June 19, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew discuss greatest living baseball legends in this version of "The Midway". Doug welcomes former Pro-Bowler and current NFL Analyst TJ Houshmandzadeh onto the show to talk about Justin Fields, the Rams and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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So way tire buying should be. Do you guys hear
what they just did there? I just I just I
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went into autopilot for a second. And uh, yeah that
was not that was not did you hear it? Jay Steal?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You went an autopilot? Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. But
what was the exact thing that you went in on?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You weren't even listening.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I heard i Iraq mentioned before, tyraquh you're in southern California.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, yeah, I heard that.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah yeah, which technically you guys are in southern California,
so it's not and it's actually broadcast from southern California.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah yeah, I mean technically you're clear.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay. I appreciate it, the camera bringing terror ACL. You know,
there is one thing about w NBA hoops which I
don't know, Like there's parts of the sport of women's
basketball that it's interesting what comes to the forefront when
something becomes more popular, and that's that. I remember reading
a study and you know, people can look this thing up.
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It's not one of those things that I wrote it
on Reddit and then I'm quoting myself on Reddit. There's
a study out there that just a I don't know
if it's one and a half times or two times
more likely women are to tear their ACL than men
because of the dynamic of how their body is built
with women's hips and of course, you know the anterior
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cruciate ligament and how it runs through the middle of
the knee and the angle of it puts there's far
more pressure on your knee playing basketball, so there's a
much higher likelihood of tearing your ACL. And what happens
is when you when you when you build up any
one person or a person in a sport, and then
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they're gone off the radar for a year like that,
it does really kind of take away the luster. Cameron
brings somebody who she's super opinionated, and she's very well known,
very popular, attractive young lady, and now she's not going
to play in the three on three. And then the
question becomes like, if you're Caitlin Clark, do you play
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in the three on three? If you can't play? And granted,
obviously she's a center, she's not a guard, but do
you play in the three on three? Haley van Litz
by the way he plays in the three on three?
Willy Mays died. That's a potential topic. Of course, there's
the Brownie James and do you care where he's drafted?
That's potential topic. Well, we do every Wednesday, humpday, middle
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of the week, middle of the day, middle of the show.
Is we get to the midway. He's not getting.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It's time for the.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I don't know who suggested this, because I did see
it was a felt like a consensus there on the
text today. Who suggested the Willy Mays topic on Texas Morning.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No. I threw out a William May's topic, the topic
just being a conversation on about Willie Mays and his
impact on sports. And then Dan he enhanced it.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
He said, what if we did on Mays combo where
we talk about the best MLB legend that is still living?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, and this is Bob.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Ryan put this out on at last night and I
actually thought it was pretty interesting and I don't think
it's as much of a no brainer. I've seen two
names pop up pretty consistently and talking about this, but
I just think it goes a little bit more deeper
than that in terms of you know, how we view things.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, where are you on that? Jake?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, since Dan started the topic, I think I'm hoping
he might have a good suggestion. He said that it's
narrowed down between two. Do you want to give you
two or I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I'll tell you who the five that I thought, and
I think that the two the two are in there
that we saw. But the five players that I thought
that I that I wrote down Barry Bonds, Ken Griffyd Jr,
Albert Pooh Holes, Okay, I know it's crazy to think,
but I just and then actively, I think Otani has
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to be a part of this conversation. And Mike Trout
that's who I've put for my five, and I honestly
I also wrote each row as a possible nominee from
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Ago before you get to back in the day. I
don't know if people understand now like Intro was a
ground breaker, right brown breaker. I mean, I know there
are other Japanese players. He was a great one in Japan,
a great one here and played a unique style, had
a unique personality. I'm I think I'm with you on
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that one.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
So those were the five each row on the outside
looking in of the five that I'd mentioned. But when
I just thought of like, who would I think would
be the best, you know, the best of recent eras,
I thought that I also went to some old timers,
because you know, Willie Mays was the oldest of the
old timers when you're looking at the home run list,
and I thought that that was interesting that the names
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of Reggie Jackson and Mike were there. Obviously, Pete Rose
still alive, the all time kid. Yeah, Ripkin as well,
but those are the names that popped out.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
For me.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
When I was when I was thinking of who I
felt were the greatest of all time?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, Jay, which John you want to go with?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Outside of those, I want to give a special shout
out to George Brett. He was my guy growing up.
Loved George Brett. I modeled my swing after him. I
went to his Hall of Fame induction in nineteen ninety nine,
but uh, yeah, I don't. He went in with Robin
y out and you know, old Ryan. It was amazing summer.
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I want to say, I want to throw this out
just to get you guys' thoughts on this. What do
you guys think about Reggie Jackson? And now kind of
goes back to maybe our irrelevant conversation we had last hour,
or like what's the measurement? Is it statistics only or
is it just like biggest star, biggest impact the player
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has had on the game. And it's hard to argue
that Reggie Jackson, for a period there in the late
seventies was larger than a wife and he might.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Be the most recognizable of the old timers. I'd agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yes, Reggie Jackson is more famous than he was great correct,
and he was a great player. And part of it
is are metrics for judging what makes you a great
player now is different than what made a great player then, right,
Like batting average, home runs RBI used to be you know,
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kind of the litmus test, and now it's it's far different, right,
Those numbers still jump out at you, but there's just
a different way of looking at it. So so okay,
So what is the actual question?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What what what is the best living legend?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Who is the greatest living legend in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The legend I.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Don't know to me? And again I'm I'm not yet fifty.
Uh My dad was, my late father was like an
old soul. So again, that era has mostly you know,
died off, right, the the Ted Williams' is are gone, obviously,
Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, the Iron Horse. So I think
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of like the older generation now. Is Nolan Ryan, oh
good pick yeah, Nolan Ryan, cal Ruken Jr. I mean
Tony gwyn god Rest, his soul is greatest pater I've
ever seen him a baseball right, and just an amazing guy.
Is Brookes Robinson still a lot now, I know, Brick
Robinson probably isn't as nationally known. But like if if
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you love baseball, and especially if you are Eastern Seaboard,
like you love Brick.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Robinson, I think he's no longer with us.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Okay, so I think I do again. When I think
of legends, I would say Jackson, Nolan, Ryan, and Cay
Ripan Jr. Would be more legends whereas and I know
that they're older than me, at least older than all
of us, But I think of that kind of next
wave of still being you know, Mart McGuire, Barry Bonds, mcgarreen.
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Bond's tainted obviously by steroids.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What about Pete Rose in there?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I do think Mike Schmidt again, maybe not as flashy,
but his numbers stack up to.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Most anybody. Nobody gives a Schmidt, Yeah, nobody does.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
He's seventy four years old, by the way, which another
thing going on seventy five which made me feel really
really old, Like I don't remember the heyday of Reggie Jackson,
but for some reason, I feel like I remember the
heyday of Mike Schmidt, and I remember when the Phillies,
you know, we're in the World Series in eighty three,
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and I know that was the second part of Schmidt's career.
But I felt like that's you know, around his heyday, he.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And George Brett were very much contemporaries. There were, yeah,
two best players in the leagues and there played third
base and that was a great time too.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I have a name that we have not yet said.
