know,
we have a limit. Right. There's a pain threshold, There's
an annoyance threshold, there's a a sarcasm threshold. There's a
like do you remember Austin Powers. You remember the movie
(01:09):
Austin Powers. I actually think Austin Powers two one of
the funniest movies I've ever seen. Austin Powers one. It's
a spoof on all the James Bond films, and so
to many people it's not as humorous. But if you
are a James Bond film person, you're like, oh, it's
really really, really funny. But I think it's in Austin
Powers three where and maybe in two as well, where
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he gets to the he makes the the three funny
quips and then okay, that's it. We move on, right.
Everybody has a limit. I've hit my limit with with
what we're doing with Caitlin Clark. I've hit my limit
completely and totally, you know, And this is what we do.
(01:53):
We kind of ruin everything, you know. It's like in
a America. Everywhere you go, every small town in America,
now we do strip malls everywhere. Like we went from
these big gigantic malls in the eighties and nineties and
early two thousands to now everything is strip mall. And
(02:15):
maybe you used to like cute Doba or Chipotle or
Starbucks or whatever, but now they're all in a row,
and every town looks like the next and there are
no cute little downtowns with their own cute little coffee shops. Right,
everything gets bastardized for a better term. And in stories now,
(02:37):
especially sports stories, but also media stories, but sports stories,
everything becomes political and racial and divisive, and I have
had it, and I think you have too. I think
you have two. We played this for you yesterday and
I'll fully admit that Jim Trotter, I would him a friend,
(03:01):
but I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for whatever
he's emotionally going through where something has happened over the
past five or so years where he's that everything is
racist guy, Right, And like, look, if you have friends
who are of a different ethnicity, you know that there's
(03:24):
every there's a person in every race who has that ability.
And usually we joke about it, right, we joke about
if you have black friends, if you're a white guy,
there's always the black friend that everything's racist. You have
the Mexican friends everything's race. You have the white friend
that you know claims claims everything is is racist. Again,
(03:45):
there's always the one person. If you have ten friends,
there's the one that's like, dude, that guy. Look, we
have all kinds of different friends. You have the drunk friend,
you have the guy who's the unlucky lover, you have
the guy who's got the bad dad bod at a
young age, right, But there's always that one guy that
everything's racist. That's what Jim Trotter has become. And I
don't know what if you'd say it's what's happened in
(04:06):
the media, or our treatment of the media, or President
Trump or the people that supported President Trump, or the
way in which some of the news organizations. I mean,
you could even go back to when President Obama was
in office, like some of that stuff was just awful, right,
I mean, I'll just be honest with you, like, let's
not pull punches. Donald Trump lived on the lie that
(04:29):
President Obama wasn't born in America. It was awful. It's
an awful lie. And what happened there was there were
people that felt everything became racially divisive. And I'm not
going to sit here and tell you that racism doesn't exist, Okay,
but everything in our country that currently exists has existed
for a long time, but it becomes amplified by social media.
(04:52):
It's no different then than when there's white supremacists are marching. Right.
We make it out to be this gigantic thing. It's gross,
it's disgusting, but it's always been there, right. The kukuts
Can has marched in different parts of the country for
one hundred years, you know, and if they get their permit,
they're allowed to march, but it becomes amplified because of
(05:13):
social media. Same thing with the gay pride parades, right,
those have always existed. Those have existed, They're amplified because
of social media. But whatever has happened to a gentleman
like Jim Trotter, he was a gentleman. It's gross because
now everything is racism. And the perfect example of that
(05:37):
is what happened yesterday with Kitlin Clark. So here's Jim
Trotter asking Caitlin Clark about what I believe are some
imaginary storylines that her name and her career is being
(05:57):
used to promote racism and massagy. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I wonder from you a sad point.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
How do you feel about people using the young n
in whatever culture wars or whatever wars they're fighting.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
How do you feel about it?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's not something I can control, so you know, I
don't put too much thought in time into thinking about
things like that, And to be honest, I don't see
a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
But I don't understanding your focus.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
But I'm just curious though, A pardon you, Bob, because
folks would attempt to recognize your name and whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Fighters No, I don't see it.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
That's not where my focus is. Again, my focus is
here and on basketball, and you know that's where it
needs to be, and that's where it has been. I'm
trying to get better on a daily basis, Jim.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
She doesn't want to talk about it, and you know what,
you have just as much right to speak your mind
as you do to not say anything at all. I
don't want to be political. I just want to play basketball.
