July 9, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug tells you how he interpreted the words of Klay Thompson as he explained the reason he chose the Mavericks at his introductory press conference. Doug gives his take on Cooper Flagg. Doug welcomes former NBA executive and player Pat Garrity on to talk about the NBA off-season to this point. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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You know, there's something interesting that happened today with Klay Thompson.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, we'll talk about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Upcoming in in fifteen minutes. Something interesting happened with Klay Thompson.
If you've worked at a company for a long time,
I think in many ways you understand what happened between
Klay Thompson and the Warriors, and it really sucks, but
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there is something to it which I completely get. So
Klay Thompson is an all time great warrior. He's a
first ballot Hall of Famer. He's Game six Clay. And look,
if we're honest about it, he's not in the Hall
of really good that played for a really long time.
But he's also not in the elite, elite wing of
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the Hall of Fame, right like truth is a true
Hall of Fame. I think Klay Thompson would get in,
but the true Hall of Fame should be only the
best of the best of the best, and he was
probably the best pure.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Shooter in the league. R'm pure shooter.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And we could kind of get into the world stuff
courr is the greatest shooter of all time. Well, it's
it's different. Styles are different in terms of catch and
shoot shooter. I don't don't know if there's ever been
anyone as good as Clay. And he's a two way player.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
He played.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
He was a very good defender, but he was never
the best player on that team. An incredibly dangerous weapon
that had gravity and could hit you for twenty in
a second and did bail them out, especially against the
Oklahoma City Thunder in Game six. That's where he got
the Game six Clay reputational that the other game six.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But the point is.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
The point is Klay Thompson's the Hall of Famer, is
a great player. Today he had his press conference because
he is officially a Dallas Maverick, and he explained today
why he chose the Mavericks to be what's likely his
final home in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I'm very grateful for my time at Golden State, but
I just felt like moving on could just re energize
me and do something special for the rest of my career.
Dallas was so attracted because of the young players they have,
the style of play, the world class treatment these players
get from this organization, and just a beautiful city who
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loves their hoops. When I was watching the playoffs and
I'm watching the mass you know, make a run for
the championship, I just saw myself fitting in really well
with this team and the personnel, and they look like
they have fun playing with each other and they play
for each other, and that was very attractive for me,
and that's really all I needed to see. And there's
mutual interest there and that's why I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Here's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio right
somewhere in between hey, we want you back and we
love you, think you're the greatest ever is where where
Golden State landed and Dallas made him feel like he
was more important. Look, he chose Dallas, and Dallas was
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maybe the second, maybe the third highest bidder. I didn't
choose the Lakers, And we all talked about that, right,
We talked about that on this show about it and
how it's it is not sort of it is completely
damning towards the La Lakers to not have uh, you know,
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to not have Klay Thompson choose them when Klay Thompson
is kind of a lifelong Laker and that was always
thought to be, Hey, that's where he's gonna go, and
it just didn't work out that way and didn't work
out that way only because Clay chose to not go there. Right,
That's all that really happened. But I think we can
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all sort of relate, can't we, to what happened in
Golden State? And isn't that possible? Isn't that fair?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Like he'd been there for a long time, he felt
I don't want to say disenchanted, but he felt like
he wasn't feeling the love that that happens. It happens
in so many businesses. Hey, how many businesses have you
been a part of that? You've been there for a
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long time. I'm like, listen, I can tell you when
I was at ESPN. And one of the reasons that
ESPN has lost people over the years is not because
they had their final bid.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Isn't where it should be.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's a lot like the Paul George thing, a lot
like here with the with the Klay Thompson thing.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That first offer where.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
People want to come in low right, that first offer
is so low that you're like, what excuse me, I'll
give you a firsthand. Okay, Now this was not the
time I left ESPN, but after my first contract. The
way my first contract was structured was I got an
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amount of money for doing radio. And I did radio
at the time four days a week, six hours a day.
It's a show called Game Night with Chuck Wills.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Chuck is was just awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What a great teacher and human being to learn radio from.
I wasn't a college broadcasting student. I took one class
in the Journalism Broadcasting Building at Oklahoma State. It was
a marketing class. Actually two one was a sports law class.
Business law class be law with Andrew Yerick anyway, So
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I had no real background other than I'd done local
radio for a year and I had done spots on
other shows, and I'd filled in a local show. But
I don't really know anything about especially national sports radio.
And Chuck was my teacher. I worked one hundred and
eighty days. I also had eight contracted games, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That was my contract.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And the way it worked was if I was gonna
do TV, and the late Great Barry Sachs was running
ESPN News at the time. If I was gonna do TV,
I had to come in on days when I was
doing radio because I had an overage that means a
use above It's like overtime above that of my content.
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And it was I don't know what it was, one
thousand dollars a day or maybe more or something like that.
It's good money, but they didn't want to pay it.
And even though I was doing six hours radio, if
I want to do TV, fine, I had to do
it on a day I was doing radio. It was
a three year contract. By the end of the three
year contract, I was doing TV and getting paid additionally
for TV.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The first offer that came in was above that of
what my contract was, but it was below what I'd
actually made in the two previous years because somebody hadn't
been alerted to the fact that I was doing TV
and I was getting overage. So imagine if you're making
I don't know, fifty thousand dollars and at the end
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of the year, you clear seventy five thousand dollars and
somebody comes in and says, hey, great news, We're going
to pay you sixty five thousand dollars for the next
three years. Like, well, say, I've been making seventy five
thousand dollars the last two years.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
What do you like. You're giving me a pay cut,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
And eventually you negotiate and you threaten to go out,
and there becomes a window in which you can get
competition and you get closer and closer to the number
that you want. Even my final contract, which again by
the time I walked from ESPN, was a five year deal,
it was really good money. I have no issues with
the ESPN and all, but the initial contract was really
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flat of what I had made in the previous contract, Like, well,
we're gonna give you a three percent raise. That's what
we're gonna do. Okay, We're gonna give you a three
percent raise. And so I had to go out and negotiate,
got an offer from CBS, which actually ended up being
above that of ESPN. But the point is, and here's
how it relates to Paul George, here's how it relates
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to Klay Thompson is, even though that's not their final offer,
and even though that's all part of the business, when
you've been somewhere for my espno is there for nine years.
I mean, look at how long Klay Thompson has entire
career been spent in Golden State. When you come in,
you come in love, You're like, what are we doing?