That is the numbers are astounding, astounding, Ricky Henderson. Ricky
Henderson stole one hundred fifty six, one hundred and he's
saw one hundred and thirty bases in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
One hundred and fifty six, and that was a year
he was hurt. He only played one hundred eight games
for one hundred and thirty. He saw one hundred and
thirty bases in one hundred and forty nine games. Like, statistically,
you were very likely to see Ricky Henderson steal a
base in every game he played. He's sold over one
hundred bases in the three of his first four years. Ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, I think if you can make an argument, they're
worthy of consideration. I don't know like who we're gonna
settle on or who we're going to ultimately pick, if
we're going to do it individually or as a show.
But I think that that's I think that's that's fair.
I do think Randy Johnson's dominance as a picture. But again,
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like I didn't have any pictures in my finalist ballot.
But when I'm thinking of you know of of great pictures,
because you brought up Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson was was
probably the first name. I don't want to steal other
names as well, but Brandy Johnson.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I have an I have a name for a great pitt.
So what I think of Tony Gwynn is the same
as a picture as a hitter is the same thing
I think of Greg Maddox as a picture.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In that the the technical aspects of if you were
going to teach somebody, if somebody comes in from a
different country and says, how do you hit a baseball?
You say Tony Gwinn And you say how do you pitch?
You say Greg Maddox, right, And I agree with you
that Randy Johnson's dominance. And I remember when he first
got traded to It was to Houston, right for the playoffs,
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playoff rount or whatever, yeah, ninety eight, And he came
from the Mariners and I remember he's with you, was
at the Expos at first and he was super wild.
Then he goes to the Mariners. But then when he's
traded to Houston, I mean, you want to talk about explosive,
and he was. You know, there's there's a dynamic there
is a left handed pitcher where if you're left handed
and you throw in the high eighties, it appears to
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right handed batters as if it's in the mid nineties.
Imagine a guy who's that big, so he can reach
almost towards home plate, plus he's throwing high nineties to
triple digits and he's left handed. I mean, it's was
it John Cruck that went up there with like a
what did he go up to? It was in the
All Star Game, right, didn't he take like a table
leg up there and said.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
He said, just hitting him like Johnson threw went over
his head because there was kind of it was building
up to that point where where like Kruck was talking
about facing him, so Johnson just like threw on over
his head.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So then Kruck put his batting hamlet on backwards. We
still never.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Care about baseball the way we used to care about baseball.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I'll give another name that I think is comparable to
the Barry Bonds discussion, because I do think that Barry
Bonds people would feel as a no brainer, but there's
obviously reasons why we're not automatically giving him that title.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That would be Roger Clemens.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, and just in terms of you know of I mean,
the longevity really helped Clemens because the argument with Randy
Johnson was five cy Youngs, that's pretty good. Maddix won four,
Johnson won five, but Clemens ended up winning seven Cy
Young Awards. Three of those are four of those though
came in I would say post nineteen ninety five, and
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we all know what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I think a Rod and Bonds are obvious the obvious example. Yeah,
but I think one of the leading examples of the
steroid era players and their punishment. You know, we always like,
what's the punishment for that? And they kept them in
the record books and everything. But I think the public
spoke about Roger Clemens because his numbers are off the
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charts like he was he was maybe the greatest pitcher
ever given everything involved, and he's not. It's not even
like when he comes up for the Hall of Fame
where it's not even like a point of discussion. I mean,
Dan said last Last Hour, the opposite of love is apathy.
That's like you don't even hear about Roger Clemons. That's
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how that's how bad it was back then. He was
that guilty of steroids. So he's not even in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I will tell you who the best picture of baseball
I've ever seen is. And you know, again it's up
for discussion, but I consider it I'm the greatest picture
I've ever seen, not just because of the numbers and
the dominance, but because he was pitching in the steroid era.
And that's Pedro Martinez. Yeah, yep, like Pedro Martinez in
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ninety nine, twenty three and four with a two point
oh seventy RA leads the league in strikeouts, are three
hundred and thirteen. Like, look at every metric and you're like, wow,
second in the MVP, won the cy Young His stuff
was a joke, like how do you even hit that?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And he was like five foot three.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, he's like my dad, Oh no he's not.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
He's yeah, I think he's closer to five to three
that he has five to eleven. Really, yeah, like, h
can we get an official measurement on him. I just
I remember I saw him. It was actually when Miller
Park opened up. I have an answer. Okay, two secon
let me quick tell the story Miller Park played. You know,
I have two exhibition games that you'll play at home
to make sure all the kinks are off before opening day.
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And the Brewers played the Red Sox. And I went
to one of the games, and I remember the lineup
of the Red Sox on the baseline, and Pedro was
just so much.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Smaller than everyone.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
I was like, whoa, Now, maybe he was standing next
to Jason Veritek at the time or David Ortiz and I,
you know, it just looked like it was such a
huge contrast. But I'm curious on the official the official height, Sam, we're.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Seeing a couple of different heights with the one that
looks to be the most trustworthy is five foot eleven.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Oh, Doug right on the number, and geez.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
By trust for worthy. It's like it doesn't pass the
eye test. Major League Baseball dot com five five to nine.
I see MLB dot.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Com five five. It's closer to it, I tink.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I see MLB dot Com as five eleven Baseball Reference
five eleven, Wikipedia five eleven, I don't know's round, just
go in the middle there.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't know five ten.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
If you had to pick Trout or Otani for this conversation,
who would you pick?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Trout? Jahni's singular dominance as a pitcher and a hitter
is unmatched. Mike Trout's arguably the greatest position player to
ever play the sport.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So what's the answer.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, I just I just don't think because he has
never had a postseason of dominance, like he played three
postseason games in his career, I just don't think he
resonates the same. But if you ask a baseball person
and you said, hey, where does Mike Trout rank rank
historically as position players? The ones I've spoken to be like,
he's probably the best. I mean literally a five to
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a player. So and you know, you know we haven't
mentioned number two Derek.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, g Duck, but g Duf. I get it. But
he just he wouldn't he wouldn't be the numero uno.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No. But but I mean, he was the captain of
the Yankees during their era of dominance. He's good looking,
he's bright, he's he's like everything, and he was considered clutch.
I agree, like I think he's probably the most overrat
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he did player of all. But you know, there's so
much there there. You know, having the same batting average
in the post is you do the regular season, and
then you know the play going in the stands, and
you know the three thousandth hit which is a home
run and what five for five in his last game
at Yankee Stadium. I mean, there's just so much there
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with Jeter. You know, I get it. He's not the
player of any of these other guys we had listed,
but he's pretty amazing. That's midway Midway. That's the Midway God.
I mean, that's really what I talk What I'm talking about, guys,
is that we could honestly, you know, how much do
you watch baseball?
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I know, Jase do you watch a ton of it,
But people just don't watch it the same. And it's
amazing because baseball has so much good and so much
worthy of discussion. I just don't know if we'll ever
get back to that.
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Trevor Lawrence's new deal? What do you think.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
The way the market is, it's almost as if you
better do it now and you do it later, you
know it's gonna be greater. And so the way the
quarterback are getting paid, it doesn't matter if you're better
than the next guy. I'm next, and so I'll leapfrog everybody.
But Trevor Lawrence has had a pretty good start to
his career. Now he's gonna have to step it up
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and lead Jackson little further than they ever been ledo
generational talent, coming in the best quarterback prospect in years.
That that what was said about him, and so he's
gonna have to play up and live up to that
high ban that contract.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Let's go to division. You know well that AFC North.
This is from NBC Sports Chicago, one of their reporters
that Justin Fields apparently been struggling that Russell Wilson did
nothing through twelve practices or even slightly indicate he could
lose the quarterback competition to Justin Fields. That's because Justin
Fields looks like he really can't can't play. You know,
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what do you think about Justin Fields and the likely
that he resurrects his career?
