July 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug riffs about the US Men's Soccer team firing their head coach. Doug welcomes Kelley Ford onto the pod to discuss college football. Doug reacts to Paul Pierce's take on Bronny. Plus, Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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here in northeast Wisconsin if you listen to the radio show.
I thought that was just fun. That was fun. Greg Bearholter,
Burholter was fired. I mean, I guess we should all
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breathe a sigh of relief as a country. I just
you know, and I don't profess to watch enough for
the US men's national team soccer team. I only can
tell you that, Boy, is it weird that we're what
two years out from the World Cup and we feel
no further along in terms of our quests, you know,
to become a real player in this thing. And we're
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doing what we always do, which is blame the coach,
which is a very twenty twenty fourth thing. Right. It's
never the student. It's always the parent. It's not the constituent.
It's always the it's always the representative of the senator,
you know, it's never the owners of the athletes. It's
always the commissioner. Those are the people that we blame,
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and we're doing that here. But look, maybe Bearholter, maybe
he is was the problem. Maybe you need a complete
change of leadership. But it also feels like kind of
late in the game, considering we're sort of a year
and a half away from where we get really up
and running for the World Cup. I could be wrong.
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I could be wrong, but this definitely feels very soccer ish,
very blame anybody but the player's ish, and that's what
we have a tendency to do. And US Men's soccer
reminds me of any time if you've seen a house,
you've gone in and bought a house and you're like,
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why are the countertops in the bathrooms so different from
the countertops in the kitchen, and why like these things
don't go together? And then you ask you like, well,
you know, they change contractors, like three times you're in
the build and you have different business.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Like, oh, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's what we're doing with this team. We have so
many different chefs in the kitchen that there's no that
the though all the ingredients technically are there and the
restaurant's been well marketed, and everybody thinks it just doesn't
all kind of come together. So again, I don't profess
to know anything about soccer. I played soccer as a kid,
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and as the late Bob and I would say, then
I grew up. But we're getting ready for a gigantic
opportunity of the World Cup, and we're doing the same
old stuff, and we're in the same old place. We
got a great pod for you. My guy Kelly Ford's
gonna join us. We'll talk a little college football. He
runs a website which has predictive analytics. We'll call on
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him throughout the year. I think you really enjoy it.
We got a a great group of what the Fox
Said quotes, plus things that are annoying a couple of
people that are annoying Jason Stewart, and I think they're
annoying me as well. But let me just kind of
get in real quick on Bronnie James. I'm not gonna
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sit here and tell you that he's been underwhelming. Wasn't
that what you saw, Jay stew You saw the quotes
that he'd been He's underwhelmed, underwhelmed at someone.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I saw that headline in a few places today. Brownie
underwhelms again in a second game.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, he's just whelmed. That's really what he's done. He's whelmed,
and I I think that as you pointed out, and
you're like giving me way more credit. I'm not the
only one, and I haven't been hating on Bronnie, but
this is how he plays. You got, Paul Pierce, we'll
play for you. A little bit later on the pod,
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seg well, he needs to take over games. He doesn't
take over games. It's not who he is once you're
twenty one years old, like this is this is why
you need to play in college. Okay, you need to
play in college. You are never going to take over
a professional basketball game. If you didn't take over a
college game, and you never took over a high school game,
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it's never happened. You don't automatically get to the highest
level of competition. Remember, when you're playing in the NBA,
you're playing in a wider laye, a wider three point line,
more difficult rules, against better competition, and for a shorter
period of time. Although for him it's a longer period
time than he played at USC But anyway, you're doing
all these things in much more condensed fashion, way better players,
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way better competition. So you expect him to step up
to a higher level than he's played in ever and
suddenly become a dominant player that you haven't paid attention.
And that's okay, But this is what happens when we
have people who are either sickophants or are scared of
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telling Lebron James, like, your kid's a good player. But
this is fucking ridiculous, and the analysis of him asking
him to do things that he's simply not capable of
just borders to me on absolutely moronic from really smart people.
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Speaker 2 (05:37):
All right, let's welcome in. He's Kelly Ford. He has
he has his own would you say? It's analytics and
data ranking system for college football?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Kelly, Yeah, Doug, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
So what I don't call it is a predictive analytical
model for college football. And then from that I'm able
to generate all sorts of different things, including resume rankings,
watchability scores for games, projections for conference races, national championship races,
as well as all one hundred and thirty four FBS teams.
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So the core of it is the power rating model,
but then everything else comes from that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, so last week you kind of shook the social
media world by storm because we're all so desirous for
any chance, any chance of talking about college football, right, like, oh,
just give me a reason. It used to be one
of what you know, some guys still pick up the
athlons of the Lindy's and they can get it online
as well. Right, there's different sorts of previews. But you
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had the watchability rankings. You had the most and least
watchable college football teams. Correct? That was the which the
rankings you released last week?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, so last week last week it was the watchability scores,
and so I think there was some confusion. I tried
to clarify it, but maybe the genie was out of
the bottle. What I was doing was not projecting which
games are going to have the highest TV ratings or
have the most eyeballs, be the most popular teams. What
I was putting out is based on what my preseason
version two numbers are saying, which games are going to
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have the highest watchability score, And that's calculated by averaging
the projected quality of the two teams involved, So you're
looking at the k forward rating, the power rating of
the two teams involved, and then also the projected competitiveness
between those two games, so a k forward spread, if
you will. So number one on the list is Georgia
at Texas. Those are two very highly power rated teams
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in my model, and the game is at Texas, which
is the lower of the two power rated teams, So
the projected spread there is going to be very very small.
So what I'm looking at is really high quality teams
and a really good competitiveness score meeting a low projected spread.
A game that notably was not on this list that
caught a lot of people's eye was Ohio State and Michigan.
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And I'm not suggesting that game won't be highly watched
or highly rated on TV. Certainly it will be, and
it should have big ten title implication, which ultimately then
means CFP applications as well as it has each of
the last three years. But what's bringing that game down
is the competitiveness component. Ohio State is the number two
power rated team in my model, Michigan's number twelve, but
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there is about a nine point gap between those two teams.
You add in the fact that the game is in Columbus,
and now you've got to add that home field advantage
for Ohio State, you've got a double digit spread. That
game in particular really getting hurt on the competitiveness side,
which is why it did not crack the top forty
of my games with the highest watchability scores this year
in college football.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, so your number, your number one ranked most watchable
college football team of twenty twenty four is who.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
So when you average out everybody's watchability scores, the team
that comes out to the highest weekend week out average
is actually USC with a score of eight point eight.
So that means weekend week out, USC, by my numbers,
is going to be playing really high quality opponents. In
USC is a high quality team in and of themselves,
and they're going to be competitive games. So USC is
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my number one team and the highest average watchability for
all one hundred and thirty four teams.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's interesting you had Oklahoma State in your top five,
did you not?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
They are number three for me, yep, I think the
Big Twelve is going to be a really really exciting conference.
Rate a lot of teams have a chance to win it.
And the reason there weren't a lot of Big twelve
teams in my top forty national games is what the
Big twelve has in depth and competitiveness, it lacks a
little bit in terms of top end elite power rated
teams this year.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Kelly Ford joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Kelly, let's get to the
least watchable, the least watchable of the Power five schools.
Who's the least watchable based upon your calculations?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So based on my calculations, I'm looking that up right here.
