June 20, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug isn't buying the rumor that the NFL is going to cap spending for the position of the quarterback and explains why. Doug welcomes on former NFL Executive Andrew Brandt onto the show to discuss that cap story and other major headlines around the NFL. Doug welcomes LA Times NBA writer Dan Woike onto the show to talk about JJ Redick getting hired as the next Lakers' head coach. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a Thursday edition of "The Press".
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Welcome, welcome, welcome in, welcome in, welcome in, welcome in.
Uh yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What'd you think? Of that sunset I sent you there,
Jase too, that was that was pretty spectacular? Was non?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
It really is?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
It really is? It's spectacular, And I'm guessing the place
you live is remarkable throughout the rest of the summer. Here,
I will say this, in January, are you going to
be sending us something like that or freezing ice fishing?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Uh? Ice fishing? Yeah? Why not? Right?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, I'll say, I'll say to those, I mean, it
won't be as beautiful. There'll be days in which the
snow will be incredible. There'll be days in which it
will be really really cold. But I mean, that is
a spectacular photo. Is it not spectacular?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Little spectacular? Are you gonna say they're Jase?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Are you ready for the snowy conditions? You haven't have
lived in those conditions and have some time?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Right, I understand, But like, can I can I at
least just enjoy the fact that I'm it's a beautiful,
beautiful summer.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm one of those that's like you get married and go,
you know, after she has kids?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Hey, dude, can I just appreciate this for the for
a second.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I have that personality that when I sense a humble
brag I try to like put somebody in their place
right away. It's an annoying part of my personality.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, listen, I I fully know exactly what's I mean,
I don't know exactly what's coming, but I got a
pretty good sense of what's coming. But we're still a
couple months out of when it's coming. In the meantime, like,
I had no idea that this level of beauty was
right there at my fingertips.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Soak it up, Doug. Today is literally the first day
of summer, so you got to it is today's We're
really starting it now today on the twentieth. So I
mean even like September, September is an underrated month for
you know, good weather in the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, well that that I would.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
You got months, man, you got months. You got months
to enjoy.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I mean I got fall. I bring one to experience fall.
I love fall.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Like a little fire out there on your patio fireplace.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I could make a little fire. I have a fire pit. Yeah,
oh yeah, we can make a whole pit of fires.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Oh right, that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Marshmallows. When did the lightning bugs come up? When is
that is that July?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You know?
Speaker 7 (03:30):
My Mom, you know South and Iowa. She's saying that
they have a lot of them right now. So I
don't know up there in Wisconsin they should be around.
I would think.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
They're not around around, not around as of yet.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know what is around is a story that I
don't actually believe.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So uh.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
By the way, the story of the day is that
JJ Reddick is hired as the new head coach of
the Lakers. Get to that in a second. Andrew Brand's
going to join us upcoming, of course, Andrew is the
business of sports guru. We'll ask Kim about the idea
of adding a quarterback salary cap, as Tom Pelisero has
shared with this article, and he was on rich Son.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Don't buy that story.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So NBA coaches without prior coaching experience, which one this
is Tom Pelisaro. By the way, with Rich Iison.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
There certainly has been discussion within the league, rich amongst
certain owners about even the idea of a quarterback cap
that at some point you want quarterback numbers to not
go over a certain percentage of your salary cap. To
my knowledge, that really hasn't gained traction, in part because
so many teams have paid their quarterbacks and if you
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went to suddenly an MBA model where al sudden you
have the Max and the super Max, there's really only
a couple levels that guys can get paid at. It
kind of changes the dynamics in terms of how you
set yourself up.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Salary cap wise or what not.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
So absolutely, there's been a discussion about exactly what you're
talking about, which is, how are we paying this much
MO to this position and to certain guys just because
they're the next one up.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's a great question. It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Again, I don't really understand why this is a big story. Okay,
I want you to listen to this one more time.
He basically says, he kind of there's a couple of
owners that have brought this up, but it's not going
anywhere because most of them have already signed their quarterbacks
and oh yeah, by the way, we have a CBA
for the next six years. They're not going into the
(05:30):
new The CBA is very pro owner. You know who
would now Andrew Brandt would know he knows a whole
hell of a lot more about this than that we would.
Andrew Brant course, the business of sports guru, He's got
the Sunday seven newsletter. Of course, he also actually teaches
a business of sports class at Villanova. He's has a
(05:52):
podcast in the DraftKings network as well. He's the offorer
of that Sunday seven newsletter, which you can see on
social media. He joins in the Doug Gottlib Show on
Sports Radio. You heard the Tom pelsarrow cut, like why
is it a story about a couple of owners one
quarterback salary cap when he also kind of propoosed it
saying it didn't gain ustraction.
Speaker 9 (06:13):
Yeah's interesting that was out there, Doug, and always good
to be with you on the show. I think that
whether it's a cap or not a cap, it's not
a real cap. I think there's some always owners talking
to each other about jeez, these quarterbacks contracts are going
at a whack. But I don't think there'll be a
cap pro owner and I don't think there'll be a
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cap pro player where it's something alike the top quarterbacks
have to make a certain percentage. I think this is
just inside talk that people have that never goes to fruition.
Of course, as we know that would all be the
C word, which is collusion, and there is a collusion
suit that's I don't think is going anywhere, but it's
been around a couple years since everyone decided not to
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go down the path of just On Watson and guaranteed contracts. Listen,
percentage of contracts in a cap in the NFL is
so different than the NBA because the NBA has guaranteed contracts,
so you don't need a signing bonus and peration to
stand to the cap and all these cockamamy ways to
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put out money. In the NBA, Jalen Brown's makes fifty million,
it's a fifty million dollars salary. There's no option bonuses,
there's no signing bonuses, just salaries, but it's guaranteed. In
the NFL. Think about a cap number. You have a
fifty million dollar bonus on a five year deal, so
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you get fifty million cash, but you only get ten
million cap. So your cap number is going to be
very low early on. It's going to be very high
later on when the salaries go up and you still
have that ten million signing bonus per ration on your cap,
and if they redid it, you have extra stuff as well.
Suffice it to say that any kind of of cap
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good or bad for players in the NFL. It's just
not workable like it is in other sports.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
what do you think of the latest big deal, which
is Lawrence's deal in Jacksonville.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Originally I thought, you know how this works, Doug the
agent spits it out. It's in the media two hundred
million dollars two hundred and seventy five on the on
the average of the extension year's highest number along with Burrow.
But the way I judge contracts, Doug, is I like,
it's pure cash, Like what is the guy getting your
one year, two year, three, year four and you know what,
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Trevor Lawrence comes in last last year, one year, two, year,
three or four compared to pick a name Burrow, Herbert Jackson, Prescott, Hurt,
Daniel Jones. So listen, it probably goes way up after
(09:00):
year four. But I don't really consider those years important
because things change so much. You're a year with these deals,
so it's not what it's cracked up to be. Now again,
is it a lot of money to make whatever he
makes hundred and thirty million over the first three years, Yeah,
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of course, but it's not fifty five a year, because
when you put the extension years out, these are deals
with years left on them. So you average in the
remaining years to the extension years, you're not over fifty million,
You're around forty million.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Andrew Bants our guest. You're on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. We keep getting closer and closer
to training camp and nothing done with TUA as of yet.
What do you think tooas deal looks like if you
were in Miami's front offices, that's a tough.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
One, Doug. That's the toughest one. I mean, if you're
gonna ask me about Jordan Love, no brainer to me.