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Just come in with what the final number is going
to be and have a real conversation. And the conversation is, hey,
now look the Klay Thompson thing they were They told
they were going to bring him off the bench. He
didn't want to come out the bench. And the truth is,
Clay Thompson doesn't need to come off the bench. He
just can't be your second best player. If you want
to win a championship, he has to be your fourth
or fifth best score to win a championship. That has
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to be the plan, and that's Dallas's plan and it
actually works. But we can call it agism, you know,
we could call it kind of timing out. There's a
certain born on date. It's almost like a relationship. Right,
have you ever ever heard that expression? Every for every
beautiful woman, there's a guy that's that's tired of being
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with her. Right, whatever it is, there is this sense
of complacency and maybe false of what loyalty means from
companies at times. And look, a lot of it is
a lot of it. There is truth to it. Right,
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when you get older, you're not a killer nearly as
much as you used to be. You won't grind like
you did in your twenties and thirties. You got a family,
you got kids, you got perspective. You can get all
your work done and get out and still be just
as effective in your own mind. Like you don't have
that same you want to have the same energy towards it.
But you're not like a psychopath. You're not like skipping
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birthdays and skipping recitals.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Like you're a human being as you should be.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And oh yeah, by the way, as an athlete, you're
not as productive as you need to be. Clay Thompson
is not a max player. Heck, Paul George isn't the
number one option by his own estimation. But there's a
way in which those conversations have to be at. There's
a way in which you have to negotiate, which is
different than any other sort of negotiation. And the different
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way is, hey, listen, here's the deal. Here's how is
the most we're going to pay you. We are not
going to negotiate with you out of respect to you,
and if you can't make a work for that, it's fine,
It's been awesome, but it's actually disrespectful to go through
the traditional process of le me go low, you go hi,
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We try and meet in the middle. Whoever ends up
on their side of the middle wins. Jase, Do am
I wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
That feels what happened to Clay and to a lesser extent,
Paul George feels like every negotiation for every employee that's
been in a company for a decade or more.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Ever, No, I think you're right. I think you're right.
And to add to that, I think that everyone who's
listening right now, including everybody in the studio. I think
shares one thing about their job. They want to be
valued by the people that employ them. They want to
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feel valued. And I just think that the longer you
stay at a place, the more chances there are of
feeling devalued or taking advantage of or complacency sets in.
And I just think that Clay reached that point with
ownership a couple of years ago at the Warriors according
to some reports, where he's been miserable for a couple
of years. But we could all relate to that, right,
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We all just want to feel valued. And I'm guessing
the Mavericks set all the right things to make them
feel that way.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Sure, sure, I mean, look, this happens in relationships, not
just in you know, in business relationships, for relationships as well,
and I think we all get the kind of wandering
eye and business as well.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Where you you know you drive.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I used to drive down a street when I was
at ESPN called Huckleberry Hill, and I just remember driving
down Huckleberry Hill for like six years straight and it
was great, especially in the fall the leaves are changing.
I wouldn't have any music on had the windows just
cracked open. I feel like man and then at some
point you go like, am I going to drive down
Huckleberry Hill?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
My entire life?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Is this how my life ends when I just drive
down Huckleberry Hill? And then when you leave, you're like, man,
I miss Huckleberry Hill and driving down that hill. But
that's the reality to kind of mankind is we all
wonder what the grass is like on the other side.
And you know our grass, sometimes you take it for granted,
you don't treat it as well, you don't worry about Ah,
it's just a little crab grass. It'll go away next season,
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that sort of thing. Whereas you go to somebody else,
it's like, man, look at how manicured this lawn is. Yeah,
we all want to feel valued. That is twenty twenty four.
We all want to feel valued. We all want to
feel hurt. And whatever was done in both those situations,
neither guy felt valued, neither guy felt hurt, and it
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could becomes really easy for the new guy, you know,
to recruit you to that idea of being valued. When
the truth is that Golden State knows his flaws better
than Clay even does, but it's how he feels that
those flaws are being focused on that of when you
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go to a new place, only the positives, only the
superlatives are being focused on.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I just I listened to him talk today and Jason
and I we came to the same conclusion, like this
is every fifty plus year old male worker in America
who's been in a place for a decade. You're like, man,
I just don't feel valued anymore. Like I got to
go start that clock over. Then you go to a
new place, but you don't have the sweat equity. You
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still bring in a reputation, but then you have a
very different culture. It's not easy. Staying is not easy.
Leaving is not easy. Very human though.
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Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's always interesting to me, obviously, as you all know,
I'm the new head coach at at Green Bay. But
part of it is I've been in the au culture
or au sen since I played in it. Then my
dad had a program I coached for him, uh and
then obviously I took over his program after his passing
and I've been around it. I mean, Cooper Flag has
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been frankly the great White hope for the last couple
of years in AU basketball, Like, man, what's that going
to look like when he gets to college?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
What's that going to look like when he gets to
the NBA. But just I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Last year on the eybl circuit, like just completely and
utterly and thoroughly dominant. And he's seventeen years old. And
something other else that's interesting is, you know, we have
our seventeen U team that just won, you know, a
gold medal and has We've never lost in seventeen U
and they were just that class is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Cooper Flag could play.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
On that team, but instead he's scrimmaging against Team USA.
But it's it's fascinating that all of a sudden, now
it's like mainstream people or fans are like, who wow,
or I've heard of him, but I can't believe how
good he is. I neither can win. But if there
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was ever a question about will it translate to that level.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
The answer is yeah. I mean the kids that could.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And I believe good enough to bring men's college basketball
back to the forefront, you know, not that Yukon hasn't
been great the past two years, but this past year
there was as much or more excitement about the women
than that we're the men. Now Caitlyn Clark graduates, so
to Angel Reese obviously also in the in the WNBA.
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It's not that we don't know or like Paige Becker's
but there's always been great women's college bestlaers. But when
Duke has Zion, Duke has, I mean you name it,
or a Kentucky or one of the blue bruds has
the elite kid. Now it's Duke. Now we pay a
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lot more attention and there's some substance that goes to it.
Pat Garritdale joined us in a moment. He's a former
h an NBA front office analyst. He is a former
he's an NBA analyst for Stadium Sports. The former NBA
executive also used to be the head of the Players
Association back when they wrote one of the previous cbash
So he can give us a sense of what's changed
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and what the Tier two tax, what that all means
to those of us who are just fans. Stug Gotleib
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in. Pat
Garrity who he was the great White Hope back when
I played with.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Him at Notes Youre Dame.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Before he played ten years in the NBA, he's been
an NBA executive.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
He's a Duke Key too, because he's got an NBA
from Duke.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And by the way, he also has had the Players
Association back when they wrote the CBA and PG. I'm
just wondering your thoughts. Take put on your evaluator hat.
As a guy who like Cooper Flags, your size, different
sort of game, what are your thought though on what
it looks like he will look like when he gets
on an NBA floor.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
You're breaking up a little bit. First of all, could
be with you. We're talking brownny here right.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
No no, no, no, no, We're talking Cooper Flag.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Oh Cooper Fla. Sorry about that. Yeah, well, break you
are breaking up a little the bit at the beginning. Look,
I haven't seen a ton of him. I've watched a
little bit of the clips from USA Basketball and then
was intrigued that went back and watched some vwaybelped up.
I mean, he has a chance to be a terrific player.
And I think that you have the three things that
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when you combine them. Like every coach wants in a player.