The team that comes down at the bottom of that
is Indiana. They come out as the least watchable. Excuse me,
Vanderbilt is the number one least watchable Power four team,
followed by Indiana. And that makes sense for Vanderbilt. Right
You're playing in the SEC, so your average quality is
going to be pretty high playing against teams that are
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highly power rated, but the competitiveness factor is really lacking
for Vanderbilt going to be a projected big underdog in
most of their conference games, most of their games this
year as a whole. Michigan State Wake Forest Stanford, Mississippi State,
and Illinois some of the other teams from the Power
four conferences that come out on the low end of
this average watchability, which again doesn't mean they're going to
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be playing in games that won't have eyeballs, but it
means that those games that they are playing may not
have the right mix of quality and competitiveness based on
my preseason version two numbers.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Okay, so how do you come upon numbers when there's
so many transfers? Right when it's it's it's so very
different year to year, and now you have the leagues
even being different year to year.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
It's becoming it's become increasingly difficult Doug to capture that.
And really in the preseason we're looking at three main things.
You're looking at returning production, your recent k forward ratings
from your program history, and your recent recruiting for your
program in recent years, and that returning production piece has
gotten a lot harder to nail down with all the transfers,
and of course you have modifiers. You know, if somebody
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is transferring from the G five level to the Power
four or the other way, it's not going to be
one to one production at each of those levels, so
you have to kind of scale that to the appropriate level,
and then with the coaching turnover on top of that,
that creates an additional layer of uncertainty. So the increased
usage of the transfer portal has created a higher level
of uncertainty, which means we just there is less certainty
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about these projections. But what we found through back testing
is we've changed the weights of those preseason inputs to
match what is proving to be the most predictive in
terms of its predictive power moving forward, looking forward, as
we try to evaluate and guess how this season is
going to play out.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Okay, so what about for d visual players and their
success or individual teams. Let's take Colorado probably, I don't
know where were they in your watchability scores.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Colorado from a watchability standpoint on a weekend, week out basis,
give me one second, they did very well. They're number
five eight point two, so on a weekend, week out basis,
they're going to be in competitive games with pretty high quality.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah. So, you know, obviously last year, first year for Dione,
we didn't know what to expect, and early on unbelievably
competitive games. They start out, you know, undefeated, surprisingly when
at TCU and they look really good, and then of
course they collapsed. And now we think they've kind of
reworked some things through the portal and they're going to
the Big Twelve, which I don't know if the Big
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twelve is a lesser league all overall than what the
PAC twelve was, but the Pac twelve last year was very,
very strong, and the Big Twelve this year, we just
don't know. But how do you how do you quantify
or how do you calculate proper expectations for a team
like Colorado?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Colorado last year, Doug and then USC two years ago
in Lincoln Riley's first year, they gave us great data
points on how to project and deal with teams that
have that level of turnover. Really an absurd amount of turnover,
but that's part of today's college football and how you
build a roster. So we've learned a lot from Colorado
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and USC the last year that's helping form the projections
for this year. But I will say that for teams
like that, that's where you have the highest level of uncertainty,
the highest range of outcome, the widest range of outcomes.
There's a fifteen percent chance for me that Colorado wins
at least eight regular season games. There's also a seven
percent chance that they fail to reach for regular season wins.
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So there's a wide range of outcomes for Colorado. With
the models trying to do, it's kind of thread that
needle and find the middle ground. But admittedly, when you
have that level of turnover, especially on a year in
year out basis from either the roster and or the
coaching staff, you get the uncertainty. But if we look
at Colorado this year, certainly we expect them to be improved.
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Last year they finished in the Power Ratings number seventy two.
I'm projecting number forty three this year. The offense should
be about where it was. It's the defense, of course,
that's going to need to take a step four and
that's what held them back really last year down the stretch.
And if we go down the schedule right now, Colorado
is not favored in many conference games by my numbers.
We've got them favored against Baylor in Week four, got
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them favored against Cincinnati in Week nine, both of those
games at home. But outside of that, not being favored
at any other Big twelve games. That's not to say
they aren't going to win more than just two Big
Twelve games. I'm projecting four and five as the most
likely record. But Colorado is not a team that I
expect to be contending for a spot in Arlington. I
think there's about ten teams in the Big Twelve you
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can make a case for. Colorado is not included in
those top ten for me in the Big Twelve this year.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, Kelly, what about Alabama? Nick Saban is a legend.
He retires, and and now you bring in a coach
who was last head coach University of Washington killing de
boor what are proper What does the numbers say the
expectations should be for the time.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
So Alabama, the numbers, the model is still really high
on Alabama, and it is worth considering. You know, they've
lost Nick Saban, who, in many people's opinion, including mine,
the greatest college football head coach to ever do it.
But this roster is still loaded and Kaylin de Bore,
who they're bringing in, is a proven winner. He has
won at every single stop he's been at, regardless of
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the level, regardless of the amount of resources. The spotlight's
never been bigger and brighter than it is on him
right now at Alabama following the legend, but my model
is still high on Alabama. I have the Crimson type
power rated number five, which is what they were last
year as well. I have this offense as the number
six unit in the country. The defense is number projecting
is number eight for me. There is only one game
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on the regular season schedule in which my numbers currently
make Alabama an underdog. That is Week five, when Georgia,
my number one power team comes to Tuscaloosa. I got
a thirty eight percent chance that Alabama wins that game.
Nine to ten wins is looking like the most likely
win total for this Alabama team based on my numbers
right now. But Alabama is the third favorite in the
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SDC to win the SEC Championship by my numbers, behind
Georgia and then Texas, who is similarly rated to Alabama
from a power rating standpoint. However, Texas is scheduled significantly easier.
I've got Alabama as the number nine most difficult schedule
in the country, so expectations are still high. This is
a team that should be contending for a spot in Atlanta.
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Certainly would expect to see Alabama in the twelve teen
college football Playoff. But I don't think it's reasonable for
Alabama fans or anybody to be expecting Kaylin Debor to
win national championships at the same rate that Nick Saban did,
just because that was absurd what Nick Saban was able
to do over the course of fifteen sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, I got I'm show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Kelly Ford is our guest. So, Kelly, you update these
things on a week to week basis leading up to
the season or do the calculations stay the same and
they and then you change them as the season evolves.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah, So in the summer here of the preseason, I
had an initial version of ratings that went out kind
of at the beginning of June. I had a second
version with some additional information that I put into the
model here at the beginning of July. I might do
one more small update in mid August, right before the
season starts. But what you see now on the website
kfour ratings dot com that version two that gives you
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a really good idea of what these teams are going
to be, at least in terms of my model's projections
for this year. And then once we get into the season. Yes,
every single week, we're going to update these numbers and
all the projections will change that go along with it,
so you can keep up with the conference championship races,
the rates for the CSP over underwin totals for all
the teams, and really everything that my numbers are saying
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will be updated on a weekend, week out basis, including
the watchability scores for all the top games every single week.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The last thing, do your numbers predict who the Heisman
Trophy winner will be?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
So I don't do a lot of player level data
and Heisman Trophy racist things like that on more team level. However,
just as a college football fan, you know you do
have saw us on the Heisman Trophy and all of that.
But certainly it's more open this year, I'd say than
it's then you know in recent years, and I think
you could go at any number of ways. I'm not
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necessarily sold, but it has to be a quarterback this year.
I think there are dynamic playmakers both at running back
and receiver. So even though this has been a quarterback
driven award in recent years, I think this might be
a year that we could see a non quarterback have
a chance to win it or certainly make it to
New York.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Kelly Ford. Kelly's be joining us hopefully all season long,
given us some predictors based upon the analytics for individual
college football games and then overall for our conferences and everything.