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Wait? Wait, who released us reporter reporter out of Chicago. Yes,
so he's still bitter. Huh what did Justin Fields do
to him? I mean I would have preferred that if
it's going to come, come out, come out from a
reporter that's in Pittsburgh, that's at every practice or is
it here, say did another reporter tell him this? You
never know, man, there are certain players that the Marvel
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Lewis was saying, there are all pro practice players, and
so maybe he's just not a great practice player. Maybe
the information is wrong. Whatever it is going to be,
we all know that if Justin Field gets an opportunity
and he doesn't take advantage of it, he will be
out of the league or he'll be a career backup.
And so we know what the stakes are for him,
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and it's going to be up to him to kind
of dictate and control how that goes. Now, if Russell
Wilson's playing well. This is all the move points. If
Russell Wilson does not play well and Justin Field gets
that opportunity, it's on him to take to take advantage
of him, do the most with it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, sorry, I just want to correct myself. It was
a report. It was on NBC Sports Chicago, but it
was Mark Kobaloi cabally excuse me, who's actually a Steelers
beat writer? Beat?
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Oh yeah, good, the beat writers. I mean, you're not
playing well and not playing well, you're not practicing well,
and that's okay. You just can't continue to do that
come training camp. And so hopefully as we speak, he's
working on the steam he's working on is a problem
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that he needs to fix. But whatever it may be,
and that's what June and July is for before you
had to camp with fine tune my game, and hopefully
that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
You know, it's interesting, and you know, I haven't talked
to you so that since I got the coaching job here.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
At green Back sp By the way, man, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Thank you. What you find is when guys transfer, okay,
and especially from a higher level, and the expectations for
so many are when they come down a level, is
that there or you know, even the NFL, you switch
teams and that they'll somehow kind of resurrect themselves, fix
themselves somebody. But when a guy has a bad run
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and people around him don't have confidence in him, it
is really hard to rebuild that confidence. It is really hard.
We had a great kind of discussion. We're talking about
guys that went to programs and they're really tremendous players,
but it just didn't fit. And what happened is you
lose self confidence. It's hard to get it back, like
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it just is. And it's sound that you don't have
the talent there. It's just a mentality switch that you
just it's very difficult to make.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Oh yeah, man, anytime you get banged, to lose your spot,
you get traded. Somebody doesn't believe in you. And so
the best players you use that as motivation. Man. That's
the thing is, let me use this as motivation so
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that I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I got
to prove myself right. And oh he's really you know
this from being an athlete, man, there is no substitute
for hard work, shimple, How are you going to do this,
You're gonna work your ass off. That's how the best
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players are the best players because they work harder than everybody.
There are some dudes like Lebron they're just physically, they're
just born. They're born with great talent, God bless them.
But you still have to work at it and so
you can be what you want to be. You've got
to go put the work in, man, and sometimes that
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work isn't easy. You got to look yourself in the
mirror and say, this is what I suck at and
I'm going to attack it to be better. And if
you're not willing to do it, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Raded. That's the
voice of TJ Whosh min Zada Whosh. I'm I'm fascinated
in a couple of of of the wide receiver combinations.
Like you look at the Rams and you know you
add last year you have an unbelievable rookie season. But again,
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now you have two weapons. How does that all work
together when they're all healthy.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be at interesting dynamic
for McVeigh to navigate because Cooper Cup when he went down.
That's when Pooker started to make a name for himself, right,
And you feed both of them and get them enough
charges to where both are happy, they're content, they're satisfied.
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And as the offense being successful, are you moving the
ball you score on points. That's gonna be the key now.
And we saw it towards the end of the season
where it'd be one game Pooker would have a good one,
oh and then Cooper would have a good one. And
so will it be one of those things or can
they both get off in the same game. That's gonna
be an interesting dynamic. McVeigh has shown he can do it.
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It's just a matter of can you do it and
win at the level you want to win at.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's a great question. Same build, our same stadium, But
kind of interesting. What the Chargers are doing right feels
pretty obvious they're doing, you know, the Ravens offense. They're
going to run the football, and it does feel on
some level like maybe not the name talentent wide receiver,
but what kind of year does that mean for Justin Herbert.
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Sure they'll be able to run it, they'll have better protection,
but does he have the weapons so that he can
throw the football.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
That's that's the question that we all like to answer.
I spent some time with the charges. I was able
to spend some time Harbor inviting me down, went to
a few practices. Queen Johnson can play. He can he
can play. It's a matter of mentally does he believe that.
Can he put last year behind him? Will Lad McConkie
(26:40):
come in and make a difference, Josh Palmer. But the
biggest thing that Harball is just that dude man like
sitting in the meetings and listening to him and being
on the field with hem. She is just He's a
great coach man, and so I have no doubt in
my mind he's gonna find a way to make it work.
I mean, he's been successful everywhere he's been, And after
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being around him, I see why. Why the way he
talks to guys, the way he treats them, the way
he encourages them. I wasn't expecting that. Just certain things
you just see being around them, and the belief just
this offseason and the way he was talking to Herbert
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and Derwin James and putting so much confidence in him
and their abilities. And that's gonna rub up on the teammates.
And so it's no secret he's had his success, but
I was able to see why. And so he's gonna
find a way to make the Chargers and that organization
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cantle folks to another level.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Tjo Just Benzie is our guest here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, help me out
with with Jordan Love. I mean, there was there were
three or four weeks where you're like three or four
You're like, three or four weeks You're like, Wow, this
dude is a dude, and then a lot kind of
in the middle. Did have a big lead against the Niners,
(28:12):
but couldn't put him away the next time around a
lot more difficult. What are your expectations are for Jordan Love?
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I say, Jordan Love to kind of pick up where
he left off. I really do. You looked at that
receiving core and you say they can go three four
deep in each game. One of those three or four
guys with this Romeo dives is Christian Washington if he
can stay healthy. I'm having a brain fart. The kid
from Michigan State. They have so many weapons that each
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game you can see a guy get a hundred yards
and so I just see.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Justin love Jayden Reid.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
You're talking about Jane Reid Michigan State. Yes, I just
see him picking up where they left off. Man and
the Packers better. Well, we talked about earlier with Trevor Lawrence.
You get better sign him now because you let this
season start. You're gonna be paying anymore later, and so
get it done now or just pay him a little
more later.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Okay, They're going to face the Eagles, and like I
don't want to do like a preview of the game.
It's in Brazil, but it only allows me to jump
off and talk about the Eagles. Hurts didn't have nearly
as good a year, right, different play color on both sides,
obviously some different personnel, but mostly on the defensive side
of the ball. Same question. Two years ago, probably the
best and most efficient quarterback in football. Last year didn't,
(29:35):
didn't didn't feel like he was a top ten guy.
What's this year?
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I would we all would expect him to rebound. You
don't lead a team to the super Bowl, you don't
have the type of season that he had and just
can't play. Last year wasn't the type of year that
he wanted. We all know that if he was nicked up,
if he had any type injury that we didn't know
about that they kept the secret. Who knows. But I
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expect the Eagles to be better. They'll be better defensively
because the Fangio is a really, really good coach. So
just that aspect of it defensively is going to make
the team better on offense because they're not going to
feel like they have to score on every possession, and
so I think mentally that that's gonna help him. But
I expect Jalen Nurse to rebound and have a really
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good season.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Who's You're the best. You got to get up to
the Green Bay to come see a game and of
course come over see my team hang out. I can't
wait to see you. Man, you got to you gotta
come and uh and chop it up with us for you.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I got again once again. Man, congrats, man, you go.