I just want to play basketball. You're making none of
this fun. And look, I'm a defender of many of
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the tactics of these women as not being racially based.
But the more and more I see, the more and
more I read, the more and more I hear, I
realize that might not always be the case. The point
is that if you point out the thirty greatest women's
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basketball players of all time, it's really divided among racial lines.
There's just as many good white women as there are
black women. And even recently, Sabrina Yenescu was popular, not
to the level of Caitlin Clark, but popular has their
own shoe. It's actually, I believe one of the top
(07:45):
selling if not, the top selling shoe at Nike. But
there was no Venom directed there, no Venom directed at
Kelsey Plumb. Only Venom directed they're both white. Only Venom
directed at Caitlyn Clark. Why because she's popular? And this
is what it really comes down to, Okay, life is
a popularity contest and sometimes we don't know why. You know,
(08:10):
does her race play a factor? Maybe? But again it's
hard to make that correlation when Sabrina and Kelsey Plumb
were just as successful just a couple of years ago,
and they're the same race. Does it have to do
with looks? I don't know, like Sabrina and like they
look kind of saying, and Kelsey Plum's pretty too, Like
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they're all relatively attractive white women, and there's you know,
I don't know. Angel Reese is a beautiful young black woman,
Like I don't think it has to do with being pretty.
Does that have to do with location? Probably some? Does
that have to do with sexuality maybe? I think that
the only thing that separates her is she's crazy popular
(08:54):
and nobody likes you. And what happens when people don't
like you and you're immature or you've never faced any
sort of criticism before as you lash out and you
blame other people, you blame other people, And I again
(09:14):
would I would love for anyone to tell me who
are these imaginary people who are using Caitlin Clark's name
to justify racism, bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia and intersectionalities of
them all. That's, by the way, what de Johnny Carrington
posted on her social Dejon eight whatever Carrington posted on
(09:37):
her social media dog how can you not be bothered?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What am I bothered by? She said she just wants
to play basketball, She's not on social media. What are
you even talking about? I'm really struggling with this one
because it really really upsets me. There are zero negatives
to the Caitlin Clark story. None, none, none. She did
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the John Cena you can't see me. The difference in
her doing it to Angel Reese. You here doing it
and then Angel Reese doing it in the next game.
Was Angel Reese did it to her face and taunted her.
We pointed this out where she just did it. But whatever,
Like you, if you do the John Cena thing, then
they can do it to you. Fine, again, where is
racism in any of that and it was a year ago.
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Why are we ruining everything? And Jim Trotter, I point,
I call you out. That is really crumbing. And by
the way, Steven A. Smith did the same thing today,
went on a big rant on first first take, like, dude,
you are all a bunch of morons and you're making
things bad which are great. What's the negative to the
(10:51):
Caitlin Clark story. Somebody explained it to me. Somebody explained
to me. Was anybody else hurt during her rise? No?
Will everybody else potentially make a lot of money? Yes,
all you've wanted for the twenty six years of this
debuckle of a business. Right if a business loses money
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for twenty six consecutive years. And unlike the men's game,
unlike the NBA, the values of franchises haven't gone up.
Instead they've gone down or state relatively. Say, okay, all
you've done. All you've done is complain about nobody pays
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attention to us and we don't get the same sort
of treatment as everybody else, which again you actually do.
You just don't know who you are. This is what
I mean. They're busy comparing themselves to the NBA. They
aren't it is a completely different scale. They don't compare
themselves to any other sport at their revenue level. If
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they did, they'd be like, man, we're on ESPN and ABC.
Why is that? Well, because it's summer programming that they're
jamming in there, but it's just as I'm so disgusted
by it. And then Caitlin Clark, remember she said, Hey,
(12:16):
I just want to play basketball, and then Jim Trotter
asked her a second question, ce double's down. So then
before the game, and this I called the WNBA on
this one. She answered the question. Then they put her
out there and then they're shooting around before the game,
and there's no WNBA or Indiana Fever pr person to
simply say like, hey, she answered the question. Man, Take
a listen to this question where the reporter says, I
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know you just wanted to keep it basketball and I
respect that, and then he asks another question, which, by
the way, means you don't actually respect that. Take a listen.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You mentioned that you know you want to popostrate on basketball,
and definitely respect that. When just ask you directlar people
use their name to a racist of masage or whatever. Yeah,
I think it's difficult I mean, I think, you know,
everybody in our world, you know, deserves them the same
amount of respect. The women in our league deserve the
same amount of respect, So people should not be using
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my names for those Agendas's disappointing, you know, it's not acceptable.