You know, I think there's a chance that Miami doesn't
do anything because they probably can get I'm speculating they
want to see it another year.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Now.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Again, you're taking a risk because then you get to
the end of contract, you're playing the franchise tad game.
Players may be unhappy, But if I'm the player side,
before I put on my Dolphins hat, I'm like, why
am I not getting fifty plus million on the extension years?
You know, it's not really a debate about am I
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better than this guy? Am I worse than this guy.
You can make an argument for Tua, he's better than Lawrence.
You can make an argument who is better than Herbert?
Look at some stats book at winning and Burrow got hurt.
So anyway, yeah, you can make that argument. But if
you're the Dolphins, there's.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No argument you can make that you're better than Herbert.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I've seen them play against each other twice, and one
is a very good quarterback. The other one is good
surrounded by great players. It's not really close. I understand
you're talking agent talk and understand it, but the reality is, like,
it's not.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
In that ballpark.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
I get the problem. We've talked about this before on
the show. If you're doing a quarterback contract, can you
go to a player like Tua and say, you know,
I know the market's fifty five or fifty two, but
we're going to offer you like forty or forty five.
Even the player is going to say, why would I
do that? You know, it's like, I get it.
Speaker 10 (11:41):
This is the conversation we had last.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
Two years ago now on Daniel Jones, and the question
is do you do you sign them or you not?
And if you're going to sign them, you're gonna pay
Daniel Jones at that time forty two million a year. Now,
if you didn't want to sign them, fine, let him
go to free agency, let them do it with the
other things. But I think two is the same boat.
(12:04):
I think I put to it. Just like Daniel Jones.
If you're going to play the quarterback game, you got
to pay him, but you don't have to do it.
You can take your chances.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You can, in fact take your chances. He's Andrew Brant
of course the business of sports. He's got that podcast
on the Draft Kings podcast network, and of course he
also has his Sunday seven newsletter, which you need to
pick up getting ready for the upcoming NFL season.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Okay, Jordan Love, how do you structure that one?
Speaker 9 (12:33):
Well, thanks to a guy named Andrew Brandt, the Packers
don't guarantee beyond year one. So it's a problem. I mean,
this is going to be a massive deal, and the
Packers are going to load up, just like they did
with Aaron Rodgers, load up that year one because that's
the only true guarantees. Even though no one expects Jordan
(12:55):
Love will be cut anytime in the next few years.
But I would imagine you have a first year number
of seventy to ninety million dollars, you know, and then
can they withstand that, yeah, deferred money on the bonus,
they can they can handle that. It's shit the policy
(13:18):
that I started years ago and they've kept it up.
But if you take away the guarantee issue, I think
it's going to match it to those numbers. I think
it's going to match fifty five a year.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I really do.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
I just think the way he played statistically over the
last ten games, he was one of the best courses
in the league, if not the best. So he played
a right you know, he sat for three years and
he had a monster.
Speaker 10 (13:48):
End of the year.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
He played it perfectly.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
Leveragewise.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Andrew Brandt,
who of course establishes Cockham Amy policy.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
I'm kidding, yeah, in Green Bay that you heard of
that place?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, yes, I have. I have heard, but I had
no idea. It was so pretty in the summer. Yeah no, no,
no no idea at all about Door County or about anything.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
Had a cottage there. Wonderful you had a cottage in
Door County.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Saying the word cottage does sound slightly it it sounds
like you had tea and wine a lot in the cottage.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
I know that's not and it's interesting because Green Bay
and Wisconsin people are anything but that correct, total blue collar,
but they referred to the places up in Door County
as cottages. It's not just me, they do.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't know if you saw the story, but David
Shaw was hired for the front office, right and he's
a senior personnel senior personnel executive. David Shaw, who, of course,
I think like twenty five plus years NFL college level,
then did a tremendous job at Stanford and has long
been lusted for in NFL circles.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
What's it like that he's brought in to replace George Patten?
Speaker 9 (15:13):
Well, again, you're asking something close to home here. I'm
a Stanford guy. David had me out a couple of
times to speak to the team about kind of what's
next in their career at business of sports. So I'm
a big fan. And he's one of those guys that
is more than a coach, you know, that really has
(15:34):
an understanding of business, really has an appreciation for contracts
and for talent, marrying talent with money. I'm surprised that
it took this long, actually, Doug. He's really like, really
well respected around the league, and Sean Payton's always been
(15:56):
a fan now has him in there. It's a good,
good match.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But but Sean Payton was brought in and Patton was
already there, and doesn't it doesn't that feel.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Like we know what the what the what the end
outcome is going to be.
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Yeah, I don't know how much Peyton is a pure
talent evaluator more of an administrator. I don't know exactly
the role, because as you said, Peyton's gotten much more
involved in personnel and that's a sign in itself. So yeah,
I'm agreeing with you. That doesn't bode well long term
future there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You're the best. Andrew really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Uh, gonna be fascinating to see what happens with quarterback money,
especially those quarterbacks we talked about likely to get extensions
here in this offseason.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Thanks for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
Thanks.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
I got someone just asked, what it's my Sunday seven
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Dan Wick's going to
join us and a bit he covers the NBA for
the La Times as the news of the day is
the La Lakers have hired JJ Reddick, and I don't
think Look, the hire is unique as we've seen, you know,
Kevin McHale, Vinnie del Negro, Mark Jackson, Jason Kids, Steve Kerr,
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Derek Fisher, Steve Nash. I'll be hired without being coaches previously.
That of course myself in college as well. Fred Hoiberg's
been hired in college without having previously been a coach,
Chris Mullen. Heiberg great success, Chris Mullen not great success.
So there's been a variance of it. But really really
(17:55):
interesting that the Lakers process, which seemed to be honing
in on J. J. Redick, and then all of a
sudden it was Danny Hurley. Now it's back to JJ Redick.
Tug Gotlib show. Fox Sports rader Dan Wicky joins us
he covers the NBA for the La Times.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Dan that the process was weird, at least publicly.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Uh And look, I'm sure we'll know more and more
in the coming days, weeks, maybe even months. But what
do you know about what really happened that led JJ
Reddick to be a leading candidate. Then suddenly Dan Hurley
now was apparently being the head coach of the Lakers.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
So this is I would say some level of like
informed speculation, Doug, Right, like, because I've been working the story.
You know, I was in Chicago at the combine and
everything I heard from people was JJ Redick. You know,
that was the name. When I would stop and get
stopped by bribal gms, I know, by different people around
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the NBA who would say, you know, like who's going
to be the coach? Or you know, it's good, why
are they going to hire JJ? Ritis They're going to
hire JJ Reddick? You know, And it really really picked
up a lot of steam, right. I can't also say
that you know, internally, the conversations I was having, you know,
(19:17):
like this was a pretty closed search, right. It was
Rob Polinka and Genbus we're basically, like, you know, the
only two people who really knew what was going on.
And you know, as I was doing my reporting, I
was hearing things like, you know, the messaging internally being
like this is more open than you realize. This is
an open process. You know, don't believe what you're hearing. Necessarily,
(19:39):
it's a lot of noise.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Now.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
It was never like openly refuted as to like, you know,
we've got this grand plan with Dan Hurley. So I
was always being kind of fed parallel pieces of information
throughout the search and tried to put that as much
in my reporting. Yes, jj Redick, people everywhere on the
least of jj Rick was the front runner. No one,
(20:02):
you know, potentially outside of Adrian Rosnerowski knew about Dan
Hurley until we all knew about Dan Hurley.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (20:08):
That was kind of very quiet, and I think it
was a scenario where maybe both things were true. I
mean definitely people believed, I can tell you for sure.