Like in the meantime, Kelly, how can somebody get your
data if they want to see it?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, well, Doug, I appreciate you having me on. You
can find me on x at Kfward Ratings, or you
can find the website kforard Ratings dot com. One or
both of those places will have all the information that
I'm putting out. So I appreciate the opportunity to come
on and look forward to hopefully doing it again soon.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
Let's get tough with the pock says, and now.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
What do the say?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Here's Paul Pierce talking about Bronnie James after his second
Summer League game.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I like what I saw his aggressiveness. You know, it
is Summer League, so Skip, I've played in Summer League.
I've watched Summer League for a lot of years. I
really don't put too much stock in it. But if
you're asking me what I see, I see a kid
that connects, who could be serviceable. And when I watched Ronnie,
you know, he obviously displayed some great intensity I think
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on the defensive end. Obviously he needs to have more
confidence in his offense. I don't think he was aggressive enough.
I don't think he'd looked to take his shots. But
he has to still kind of wonder, you know, what
his niche is gonna be in this league. And to me,
I think he could be that three and D guy,
you know, but he has to show me a little
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more aggressiveness. He played twenty to nine minutes, you know,
got three shots up. I need somebody a little more aggressive.
And I know it's summer league, and you know, he's
the type of player that you know, maybe needs someone
to create offense for him. You know, you know, he
has at times can create offense for himself. But if
he wants to establish his niche and wants to be
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a guy that gets minutes in an NBA game, he
has to show confidence in his offense. And he got
a knockdown shots. That's what I see. You know, being
a defensive guy is all good and all, but in
this NBA, this is a make or miss league and
you're gonna hear this all the time, and if you
can't make shots, it's gonna be tough for you to play,
especially at the guard slot.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I think it's there's there's more to it than
than just that. You know, there's more to it than
just that this Like we got to stop with the
with the bullshit about Brownie. You know, there are no
six one and a half three and D guys. Three
in D guys are six six to six nine because
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they can guard four positions and then they can stand
in the corner six to one and a half guys
and stop with it. We got long arms. Yeah, everybody's
six to seven in the NBA has long arms. They
have a six ten six eleven wingspan. Like, what are
we doing?
Speaker 7 (21:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I heard Skip say, well, you know, he's not good
in the kind of freelance, selfish style of of of
summer league basketball, Like, dude, if you like you played
twenty five minutes, you only get three shots up. I
agree with Paul Pierce, Like it's just a different mentality.
He's not athletic from an overall athletic standpoint, straight line
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and jumping, he is, but that's not great athleticism like
his dad, he's not great. Latterly, now his dad is
able to get away with it because he's six foot
eight two hundred and sixty pounds. He's six one and
a half two hundred ten pounds. It's completely different calculation.
So we got to stop, like we keep looking for
something and trying to make him into something that he's not. Honestly,
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Paul's Paul is giving a really nice version of the truth,
which is like, yay, he's kind of got to find
his role. Yeah, he's kind of at three and D
and he's just saying, there's not a lot there, not
a lot there. And the more we try and make
it out like there is more there, the more we
look foolish doing it. Here's Hall of Famer Jim Beheim
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and Dan Patrick talking about the US men's national team.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Zalen Brown's a great player. I don't think anybody's disputing that,
and I'm sure that they. I think they sell when
this happened. They had Kawhi obviously in quiet. Leonard is
as good as anybody, so they were set at forward
when Kawhi went down. I think they made the decision
they wanted another guard that to pressure the ball. It's
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a little bit of guesswork on my part, but I
think that's what I heard from conversations. They have a
great team. I'm anxious to see employ. I think when
they get rolling, they've got We never had the shot
blockers with like Anthony Davis and Joe and b We
didn't have that really with our Olympic teams. We had
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the guard playing the forward play, but we didn't have
that shop. Maybe got a shot bocker. They changed shots
last night, and they're gonna have to contend with when
Bayana and they're gonna have to go bear with France.
That's always going to be tough. But I just I
like this team. I think they'll be fun to watch
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and I think the Olympics will be great. I think
it'll be a great team to watch see how they developed.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The big thing there, he pointed out, like we get
so caught up in who's like the next best player
who hasn't been selected, and the reality to it is
that it's about a team. It's about fitting together pieces
on a team that work and when you bring in
a guy who is just going to be happy to
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be there, just gonna facilitate, can shoot and can guard,
you know, you know, multiple positions. Apparently that's what they want.
You know, I would have thought they would have wanted
a guy who's you know, a Jalen Brown is a
tremendous defender, a tremendous slasher. He's not an e leite shooter.
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He's not an elite ball handler. So I do get
that the games are different. And oh yeah, by the way,
one of the things, one of the misconceptions, I don't
believe Canada is gonna be any good in the Olympics,
not because Canada doesn't have good players from NBA standards,
but they that's not a great international team. They don't
play great international basketball. They're like a hybrid of trying
to play NBA basketball with some of the international rules,
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and it's not there. Like I'm telling you, those other
teams with lesser name talent, the Spains, the Argentinas, the Italy's,
the Francis, those are harder teams to play against because
they play play against in these rules more often. This
is Colin Coward comparing the US Olympic Team to the
ninety two Dream Team.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
The nineteen ninety two Dream Team was amazing, and a
lot of people get to my age, they get gray
hair and they love looking in the rear view mirror
and they just romanticize everything. It's like if you want
to wake up and listen to Stairway to Heaven from
led Zeppelin. It was awesome and it takes you back
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to a different time, but it takes two and a
half minutes to get into the lyrics. Jimmy Page is
on a riff and that was basketball back then. Down
to the center, pounded on the floor, very little ball movement.
It was a very position oriented game. You could do
certain things as a forward, you do certain things as
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a center. Players can do anything in everything. Now Wemby
is seven to four handles it behind the back, passing, shot,
blocking three pointers.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
The world is.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Different now and it's not a bad thing. Two things
can be possibly true at the same time. The nineteen
ninety two team beating Tunisia by sixty was amazing and
a thing of beauty. But this team's bench has starters
on that team. Scotty Pippen I covered him in Portland,
not close to Jason Tatum, Patrick Ewing's not nearly as
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good as Anthony Davis. Christian Layner on that team, ant
off the bench.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
On this team.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Christian Layner was the last guy on the bench. Like,
what the fuck is Colin actually talking about? And like, look,
Lebron's been an all time great player. He's he's basically
Larry Bird on this team. He's a shell of what
he used to be. Okay, Kevin Durant in many ways,
same thing, right, And Michael Jordan was the absolute best
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player in the game. There is no best player in
the game on this roster of the way that Jordan
was the best player in the game in ninety two.
There is no magic Johnson. Maybe magic is okay, we'll
give magic is Lebron and kd is Bird? Okay? Those
are those are all awash, all a wash. Tell me
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the Stockton, Stockton or Halliburton. Are we fucking are we
having this discussion? Colin? You want to sound dumb, that's
that's one that would go ahead. Try it, try it
on the street, Go like, hey, Tyrese Haliburton and John Stockton,
what do you think? And while we can defame Patrick Ewing.
We actually also understand, okay that in Foeba basketball, Patrick
(27:50):
Ewing is actually more useful in many ways than Anthony Davis's.
And I think Anton Davis is awesome. So uh, one,
you're doing the opposite of romanticizing, you're actually hating. And
second of all, you're not equating it to European basketball,
where intelligence like that you know of magic of Bird
(28:14):
I think is only equated by Lebron but nobody else
on this team. You don't have a John Stockton. And
though I don't love Pat Ewing, you know, in the NBA,
in comparisons to the all time great players, I will
tell you that he's a better fitter Nashley than Anthony Davis's.