But yeah, I mean, this league is the league I
grew up admiring and wanting to be a part of.
Like some of the women in this league were my
biggest idols and role models growing up and helped me
wanting to achieve this moment right here that I get
to plan every single night. So it's treating every single
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woman league with the same amount of respect. I think
it's just a basic human thing that everybody should do, like,
you know, just be a kind person and treat them,
you know, how you would want to be treated.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
And I think it's been a very simple.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Uh yeah, I mean it was a non answer answer.
But here's the thing. Can Jay Stuke, can you point
to any place where her name is being used to
promout racism, massogyny and any of the other things that
we're being told it's being used for. I'm not aware
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that that exists.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Well, I mean, I don't know, I don't know if
it's fair to put me on the spot like that.
I can't speak for any Internet trolls. I can't speak
for what certain players get from losers online, but I
can say this that I would love for these reporters
before they assume that it's happening, or before they their
question insinuates that it's rampant and that it's all over
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the place. I would love for the reporters that ask
these questions to give examples. What exactly are you referring to?
Just to use like these these terms, like your name
is an avatar for hate, your name is an avatar
for massogyny? How do you feel about that? Like there's
a certain like assumption in those questions that it's everywhere
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and everyone knows about it, And that's what bothers me
about this. But I'm guessing anything online could be used
into something racist and misogynistic. I'm guessing it happens in
the worst, deepest parts of Twitter. But I need those examples, like,
bring those examples to light. I would like to see them.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Does anybody know buyer? Do you know any of these examples?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Uh? No, not that, not that I can think of.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, it's we're we're we're doing this. We're doing this
at some point in time where none of it exists.
None of it exists, none of it. None of that exists.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm not willing to say that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, again, it doesn't exist in the reputable, mainstream world
of the media. It doesn't like again, that's the problem.
This is. This is an issue with social media where
we make people who just want to tweet stuff somehow
their opinions become valid and they're just not. Again, I'm
not saying none of it exists, but it doesn't exist
on anything that matters, and continuing to badger her and
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make her like take some sort of stand like what
are we doing? What? We've completely lost since And I
don't know who the troll is with the second question,
but this is not okay for Jim Trotter, Like, dude,
you've been in this business a long time. She said,
I just want to keep it to basketball, and then
you're like, that's not good enough, and then some other
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stooley comes out there. It's just awful. We've ruined something
really cool, and every person I know that's in sports
business thinks leaving her off the Olympic team is among
the dumbest business decisions ever made. It is New Coke
level of idiocy. And if you don't know about New Coke,
(16:48):
just google it. You can see it's one of the
dumbest decisions in the history of business. It's having the
Chevy Nova in Mexico. So in Mexico Nova it means
no go. That's how dumb it is. But we we
just do this. We just ruined stuff. We bastardize things.
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You know, I'm so irritated by because I love sports
and I like sports banter, but this is one to
which if you always retreat to the AT's racist. Everybody's
racist missogynists, Like, what, what in the actual heck is
going on here?
Speaker 7 (17:29):
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don't want to keep him waiting. Let's just talk some ball,
shall we. Mark stein joins us. He's an NBA insider.
Of course, he publishes a substack called the Steinline. He
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Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm not understating it, and
I'm saying it Mark. As you know, out of respect,
everybody has organizations that they are more connected with than others,
and the Mavericks is one in which you've always been
dialed into. So give me your sense of their internal
feelings about about Luca and not just the play on offense,
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the play on defense and some of the things that
have taken place in the series. Because the outside voices
are acting as if his defense, the fouling out, the
theatrics with the officials are are a red flag. Is
that mirrored inside those their offices.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
I can't imagine it's going to surprise you to share
with you this. No, the Mavericks do not see it's
the way the outside world sees it. And you know,
off of one game and look, no, Luca most certainly
did not cover himself in glory at the defensive end,
the way he interacted with the referees, all that stuff.
(19:07):
I mean, obviously it was a more than sub par
night on those fronts, but look, everything gets magnified by
twenty five times in the finals. But to me, it's
just it's been way too much, way too much focus
on one game. You know, talk that this is going
to change his legacy, and you know, of course the
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Mavericks would love him to be playing better team defense.