Number one is his size. Number two is his athletic
ability and the skill to match that, because we know
that you a lot of times can have big guys
that are tremendously athletic and active and have high motives,
but not necessarily to have the skill. And he certainly
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has both. And then and I think the third part
is at a young age, the motor. And it's just
to me, it looks like a natural thing with him.
It doesn't look like anything it's had to have been
coached or anything. He's just naturally a guy that looks
super super competitive in play art. So when you put size,
competitiveness skill at Lenson together, you have the makings of
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a guy could be a very very good player in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, yeah, I know it's it's going to be fascinating,
fascinating to watch. Let's let's talk some Bronnie James. What
was your reaction when the Lakers took him at fifty five.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Well, first of all, I thought it was like a
fascinating story to follow leading up to the draft, just
how open and honest Rich Paul was about what he
was or wasn't going to accept, like he said, there's
no way that he's going to sign a two way contract,
And just the brashness of that was certainly something I
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think was kind of fun to watch entertaining. Look, Bronnie
has a long ways to go. He didn't play a
ton of college, just played one season. You know, you
could see that there's like big gaps in his game.
I think that we all it's not a hot take
to say that if he was just another guy, that
he wouldn't have been drafted at all. And so look
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like the situation is what it is. I think that
there's certainly other reasons why you could be interested in
following his developments. I mean, certainly because of you know
who his dad is. So that's going to be fun
to watch. But you know, to me, a little bit
of a spectacle I think is the best way I
could describe it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I'd say a lot bit of a spectacum, it
really is. I can't imagine how hard it's going to
be for their for their G League team, and you know,
for their for Dane Johnson, their G League coach, just
because like you want to develop a kid, but you
also want to win and have to develop other people,
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and yet you know who is the master who's actually
telling you how to play him, how to use him,
that I could not be easy.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Well, well, the G League, to me, for him is
is going to be even tougher than if he were
to be put in an NBA game. You get you
thrown in an NBA game, it's going to be for
short minutes. Maybe maybe the outcome is already decided, or
if it's not, you're there for you know, very specific things,
and you get in the G League. I mean there
are guys that are flat out killers in that league,
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like they have obviously big gaps for those are the
reasons they're not in the NBA. But the G League
is a league where guys are out for survival, and
to me, that's that's an area where you can you
even see first round draft picks who are maybe be
like not developed, that go in there and get exposed
and it really affects them. So to me, that that
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to me is going to be the interesting. More interesting
part is how he's able to deal with that night
and not a basis when he's playing big minutes and
guys are really really going at him.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, what do you think of him as as a player.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, let's just start in general, like
I'm not a fan of small guards, like unless you're
really a guy that can go and get in the
paint and can score and really a lightning up and
down the floor. Uh, it's just that I'm talking about
the NBA obviously, Like in college, those guys can find
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a ton of success. But in the NBA, if you're
a small scoring guard, like you really really be able
to better score just because it's it's hard to defend,
no matter like how athletic you are. So I think
that's number one. I think just some of the game
that I saw the first game, it's clear that he's
a smart player and he made a couple of really
quick decisions out there. So you know, the the IQ
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and the intelligence on the floor isn't you know, isn't
going to be a factor. I think just the reality
is like when you're a small guard and you're not
really like you're not really a lite in one area
of the game, like what are you going to hang
your hat on? And so that would be my question
is what what area of the game And he developed
where he is a lead enough where he could you know,
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hang his hat on it.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
In the NBA.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, I mean people say the defense, but I mean
I even watch defensively, he doesn't try and guard the ball.
He goes and runs to somebody who's in the corner.
You know, it's like similar to in terms of playing
point guard, like he anyone who was sell let to
say the point guard. Like he didn't seem to want
to be a point guard. You don't want the ball
like he'll get it and try and go score it.
But that's not really what a lead guard does either
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at either end of the floor. And then you know,
in terms of uh, in terms of bringing some sort
of value, right, like the best value you can bring
is you gotta be aill guard your position and then
guard on switches and then make threes and stay out
of the way. And I don't think that he seems
to be have that mentality of really wanting to be
a dog defensively, Well, look.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
At look at I mean, in the last couple of years,
a smaller guard who was one of the elite college
just unders Davion Mitchell, right, Like Davion Mitchell has you know,
had a better nice couple of first years but he's
like like those players in the NBA kind of still
trying to find his way in and hang his hat
on something like sure and to me, to me, I
don't see him as the level of like Davion Mitchell
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was the guy that proved that on a big time stage.
You know, that's a hard won.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
A national title.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And for people don't know, Davian Mitchell's nickname is off
Night because if you Garden, you you were having an
off night. It's great nickname, by the way, awesome nick dat.
But because he's go ahead.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
That's the level of defender. When you're hanging your fat
and when you're a small guard and you're hanging out
of defense, those are those are your pops.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Pat Garrett is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so the Lakers offseason,
they had Ronnie, They go and draft a big time
kind of experienced score from college, but I don't know
how much that's going to help you. They strike out
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on on Klay Thompson, and so they're kind of status
quo with a little bit of money to spend.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
What are your thoughts in the Lakers offseason?
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Well, I mean, they don't really have that much money
to spend right now, because they're ten million dollars over
the first Apron so as it stands right now, like
even the Paul George or excuse me, DeMar de Rosen situation, like,
I don't know how that they were going to be
able to make a sign and trade work just because
of the rules of not being able to take a
guy in a sign and trade when you're over the apron. Look,
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I think that they were in a tough spot. I
think that wisely, maybe after not being able to get Clay,
I think they said, let's let's bring this group back.
We have two first round picks, let's try to get
off to a good start to the season, and then
maybe if we're going in the right direction, we can
do something with the guys that we have under contract
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in some combination of that pick or those two picks
twenty five and twenty seven, and then go get another guy.
And really, I think that that probably probably was their
best shot. I don't really have much of a criticism
after they weren't able to land Clay. I think that
that maybe was the one move where it would have
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given him a better shot I think to be a
better team, but after not being able to bring him in,
I have no problem with what they kind of did
and just be impatience.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Okay, Clippers and what what Paul George considered a low
ball offer. Eventually they got to the level of three
for one point fifty. What are your thoughts on the
Clippers and how they handled Paul George.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Well, well, this is this is a situation that's a
little bit different than the Lakers, Like I don't understand
that at all. Like, so, number one, for the next
two years, you're going to be pretty much married to
Kawhi and James Harden and Norm Power, Like I probably
could train Norm Paler, but he's going to be on
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the rush. So so you are going to be deep,
deep within the luxury no matter if you bring Paul
George back or not. So to me, that thing that
didn't make sense is the fourth year, Like why at
that point are you caring about the fourth year? Like
you're going to be in this situation and you're going
to have this team for the next two years and
(27:15):
you don't really have a fallback option. So to me,
the only reason why it makes sense is if they're
thinking look this team as it is, and maybe with
Paul George beck isn't isn't good enough to be a
top four team in the West, and maybe this is
the start of kind of a slow unwind to this group.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's weird though, that going into a new arena, when
you're going to resign Kawhi Leonard, you wouldn't re sign
Paul George and try and try and get as much
juice out of that Orange as you could.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
No question, And again I go back. It seemed like,
and this is coming from Paul George, which by the way,
having these player podcasts where they just go out and
like go open kimono on the entire negotiation is great.
