June 29, 2024 • 34 mins
Doug Gottlieb reacts to the Knicks landing Mikal Bridges in a trade with the Nets and why the Villanova culture taking over the NBA is a huge win for basketball
2-time Super Bowl champion Marquez Valdes-Scantling joins the show to talk about joining the Bills and shares some surprising news about Aaron Rodgers
Jason McIntyre can't believe the United States Men's National Team lost to Panama 2-1 in Copa American and why big changes could be coming for this team. He defends the Lakers drafting Bronny James in the 2nd round
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
AI.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Here we are hours away from Young Men's Lives Week
chaired the NBA Draft, which apparently is the two day
events on a year in which I don't know how
many of you can name half the players or even
three quarters of the players in day one of the
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two day event, although Day two of the events will
probably bring us a complete Bronnie James discussion, and we'll
get to whether or not we should or should not
be discussing Ronnie James upcoming got a heck of a
show for you. We will talk some NFL. Jeff Howe's
going to join us a little bit later on this hour,
plus Magic Johnson likens himself and Larry Bird to who
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you'll find out a little bit later on this hour.
But let's begin with the news of the day. McHale
Bridges is traded to the New York Knicks, and there
was a do you like plethora? Do you like cornucopia
or do you like Schmorgesborg of picks? Pick pick which
one you want. Either way, it doesn't matter. The Knicks
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end up landing McHale Bridges. Now, Bridges is a guy
who when he's the third or fourth option is remarkable.
When he's the number one option, he's good. But you
know you're limited as a team. You're not gonna win
or compete for an NBA championship. Nonetheless, that is a
big time get for the New York Knickerbuckers, who now
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have four Villanova players on it. Four that one at
least parts of, if not someone two national championships. And
there's a lot that goes with it, right, What does
it mean for the rest of the New York Knicks roster?
You know, do they they stamp pat what do they
do with Hartenstein, what do they do with the other players?
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But I think let's just focus on why would you
want for Villanova guys, Well, it's obvious you want to
surround yourself with winners, But this is about culture. It's
about culture, right. The greatest respect you can have or
say to a radio guy is I was listening to
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your show. I got to my house and I couldn't
get out of my car until you went to break,
Or even more impressively, is I listened through a break
because I wanted to hear what you were going to
say next. Like that is an unbelievable compliment to a
radio guy. To a radio guy, you know, when when
a coach watches your team, Like I remember, I was
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actually giving a little pregame talk in Phoenix before the
national championship game, and I look in the audience and
there's Tubby Smith. And I started interviewing Tubby Smith because
I mean, he's won national championship, he's an incredibly legendary
man and coach in the in the profession of coaching basketball.
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And he said, you know, I just want to stick
around and see what you had to say. I was, Wow,
it's like respect. He cannot get any more respect for
a college program than four of their guys. And when
Jalen Bruns was signed by the New York Knicks, many
were critical of how much they spent on it. Now,
obviously most everybody's back pedaled and said, hey, I was wrong,
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and it's fine. But my point too was it didn't
actually have to do with the points and the assists.
It has to do with the fact that New York
for so long had been a place that no one
wanted to play. You know how many times has Lebron
James been a free agent said eh, never want to
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play there. Remember, the New York Knicks moved heaven and
earth to try and get Kevin Durant, and when he
wanted to bring Kyrie Irving with him, they sort of passed.
He ended up with the Brooklyn Nets. But nonetheless, the
fact that the Knicks wanted him. He was a free agent,
he talked to the Knicks and didn't go there. The
Knicks that were not a destination. It was because there
was just what was the what was the magnet who
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was had the gravitational pull that was pulling people in?
And I believe that's Sjalen Brunson. But what the Knicks
have have come to understand is what many people in
business already know is that culture is just about everything.
And I get it, Like, there's gonna be limitations. Josh
Harts has limitations as a player, not a great player,
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but man, he's a good for your culture. I know
Dante DiVincenzo and that elimination game had a great game,
and we know him as white Dante from the National
Championship Game. But in truth, he's probably best off being
a bench player. Mikhale Bridges again, he's if he's your
third or fourth offensive option, you're really good. And Jalen
Brunson's probably best if he's your second best offensive scorer.
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But I was I was at a let's call it
a symposium a couple of weeks ago, and it was
all about culture and purpose Doug Goldibn for Colin this
is the herd. And one of the statements made was like, look,
if you invest in people, if you really invest in culture,
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your growth for your company is going to increase ten x.
And the point is that I understand how on paper,
on paper, it looks like one thing on paper, it
looks like, ah, we got overspent On Michale Bridges, he's
just an okay player. Maybe we're a little bit better
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OG and nobody has gone how much better can they be?
But I think when your culture is as good as
it will be with those four Villanova guys, I think
you'll have an increase of ten x. I think others
will follow, and I think you're gonna have a really
good team. I think that becomes a team where you
think that that's next to the Celtics, the most competitive
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team in the East. And look, I could tell you
that there were times in my life where I would say, ah,
we're over selling culture and you just got to go
get the best guys possible. But the Boston Celtics don't
have the best players possible. Jason Tatum's awesome, Jaylen Brown's
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very good. But they have great culture. They buy into
their roles and that's why they're successful. And that investment
in culture is one of the things that's paid off
for them winning an NBA title. And I think the
Knicks are sitting there going like, all right, Villanova is
the was the model team, was the model college basketball program.
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Culture wins, competitiveness wins, smart wins. That's all Villanova. Let's
just go get a bunch of Villanova guys. Don't know
what the price is. Hey, you know what kind of
agree with them? I do kind of agree with them.
Doug Otlibin for Colinis The Herd. You're on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeartRadio app. What a show we got
(07:58):
for you. Now, the question becomes in the NBA draft
do you draft for culture or do you just draft
for talent? Like that's a real thing. Do you draft
for culture or do you draft for talent? The Knicks
trade for Michale Bridges. That obviously gets them some talent,
but a lot of culture. What happens in tonight's NBA draft?
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Coming up next? In The Herd, the Dolphins and Tua
are at an impasse. What should the Dolphins do next?
We'll discuss.
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Speaker 4 (08:42):
Back here on the Herd, we have a great guest
in studio. First time in studio. Oh boy, here we go.
He is gone from Aaron Rodgers to Patrick Mahomes and
now he's in Buffalo with Josh Allen, what a charm life.
Marquez Valdez scandling in the building.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
How are you, my man?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I'm good, man, I'm good, I'm good. I'm happy to
be here.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Excellent.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Now I just learned, you know, we had all these
battery of questions ready for him. And then I start
talking to him during the commercial break and I find
out he was hanging out with Aaron Rodgers yesterday out
here in LA. So obviously this is breaking news for
much of it at the NFL audience, tell us about it.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, me and me
and Aaron been a great friends since I've been in
Green Bay. I hit him up till I was coming
out to LA and so let's let's run some routes.
So we got it in man, went out to some
some high school and ran some routes together. So it
was good. It was good.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, So all the New York media can stand down.