But I think in Dallas, you know, it's looked at
differently from the perspective of a this is the guy
who got them here. They beat three fifty win teams
just to get to the finals. The West was absolutely
sacked and the Mavericks got through it. So one bad game,
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you know, mistakes, I mean, four fouls in a quarter.
I still can't believe it. I was sitting five feet
away from the whistles and I still can't believe it.
But you know, there are certainly areas for improvement, and
I think we've seen in the past that bad performances
or off or criticize performances on this stage do lead
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to down the road improvement. But he's twenty five, and
you know, this, to me doesn't define anything. This series
is much more about Boston and what the Celtics are doing.
I mean, Luca was still plus nine in Game three,
with any array of highlights that you want to bring
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together to point out his defensive deficiencies, there are. Their
issues have been much more at the offensive ends, and
Boston to me, just deserves a ton of credit. You know,
we've talked all these long about how good defensively Minnesota is.
I think we forgot how good Boston is. And you know,
face purely on the eye test. Yeah, I have not
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seen any team that makes Dallas work as hard as
they have been, who can take away all the corner
threes and the lobs and Lucas still getting his points
and Kyrie got his points in Game three, but they
are having to work super hard to do it. So
you know, again, for me, this series is much more
about what the Celtics have done and did it in
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Game three without Porzingis, who so many of us thought
was really the X factor and difference maker. And I
think going into Game three the Celtics were plus twenty
five with Porzingis off the floor and even without him,
and it didn't even matter to them that they didn't
have him in Game three.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Uh, Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Give me the coach, give me the coach perspective. What
do you seeing? I mean, you're watching it from thirty
thousand feet, but what do you think.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh, I'm glad you pointed out, like I'm with you.
I mean, I it's really weird. Like, yes, he complains
a lot, okay, but he also when he gets called
for foul that he can, he'll go, he'll point out
that it's my fault. Like he's he's just he's he's
kind of a euro That's kind of how he is.
It's really weird, Like everybody forgets how annoying Tim Duncan was.
(22:10):
Tim Duncan complained about every foul call as well.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
To be clear, he has to improve in that, like he.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Has no question, no question.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Way too far on occasion with that, and Game three
is one of those occasions. But I'm not gonna sit
here and say his defense is the end of the world,
you know, a disaster and you know everything wrong with
the Dallas. It's just not true. I mean yet, he is.
He is a defensive liability. And he's gonna have to
work on his conditioning too so he can have more
(22:40):
in the tank at the end of games. But yes,
and this guy got this team there, and nobody had
the Mavericks making the finals, Like, who do you know
this said? The Dallas Mavericks is gonna win the West number.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Actually that was that was kind of my point. I mean, look,
I view this as like Lebron's first finals with the Caps.
You know where we're gonna look back and go. Can
you believe Lebron got Booby Gibson to the finals? Right?
Like Dereck Jones. Come on, man, you know Derek Lively
as a rookie and oh yeah, by the way, some
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of it is also the strength of Gafford and Lively
is protecting the rim and some of that by design,
like he doesn't want to let guys go around him,
but when they do go around him, he goes and
fly switches and picks up a guy and you're supposed
to funnel him to Lively or to Gafford. Well, the
difference is with the Celtics, they don't have anybody in
the paint, right, so you got to run out to
the corners and the rim protection doesn't matter as much.
(23:36):
So there's there's an X and O component, there's a
matchup component to it, and I agree, Like the thing
that I'm most concerned about is, like I thought, we've
been down this road of conditioning being an issue in
the past, and you know, every off season, we see
some we see some video of him running and getting
into great shape, and how does he get into worst
shape as the season goes on. That that's the part
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where it's got to be die wise or drinking or whatever.
But but he and I know he's banged up as well.
That's the only part that gives me pause. I thought
the like, I can't believe they fouled out the best
player on the floor, Like I just on too two
kind of collision plays where you could just let him
play without one.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
That is, he took two really dumb fouls, two that
come back to haunt you. But yeah, I mean four
fouls in the fourth quarter. I mean, when do you
ever see a star ring up four fouls in the
fourth quarter? Like it just it, you know, it doesn't happen.
So but look, you mentioned Lebron's first finals. You know,
to me, the more applicable example is his second finals,
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when you know he had such a nightmare against Dallas
and like, imagine have we said at the time, this
is going to define Lebron's legacy. I mean, you know,
Luca has time and will have chances to rebound from this,
because look, I certainly don't expect you know, we know
(24:58):
no team has ever come back from three to zero.