It's a great viewing. But again, the decision seemed to
be a three year contract with a no trade clause,
and so the Clippers didn't want to give that. I'm
(28:09):
fine with that, but if you're not, then just why
not give the fourth year? Like, who knows what's going
to happen four years now, But at least at least
then you have the guy who is a three time
All Star. You have your team for the you know,
for the next two years, and then in the third year,
then then you can work to unwind it if it's
not going in the right direction. But right now, I
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don't know where they turn to get better over the
next two years.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, everybody's talking about that second apron. Obviously, this collective
bart and agreement is different than the one that you
helped author kind of back in the day, if you will,
Was that twenty ten?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Was that the one you did twenty ten?
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Two thousand and five?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Okay, so two thousand and five, talk me through in
as concise a fashion as you can talk me through
the difference in the aprons.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Well, well, right now, so they what they do is
they just put really harsh restrictions and then there are
the restrictions involving draft picks getting frozen. But you know,
I think the thing that we've seen play out right
now is number one, you're not able to accept the
player in a sign and trade if doing so puts
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you above the first apron after the player signs. So
number one, like that takes like, if you're a team
that's above the salary cap, that's really the only way
you're going to get big money free agents is you
have to do sign and trades, And so it limits
number one, your ability to do sign and trades. Now,
the second apron is even more harsh because what that
does is it eliminates your ability to aggregate player salaries
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to make a trade. So like, if you have two
guys making ten million dollars a year, if you're under
the stake and in commit firm, you can trade them.
You have a twenty million dollar trade exception. You can
bring a twenty million dollar player in like as simple
as that can be. Like, you can't do that if
you're above the second apron, and so you're you're restricted
to the world where you're trading one for one. So again,
it's just a much more restrictive it's a much more
(30:07):
restrictive set of rules for these teams. And look for fans,
I mean of teams that aren't competitive right now, maybe
you like it because it puts you in the running
every year at tree agency and makes free agency much
more of a reality. But for these teams that have
like Boston or like Minnesota, O case is going to
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be in this situation in three years, that have done
really great work in the draft and put these really
fantastic teams together, Like, it's just going to be much
much more difficult to keep them together. You know, five
six years down the road from when those guys were
all on the rookie contracts.
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Speaker 3 (31:07):
Jason Stewart. Yes, I was a saw. I was a freshman.
He was a sophomore. He was our best player.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And he was a I think a chemical engineering major,
something really crazy smart, and he got a B and
I was I never forget. I was sitting with Fran
McCaffrey's now the IOWA head coach, and he called Pat
Garretty into the office and he's like, Pat, you got
to be in such and such. We didn't bring you
in here to get bees. I got a Fran, no problem,
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won't happen again. And like he walked out he was
clearly upset that he'd got in a B and he
never got another B and he walked out, and Frad
was like, I was just messed with him, Like I don't.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
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Speaker 3 (31:56):
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Speaker 2 (32:00):
M uh have you ever heard the expression feeling yourself? Well,
one NBA star is feeling himself. Tell who that is
top of next hour. But first let's get to Isaac
Lowancron play a bit of a game.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Mm hmmmmmmm mmm uh I Loo, what's the game?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Three?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Two one one two three? What kind of game is
it going to be?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Rank them?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Kind of gave that away, all right, Doug. Let's start
by ranking the top three players on the US men's
basketball roster right now. Obviously for the people out there,
Lebron Stiff Curry, Kevin Duran, Anthony Davis, Jason Tatum, et cetera,
et cetera. Ranked the top three on Team USA right now.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Are we talking about currently currently? Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Currently, who's three? The three current best players on USA Basketball. Mhmm,
it's a tough question. Uh, I'm gonna say, uh uh
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three is there if they're fully healthy?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Wow, it's a hard one. Uh fully healthy, I go
Kawhi Leonard at three.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Copy that.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I'll do, Anthony Davis at two, and Joel Embiid at one.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
All right, Kawhi A d and Joel mb duly noted
and tweeted, get ready to check your mentions now. Next,
rank the players who you think have the best likelihood
of winning next year's NBA Rookie of the Year award,
and Doug, I know it's hard for you, but try
not to automatically put Ronnie James at number one.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Will you.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Next year is NBA Rookie of the Year Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Okay, it's because after the Summer League game yesterday, FanDuel
moved Zach Eadie ahead in the Rookie of the Year
race and now he is the early favorite to win
the award as a result of a simple Summer League game.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well, I mean, part of it is he's played four
years in college, so he's more developed than some of
the developmental prospects.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think is the thinking, and I think he'll play.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So that'll that'll help him, whereas a lot of these
guys aren't gonna play ton.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think Donovan Klington's got a shot. I think he'd
be three.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I think Alex Sar will be two, just because again
he'll play, he'll play. And then at one, honestly, a
guy who's it's not a good team and he's really
young but it's not crazy would be Matas bussellis, who
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was some people's pick to be the number one pick,
but he didn't have a great year. The Bulls are
gonna blow it up and they're gonna be bad, so
we'll get to play.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
A ton Okay, next side, I mean, you know, we
have Euro twenty twenty four going on right now, we
have Wimbledon going on right now. So with all that
international flavor, that led me to wonder what would the
top three best Olympic host cities be. However, because I'm
here with the college basketball officionado and head coach who
(36:01):
is aspiring to now be there as the coach of
a team, Doug, I want you to rank your top
three host cities for the final four.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Wait, so you did away with the Olympics just for
the final four, just for you, baby. Or Number one
is an easy one because it's coming. It's coming to
a city it hasn't been to in a couple of years,
and it's gonna be amazing. Number three is man, I
(36:31):
like a lot of these cities indies number three. New
Orleans is number two, and Vegas is one.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
Oh all right, Vegas pulling the whole tournament.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Vegas. No, it would complain.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Boy, you know what, that's a good point. They have
a number of venues and facilities. So Indianapolis all the
way back at number three. That's my personal favorite. But
it ain't nothing like Vegas, and that is our game.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Rank them.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Game.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
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Speaker 3 (37:16):
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You know, there's something interesting that happened today with Klay Thompson.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, we'll talk about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Upcoming in in fifteen minutes. Something interesting happened with Klay Thompson.
If you've worked at a company for a long time,
I think in many ways you understand what happened between
Klay Thompson and the Warriors, and it really sucks, but
(01:13):
there is something to it which I completely get. So
Klay Thompson is an all time great warrior. He's a
first ballot Hall of Famer. He's Game six Clay. And look,
if we're honest about it, he's not in the Hall
of really good that played for a really long time.