People thought that this process began and would end with
Jjia Reddick. You know, six weeks ago there was a
huge curveball in the middle of it. And so I
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guess like everybody was simultaneously right and wrong. Doug, how
this one played out? It is really bizarre.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It is really bizarre.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
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Speaker 3 (20:43):
Okay, is the staff set by your estimation?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
No?
Speaker 10 (20:49):
Not fully said. I mean I think I can speak
to some of the names that I've heard, you know,
and reported throughout the process. I mean, I think they
want experience on the bench. Scott Brooks, Southern California native
Doug that you know well is a name that has
come up a lot in this process. The Hurger John
Rondo's name, you know, as a guy that I think
people view as being you know, really smart and and
(21:13):
and potential as a coach. Certainly you know, played with
Lebron James and Anthony Davis as well. And then and
then I think you add in the other factor in this.
You know, this is a guy like Jared Dudley. But look,
Jerre Dudley has a job, He has a good job.
Sam can sell as a player they like, he's got
a job, I'm sorry, a coach that they like, and
it is about probably to get promoted filling out of
(21:35):
staff is hard, but but I think experience and lockero
relatability will be the keys. You know, this as this process,
like you know, figuring out who's going to be with
you and who's going to do what It is so critical.
It's critical for everybody, especially critical for a first time
as coach.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
No question about it.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You got to have people know what you don't what
what you don't know, and empower them to do their job.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Dan Wiki is our guest. Kids in the background, smack
them around.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
To me on the Doug Gotlic Joe, Doug, I tell
pretty literally potty training this week. By the way, it's great,
great planning on our h and I could say that
my son dropped some real big news right before the nice.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Nice can I can I share you with you a
potty training story? I have them so when I love
when I was at ESPN. My my house when my
son was potty training, had a basement and then had
a playroom upstairs. So there's like three different levels. And
so they get to the point to where they can
go in the toilet. But the wiping part is you
(22:45):
don't want a two or two year old or three
year old piping right right, So they're not really self sufficient.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So you get the debt.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And it became like we got it, dude. So we
would tell our son, Hayes, okay to clap ten times. Okay,
clap ten times, and we'd come find you, and we'd
come we'd wipe your bottom.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
That's a horror movie.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
That sounds like a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No, The problem is that the house was rather large,
a bit echoey, and you're doing something else and you
hear this and you're like, what bathroom is that in?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Somebody find that kid.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
Like the Conjuring, Doug. That's also the part of the movie,
the Conjuring. It's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I have not I have not seen The Conjuring, man.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
I had no idea people clapping, just the image of clapping,
and sure to find horror behind it. Yeah, it's a
real it's a real treat. But hey, lucky to be
able to do with my kids.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's fun, no question about it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you said you're out the combine, okay, and Rich
Paul's telling people like, not a package deal, not a
package deal.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
All these coop these.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Guys clamoring for Brownie James, Uh, you talk to real people,
real gs. What what's the real feeling on Brownie the prospect?
Speaker 10 (24:06):
Well? Two things, right, I mean, I think you know,
we reported after the combine that despite like that messaging,
right like, there were teams that we're going to have
conversations and have meetings that say, like if we draft
Ronnie like, does this like does this make Lebron think
about it? Right?
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Like?
Speaker 10 (24:23):
And I think it's important to realize that it's like
the session that people out there like, oh, like they're
going to waste a draft pick. And I mean this
as respectfully that any player who gets drafted like thirty
five to forty draft picks functionally get wasted every draft,
right Like, the further away from number one you are,
historically speaking, the less likely you have a chance you
(24:44):
have to succeed. Now, that doesn't mean you should draft
me at that fifty one, because why not, you know?
But but I do think like some of the pearl
clutching over the notion of a team using a draft
pick for reasons other than potentially the prospect is now,
I do think that they've separated, to whatever extent they
can you know Bronnie James from his father's future destinations? Right?
(25:08):
Like the again the wild?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
But if they but if they do that, he has
what value? Does he really have?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
This?
Speaker 10 (25:15):
This is so so this would be the argument for
Brownie James. And this is an argument I've had some
talent and value talent evaluators make to me, right, which
is that his tremendous athlete. He plays the right way.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Not Okay, The first thing is he's not a tremendous athlete.
He's just can vertical. Yeah, but a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
Okay, So he plays like he has the sort of
wingspan and a vertical leap to make up for some
of his size deficiencies. The shot, the shot is a
work in progress, but he shot it really well in Chicago.
They shot it well in some workouts. And and then
I and then I think, like, honestly, like it's the
feeling as like, is he a player? This is the question,
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And then that many teams are ask themselves. Is he
a player who's thinking like the things that he does well,
the extra pass like that, that type of stuff. Does
that play better around better players? And I think the
notion is right is like you're not drafting Brownie James.
You shouldn't be drafting Brownie James. They play basketball for
you next year. Like he's you know, I mean, he's
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a second round pick, I think, or undrafted based on
everybody out, Doug. I don't know anybody who has the
first round greade on him. But you know, I I
think if you're picking fiftieth, you know that you look
at a player and you say, like, Okay, he wants
to play the right way. He wants to he wants
to do the things that quote unquote whenning basketball players do.
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He's willing.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
You know.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
I think the thing he said, Doug, that was really smart,
the combine, that's like what he talked about, you know,
like Davion Mitchell, you know what I mean, and look cool.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, but here's here's the thing. Okay, let's okay, let's
let's do the Mitchell. Okay, let's do the da michellilor
like he is, David Mitchell win a national championship. His
nickname was off Night because everybody got okay to call
him Davion Mitchell is an affront to Davian Mitchell, who,
by the way, Davion Mitchell can't stay in the league
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and he's an unbelievable defender.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
And second, he has a real job, right like, he
has one job. He doesn't have a night to night roll,
right like, because he's limited and what he's able to do.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I agree, he's a blend player you're not gonna with
And you're right, second round picks, there's a reason that
they're there, but there's.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
That's the argument.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Is that right?
Speaker 10 (27:30):
But you know he is that kind of a player,
and you know you can you're if you're going to
be drafting question marks in the mid forties to the
end of the to the end of the you know,
you look at your situation, you look at your developmental system,
and you say, do we think we can improve the shot?
Do we think that you know, this is a player
who will perform better with better teammates and stuff like
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that in a better situation and sug Honestly, here's the
other part of it. Do we think that this is
just a kid who needs a little more time removed
from a heart attack? That's like I think he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He wasn't a dominant player before the heart attack. Correct,
you know, it's like it's like we're acting.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
Like he was a good player. Though he was a
good player, they.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Shouldn't have been McDonald's all American, like, let's not kid ourselves.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
But he had elevated him I mean, he had elevated
himself at least, especially if my understanding was like between
the summers of his junior and his senior season. And
you know this scene much better than I do. But
like that that he'd taken a real step.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
He did not translate. And I went to watch him
in high school basketball. He was just another guy in
high school basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I just I can't.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I mean, like, Looksen, you're talking about. The other second
round picks are guys like PJ. Hall and Kevin mccullor
and Pella Larson and Tristan Newton. Tristan, like Tristan Newton
went back to back national titles, is an elite defensive player,
an elite he's I mean, like that's who we're matching
up against. It's not it's it's is he all the
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things you're talking about? Yes, are all these guys missing something? Yes,
But he's missing so much I just can't. And then
you separate him from the idea of getting his father
along with it and there's just not a lot of
value there, you know.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
And and Doug, I mean, I think that is sort
of you know, I think you're I think you're right
and a lot of what you're saying, and I agree
with you. I mean I think that in the second round,
like you are, you're you're basically like what you're You're
doing two things right. You're drafting for the skills that
you love and the weakness is that you can accept, right, Like,
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I mean, that's really yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And look, he wouldn't be.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
If he was six foot seven to write like, I mean,
here's like and he's not like. This was one thing
that Scott told Scott told me about him was like
in a Scott and I trust experience guy. It's like,
you know, obviously if if Brownnie is six foot five, like,
the conversations around Bronnie are very different. I think you
can look at a player that you know, Rich Paul
represented last year and Chris Livingston, you know who got
(29:58):
a guaranteed deal with Milwaukee Bob expect at the end
of the second round. Chris Livingston's NBA body is vastly
different than Brannie James's, but it wasn't like Chris Livingston
had an amazing season from college basketball despite you know,
entering as a five star prospect and all that stuff.
