June 25, 2024 • 42 mins
Thoughts on the Panthers game 7 win over the Oilers in the Stanley Cup Final
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be making us part
of your day. Thanks so much time. Doug Gotlieb in
for Colin Coward. We got a great second hour of
the show. We'll talk to NBA with our insider Mark Medina,
the funky Gold Medina. We got more herdline news and
why I don't think Lebron James has any real friends Westen. Sure,
(00:53):
I'll explain that here up for forty five minutes. But
let let's start with what we saw last night. What
we saw last night was the NHL Super Bowl. The moment. Now,
I didn't have overtime, because you know, you always get guy,
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nothing better than overtime hockey like eh. But still game
seven and it had been I think seventy three years
since we had a comeback from three games to none down,
but still like historical type of potential comeback with Edmonton
fighting off elimination three consecutive times, forcing a game seven
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and ultimately you have a Panther's victory to one win
in a best of seven series. And I was just
struck by the fact that here the NHL is and
I think that was the most I've watched a hockey
game since nineteen ninety three. I tell you so damn
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it long ago? Is that thirty one years ago? Guys?
That is thirty one years ago. And here's how I
know that nineteen ninety three means something if you were
from southern California. Jason Stewart's from breat California, from Orange
and went to high school in Tustin. But we're oc guys.
(02:20):
Nineteen ninety three, Jay stew coincided with what.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Wow, so many things happened in nineteen ninety three. It
was a crazy time to live in LA But one
of the things that happened was that hockey became very
relevant in a city that largely didn't care about hockey,
and that was because of Wayne Gretzky leading the Kings
to the Sane Cup.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Finals correct. And I mean, like listen, I have no
recall over anything hockey except game one Marty mcsorily curvestick correct,
which it was one of those. I was, however, many
days old at that point in time when I learned
that you couldn't have there was a a proper and
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an improper way to have a curve stick in hockey.
It made total sense, but I just didn't even know
and didn't know they would check it during the Stanley
Cup finals, but they did. That's the last time I
watched that much hockey. But you know what I didn't
hear from hockey guy yesterday and today. Now. Part of
it is I'm not gonna sit here and try and
break down the hockey match and the rotations, and boy
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that that that final unit for you know, the final
unit there for the Oilers. They were really gassed. Yeah,
you know, they were gassed. Like, no, I don't know enough,
so I don't speak on things that I don't know.
I was entertained. It was exciting, you know, and then
of course you have a two to one lead. There
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was a there was a moment in time there like
two minutes ago where Edmonton had a shot, had a
shot on goal. I couldn't and there's just bodies upon
bodies in front of in front of the net, and
you're like, well that was it. That was the last shot.
So it was exciting. But I didn't even from hockey
guy the bitterness you hear in the WNBA, like you
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didn't pay attention to us the last twenty five years.
We didn't care. And what happens is and I don't think.
I don't know if it's because of women's sports or
the way in which women's sports have been treated. I
think that's kind of what it is. Like there's an
amountain of entitlement because I do think that broadcast networks,
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most specifically ESPN, has done a great job of treating
women's sports as something much greater than they actually are
in terms of the ratings. Right, this isn't show friends,
this is show business. Sports have come and gone from
National TV Fox. Remember remember they used to have the
NHL and they were the ones that had that. It
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was like the glow stick thing. You had the tracer
on the puck so you could see where the puck
is and look, there was a logic to it. They
asked people like what holds you back from watching hockey
like I can't. I don't know where the puck is,
so like, okay, problem solved. We'll put a little tracer
on the truck, just like you have the tracer on
the on the golf ball and people and hockey guy
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hated it, and the rest of us are like, I
kind of like that. I could actually see where the
puck is. Point is that there's this level of entitlement
with the WNBA that has dragged down even this incredible story, right,
make no mistake about it. Caitlin Clark making the WNBA
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watchable is a parallel to Zion Williamson when he was
a dukeyep making making duke likable to everybody, like I
can't believe. I mean this weekend when Chicago played the
Fever and I'll grant you there's nothing else on, but
you always used to watch baseball, and now at least
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two and a half million of you were like, you
know what, I'll watch Caitlin Clark, you're in Chicago. Why not?
It's an unbelievable story. But what are we caught up in? Well,
you didn't cover us for twenty sixteen years because nobody cared.
Why does she get a shoe deal in this woman
doesn't get it because she's popular. That's why, that's why
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she should be on the Olympic team. I said this
today was announced that there was that she wasn't on
the Olympic team. The women's Olympic team is far more
dominant than the men. They've won the last seven Olympic
gold medals. Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know why because you don't watch the women play
in the Olympics. She brings attention to a great story instead.
Now you're sitting there going like, why would I watch?
You know they're gonna win. They clearly don't like her,
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and all she's doing is help grow the game, like
why would why would I watch?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Not once in the last forty eight hours as people
started to talk about hockey that never talk about hockey,
Not one single time was there a way in which
we were made to feel bad about not paying attention
to hockey. At least I wasn't. But every time I
turn on a WNBA game, I'm made to feel bad
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that you missed this last twenty six years twenty seven
Like I don't, I didn't miss anything. I didn't care
until now I care and now I watch. You don't
need to lecture me on what happened previously, you know,
I don't need. I mean, everybody knows. We like you
go into a you go if you're gonna watch Dune,
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you know, and you didn't watch Doune one, and you're
watching Dune two unless you ask, you don't need somebody
to go like, well, I'll see what happened in Dune
one was I didn't care about Done one. I'm watching
Doune too now. It is helpful to watch Doon one
before you watch June too. Just like again, little Fyi,
I've actually watched both. I haven't read. I haven't read
the books. Nothing is annoying as I read the book. Guy,
(08:06):
Oh this is different than the book. Sorry man, this
is not the book, this is the movie. But am
I wrong? Jason? You especially, you know, why can't I
just appreciate the sport that I'm watching for the sport
that I'm watching, and not be told and not be
lectured about how, oh my gosh, you guys missed it.
The last five years have been incredible, Like I just don't.
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I don't care. And we're, for whatever reason, we're made
to feel bad about even saying I didn't care.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Now because she's brought attention to the league.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I mean, we talk about this all the time on
the Doug Gottlieb Show, airing three pm Eastern across the network,
that hockey not unlike the UFL. Remember a couple of
weeks ago, the UFL had the championship game, and I'm sure,
I'm sure it was watched by some people. But what
we appreciated about the UFL was that it happened. We
didn't watch it, we didn't care about it, and no
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one made us feel bad about not watching it. No
one was calling us a racist for not watching it.
No one was calling us a sexist for not watching that.
It was just a sport that knows its niche a cousin,
knows its place in the world. And the WNBA, for
whatever reason, comes with all this guilt. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure why that is. I guess you said
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it's a sense of entitlement.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I don't feel any guilt about it. It Actually I
agree with you. It's like, if people want to make
you feel guilty, I want to make you feel like
you're a sexist I'm not a sexist. I just and
I love basketball. I just have never really gotten into
the WNBA. I'm not and again and then the other
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parts too. It is then we start to cover it
and we understand it's very very unique. You know, for example,
the woman who fouled Caitlin Clark from Chicago right hip
checked her. She's dating one of the teammates of Caitlin
Clark with the fever.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Check that the guard from the Connecticut team, was it
Dejian Dejana something or another is dating Melissa Smith who
was a Caitlin Clark's teammate.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Okay, my bad, so it wasn't the one who fouled her.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Heart of WNBA occurrences.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And sorry, this is why I don't get into WNBA
talk because I don't really know what I'm talking about.
But something I have known because I have friends that
have been head coaches in the WNBA, and they've told me, like,
look like, once you get under the hood, like this
league is very very different from any other league because
you do you have women dating teammates, dating opponents, and
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then they break up. And then of course you have
straight women and you have heterosexual women and they they
don't always form a great team, Like there's a lot
to it, and we consider and go, well, we want
you want us to cover us your way, like or
we want to cover what's interesting Caitlin Clark's interesting. I
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think that dynamic of it is interesting, just is. But
there's the the uh, the basketball shaming of the w NBA.