But he's also not in the elite, elite wing of
(01:36):
the Hall of Fame, right like truth is a true
Hall of Fame. I think Klay Thompson would get in,
but the true Hall of Fame should be only the
best of the best of the best, and he was
probably the best pure.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Shooter in the league. R'm pure shooter.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And we could kind of get into the world stuff
courr is the greatest shooter of all time. Well, it's
it's different. Styles are different in terms of catch and
shoot shooter. I don't don't know if there's ever been
anyone as good as Clay. And he's a two way player.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
He played.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
He was a very good defender, but he was never
the best player on that team. An incredibly dangerous weapon
that had gravity and could hit you for twenty in
a second and did bail them out, especially against the
Oklahoma City Thunder in Game six. That's where he got
the Game six Clay reputational that the other game six.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But the point is.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
The point is Klay Thompson's the Hall of Famer, is
a great player. Today he had his press conference because
he is officially a Dallas Maverick, and he explained today
why he chose the Mavericks to be what's likely his
final home in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I'm very grateful for my time at Golden State, but
I just felt like moving on could just re energize
me and do something special for the rest of my career.
Dallas was so attracted because of the young players they have,
the style of play, the world class treatment these players
get from this organization, and just a beautiful city who
(03:07):
loves their hoops. When I was watching the playoffs and
I'm watching the mass you know, make a run for
the championship, I just saw myself fitting in really well
with this team and the personnel, and they look like
they have fun playing with each other and they play
for each other, and that was very attractive for me,
and that's really all I needed to see. And there's
mutual interest there and that's why I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Here's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio right
somewhere in between hey, we want you back and we
love you, think you're the greatest ever is where where
Golden State landed and Dallas made him feel like he
was more important. Look, he chose Dallas, and Dallas was
(03:48):
maybe the second, maybe the third highest bidder. I didn't
choose the Lakers, And we all talked about that, right,
We talked about that on this show about it and
how it's it is not sort of it is completely
damning towards the La Lakers to not have uh, you know,
(04:09):
to not have Klay Thompson choose them when Klay Thompson
is kind of a lifelong Laker and that was always
thought to be, Hey, that's where he's gonna go, and
it just didn't work out that way and didn't work
out that way only because Clay chose to not go there. Right,
That's all that really happened. But I think we can
(04:31):
all sort of relate, can't we, to what happened in
Golden State? And isn't that possible? Isn't that fair?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Like he'd been there for a long time, he felt
I don't want to say disenchanted, but he felt like
he wasn't feeling the love that that happens. It happens
in so many businesses. Hey, how many businesses have you
been a part of that? You've been there for a
(05:04):
long time. I'm like, listen, I can tell you when
I was at ESPN. And one of the reasons that
ESPN has lost people over the years is not because
they had their final bid.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Isn't where it should be.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's a lot like the Paul George thing, a lot
like here with the with the Klay Thompson thing.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
That first offer where.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
People want to come in low right, that first offer
is so low that you're like, what excuse me, I'll
give you a firsthand. Okay, Now this was not the
time I left ESPN, but after my first contract. The
way my first contract was structured was I got an
(05:44):
amount of money for doing radio. And I did radio
at the time four days a week, six hours a day.
It's a show called Game Night with Chuck Wills.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Chuck is was just awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
What a great teacher and human being to learn radio from.
I wasn't a college broadcasting student. I took one class
in the Journalism Broadcasting Building at Oklahoma State. It was
a marketing class. Actually two one was a sports law class.
Business law class be law with Andrew Yerick anyway, So
(06:19):
I had no real background other than I'd done local
radio for a year and I had done spots on
other shows, and I'd filled in a local show. But
I don't really know anything about especially national sports radio.
And Chuck was my teacher. I worked one hundred and
eighty days. I also had eight contracted games, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That was my contract.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And the way it worked was if I was gonna
do TV, and the late Great Barry Sachs was running
ESPN News at the time. If I was gonna do TV,
I had to come in on days when I was
doing radio because I had an overage that means a
use above It's like overtime above that of my content.
(07:00):
And it was I don't know what it was, one
thousand dollars a day or maybe more or something like that.
It's good money, but they didn't want to pay it.
And even though I was doing six hours radio, if
I want to do TV, fine, I had to do
it on a day I was doing radio. It was
a three year contract. By the end of the three
year contract, I was doing TV and getting paid additionally
for TV.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The first offer that came in was above that of
what my contract was, but it was below what I'd
actually made in the two previous years because somebody hadn't
been alerted to the fact that I was doing TV
and I was getting overage. So imagine if you're making
I don't know, fifty thousand dollars and at the end
(07:43):
of the year, you clear seventy five thousand dollars and
somebody comes in and says, hey, great news, We're going
to pay you sixty five thousand dollars for the next
three years. Like, well, say, I've been making seventy five
thousand dollars the last two years.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
What do you like. You're giving me a pay cut,
you know.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
And eventually you negotiate and you threaten to go out,
and there becomes a window in which you can get
competition and you get closer and closer to the number
that you want. Even my final contract, which again by
the time I walked from ESPN, was a five year deal,
it was really good money. I have no issues with
the ESPN and all, but the initial contract was really
(08:24):
flat of what I had made in the previous contract, Like, well,
we're gonna give you a three percent raise. That's what
we're gonna do. Okay, We're gonna give you a three
percent raise. And so I had to go out and negotiate,
got an offer from CBS, which actually ended up being
above that of ESPN. But the point is, and here's
how it relates to Paul George, here's how it relates
(08:45):
to Klay Thompson is, even though that's not their final offer,
and even though that's all part of the business, when
you've been somewhere for my espno is there for nine years.
I mean, look at how long Klay Thompson has entire
career been spent in Golden State. When you come in,
you come in love, You're like, what are we doing?
(09:05):
Just come in with what the final number is going
to be and have a real conversation. And the conversation is, hey,
now look the Klay Thompson thing they were They told
they were going to bring him off the bench. He
didn't want to come out the bench. And the truth is,
Clay Thompson doesn't need to come off the bench. He
just can't be your second best player. If you want
to win a championship, he has to be your fourth
or fifth best score to win a championship. That has
(09:28):
to be the plan, and that's Dallas's plan and it
actually works. But we can call it agism, you know,
we could call it kind of timing out. There's a
certain born on date. It's almost like a relationship. Right,
have you ever ever heard that expression? Every for every
beautiful woman, there's a guy that's that's tired of being
(09:48):
with her. Right, whatever it is, there is this sense
of complacency and maybe false of what loyalty means from
companies at times. And look, a lot of it is
a lot of it. There is truth to it. Right,
(10:09):
when you get older, you're not a killer nearly as
much as you used to be. You won't grind like
you did in your twenties and thirties. You got a family,
you got kids, you got perspective. You can get all
your work done and get out and still be just
as effective in your own mind. Like you don't have
that same you want to have the same energy towards it.