We just haven't had any hints of an indication that
the MAVs are going to be the first one to
do it. But you know, he's twenty five. This is
you know this, this is not it's way too soon
to be talking legacy.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Right wait, wait, way too soon. Way wait, wait, way
too soon. And but here's the other part to it.
Like you mentioned about the Celtics, I got to tell you,
I think it's about Brad Stevens, like putting together this team,
making some hard decisions, you know, parting ways with Marcus Smart,
but then bringing aboard perzingis you know what they've been
(25:36):
able to do with Drew Holiday. I mean, heck, I
mean handing over.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
There with you. I wrote it, he wrote it. I
wrote a huge piece about it Monday. I mean, you know,
we've been talking so much lately about Dan Hurley and
could he make the jump from college coaching to NBA
coaching had he decided to take the Lakers job. Brad Stevens,
he went from college to the NBA and coached I
(26:02):
don't know, six seven, eight years. He's a better GM
than he's been a coach. I mean, he has his
run as GM has been absolutely outstanding. There are only
three Executive of the Year winners in Celtic history Red Auerback,
Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens. And Stevens has earned every
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bit of it with move after move after moves that
he's made. And you know what in his basketball past
would have told you that he was going to be
such a good executive. But the move for him to
replace Age, leave the bench and become an executive, I mean,
he's on an absolute heater with the string of moves
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he's made. I mean, you know it wasn't you know,
they got for Zingis and that wasn't easy because they
had to give up Marcus Smart and you know the
holiday obviously, you know anybody would have done that move
in a second given the chance. But you know, he's
made some difficult you know, the Porzingis one was a
difficult one and an emotional one, and there was criticism
and skepticism. And he's just had a fantastic impact in
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the front office.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
No Mark Stein, right, Mark Stein, He's got a substack.
And of course this League un Cut is a tremendous
podcast team, Chris Haynes have it, Okay, I know how
it works. For the NBA Finals, everybody's chattering about the
Lakers thing. What's the reality, right, you got yeah, woes,
you got shams? What what? What? What really took place?
And what's really going to happen?
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Well, listen, I mean Hurley was offered the job like
this was not some made up thing. If Dan Hurley says, yes,
he's the Lakers coach. So I mean, we know that
JJ Reddick and James Brago have been at the forefront
of this search for weeks now, but the Lakers did
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make the decision to go in a different direction and
throw a significant offer at Danny Hurley that he decided
to pass on. And look, I think I told you
this the last time we discussed it. I am no
college basketball expert. I don't know Dan Hurley. I haven't
met him, but based on everything that I've heard about him,
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I'm not surprised that he chose to stay in his
college empire. And I know this week he's been on
a bit of a media tour trying to say he
didn't need the Laker job for leverage, and I tend
to believe that too. I mean, was there any doubt
that Yukon was going to make him the highest stayed
coach in the college game. He just won two championships,
(28:37):
He's going for three in a row. I mean, he
is the number one guy in the college game right now.
So I don't think he needed this offer to but
made Dukan's step off.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, but I thought when he said, you know, I mean, look,
everybody's got a number. And when I read into it
and tell me if I'm wrong, is he had the
expectations of one hundred million dollar offer and it ends
up being so it feels like he went out there
and the the take it or leave it off, or
if it was one hundred he would have taken it.
And because it was seventy, I was like, eh, I
think I'm good.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Yeah, And look there are there is still much more
to learn, and I you know, I still have more
reporting to do to find out why did the offer
pop out at seventy why didn't the Lakers go farther.
But I you know, the conspiracy theory notion that the
Lakers just went for Hurley to make their process look
(29:33):
more thorough, I don't think it helps them to go
after Hurley and not get it. I think it's a
huge hit for them to go after Hurley and not
get him. There's already going to be incredible pressure on
Reddick or Barago or whoever gets this job. Now they
have to do it with the perception of that they
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were the second choice at best. I don't think that
makes their jobs any easier. So I don't like. I
just I don't buy the notion that just by going
after Hurley, the Lakers did themselves a solid in the
perception stakes. I really don't like when they went for him.