I mean, like, this isn't this is not the first
time some version of this has happened, where you look
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at the situation, look at an opportunity, and you say,
and if it sounds like I'm arguing for Bronnie, it's
that's not it. I don't really know. I'm just telling
you the people that I some of the people that
I trust who like him, this is what they like
about him, right?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Is that last thing?
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You know the Clippers really really well, what has led
Paul George to have such a level of discontent.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
With the Clippers.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
I mean, I would think he'd want his contract, you know,
or would have wanted it, like, you know, a while ago.
And I think this is sort of one of the realities, Doug,
of the second apron and the fear of it and
the fear of the consequences of it. You know, where
if you invest heavily into players that you don't believe
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or you don't know can can get you. I mean,
it's so prohibitive and what you can do in terms
of trades is so prohibitive and what you can do
in terms of the types of players you can sign,
the exceptions, you have access to all of that stuff.
And then I think, you know, the Clippers have a
ton of smart people working in the organization. You know,
you look around and you see the teams and the
way teams are built and like that that's you know,
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one hundred and fifty million to three players has not
been a viable pathway. You know, you've got to kind
of if you're going to like go outside your organization
for these sets of stars. The way the clip the
Clippers have had to like, that's not a viable way forwards.
It hasn't worked for anyone, you know, really, so I
(31:49):
think that the clippers hesitation on that front has opened
the door to speculation. And look, he is going to
be heavily thought after and free agency, you know, despite
his limitations, because this is a bad free agency, you know,
it really is. And I think Paul George, by the way,
is the kind of guy you know, you talk about
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wanting to do things the right way and different things
like that. I mean, Paul George plays the right way
when he's on the court. You'd like to see him
play with more fire, I think, but but look, people
are who they are. He has the skill. Doug is
I watched these playoffs like one of the things like obviously, right,
it's complicated team building, but in some ways it's really simple. It's,
(32:31):
you know, dribble, pass, shoot, defend and be big like
is really like a good and that's what Boston did excellently,
Like they do all of those things. Paul George does
a lot of those things, and I think he's I mean,
he's a fantastic tough shot maker. You saw that, you
know against Dallas at times, but obviously not the guy
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that I think. You know, if you were looking at
the Clippers and saying like, okay, well we need Kawhi
Leonard to we know Kawhi Leonard win US finals games, right,
because that's happened before. If you're picking secondary people, like
maybe maybe you just want to change it up and
maybe you think James Harden's durability during the regular season
matters more than Paul George's.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
S Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's
the voice of Dan Wiki. Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna
sneak in one more even though I were I love
a dog.
Speaker 10 (33:21):
I got time, Doug Dry Dry we got time.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I'm getting the wave off from from from Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, we gotta go, guys.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Thanks all right, Dan, we have to we have to
do it again. Makes you go get Logan, go hook
him up. Tell me he's the best, big boy, big girl.
Bet is the next, is next? Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Thanks Doug, appreciate you.
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Sunny Green Bay. That was a real sunset picture on
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Speaker 3 (34:05):
Real.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
No, there were literally no filters at all. Speaking of
no filters, let's get you to Monsey Blania's with the press,
the press. What do you have there, Monty Blanos, well.
Speaker 11 (34:24):
A Doug Gottlieb head coach of Wisconsin University Men's basketball, green.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Bay, Green Bay, Green great guard sitt They going, Hey,
what did I lose my job?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Green Bay, Green Bay?
Speaker 11 (34:37):
So the big story today, JJ Reddick agreed on a
four year contract.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I mean, you're hiring guys and coaches, just analysts. Who
are these idiots making these.
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Oh well, the idiots might be Rob Polinka, right, and
Jeanie Buss. But if you're wondering when this all started,
According to The Athletic, they first met with JJ Reddick
May thirteenth at the NBA Draft combine in Chicago. That
was the first time that they spoke for apparently two hours,
Rob Polinka and JJ Reddick. Then they met again at
(35:07):
the Lakers facility June fifteenth, and he met with Palenka,
he met with Jeanie, the Buses, the remaining you know,
Joey and Jesse and all the stakeholders in the organization.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
So that's kind of when this all started. Four years
apparently eight million according to The Athletic.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The four years is a big thing because you know,
remember they didn't get Tyler because they only offered him
three years. They wanted to be a three year thing.
They offered six for seventy to to Dan Hurley. I
reported six for seventy, So yeah, I mean, he not
turned down that deal. But I also think that the
story earlier today about him potentially being a candidate in Detroit.
(35:44):
That's just leverage to get this thing done, which it
got done today.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Right right.
Speaker 11 (35:48):
And other NBA news. You know, we know that Lakers
are now with JJ Reddick as our head coach, probably
going to keep Lebron James. The question mark is around
Bronni James.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But Paul Jory or.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
Who we don't know what he is going to do
with this future. Said this about Brownie on his podcast, What's.
Speaker 13 (36:05):
Most impressive is just his his basketball sappiness, like his basketball,
like you like he can do it all, Like I don't.
I feel like he hasn't shown that he can really
be elite at a lot of things, But I think
he can be elite at a lot of things. Like
I feel like he's like in that Derek White, And
it was interesting that that's his comparisons that he wants
(36:27):
to be like or coming out look like. But I
compare him to like the Drew Holliday, the Derek White's
like guys that are glue, guys that can go do
everything on the floor and help you win.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
After Derek White's performance turing the playoffs, that's a big.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
It's not he can do a lot of things elite,
he just hasn't shown it. When ha is he shown it?
Speaker 9 (36:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Like, again, I'm not I'm not trying to be a
jerk here.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I'm just telling you I've gone to his high school
basketball games and if his last name wasn't James, he's
just a nice player.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
We went college conversation like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And I like, what is Paul George supposed to say there?
There's a lot of things he can do elite. How
about doing.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Any of them?
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
If he was, if he was a lockdown defender the
likes of which people are making him out to be,
don't you think Andy Enfeld would have played him more?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
When he did, when he was forced to play him
more because of injuries, they couldn't win in the Pac twelve,
which was a down conference.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So I like, what are we doing? We have to
stop this.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
All right quickly here, Doug.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
The NCAA has presented a planted Division one to maybe
expand the basketball tournament from March Madness for maybe eight teams.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I disagree with this, even though
I want my I want my conferences arising to get
multiple bids in there. But I mean this is being
done to get more high major teams into the tournament
because they feel like that's the only way to keep everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
In in the NCAA. That's the reality, dude, and.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
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Uh yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What'd you think? Of that sunset I sent you there,
Jase too, that was that was pretty spectacular? Was non?