But you're not like a psychopath. You're not like skipping
(10:30):
birthdays and skipping recitals.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Like you're a human being as you should be.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And oh yeah, by the way, as an athlete, you're
not as productive as you need to be. Clay Thompson
is not a max player. Heck, Paul George isn't the
number one option by his own estimation. But there's a
way in which those conversations have to be at. There's
a way in which you have to negotiate, which is
different than any other sort of negotiation. And the different
(10:57):
way is, hey, listen, here's the deal. Here's how is
the most we're going to pay you. We are not
going to negotiate with you out of respect to you,
and if you can't make a work for that, it's fine,
It's been awesome, but it's actually disrespectful to go through
the traditional process of le me go low, you go hi,
(11:18):
We try and meet in the middle. Whoever ends up
on their side of the middle wins. Jase, Do am
I wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
That feels what happened to Clay and to a lesser extent,
Paul George feels like every negotiation for every employee that's
been in a company for a decade or more.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Ever, No, I think you're right. I think you're right.
And to add to that, I think that everyone who's
listening right now, including everybody in the studio. I think
shares one thing about their job. They want to be
valued by the people that employ them. They want to
(11:55):
feel valued. And I just think that the longer you
stay at a place, the more chances there are of
feeling devalued or taking advantage of or complacency sets in.
And I just think that Clay reached that point with
ownership a couple of years ago at the Warriors according
to some reports, where he's been miserable for a couple
of years. But we could all relate to that, right,
(12:18):
We all just want to feel valued. And I'm guessing
the Mavericks set all the right things to make them
feel that way.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Sure, sure, I mean, look, this happens in relationships, not
just in you know, in business relationships, for relationships as well,
and I think we all get the kind of wandering
eye and business as well.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Where you you know you drive.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I used to drive down a street when I was
at ESPN called Huckleberry Hill, and I just remember driving
down Huckleberry Hill for like six years straight and it
was great, especially in the fall the leaves are changing.
I wouldn't have any music on had the windows just
cracked open. I feel like man and then at some
point you go like, am I going to drive down
Huckleberry Hill?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
My entire life?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Is this how my life ends when I just drive
down Huckleberry Hill? And then when you leave, you're like, man,
I miss Huckleberry Hill and driving down that hill. But
that's the reality to kind of mankind is we all
wonder what the grass is like on the other side.
And you know our grass, sometimes you take it for granted,
you don't treat it as well, you don't worry about Ah,
it's just a little crab grass. It'll go away next season,
(13:18):
that sort of thing. Whereas you go to somebody else,
it's like, man, look at how manicured this lawn is. Yeah,
we all want to feel valued. That is twenty twenty four.
We all want to feel valued. We all want to
feel hurt. And whatever was done in both those situations,
neither guy felt valued, neither guy felt hurt, and it
(13:40):
could becomes really easy for the new guy, you know,
to recruit you to that idea of being valued. When
the truth is that Golden State knows his flaws better
than Clay even does, but it's how he feels that
those flaws are being focused on that of when you
(14:00):
go to a new place, only the positives, only the
superlatives are being focused on.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I just I listened to him talk today and Jason
and I we came to the same conclusion, like this
is every fifty plus year old male worker in America
who's been in a place for a decade. You're like, man,
I just don't feel valued anymore. Like I got to
go start that clock over. Then you go to a
new place, but you don't have the sweat equity. You
(14:27):
still bring in a reputation, but then you have a
very different culture. It's not easy. Staying is not easy.
Leaving is not easy. Very human though.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 3 (14:47):
Doug Gottleib Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's always interesting to me, obviously, as you all know,
I'm the new head coach at at Green Bay. But
part of it is I've been in the au culture
or au sen since I played in it. Then my
dad had a program I coached for him, uh and
then obviously I took over his program after his passing
and I've been around it. I mean, Cooper Flag has
(15:11):
been frankly the great White hope for the last couple
of years in AU basketball, Like, man, what's that going
to look like when he gets to college?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
What's that going to look like when he gets to
the NBA. But just I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Last year on the eybl circuit, like just completely and
utterly and thoroughly dominant. And he's seventeen years old. And
something other else that's interesting is, you know, we have
our seventeen U team that just won, you know, a
gold medal and has We've never lost in seventeen U
and they were just that class is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Cooper Flag could play.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
On that team, but instead he's scrimmaging against Team USA.
But it's it's fascinating that all of a sudden, now
it's like mainstream people or fans are like, who wow,
or I've heard of him, but I can't believe how
good he is. I neither can win. But if there
(16:07):
was ever a question about will it translate to that level.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
The answer is yeah. I mean the kids that could.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And I believe good enough to bring men's college basketball
back to the forefront, you know, not that Yukon hasn't
been great the past two years, but this past year
there was as much or more excitement about the women
than that we're the men. Now Caitlyn Clark graduates, so
to Angel Reese obviously also in the in the WNBA.
(16:38):
It's not that we don't know or like Paige Becker's
but there's always been great women's college bestlaers. But when
Duke has Zion, Duke has, I mean you name it,
or a Kentucky or one of the blue bruds has
the elite kid. Now it's Duke. Now we pay a
(17:01):
lot more attention and there's some substance that goes to it.
Pat Garritdale joined us in a moment. He's a former
h an NBA front office analyst. He is a former
he's an NBA analyst for Stadium Sports. The former NBA
executive also used to be the head of the Players
Association back when they wrote one of the previous cbash
So he can give us a sense of what's changed
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and what the Tier two tax, what that all means
to those of us who are just fans. Stug Gotleib
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in. Pat
Garrity who he was the great White Hope back when
I played with.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Him at Notes Youre Dame.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Before he played ten years in the NBA, he's been
an NBA executive.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
He's a Duke Key too, because he's got an NBA
from Duke.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And by the way, he also has had the Players
Association back when they wrote the CBA and PG. I'm
just wondering your thoughts. Take put on your evaluator hat.
As a guy who like Cooper Flags, your size, different
sort of game, what are your thought though on what
it looks like he will look like when he gets
on an NBA floor.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
You're breaking up a little bit. First of all, could
be with you. We're talking brownny here right.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
No no, no, no, no, We're talking Cooper Flag.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Oh Cooper Fla. Sorry about that. Yeah, well, break you
are breaking up a little the bit at the beginning. Look,
I haven't seen a ton of him. I've watched a
little bit of the clips from USA Basketball and then
was intrigued that went back and watched some vwaybelped up.
I mean, he has a chance to be a terrific player.
And I think that you have the three things that
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when you combine them. Like every coach wants in a player.
Number one is his size. Number two is his athletic
ability and the skill to match that, because we know
that you a lot of times can have big guys
that are tremendously athletic and active and have high motives,
but not necessarily to have the skill. And he certainly
(18:55):
has both. And then and I think the third part
is at a young age, the motor. And it's just
to me, it looks like a natural thing with him.