That's what the Fox says. Let's find out who are
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what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And now it's your annoying, uh, Doug Umar Johnson, Umar
doctor Umar Johnson on his Wikipedia is what's the doctor of?
Doesn't say, well, here it is, Okay, he's an American
black activist, COMMA social media personality school psychologist, so maybe
(29:05):
he has a PhD or something and then a motivational speaker. Anyways,
I guess he's a He's a guest on The Breakfast
Club a Lot, which is an iHeart media property, if
I'm not mistaken out of New York, very popular show.
And he got on the subject of JJ Reddick's hiring
by the Lakers.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I'm disappointed in Black America because I feel like they're
attacking Brownie more than JJ red agree with. How the
hell is Bronnie James getting all this heat from Black America,
but JJ Reddick ain't getting all the sea. JJ redickan
never won nothing. He ain't went nothing in college. He
ain't win nothing in the NBA. He won no MVP.
I don't know if he was ever a first team
(29:47):
offense or defense, maybe once or twice, but he clearly
don't have the record of a Sam Cassell. Sam Cassell
should have been offered that Lakers job, and if not
the Lakers job, one of the coaching vacancy's. Look at
all these good black assistant coaches out there who are
being overlooked for white privilege. JJ Reddick did not earn
that position. They gave it to him. But rather than
attack that, we want to attack the nineteen year old kid.
(30:09):
I want lebron to play with his son, because the
optics of that I think will be very positive for
young black males, and I think it could be a
small motivation for black men to do more with their
sons and more with our boys. So I want to
see lebron and Bronnie on the same court.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
There's so many things wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I want you to tell me how many things.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, let's go through it. Okay, So he doesn't insinuate.
He says that white coaches are getting opportunities over black
men because of white privilege in the NBA, Like, do
you know how fucking stupid that is? That statement is?
Does anybody do you have any fucking again? What is
(30:54):
he a doctor of new rule? Don't call yourself a
fucking doctor. Unlet's one, you have a doctorate, and even
then nobody really wants to call you doctor unless you
know you're an actual medical doctor.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And secondly, school psychologist.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
School psychologist. Okay, so he's a doctor of psychology. Does
he have an actual doctorate?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Unclear?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Unclear? Well, how about you read a fucking history book.
How about you know a little bit about something you
talk about before you basically call the NBA in the
NBA's owners racists, okay, because one nobody likes being called racists,
especially people that aren't. And in the absolute most liberal sport,
there is one which has granted more black men the privilege,
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if you will, of being a head coach, being a
general manager, having being a broadcaster without any sort of
without any sort of work to get there, okay, because
you don't have to earn it by necessarily coaching. Same
is true with Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd not only just
got done playing, and yes, if if for doctor whatever
(31:59):
the fun his name is, thinks that, oh, you had
to win a championship as a player, all right, He
won a championship. He also had a dui the summer before.
He was a head coach with the Nets. He had
never been a system before. Doc Rivers didn't win a championship,
he'd never been a system before. Where the fuck are
you then? Why is it only a good thing for
black men to use nepotism to get their son in
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the NBA and get completely and utterly exposed, which is
happening here in the Summer League. Like I feel bad
for Brownie, all these fucking idiots making out to be
something that's not. This is dad getting him on a team,
just like me putting my son on an AU team
which he doesn't belong in. It sucks, Okay, I did
this mistakenly with my son. There's a program called Austin Select.
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It's really good, I think, frankly. They use older players.
My son got a chance to play with him in
a tournament and they were winning every game by twenty
and thirty points. But he just athletically wasn't at that level.
It was very, very obvious, and I felt like in
a fucking idiot for doing it. Okay, but it wasn't
the NBA, where now you get really exposed. So if
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you haven't like so, the NBA because Sam Cassell hasn't
gotten a job is racist, like shot the actual these
are the people that are the problem. Are there racists
that are problem? Sure, you know what they don't occupy
They don't occupy the space of the NBA. The only
racists in the NBA are people who don't know dick
about the NBA and make it out that the NBA
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would be in any way racist. It, by the way,
is why the truth is. For people who have asked me,
they're like, what do you know about you? Know people
holding race against you. I live in basketball and the
basketball world nord. To be white and survive, you have
to be one and a half times as good as
you should be. That's the reality to it. So I
actually understand how black men feel in other parts of
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society where they feel like they have to be one
and a half times that of whoever they're competing. It
gets because of past stereotypes. I get it, but there
are so many mistakes in what he's saying. JJ Reddick's
getting white privilege, Like what, huh? He played like fifteen
(34:16):
years in the NBA, was a really good player, and
by the way, people shout on JJ Reddick when he
was drafted to because they thought it was too high
and it probably was. The end up becoming a player
as are more valuable than the spot in which he
was picked. Then he became a broadcaster, and then he
became a coach. It's a pattern we've seen. Doc Rivers
is the perfect example. Steve Kerr is another example. These
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guys never coached before, and they've been really good coaches
and they've ended up winning a championship. It doesn't mean
that he's gonna win a championship doesn't mean he's not
gonna win a championship. It just means, don't tell me
that this path is something that only white men get
to go down. Black men get to go down to
either as well. And you know what the one correlation
is they have to have played substantial time in the
NBA where people think they know what the fuck they're
talking about. What else annoys you?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I think that's a walkoff, but I do want to
play this. Dylan Brooks is annoyed for many reasons. I
don't even know what team he's on right now. Is
maybe it's a Grizzlies Rockets. I think Rockets. Okay, So
Dylan Brooks is on the Canadian team and he said
this before the game against the USA yesterday to your personal.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Review about what based not only Wednesday, but when you
get to Paris and probably some in the United States
and knocked out rock Yet we.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Gotta pay every teams that maybe the scout.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Against US if you couldn't make that out. He says
that this US team has to guard they have to
guard us. And then the Canada swiftly went out and
scored seventy two points against Team USA and their first
game by the way these guys have always been together,
probably four days. So Dylan Brooks, for a multitude of reasons,
(35:54):
is really annoying. In fact, picked your winner dog doctor
Umar or Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Doctr Umar, doctor rumer. That's any.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I do.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Because we can, Doug.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
But you know, my athletic career ended after my senior
high school. But everyone, everyone who's ever played sports knows
the guy on the team that the coach screwed. The
coach screwed me. The coach had it out for me. Yeah,
because coaches don't like to win. They just like to
make personal choices to ruin your life. That the coach
screwed you. It had nothing to do with your athletic ability.
(36:41):
Baron Davis gave his version of the coach screwed me
on Draymond Green's podcast, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
And so I always felt like coach k had like
we hate on them, you know what I mean? And
I was right about that.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Why did you say he was right about that?
Speaker 10 (36:55):
Because he hated on me During the Olympic tryouts, I
was I went off of twenty three eight and didn't
get a tryout. Well, I can't get a tryout, like,
name thirty people better than me. Okay, name twelve, Name
four guards better than me? The coach kter. Do you
(37:16):
think that stems from you not going to Duke and
going to the Absolutely. He wrote about it in his book.
Every motherfucker that was in front of me or I
got invited was sorry guards you know you asked me,
They're sorry.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
We got invited.
Speaker 10 (37:30):
He weake as fuck. You know this is my heart talking.
I respect his game. I think Luke written out was
a good player. Like you know we talking to hoopers.