Aaron Rogers just back from Egypt. It's not it's not
a secret anymore. And he's hanging out with MVS.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I like the earring.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
By the way, it's MVS. He's got his own line
of stuff, obviously, because he's a star. Where do you
want to start here? I mean you go from Rogers
to Mahomes and now to Josh Allen, Like that is
as good as it gets.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah, man, I'm I'm grateful. You know. When I when
I came out of college, I was like, man, I
don't want to go anywhere cold, and it ended up
in Green Bay. But I think that was the the
biggest blessing that I had. You know, Obviously, my four
years there were great. I got to learn from, you know,
one of the best receivers to ever play this game
in Davonte Adams, and then being able to learn under
guys like Randall Cobb, it was huge. And obviously playing
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with Aaron Man, you know, you know that those are
one of those situations that you know, you dream of
as a kid. You know, I grew up watching these
guys play, you know, on Sunday night football and you know,
walk into the locker room and my first day I
see Aaron Cobb and Davante you know, sitting at the
table and Aaron calls me over, you know, and called
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me by my name, you know. So that was one
of those moments that I'll never forget and told me
how much he you know, admired my play and so
that can help his team. You know. So those are
probably the moment that he doesn't even remember, but you know,
that was one of the things that just will stick
with me forever.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So you had a great run obviously with the Packers.
Then you go to the Chiefs and it's like, oh,
is what a super Bowl? They tell me how first
of all, Rogers and Mahomes are different off the field
and then in the huddle.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, there are two
different types of leaders. You know, pass a lot more vocal,
you know, rally the team. You know, Aaron's more you know,
writing your face, you know, talk to you, writing your
face opposed to the whole team. Heels to each individual
and Pat addresses the whole team. But they're they're both
great at what they do. You know, they lead in
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different ways. They're both super competitive. I think that's you know,
one of those things that between those two guys, you know,
that's the biggest similarity into them. You know, obviously the
arm talent and you know what they can do off
schedule and the throws that they can make, but just
the competitiveness that that they both have. You know, I
was grateful to have those two guys as my my
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first two quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm sure the numbers say one thing for deep ball accuracy,
but for your money, Rogers or Mahomes, who was the
better deep ball thrower?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
For you, man? I don't know. I think you know,
I think they both had different skill sets when it
came to it. You know, obviously I got Aaron and
year seventeen had in year six, you know, so you know,
obviously you know, Pat had a stronger arm, you know,
when it came to it, but you know, and was
just so pinpoint with everything that he did, you know,
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So I think that the skill sets were just so different.
But those two guys, man, it was it was great
to be a part of that.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Walk me through the Super Bowl against the Niners. I
had forty nine ers winning. If forty nineers were in
total control, it felt like to me at least. But
I'm just curious what they told me about halftime because
it seemed like you guys were kind of in trouble,
especially third quarter. Mahomes throws the pick and it's like, oh,
here we go. But at halftime, was there any concern
at all?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Or is it. We've been here, nah, man, I think
you know the great teams that you know, battle through
diversity all year. It was it was no flinch out
of us. You know. I knew that, you know, and
we knew that we deserve to be there. We knew
that we just had to settle down and just play
our game of football. And you know, obviously we had
been through ups and downs all year, and you know,
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it was no different in the Super Bowl, and so
that kind of prepared us, you know, for for those
moments and to never ever have to flinch. Coach Reid
does a great job just preparing guys for all the
situations and and never be blindsided by the moment. And
so I'm forever grateful that I had a coach like
that to kind of prepare the team in that manner.
And you know, it showed in the Super Bowl, showed
in the last two Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You caught a touchdown pass obviously, just an incredible comeback
and victory for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I don't know, take me through like the fourth quarter and.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Overtime, man, it was a it was a crazy thing, man,
because obviously, you know we have to go down to
tie that game. In the last quarter, right before right
before it ends, and then to go and watched them
get the ball first, and you know they decided to say, hey,
we'll take it first and leave us to figure it
out after. And then you know, we just went and
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drove that field and won the game. I was, you know,
part of a couple of those calls to you know,
get us some first downs and you know, making some
plays to help us getting that position. So it was
a it was a great experience. Man.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
What is that, would you say, to date highlight of
your career?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Uh? Nah, man, you know obviously, I think, you know,
scoring in Super Bowl. A lot of guys can't say
that they did that. But you know, there's been monumental moments,
you know, part of our career, you know, even the struggles,
you know, even the drop versus Philly in the season.
I think that was, you know, a big moment for
me just to say, hey man, you can still do this,
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you know, and and shake back you know. So I think,
you know, that was that was a big moment for me,
just to say, hey man, people are still going to
count on you.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Oh so let's go back to that to drop. If
memory serves it, was like over right around like the
was it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
In the end zone?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah, right, two yard line or something like that. You know,
it was a third down the a couple of seconds
left in the game. It was raining, you know, we
got you know, was supposed to not rain that the
whole day and we ended up getting rained the entire game.
You know. And then you know, obviously that was a
rematch from the Super Bowl the year before, and you know,
they kind of me to go make that play and
I didn't. But you know, I was able to kind
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of battle through that, man, and get through you know,
those those sorrows and keep going. Man. You know, I've
never waivered you. My faith always stayed high. You know,
I'll leave to myself. My confidence never kind of dropped down.
I know I can go make a play. And then
throughout the throughout the rest of the season, I just
kept making those plays when they needed me.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I gotta say, that's pretty cool. You brought that up.
There's some people who don't want to talk about their lows.
You you brought that up. I wasn't gonna ask about it.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, No, it's cool, man. It's all a part of
my story. Man. You I've never run from it. You know,
it made me know who I am today. You know,
I battled through.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
When there's some athletes, uh these days have the rabbit ears,
like for instance, Kevin Duran and the NBA, Like you'll
say something about him online, he'll come and find you
in DM and get older.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
In the NFL a little less so, but there's some
of that. There's some punching back.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
How are you handling social media after like a game
like the Eagles game?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Met It don't bother me, man. I'm from the south
side of Saint Petersburg, Florida. Man, I've seen way whereas
things in real life. You know, So anybody behind and
behind a camera or you know, have behind their phone
to say whatever they got to say, you know, to
make themselves feel better from their mom's basement or you
know the you know, their their work office Internet. It's cool, man,
You know, I love the passion that y'all you know,
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fans have, but you know we are still people, you know.
But at the end of the day, Man, it don't
bother me.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Have you had any teammates you've seen struggle with it?
I'm listen, I've worked with people who they can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
When people are bombarding them, Yes, what do you say
to them?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know, it's we know what we do in real life,
you know, you know the work that we put in
in real life. You know in this building, you know
where that building is. You know whether it's s Green Bay,
Kansas City, Buffalo. You know, the the adversity that you
had to battle to get to where you are today.
None of those fans will never understand that, you know.
So those are the things that you kind of just
got to remember, you know, and these people don't know,
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you know what you really went through, you know how
to get where you are now.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'll ask about the Buffalo bills and again, like I
got to be careful how I frame this because you know,
earlier we were talking about Brandon Auk and some stuff
he's doing on social media. As you know, I know
people don't like the word diva, but like Stefan Diggs
has went through a lot in Buffalo and they kind
of moved on from him, and now they bring you
in and you guys aren't the same receiver. But it's
almost like a breath of fresh air. Look look at
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how calm you are bringing up big drops Like that's
pretty cool that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I guess. How how do you walk into a locker
room knowing you're kind of replaced?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I know, Gabe Davis is going too, but like you're
now one of the guys.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
It's I never look at it like that, man, because
I went through the same thing when I went to
Kansas City and Tyreek Hill left.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
So I just come in there and be myself, you know,
whatever that version of myself is that's needed for the
team to help them win. You know that that's what
that's what it is. I've never really tried to say,
oh yeah, I want to come in and replace a guy,
you know. I think one of the best things that
I've ever learned from DeVante was just come in and
be yourself, you know. Don't try to come in and
emulate me. Don't try to come in and emulate Cob
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you know, laf Fiz Jerald my favorite receiver growing up.