Speaker 5 (01:06):
It really is?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
It really is? It's spectacular, And I'm guessing the place
you live is remarkable throughout the rest of the summer. Here,
I will say this, in January, are you going to
be sending us something like that or freezing ice fishing?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Uh? Ice fishing? Yeah? Why not? Right?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, I'll say, I'll say to those, I mean, it
won't be as beautiful. There'll be days in which the
snow will be incredible. There'll be days in which it
will be really really cold. But I mean, that is
a spectacular photo. Is it not spectacular?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Little spectacular? Are you gonna say they're Jase?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Are you ready for the snowy conditions? You haven't have
lived in those conditions and have some time?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Right, I understand, But like, can I can I at
least just enjoy the fact that I'm it's a beautiful,
beautiful summer.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm one of those that's like you get married and go,
you know, after she has kids?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Hey, dude, can I just appreciate this for the for
a second.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I have that personality that when I sense a humble
brag I try to like put somebody in their place
right away. It's an annoying part of my personality.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, listen, I I fully know exactly what's I mean,
I don't know exactly what's coming, but I got a
pretty good sense of what's coming. But we're still a
couple months out of when it's coming. In the meantime, like,
I had no idea that this level of beauty was
right there at my fingertips.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Soak it up, Doug. Today is literally the first day
of summer, so you got to it is today's We're
really starting it now today on the twentieth. So I
mean even like September, September is an underrated month for
you know, good weather in the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, well that that I would.
Speaker 7 (03:04):
You got months, man, you got months. You got months
to enjoy.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I mean I got fall. I bring one to experience fall.
I love fall.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Like a little fire out there on your patio fireplace.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I could make a little fire. I have a fire pit. Yeah,
oh yeah, we can make a whole pit of fires.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Oh right, that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Marshmallows. When did the lightning bugs come up? When is
that is that July?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You know?
Speaker 7 (03:30):
My Mom, you know South and Iowa. She's saying that
they have a lot of them right now. So I
don't know up there in Wisconsin they should be around.
I would think.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
They're not around around, not around as of yet.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know what is around is a story that I
don't actually believe.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So uh.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
By the way, the story of the day is that
JJ Reddick is hired as the new head coach of
the Lakers. Get to that in a second. Andrew Brand's
going to join us upcoming, of course, Andrew is the
business of sports guru. We'll ask Kim about the idea
of adding a quarterback salary cap, as Tom Pelisero has
shared with this article, and he was on rich Son.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Don't buy that story.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So NBA coaches without prior coaching experience, which one this
is Tom Pelisaro. By the way, with Rich Iison.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
There certainly has been discussion within the league, rich amongst
certain owners about even the idea of a quarterback cap
that at some point you want quarterback numbers to not
go over a certain percentage of your salary cap. To
my knowledge, that really hasn't gained traction, in part because
so many teams have paid their quarterbacks and if you
(04:41):
went to suddenly an MBA model where al sudden you
have the Max and the super Max, there's really only
a couple levels that guys can get paid at. It
kind of changes the dynamics in terms of how you
set yourself up.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Salary cap wise or what not.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
So absolutely, there's been a discussion about exactly what you're
talking about, which is, how are we paying this much
MO to this position and to certain guys just because
they're the next one up.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's a great question. It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Again, I don't really understand why this is a big story. Okay,
I want you to listen to this one more time.
He basically says, he kind of there's a couple of
owners that have brought this up, but it's not going
anywhere because most of them have already signed their quarterbacks
and oh yeah, by the way, we have a CBA
for the next six years. They're not going into the
(05:30):
new The CBA is very pro owner. You know who
would now Andrew Brandt would know he knows a whole
hell of a lot more about this than that we would.
Andrew Brant course, the business of sports guru, He's got
the Sunday seven newsletter. Of course, he also actually teaches
a business of sports class at Villanova. He's has a
(05:52):
podcast in the DraftKings network as well. He's the offorer
of that Sunday seven newsletter, which you can see on
social media. He joins in the Doug Gottlib Show on
Sports Radio. You heard the Tom pelsarrow cut, like why
is it a story about a couple of owners one
quarterback salary cap when he also kind of propoosed it
saying it didn't gain ustraction.
Speaker 9 (06:13):
Yeah's interesting that was out there, Doug, and always good
to be with you on the show. I think that
whether it's a cap or not a cap, it's not
a real cap. I think there's some always owners talking
to each other about jeez, these quarterbacks contracts are going
at a whack. But I don't think there'll be a
cap pro owner and I don't think there'll be a
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cap pro player where it's something alike the top quarterbacks
have to make a certain percentage. I think this is
just inside talk that people have that never goes to fruition.
Of course, as we know that would all be the
C word, which is collusion, and there is a collusion
suit that's I don't think is going anywhere, but it's
been around a couple years since everyone decided not to
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go down the path of just On Watson and guaranteed contracts. Listen,
percentage of contracts in a cap in the NFL is
so different than the NBA because the NBA has guaranteed contracts,
so you don't need a signing bonus and peration to
stand to the cap and all these cockamamy ways to
(07:19):
put out money. In the NBA, Jalen Brown's makes fifty million,
it's a fifty million dollars salary. There's no option bonuses,
there's no signing bonuses, just salaries, but it's guaranteed. In
the NFL. Think about a cap number. You have a
fifty million dollar bonus on a five year deal, so
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you get fifty million cash, but you only get ten
million cap. So your cap number is going to be
very low early on. It's going to be very high
later on when the salaries go up and you still
have that ten million signing bonus per ration on your cap,
and if they redid it, you have extra stuff as well.
Suffice it to say that any kind of of cap
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good or bad for players in the NFL. It's just
not workable like it is in other sports.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
what do you think of the latest big deal, which
is Lawrence's deal in Jacksonville.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
Originally I thought, you know how this works, Doug the
agent spits it out. It's in the media two hundred
million dollars two hundred and seventy five on the on
the average of the extension year's highest number along with Burrow.
But the way I judge contracts, Doug, is I like,
it's pure cash, Like what is the guy getting your
one year, two year, three, year four and you know what,
(08:40):
Trevor Lawrence comes in last last year, one year, two, year,
three or four compared to pick a name Burrow, Herbert Jackson, Prescott, Hurt,
Daniel Jones. So listen, it probably goes way up after
(09:00):
year four. But I don't really consider those years important
because things change so much. You're a year with these deals,
so it's not what it's cracked up to be. Now again,
is it a lot of money to make whatever he
makes hundred and thirty million over the first three years, Yeah,
(09:24):
of course, but it's not fifty five a year, because
when you put the extension years out, these are deals
with years left on them. So you average in the
remaining years to the extension years, you're not over fifty million,
You're around forty million.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Andrew Bants our guest. You're on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. We keep getting closer and closer
to training camp and nothing done with TUA as of yet.
What do you think tooas deal looks like if you
were in Miami's front offices, that's a tough.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
One, Doug. That's the toughest one. I mean, if you're
gonna ask me about Jordan Love, no brainer to me.
You know, I think there's a chance that Miami doesn't
do anything because they probably can get I'm speculating they
want to see it another year.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Now.
Speaker 9 (10:16):
Again, you're taking a risk because then you get to
the end of contract, you're playing the franchise tad game.
Players may be unhappy, But if I'm the player side,
before I put on my Dolphins hat, I'm like, why
am I not getting fifty plus million on the extension years?
You know, it's not really a debate about am I
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better than this guy? Am I worse than this guy.
You can make an argument for Tua, he's better than Lawrence.