It pushes me away, you know, pushes me away. Look,
I feel bad. I didn't like fish when I was
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a kid. But I realized I didn't like fish when
I was a kid. It was part of it was
the way my mom made it. Did anybody like fishing
they're a kid like my kids, like I don't like fish,
Like what do we have to do tonight's making fish?
Like oh gosh, oh oh really, Oh, don't worry. I
poached the salmon, Like oh this just who told you
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that was a good idea? Like the fact that my
mom I lived under my mom's roof, what was it
eighteen years and not one time did she go like, hey,
I'm gonna put a little molasses on it and cook
it on the grill, because I would have gotten down
with some salmon. Then instead she poaching like, uh, I
mean brussels sprouts. Brust. If your mom told you she
was making Brussels sprouts, you knew two things. One, it
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was gonna be a tough dinner. In two your your
house was gonna smell like somebody, well, somebody couldn't stop farting. Now,
my kids asked for Brussels sprouts. Now, a good portion
of it is that I make it in the oven.
I'm pretty awesome at it. Right where I get the uh,
olive oil on it. I don't do the balsamic glaze.
I just do olive oil. Cot them up really thin
(12:37):
pieces olive oil on a cookie sheet with some aluminum foil,
and then throw some salt, little pepper, maybe a little
lemon brown it. My children ask for Brussels sprouts. I mean,
Brussels sprouts is the greatest culinary turnaround in the history
of culinary turnarounds. But the fact is that, I mean,
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I don't feel bad about the fact that I went
forty years without understanding Brussel spouts could be an edible thing.
And somehow with the WNBA, I'm just told I'm a
bad person. And yeah, there's all these other things that
you get labeled because I didn't watch it. I didn't
like it. I didn't follow it. I didn't and now
(13:23):
I do. Now I like it a lot. So that's
I watched last night. I watched more hockey than I
have watched in years, and I still didn't really know
the players, didn't really understand a lot of the substitutions
and rotations or any other thing. I was just entertained.
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So high level sport, high intensity. Everything was magnified, the
crowd was intense. And the best celebration in sports, without
any question, is when you win the Stanley Cup and
everybody gets a chance to skate around with the Santa Cup.
Like now that I've watched many a year, which is
just tell me when it's over and I'll flip it
on because I want to see these guys skate with
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the cup, Like how cool?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Very cool? I'm Doug gollibe in for Colin Cowherd. Is
anyone gonna have a real conversation with lebron about Bronnie?
We'll try next in.
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to tomorrow night's NBA Draft. Plus, we're reacting to yesterday's
Laker press conference where JJ Redick was officially announced as
new head coach. The Forum Blue and Gold. Mark Medini
will join us momentarily. I will respond to some of
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the Well, I'll lay out for you the story of
I guess it's is it me versus the even a Smith?
Is that? What that is? Me versus Steven a Smith.
We'll do that. I'm coming in about twenty five minutes.
In the meantime, let's welcome in Mark Medina. We call
him the Funky Cole Madina on the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. In the Herd and Mark,
(15:15):
what are your thoughts on JJ's press conference yesterday?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Yeah, Well, in regards to JJ's f bombs, I think
my laugh was pretty loud. I found it amusing. I
think after the fact, I wondered wasn't really necessary. But
besides that, I thought that he wanted the press conference.
He hit on all the right notes and conceding the
challenges ahead of him, but embracing the fact that he's
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got to be innovative, acknowledging the fact that he has
no head coaching experience. But he's going to lean on
the work ethic relationship equity, you know, mentors with Mike
Krzyzewski most notably, to overcome that. But you know, the
reality is going to be in the results, and the
Lakers have a lot of different buckets of objectives that
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are you know, pretty challenging when you're looking at trying
to maximize Lebron James's remaining nears, making Anthony Davis become
more of the focal point developing role players. Yeah, it's
it's gonna be a pretty interesting dynamic, to say the least.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I think it'll be a fascinating, fascinating dynamic. H
let me let me ask you this. Uh, I agree
with you on the F bombs. I like the idea
of and I said this at my press conference, right
there's and he kind of alluded to this, there's nothing
you can really say at a press conference that's going
to prove to people you can coach and sound like
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I can get out of the whiteboard and be like Okay,
So here's what we're gonna do. Okay, We're gonna run
pistol action and then like, this is where we're gonna
put Lebron and here's where we're gonna put Anthony Davis.
Like people like, that's not the point, okay. So I
love the idea of you can't care what people think
that you want the job, that you go forward doing
the job. What about the staffing the staffing plan right,
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because apparently it's one of the things that turned Danny
Hurley off was that they wanted to plan his staff
for him. They didn't do it with Darvin Hamm and
that was, by all accounts, an abject disaster. What is
the staffing plan with the Lakers?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Yeah, well, JJ Riddick and Rop Lincoln didn't get it
into names, but they said it's about getting experienced head
coaches around them so that he can use them as
a sounding board. And to your point, it's not surprising
that Dan Early did not like that. Ty Lude didn't
like that arrangement either. Frank Vogel was okay with it
when they had Jason kidd But you know, it is
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an interesting era because usually head coaches had complete and
full autonomy historically on how to assemble their coaching staffs,
and front office would say, hey, whatever systance you want,
we'll just evaluate you all on the results. But in
this modern era, front offices want to have input almost
as a way to you know, fulfill what their vision
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of success is. But I think regardless with j Roddick,
the fact that he hasn't been a head coach, it's
obvious that he'll need you know, veteran assistance around him.
I think the challenging part here, Doug is you know
very well is you know, finding the right of a
veteran assistant coaches, but that don't also have aspirations to
be head coaches. Because if there if there is a
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candidate that has that, there is always the politic you of, Okay,
is this head coach have my best interests? Or is
he inevitably just going to be replacing me when things
don't go well? But I think you know that idea
obviously works in theory. Now we'll see how they execute it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
No, I listened, so I I actually I understand what
you're saying. I actually disagree on some level with that idea.
First thing is whoever you hire the number one trait
they have to have is loyalty. Mm are there any
fissures within it? Like when and you know this from
what you do. Mark Ridine is our guest, by the way,
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he's our NBA insider from Fox Sports Radio. Like the
way we get all this chatter from coaches is coach like.
Coaches like to bs on the phone and talk and
if they're talking about their own coach or their own
you know, their own staff, like, that's a dysfunctional unit.
So the first thing is you got to have loyalty.
I actually want guys that want to be head coaches,
right because one of the problems with hiring former head
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coaches is I'm not saying they're lazy, but they've had
things done for them that now they have to do,
and it's a really hard backpedal to get into. You know,
if you've been a head coach, like you're not used
to grinding and doing whatever the head coach wants, that's
a really difficult thing to do, Whereas if you've been
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an assistant coach, it's a lot easier for you to
transition to being an assistant coach. So there's a kind
of a healthy sort of mix there right that you
want guys with head coaching experiences, but you want them
still to be driven like back when they were an
assistant an assistant coach, you don'tant a guy who just
I'm gonna give you advice, but I'm going to mail
it in in terms of the day to day because
you're constantly at the NBA level, you're constantly managing all
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of these personalities while you know they have and the
Lakers are a very streamline organization as you know, like
they don't have a deep advanced scouting analytics sort of division.
They don't and they don't have an assistant GM, they
don't have lots of the layers other people have. So
you've got to do that. You're you've got to have
a staff that does all the things that you don't do.
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And I think it's going to be interesting to see
who they choose from because they did not choose well
at times with some of these previous stabs, and sometimes
they have and there's not a huge pool of people
at this late late a day and time.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah, Doug, I mean, you outline the fascinating angle to it,
and it really illustrates kind of the gray area in
the wiggle room with how they maneuver with finding the
right coaching staff. And I think to your point about
with Dan Early of him way and autonomy, that's where
another gray area is in play, where you know, if
there's not prior relationships with a previous person and the
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front office is saying, well, hey, how about this guy,
how about that guy, That's where some of that trust
isn't always there.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But I mean, look at you look no different than Phoenix.
Yay Phoenix, that Frank Vogel have autonomy with one exception
Kevin Young, And that was a complete poop show, right
because you had Frank was trusted him to run the
offense and he's let others run the offense. But there
is this and this is what you're talking about. Kevin
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wanted the job, almost got the job, they paid him
more than any insist in the NBA to not get
the job and being and it didn't work. And Katie
never liked the offense, and Book liked the offense, but
Frank Vogel was a little tentative about coaching him because
he felt like he was playing for Kevin Young, like
that doesn't work, doesn't So it's a really interesting one.