Don't try to be that guy. Just just yourself. That's
what got you here. And so just going in and
and being myself is the goal. Man. It's never about
you know, what anybody else did before me or after me,
and man, it's it's all about you. Know who I
am to be the best version of myself.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
It wasn't on the question list, But is Sauce Gardner
the best cornerback in the NFL? Because you're gonna be
going upgainst him twice a season?
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Nah, man, I think I think Snead is the best
corner really, man, just being you know, with him for
two years and just watching him play, man, I think
that he just has a very unique skill set. You
know that a lot of guys just just.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Don't have the physical nature.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah, man, just his his intelligence. You know, I'm excited
to see what he does, you know, in Tennessee. But
I think I think he's one of the best corners
in the league. Man.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Last last question is you played the Dolphins in the
coldest game I think in like the NFL playoff history.
Go ahead, tell yeah, man, one of those guys going
out shirtless before.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
The game or no, nah Man. You know, I'm a
Florida boy, so I'm trying to stay inside as long
as I can until let's kick off time. But you know,
it's it was definitely inhumane for us to be out there. Man.
It was it was cold, but you know, obviously it
was it was cold for them too. You know. Uh,
we lived in it in Kansas City, so we had
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a bit of advantage there. But yeah, it was it
was brutal, but you know, we we got it over
quick and we went on a nice little Ryan to
you know, go on the road and beat Buffalo and
then go and beat the Ravens, you know, then ultimately
win another Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Amazing playoff front. Congrats Mark west Valdez Galing, great stuff.
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Speaker 5 (19:38):
Hey, what's up everybody.
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Speaker 5 (19:46):
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Speaker 4 (20:21):
Welcome in to the Herd here on a beautiful Friday
in Los Angeles. It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And very excited.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I had an amazing night last night. I watched a
gripping soccer match that did not end well for us.
Then I watched, you know, the NBA Draft second round,
Brownie James.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Of course, you know what I did do last night,
Alex what Alex Curry? I did not watch two senior
citizens argue at Bingo night. I did not do that, Jam,
You didn't do it.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I don't need to get into that right now. It
was a tough night for America all around, soccer wise,
debate wise. But we did get some history, as you
mentioned in the NBA Draft, with the first ever father
son duo possibly playing together on team.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, that's gonna be apic. Let's focus on the positives
from history.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Hey, let's sports, shall we, And let's start with USA soccer.
Boy this team, oh boy, it was a rough one.
I gathered the family around the TV guys got a
big one, gonna take down Panama, and oh boy, it
ended in spectacular disaster, conceding a goal late in the
match and losing to Lowly Panama.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Sorry Panama fans, yeah, Lowly two.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
To one, and now it's winner go home Monday night
against Uruguay.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It's a big one.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
You're gonna want to reshape your plans for Monday night
in Kansas City. It's a tough spot for the USA
Soccer Club. Listen, you guys know this. In America we
love winners. We love winners, and globally we dominate a
lot of sports. You go look at the Olympics, Tennis, golf, basketball,
on down the list, swimming, track and field, the US rules.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
We're great at everything. We cannot figure out this soccer thing.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
It always seems to be one step forward, two steps back.
And we've got this golden generation of US soccer players.
You go on down the list, Polisic, Adams, McKinney, Eunice Musa,
who inexplicably did not play yesterday. What the hell, Berholter,
We got this golden generation. All these guys are between
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twenty one and twenty six. We're ascending, We're competing with
some of the best. We tied Brazil recently, and all
signs are pointing up. We're going Copa America. We can
make the final. We've got this. We're preparing for the
World Cup on our turf in twenty twenty six. And
then we go out last night and Tim Wa, a
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very promising h wing, gets a foolish, silly red card.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
There's no way around it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
He screwed and I don't That doesn't mean go after
Tim Way on social media like the jabbronis are doing.
He made a mistake, he had dumb, a dumb, foolish mistake.
Here he is, you can see on FS one clobbering
a guy in the head. Now he was frustrated. If
that's a shove to the chest, it's not a red card.
I can't really argue it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You know, ways screwed up.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Still, Nevertheless, after that flow Balligan, a young promising stud
on our team, I mean, puts in what's called a golazo,
just a left footed, awesome strike.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We're up one nothing, Yes, we've got this, we can
hold it down. Everything's looking great.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Four minutes later we give up the equalizer, and then
from that point on it was just a stressful. I
think it was like the next sixty five minutes were
full of stress, and of course we can see it
in the eighty third minute now and then we lose
two to one.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Now, yesterday we.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Talked with Alexi Lawless and it was very clear Greg
Burholter at the minimum needs to get the US out
of the group stage and into the knocks.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's the bare minimum.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well, yesterday after the match, Alexi Lalas went off on Burholter.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
We've talked so much about this tournament being an assessment
of this team, an assessment of head coach Greg Burholter
relative to getting out of the group and playing against
the likes of Columbia and Brazil. Well, you know what
that challenge and that assessment and that ultimate assessment is
now going to happen in the third game against Uruguay,
and they better be up for it because if they
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do not go through, Greg Burholter is going to lose
his job, and rightfully and fairly so. But this is
a situation that this team, including Greg Burholter, have created
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Now find a way to get out of it.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
He's not wrong, and listen, we've been here before. The
US always puts himself in difficult spots where it's win
advanced winning get in and you know remember the great
Landon Donovan goal in the World Cup many moons ago.
Last World Cup against Iran, we had an amazing game.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I know it's Iran. Yes, we can't lose. On Monday.
We gotta beat Urugad. We're gonna be underdogs. I looked
this up.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Uruguay has one loss since October, okay, and they've beaten
the likes of Argentina and Brazil in that same time frame,
and they shelled Mexico recently, so it's gonna be difficult.
I'll close on this. For USA Soccer. We talked also yesterday.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
With Lallis about how this team is. You know, the
US has had.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
The most accomplished group of players playing overseas, but in
some ways they're not.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm not calling them soft.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
They just don't have that hard scrabble, gritty, tough resolve
feel that they used to have. And yesterday, if you
look at the fowls, Panama got away with murder nineteen fouls,
the US had four. They bullied us, they pushed us around,
they pushed our buttons. We took the bait and I'm
just saying they've got to get back to their old
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ways of fighting, because this Uruguay team put it on
Bolivia last night.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I watched that over the old.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Guy senior citizens. They scored five goals against Bolivia. I mean,
just a total bloodbath. The USA must come out Monday,
otherwise when this show reconvenes next week, we're gonna be
talking about next head coaching options for USA Soccer. All right,
Let's get to the NBA Draft, which was split into
two nights for the first time I believe ever. And
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I think this was partially done because Lebron's son, Bronnie
James was going.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To go in the second round. Everybody knew he was
gonna go fifty five.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
There were some fun scenarios or someone else tries to
steal him, but that wasn't.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Really gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
We'll get to the rich Paul scaring teams later in
the show, but I want to kind of focus on
Bronny going fifty five, the Lakers, Lebron, all that fun stuff,
because this is a great story father son duo teaming
up in the NBA. How can you not love it?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yet?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Here we are the usual suspects, the haters, the naysayers.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Oh this is nepotism. How can this happen?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, these same Jabbroni's these meatballs. Where were they when
Yannis was getting his brother on the bucks? Where were
they when my Knicks Jr. Smith was on the next
Jarre Smith's like, hey, can.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
We get my brother on the team. He joined the team.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
This nepotism happens in sports. It happens in business. It
happens in entertainment, music, movies. It happens in coaching in
college basketball. Hey, by the way, guys, is Andy Reid's son.