You can make an argument who is better than Herbert?
Look at some stats book at winning and Burrow got hurt.
So anyway, yeah, you can make that argument. But if
you're the Dolphins, there's.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No argument you can make that you're better than Herbert.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I've seen them play against each other twice, and one
is a very good quarterback. The other one is good
surrounded by great players. It's not really close. I understand
you're talking agent talk and understand it, but the reality is, like,
it's not.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
In that ballpark.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
I get the problem. We've talked about this before on
the show. If you're doing a quarterback contract, can you
go to a player like Tua and say, you know,
I know the market's fifty five or fifty two, but
we're going to offer you like forty or forty five.
Even the player is going to say, why would I
do that? You know, it's like, I get it.
Speaker 10 (11:41):
This is the conversation we had last.
Speaker 9 (11:43):
Two years ago now on Daniel Jones, and the question
is do you do you sign them or you not?
And if you're going to sign them, you're gonna pay
Daniel Jones at that time forty two million a year. Now,
if you didn't want to sign them, fine, let him
go to free agency, let them do it with the
other things. But I think two is the same boat.
(12:04):
I think I put to it. Just like Daniel Jones.
If you're going to play the quarterback game, you got
to pay him, but you don't have to do it.
You can take your chances.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You can, in fact take your chances. He's Andrew Brant
of course the business of sports. He's got that podcast
on the Draft Kings podcast network, and of course he
also has his Sunday seven newsletter, which you need to
pick up getting ready for the upcoming NFL season.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Okay, Jordan Love, how do you structure that one?
Speaker 9 (12:33):
Well, thanks to a guy named Andrew Brandt, the Packers
don't guarantee beyond year one. So it's a problem. I mean,
this is going to be a massive deal, and the
Packers are going to load up, just like they did
with Aaron Rodgers, load up that year one because that's
the only true guarantees. Even though no one expects Jordan
(12:55):
Love will be cut anytime in the next few years.
But I would imagine you have a first year number
of seventy to ninety million dollars, you know, and then
can they withstand that, yeah, deferred money on the bonus,
they can they can handle that. It's shit the policy
(13:18):
that I started years ago and they've kept it up.
But if you take away the guarantee issue, I think
it's going to match it to those numbers. I think
it's going to match fifty five a year.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I really do.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
I just think the way he played statistically over the
last ten games, he was one of the best courses
in the league, if not the best. So he played
a right you know, he sat for three years and
he had a monster.
Speaker 10 (13:48):
End of the year.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
He played it perfectly.
Speaker 10 (13:51):
Leveragewise.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Andrew Brandt,
who of course establishes Cockham Amy policy.
Speaker 9 (13:58):
I'm kidding, yeah, in Green Bay that you heard of
that place?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, yes, I have. I have heard, but I had
no idea. It was so pretty in the summer. Yeah no, no,
no no idea at all about Door County or about anything.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
Had a cottage there. Wonderful you had a cottage in
Door County.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Saying the word cottage does sound slightly it it sounds
like you had tea and wine a lot in the cottage.
Speaker 9 (14:29):
I know that's not and it's interesting because Green Bay
and Wisconsin people are anything but that correct, total blue collar,
but they referred to the places up in Door County
as cottages. It's not just me, they do.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I don't know if you saw the story, but David
Shaw was hired for the front office, right and he's
a senior personnel senior personnel executive. David Shaw, who, of course,
I think like twenty five plus years NFL college level,
then did a tremendous job at Stanford and has long
been lusted for in NFL circles.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
What's it like that he's brought in to replace George Patten?
Speaker 9 (15:13):
Well, again, you're asking something close to home here. I'm
a Stanford guy. David had me out a couple of
times to speak to the team about kind of what's
next in their career at business of sports. So I'm
a big fan. And he's one of those guys that
is more than a coach, you know, that really has
(15:34):
an understanding of business, really has an appreciation for contracts
and for talent, marrying talent with money. I'm surprised that
it took this long, actually, Doug. He's really like, really
well respected around the league, and Sean Payton's always been
(15:56):
a fan now has him in there. It's a good,
good match.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But but Sean Payton was brought in and Patton was
already there, and doesn't it doesn't that feel.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Like we know what the what the what the end
outcome is going to be.
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Yeah, I don't know how much Peyton is a pure
talent evaluator more of an administrator. I don't know exactly
the role, because as you said, Peyton's gotten much more
involved in personnel and that's a sign in itself. So yeah,
I'm agreeing with you. That doesn't bode well long term
future there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You're the best. Andrew really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Uh, gonna be fascinating to see what happens with quarterback money,
especially those quarterbacks we talked about likely to get extensions
here in this offseason.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Dan Wick's going to
join us and a bit he covers the NBA for
the La Times as the news of the day is
the La Lakers have hired JJ Reddick, and I don't
think Look, the hire is unique as we've seen, you know,
Kevin McHale, Vinnie del Negro, Mark Jackson, Jason Kids, Steve Kerr,
(17:33):
Derek Fisher, Steve Nash. I'll be hired without being coaches previously.
That of course myself in college as well. Fred Hoiberg's
been hired in college without having previously been a coach,
Chris Mullen. Heiberg great success, Chris Mullen not great success.
So there's been a variance of it. But really really
(17:55):
interesting that the Lakers process, which seemed to be honing
in on J. J. Redick, and then all of a
sudden it was Danny Hurley. Now it's back to JJ Redick.
Tug Gotlib show. Fox Sports rader Dan Wicky joins us
he covers the NBA for the La Times.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Dan that the process was weird, at least publicly.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Uh And look, I'm sure we'll know more and more
in the coming days, weeks, maybe even months. But what
do you know about what really happened that led JJ
Reddick to be a leading candidate. Then suddenly Dan Hurley
now was apparently being the head coach of the Lakers.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
So this is I would say some level of like
informed speculation, Doug, Right, like, because I've been working the story.
You know, I was in Chicago at the combine and
everything I heard from people was JJ Redick. You know,
that was the name. When I would stop and get
stopped by bribal gms, I know, by different people around
(18:56):
the NBA who would say, you know, like who's going
to be the coach? Or you know, it's good, why
are they going to hire JJ? Ritis They're going to
hire JJ Reddick? You know, And it really really picked
up a lot of steam, right. I can't also say
that you know, internally, the conversations I was having, you know,
(19:17):
like this was a pretty closed search, right. It was
Rob Polinka and Genbus we're basically, like, you know, the
only two people who really knew what was going on.
And you know, as I was doing my reporting, I
was hearing things like, you know, the messaging internally being
like this is more open than you realize. This is
an open process. You know, don't believe what you're hearing. Necessarily,
(19:39):
it's a lot of noise.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Now.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
It was never like openly refuted as to like, you know,
we've got this grand plan with Dan Hurley. So I
was always being kind of fed parallel pieces of information
throughout the search and tried to put that as much
in my reporting. Yes, jj Redick, people everywhere on the
least of jj Rick was the front runner. No one,
(20:02):
you know, potentially outside of Adrian Rosnerowski knew about Dan
Hurley until we all knew about Dan Hurley.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (20:08):
That was kind of very quiet, and I think it
was a scenario where maybe both things were true. I
mean definitely people believed, I can tell you for sure.
People thought that this process began and would end with
Jjia Reddick. You know, six weeks ago there was a
huge curveball in the middle of it. And so I
(20:29):
guess like everybody was simultaneously right and wrong. Doug, how
this one played out? It is really bizarre.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
It is really bizarre.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
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Speaker 3 (20:43):
Okay, is the staff set by your estimation?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
No?