It's like, are you fucking kidding?
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Man?
Speaker 10 (37:40):
This is ill homie.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
He's right, and he's right that that the duke thing
plays a factor. He also is is forgetting the fact
that one hurt his knee when he's in college. Secondly,
didn't have a great reputation at any point in time
in terms of how he worked with coaches. So some
of it is, hey, can you get along with coaches?
(38:03):
Can you get along with people? Is the reality to it?
Reality to it? Why can we play it for you?
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I thought that was just fun. That was fun. Greg Bearholter,
Burholter was fired. I mean, I guess we should all
(00:34):
breathe a sigh of relief as a country. I just
you know, and I don't profess to watch enough for
the US men's national team soccer team. I only can
tell you that, Boy, is it weird that we're what
two years out from the World Cup and we feel
no further along in terms of our quests, you know,
to become a real player in this thing. And we're
(00:54):
doing what we always do, which is blame the coach,
which is a very twenty twenty fourth thing. Right. It's
never the student. It's always the parent. It's not the constituent.
It's always the it's always the representative of the senator,
you know, it's never the owners of the athletes. It's
always the commissioner. Those are the people that we blame,
(01:17):
and we're doing that here. But look, maybe Bearholter, maybe
he is was the problem. Maybe you need a complete
change of leadership. But it also feels like kind of
late in the game, considering we're sort of a year
and a half away from where we get really up
and running for the World Cup. I could be wrong.
(01:38):
I could be wrong, but this definitely feels very soccer ish,
very blame anybody but the player's ish, and that's what
we have a tendency to do. And US Men's soccer
reminds me of any time if you've seen a house,
you've gone in and bought a house and you're like,
(01:59):
why are the countertops in the bathrooms so different from
the countertops in the kitchen, and why like these things
don't go together? And then you ask you like, well,
you know, they change contractors, like three times you're in
the build and you have different business.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Like, oh, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's what we're doing with this team. We have so
many different chefs in the kitchen that there's no that
the though all the ingredients technically are there and the
restaurant's been well marketed, and everybody thinks it just doesn't
all kind of come together. So again, I don't profess
to know anything about soccer. I played soccer as a kid,
(02:42):
and as the late Bob and I would say, then
I grew up. But we're getting ready for a gigantic
opportunity of the World Cup, and we're doing the same
old stuff, and we're in the same old place. We
got a great pod for you. My guy Kelly Ford's
gonna join us. We'll talk a little college football. He
runs a website which has predictive analytics. We'll call on
(03:03):
him throughout the year. I think you really enjoy it.
We got a a great group of what the Fox
Said quotes, plus things that are annoying a couple of
people that are annoying Jason Stewart, and I think they're
annoying me as well. But let me just kind of
get in real quick on Bronnie James. I'm not gonna
(03:24):
sit here and tell you that he's been underwhelming. Wasn't
that what you saw, Jay stew You saw the quotes
that he'd been He's underwhelmed, underwhelmed at someone.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I saw that headline in a few places today. Brownie
underwhelms again in a second game.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, he's just whelmed. That's really what he's done. He's whelmed,
and I I think that as you pointed out, and
you're like giving me way more credit. I'm not the
only one, and I haven't been hating on Bronnie, but
this is how he plays. You got, Paul Pierce, we'll
play for you. A little bit later on the pod,
(04:01):
seg well, he needs to take over games. He doesn't
take over games. It's not who he is once you're
twenty one years old, like this is this is why
you need to play in college. Okay, you need to
play in college. You are never going to take over
a professional basketball game. If you didn't take over a
college game, and you never took over a high school game,
(04:24):
it's never happened. You don't automatically get to the highest
level of competition. Remember, when you're playing in the NBA,
you're playing in a wider laye, a wider three point line,
more difficult rules, against better competition, and for a shorter
period of time. Although for him it's a longer period
time than he played at USC But anyway, you're doing
all these things in much more condensed fashion, way better players,
(04:47):
way better competition. So you expect him to step up
to a higher level than he's played in ever and
suddenly become a dominant player that you haven't paid attention.
And that's okay, But this is what happens when we
have people who are either sickophants or are scared of
(05:07):
telling Lebron James, like, your kid's a good player. But
this is fucking ridiculous, and the analysis of him asking
him to do things that he's simply not capable of
just borders to me on absolutely moronic from really smart people.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
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Speaker 2 (05:37):
All right, let's welcome in. He's Kelly Ford. He has
he has his own would you say? It's analytics and
data ranking system for college football?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Kelly, Yeah, Doug, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
So what I don't call it is a predictive analytical
model for college football. And then from that I'm able
to generate all sorts of different things, including resume rankings,
watchability scores for games, projections for conference races, national championship races,
as well as all one hundred and thirty four FBS teams.
(06:07):
So the core of it is the power rating model,
but then everything else comes from that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, so last week you kind of shook the social
media world by storm because we're all so desirous for
any chance, any chance of talking about college football, right, like, oh,
just give me a reason. It used to be one
of what you know, some guys still pick up the
athlons of the Lindy's and they can get it online
as well. Right, there's different sorts of previews. But you
(06:36):
had the watchability rankings. You had the most and least
watchable college football teams. Correct? That was the which the
rankings you released last week?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, so last week last week it was the watchability scores,
and so I think there was some confusion. I tried
to clarify it, but maybe the genie was out of
the bottle. What I was doing was not projecting which
games are going to have the highest TV ratings or
have the most eyeballs, be the most popular teams. What
I was putting out is based on what my preseason
version two numbers are saying, which games are going to
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have the highest watchability score, And that's calculated by averaging
the projected quality of the two teams involved, So you're
looking at the k forward rating, the power rating of
the two teams involved, and then also the projected competitiveness
between those two games, so a k forward spread, if
you will. So number one on the list is Georgia
at Texas. Those are two very highly power rated teams
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in my model, and the game is at Texas, which
is the lower of the two power rated teams, So
the projected spread there is going to be very very small.
So what I'm looking at is really high quality teams
and a really good competitiveness score meeting a low projected spread.
A game that notably was not on this list that
caught a lot of people's eye was Ohio State and Michigan.
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And I'm not suggesting that game won't be highly watched
or highly rated on TV. Certainly it will be, and
it should have big ten title implication, which ultimately then
means CFP applications as well as it has each of
the last three years. But what's bringing that game down
is the competitiveness component. Ohio State is the number two
power rated team in my model, Michigan's number twelve, but
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there is about a nine point gap between those two teams.
You add in the fact that the game is in Columbus,
and now you've got to add that home field advantage
for Ohio State, you've got a double digit spread. That
game in particular really getting hurt on the competitiveness side,
which is why it did not crack the top forty
of my games with the highest watchability scores this year
in college football.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, so your number, your number one ranked most watchable
college football team of twenty twenty four is who.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
So when you average out everybody's watchability scores, the team
that comes out to the highest weekend week out average
is actually USC with a score of eight point eight.
So that means weekend week out, USC, by my numbers,
is going to be playing really high quality opponents. In
USC is a high quality team in and of themselves,
and they're going to be competitive games. So USC is
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my number one team and the highest average watchability for
all one hundred and thirty four teams.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's interesting you had Oklahoma State in your top five,
did you not?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
They are number three for me, yep, I think the
Big Twelve is going to be a really really exciting conference.
Rate a lot of teams have a chance to win it.