The thing he has going for him is there's obviously
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a connection with Lebron James. Did anyone in that room
believe that they didn't talk about the job until after he.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Took the job, Well, Doug tay mean as naive, but
I actually do believe it. But I only believe it
because it's to the letter of the law. You know,
where Rob Plinka is saying Lebron was supportive but wasn't
heavily involved in the coaching search. I believe that, but
just from the literal letter of the law. Same thing
with JJ Reddick saying we didn't talk during the coaching search.
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But no doubt Lebron James has an influence merely because
he exists number one and also number two. They know
his temperature based off of his actions, what his relationships
are with JJ Reddicks. They have a podcast as well
as you know his social media activity and the messages
that he sends out there, so he doesn't have to
have direct conversations and lay it out bluntly with either person.
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But Rob Polink and JJ Reddick fully know well how
Lebron James feels about this. I think what was also
fascinating is that Roblink was mentioned that Andy Davis was
heavily involved here, and I think that that is notable
for two reasons. One, JJ Reddick was hot lighting the
idea that they wanted him to become what he called
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more of a hub type of center, where you know,
there's more of a mobility of being a stretch five
as opposed to back to the basket big. But the
other thing is they're really trying to pave the way
for Anthony Davis to become the leader of the team.
And you know, in fairness, Lebron's been saying this from
day one, but it's been Lebron's team. But now that
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he's entering the final years of his career, presuming that
he opts out and signs a new deal, it's very
much an emphasis to try to make it so that
there is a somewhat seamless pass into Baton. But again,
that sounds good in theory but harder to execute in reality.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Okay, so who do they add? Because you're not you're
not getting rid of Boston Reeves. You got those three.
What's the plan on who they add?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah? Well, I take what Rob Polinka plan it as
a real Talian sign and that it seems like they're
going to use these draft picks to hold on than
to actually pull off a trade, and it's about as
flawed as their roster is. Try to hope that there's
enough marginal improvement as well as enough marginal improvement with
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JJ Reddick's knowledge of the game, I mean, for all
his inexperience, that might be a challenge. One thing that
they're very confident on is that he can make better
in game adjustment and manage rotations better than what Darvin
hand did. But that sounds nice, but again we're talking
about the Lakers. We're talking about Lebron James. He still
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wants to feel like he has some chance, no matter
how slim, to compete for a title. So these marginal improvements,
it's great, but you know, it's nothing. It's not going
to make any greater difference than you're a competitive playoff
team that could be a roadbump in the first round.
So that's the fascinating part with this franchise, and they
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never ceased to be interesting with the.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Are they going to draft Ronnie?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
I think they will, Doug, but I think it's more
going to be because of circumstance and convenience than any
plan about trying to appease Lebron or any fascination with
Brownie's game. I think they're going to draft him because
they have the fifty fifth pick, and he'll be available,
and he'll mostly spend his time in the G League.
But you know, Doug, you and I have talked on
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your radio show that this idea that teams, whether it's
the Lakers or other teams that are drafting Bronny with
the hopes that this means Lebron definitely either stays with
the Lakers or goes elsewhere, is just a foolish argument.
The expectations Lebron's staying with the Lakers and Bronnie, you know,
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he's a nice team guy and plays the right way,
but he doesn't have a definitive skill set and isn't
expected to be drafted at all, and if so, it's
late second round. So I think with all that the
Lakers will draft him, but it's not because of kind
of the larger forces.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Boy, you're the best, Mark. I love, love your insight
and input. Thanks so much for joining us here in the.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Hurt, Doug, appreciate you and right back at it, Chef All.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Right, let's get you to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
No, no t This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Always good to have Mark Medina. There plenty of NBA discussion.
We'll have some more coming up in a bit, but
let's start right now with some NFL. The Eagles made
a big move and a somewhat surprising move for those
who are fans of NFC East Football, when they were
able to land Sakuon Barkley this off season, bringing him
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into the fold, trying to bring some extra firepower to
that Philadelphia offense. And let's just say it came as
a bit of a surprise, even to one of their
veteran players, Lane Johnson. Here's what he had to say
about Saquon Barkley. He's ultra competitive and you see what
he can do at the running back position, and we
can flex him out your receiver, he can go. It's unbelievable.
(27:05):
I never thought that he would be playing for us,
but here it is. I know that he's excited. We're
definitely excited. Up front.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
I think he's poised for a big, big year.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You buy that?
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Do I buy? Which part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
That he's poise for a big big year?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
I actually do think he could be quite productive. I
know the age old tale about running backs and when
they get later in their career start to lose some
of the tread off those tires. But I think for
Saquon he's it's not as if he's incredibly old. I
think he's still in his late twenties at this point,
and this will be far and away perhaps the most
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balanced team he's ever been a part of as a professional.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, I'm encouraged to see what Saquon has. I think
he'll have a better year than maybe even Derrick Henry.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
As by the way, so yeah, still in this way, how.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Is Derrick Henry? Is he thirty yet? Is he twenty nine?
I mean, usually you get to this year and obviously
he had one knee injury.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Hunh, go ahead, I'm looking Utterrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Usually you get to this point in time, you had
one year and you're like, you know, you get one
kind of good year left and then what you lack
when you're an older running back and.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Derrick Henry is thirty by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think Saquan's gonna have a good year. I do now.
Derrick Henry keeps himself an incredible physical condition, but just
a pounding a man of that size amount of times
he's carried the football, I don't see it as much,
although you know, Baltimore has made very average running backs
into outstanding backs. Don't like it doesn't catch it out
of the backfield. But I think Saquon's gonna have a
(28:49):
good year, no question.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yeah, I think obviously the thing that Sakuon can also
do that's different than Derrick Henry is catch the ball
out of the backfield, which you know, we'll see exactly
how this saul fits in Kellen Moore's new offense, who
will be first year with the Philadelphia Eagles. So yeah,
I mean I'm I'm high on it. Also considering sort of,
(29:12):
I know they had a down year in their struggles
at times last season with the Eagles, but I mean
they have two great offensive wide receivers. Dallas Goddard's a
good tight end. It's just going to be the first
time in Saque's career that people aren't going to be
solely focused on loading up the box and stopping him.
(29:34):
And so I think even if he's not quite in
terms of explosiveness or elusiveness what he was, you know,
in his second or third year in the league. I
think it'll still be incredibly productive, even though he may
not get the whole like three hundred and fifty touches
on the season. Maybe dial it back a little, a
little bit more by committee, but still very productive.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Nonetheless.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Agree.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
All right, let's turn our attention here where we had
Russ Tucker in for Dan Patrick this morning, and he
had a few things to say about JJ Reddick's introductories
prep conference. Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
The one thing he did say, yes, Shaita, we didn't
talk about, he's done with the media stuff. So like
our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio, Doug Gottlieb is
still doing the afternoon show while he's a Division one
head coach at Wisconsin Green Bay. Whereas JJ Reddick said
he's done, he's I think he used the word excommunicated
(30:33):
from the podcast business.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He's done doing that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Which I think was obviously the right move.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Right like that, that would have been a really bad look.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I don't know why would have been a bad look.
I mean, I guess his thing is he was doing
it with Lebron James. I think that would have been
unbelievable insight. But listen. You know, JJ hasn't coached before.
I think JJ probably wants to summer league here so
he gets kind of a feel for calling timeouts and
how it all feels and all those other things I've
I've done all of that. They're different jobs, even though
(31:11):
the same sport technically. And you know what I didn't
like was the other comment about what is that I
was in the Is it the something mining business?
Speaker 8 (31:19):
What was it the engagement farming industry or something?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, we'll get to that next the next hour, right
that that came across as classic Douchie arrogance, which which
JJ has nailed at sometimes. But in regards to not
doing the podcast, Okay, I'm gonna do it, he's not
gonna do They played eighty two games, we played thirty.