My thought was, A, this makes sense because of hurley credentials,
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but B they better get him. They better bring this
thing to the finish line. And it didn't happen. And
I don't think people in the college game are surprised
that Hurley chose to stay. Maybe you're right, maybe had
the offer been richer, maybe he would have gone. But
it's it's the Lakers. Yeah, I mean, they still don't
(30:37):
have a coach, and it isn't clear when you talk
to people around in the league what direction they're going
to go.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Now, crazy stuff, Sonny, you're the best I know. You
got the game tonight, hopefully It's not the last NBA
game in the season either way. I encourage everybody to
read a substack called the Steinline and listen to this
League Uncut with fellow insider Chris Haynes. Find it where
you find all your best podcasts. Mark enjoyed the game night.
We'll talk soon, We'll do it.
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really really well. Getting ready for a great sports weekend. Tonight.
We may we may have the last, We may have
the last NBA game of the year. We are definitely
in danger, definitely in danger of seeing a sweep and
(31:55):
seeing the end of a basketball season. And I guess
maybe in danger. We talked about like it's ominous. Hey,
that'd be a great celebration for the Celtics. You know,
historic franchise returns the glory, wins its eighteenth title, and
then you'd have the Celtics and Lakers both with eighteen apiece.
That'd be amazing, amazing. But before the NBA game tonight, yesterday,
(32:16):
the Mavericks had a day off of actual court work
in practice. So Luca sat down with the ESPN and
ABC folks, and here's Luca answering questions about the situation
that he put his team in by fouling out last
night two nights ago.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Kyrie said, after the game, you know, what did you
say to Luca?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And he said, at this point you just kind of
have to give him a hug and tell him it's okay.
But did you feel like you let your teammates down?
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Yeah, of course, I mean, like I said, you know,
it wasn't the smartest thing to do, especially in this
situation is the finals. You got to give everything little
tie out there. But yeah, you know, car has been
great for me just having.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
In one year.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So what did you say to your teammates afterwards?
Speaker 8 (33:03):
It's my bet you know can do that, especially the
NBA finals, you know, record sas it's a little bit different.
But you can't really do that in the finals.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, he can't really do that in the finals. Now,
I've heard lots of people say, oh, this is spin,
this is damage control. They stuck Luke out there to
do a sit down interview simply because they were trying
to change the narrative and make him what's the word
I'm looking for contrite for his complaining about the officials
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constantly show contrition. And I think a lot of people
maybe don't understand the reality of all this stuff. Those
interviews take place every on those practice days anyway. It's
just like tonight before the game, there'll be a press
conference that they make the coaches do even though the
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game's coming up at night. It doesn't make any sense.
That's what they do. I've heard people be critical of
ESPN because they have these really really short segments and
halftime shows. That's because it's network TV. They have network breaks.
It's not like TNT. They can't go for you know,
ten minutes and just talk. Remember, this is where these
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networks are trying to make up all the revenue, and
they're going to try and make it all up because
they may only have four games instead of seven. So
that's why they have those really dumb segments that are
sponsored that are like sixty seconds long and you can't
even breathe to try and speak and get all your
thoughts in. That's Network TV. What would I know? I
(34:40):
worked for Network TV for five years of work for CBS.
It's just different. It's just different. The sit down interviews
are pre planned. But you don't buy that. Dude, Jaysu
is a conspiracy theorist and he thinks the powers that
be made him, what explain him? Luca himself? Is that
(35:00):
what you think?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Oh, I'm not alone in that. That's what I've I've
read elsewhere too, and I do you So, just to
get your take right on this, this was pre planned,
like prior to the series. That he's going to do
is sit down with Milika Andrews between games three and four.
Is that what your position is?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
No? I didn't say he's pre planned. I said the
fact that he will sit down to do an interview
with ESPN the day of a game, that the day
before a game, Yes, that's pre planned, But this specific
interview with this specific line of questioning, No, it's not.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I mean remember when who was it Jalen Rose sat
down with what's our guy's name with the gun Jamarant Jamaran,
and that was like a very coordinated thing where they
had jail and ask him like set up questions and
he can clear his name and Milika Andrews questions reek
of that.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Well, you can have problems with the questions, but the
interview itself was pre arranged. You know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I agree with Jason one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
That's exactly what this felt like, that this was the
NBA's last opportunity. So you don't go into an off
season thinking that you're one of your biggest stars and
possibly your MVP next season is just a big whiny
cry baby, And I think that's this is their last
opportunity to do it.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So you you think that the interview itself wasn't planned
and the questions were artificial.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh no, I just said an agreed to undred percent
with Jason. I believe that the questions were the plan.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I don't care about the scheduling of it, okay, just
that the topic of and the tone of it, Yeah,
was that's what it was. That's so that's where I think,
and I think that's where Jason was, but you felt
that they it was a late scheduling.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Which I don't think really matters.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I just think that this thing was not scheduled until
after all the fallout from Game three with Windhorst going
off on him and pretty much the rest of the
broadcast medium doing it. Doug was like the one kind
of voice out or that kind of gave the refs
the deal for it. But I I just think this
was done strategically after Game three.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Okay, all right, then I'm not one hundred percent with Jason.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You're with Jason in regards to the line of questioning
being kind of cleaning it up for the end of
the season. Yes, okay, that that I'm I I'm not
all the way there, you know, because again I don't
know if the edict came down from from the NBA.