Speaker 10 (20:49):
Not fully said. I mean I think I can speak
to some of the names that I've heard, you know,
and reported throughout the process. I mean, I think they
want experience on the bench. Scott Brooks, Southern California native
Doug that you know well is a name that has
come up a lot in this process. The Hurger John
Rondo's name, you know, as a guy that I think
people view as being you know, really smart and and
(21:13):
and potential as a coach. Certainly you know, played with
Lebron James and Anthony Davis as well. And then and
then I think you add in the other factor in this.
You know, this is a guy like Jared Dudley. But look,
Jerre Dudley has a job, He has a good job.
Sam can sell as a player they like, he's got
a job, I'm sorry, a coach that they like, and
it is about probably to get promoted filling out of
(21:35):
staff is hard, but but I think experience and lockero
relatability will be the keys. You know, this as this process,
like you know, figuring out who's going to be with
you and who's going to do what It is so critical.
It's critical for everybody, especially critical for a first time
as coach.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
No question about it.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You got to have people know what you don't what
what you don't know, and empower them to do their job.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Dan Wiki is our guest. Kids in the background, smack
them around.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
To me on the Doug Gotlic Joe, Doug, I tell
pretty literally potty training this week. By the way, it's great,
great planning on our h and I could say that
my son dropped some real big news right before the nice.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Nice can I can I share you with you a
potty training story? I have them so when I love
when I was at ESPN. My my house when my
son was potty training, had a basement and then had
a playroom upstairs. So there's like three different levels. And
so they get to the point to where they can
go in the toilet. But the wiping part is you
(22:45):
don't want a two or two year old or three
year old piping right right, So they're not really self sufficient.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So you get the debt.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And it became like we got it, dude. So we
would tell our son, Hayes, okay to clap ten times. Okay,
clap ten times, and we'd come find you, and we'd
come we'd wipe your bottom.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
That's a horror movie.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
That sounds like a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
No, The problem is that the house was rather large,
a bit echoey, and you're doing something else and you
hear this and you're like, what bathroom is that in?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Somebody find that kid.
Speaker 10 (23:25):
Like the Conjuring, Doug. That's also the part of the movie,
the Conjuring. It's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I have not I have not seen The Conjuring, man.
Speaker 10 (23:31):
I had no idea people clapping, just the image of clapping,
and sure to find horror behind it. Yeah, it's a
real it's a real treat. But hey, lucky to be
able to do with my kids.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's fun, no question about it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So you said you're out the combine, okay, and Rich
Paul's telling people like, not a package deal, not a
package deal.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
All these coop these.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Guys clamoring for Brownie James, Uh, you talk to real people,
real gs. What what's the real feeling on Brownie the prospect?
Speaker 10 (24:06):
Well? Two things, right, I mean, I think you know,
we reported after the combine that despite like that messaging,
right like, there were teams that we're going to have
conversations and have meetings that say, like if we draft
Ronnie like, does this like does this make Lebron think
about it? Right?
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Like?
Speaker 10 (24:23):
And I think it's important to realize that it's like
the session that people out there like, oh, like they're
going to waste a draft pick. And I mean this
as respectfully that any player who gets drafted like thirty
five to forty draft picks functionally get wasted every draft,
right Like, the further away from number one you are,
historically speaking, the less likely you have a chance you
(24:44):
have to succeed. Now, that doesn't mean you should draft
me at that fifty one, because why not, you know?
But but I do think like some of the pearl
clutching over the notion of a team using a draft
pick for reasons other than potentially the prospect is now,
I do think that they've separated, to whatever extent they
can you know Bronnie James from his father's future destinations? Right?
(25:08):
Like the again the wild?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
But if they but if they do that, he has
what value? Does he really have?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
This?
Speaker 10 (25:15):
This is so so this would be the argument for
Brownie James. And this is an argument I've had some
talent and value talent evaluators make to me, right, which
is that his tremendous athlete. He plays the right way.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Not Okay, The first thing is he's not a tremendous athlete.
He's just can vertical. Yeah, but a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 10 (25:38):
Okay, So he plays like he has the sort of
wingspan and a vertical leap to make up for some
of his size deficiencies. The shot, the shot is a
work in progress, but he shot it really well in Chicago.
They shot it well in some workouts. And and then
I and then I think, like, honestly, like it's the
feeling as like, is he a player? This is the question,
(26:00):
And then that many teams are ask themselves. Is he
a player who's thinking like the things that he does well,
the extra pass like that, that type of stuff. Does
that play better around better players? And I think the
notion is right is like you're not drafting Brownie James.
You shouldn't be drafting Brownie James. They play basketball for
you next year. Like he's you know, I mean, he's
(26:20):
a second round pick, I think, or undrafted based on
everybody out, Doug. I don't know anybody who has the
first round greade on him. But you know, I I
think if you're picking fiftieth, you know that you look
at a player and you say, like, Okay, he wants
to play the right way. He wants to he wants
to do the things that quote unquote whenning basketball players do.
(26:41):
He's willing.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
You know.
Speaker 10 (26:42):
I think the thing he said, Doug, that was really smart,
the combine, that's like what he talked about, you know,
like Davion Mitchell, you know what I mean, and look cool.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, but here's here's the thing. Okay, let's okay, let's
let's do the Mitchell. Okay, let's do the da michellilor
like he is, David Mitchell win a national championship. His
nickname was off Night because everybody got okay to call
him Davion Mitchell is an affront to Davian Mitchell, who,
by the way, Davion Mitchell can't stay in the league
(27:11):
and he's an unbelievable defender.
Speaker 10 (27:14):
And second, he has a real job, right like, he
has one job. He doesn't have a night to night roll,
right like, because he's limited and what he's able to do.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I agree, he's a blend player you're not gonna with
And you're right, second round picks, there's a reason that
they're there, but there's.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
That's the argument.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Is that right?
Speaker 10 (27:30):
But you know he is that kind of a player,
and you know you can you're if you're going to
be drafting question marks in the mid forties to the
end of the to the end of the you know,
you look at your situation, you look at your developmental system,
and you say, do we think we can improve the shot?
Do we think that you know, this is a player
who will perform better with better teammates and stuff like
(27:52):
that in a better situation and sug Honestly, here's the
other part of it. Do we think that this is
just a kid who needs a little more time removed
from a heart attack? That's like I think he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He wasn't a dominant player before the heart attack. Correct,
you know, it's like it's like we're acting.
Speaker 10 (28:09):
Like he was a good player. Though he was a
good player, they.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Shouldn't have been McDonald's all American, like, let's not kid ourselves.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
But he had elevated him I mean, he had elevated
himself at least, especially if my understanding was like between
the summers of his junior and his senior season. And
you know this scene much better than I do. But
like that that he'd taken a real step.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
He did not translate. And I went to watch him
in high school basketball. He was just another guy in
high school basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I just I can't.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I mean, like, Looksen, you're talking about. The other second
round picks are guys like PJ. Hall and Kevin mccullor
and Pella Larson and Tristan Newton. Tristan, like Tristan Newton
went back to back national titles, is an elite defensive player,
an elite he's I mean, like that's who we're matching
up against. It's not it's it's is he all the
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things you're talking about? Yes, are all these guys missing something? Yes,
But he's missing so much I just can't. And then
you separate him from the idea of getting his father
along with it and there's just not a lot of
value there, you know.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
And and Doug, I mean, I think that is sort
of you know, I think you're I think you're right
and a lot of what you're saying, and I agree
with you. I mean I think that in the second round,
like you are, you're you're basically like what you're You're
doing two things right. You're drafting for the skills that
you love and the weakness is that you can accept, right, Like,
(29:33):
I mean, that's really yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And look, he wouldn't be.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
If he was six foot seven to write like, I mean,
here's like and he's not like. This was one thing
that Scott told Scott told me about him was like
in a Scott and I trust experience guy. It's like,
you know, obviously if if Brownnie is six foot five, like,
the conversations around Bronnie are very different. I think you
can look at a player that you know, Rich Paul
represented last year and Chris Livingston, you know who got
(29:58):
a guaranteed deal with Milwaukee Bob expect at the end
of the second round. Chris Livingston's NBA body is vastly
different than Brannie James's, but it wasn't like Chris Livingston
had an amazing season from college basketball despite you know,
entering as a five star prospect and all that stuff.