We have a much longer off season, and again, my schedule,
(31:48):
you know, the only things it potentially conflicts with is
not my practice times, is other things that I need
to do in life or for or for the business
of Uwgreen. But so far it's worked for me. I
can't speak to anybody else fair enough. I'm like, I'm excited.
I'm excited I get to It's like all the parts
(32:09):
of my brain get to fire every morning, and they're
firing better, not worse, since taken on this job.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Love it, Love that you are always willing to embrace
the challenge. And we'll finish up with this sticking in
the NBA. Paul George might be the most interesting man
in the NBA world as we're approaching the start of
free agency. What once felt like a foregone conclusion that
he would re sign with the Clippers, well that may
no longer be the case. Here is NBA insider Mark
(32:35):
Stein on his podcast with Christaine's This League Uncut.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
Paul George's future That to me really is headline number
one in this league. And there's a lot of talk
that the prospect of Paul George just accepting his player
option for next season and forcing a trade that has
become an increasingly realistic possibility.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
It's fascinating because he also has said he doesn't like
the way. Really he's alluded to not liking the way
the Clippers play, and the Clippers do run a lot
of ISOs and try and buy mismatches. There's been talked
about Oklahoma City. Does that make the most sense? Probably
does to get some of those picks back and some
personnel back. But you know there's there's also the if
you're the Clippers, you don't have to trade him, you know, like, hey, dude,
(33:27):
we built this whole thing around you and Kawhi Leonard
and we don't have to trade you. But that's definitely
the name that everybody's talking about in the postseason. And
that's Ray Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
News all right. Coming up next in The Herd, Steven A.
Smith said something recently that I just it ticked me off,
and I'll any doubled down on it then tell you
what it is next and the hurt.
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When I've Doug Allibin for Collins, Sir, Fox Sports Radio,
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about it. We both we became friends in two thousand
and three when we were both hired at ESPN by
a former boss of ours. And I don't hold any
(35:10):
your will towards the place. I was there on campus
for nine years total, ten years working at ESPN, had
a great time, made unbelievable friends, great relationship. As a
matter of fact, many of my relationships at Fox Sports
and Fox Sports Radio are former ESPN guys who we
all worked to get together and then we moved over.
You know, I stopped at CBS along along the way.
(35:33):
But there was there was something that stephen A said
last week that really really bothered me. And you know,
let me let me just play it for you and
then let's kind of talk it out. This is This
Morning on ESPN, Stephen A double down on his original
comments that he had heard from a lot of black
coaches about Lebron doing a podcast with JJ Reddick. Well,
(35:55):
Darvin Ham had the job with the Lakers.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
Black coaches called the black commentator to complain about a
black superstar doing a podcast while his black head coach
was on the hot seat before he ultimately lost the
damn job.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
What does that have to do with white folks?
Speaker 10 (36:16):
Some things that none of your damn business.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
There was a black on black thing, but you got
other folks who will remain nameless, working with with for
other networks, with their relevant ass selves.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Popping their junk. Okay.
Speaker 12 (36:30):
And the fact of the matter is it has absolutely
positively nothing to.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Do with that. It doesn't Okay. JJ ready, by the way,
is now a white coach. Why are we making this
into a racial thing. I mean again, let's just remember
what Stephen A is doing. Okay. He made his rise
okay as an incredible orator and his role as a
(36:55):
TV character. Okay, because he's not a journalist. No matter
what he says, he's not a journalis there's no journalistic
integrity in many of the things that he does in
comments on he he's a commentator in he's a he's
a fire starter, he's a personality. Okay, he's a provocateur.
He originally was the angry black man. That was the
(37:17):
role he played, angry black man. And and now it's
the Hey, this is a black thing, by the way,
that's racially divisive. Hey, the only one making the JJ
Reddick podcast or hire about him being white is in
fact Stephen A. Smith. And when you say, hey, black
(37:37):
coaches called me about it, what did you say. I mean,
here's the real problem with Stephen A. Smith that we
want to get down to it. He doesn't work hard.
He doesn't I'll let you in on the secret that
everyone in the media knows. Nobody will say it. I
will because I don't care. I'm past the point of
(37:57):
what was it that JJ said yesterday? I'm past that point.
I don't have to. I don't have to. I don't
need a job from him. I don't need him to
grace me and bless me and say he doesn't Hey,
that's why his radio show radio is work. You got
to know what's going on. You've got to be a
depth you can't show up five minutes before and go
like a let's just do it. Turn on. And that's
(38:19):
why some dudes take calls so they can hide what
they that they haven't done the work. It's okay. And
when I say that, I mean that in the Christops Persingis,
for example, when he crushed the Knicks for drafting Christops Persingis.
My issue with him at the time was christophs Perzingis
had come to the United States and worked out in
New York City. He was working in New York City
(38:39):
at the time. All you got to do is hop
in a cab or have a car service, roll over there,
watch the workout. Talk to anybody in the NBA, and
they were like that dog will hunt, he stays healthy,
he's gonna be a star. But instead he crushed it
because he'd never seen him like, Look, I've made mistakes
in draft evaluations, but it's players that I've seen, I've
talked to, I've evaluated they And what he's doing now
(39:04):
is he's he's doing the He's making the JJ Reddick higher.
He's making Lebron James into a sellout. That's what he's doing.
He's making Lebron James into a sellout. That's the black
conversation that I'm not allowed to have because I'm a
white man, I'm a white coach. I'm the irrelevant. Well
(39:25):
if I'm irrelevant, then what does it bother you? Because
I'm right, I know what I'm talking about. Yes, there's
going to be coaches that are mad that JJ got
a job and he wasn't an assistant coach before and
he was just on TV. You know Doc Rivers did
the same thing. You know Mark Jackson did the same thing.
You know Steve Kurr did the same thing. You know
(39:46):
Jason Kidd did the same thing. There's no mention of
any of that. Hey, Yes, you're allowed to be friends
with white people. If you're a black superstar, you're allowed
to be friends with black people. If you're a white superstar,
and if you're black, you're allowed to be friends with
black people and white you're allowed to be friends of
white people because basketball people are usually friends with basketball people.
And what Lebron James is attracted to with JJ Reddick
(40:07):
is what is what Darvin Ham didn't have? Hey did
has Steven A ever mentioned that Darvinham was late to
his own meetings? No, that would actually be doing his job.
Do your job. Your job is to actually report and
provide insight analysis, not just be a provocateur. Otherwise you're
(40:27):
commenting on something you don't even know about. And if
you're Steven A. Smith and I know this because everyone
knows how powerful he is in media. If he picks
up the phone and calls somebody, they will either answer
or call him back, and most times they'll tell him
what the real reel is.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Why was Lebron out on Darvin Ham because he wasn't prepared.
He'd show up doing lake to his own meetings. He
didn't draw up plays. He was just a let's go
play hard coach. That's what he was coach. Are we
going over or under? They always played in the drop,
going over on a drop you choose, just get it done.
(41:04):
That's not how Lebron. Lebron James is brilliant as a
basketball mind. He is brilliant. And the thing about brilliant
people is they don't have time for people who aren't brilliant.
And it has nothing to do with the color of
Darvin Ham's skin. Lebron james favorite coach is ty Loo
and they didn't get him because the Lakers only offered
him a three year deal and he's under contract right now.
(41:27):
And TYLERU is not brilliant because he's black or because
he's a form. He's brilliant because he's brilliant. Tyler's an
awesome coach. Hey, he does some really unique things. So
is Rick Carlisle. Again, Remember you're like, well, their skin
color shages because nobody in basketball actually cares. The only
person making it about race is Steven A. Smith. And
(41:49):
this is what I've said previously, and I mean it.
I think it's evil, Okay, I think it's divisive. And
and JJ talked about what was it farming, not interest farming,
but all of.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
The engagement farming and engagement farming.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Engagement farming. Hey, this is farming racial divisiveness and making
it into something that it's not and using it to
propel yourself for twenty plus million dollars in the media industry.
That's gross. Sorry, it's gross to me because it's not real.
(42:34):
It doesn't happen. And yeah, some black coaches are mad,
some white coaches are mad. Everybody hates everybody in industry, dude,
that's just how it works, all right. Coming up, Next
in the Herd, jj Reddick said he didn't talk to Lebron.