I don't know if that was from the Mavericks. I
don't know what's kind of behind it or whether it's
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even Luca whatever. We also don't know these interviews, like
how much was cut out of it, what other stuff
was there, and that this was just kind of because
he he said, and I say it again, that means
that there was previous questions which he had, you know,
a plan to answer for I just like, again, this
is and here's my experience when I was doing. When
you're doing the NCAA tournament, for example, you do the
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free when you come in and say it's a You
have the Thursday Saturday games. On Wednesday, you get an
hour with each team as they're doing their practices on
the court. It's like speed dating. Then you have the
games on Thursday. Then on Friday. It's actually the best
because you get the winning teams. Right, there's what four
winning teams and you get an hour and a half,
(38:18):
you get I think you get you get an hour, yeh.
Their practice is an hour, and then you get an
hour with each team, like thirty minutes with three players
and thirty minutes with the coach. And it's amazing. But
it's all pre planned. And I would say that the
NBA stuff, those interviews are all pre planned. Now the
(38:39):
questioning that might have been different. And I think I'm
pretty reasonable in agreeing with you guys and going like
there's some level of like, yeah, we don't really want
to have Luca be you know, Luca has a chance
to capture some pr and admit some faults and you
don't want to make it about the officials and just
make it about basketball. That part, I can, I can
(39:01):
meet you kind of halfway. I wouldn't do it in
the Jason Stewart, Hey, this was pre arranged. This wasn't
pre arranged, and they just tried to clean some stuff up.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I will say that it is It's a unique situation
because if you're booking this for Luca in your ESPN
or ABC, like in advance Dug to your point, you're
thinking it's a two to one series or a one
to two series, right, and so that's likely your expectation.
(39:32):
But the other thing is is who's all who do
they all want to talk with on the MAVs. So
you're basically it's either Kyrie or Luca or you know,
I think that would be it in terms of scheduling it.
I don't know how many they've done with Luca before,
but they could have asked them basketball questions even if
they're down three to zero, Can you guys do the impossible?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Can you do? You know? What do you need to do?
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Like?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
All of those things still would be fair game down
three on the series, but they took the opportunity to
try to clean up Luca's reputation after one of their
own eviscerated him on ESPN after the game, that everybody
was talking about.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
That was really interesting, right, And I said this yesterday, Dan,
I just I don't think when you heard it's in
entirety it didn't sound it sounded respectful of him, But man,
it was. That was definitely for for Windhorse, who is
again his role is as an insider and he does
give some opinion, but that was opinion his stuff portanline
(40:35):
analyst stuff, and that was that was definitely a step
aside from role. And I don't know, it's it's just
it's fascinating. I don't remember anybody ever being critical of
Dirk's defense. Granted he never reached the finals and lost.
I don't believe, right, did they ever finals and lose
they would lose in the first round. That was kind
of what you were getting at last hour, Jason, with
(40:57):
comparing this Mavericks team to the Dirks Mavericks team. Has
they had that one run and then there was a
lot of first round losses.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I get that, but that was as well when they
lost to the Heat.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's right with Dwayne Wade, right, Yeah, in.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Shack Yep, Windhorse sounded like every one of us has
one of those buddies. Maybe we're at the Vegas sportsbook
or something that just lost a bet. Yes, and he
that ninety. I'm not saying he bet on the game.
I don't even know if it's legal for him to
bound in the game, but like, there was some vitriol
there that wasn't just an opinion. There was there was
something personal there, and I'd love to get behind that.
(41:36):
I mean, that was one of the all time rants.
And I think you could argue, you make the point
that he's not necessarily an opinion ess or he's an insider.