And the reason there weren't a lot of Big twelve
teams in my top forty national games is what the
Big twelve has in depth and competitiveness, it lacks a
little bit in terms of top end elite power rated
teams this year.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Kelly Ford joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Kelly, let's get to the
least watchable, the least watchable of the Power five schools.
Who's the least watchable based upon your calculations?
Speaker 5 (09:49):
So based on my calculations, I'm looking that up right here.
The team that comes down at the bottom of that
is Indiana. They come out as the least watchable. Excuse me,
Vanderbilt is the number one least watchable Power four team,
followed by Indiana. And that makes sense for Vanderbilt. Right
You're playing in the SEC, so your average quality is
going to be pretty high playing against teams that are
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highly power rated, but the competitiveness factor is really lacking
for Vanderbilt going to be a projected big underdog in
most of their conference games, most of their games this
year as a whole. Michigan State Wake Forest Stanford, Mississippi State,
and Illinois some of the other teams from the Power
four conferences that come out on the low end of
this average watchability, which again doesn't mean they're going to
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be playing in games that won't have eyeballs, but it
means that those games that they are playing may not
have the right mix of quality and competitiveness based on
my preseason version two numbers.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Okay, so how do you come upon numbers when there's
so many transfers? Right when it's it's it's so very
different year to year, and now you have the leagues
even being different year to year.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
It's becoming it's become increasingly difficult Doug to capture that.
And really in the preseason we're looking at three main things.
You're looking at returning production, your recent k forward ratings
from your program history, and your recent recruiting for your
program in recent years, and that returning production piece has
gotten a lot harder to nail down with all the transfers,
and of course you have modifiers. You know, if somebody
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is transferring from the G five level to the Power
four or the other way, it's not going to be
one to one production at each of those levels, so
you have to kind of scale that to the appropriate level,
and then with the coaching turnover on top of that,
that creates an additional layer of uncertainty. So the increased
usage of the transfer portal has created a higher level
of uncertainty, which means we just there is less certainty
(11:39):
about these projections. But what we found through back testing
is we've changed the weights of those preseason inputs to
match what is proving to be the most predictive in
terms of its predictive power moving forward, looking forward, as
we try to evaluate and guess how this season is
going to play out.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Okay, so what about for d visual players and their
success or individual teams. Let's take Colorado probably, I don't
know where were they in your watchability scores.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Colorado from a watchability standpoint on a weekend, week out basis,
give me one second, they did very well. They're number
five eight point two, so on a weekend, week out basis,
they're going to be in competitive games with pretty high quality.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah. So, you know, obviously last year, first year for Dione,
we didn't know what to expect, and early on unbelievably
competitive games. They start out, you know, undefeated, surprisingly when
at TCU and they look really good, and then of
course they collapsed. And now we think they've kind of
reworked some things through the portal and they're going to
the Big Twelve, which I don't know if the Big
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twelve is a lesser league all overall than what the
PAC twelve was, but the Pac twelve last year was very,
very strong, and the Big Twelve this year, we just
don't know. But how do you how do you quantify
or how do you calculate proper expectations for a team
like Colorado?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Colorado last year, Doug and then USC two years ago
in Lincoln Riley's first year, they gave us great data
points on how to project and deal with teams that
have that level of turnover. Really an absurd amount of turnover,
but that's part of today's college football and how you
build a roster. So we've learned a lot from Colorado
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and USC the last year that's helping form the projections
for this year. But I will say that for teams
like that, that's where you have the highest level of uncertainty,
the highest range of outcome, the widest range of outcomes.
There's a fifteen percent chance for me that Colorado wins
at least eight regular season games. There's also a seven
percent chance that they fail to reach for regular season wins.
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So there's a wide range of outcomes for Colorado. With
the models trying to do, it's kind of thread that
needle and find the middle ground. But admittedly, when you
have that level of turnover, especially on a year in
year out basis from either the roster and or the
coaching staff, you get the uncertainty. But if we look
at Colorado this year, certainly we expect them to be improved.
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Last year they finished in the Power Ratings number seventy two.
I'm projecting number forty three this year. The offense should
be about where it was. It's the defense, of course,
that's going to need to take a step four and
that's what held them back really last year down the stretch.
And if we go down the schedule right now, Colorado
is not favored in many conference games by my numbers.
We've got them favored against Baylor in Week four, got
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them favored against Cincinnati in Week nine, both of those
games at home. But outside of that, not being favored
at any other Big twelve games. That's not to say
they aren't going to win more than just two Big
Twelve games. I'm projecting four and five as the most
likely record. But Colorado is not a team that I
expect to be contending for a spot in Arlington. I
think there's about ten teams in the Big Twelve you
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can make a case for. Colorado is not included in
those top ten for me in the Big Twelve this year.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, Kelly, what about Alabama? Nick Saban is a legend.
He retires, and and now you bring in a coach
who was last head coach University of Washington killing de
boor what are proper What does the numbers say the
expectations should be for the time.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
So Alabama, the numbers, the model is still really high
on Alabama, and it is worth considering. You know, they've
lost Nick Saban, who, in many people's opinion, including mine,
the greatest college football head coach to ever do it.
But this roster is still loaded and Kaylin de Bore,
who they're bringing in, is a proven winner. He has
won at every single stop he's been at, regardless of
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the level, regardless of the amount of resources. The spotlight's
never been bigger and brighter than it is on him
right now at Alabama following the legend, but my model
is still high on Alabama. I have the Crimson type
power rated number five, which is what they were last
year as well. I have this offense as the number
six unit in the country. The defense is number projecting
is number eight for me. There is only one game
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on the regular season schedule in which my numbers currently
make Alabama an underdog. That is Week five, when Georgia,
my number one power team comes to Tuscaloosa. I got
a thirty eight percent chance that Alabama wins that game.
Nine to ten wins is looking like the most likely
win total for this Alabama team based on my numbers
right now. But Alabama is the third favorite in the
(16:14):
SDC to win the SEC Championship by my numbers, behind
Georgia and then Texas, who is similarly rated to Alabama
from a power rating standpoint. However, Texas is scheduled significantly easier.
I've got Alabama as the number nine most difficult schedule
in the country, so expectations are still high. This is
a team that should be contending for a spot in Atlanta.
(16:35):
Certainly would expect to see Alabama in the twelve teen
college football Playoff. But I don't think it's reasonable for
Alabama fans or anybody to be expecting Kaylin Debor to
win national championships at the same rate that Nick Saban did,
just because that was absurd what Nick Saban was able
to do over the course of fifteen sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, I got I'm show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Kelly Ford is our guest. So, Kelly, you update these
things on a week to week basis leading up to
the season or do the calculations stay the same and
they and then you change them as the season evolves.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah, So in the summer here of the preseason, I
had an initial version of ratings that went out kind
of at the beginning of June. I had a second
version with some additional information that I put into the
model here at the beginning of July. I might do
one more small update in mid August, right before the
season starts. But what you see now on the website
kfour ratings dot com that version two that gives you
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a really good idea of what these teams are going
to be, at least in terms of my model's projections
for this year. And then once we get into the season. Yes,
every single week, we're going to update these numbers and
all the projections will change that go along with it,
so you can keep up with the conference championship races,
the rates for the CSP over underwin totals for all
the teams, and really everything that my numbers are saying
(17:54):
will be updated on a weekend, week out basis, including
the watchability scores for all the top games every single week.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The last thing, do your numbers predict who the Heisman
Trophy winner will be?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
So I don't do a lot of player level data
and Heisman Trophy racist things like that on more team level. However,
just as a college football fan, you know you do
have saw us on the Heisman Trophy and all of that.