Why won't anybody tell Lebron the truth? We'll get to
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What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you
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why I don't think Lebron James has any real friends Westen. Sure,
(00:53):
I'll explain that here up for forty five minutes. But
let let's start with what we saw last night. What
we saw last night was the NHL Super Bowl. The moment. Now,
I didn't have overtime, because you know, you always get guy,
(01:15):
nothing better than overtime hockey like eh. But still game
seven and it had been I think seventy three years
since we had a comeback from three games to none down,
but still like historical type of potential comeback with Edmonton
fighting off elimination three consecutive times, forcing a game seven
(01:35):
and ultimately you have a Panther's victory to one win
in a best of seven series. And I was just
struck by the fact that here the NHL is and
I think that was the most I've watched a hockey
game since nineteen ninety three. I tell you so damn
(01:59):
it long ago? Is that thirty one years ago? Guys?
That is thirty one years ago. And here's how I
know that nineteen ninety three means something if you were
from southern California. Jason Stewart's from breat California, from Orange
and went to high school in Tustin. But we're oc guys.
(02:20):
Nineteen ninety three, Jay stew coincided with what.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Wow, so many things happened in nineteen ninety three. It
was a crazy time to live in LA But one
of the things that happened was that hockey became very
relevant in a city that largely didn't care about hockey,
and that was because of Wayne Gretzky leading the Kings
to the Sane Cup.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Finals correct. And I mean, like listen, I have no
recall over anything hockey except game one Marty mcsorily curvestick correct,
which it was one of those. I was, however, many
days old at that point in time when I learned
that you couldn't have there was a a proper and
(03:01):
an improper way to have a curve stick in hockey.
It made total sense, but I just didn't even know
and didn't know they would check it during the Stanley
Cup finals, but they did. That's the last time I
watched that much hockey. But you know what I didn't
hear from hockey guy yesterday and today. Now. Part of
it is I'm not gonna sit here and try and
break down the hockey match and the rotations, and boy
(03:23):
that that that final unit for you know, the final
unit there for the Oilers. They were really gassed. Yeah,
you know, they were gassed. Like, no, I don't know enough,
so I don't speak on things that I don't know.
I was entertained. It was exciting, you know, and then
of course you have a two to one lead. There
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was a there was a moment in time there like
two minutes ago where Edmonton had a shot, had a
shot on goal. I couldn't and there's just bodies upon
bodies in front of in front of the net, and
you're like, well that was it. That was the last shot.
So it was exciting. But I didn't even from hockey
guy the bitterness you hear in the WNBA, like you
(04:05):
didn't pay attention to us the last twenty five years.
We didn't care. And what happens is and I don't think.
I don't know if it's because of women's sports or
the way in which women's sports have been treated. I
think that's kind of what it is. Like there's an
amountain of entitlement because I do think that broadcast networks,
(04:28):
most specifically ESPN, has done a great job of treating
women's sports as something much greater than they actually are
in terms of the ratings. Right, this isn't show friends,
this is show business. Sports have come and gone from
National TV Fox. Remember remember they used to have the
NHL and they were the ones that had that. It
(04:50):
was like the glow stick thing. You had the tracer
on the puck so you could see where the puck
is and look, there was a logic to it. They
asked people like what holds you back from watching hockey
like I can't. I don't know where the puck is,
so like, okay, problem solved. We'll put a little tracer
on the truck, just like you have the tracer on
the on the golf ball and people and hockey guy
(05:11):
hated it, and the rest of us are like, I
kind of like that. I could actually see where the
puck is. Point is that there's this level of entitlement
with the WNBA that has dragged down even this incredible story, right,
make no mistake about it. Caitlin Clark making the WNBA
(05:34):
watchable is a parallel to Zion Williamson when he was
a dukeyep making making duke likable to everybody, like I
can't believe. I mean this weekend when Chicago played the
Fever and I'll grant you there's nothing else on, but
you always used to watch baseball, and now at least
(05:55):
two and a half million of you were like, you
know what, I'll watch Caitlin Clark, you're in Chicago. Why not?
It's an unbelievable story. But what are we caught up in? Well,
you didn't cover us for twenty sixteen years because nobody cared.
Why does she get a shoe deal in this woman
doesn't get it because she's popular. That's why, that's why
(06:18):
she should be on the Olympic team. I said this
today was announced that there was that she wasn't on
the Olympic team. The women's Olympic team is far more
dominant than the men. They've won the last seven Olympic
gold medals. Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know why because you don't watch the women play
in the Olympics. She brings attention to a great story instead.
Now you're sitting there going like, why would I watch?
You know they're gonna win. They clearly don't like her,
(06:52):
and all she's doing is help grow the game, like
why would why would I watch?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Not once in the last forty eight hours as people
started to talk about hockey that never talk about hockey,
Not one single time was there a way in which
we were made to feel bad about not paying attention
to hockey. At least I wasn't. But every time I
turn on a WNBA game, I'm made to feel bad
(07:21):
that you missed this last twenty six years twenty seven
Like I don't, I didn't miss anything. I didn't care
until now I care and now I watch. You don't
need to lecture me on what happened previously, you know,
I don't need. I mean, everybody knows. We like you
go into a you go if you're gonna watch Dune,
(07:42):
you know, and you didn't watch Doune one, and you're
watching Dune two unless you ask, you don't need somebody
to go like, well, I'll see what happened in Dune
one was I didn't care about Done one. I'm watching
Doune too now. It is helpful to watch Doon one
before you watch June too. Just like again, little Fyi,
I've actually watched both. I haven't read. I haven't read
the books. Nothing is annoying as I read the book. Guy,
(08:06):
Oh this is different than the book. Sorry man, this
is not the book, this is the movie. But am
I wrong? Jason? You especially, you know, why can't I
just appreciate the sport that I'm watching for the sport
that I'm watching, and not be told and not be
lectured about how, oh my gosh, you guys missed it.
The last five years have been incredible, Like I just don't.
(08:27):
I don't care. And we're, for whatever reason, we're made
to feel bad about even saying I didn't care.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Now because she's brought attention to the league.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I mean, we talk about this all the time on
the Doug Gottlieb Show, airing three pm Eastern across the network,
that hockey not unlike the UFL. Remember a couple of
weeks ago, the UFL had the championship game, and I'm sure,
I'm sure it was watched by some people. But what
we appreciated about the UFL was that it happened. We
didn't watch it, we didn't care about it, and no
(09:01):
one made us feel bad about not watching it. No
one was calling us a racist for not watching it.
No one was calling us a sexist for not watching that.
It was just a sport that knows its niche a cousin,
knows its place in the world. And the WNBA, for
whatever reason, comes with all this guilt. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure why that is. I guess you said
(09:22):
it's a sense of entitlement.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I don't feel any guilt about it. It Actually I
agree with you. It's like, if people want to make
you feel guilty, I want to make you feel like
you're a sexist I'm not a sexist. I just and
I love basketball. I just have never really gotten into
the WNBA. I'm not and again and then the other
(09:48):
parts too. It is then we start to cover it
and we understand it's very very unique. You know, for example,
the woman who fouled Caitlin Clark from Chicago right hip
checked her. She's dating one of the teammates of Caitlin
Clark with the fever.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Check that the guard from the Connecticut team, was it
Dejian Dejana something or another is dating Melissa Smith who
was a Caitlin Clark's teammate.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Okay, my bad, so it wasn't the one who fouled her.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Heart of WNBA occurrences.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And sorry, this is why I don't get into WNBA
talk because I don't really know what I'm talking about.
But something I have known because I have friends that
have been head coaches in the WNBA, and they've told me, like,
look like, once you get under the hood, like this
league is very very different from any other league because
you do you have women dating teammates, dating opponents, and
(10:49):
then they break up. And then of course you have
straight women and you have heterosexual women and they they
don't always form a great team, Like there's a lot
to it, and we consider and go, well, we want
you want us to cover us your way, like or
we want to cover what's interesting Caitlin Clark's interesting. I
(11:13):
think that dynamic of it is interesting, just is. But
there's the the uh, the basketball shaming of the w NBA.
It pushes me away, you know, pushes me away. Look,
I feel bad. I didn't like fish when I was
(11:33):
a kid. But I realized I didn't like fish when
I was a kid. It was part of it was
the way my mom made it. Did anybody like fishing
they're a kid like my kids, like I don't like fish,
Like what do we have to do tonight's making fish?