It doesn't look like anything it's had to have been
coached or anything. He's just naturally a guy that looks
super super competitive in play art. So when you put size,
competitiveness skill at Lenson together, you have the makings of
(19:17):
a guy could be a very very good player in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, yeah, I know it's it's going to be fascinating,
fascinating to watch. Let's let's talk some Bronnie James. What
was your reaction when the Lakers took him at fifty five.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Well, first of all, I thought it was like a
fascinating story to follow leading up to the draft, just
how open and honest Rich Paul was about what he
was or wasn't going to accept, like he said, there's
no way that he's going to sign a two way contract,
And just the brashness of that was certainly something I
(19:52):
think was kind of fun to watch entertaining. Look, Bronnie
has a long ways to go. He didn't play a
ton of college, just played one season. You know, you
could see that there's like big gaps in his game.
I think that we all it's not a hot take
to say that if he was just another guy, that
he wouldn't have been drafted at all. And so look
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like the situation is what it is. I think that
there's certainly other reasons why you could be interested in
following his developments. I mean, certainly because of you know
who his dad is. So that's going to be fun
to watch. But you know, to me, a little bit
of a spectacle I think is the best way I
could describe it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I'd say a lot bit of a spectacum, it
really is. I can't imagine how hard it's going to
be for their for their G League team, and you know,
for their for Dane Johnson, their G League coach, just
because like you want to develop a kid, but you
also want to win and have to develop other people,
(20:55):
and yet you know who is the master who's actually
telling you how to play him, how to use him,
that I could not be easy.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Well, well, the G League, to me, for him is
is going to be even tougher than if he were
to be put in an NBA game. You get you
thrown in an NBA game, it's going to be for
short minutes. Maybe maybe the outcome is already decided, or
if it's not, you're there for you know, very specific things,
and you get in the G League. I mean there
are guys that are flat out killers in that league,
(21:26):
like they have obviously big gaps for those are the
reasons they're not in the NBA. But the G League
is a league where guys are out for survival, and
to me, that's that's an area where you can you
even see first round draft picks who are maybe be
like not developed, that go in there and get exposed
and it really affects them. So to me, that that
(21:46):
to me is going to be the interesting. More interesting
part is how he's able to deal with that night
and not a basis when he's playing big minutes and
guys are really really going at him.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, what do you think of him as as a player.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, let's just start in general, like
I'm not a fan of small guards, like unless you're
really a guy that can go and get in the
paint and can score and really a lightning up and
down the floor. Uh, it's just that I'm talking about
the NBA obviously, Like in college, those guys can find
(22:20):
a ton of success. But in the NBA, if you're
a small scoring guard, like you really really be able
to better score just because it's it's hard to defend,
no matter like how athletic you are. So I think
that's number one. I think just some of the game
that I saw the first game, it's clear that he's
a smart player and he made a couple of really
quick decisions out there. So you know, the the IQ
(22:43):
and the intelligence on the floor isn't you know, isn't
going to be a factor. I think just the reality
is like when you're a small guard and you're not
really like you're not really a lite in one area
of the game, like what are you going to hang
your hat on? And so that would be my question
is what what area of the game And he developed
where he is a lead enough where he could you know,
(23:03):
hang his hat on it.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
In the NBA.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, I mean people say the defense, but I mean
I even watch defensively, he doesn't try and guard the ball.
He goes and runs to somebody who's in the corner.
You know, it's like similar to in terms of playing
point guard, like he anyone who was sell let to
say the point guard. Like he didn't seem to want
to be a point guard. You don't want the ball
like he'll get it and try and go score it.
But that's not really what a lead guard does either
(23:27):
at either end of the floor. And then you know,
in terms of uh, in terms of bringing some sort
of value, right, like the best value you can bring
is you gotta be aill guard your position and then
guard on switches and then make threes and stay out
of the way. And I don't think that he seems
to be have that mentality of really wanting to be
a dog defensively, Well, look.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
At look at I mean, in the last couple of years,
a smaller guard who was one of the elite college
just unders Davion Mitchell, right, Like Davion Mitchell has you know,
had a better nice couple of first years but he's
like like those players in the NBA kind of still
trying to find his way in and hang his hat
on something like sure and to me, to me, I
don't see him as the level of like Davion Mitchell
(24:08):
was the guy that proved that on a big time stage.
You know, that's a hard won.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
A national title.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And for people don't know, Davian Mitchell's nickname is off
Night because if you Garden, you you were having an
off night. It's great nickname, by the way, awesome nick dat.
But because he's go ahead.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
That's the level of defender. When you're hanging your fat
and when you're a small guard and you're hanging out
of defense, those are those are your pops.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Pat Garrett is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so the Lakers offseason,
they had Ronnie, They go and draft a big time
kind of experienced score from college, but I don't know
how much that's going to help you. They strike out
(24:56):
on on Klay Thompson, and so they're kind of status
quo with a little bit of money to spend.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
What are your thoughts in the Lakers offseason?
Speaker 7 (25:05):
Well, I mean, they don't really have that much money
to spend right now, because they're ten million dollars over
the first Apron so as it stands right now, like
even the Paul George or excuse me, DeMar de Rosen situation, like,
I don't know how that they were going to be
able to make a sign and trade work just because
of the rules of not being able to take a
guy in a sign and trade when you're over the apron. Look,
(25:29):
I think that they were in a tough spot. I
think that wisely, maybe after not being able to get Clay,
I think they said, let's let's bring this group back.
We have two first round picks, let's try to get
off to a good start to the season, and then
maybe if we're going in the right direction, we can
do something with the guys that we have under contract
(25:50):
in some combination of that pick or those two picks
twenty five and twenty seven, and then go get another guy.
And really, I think that that probably probably was their
best shot. I don't really have much of a criticism
after they weren't able to land Clay. I think that
that maybe was the one move where it would have
(26:10):
given him a better shot I think to be a
better team, but after not being able to bring him in,
I have no problem with what they kind of did
and just be impatience.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Okay, Clippers and what what Paul George considered a low
ball offer. Eventually they got to the level of three
for one point fifty. What are your thoughts on the
Clippers and how they handled Paul George.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Well, well, this is this is a situation that's a
little bit different than the Lakers, Like I don't understand
that at all. Like, so, number one, for the next
two years, you're going to be pretty much married to
Kawhi and James Harden and Norm Power, Like I probably
could train Norm Paler, but he's going to be on
(26:54):
the rush. So so you are going to be deep,
deep within the luxury no matter if you bring Paul
George back or not. So to me, that thing that
didn't make sense is the fourth year, Like why at
that point are you caring about the fourth year? Like
you're going to be in this situation and you're going
to have this team for the next two years and
(27:15):
you don't really have a fallback option. So to me,
the only reason why it makes sense is if they're
thinking look this team as it is, and maybe with
Paul George beck isn't isn't good enough to be a
top four team in the West, and maybe this is
the start of kind of a slow unwind to this group.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's weird though, that going into a new arena, when
you're going to resign Kawhi Leonard, you wouldn't re sign
Paul George and try and try and get as much
juice out of that Orange as you could.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
No question, And again I go back. It seemed like,
and this is coming from Paul George, which by the way,
having these player podcasts where they just go out and
like go open kimono on the entire negotiation is great.