It'll be great for them young men, teach them how
to play with teaching how to be men at the
same time. Man, wish you the best, bro.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I love it. Thanks so much. TJ. Tjush Maizada one
of the one of the all time good dudes that
I've ever worked with, and that that relationship started when
he was a player, right obviously Sorito's College and then
he went to Santa Monica College and then to Oregon
State and then onto the NFL. Former Pro bowlide receiver.
Check them out. It up on Game with LaVar Arrington
Plexicoll Burst airs each Saturday on Fox Sports Radio. You
(31:09):
can find it wherever you foundload the podcast, like the
Doug Goatleap Show podcast, which is available right after the show.
We get the special in the Bonus uh, in the
Bonus Hour podcast. Again, wherever you download podcasts, you get
up on Game those are former pros, or you get
the Doug Goatleip Show podcast. Coming up next on the
Doug Gotleep Show Live from the Tyreight dot com studios.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 1 (31:38):
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Speaker 7 (31:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
He was part of Summer Smash this weekend. There, Sammy,
it's pretty good. Huh.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Isn't your sonlike Playboy CARDI?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, Yeah, this is Travis Scott and Playboy play yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Sorry Travis Scott featuring Playwoy Cardio.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but as uh, it was a big
time concert man.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
We were actually we were going to ask you a
little more about that, but perhaps for the podcast on.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Another you can ask me.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Go ahead, what do you want to know?
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well, Jason, I don't know. We were like, do you
ever feel like you were unsafe at that festival or
concert at all?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
No, there's a lot of young, you know, charged up men,
or a.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Lot of thugs there that they're trying to ask. There
were a lot of I'm saying, there's a lot of
weed there, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Did you see the White Sox fan get beat up? Yeah,
that's part of what I was talking. What I was
alluding to, got knocked out and he kept getting out
like they.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Have a mosh bit going on there. I want to
know part of that. Yeah, I mean there was there
was when we were walking out, there was some There's
some guys that were you know, they were jumping around,
hopping up on you know, bumping into people on purpose
a little bit. But fine, overall it was great, and
I mean I just it's not a yeah, it's a
humble brag.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I was.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I was separated from the I wasn't backstage area, the
diamond area. We were like vip or whatever. So you're
kind of up on a little bit of a platform.
You're not that close to it, but you could see it.
And you know, both me and my son were like,
we're good, we're here, you know, so we weren't messing
with the kamonas. But no, it was fine. I mean
just I'm sure it like look obviously at a country festival,
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if you got to stage coach there's there's no mosh
bit burning man. Dudes are way too drugged up and
asked it up to go and do anything. I can't
tell you what Coachella is like at that one. Yeah,
there's some when you anytime you have a mosh bit,
there's gonna be guys that take it too far. So
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I stayed clear of that. But in a general and
it's on like South side of Chicago, it's but it
was fine. It was fine.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I was.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I did feel like the oldest person there. So let's
get to the press.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
The press.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I mean, imagine being a white Sox fan. Your team
already stinks and you're get in your asking the concert.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Right, he got knocked out at least he got back up. Yeah,
but he had no idea where he was. Yeah, he
had zero idea on what planet he was on. By
the way, why hasn't a record Exactly like if if
you're smart, I would develop Penthouse Cardi, who says a
little more than what Playboy Carti would say and be
a little bit more risky in his lyrics. Don't you
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think that would be something that maybe you know, a
record company would like to try to develop.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think anyone Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
There's a Walmart Carty, and there's a There's it would
be a Hustler Cardi, and then.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Hustler Cardi would not be on any radio station ever.
That would that would.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
After Curse, right after Curse Curse.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
You do not want to deal with that.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I just thought, maybe, you know, just to step up
from Playboy Carti would be Penthouse Cardi.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But who knows?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Uh? Have you see Playboy Cardi? Everything's air Rush? Is
that what it is? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
That's oh Man step down, which is Maxim car Maxim
Cardi is just uh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
The maxic Cardi alludes to everything that that Penthouse Cardi shows.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Uh, did you see the clips of Jason Tatum copying
everybody in all of his NBA Finals celebrations. Yes, oh
my goodness, hilarious. One or two I could get, but
they were. Somebody did a top five of Kanye, Angel, Reese, Kobe,
He's Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Uh, just just.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's what we've created. We've because he's he's a meme
of all these memes.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yes, where where Well I compare it to is when
Gino Smith did the They wrote.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Me off but I didn't write back. Yes, makes zero sense,
by the.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Way, but everybody loved it because I loved it. It
was original and people are saying the same thing.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
And it's just like Kevin Garnett where editing where that
was actually butchering Lunt. He was an Adidas guy, and
there's their slogan was thing is impossible. That's what he
was supposed to say.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All right, let's do that again. Cut the take two.
All right.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Tom Brady on the Herd today, weighing in on life
as a broadcaster and improving as a broadcaster.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
When you watch the tapes, do you notice the difference
with you?
Speaker 8 (36:18):
Yeah, I would say yes, And I also think there's
still so much more room for improvement, and I just
it's almost like when I was a player, I never
felt like I did things the right way. There were
games where I'd go in afterward and think, God, I'm
the worst quarterback in the NFL, Like, why would they
even want me to play quarterback for this team? And
I'm sure I'm going to feel that way here at
Fox where I finish a game and I go, God,
(36:38):
I didn't even give them what they wanted. And it's
a very challenging thing in your own mind. I've asked
a few people, how do you know that you did
a good job? And I think for me, so much
of this is going to come down to the preparation
and did I feel like I was prepared that I
feel like our crew was prepared, that I give them
the best over the course of the week so that
we could give ourselves the best opportunity to be successful
(36:59):
for the fans.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Because that's Tom Brady, I cut them on.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, that's not actually how it works. You have to
have somebody you really trust to watch tape, to listen
to tape, to give you clips. It's not in the
preparation because what happens when you overprepare is you try
and get it, You try and sneak everything in and
you just can't. You got to leave about half of
it on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Pascal Siakam's going to stick around with the Pacers four
year max extension after he was acquired by the team
of the Trade Deadline. Going to make about one hundred
and ninety million dollars as part of that deal to
stay in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, I remember there's different levels of max money. It's
a max that they can pay him. It's not the
max that you can make in the NBA. But an
incredible story, right like and you know he was literally unknown,
goes to and it goes to New Mexico State and
just has exploded on the scene. Such a versatile, versatile weapon.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
A couple of other notes.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Kansas lawmakers are proving a measure that could authorize state
bonds to help finance new stadiums for.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
The Chiefs and Royals. So the possibility.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Remains that they could leave Missouri and go to Kansas.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
This is a Missouri and Kansas. That's a fight that
goes back to the Civil War, right and when Missourians
a slave state, burned down. Lawrence under cover of darkness
a free state, So I don't think it'll get to
that point.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
And the PGA Tour Policy Board did approve the Tiger
Woods exemption for the signature events that we talked about
last week. So Tiger, yeah, I won't have to qualify
for those events. He could just play when he wants.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's Tiger card. Just show up. I'm Tiger Woods, get
out there and pressed.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
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So way tire buying should be. Do you guys hear
what they just did there? I just I just I
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went into autopilot for a second. And uh, yeah that
was not that was not did you hear it? Jay Steal?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
You went an autopilot? Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. But
what was the exact thing that you went in on?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You weren't even listening.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I heard i Iraq mentioned before, tyraquh you're in southern California.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yes, yeah, I heard that.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah yeah, which technically you guys are in southern California,
so it's not and it's actually broadcast from southern California.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah yeah, I mean technically you're clear.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay. I appreciate it, the camera bringing terror ACL. You know,
there is one thing about w NBA hoops which I
don't know, Like there's parts of the sport of women's
basketball that it's interesting what comes to the forefront when
something becomes more popular, and that's that. I remember reading
a study and you know, people can look this thing up.