But certainly it's more open this year, I'd say than
it's then you know in recent years, and I think
you could go at any number of ways. I'm not
(18:27):
necessarily sold, but it has to be a quarterback this year.
I think there are dynamic playmakers both at running back
and receiver. So even though this has been a quarterback
driven award in recent years, I think this might be
a year that we could see a non quarterback have
a chance to win it or certainly make it to
New York.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Kelly Ford. Kelly's be joining us hopefully all season long,
given us some predictors based upon the analytics for individual
college football games and then overall for our conferences and everything.
Like in the meantime, Kelly, how can somebody get your
data if they want to see it?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, well, Doug, I appreciate you having me on. You
can find me on x at Kfward Ratings, or you
can find the website kforard Ratings dot com. One or
both of those places will have all the information that
I'm putting out. So I appreciate the opportunity to come
on and look forward to hopefully doing it again soon.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
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Speaker 2 (19:24):
Let's get tough with the pock says, and now.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
What do the say?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Here's Paul Pierce talking about Bronnie James after his second
Summer League game.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
I like what I saw his aggressiveness. You know, it
is Summer League, so Skip, I've played in Summer League.
I've watched Summer League for a lot of years. I
really don't put too much stock in it. But if
you're asking me what I see, I see a kid
that connects, who could be serviceable. And when I watched Ronnie,
you know, he obviously displayed some great intensity I think
(19:55):
on the defensive end. Obviously he needs to have more
confidence in his offense. I don't think he was aggressive enough.
I don't think he'd looked to take his shots. But
he has to still kind of wonder, you know, what
his niche is gonna be in this league. And to me,
I think he could be that three and D guy,
you know, but he has to show me a little
(20:16):
more aggressiveness. He played twenty to nine minutes, you know,
got three shots up. I need somebody a little more aggressive.
And I know it's summer league, and you know, he's
the type of player that you know, maybe needs someone
to create offense for him. You know, you know, he
has at times can create offense for himself. But if
he wants to establish his niche and wants to be
(20:37):
a guy that gets minutes in an NBA game, he
has to show confidence in his offense. And he got
a knockdown shots. That's what I see. You know, being
a defensive guy is all good and all, but in
this NBA, this is a make or miss league and
you're gonna hear this all the time, and if you
can't make shots, it's gonna be tough for you to play,
especially at the guard slot.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I think it's there's there's more to it than
than just that. You know, there's more to it than
just that this Like we got to stop with the
with the bullshit about Brownie. You know, there are no
six one and a half three and D guys. Three
in D guys are six six to six nine because
(21:22):
they can guard four positions and then they can stand
in the corner six to one and a half guys
and stop with it. We got long arms. Yeah, everybody's
six to seven in the NBA has long arms. They
have a six ten six eleven wingspan. Like, what are
we doing?
Speaker 7 (21:37):
You know?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I heard Skip say, well, you know, he's not good
in the kind of freelance, selfish style of of of
summer league basketball, Like, dude, if you like you played
twenty five minutes, you only get three shots up. I
agree with Paul Pierce, Like it's just a different mentality.
He's not athletic from an overall athletic standpoint, straight line
(22:00):
and jumping, he is, but that's not great athleticism like
his dad, he's not great. Latterly, now his dad is
able to get away with it because he's six foot
eight two hundred and sixty pounds. He's six one and
a half two hundred ten pounds. It's completely different calculation.
So we got to stop, like we keep looking for
something and trying to make him into something that he's not. Honestly,
(22:22):
Paul's Paul is giving a really nice version of the truth,
which is like, yay, he's kind of got to find
his role. Yeah, he's kind of at three and D
and he's just saying, there's not a lot there, not
a lot there. And the more we try and make
it out like there is more there, the more we
look foolish doing it. Here's Hall of Famer Jim Beheim
(22:43):
and Dan Patrick talking about the US men's national team.
Speaker 7 (22:46):
Zalen Brown's a great player. I don't think anybody's disputing that,
and I'm sure that they. I think they sell when
this happened. They had Kawhi obviously in quiet. Leonard is
as good as anybody, so they were set at forward
when Kawhi went down. I think they made the decision
they wanted another guard that to pressure the ball. It's
(23:09):
a little bit of guesswork on my part, but I
think that's what I heard from conversations. They have a
great team. I'm anxious to see employ. I think when
they get rolling, they've got We never had the shot
blockers with like Anthony Davis and Joe and b We
didn't have that really with our Olympic teams. We had
(23:31):
the guard playing the forward play, but we didn't have
that shop. Maybe got a shot bocker. They changed shots
last night, and they're gonna have to contend with when
Bayana and they're gonna have to go bear with France.
That's always going to be tough. But I just I
like this team. I think they'll be fun to watch
(23:51):
and I think the Olympics will be great. I think
it'll be a great team to watch see how they developed.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The big thing there, he pointed out, like we get
so caught up in who's like the next best player
who hasn't been selected, and the reality to it is
that it's about a team. It's about fitting together pieces
on a team that work and when you bring in
a guy who is just going to be happy to
(24:18):
be there, just gonna facilitate, can shoot and can guard,
you know, you know, multiple positions. Apparently that's what they want.
You know, I would have thought they would have wanted
a guy who's you know, a Jalen Brown is a
tremendous defender, a tremendous slasher. He's not an e leite shooter.
(24:39):
He's not an elite ball handler. So I do get
that the games are different. And oh yeah, by the way,
one of the things, one of the misconceptions, I don't
believe Canada is gonna be any good in the Olympics,
not because Canada doesn't have good players from NBA standards,
but they that's not a great international team. They don't
play great international basketball. They're like a hybrid of trying
to play NBA basketball with some of the international rules,
(25:00):
and it's not there. Like I'm telling you, those other
teams with lesser name talent, the Spains, the Argentinas, the Italy's,
the Francis, those are harder teams to play against because
they play play against in these rules more often. This
is Colin Coward comparing the US Olympic Team to the
ninety two Dream Team.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
The nineteen ninety two Dream Team was amazing, and a
lot of people get to my age, they get gray
hair and they love looking in the rear view mirror
and they just romanticize everything. It's like if you want
to wake up and listen to Stairway to Heaven from
led Zeppelin. It was awesome and it takes you back
(25:40):
to a different time, but it takes two and a
half minutes to get into the lyrics. Jimmy Page is
on a riff and that was basketball back then. Down
to the center, pounded on the floor, very little ball movement.
It was a very position oriented game. You could do
certain things as a forward, you do certain things as
(26:01):
a center. Players can do anything in everything. Now Wemby
is seven to four handles it behind the back, passing, shot,
blocking three pointers.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
The world is.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Different now and it's not a bad thing. Two things
can be possibly true at the same time. The nineteen
ninety two team beating Tunisia by sixty was amazing and
a thing of beauty. But this team's bench has starters
on that team. Scotty Pippen I covered him in Portland,
not close to Jason Tatum, Patrick Ewing's not nearly as
(26:35):
good as Anthony Davis. Christian Layner on that team, ant
off the bench.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
On this team.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Christian Layner was the last guy on the bench. Like,
what the fuck is Colin actually talking about? And like, look,
Lebron's been an all time great player. He's he's basically
Larry Bird on this team. He's a shell of what
he used to be. Okay, Kevin Durant in many ways,
same thing, right, And Michael Jordan was the absolute best
(27:08):
player in the game. There is no best player in
the game on this roster of the way that Jordan
was the best player in the game in ninety two.