Like oh gosh, oh oh really, Oh, don't worry. I
poached the salmon, Like oh this just who told you
(11:54):
that was a good idea? Like the fact that my
mom I lived under my mom's roof, what was it
eighteen years and not one time did she go like, hey,
I'm gonna put a little molasses on it and cook
it on the grill, because I would have gotten down
with some salmon. Then instead she poaching like, uh, I
mean brussels sprouts. Brust. If your mom told you she
was making Brussels sprouts, you knew two things. One, it
(12:16):
was gonna be a tough dinner. In two your your
house was gonna smell like somebody, well, somebody couldn't stop farting. Now,
my kids asked for Brussels sprouts. Now, a good portion
of it is that I make it in the oven.
I'm pretty awesome at it. Right where I get the uh,
olive oil on it. I don't do the balsamic glaze.
I just do olive oil. Cot them up really thin
(12:37):
pieces olive oil on a cookie sheet with some aluminum foil,
and then throw some salt, little pepper, maybe a little
lemon brown it. My children ask for Brussels sprouts. I mean,
Brussels sprouts is the greatest culinary turnaround in the history
of culinary turnarounds. But the fact is that, I mean,
(13:03):
I don't feel bad about the fact that I went
forty years without understanding Brussel spouts could be an edible thing.
And somehow with the WNBA, I'm just told I'm a
bad person. And yeah, there's all these other things that
you get labeled because I didn't watch it. I didn't
like it. I didn't follow it. I didn't and now
(13:23):
I do. Now I like it a lot. So that's
I watched last night. I watched more hockey than I
have watched in years, and I still didn't really know
the players, didn't really understand a lot of the substitutions
and rotations or any other thing. I was just entertained.
(13:44):
So high level sport, high intensity. Everything was magnified, the
crowd was intense. And the best celebration in sports, without
any question, is when you win the Stanley Cup and
everybody gets a chance to skate around with the Santa Cup.
Like now that I've watched many a year, which is
just tell me when it's over and I'll flip it
on because I want to see these guys skate with
(14:05):
the cup, Like how cool?
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Very cool? I'm Doug gollibe in for Colin Cowherd. Is
anyone gonna have a real conversation with lebron about Bronnie?
We'll try next in.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
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will join us momentarily. I will respond to some of
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the Well, I'll lay out for you the story of
I guess it's is it me versus the even a Smith?
Is that? What that is? Me versus Steven a Smith.
We'll do that. I'm coming in about twenty five minutes.
In the meantime, let's welcome in Mark Medina. We call
him the Funky Cole Madina on the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. In the Herd and Mark,
(15:15):
what are your thoughts on JJ's press conference yesterday?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Yeah, Well, in regards to JJ's f bombs, I think
my laugh was pretty loud. I found it amusing. I
think after the fact, I wondered wasn't really necessary. But
besides that, I thought that he wanted the press conference.
He hit on all the right notes and conceding the
challenges ahead of him, but embracing the fact that he's
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got to be innovative, acknowledging the fact that he has
no head coaching experience. But he's going to lean on
the work ethic relationship equity, you know, mentors with Mike
Krzyzewski most notably, to overcome that. But you know, the
reality is going to be in the results, and the
Lakers have a lot of different buckets of objectives that
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are you know, pretty challenging when you're looking at trying
to maximize Lebron James's remaining nears, making Anthony Davis become
more of the focal point developing role players. Yeah, it's
it's gonna be a pretty interesting dynamic, to say the least.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I think it'll be a fascinating, fascinating dynamic. H
let me let me ask you this. Uh, I agree
with you on the F bombs. I like the idea
of and I said this at my press conference, right
there's and he kind of alluded to this, there's nothing
you can really say at a press conference that's going
to prove to people you can coach and sound like
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I can get out of the whiteboard and be like Okay,
So here's what we're gonna do. Okay, We're gonna run
pistol action and then like, this is where we're gonna
put Lebron and here's where we're gonna put Anthony Davis.
Like people like, that's not the point, okay. So I
love the idea of you can't care what people think
that you want the job, that you go forward doing
the job. What about the staffing the staffing plan right,
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because apparently it's one of the things that turned Danny
Hurley off was that they wanted to plan his staff
for him. They didn't do it with Darvin Hamm and
that was, by all accounts, an abject disaster. What is
the staffing plan with the Lakers?
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Yeah, well, JJ Riddick and Rop Lincoln didn't get it
into names, but they said it's about getting experienced head
coaches around them so that he can use them as
a sounding board. And to your point, it's not surprising
that Dan Early did not like that. Ty Lude didn't
like that arrangement either. Frank Vogel was okay with it
when they had Jason kidd But you know, it is
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an interesting era because usually head coaches had complete and
full autonomy historically on how to assemble their coaching staffs,
and front office would say, hey, whatever systance you want,
we'll just evaluate you all on the results. But in
this modern era, front offices want to have input almost
as a way to you know, fulfill what their vision
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of success is. But I think regardless with j Roddick,
the fact that he hasn't been a head coach, it's
obvious that he'll need you know, veteran assistance around him.
I think the challenging part here, Doug is you know
very well is you know, finding the right of a
veteran assistant coaches, but that don't also have aspirations to
be head coaches. Because if there if there is a
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candidate that has that, there is always the politic you of, Okay,
is this head coach have my best interests? Or is
he inevitably just going to be replacing me when things
don't go well? But I think you know that idea
obviously works in theory. Now we'll see how they execute it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
No, I listened, so I I actually I understand what
you're saying. I actually disagree on some level with that idea.
First thing is whoever you hire the number one trait
they have to have is loyalty. Mm are there any
fissures within it? Like when and you know this from
what you do. Mark Ridine is our guest, by the way,
(18:53):
he's our NBA insider from Fox Sports Radio. Like the
way we get all this chatter from coaches is coach like.
Coaches like to bs on the phone and talk and
if they're talking about their own coach or their own
you know, their own staff, like, that's a dysfunctional unit.
So the first thing is you got to have loyalty.
I actually want guys that want to be head coaches,
right because one of the problems with hiring former head
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coaches is I'm not saying they're lazy, but they've had
things done for them that now they have to do,
and it's a really hard backpedal to get into. You know,
if you've been a head coach, like you're not used
to grinding and doing whatever the head coach wants, that's
a really difficult thing to do, Whereas if you've been
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an assistant coach, it's a lot easier for you to
transition to being an assistant coach. So there's a kind
of a healthy sort of mix there right that you
want guys with head coaching experiences, but you want them
still to be driven like back when they were an
assistant an assistant coach, you don'tant a guy who just
I'm gonna give you advice, but I'm going to mail
it in in terms of the day to day because
you're constantly at the NBA level, you're constantly managing all
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of these personalities while you know they have and the
Lakers are a very streamline organization as you know, like
they don't have a deep advanced scouting analytics sort of division.
They don't and they don't have an assistant GM, they
don't have lots of the layers other people have. So
you've got to do that. You're you've got to have
a staff that does all the things that you don't do.
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And I think it's going to be interesting to see
who they choose from because they did not choose well
at times with some of these previous stabs, and sometimes
they have and there's not a huge pool of people
at this late late a day and time.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah, Doug, I mean, you outline the fascinating angle to it,
and it really illustrates kind of the gray area in
the wiggle room with how they maneuver with finding the
right coaching staff. And I think to your point about
with Dan Early of him way and autonomy, that's where
another gray area is in play, where you know, if
there's not prior relationships with a previous person and the
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front office is saying, well, hey, how about this guy,
how about that guy, That's where some of that trust
isn't always there.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But I mean, look at you look no different than Phoenix.
Yay Phoenix, that Frank Vogel have autonomy with one exception
Kevin Young, And that was a complete poop show, right
because you had Frank was trusted him to run the
offense and he's let others run the offense. But there
is this and this is what you're talking about. Kevin
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wanted the job, almost got the job, they paid him
more than any insist in the NBA to not get
the job and being and it didn't work. And Katie
never liked the offense, and Book liked the offense, but
Frank Vogel was a little tentative about coaching him because
he felt like he was playing for Kevin Young, like
that doesn't work, doesn't So it's a really interesting one.