(01:44):
It's not one of those things that I wrote it
on Reddit and then I'm quoting myself on Reddit. There's
a study out there that just a I don't know
if it's one and a half times or two times
more likely women are to tear their ACL than men
because of the dynamic of how their body is built
with women's hips and of course, you know the anterior
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cruciate ligament and how it runs through the middle of
the knee and the angle of it puts there's far
more pressure on your knee playing basketball, so there's a
much higher likelihood of tearing your ACL. And what happens
is when you when you when you build up any
one person or a person in a sport, and then
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they're gone off the radar for a year like that,
it does really kind of take away the luster. Cameron
brings somebody who she's super opinionated, and she's very well known,
very popular, attractive young lady, and now she's not going
to play in the three on three. And then the
question becomes like, if you're Caitlin Clark, do you play
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in the three on three? If you can't play? And granted,
obviously she's a center, she's not a guard, but do
you play in the three on three? Haley van Litz
by the way he plays in the three on three?
Willy Mays died. That's a potential topic. Of course, there's
the Brownie James and do you care where he's drafted?
That's potential topic. Well, we do every Wednesday, humpday, middle
(03:12):
of the week, middle of the day, middle of the show.
Is we get to the midway. He's not getting.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
It's time for the.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I don't know who suggested this, because I did see
it was a felt like a consensus there on the
text today. Who suggested the Willy Mays topic on Texas Morning.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
No. I threw out a William May's topic, the topic
just being a conversation on about Willie Mays and his
impact on sports. And then Dan he enhanced it.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
He said, what if we did on Mays combo where
we talk about the best MLB legend that is still living?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, and this is Bob.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Ryan put this out on at last night and I
actually thought it was pretty interesting and I don't think
it's as much of a no brainer. I've seen two
names pop up pretty consistently and talking about this, but
I just think it goes a little bit more deeper
than that in terms of you know, how we view things.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, where are you on that? Jake?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Well, since Dan started the topic, I think I'm hoping
he might have a good suggestion. He said that it's
narrowed down between two. Do you want to give you
two or I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I'll tell you who the five that I thought, and
I think that the two the two are in there
that we saw. But the five players that I thought
that I that I wrote down Barry Bonds, Ken Griffyd Jr,
Albert Pooh Holes, Okay, I know it's crazy to think,
but I just and then actively, I think Otani has
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to be a part of this conversation. And Mike Trout
that's who I've put for my five, and I honestly
I also wrote each row as a possible nominee from
back in the day.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Ago before you get to back in the day. I
don't know if people understand now like Intro was a
ground breaker, right brown breaker. I mean, I know there
are other Japanese players. He was a great one in Japan,
a great one here and played a unique style, had
a unique personality. I'm I think I'm with you on
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that one.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
So those were the five each row on the outside
looking in of the five that I'd mentioned. But when
I just thought of like, who would I think would
be the best, you know, the best of recent eras,
I thought that I also went to some old timers,
because you know, Willie Mays was the oldest of the
old timers when you're looking at the home run list,
and I thought that that was interesting that the names
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of Reggie Jackson and Mike were there. Obviously, Pete Rose
still alive, the all time kid. Yeah, Ripkin as well,
but those are the names that popped out.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
For me.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
When I was when I was thinking of who I
felt were the greatest of all time?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, Jay, which John you want to go with?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Outside of those, I want to give a special shout
out to George Brett. He was my guy growing up.
Loved George Brett. I modeled my swing after him. I
went to his Hall of Fame induction in nineteen ninety nine,
but uh, yeah, I don't. He went in with Robin
y out and you know, old Ryan. It was amazing summer.
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I want to say, I want to throw this out
just to get you guys' thoughts on this. What do
you guys think about Reggie Jackson? And now kind of
goes back to maybe our irrelevant conversation we had last hour,
or like what's the measurement? Is it statistics only or
is it just like biggest star, biggest impact the player
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has had on the game. And it's hard to argue
that Reggie Jackson, for a period there in the late
seventies was larger than a wife and he might.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Be the most recognizable of the old timers. I'd agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yes, Reggie Jackson is more famous than he was great correct,
and he was a great player. And part of it
is are metrics for judging what makes you a great
player now is different than what made a great player then, right,
Like batting average, home runs RBI used to be you know,
(07:38):
kind of the litmus test, and now it's it's far different, right,
Those numbers still jump out at you, but there's just
a different way of looking at it. So so okay,
So what is the actual question?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What what what is the best living legend?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Who is the greatest living legend in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The legend I.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Don't know to me? And again I'm I'm not yet fifty.
Uh My dad was, my late father was like an
old soul. So again, that era has mostly you know,
died off, right, the the Ted Williams' is are gone, obviously,
Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, the Iron Horse. So I think
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of like the older generation now. Is Nolan Ryan, oh
good pick yeah, Nolan Ryan, cal Ruken Jr. I mean
Tony gwyn god Rest, his soul is greatest pater I've
ever seen him a baseball right, and just an amazing guy.
Is Brookes Robinson still a lot now, I know, Brick
Robinson probably isn't as nationally known. But like if if
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you love baseball, and especially if you are Eastern Seaboard,
like you love Brick.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Robinson, I think he's no longer with us.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Okay, so I think I do again. When I think
of legends, I would say Jackson, Nolan, Ryan, and Cay
Ripan Jr. Would be more legends whereas and I know
that they're older than me, at least older than all
of us, But I think of that kind of next
wave of still being you know, Mart McGuire, Barry Bonds, mcgarreen.
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Bond's tainted obviously by steroids.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What about Pete Rose in there?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I do think Mike Schmidt again, maybe not as flashy,
but his numbers stack up to.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Most anybody. Nobody gives a Schmidt, Yeah, nobody does.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
He's seventy four years old, by the way, which another
thing going on seventy five which made me feel really
really old, Like I don't remember the heyday of Reggie Jackson,
but for some reason, I feel like I remember the
heyday of Mike Schmidt, and I remember when the Phillies,
you know, we're in the World Series in eighty three,
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and I know that was the second part of Schmidt's career.
But I felt like that's you know, around his heyday, he.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And George Brett were very much contemporaries. There were, yeah,
two best players in the leagues and there played third
base and that was a great time too.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I have a name that we have not yet said.
That is the numbers are astounding, astounding, Ricky Henderson. Ricky
Henderson stole one hundred fifty six, one hundred and he's
saw one hundred and thirty bases in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
One hundred and fifty six, and that was a year
he was hurt. He only played one hundred eight games
for one hundred and thirty. He saw one hundred and
thirty bases in one hundred and forty nine games. Like, statistically,
you were very likely to see Ricky Henderson steal a
base in every game he played. He's sold over one
hundred bases in the three of his first four years. Ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, I think if you can make an argument, they're
worthy of consideration. I don't know like who we're gonna
settle on or who we're going to ultimately pick, if
we're going to do it individually or as a show.