Was he qualified to be a position coach in the NFL?
You can go look up his resume? How was he
a position coach?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
This happens everywhere.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I don't know why people are so worked up about
Lebron and Bronnie.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It seems a little bit excessive.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
And when you listen to Rob Polinka talk about the
Bronny decision, it was a no brainer.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Here's Rob Polinka last night.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
In the history of the NBA, there's never been a
father and a son that have shared an NBA basketball court,
And that feels like something that could be magical. And
we know and have to respect, of course, that Lebron
has a decision about his opt out. But if it
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worked out that he was on our team next season,
NBA history could be made, and NBA history should be
made in a Lakers' uniform.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I like that. That's nice. I like brod Polinka sentiment.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Now I should turn back the clock just a little
bit for my favorite nepotism story of all time. You
guys know I'm a hardcore college hoops fan. I talked
about it yesterday. So there was this guy named Danny
Manning back in the day who was the best recruit
in the country. I mean, he was phenomenal and he
was down to Kansas and North Carolina. So the Kansas
coach at the time was Larry Brown. Okay, Danny Manning
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awesome recruit. His father had been a truck driver for
four years. This was written about in the New York Times.
You can look it up. His dad was a truck driver.
So what did Larry Brown do? He went and hired
Danny Manning's dad as an assistant coach. Hey, come on
the staff in Kansas, and what would you know, a
couple days later, Danny Manning picked Kansas.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Kind of worked out for the Jayhawks.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Danny Manning, Danny and the miracles led Kansas to an
awesome title, and I vividly remember that championship because I'm
a college basketball nerd. This kind of thing happens. Nepotism's
gonna happen. Just it's not the end of the world.
There's no reason that Lebron shouldn't get what he wants,
which brings me to Lebron and what I think is
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an incredible theory. It was kind of poop pooed in
the staff meeting. I don't know how it'll go over now,
so let's take it all into consideration here.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
So Lebron can opt out, he can change teams, he
can go anywhere. There was the small, veiled threat that
I don't think anybody took seriously, but it was out there. Hey,
if bronni's drafted by Utah, maybe I'll go to Utah
or Phoenix. And remember Golden State went after Lebron back
at the turn deadline in I think February.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, so take all of it into account and hear
me out.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
A magician never shows his tricks, so I don't expect
Lebron to ever confirm any of this. But what's to
say Lebron didn't go to the Lakers and say, hey, guys,
I got this amazing podcasting partner.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You may know him. His name is JJ Reddick. He'd
make a phenomenal coach.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Wait till he gets to the whiteboard, he's gonna wow you. Fine,
Lebron will take a look at Reddick and oh, by
the way, guys, could you do me a solid and
draft my son at fifty five?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Fine, Lebron will capitulate, We'll do what you want, and
then internally Lakers are probably like, damn, the Miami Heat
did like everything Lebron wanted.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Then he left him high and dry. Is he gonna
screw us?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
But this is thirty nine year old Lebron who's forty
in December. Is there a world whereas Lebron breaks down
and the hey, can we get Reddick as a coach?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah? Sure, Lebron. Hey can we draft my son? Yeah?
Lebron says, well, I'm gonna do you guys as solid.
You hooked me up. I'm near the end.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Instead of taking a max deal, can you just I
don't know, workshop it out for me?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Hey, would we look like if I took less than
the max.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Say, instead of fifty five sixty million, what if I
took forty if I took forty five mils. Is there
a world where you can present to me free agent
options that we could land, because listen, I don't trust
any front offices.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
They screwed me in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Everywhere I go in the league front office is mess
things up. So is there a world where you guys
could say, Hey, look, we can get DeMar Derozian on
the cheap.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He wants to be in LA he'll play for us.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
We could get Tobias Harris on the chief as a
seventh guy.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
There's a world where Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Can you guys give me what I want Reddick and
my son and in return, you know what, wink wink,
I'll take less than the max and we can add a.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Couple more guys in free agency. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Klay Thompson so far spent most of his summer out
here in Los Angeles, out in.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The beach cities. Can we get Can we steal Clay
from Steph Curry? Is that possible?
Speaker 9 (31:50):
Now?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I know Clay wants all the money and all the years. Hey, Clay,
come play with us in La. Stick it to the Warriors.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
The Lebron influence is strong. I just wonder Lebron's gotten
everything he wants from the Lakers so far? Does he
in exchange?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Say, you know what, I'm thirty nine, I don't need
to play for the max. I'm still gonna be a billionaire. Yeah,
I'll take a little less. Can you tell me for
sure who we're gonna land and we could get right
back on top because I'm just telling you, we may
break it down later, maybe next week.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The Western Conference there is no dominant team. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
If you guys saw what happened in Denver, KCP all
of a sudden doesn't look like he's going back. Could
KCP be returning to the Lakers. He did win a
chip with Lebron and ad is there a I'm just
saying there are scenarios where the Lakers, hey, Lebron scratch
our back, We'll scratch yours, And that's.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
How some of these deals are done.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I know people want to pooh poo nepotism and bast
the Lakers. I think it's a little overblown, and maybe
I'm being too optimistic and too positive and pro Lebron,
but I would think he's gotten everything he wants so far.
I think Lebron will probably in turn make some concessions
with the Lakers as we had in a free agency,
which starts, I think this weekend. So Alex, listen, I
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know that's a wild theory, and I'm sure Laker fans
are loving it or hating it. Where are you on
that any shot Lebron takes less than the max, He's
never taken less than the max.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
When it comes to money.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
I never want to suggest to an athlete to take less,
but if there was ever an athlete that could, Lebron
is one of those people. He is a billionaire and
he has this media empire. But again, like the Lakers
pride themselves in taking care of their own and this
is a perfect example of what they've done.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Right, you were talking about it earlier.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
I mean, if they wanted to keep Lebron, this is
something that they had to do to get Bronnie. He
said he wanted to play with his son. It has
never been done before, a father son duo playing in
the NBA, and Lebron James is the all.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Time greatest score in the history of the NBA.
Speaker 10 (33:53):
He's one of the greatest players in the game, one
of the most impactful players we have ever seen. This
needed to have if you wanted to move forward with
Lebron James. And what's going to motivate Lebron James more
than himself wanting to win a title, wanting to win
one for his son. With his son, I'm going to
Vegas this weekend. I'm putting money on the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Oh. I like that.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I like it.