I think they they use him as an opinion guy
because he's on first take and all that. Like, you
don't see wo Janowski going on first take unless he's
breaking news, but Windhorse is like a regular, so I
think at least he thinks he's an opinion guy.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
He does. That's that's the problem with that show when
they have it on a daily basis, is it blurs
the lines. And and maybe that doesn't matter anymore to
most people, but I do think that when you're an
inside and you're trying to get information. It matters because
people be like I'm going to get information, like you're
gonna go and kill my dude on TV. Kill my
(42:20):
dude on TV.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
And you make the point. I mean, they're the rights holder.
It's just it's for to have your an employee of
a network that's promoting the series go off like that. Again,
that's it just seems so out of pocket.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
It is. It felt like, do he lose money on
the game or you know, obviously he's always gotten great
information from from Lebron's camp. You know, is there some
bitterness there which which causes him to be extra over
the top, I'm not sure. Or was he just passionate
about the game and thought the Mavericks had a chance
(42:58):
and then he's like, how can he be so stupid
to play this way?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I would like to know how they get out to
these leads in the first quarter, then the first time
out comes and then.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's all downhill from there.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
This is you know a few years ago, and the
Mavericks were trying to make their way, Like I remember
the Mavericks and Clippers were having their little rivalry.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Luca would go off.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
He would have like, you know, thirty in the first half,
and we'd all be going crazy, It's Luca Mania. And
then he'd be so gassed and everybody who was out
out of energy, and the Clippers had just come back
and they'd win, and they'd end up you know, they
ended up winning the series. But this is you know what,
Dallas jumps out to an early lead, and then Boston
(43:43):
just Weather's whatever storm it is, pulls, you know, close
near the end of the first quarter, if not leads,
and then ends up taking it, you know, from there,
or a little while longer. You know, they ran away
with them in the third quarter in Game three. But
instead we're talking about Luca filing out and crying about
(44:04):
the calls.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You guys
all seem to have a negative view of Luca, right,
is it? Is it? Do we do you consider him?
Dan Byer? Would you consider him just annoying?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
No? I don't. I actually I don't. That's that's far
from it.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Okay, I'm glad I asked, So what what is Let
me let me ask a more fair question. What is
your uh, what's what's your view of Luca?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
So here's an overall thought process. And it's funny that
we're talking about this and not to make this about me,
but a couple of weeks ago on my Sunday show,
Doug Kerry Rhodes and I talked about Anthony Edwards and
when Anthony Edwards was getting gassed in the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
And the point that I made was all of ant.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Stuff over the past couple of years of joking about
his diet and like popeyes and stuff that doesn't sit.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Well when you're gassed.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
You know, at the ends of games and of games
one and two in the Western Conference Finals, you have
to kind of start to take things seriously. And at
that point, I said, Luca right now, like if this
was Luca, and I think Kerry even said this, if
if Luca was the one in this situation, we'd be like, man,
he seems to be a bit out of shape again,
(45:26):
loves to go and you know, smoke Kuka and do
all that stuff that that would be fair game. And
I think now this performance in the finals and his
attitude brings that into play, like I do. I love
Luca and I think that he will be, you know,
one of the faces of the NBA. He'll win multiple
MVPs in his career. I believe that's going to happen.
(45:46):
But I do think at some point you kind of
have to become a real, real professional, and right now
it is showing that he is not. With his antics
and other facts there's that maybe come to health and
being that professional and reaching his true max potential.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Other factors being that he doesn't play any defense.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, okay, just even being in you know.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But being in shape is the bit is a big
is a big thing. Yeah, you know, it is weird
that he's coming in really good shape and then seemingly
falling out of shape during the season, where you know,
Shaq was famous for coming in out of shape and
then playing his way into shape. Like one would think
playing that many minutes in that many games, you'd be
in pretty good shape. But he's not.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
You know, you know who I point to remember Mellow
for Mellow is mellow for so long and then all
of a sudden he like got into shape.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
You're like, whoa, Yes, Jolkicic, same thing.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Remember, all of a sudden Yolkic became like I think
that's what that's what Luca needs to do. So I
think this is part of just an even more of
a bigger picture when.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
It comes to Luca.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I think if they weren't being swept, and if this
was a you know, an even series, or they lost
in six or seven, a lot of this stuff isn't
being talked about. But they're about to be bounced. He
looked awful in Game three, both complaining and on defense,
and now it becomes the only thing we talk about
because that's it's a foregone conclusion that Boston's probably gonna
(47:15):
get championship number eighteen.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Fair fair, fair point. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio, I think this thing gets extended. I just
do
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