But I think that that's I think that's that's fair.
I do think Randy Johnson's dominance as a picture. But again,
(11:22):
like I didn't have any pictures in my finalist ballot.
But when I'm thinking of you know of of great pictures,
because you brought up Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson was was
probably the first name. I don't want to steal other
names as well, but Brandy Johnson.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I have an I have a name for a great pitt.
So what I think of Tony Gwynn is the same
as a picture as a hitter is the same thing
I think of Greg Maddox as a picture.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In that the the technical aspects of if you were
going to teach somebody, if somebody comes in from a
different country and says, how do you hit a baseball?
You say Tony Gwinn And you say how do you pitch?
You say Greg Maddox, right, And I agree with you
that Randy Johnson's dominance. And I remember when he first
got traded to It was to Houston, right for the playoffs,
(12:10):
playoff rount or whatever, yeah, ninety eight, And he came
from the Mariners and I remember he's with you, was
at the Expos at first and he was super wild.
Then he goes to the Mariners. But then when he's
traded to Houston, I mean, you want to talk about explosive,
and he was. You know, there's there's a dynamic there
is a left handed pitcher where if you're left handed
and you throw in the high eighties, it appears to
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right handed batters as if it's in the mid nineties.
Imagine a guy who's that big, so he can reach
almost towards home plate, plus he's throwing high nineties to
triple digits and he's left handed. I mean, it's was
it John Cruck that went up there with like a
what did he go up to? It was in the
All Star Game, right, didn't he take like a table
leg up there and said.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
He said, just hitting him like Johnson threw went over
his head because there was kind of it was building
up to that point where where like Kruck was talking
about facing him, so Johnson just like threw on over
his head.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So then Kruck put his batting hamlet on backwards. We
still never.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Care about baseball the way we used to care about baseball.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I'll give another name that I think is comparable to
the Barry Bonds discussion, because I do think that Barry
Bonds people would feel as a no brainer, but there's
obviously reasons why we're not automatically giving him that title.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That would be Roger Clemens.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, and just in terms of you know of I mean,
the longevity really helped Clemens because the argument with Randy
Johnson was five cy Youngs, that's pretty good. Maddix won four,
Johnson won five, but Clemens ended up winning seven Cy
Young Awards. Three of those are four of those though
came in I would say post nineteen ninety five, and
(13:49):
we all know what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I think a Rod and Bonds are obvious the obvious example. Yeah,
but I think one of the leading examples of the
steroid era players and their punishment. You know, we always like,
what's the punishment for that? And they kept them in
the record books and everything. But I think the public
spoke about Roger Clemens because his numbers are off the
(14:11):
charts like he was he was maybe the greatest pitcher
ever given everything involved, and he's not. It's not even
like when he comes up for the Hall of Fame
where it's not even like a point of discussion. I mean,
Dan said last Last Hour, the opposite of love is apathy.
That's like you don't even hear about Roger Clemons. That's
(14:32):
how that's how bad it was back then. He was
that guilty of steroids. So he's not even in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I will tell you who the best picture of baseball
I've ever seen is. And you know, again it's up
for discussion, but I consider it I'm the greatest picture
I've ever seen, not just because of the numbers and
the dominance, but because he was pitching in the steroid era.
And that's Pedro Martinez. Yeah, yep, like Pedro Martinez in
(15:03):
ninety nine, twenty three and four with a two point
oh seventy RA leads the league in strikeouts, are three
hundred and thirteen. Like, look at every metric and you're like, wow,
second in the MVP, won the cy Young His stuff
was a joke, like how do you even hit that?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And he was like five foot three.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, he's like my dad, Oh no he's not.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
He's yeah, I think he's closer to five to three
that he has five to eleven. Really, yeah, like, h
can we get an official measurement on him. I just
I remember I saw him. It was actually when Miller
Park opened up. I have an answer. Okay, two secon
let me quick tell the story Miller Park played. You know,
I have two exhibition games that you'll play at home
to make sure all the kinks are off before opening day.
(15:49):
And the Brewers played the Red Sox. And I went
to one of the games, and I remember the lineup
of the Red Sox on the baseline, and Pedro was
just so much.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Smaller than everyone.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
I was like, whoa, Now, maybe he was standing next
to Jason Veritek at the time or David Ortiz and I,
you know, it just looked like it was such a
huge contrast. But I'm curious on the official the official height, Sam, we're.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
Seeing a couple of different heights with the one that
looks to be the most trustworthy is five foot eleven.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Oh, Doug right on the number, and geez.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
By trust for worthy. It's like it doesn't pass the
eye test. Major League Baseball dot com five five to nine.
I see MLB dot.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Com five five. It's closer to it, I tink.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
I see MLB dot Com as five eleven Baseball Reference
five eleven, Wikipedia five eleven, I don't know's round, just
go in the middle there.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't know five ten.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
If you had to pick Trout or Otani for this conversation,
who would you pick?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Trout? Jahni's singular dominance as a pitcher and a hitter
is unmatched. Mike Trout's arguably the greatest position player to
ever play the sport.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So what's the answer.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, I just I just don't think because he has
never had a postseason of dominance, like he played three
postseason games in his career, I just don't think he
resonates the same. But if you ask a baseball person
and you said, hey, where does Mike Trout rank rank
historically as position players? The ones I've spoken to be like,
he's probably the best. I mean literally a five to
(17:21):
a player. So and you know, you know we haven't
mentioned number two Derek.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, g Duck, but g Duf. I get it. But
he just he wouldn't he wouldn't be the numero uno.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No. But but I mean, he was the captain of
the Yankees during their era of dominance. He's good looking,
he's bright, he's he's like everything, and he was considered clutch.
I agree, like I think he's probably the most overrat
(18:00):
he did player of all. But you know, there's so
much there there. You know, having the same batting average
in the post is you do the regular season, and
then you know the play going in the stands, and
you know the three thousandth hit which is a home
run and what five for five in his last game
at Yankee Stadium. I mean, there's just so much there
(18:21):
with Jeter. You know, I get it. He's not the
player of any of these other guys we had listed,
but he's pretty amazing. That's midway Midway. That's the Midway God.
I mean, that's really what I talk What I'm talking about, guys,
is that we could honestly, you know, how much do
you watch baseball?
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Now?
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I know, Jase do you watch a ton of it,
But people just don't watch it the same. And it's
amazing because baseball has so much good and so much
worthy of discussion. I just don't know if we'll ever
get back to that.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
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Speaker 1 (19:14):
Hushman Zada joins us here on the Doug Gottlib Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Who's good to catch up with you.
Trevor Lawrence's new deal? What do you think.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
The way the market is, it's almost as if you
better do it now and you do it later, you
know it's gonna be greater. And so the way the
quarterback are getting paid, it doesn't matter if you're better
than the next guy. I'm next, and so I'll leapfrog everybody.
But Trevor Lawrence has had a pretty good start to
his career. Now he's gonna have to step it up
(19:46):
and lead Jackson little further than they ever been ledo
generational talent, coming in the best quarterback prospect in years.
That that what was said about him, and so he's
gonna have to play up and live up to that
high ban that contract.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Let's go to division. You know well that AFC North.
This is from NBC Sports Chicago, one of their reporters
that Justin Fields apparently been struggling that Russell Wilson did
nothing through twelve practices or even slightly indicate he could
lose the quarterback competition to Justin Fields. That's because Justin
Fields looks like he really can't can't play. You know,
(20:24):
what do you think about Justin Fields and the likely
that he resurrects his career?