I mean, like, this isn't this is not the first
time some version of this has happened, where you look
(30:19):
at the situation, look at an opportunity, and you say,
and if it sounds like I'm arguing for Bronnie, it's
that's not it. I don't really know. I'm just telling
you the people that I some of the people that
I trust who like him, this is what they like
about him, right?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Is that last thing?
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You know the Clippers really really well, what has led
Paul George to have such a level of discontent.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
With the Clippers.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
I mean, I would think he'd want his contract, you know,
or would have wanted it, like, you know, a while ago.
And I think this is sort of one of the realities, Doug,
of the second apron and the fear of it and
the fear of the consequences of it. You know, where
if you invest heavily into players that you don't believe
(31:06):
or you don't know can can get you. I mean,
it's so prohibitive and what you can do in terms
of trades is so prohibitive and what you can do
in terms of the types of players you can sign,
the exceptions, you have access to all of that stuff.
And then I think, you know, the Clippers have a
ton of smart people working in the organization. You know,
you look around and you see the teams and the
way teams are built and like that that's you know,
(31:29):
one hundred and fifty million to three players has not
been a viable pathway. You know, you've got to kind
of if you're going to like go outside your organization
for these sets of stars. The way the clip the
Clippers have had to like, that's not a viable way forwards.
It hasn't worked for anyone, you know, really, so I
(31:49):
think that the clippers hesitation on that front has opened
the door to speculation. And look, he is going to
be heavily thought after and free agency, you know, despite
his limitations, because this is a bad free agency, you know,
it really is. And I think Paul George, by the way,
is the kind of guy you know, you talk about
(32:10):
wanting to do things the right way and different things
like that. I mean, Paul George plays the right way
when he's on the court. You'd like to see him
play with more fire, I think, but but look, people
are who they are. He has the skill. Doug is
I watched these playoffs like one of the things like obviously, right,
it's complicated team building, but in some ways it's really simple. It's,
(32:31):
you know, dribble, pass, shoot, defend and be big like
is really like a good and that's what Boston did excellently,
Like they do all of those things. Paul George does
a lot of those things, and I think he's I mean,
he's a fantastic tough shot maker. You saw that, you
know against Dallas at times, but obviously not the guy
(32:53):
that I think. You know, if you were looking at
the Clippers and saying like, okay, well we need Kawhi
Leonard to we know Kawhi Leonard win US finals games, right,
because that's happened before. If you're picking secondary people, like
maybe maybe you just want to change it up and
maybe you think James Harden's durability during the regular season
matters more than Paul George's.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
S Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's
the voice of Dan Wiki. Uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna
sneak in one more even though I were I love
a dog.
Speaker 10 (33:21):
I got time, Doug Dry Dry we got time.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
I'm getting the wave off from from from Jason Stewart.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, we gotta go, guys.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Thanks all right, Dan, we have to we have to
do it again. Makes you go get Logan, go hook
him up. Tell me he's the best, big boy, big girl.
Bet is the next, is next? Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (33:40):
Thanks Doug, appreciate you.
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Sunny Green Bay. That was a real sunset picture on
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Speaker 3 (34:05):
Real.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
No, there were literally no filters at all. Speaking of
no filters, let's get you to Monsey Blania's with the press,
the press. What do you have there, Monty Blanos, well.
Speaker 11 (34:24):
A Doug Gottlieb head coach of Wisconsin University Men's basketball, green.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Bay, Green Bay, Green great guard sitt They going, Hey,
what did I lose my job?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Green Bay, Green Bay?
Speaker 11 (34:37):
So the big story today, JJ Reddick agreed on a
four year contract.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I mean, you're hiring guys and coaches, just analysts. Who
are these idiots making these.
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Oh well, the idiots might be Rob Polinka, right, and
Jeanie Buss. But if you're wondering when this all started,
According to The Athletic, they first met with JJ Reddick
May thirteenth at the NBA Draft combine in Chicago. That
was the first time that they spoke for apparently two hours,
Rob Polinka and JJ Reddick. Then they met again at
(35:07):
the Lakers facility June fifteenth, and he met with Palenka,
he met with Jeanie, the Buses, the remaining you know,
Joey and Jesse and all the stakeholders in the organization.
Speaker 11 (35:17):
So that's kind of when this all started. Four years
apparently eight million according to The Athletic.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
The four years is a big thing because you know,
remember they didn't get Tyler because they only offered him
three years. They wanted to be a three year thing.
They offered six for seventy to to Dan Hurley. I
reported six for seventy, So yeah, I mean, he not
turned down that deal. But I also think that the
story earlier today about him potentially being a candidate in Detroit.
(35:44):
That's just leverage to get this thing done, which it
got done today.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Right right.
Speaker 11 (35:48):
And other NBA news. You know, we know that Lakers
are now with JJ Reddick as our head coach, probably
going to keep Lebron James. The question mark is around
Bronni James.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But Paul Jory or.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
Who we don't know what he is going to do
with this future. Said this about Brownie on his podcast, What's.
Speaker 13 (36:05):
Most impressive is just his his basketball sappiness, like his basketball,
like you like he can do it all, Like I don't.
I feel like he hasn't shown that he can really
be elite at a lot of things, But I think
he can be elite at a lot of things. Like
I feel like he's like in that Derek White, And
it was interesting that that's his comparisons that he wants
(36:27):
to be like or coming out look like. But I
compare him to like the Drew Holliday, the Derek White's
like guys that are glue, guys that can go do
everything on the floor and help you win.
Speaker 11 (36:38):
After Derek White's performance turing the playoffs, that's a big.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
It's not he can do a lot of things elite,
he just hasn't shown it. When ha is he shown it?
Speaker 9 (36:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Like, again, I'm not I'm not trying to be a
jerk here.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I'm just telling you I've gone to his high school
basketball games and if his last name wasn't James, he's
just a nice player.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
We went college conversation like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And I like, what is Paul George supposed to say there?
There's a lot of things he can do elite. How
about doing.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Any of them?
Speaker 8 (37:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
If he was, if he was a lockdown defender the
likes of which people are making him out to be,
don't you think Andy Enfeld would have played him more?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
When he did, when he was forced to play him
more because of injuries, they couldn't win in the Pac twelve,
which was a down conference.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So I like, what are we doing? We have to
stop this.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
All right quickly here, Doug.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
The NCAA has presented a planted Division one to maybe
expand the basketball tournament from March Madness for maybe eight teams.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I disagree with this, even though
I want my I want my conferences arising to get
multiple bids in there. But I mean this is being
done to get more high major teams into the tournament
because they feel like that's the only way to keep everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
In in the NCAA. That's the reality, dude, and.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
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