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Here we are hours away from Young Men's Lives Week
chaired the NBA Draft, which apparently is the two day
events on a year in which I don't know how
many of you can name half the players or even
three quarters of the players in day one of the
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two day event, although Day two of the events will
probably bring us a complete Bronnie James discussion, and we'll
get to whether or not we should or should not
be discussing Ronnie James upcoming got a heck of a
show for you. We will talk some NFL. Jeff Howe's
going to join us a little bit later on this hour,
plus Magic Johnson likens himself and Larry Bird to who
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you'll find out a little bit later on this hour.
But let's begin with the news of the day. McHale
Bridges is traded to the New York Knicks, and there
was a do you like plethora? Do you like cornucopia
or do you like Schmorgesborg of picks? Pick pick which
one you want. Either way, it doesn't matter. The Knicks
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end up landing McHale Bridges. Now, Bridges is a guy
who when he's the third or fourth option is remarkable.
When he's the number one option, he's good. But you
know you're limited as a team. You're not gonna win
or compete for an NBA championship. Nonetheless, that is a
big time get for the New York Knickerbuckers, who now
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have four Villanova players on it. Four that one at
least parts of, if not someone two national championships. And
there's a lot that goes with it, right, What does
it mean for the rest of the New York Knicks roster?
You know, do they they stamp pat what do they
do with Hartenstein, what do they do with the other players?
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But I think let's just focus on why would you
want for Villanova guys, Well, it's obvious you want to
surround yourself with winners, But this is about culture. It's
about culture, right. The greatest respect you can have or
say to a radio guy is I was listening to
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your show. I got to my house and I couldn't
get out of my car until you went to break,
Or even more impressively, is I listened through a break
because I wanted to hear what you were going to
say next. Like that is an unbelievable compliment to a
radio guy. To a radio guy, you know, when when
a coach watches your team, Like I remember, I was
(03:24):
actually giving a little pregame talk in Phoenix before the
national championship game, and I look in the audience and
there's Tubby Smith. And I started interviewing Tubby Smith because
I mean, he's won national championship, he's an incredibly legendary
man and coach in the in the profession of coaching basketball.
(03:45):
And he said, you know, I just want to stick
around and see what you had to say. I was, Wow,
it's like respect. He cannot get any more respect for
a college program than four of their guys. And when
Jalen Bruns was signed by the New York Knicks, many
were critical of how much they spent on it. Now,
obviously most everybody's back pedaled and said, hey, I was wrong,
(04:08):
and it's fine. But my point too was it didn't
actually have to do with the points and the assists.
It has to do with the fact that New York
for so long had been a place that no one
wanted to play. You know how many times has Lebron
James been a free agent said eh, never want to
(04:28):
play there. Remember, the New York Knicks moved heaven and
earth to try and get Kevin Durant, and when he
wanted to bring Kyrie Irving with him, they sort of passed.
He ended up with the Brooklyn Nets. But nonetheless, the
fact that the Knicks wanted him. He was a free agent,
he talked to the Knicks and didn't go there. The
Knicks that were not a destination. It was because there
was just what was the what was the magnet who
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was had the gravitational pull that was pulling people in?
And I believe that's Sjalen Brunson. But what the Knicks
have have come to understand is what many people in
business already know is that culture is just about everything.
And I get it, Like, there's gonna be limitations. Josh
Harts has limitations as a player, not a great player,
(05:16):
but man, he's a good for your culture. I know
Dante DiVincenzo and that elimination game had a great game,
and we know him as white Dante from the National
Championship Game. But in truth, he's probably best off being
a bench player. Mikhale Bridges again, he's if he's your
third or fourth offensive option, you're really good. And Jalen
Brunson's probably best if he's your second best offensive scorer.
(05:40):
But I was I was at a let's call it
a symposium a couple of weeks ago, and it was
all about culture and purpose Doug Goldibn for Colin this
is the herd. And one of the statements made was like, look,
if you invest in people, if you really invest in culture,
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your growth for your company is going to increase ten x.
And the point is that I understand how on paper,
on paper, it looks like one thing on paper, it
looks like, ah, we got overspent On Michale Bridges, he's
just an okay player. Maybe we're a little bit better
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OG and nobody has gone how much better can they be?
But I think when your culture is as good as
it will be with those four Villanova guys, I think
you'll have an increase of ten x. I think others
will follow, and I think you're gonna have a really
good team. I think that becomes a team where you
think that that's next to the Celtics, the most competitive
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team in the East. And look, I could tell you
that there were times in my life where I would say, ah,
we're over selling culture and you just got to go
get the best guys possible. But the Boston Celtics don't
have the best players possible. Jason Tatum's awesome, Jaylen Brown's
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very good. But they have great culture. They buy into
their roles and that's why they're successful. And that investment
in culture is one of the things that's paid off
for them winning an NBA title. And I think the
Knicks are sitting there going like, all right, Villanova is
the was the model team, was the model college basketball program.
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Culture wins, competitiveness wins, smart wins. That's all Villanova. Let's
just go get a bunch of Villanova guys. Don't know
what the price is. Hey, you know what kind of
agree with them? I do kind of agree with them.
Doug Otlibin for Colinis The Herd. You're on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeartRadio app. What a show we got
(07:58):
for you. Now, the question becomes in the NBA draft
do you draft for culture or do you just draft
for talent? Like that's a real thing. Do you draft
for culture or do you draft for talent? The Knicks
trade for Michale Bridges. That obviously gets them some talent,
but a lot of culture. What happens in tonight's NBA draft?
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Coming up next? In The Herd, the Dolphins and Tua
are at an impasse. What should the Dolphins do next?
We'll discuss.
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Speaker 4 (08:42):
Back here on the Herd, we have a great guest
in studio. First time in studio. Oh boy, here we go.
He is gone from Aaron Rodgers to Patrick Mahomes and
now he's in Buffalo with Josh Allen, what a charm life.
Marquez Valdez scandling in the building.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
How are you, my man?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I'm good, man, I'm good, I'm good. I'm happy to
be here.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Excellent.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Now I just learned, you know, we had all these
battery of questions ready for him. And then I start
talking to him during the commercial break and I find
out he was hanging out with Aaron Rodgers yesterday out
here in LA. So obviously this is breaking news for
much of it at the NFL audience, tell us about it.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, me and me
and Aaron been a great friends since I've been in
Green Bay. I hit him up till I was coming
out to LA and so let's let's run some routes.
So we got it in man, went out to some
some high school and ran some routes together. So it
was good. It was good.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, So all the New York media can stand down.
Aaron Rogers just back from Egypt. It's not it's not
a secret anymore. And he's hanging out with MVS.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I like the earring.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
By the way, it's MVS. He's got his own line
of stuff, obviously, because he's a star. Where do you
want to start here? I mean you go from Rogers
to Mahomes and now to Josh Allen, Like that is
as good as it gets.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah, man, I'm I'm grateful. You know. When I when
I came out of college, I was like, man, I
don't want to go anywhere cold, and it ended up
in Green Bay. But I think that was the the
biggest blessing that I had. You know, Obviously, my four
years there were great. I got to learn from, you know,
one of the best receivers to ever play this game
in Davonte Adams, and then being able to learn under
guys like Randall Cobb, it was huge. And obviously playing
(10:13):
with Aaron Man, you know, you know that those are
one of those situations that you know, you dream of
as a kid. You know, I grew up watching these
guys play, you know, on Sunday night football and you know,
walk into the locker room and my first day I
see Aaron Cobb and Davante you know, sitting at the
table and Aaron calls me over, you know, and called
(10:34):
me by my name, you know. So that was one
of those moments that I'll never forget and told me
how much he you know, admired my play and so
that can help his team. You know. So those are
probably the moment that he doesn't even remember, but you know,
that was one of the things that just will stick
with me forever.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
So you had a great run obviously with the Packers.