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Wait? Wait, who released us reporter reporter out of Chicago. Yes,
so he's still bitter. Huh what did Justin Fields do
to him? I mean I would have preferred that if
it's going to come, come out, come out from a
reporter that's in Pittsburgh, that's at every practice or is
it here, say did another reporter tell him this? You
never know, man, there are certain players that the Marvel
(20:53):
Lewis was saying, there are all pro practice players, and
so maybe he's just not a great practice player. Maybe
the information is wrong. Whatever it is going to be,
we all know that if Justin Field gets an opportunity
and he doesn't take advantage of it, he will be
out of the league or he'll be a career backup.
And so we know what the stakes are for him,
(21:13):
and it's going to be up to him to kind
of dictate and control how that goes. Now, if Russell
Wilson's playing well. This is all the move points. If
Russell Wilson does not play well and Justin Field gets
that opportunity, it's on him to take to take advantage
of him, do the most with it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, sorry, I just want to correct myself. It was
a report. It was on NBC Sports Chicago, but it
was Mark Kobaloi cabally excuse me, who's actually a Steelers
beat writer? Beat?
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Oh yeah, good, the beat writers. I mean, you're not
playing well and not playing well, you're not practicing well,
and that's okay. You just can't continue to do that
come training camp. And so hopefully as we speak, he's
working on the steam he's working on is a problem
(22:04):
that he needs to fix. But whatever it may be,
and that's what June and July is for before you
had to camp with fine tune my game, and hopefully
that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
You know, it's interesting, and you know, I haven't talked
to you so that since I got the coaching job here.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
At green Back sp By the way, man, congratulations.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Thank you. What you find is when guys transfer, okay,
and especially from a higher level, and the expectations for
so many are when they come down a level, is
that there or you know, even the NFL, you switch
teams and that they'll somehow kind of resurrect themselves, fix
themselves somebody. But when a guy has a bad run
(22:43):
and people around him don't have confidence in him, it
is really hard to rebuild that confidence. It is really hard.
We had a great kind of discussion. We're talking about
guys that went to programs and they're really tremendous players,
but it just didn't fit. And what happened is you
lose self confidence. It's hard to get it back, like
(23:04):
it just is. And it's sound that you don't have
the talent there. It's just a mentality switch that you
just it's very difficult to make.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
Oh yeah, man, anytime you get banged, to lose your spot,
you get traded. Somebody doesn't believe in you. And so
the best players you use that as motivation. Man. That's
the thing is, let me use this as motivation so
(23:33):
that I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I got
to prove myself right. And oh he's really you know
this from being an athlete, man, there is no substitute
for hard work, shimple, How are you going to do this,
You're gonna work your ass off. That's how the best
(23:56):
players are the best players because they work harder than everybody.
There are some dudes like Lebron they're just physically, they're
just born. They're born with great talent, God bless them.
But you still have to work at it and so
you can be what you want to be. You've got
to go put the work in, man, and sometimes that
(24:17):
work isn't easy. You got to look yourself in the
mirror and say, this is what I suck at and
I'm going to attack it to be better. And if
you're not willing to do it, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Raded. That's the
voice of TJ Whosh min Zada Whosh. I'm I'm fascinated
in a couple of of of the wide receiver combinations.
Like you look at the Rams and you know you
add last year you have an unbelievable rookie season. But again,
(24:48):
now you have two weapons. How does that all work
together when they're all healthy.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be at interesting dynamic
for McVeigh to navigate because Cooper Cup when he went down.
That's when Pooker started to make a name for himself, right,
And you feed both of them and get them enough
charges to where both are happy, they're content, they're satisfied.
(25:17):
And as the offense being successful, are you moving the
ball you score on points. That's gonna be the key now.
And we saw it towards the end of the season
where it'd be one game Pooker would have a good one,
oh and then Cooper would have a good one. And
so will it be one of those things or can
they both get off in the same game. That's gonna
be an interesting dynamic. McVeigh has shown he can do it.
(25:41):
It's just a matter of can you do it and
win at the level you want to win at.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
That's a great question. Same build, our same stadium, But
kind of interesting. What the Chargers are doing right feels
pretty obvious they're doing, you know, the Ravens offense. They're
going to run the football, and it does feel on
some level like maybe not the name talentent wide receiver,
but what kind of year does that mean for Justin Herbert.
(26:08):
Sure they'll be able to run it, they'll have better protection,
but does he have the weapons so that he can
throw the football.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
That's that's the question that we all like to answer.
I spent some time with the charges. I was able
to spend some time Harbor inviting me down, went to
a few practices. Queen Johnson can play. He can he
can play. It's a matter of mentally does he believe that.
Can he put last year behind him? Will Lad McConkie
(26:40):
come in and make a difference, Josh Palmer. But the
biggest thing that Harball is just that dude man like
sitting in the meetings and listening to him and being
on the field with hem. She is just He's a
great coach man, and so I have no doubt in
my mind he's gonna find a way to make it work.
I mean, he's been successful everywhere he's been, And after
(27:05):
being around him, I see why. Why the way he
talks to guys, the way he treats them, the way
he encourages them. I wasn't expecting that. Just certain things
you just see being around them, and the belief just
this offseason and the way he was talking to Herbert
(27:27):
and Derwin James and putting so much confidence in him
and their abilities. And that's gonna rub up on the teammates.
And so it's no secret he's had his success, but
I was able to see why. And so he's gonna
find a way to make the Chargers and that organization
(27:47):
cantle folks to another level.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Tjo Just Benzie is our guest here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, help me out
with with Jordan Love. I mean, there was there were
three or four weeks where you're like three or four
You're like, three or four weeks You're like, Wow, this
dude is a dude, and then a lot kind of
in the middle. Did have a big lead against the Niners,
(28:12):
but couldn't put him away the next time around a
lot more difficult. What are your expectations are for Jordan Love?
Speaker 7 (28:20):
I say, Jordan Love to kind of pick up where
he left off. I really do. You looked at that
receiving core and you say they can go three four
deep in each game. One of those three or four
guys with this Romeo dives is Christian Washington if he
can stay healthy. I'm having a brain fart. The kid
from Michigan State. They have so many weapons that each
(28:46):
game you can see a guy get a hundred yards
and so I just see.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Justin love Jayden Reid.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
You're talking about Jane Reid Michigan State. Yes, I just
see him picking up where they left off. Man and
the Packers better. Well, we talked about earlier with Trevor Lawrence.
You get better sign him now because you let this
season start. You're gonna be paying anymore later, and so
get it done now or just pay him a little
more later.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Okay, They're going to face the Eagles, and like I
don't want to do like a preview of the game.
It's in Brazil, but it only allows me to jump
off and talk about the Eagles. Hurts didn't have nearly
as good a year, right, different play color on both sides,
obviously some different personnel, but mostly on the defensive side
of the ball. Same question. Two years ago, probably the
best and most efficient quarterback in football. Last year didn't,
(29:35):
didn't didn't feel like he was a top ten guy.
What's this year?