The thing he has going for him is there's obviously
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a connection with Lebron James. Did anyone in that room
believe that they didn't talk about the job until after he.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Took the job, Well, Doug tay mean as naive, but
I actually do believe it. But I only believe it
because it's to the letter of the law. You know,
where Rob Plinka is saying Lebron was supportive but wasn't
heavily involved in the coaching search. I believe that, but
just from the literal letter of the law. Same thing
with JJ Reddick saying we didn't talk during the coaching search.
(22:18):
But no doubt Lebron James has an influence merely because
he exists number one and also number two. They know
his temperature based off of his actions, what his relationships
are with JJ Reddicks. They have a podcast as well
as you know his social media activity and the messages
that he sends out there, so he doesn't have to
have direct conversations and lay it out bluntly with either person.
(22:43):
But Rob Polink and JJ Reddick fully know well how
Lebron James feels about this. I think what was also
fascinating is that Roblink was mentioned that Andy Davis was
heavily involved here, and I think that that is notable
for two reasons. One, JJ Reddick was hot lighting the
idea that they wanted him to become what he called
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more of a hub type of center, where you know,
there's more of a mobility of being a stretch five
as opposed to back to the basket big. But the
other thing is they're really trying to pave the way
for Anthony Davis to become the leader of the team.
And you know, in fairness, Lebron's been saying this from
day one, but it's been Lebron's team. But now that
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he's entering the final years of his career, presuming that
he opts out and signs a new deal, it's very
much an emphasis to try to make it so that
there is a somewhat seamless pass into Baton. But again,
that sounds good in theory but harder to execute in reality.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Okay, so who do they add? Because you're not you're
not getting rid of Boston Reeves. You got those three.
What's the plan on who they add?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah? Well, I take what Rob Polinka plan it as
a real Talian sign and that it seems like they're
going to use these draft picks to hold on than
to actually pull off a trade, and it's about as
flawed as their roster is. Try to hope that there's
enough marginal improvement as well as enough marginal improvement with
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JJ Reddick's knowledge of the game, I mean, for all
his inexperience, that might be a challenge. One thing that
they're very confident on is that he can make better
in game adjustment and manage rotations better than what Darvin
hand did. But that sounds nice, but again we're talking
about the Lakers. We're talking about Lebron James. He still
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wants to feel like he has some chance, no matter
how slim, to compete for a title. So these marginal improvements,
it's great, but you know, it's nothing. It's not going
to make any greater difference than you're a competitive playoff
team that could be a roadbump in the first round.
So that's the fascinating part with this franchise, and they
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never ceased to be interesting with the.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Are they going to draft Ronnie?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
I think they will, Doug, but I think it's more
going to be because of circumstance and convenience than any
plan about trying to appease Lebron or any fascination with
Brownie's game. I think they're going to draft him because
they have the fifty fifth pick, and he'll be available,
and he'll mostly spend his time in the G League.
But you know, Doug, you and I have talked on
(25:23):
your radio show that this idea that teams, whether it's
the Lakers or other teams that are drafting Bronny with
the hopes that this means Lebron definitely either stays with
the Lakers or goes elsewhere, is just a foolish argument.
The expectations Lebron's staying with the Lakers and Bronnie, you know,
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he's a nice team guy and plays the right way,
but he doesn't have a definitive skill set and isn't
expected to be drafted at all, and if so, it's
late second round. So I think with all that the
Lakers will draft him, but it's not because of kind
of the larger forces.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Boy, you're the best, Mark. I love, love your insight
and input. Thanks so much for joining us here in the.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Hurt, Doug, appreciate you and right back at it, Chef All.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Right, let's get you to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
No, no t This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Always good to have Mark Medina. There plenty of NBA discussion.
We'll have some more coming up in a bit, but
let's start right now with some NFL. The Eagles made
a big move and a somewhat surprising move for those
who are fans of NFC East Football, when they were
able to land Sakuon Barkley this off season, bringing him
(26:45):
into the fold, trying to bring some extra firepower to
that Philadelphia offense. And let's just say it came as
a bit of a surprise, even to one of their
veteran players, Lane Johnson. Here's what he had to say
about Saquon Barkley. He's ultra competitive and you see what
he can do at the running back position, and we
can flex him out your receiver, he can go. It's unbelievable.
(27:05):
I never thought that he would be playing for us,
but here it is. I know that he's excited. We're
definitely excited. Up front.
Speaker 8 (27:12):
I think he's poised for a big, big year.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You buy that?
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Do I buy? Which part of it.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
That he's poise for a big big year?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
I actually do think he could be quite productive. I
know the age old tale about running backs and when
they get later in their career start to lose some
of the tread off those tires. But I think for
Saquon he's it's not as if he's incredibly old. I
think he's still in his late twenties at this point,
and this will be far and away perhaps the most
(27:48):
balanced team he's ever been a part of as a professional.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, I'm encouraged to see what Saquon has. I think
he'll have a better year than maybe even Derrick Henry.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
As by the way, so yeah, still in this way, how.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Is Derrick Henry? Is he thirty yet? Is he twenty nine?
I mean, usually you get to this year and obviously
he had one knee injury.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Hunh, go ahead, I'm looking Utterrick Henry.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Usually you get to this point in time, you had
one year and you're like, you know, you get one
kind of good year left and then what you lack
when you're an older running back and.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Derrick Henry is thirty by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think Saquan's gonna have a good year. I do now.
Derrick Henry keeps himself an incredible physical condition, but just
a pounding a man of that size amount of times
he's carried the football, I don't see it as much,
although you know, Baltimore has made very average running backs
into outstanding backs. Don't like it doesn't catch it out
of the backfield. But I think Saquon's gonna have a
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good year, no question.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yeah, I think obviously the thing that Sakuon can also
do that's different than Derrick Henry is catch the ball
out of the backfield, which you know, we'll see exactly
how this saul fits in Kellen Moore's new offense, who
will be first year with the Philadelphia Eagles. So yeah,
I mean I'm I'm high on it. Also considering sort of,
(29:12):
I know they had a down year in their struggles
at times last season with the Eagles, but I mean
they have two great offensive wide receivers. Dallas Goddard's a
good tight end. It's just going to be the first
time in Saque's career that people aren't going to be
solely focused on loading up the box and stopping him.
(29:34):
And so I think even if he's not quite in
terms of explosiveness or elusiveness what he was, you know,
in his second or third year in the league. I
think it'll still be incredibly productive, even though he may
not get the whole like three hundred and fifty touches
on the season. Maybe dial it back a little, a
little bit more by committee, but still very productive.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Nonetheless.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Agree.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
All right, let's turn our attention here where we had
Russ Tucker in for Dan Patrick this morning, and he
had a few things to say about JJ Reddick's introductories
prep conference. Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
The one thing he did say, yes, Shaita, we didn't
talk about, he's done with the media stuff. So like
our colleague here at Fox Sports Radio, Doug Gottlieb is
still doing the afternoon show while he's a Division one
head coach at Wisconsin Green Bay. Whereas JJ Reddick said
he's done, he's I think he used the word excommunicated
(30:33):
from the podcast business.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
He's done doing that.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Which I think was obviously the right move.
Speaker 9 (30:40):
Right like that, that would have been a really bad look.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
I don't know why would have been a bad look.
I mean, I guess his thing is he was doing
it with Lebron James. I think that would have been
unbelievable insight. But listen. You know, JJ hasn't coached before.
I think JJ probably wants to summer league here so
he gets kind of a feel for calling timeouts and
how it all feels and all those other things I've
I've done all of that. They're different jobs, even though
(31:11):
the same sport technically. And you know what I didn't
like was the other comment about what is that I
was in the Is it the something mining business?
Speaker 8 (31:19):
What was it the engagement farming industry or something?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, we'll get to that next the next hour, right
that that came across as classic Douchie arrogance, which which
JJ has nailed at sometimes. But in regards to not
doing the podcast, Okay, I'm gonna do it, he's not
gonna do They played eighty two games, we played thirty.