Then you go to the Chiefs and it's like, oh,
is what a super Bowl? They tell me how first
of all, Rogers and Mahomes are different off the field
and then in the huddle.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, there are two
different types of leaders. You know, pass a lot more vocal,
you know, rally the team. You know, Aaron's more you know,
writing your face, you know, talk to you, writing your
face opposed to the whole team. Heels to each individual
and Pat addresses the whole team. But they're they're both
great at what they do. You know, they lead in
(11:21):
different ways. They're both super competitive. I think that's you know,
one of those things that between those two guys, you know,
that's the biggest similarity into them. You know, obviously the
arm talent and you know what they can do off
schedule and the throws that they can make, but just
the competitiveness that that they both have. You know, I
was grateful to have those two guys as my my
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first two quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm sure the numbers say one thing for deep ball accuracy,
but for your money, Rogers or Mahomes, who was the
better deep ball thrower?
Speaker 5 (11:50):
For you, man? I don't know. I think you know,
I think they both had different skill sets when it
came to it. You know, obviously I got Aaron and
year seventeen had in year six, you know, so you know,
obviously you know, Pat had a stronger arm, you know,
when it came to it, but you know, and was
just so pinpoint with everything that he did, you know,
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So I think that the skill sets were just so different.
But those two guys, man, it was it was great
to be a part of that.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Walk me through the Super Bowl against the Niners. I
had forty nine ers winning. If forty nineers were in
total control, it felt like to me at least. But
I'm just curious what they told me about halftime because
it seemed like you guys were kind of in trouble,
especially third quarter. Mahomes throws the pick and it's like, oh,
here we go. But at halftime, was there any concern
at all?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Or is it. We've been here, nah, man, I think
you know the great teams that you know, battle through
diversity all year. It was it was no flinch out
of us. You know. I knew that, you know, and
we knew that we deserve to be there. We knew
that we just had to settle down and just play
our game of football. And you know, obviously we had
been through ups and downs all year, and you know,
(12:59):
it was no different in the Super Bowl, and so
that kind of prepared us, you know, for for those
moments and to never ever have to flinch. Coach Reid
does a great job just preparing guys for all the
situations and and never be blindsided by the moment. And
so I'm forever grateful that I had a coach like
that to kind of prepare the team in that manner.
And you know, it showed in the Super Bowl, showed
in the last two Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You caught a touchdown pass obviously, just an incredible comeback
and victory for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I don't know, take me through like the fourth quarter and.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Overtime, man, it was a it was a crazy thing, man,
because obviously, you know we have to go down to
tie that game. In the last quarter, right before right
before it ends, and then to go and watched them
get the ball first, and you know they decided to say, hey,
we'll take it first and leave us to figure it
out after. And then you know, we just went and
(13:49):
drove that field and won the game. I was, you know,
part of a couple of those calls to you know,
get us some first downs and you know, making some
plays to help us getting that position. So it was
a it was a great experience. Man.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
What is that, would you say, to date highlight of
your career?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Uh? Nah, man, you know obviously, I think, you know,
scoring in Super Bowl. A lot of guys can't say
that they did that. But you know, there's been monumental moments,
you know, part of our career, you know, even the struggles,
you know, even the drop versus Philly in the season.
I think that was, you know, a big moment for
me just to say, hey man, you can still do this,
(14:25):
you know, and and shake back you know. So I think,
you know, that was that was a big moment for me,
just to say, hey man, people are still going to
count on you.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Oh so let's go back to that to drop. If
memory serves it, was like over right around like the
was it.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
In the end zone?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah, right, two yard line or something like that. You know,
it was a third down the a couple of seconds
left in the game. It was raining, you know, we
got you know, was supposed to not rain that the
whole day and we ended up getting rained the entire game.
You know. And then you know, obviously that was a
rematch from the Super Bowl the year before, and you know,
they kind of me to go make that play and
I didn't. But you know, I was able to kind
(15:02):
of battle through that, man, and get through you know,
those those sorrows and keep going. Man. You know, I've
never waivered you. My faith always stayed high. You know,
I'll leave to myself. My confidence never kind of dropped down.
I know I can go make a play. And then
throughout the throughout the rest of the season, I just
kept making those plays when they needed me.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I gotta say, that's pretty cool. You brought that up.
There's some people who don't want to talk about their lows.
You you brought that up. I wasn't gonna ask about it.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, No, it's cool, man. It's all a part of
my story. Man. You I've never run from it. You know,
it made me know who I am today. You know,
I battled through.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
When there's some athletes, uh these days have the rabbit ears,
like for instance, Kevin Duran and the NBA, Like you'll
say something about him online, he'll come and find you
in DM and get older.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
In the NFL a little less so, but there's some
of that. There's some punching back.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
How are you handling social media after like a game
like the Eagles game?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Met It don't bother me, man. I'm from the south
side of Saint Petersburg, Florida. Man, I've seen way whereas
things in real life. You know, So anybody behind and
behind a camera or you know, have behind their phone
to say whatever they got to say, you know, to
make themselves feel better from their mom's basement or you
know the you know, their their work office Internet. It's cool, man,
You know, I love the passion that y'all you know,
(16:14):
fans have, but you know we are still people, you know.
But at the end of the day, Man, it don't
bother me.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Have you had any teammates you've seen struggle with it?
I'm listen, I've worked with people who they can't handle it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
When people are bombarding them, Yes, what do you say
to them?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You know, it's we know what we do in real life,
you know, you know the work that we put in
in real life. You know in this building, you know
where that building is. You know whether it's s Green Bay,
Kansas City, Buffalo. You know, the the adversity that you
had to battle to get to where you are today.
None of those fans will never understand that, you know.
So those are the things that you kind of just
got to remember, you know, and these people don't know,
(16:49):
you know what you really went through, you know how
to get where you are now.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'll ask about the Buffalo bills and again, like I
got to be careful how I frame this because you know,
earlier we were talking about Brandon Auk and some stuff
he's doing on social media. As you know, I know
people don't like the word diva, but like Stefan Diggs
has went through a lot in Buffalo and they kind
of moved on from him, and now they bring you
in and you guys aren't the same receiver. But it's
almost like a breath of fresh air. Look look at
(17:13):
how calm you are bringing up big drops Like that's
pretty cool that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I guess. How how do you walk into a locker
room knowing you're kind of replaced?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I know, Gabe Davis is going too, but like you're
now one of the guys.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
It's I never look at it like that, man, because
I went through the same thing when I went to
Kansas City and Tyreek Hill left.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
So I just come in there and be myself, you know,
whatever that version of myself is that's needed for the
team to help them win. You know that that's what
that's what it is. I've never really tried to say,
oh yeah, I want to come in and replace a guy,
you know. I think one of the best things that
I've ever learned from DeVante was just come in and
be yourself, you know. Don't try to come in and
emulate me. Don't try to come in and emulate Cob
(17:55):
you know, laf Fiz Jerald my favorite receiver growing up.