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I would we all would expect him to rebound. You
don't lead a team to the super Bowl, you don't
have the type of season that he had and just
can't play. Last year wasn't the type of year that
he wanted. We all know that if he was nicked up,
if he had any type injury that we didn't know
about that they kept the secret. Who knows. But I
(30:04):
expect the Eagles to be better. They'll be better defensively
because the Fangio is a really, really good coach. So
just that aspect of it defensively is going to make
the team better on offense because they're not going to
feel like they have to score on every possession, and
so I think mentally that that's gonna help him. But
I expect Jalen Nurse to rebound and have a really
(30:27):
good season.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Who's You're the best. You got to get up to
the Green Bay to come see a game and of
course come over see my team hang out. I can't
wait to see you. Man, you got to you gotta
come and uh and chop it up with us for you.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I got again once again. Man, congrats, man, you go.
It'll be great for them young men, teach them how
to play with teaching how to be men at the
same time. Man, wish you the best, bro.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I love it. Thanks so much. TJ. Tjush Maizada one
of the one of the all time good dudes that
I've ever worked with, and that that relationship started when
he was a player, right obviously Sorito's College and then
he went to Santa Monica College and then to Oregon
State and then onto the NFL. Former Pro bowlide receiver.
Check them out. It up on Game with LaVar Arrington
Plexicoll Burst airs each Saturday on Fox Sports Radio. You
(31:09):
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Doug Goatleap Show podcast, which is available right after the show.
We get the special in the Bonus uh, in the
Bonus Hour podcast. Again, wherever you download podcasts, you get
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Speaker 4 (31:27):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (31:38):
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Speaker 7 (31:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
He was part of Summer Smash this weekend. There, Sammy,
it's pretty good. Huh.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Isn't your sonlike Playboy CARDI?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, Yeah, this is Travis Scott and Playboy play yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Sorry Travis Scott featuring Playwoy Cardio.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but as uh, it was a big
time concert man.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
We were actually we were going to ask you a
little more about that, but perhaps for the podcast on.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Another you can ask me.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Go ahead, what do you want to know?
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well, Jason, I don't know. We were like, do you
ever feel like you were unsafe at that festival or
concert at all?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
No, there's a lot of young, you know, charged up men,
or a.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Lot of thugs there that they're trying to ask. There
were a lot of I'm saying, there's a lot of
weed there, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Did you see the White Sox fan get beat up? Yeah,
that's part of what I was talking. What I was
alluding to, got knocked out and he kept getting out
like they.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Have a mosh bit going on there. I want to
know part of that. Yeah, I mean there was there
was when we were walking out, there was some There's
some guys that were you know, they were jumping around,
hopping up on you know, bumping into people on purpose
a little bit. But fine, overall it was great, and
I mean I just it's not a yeah, it's a
humble brag.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I was.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I was separated from the I wasn't backstage area, the
diamond area. We were like vip or whatever. So you're
kind of up on a little bit of a platform.
You're not that close to it, but you could see it.
And you know, both me and my son were like,
we're good, we're here, you know, so we weren't messing
with the kamonas. But no, it was fine. I mean
just I'm sure it like look obviously at a country festival,
(33:16):
if you got to stage coach there's there's no mosh
bit burning man. Dudes are way too drugged up and
asked it up to go and do anything. I can't
tell you what Coachella is like at that one. Yeah,
there's some when you anytime you have a mosh bit,
there's gonna be guys that take it too far. So
(33:36):
I stayed clear of that. But in a general and
it's on like South side of Chicago, it's but it
was fine. It was fine.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I was.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I did feel like the oldest person there. So let's
get to the press.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
The press.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I mean, imagine being a white Sox fan. Your team
already stinks and you're get in your asking the concert.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Right, he got knocked out at least he got back up. Yeah,
but he had no idea where he was. Yeah, he
had zero idea on what planet he was on. By
the way, why hasn't a record Exactly like if if
you're smart, I would develop Penthouse Cardi, who says a
little more than what Playboy Carti would say and be
a little bit more risky in his lyrics. Don't you
(34:21):
think that would be something that maybe you know, a
record company would like to try to develop.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think anyone Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
There's a Walmart Carty, and there's a There's it would
be a Hustler Cardi, and then.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Hustler Cardi would not be on any radio station ever.
That would that would.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
After Curse, right after Curse Curse.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
You do not want to deal with that.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I just thought, maybe, you know, just to step up
from Playboy Carti would be Penthouse Cardi.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
But who knows?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Uh? Have you see Playboy Cardi? Everything's air Rush? Is
that what it is? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
That's oh Man step down, which is Maxim car Maxim
Cardi is just uh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
The maxic Cardi alludes to everything that that Penthouse Cardi shows.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Uh, did you see the clips of Jason Tatum copying
everybody in all of his NBA Finals celebrations. Yes, oh
my goodness, hilarious. One or two I could get, but
they were. Somebody did a top five of Kanye, Angel, Reese, Kobe,
He's Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Uh, just just.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's what we've created. We've because he's he's a meme
of all these memes.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yes, where where Well I compare it to is when
Gino Smith did the They wrote.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Me off but I didn't write back. Yes, makes zero sense,
by the.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Way, but everybody loved it because I loved it. It
was original and people are saying the same thing.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
And it's just like Kevin Garnett where editing where that
was actually butchering Lunt. He was an Adidas guy, and
there's their slogan was thing is impossible. That's what he
was supposed to say.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
All right, let's do that again. Cut the take two.
All right.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
Tom Brady on the Herd today, weighing in on life
as a broadcaster and improving as a broadcaster.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
When you watch the tapes, do you notice the difference
with you?
Speaker 8 (36:18):
Yeah, I would say yes, And I also think there's
still so much more room for improvement, and I just
it's almost like when I was a player, I never
felt like I did things the right way. There were
games where I'd go in afterward and think, God, I'm
the worst quarterback in the NFL, Like, why would they
even want me to play quarterback for this team? And
I'm sure I'm going to feel that way here at
Fox where I finish a game and I go, God,
(36:38):
I didn't even give them what they wanted. And it's
a very challenging thing in your own mind. I've asked
a few people, how do you know that you did
a good job? And I think for me, so much
of this is going to come down to the preparation
and did I feel like I was prepared that I
feel like our crew was prepared, that I give them
the best over the course of the week so that
we could give ourselves the best opportunity to be successful
(36:59):
for the fans.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Because that's Tom Brady, I cut them on.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, that's not actually how it works. You have to
have somebody you really trust to watch tape, to listen
to tape, to give you clips. It's not in the
preparation because what happens when you overprepare is you try
and get it, You try and sneak everything in and
you just can't. You got to leave about half of
it on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Pascal Siakam's going to stick around with the Pacers four
year max extension after he was acquired by the team
of the Trade Deadline. Going to make about one hundred
and ninety million dollars as part of that deal to
stay in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, I remember there's different levels of max money. It's
a max that they can pay him. It's not the
max that you can make in the NBA. But an
incredible story, right like and you know he was literally unknown,
goes to and it goes to New Mexico State and
just has exploded on the scene. Such a versatile, versatile weapon.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
A couple of other notes.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Kansas lawmakers are proving a measure that could authorize state
bonds to help finance new stadiums for.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
The Chiefs and Royals. So the possibility.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Remains that they could leave Missouri and go to Kansas.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
This is a Missouri and Kansas. That's a fight that
goes back to the Civil War, right and when Missourians
a slave state, burned down. Lawrence under cover of darkness
a free state, So I don't think it'll get to
that point.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
And the PGA Tour Policy Board did approve the Tiger
Woods exemption for the signature events that we talked about
last week. So Tiger, yeah, I won't have to qualify
for those events. He could just play when he wants.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's Tiger card. Just show up. I'm Tiger Woods, get
out there and pressed.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
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