We have a much longer off season, and again, my schedule,
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you know, the only things it potentially conflicts with is
not my practice times, is other things that I need
to do in life or for or for the business
of Uwgreen. But so far it's worked for me. I
can't speak to anybody else fair enough. I'm like, I'm excited.
I'm excited I get to It's like all the parts
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of my brain get to fire every morning, and they're
firing better, not worse, since taken on this job.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Love it, Love that you are always willing to embrace
the challenge. And we'll finish up with this sticking in
the NBA. Paul George might be the most interesting man
in the NBA world as we're approaching the start of
free agency. What once felt like a foregone conclusion that
he would re sign with the Clippers, well that may
no longer be the case. Here is NBA insider Mark
(32:35):
Stein on his podcast with Christaine's This League Uncut.
Speaker 10 (32:40):
Paul George's future That to me really is headline number
one in this league. And there's a lot of talk
that the prospect of Paul George just accepting his player
option for next season and forcing a trade that has
become an increasingly realistic possibility.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
It's fascinating because he also has said he doesn't like
the way. Really he's alluded to not liking the way
the Clippers play, and the Clippers do run a lot
of ISOs and try and buy mismatches. There's been talked
about Oklahoma City. Does that make the most sense? Probably
does to get some of those picks back and some
personnel back. But you know there's there's also the if
you're the Clippers, you don't have to trade him, you know, like, hey, dude,
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we built this whole thing around you and Kawhi Leonard
and we don't have to trade you. But that's definitely
the name that everybody's talking about in the postseason. And
that's Ray Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
News all right. Coming up next in The Herd, Steven A.
Smith said something recently that I just it ticked me off,
and I'll any doubled down on it then tell you
what it is next and the hurt.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
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When I've Doug Allibin for Collins, Sir, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio App and look Colin, and I make no bones
about it. We both we became friends in two thousand
and three when we were both hired at ESPN by
a former boss of ours. And I don't hold any
(35:10):
your will towards the place. I was there on campus
for nine years total, ten years working at ESPN, had
a great time, made unbelievable friends, great relationship. As a
matter of fact, many of my relationships at Fox Sports
and Fox Sports Radio are former ESPN guys who we
all worked to get together and then we moved over.
You know, I stopped at CBS along along the way.
(35:33):
But there was there was something that stephen A said
last week that really really bothered me. And you know,
let me let me just play it for you and
then let's kind of talk it out. This is This
Morning on ESPN, Stephen A double down on his original
comments that he had heard from a lot of black
coaches about Lebron doing a podcast with JJ Reddick. Well,
(35:55):
Darvin Ham had the job with the Lakers.
Speaker 12 (35:58):
Black coaches called the black commentator to complain about a
black superstar doing a podcast while his black head coach
was on the hot seat before he ultimately lost the
damn job.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
What does that have to do with white folks?
Speaker 10 (36:16):
Some things that none of your damn business.
Speaker 12 (36:19):
There was a black on black thing, but you got
other folks who will remain nameless, working with with for
other networks, with their relevant ass selves.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Popping their junk. Okay.
Speaker 12 (36:30):
And the fact of the matter is it has absolutely
positively nothing to.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Do with that. It doesn't Okay. JJ ready, by the way,
is now a white coach. Why are we making this
into a racial thing. I mean again, let's just remember
what Stephen A is doing. Okay. He made his rise
okay as an incredible orator and his role as a
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TV character. Okay, because he's not a journalist. No matter
what he says, he's not a journalis there's no journalistic
integrity in many of the things that he does in
comments on he he's a commentator in he's a he's
a fire starter, he's a personality. Okay, he's a provocateur.
He originally was the angry black man. That was the
(37:17):
role he played, angry black man. And and now it's
the Hey, this is a black thing, by the way,
that's racially divisive. Hey, the only one making the JJ
Reddick podcast or hire about him being white is in
fact Stephen A. Smith. And when you say, hey, black
(37:37):
coaches called me about it, what did you say. I mean,
here's the real problem with Stephen A. Smith that we
want to get down to it. He doesn't work hard.
He doesn't I'll let you in on the secret that
everyone in the media knows. Nobody will say it. I
will because I don't care. I'm past the point of
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what was it that JJ said yesterday? I'm past that point.
I don't have to. I don't have to. I don't
need a job from him. I don't need him to
grace me and bless me and say he doesn't Hey,
that's why his radio show radio is work. You got
to know what's going on. You've got to be a
depth you can't show up five minutes before and go
like a let's just do it. Turn on. And that's
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why some dudes take calls so they can hide what
they that they haven't done the work. It's okay. And
when I say that, I mean that in the Christops Persingis,
for example, when he crushed the Knicks for drafting Christops Persingis.
My issue with him at the time was christophs Perzingis
had come to the United States and worked out in
New York City. He was working in New York City
(38:39):
at the time. All you got to do is hop
in a cab or have a car service, roll over there,
watch the workout. Talk to anybody in the NBA, and
they were like that dog will hunt, he stays healthy,
he's gonna be a star. But instead he crushed it
because he'd never seen him like, Look, I've made mistakes
in draft evaluations, but it's players that I've seen, I've
talked to, I've evaluated they And what he's doing now
(39:04):
is he's he's doing the He's making the JJ Reddick higher.
He's making Lebron James into a sellout. That's what he's doing.
He's making Lebron James into a sellout. That's the black
conversation that I'm not allowed to have because I'm a
white man, I'm a white coach. I'm the irrelevant. Well
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if I'm irrelevant, then what does it bother you? Because
I'm right, I know what I'm talking about. Yes, there's
going to be coaches that are mad that JJ got
a job and he wasn't an assistant coach before and
he was just on TV. You know Doc Rivers did
the same thing. You know Mark Jackson did the same thing.
You know Steve Kurr did the same thing. You know
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Jason Kidd did the same thing. There's no mention of
any of that. Hey, Yes, you're allowed to be friends
with white people. If you're a black superstar, you're allowed
to be friends with black people. If you're a white superstar,
and if you're black, you're allowed to be friends with
black people and white you're allowed to be friends of
white people because basketball people are usually friends with basketball people.
And what Lebron James is attracted to with JJ Reddick
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is what is what Darvin Ham didn't have? Hey did
has Steven A ever mentioned that Darvinham was late to
his own meetings? No, that would actually be doing his job.
Do your job. Your job is to actually report and
provide insight analysis, not just be a provocateur. Otherwise you're
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commenting on something you don't even know about. And if
you're Steven A. Smith and I know this because everyone
knows how powerful he is in media. If he picks
up the phone and calls somebody, they will either answer
or call him back, and most times they'll tell him
what the real reel is.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Why was Lebron out on Darvin Ham because he wasn't prepared.
He'd show up doing lake to his own meetings. He
didn't draw up plays. He was just a let's go
play hard coach. That's what he was coach. Are we
going over or under? They always played in the drop,
going over on a drop you choose, just get it done.
(41:04):
That's not how Lebron. Lebron James is brilliant as a
basketball mind. He is brilliant. And the thing about brilliant
people is they don't have time for people who aren't brilliant.
And it has nothing to do with the color of
Darvin Ham's skin. Lebron james favorite coach is ty Loo
and they didn't get him because the Lakers only offered
him a three year deal and he's under contract right now.
(41:27):
And TYLERU is not brilliant because he's black or because
he's a form. He's brilliant because he's brilliant. Tyler's an
awesome coach. Hey, he does some really unique things. So
is Rick Carlisle. Again, Remember you're like, well, their skin
color shages because nobody in basketball actually cares. The only
person making it about race is Steven A. Smith. And
(41:49):
this is what I've said previously, and I mean it.
I think it's evil, Okay, I think it's divisive. And
and JJ talked about what was it farming, not interest farming,
but all of.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
The engagement farming and engagement farming.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Engagement farming. Hey, this is farming racial divisiveness and making
it into something that it's not and using it to
propel yourself for twenty plus million dollars in the media industry.
That's gross. Sorry, it's gross to me because it's not real.
(42:34):
It doesn't happen. And yeah, some black coaches are mad,
some white coaches are mad. Everybody hates everybody in industry, dude,
that's just how it works, all right. Coming up, Next
in the Herd, jj Reddick said he didn't talk to Lebron.
Why won't anybody tell Lebron the truth? We'll get to
that next in the Hurd
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