Don't try to be that guy. Just just yourself. That's
what got you here. And so just going in and
and being myself is the goal. Man. It's never about
you know, what anybody else did before me or after me,
and man, it's it's all about you. Know who I
am to be the best version of myself.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
It wasn't on the question list, But is Sauce Gardner
the best cornerback in the NFL? Because you're gonna be
going upgainst him twice a season?
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Nah, man, I think I think Snead is the best
corner really, man, just being you know, with him for
two years and just watching him play, man, I think
that he just has a very unique skill set. You
know that a lot of guys just just.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Don't have the physical nature.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah, man, just his his intelligence. You know, I'm excited
to see what he does, you know, in Tennessee. But
I think I think he's one of the best corners
in the league. Man.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Last last question is you played the Dolphins in the
coldest game I think in like the NFL playoff history.
Go ahead, tell yeah, man, one of those guys going
out shirtless before.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
The game or no, nah Man. You know, I'm a
Florida boy, so I'm trying to stay inside as long
as I can until let's kick off time. But you know,
it's it was definitely inhumane for us to be out there. Man.
It was it was cold, but you know, obviously it
was it was cold for them too. You know. Uh,
we lived in it in Kansas City, so we had
(19:14):
a bit of advantage there. But yeah, it was it
was brutal, but you know, we we got it over
quick and we went on a nice little Ryan to
you know, go on the road and beat Buffalo and
then go and beat the Ravens, you know, then ultimately
win another Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Amazing playoff front. Congrats Mark west Valdez Galing, great stuff.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 5 (19:38):
Hey, what's up everybody.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
It's me three time pro bowler LeVar Arrington and I
couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast cold Up
on Game.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
What is Up on Game?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler t J.
Huschman Zada and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right, Plexico Burris.
You can only name a show with that type of
talent on it Up on Game. We're going to be
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Speaker 4 (20:21):
Welcome in to the Herd here on a beautiful Friday
in Los Angeles. It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And very excited.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I had an amazing night last night. I watched a
gripping soccer match that did not end well for us.
Then I watched, you know, the NBA Draft second round,
Brownie James.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Of course, you know what I did do last night,
Alex what Alex Curry? I did not watch two senior
citizens argue at Bingo night. I did not do that, Jam,
You didn't do it.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I don't need to get into that right now. It
was a tough night for America all around, soccer wise,
debate wise. But we did get some history, as you
mentioned in the NBA Draft, with the first ever father
son duo possibly playing together on team.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, that's gonna be apic. Let's focus on the positives
from history.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Hey, let's sports, shall we, And let's start with USA soccer.
Boy this team, oh boy, it was a rough one.
I gathered the family around the TV guys got a
big one, gonna take down Panama, and oh boy, it
ended in spectacular disaster, conceding a goal late in the
match and losing to Lowly Panama.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Sorry Panama fans, yeah, Lowly two.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
To one, and now it's winner go home Monday night
against Uruguay.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
It's a big one.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
You're gonna want to reshape your plans for Monday night
in Kansas City. It's a tough spot for the USA
Soccer Club. Listen, you guys know this. In America we
love winners. We love winners, and globally we dominate a
lot of sports. You go look at the Olympics, Tennis, golf, basketball,
on down the list, swimming, track and field, the US rules.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
We're great at everything. We cannot figure out this soccer thing.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
It always seems to be one step forward, two steps back.
And we've got this golden generation of US soccer players.
You go on down the list, Polisic, Adams, McKinney, Eunice Musa,
who inexplicably did not play yesterday. What the hell, Berholter,
We got this golden generation. All these guys are between
(22:31):
twenty one and twenty six. We're ascending, We're competing with
some of the best. We tied Brazil recently, and all
signs are pointing up. We're going Copa America. We can
make the final. We've got this. We're preparing for the
World Cup on our turf in twenty twenty six. And
then we go out last night and Tim Wa, a
(22:52):
very promising h wing, gets a foolish, silly red card.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
There's no way around it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
He screwed and I don't That doesn't mean go after
Tim Way on social media like the jabbronis are doing.
He made a mistake, he had dumb, a dumb, foolish mistake.
Here he is, you can see on FS one clobbering
a guy in the head. Now he was frustrated. If
that's a shove to the chest, it's not a red card.
I can't really argue it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You know, ways screwed up.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Still, Nevertheless, after that flow Balligan, a young promising stud
on our team, I mean, puts in what's called a golazo,
just a left footed, awesome strike.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We're up one nothing, Yes, we've got this, we can
hold it down. Everything's looking great.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Four minutes later we give up the equalizer, and then
from that point on it was just a stressful. I
think it was like the next sixty five minutes were
full of stress, and of course we can see it
in the eighty third minute now and then we lose
two to one.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Now, yesterday we.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Talked with Alexi Lawless and it was very clear Greg
Burholter at the minimum needs to get the US out
of the group stage and into the knocks.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's the bare minimum.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well, yesterday after the match, Alexi Lalas went off on Burholter.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
We've talked so much about this tournament being an assessment
of this team, an assessment of head coach Greg Burholter
relative to getting out of the group and playing against
the likes of Columbia and Brazil. Well, you know what
that challenge and that assessment and that ultimate assessment is
now going to happen in the third game against Uruguay,
and they better be up for it because if they
(24:26):
do not go through, Greg Burholter is going to lose
his job, and rightfully and fairly so. But this is
a situation that this team, including Greg Burholter, have created
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Now find a way to get out of it.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
He's not wrong, and listen, we've been here before. The
US always puts himself in difficult spots where it's win
advanced winning get in and you know remember the great
Landon Donovan goal in the World Cup many moons ago.
Last World Cup against Iran, we had an amazing game.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I know it's Iran. Yes, we can't lose. On Monday.
We gotta beat Urugad. We're gonna be underdogs. I looked
this up.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Uruguay has one loss since October, okay, and they've beaten
the likes of Argentina and Brazil in that same time frame,
and they shelled Mexico recently, so it's gonna be difficult.
I'll close on this. For USA Soccer. We talked also yesterday.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
With Lallis about how this team is. You know, the
US has had.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
The most accomplished group of players playing overseas, but in
some ways they're not.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm not calling them soft.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
They just don't have that hard scrabble, gritty, tough resolve
feel that they used to have. And yesterday, if you
look at the fowls, Panama got away with murder nineteen fouls,
the US had four. They bullied us, they pushed us around,
they pushed our buttons. We took the bait and I'm
just saying they've got to get back to their old
(25:52):
ways of fighting, because this Uruguay team put it on
Bolivia last night.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, I watched that over the old.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Guy senior citizens. They scored five goals against Bolivia. I mean,
just a total bloodbath. The USA must come out Monday,
otherwise when this show reconvenes next week, we're gonna be
talking about next head coaching options for USA Soccer. All right,
Let's get to the NBA Draft, which was split into
two nights for the first time I believe ever. And
(26:18):
I think this was partially done because Lebron's son, Bronnie
James was going.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To go in the second round. Everybody knew he was
gonna go fifty five.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
There were some fun scenarios or someone else tries to
steal him, but that wasn't.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Really gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
We'll get to the rich Paul scaring teams later in
the show, but I want to kind of focus on
Bronny going fifty five, the Lakers, Lebron, all that fun stuff,
because this is a great story father son duo teaming
up in the NBA. How can you not love it?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yet?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Here we are the usual suspects, the haters, the naysayers.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Oh this is nepotism. How can this happen?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, these same Jabbroni's these meatballs. Where were they when
Yannis was getting his brother on the bucks? Where were
they when my Knicks Jr. Smith was on the next
Jarre Smith's like, hey, can.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
We get my brother on the team. He joined the team.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
This nepotism happens in sports. It happens in business. It
happens in entertainment, music, movies. It happens in coaching in
college basketball. Hey, by the way, guys, is Andy Reid's son.