It's a great viewing. But again, the decision seemed to
be a three year contract with a no trade clause,
and so the Clippers didn't want to give that. I'm
(28:09):
fine with that, but if you're not, then just why
not give the fourth year? Like, who knows what's going
to happen four years now, But at least at least
then you have the guy who is a three time
All Star. You have your team for the you know,
for the next two years, and then in the third year,
then then you can work to unwind it if it's
not going in the right direction. But right now, I
(28:31):
don't know where they turn to get better over the
next two years.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Well, everybody's talking about that second apron. Obviously, this collective
bart and agreement is different than the one that you
helped author kind of back in the day, if you will,
Was that twenty ten?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Was that the one you did twenty ten?
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Two thousand and five?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Okay, so two thousand and five, talk me through in
as concise a fashion as you can talk me through
the difference in the aprons.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
Well, well, right now, so they what they do is
they just put really harsh restrictions and then there are
the restrictions involving draft picks getting frozen. But you know,
I think the thing that we've seen play out right
now is number one, you're not able to accept the
player in a sign and trade if doing so puts
(29:19):
you above the first apron after the player signs. So
number one, like that takes like, if you're a team
that's above the salary cap, that's really the only way
you're going to get big money free agents is you
have to do sign and trades, And so it limits
number one, your ability to do sign and trades. Now,
the second apron is even more harsh because what that
does is it eliminates your ability to aggregate player salaries
(29:43):
to make a trade. So like, if you have two
guys making ten million dollars a year, if you're under
the stake and in commit firm, you can trade them.
You have a twenty million dollar trade exception. You can
bring a twenty million dollar player in like as simple
as that can be. Like, you can't do that if
you're above the second apron, and so you're you're restricted
to the world where you're trading one for one. So again,
it's just a much more restrictive it's a much more
(30:07):
restrictive set of rules for these teams. And look for fans,
I mean of teams that aren't competitive right now, maybe
you like it because it puts you in the running
every year at tree agency and makes free agency much
more of a reality. But for these teams that have
like Boston or like Minnesota, O case is going to
(30:30):
be in this situation in three years, that have done
really great work in the draft and put these really
fantastic teams together, Like, it's just going to be much
much more difficult to keep them together. You know, five
six years down the road from when those guys were
all on the rookie contracts.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
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Pat Gartty story for real quick?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Jason Stewart. Yes, I was a saw. I was a freshman.
He was a sophomore. He was our best player.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And he was a I think a chemical engineering major,
something really crazy smart, and he got a B and
I was I never forget. I was sitting with Fran
McCaffrey's now the IOWA head coach, and he called Pat
Garretty into the office and he's like, Pat, you got
to be in such and such. We didn't bring you
in here to get bees. I got a Fran, no problem,
(31:34):
won't happen again. And like he walked out he was
clearly upset that he'd got in a B and he
never got another B and he walked out, and Frad
was like, I was just messed with him, Like I don't.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
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Speaker 3 (31:56):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
M uh have you ever heard the expression feeling yourself? Well,
one NBA star is feeling himself. Tell who that is
top of next hour. But first let's get to Isaac
Lowancron play a bit of a game.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Mm hmmmmmmm mmm uh I Loo, what's the game?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Three?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
Two one one two three? What kind of game is
it going to be?
Speaker 6 (32:40):
Rank them?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Kind of gave that away, all right, Doug. Let's start
by ranking the top three players on the US men's
basketball roster right now. Obviously for the people out there,
Lebron Stiff Curry, Kevin Duran, Anthony Davis, Jason Tatum, et cetera,
et cetera. Ranked the top three on Team USA right now.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Are we talking about currently currently? Yes?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Currently, who's three? The three current best players on USA Basketball. Mhmm,
it's a tough question. Uh, I'm gonna say, uh uh
(33:32):
three is there if they're fully healthy?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Wow, it's a hard one. Uh fully healthy, I go
Kawhi Leonard at three.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Copy that.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I'll do, Anthony Davis at two, and Joel Embiid at one.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
All right, Kawhi A d and Joel mb duly noted
and tweeted, get ready to check your mentions now. Next,
rank the players who you think have the best likelihood
of winning next year's NBA Rookie of the Year award,
and Doug, I know it's hard for you, but try
not to automatically put Ronnie James at number one.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Will you.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Next year is NBA Rookie of the Year Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
Okay, it's because after the Summer League game yesterday, FanDuel
moved Zach Eadie ahead in the Rookie of the Year
race and now he is the early favorite to win
the award as a result of a simple Summer League game.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well, I mean, part of it is he's played four
years in college, so he's more developed than some of
the developmental prospects.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think is the thinking, and I think he'll play.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
So that'll that'll help him, whereas a lot of these
guys aren't gonna play ton.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think Donovan Klington's got a shot. I think he'd
be three.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I think Alex Sar will be two, just because again
he'll play, he'll play. And then at one, honestly, a
guy who's it's not a good team and he's really
young but it's not crazy would be Matas bussellis, who
(35:30):
was some people's pick to be the number one pick,
but he didn't have a great year. The Bulls are
gonna blow it up and they're gonna be bad, so
we'll get to play.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
A ton Okay, next side, I mean, you know, we
have Euro twenty twenty four going on right now, we
have Wimbledon going on right now. So with all that
international flavor, that led me to wonder what would the
top three best Olympic host cities be. However, because I'm
here with the college basketball officionado and head coach who
(36:01):
is aspiring to now be there as the coach of
a team, Doug, I want you to rank your top
three host cities for the final four.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Wait, so you did away with the Olympics just for
the final four, just for you, baby. Or Number one
is an easy one because it's coming. It's coming to
a city it hasn't been to in a couple of years,
and it's gonna be amazing. Number three is man, I
(36:31):
like a lot of these cities indies number three. New
Orleans is number two, and Vegas is one.
Speaker 8 (36:40):
Oh all right, Vegas pulling the whole tournament.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Vegas. No, it would complain.
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Boy, you know what, that's a good point. They have
a number of venues and facilities. So Indianapolis all the
way back at number three. That's my personal favorite. But
it ain't nothing like Vegas, and that is our game.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Rank them.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Game.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show, it is Fox Sports Radio.
The the expression is feeling yourself. Feeling yourself. Jason Tatum
pretty happy with himself.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
How much so? Well, he's ending debates that no one
was having. I'll explain. Next to The Doug Gotlieb Show,
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