Was he qualified to be a position coach in the NFL?
You can go look up his resume? How was he
a position coach?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
This happens everywhere.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I don't know why people are so worked up about
Lebron and Bronnie.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It seems a little bit excessive.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
And when you listen to Rob Polinka talk about the
Bronny decision, it was a no brainer.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Here's Rob Polinka last night.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
In the history of the NBA, there's never been a
father and a son that have shared an NBA basketball court,
And that feels like something that could be magical. And
we know and have to respect, of course, that Lebron
has a decision about his opt out. But if it
(28:04):
worked out that he was on our team next season,
NBA history could be made, and NBA history should be
made in a Lakers' uniform.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I like that. That's nice. I like brod Polinka sentiment.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Now I should turn back the clock just a little
bit for my favorite nepotism story of all time. You
guys know I'm a hardcore college hoops fan. I talked
about it yesterday. So there was this guy named Danny
Manning back in the day who was the best recruit
in the country. I mean, he was phenomenal and he
was down to Kansas and North Carolina. So the Kansas
coach at the time was Larry Brown. Okay, Danny Manning
(28:41):
awesome recruit. His father had been a truck driver for
four years. This was written about in the New York Times.
You can look it up. His dad was a truck driver.
So what did Larry Brown do? He went and hired
Danny Manning's dad as an assistant coach. Hey, come on
the staff in Kansas, and what would you know, a
couple days later, Danny Manning picked Kansas.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Kind of worked out for the Jayhawks.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Danny Manning, Danny and the miracles led Kansas to an
awesome title, and I vividly remember that championship because I'm
a college basketball nerd. This kind of thing happens. Nepotism's
gonna happen. Just it's not the end of the world.
There's no reason that Lebron shouldn't get what he wants,
which brings me to Lebron and what I think is
(29:21):
an incredible theory. It was kind of poop pooed in
the staff meeting. I don't know how it'll go over now,
so let's take it all into consideration here.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
So Lebron can opt out, he can change teams, he
can go anywhere. There was the small, veiled threat that
I don't think anybody took seriously, but it was out there. Hey,
if bronni's drafted by Utah, maybe I'll go to Utah
or Phoenix. And remember Golden State went after Lebron back
at the turn deadline in I think February.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, so take all of it into account and hear
me out.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
A magician never shows his tricks, so I don't expect
Lebron to ever confirm any of this. But what's to
say Lebron didn't go to the Lakers and say, hey, guys,
I got this amazing podcasting partner.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
You may know him. His name is JJ Reddick. He'd
make a phenomenal coach.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Wait till he gets to the whiteboard, he's gonna wow you. Fine,
Lebron will take a look at Reddick and oh, by
the way, guys, could you do me a solid and
draft my son at fifty five?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
That would be awesome.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Fine, Lebron will capitulate, We'll do what you want, and
then internally Lakers are probably like, damn, the Miami Heat
did like everything Lebron wanted.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Then he left him high and dry. Is he gonna
screw us?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
But this is thirty nine year old Lebron who's forty
in December. Is there a world whereas Lebron breaks down
and the hey, can we get Reddick as a coach?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah? Sure, Lebron. Hey can we draft my son? Yeah?
Lebron says, well, I'm gonna do you guys as solid.
You hooked me up. I'm near the end.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Instead of taking a max deal, can you just I
don't know, workshop it out for me?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Hey, would we look like if I took less than
the max.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Say, instead of fifty five sixty million, what if I
took forty if I took forty five mils. Is there
a world where you can present to me free agent
options that we could land, because listen, I don't trust
any front offices.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
They screwed me in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Everywhere I go in the league front office is mess
things up. So is there a world where you guys
could say, Hey, look, we can get DeMar Derozian on
the cheap.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
He wants to be in LA he'll play for us.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
We could get Tobias Harris on the chief as a
seventh guy.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
There's a world where Lebron goes to the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Can you guys give me what I want Reddick and
my son and in return, you know what, wink wink,
I'll take less than the max and we can add a.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Couple more guys in free agency. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Klay Thompson so far spent most of his summer out
here in Los Angeles, out in.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The beach cities. Can we get Can we steal Clay
from Steph Curry? Is that possible?
Speaker 9 (31:50):
Now?
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I know Clay wants all the money and all the years. Hey, Clay,
come play with us in La. Stick it to the Warriors.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
The Lebron influence is strong. I just wonder Lebron's gotten
everything he wants from the Lakers so far? Does he
in exchange?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Say, you know what, I'm thirty nine, I don't need
to play for the max. I'm still gonna be a billionaire. Yeah,
I'll take a little less. Can you tell me for
sure who we're gonna land and we could get right
back on top because I'm just telling you, we may
break it down later, maybe next week.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The Western Conference there is no dominant team. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
If you guys saw what happened in Denver, KCP all
of a sudden doesn't look like he's going back. Could
KCP be returning to the Lakers. He did win a
chip with Lebron and ad is there a I'm just
saying there are scenarios where the Lakers, hey, Lebron scratch
our back, We'll scratch yours, And that's.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
How some of these deals are done.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I know people want to pooh poo nepotism and bast
the Lakers. I think it's a little overblown, and maybe
I'm being too optimistic and too positive and pro Lebron,
but I would think he's gotten everything he wants so far.
I think Lebron will probably in turn make some concessions
with the Lakers as we had in a free agency,
which starts, I think this weekend. So Alex, listen, I
(33:06):
know that's a wild theory, and I'm sure Laker fans
are loving it or hating it. Where are you on
that any shot Lebron takes less than the max, He's
never taken less than the max.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
When it comes to money.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
I never want to suggest to an athlete to take less,
but if there was ever an athlete that could, Lebron
is one of those people. He is a billionaire and
he has this media empire. But again, like the Lakers
pride themselves in taking care of their own and this
is a perfect example of what they've done.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Right, you were talking about it earlier.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
I mean, if they wanted to keep Lebron, this is
something that they had to do to get Bronnie. He
said he wanted to play with his son. It has
never been done before, a father son duo playing in
the NBA, and Lebron James is the all.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Time greatest score in the history of the NBA.
Speaker 10 (33:53):
He's one of the greatest players in the game, one
of the most impactful players we have ever seen. This
needed to have if you wanted to move forward with
Lebron James. And what's going to motivate Lebron James more
than himself wanting to win a title, wanting to win
one for his son. With his son, I'm going to
Vegas this weekend. I'm putting money on the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Oh. I like that.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I like it.
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Doug Gottlieb
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