There is no magic Johnson. Maybe magic is okay, we'll
give magic is Lebron and kd is Bird? Okay? Those
are those are all awash, all a wash. Tell me
(27:29):
the Stockton, Stockton or Halliburton. Are we fucking are we
having this discussion? Colin? You want to sound dumb, that's
that's one that would go ahead. Try it, try it
on the street, Go like, hey, Tyrese Haliburton and John Stockton,
what do you think? And while we can defame Patrick Ewing.
We actually also understand, okay that in Foeba basketball, Patrick
(27:50):
Ewing is actually more useful in many ways than Anthony Davis's.
And I think Anton Davis is awesome. So uh, one,
you're doing the opposite of romanticizing, you're actually hating. And
second of all, you're not equating it to European basketball,
where intelligence like that you know of magic of Bird
(28:14):
I think is only equated by Lebron but nobody else
on this team. You don't have a John Stockton. And
though I don't love Pat Ewing, you know, in the NBA,
in comparisons to the all time great players, I will
tell you that he's a better fitter Nashley than Anthony Davis's.
That's what the Fox says. Let's find out who are
(28:36):
what's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And now it's your annoying, uh, Doug Umar Johnson, Umar
doctor Umar Johnson on his Wikipedia is what's the doctor of?
Doesn't say, well, here it is, Okay, he's an American
black activist, COMMA social media personality school psychologist, so maybe
(29:05):
he has a PhD or something and then a motivational speaker. Anyways,
I guess he's a He's a guest on The Breakfast
Club a Lot, which is an iHeart media property, if
I'm not mistaken out of New York, very popular show.
And he got on the subject of JJ Reddick's hiring
by the Lakers.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I'm disappointed in Black America because I feel like they're
attacking Brownie more than JJ red agree with. How the
hell is Bronnie James getting all this heat from Black America,
but JJ Reddick ain't getting all the sea. JJ redickan
never won nothing. He ain't went nothing in college. He
ain't win nothing in the NBA. He won no MVP.
I don't know if he was ever a first team
(29:47):
offense or defense, maybe once or twice, but he clearly
don't have the record of a Sam Cassell. Sam Cassell
should have been offered that Lakers job, and if not
the Lakers job, one of the coaching vacancy's. Look at
all these good black assistant coaches out there who are
being overlooked for white privilege. JJ Reddick did not earn
that position. They gave it to him. But rather than
attack that, we want to attack the nineteen year old kid.
(30:09):
I want lebron to play with his son, because the
optics of that I think will be very positive for
young black males, and I think it could be a
small motivation for black men to do more with their
sons and more with our boys. So I want to
see lebron and Bronnie on the same court.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
There's so many things wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I want you to tell me how many things.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, let's go through it. Okay, So he doesn't insinuate.
He says that white coaches are getting opportunities over black
men because of white privilege in the NBA, Like, do
you know how fucking stupid that is? That statement is?
Does anybody do you have any fucking again? What is
(30:54):
he a doctor of new rule? Don't call yourself a
fucking doctor. Unlet's one, you have a doctorate, and even
then nobody really wants to call you doctor unless you
know you're an actual medical doctor.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And secondly, school psychologist.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
School psychologist. Okay, so he's a doctor of psychology. Does
he have an actual doctorate?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Unclear?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Unclear? Well, how about you read a fucking history book.
How about you know a little bit about something you
talk about before you basically call the NBA in the
NBA's owners racists, okay, because one nobody likes being called racists,
especially people that aren't. And in the absolute most liberal sport,
there is one which has granted more black men the privilege,
(31:39):
if you will, of being a head coach, being a
general manager, having being a broadcaster without any sort of
without any sort of work to get there, okay, because
you don't have to earn it by necessarily coaching. Same
is true with Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd not only just
got done playing, and yes, if if for doctor whatever
(31:59):
the fun his name is, thinks that, oh, you had
to win a championship as a player, all right, He
won a championship. He also had a dui the summer before.
He was a head coach with the Nets. He had
never been a system before. Doc Rivers didn't win a championship,
he'd never been a system before. Where the fuck are
you then? Why is it only a good thing for
black men to use nepotism to get their son in
(32:22):
the NBA and get completely and utterly exposed, which is
happening here in the Summer League. Like I feel bad
for Brownie, all these fucking idiots making out to be
something that's not. This is dad getting him on a team,
just like me putting my son on an AU team
which he doesn't belong in. It sucks, Okay, I did
this mistakenly with my son. There's a program called Austin Select.
(32:45):
It's really good, I think, frankly. They use older players.
My son got a chance to play with him in
a tournament and they were winning every game by twenty
and thirty points. But he just athletically wasn't at that level.
It was very, very obvious, and I felt like in
a fucking idiot for doing it. Okay, but it wasn't
the NBA, where now you get really exposed. So if
(33:07):
you haven't like so, the NBA because Sam Cassell hasn't
gotten a job is racist, like shot the actual these
are the people that are the problem. Are there racists
that are problem? Sure, you know what they don't occupy
They don't occupy the space of the NBA. The only
racists in the NBA are people who don't know dick
about the NBA and make it out that the NBA
(33:28):
would be in any way racist. It, by the way,
is why the truth is. For people who have asked me,
they're like, what do you know about you? Know people
holding race against you. I live in basketball and the
basketball world nord. To be white and survive, you have
to be one and a half times as good as
you should be. That's the reality to it. So I
actually understand how black men feel in other parts of
(33:52):
society where they feel like they have to be one
and a half times that of whoever they're competing. It
gets because of past stereotypes. I get it, but there
are so many mistakes in what he's saying. JJ Reddick's
getting white privilege, Like what, huh? He played like fifteen
(34:16):
years in the NBA, was a really good player, and
by the way, people shout on JJ Reddick when he
was drafted to because they thought it was too high
and it probably was. The end up becoming a player
as are more valuable than the spot in which he
was picked. Then he became a broadcaster, and then he
became a coach. It's a pattern we've seen. Doc Rivers
is the perfect example. Steve Kerr is another example. These
(34:37):
guys never coached before, and they've been really good coaches
and they've ended up winning a championship. It doesn't mean
that he's gonna win a championship doesn't mean he's not
gonna win a championship. It just means, don't tell me
that this path is something that only white men get
to go down. Black men get to go down to
either as well. And you know what the one correlation
is they have to have played substantial time in the
NBA where people think they know what the fuck they're
talking about. What else annoys you?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I think that's a walkoff, but I do want to
play this. Dylan Brooks is annoyed for many reasons. I
don't even know what team he's on right now. Is
maybe it's a Grizzlies Rockets. I think Rockets. Okay, So
Dylan Brooks is on the Canadian team and he said
this before the game against the USA yesterday to your personal.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Review about what based not only Wednesday, but when you
get to Paris and probably some in the United States
and knocked out rock Yet we.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Gotta pay every teams that maybe the scout.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Against US if you couldn't make that out. He says
that this US team has to guard they have to
guard us. And then the Canada swiftly went out and
scored seventy two points against Team USA and their first
game by the way these guys have always been together,
probably four days. So Dylan Brooks, for a multitude of reasons,
(35:54):
is really annoying. In fact, picked your winner dog doctor
Umar or Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Doctr Umar, doctor rumer. That's any.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I do.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Because we can, Doug.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
But you know, my athletic career ended after my senior
high school. But everyone, everyone who's ever played sports knows
the guy on the team that the coach screwed. The
coach screwed me. The coach had it out for me. Yeah,
because coaches don't like to win. They just like to
make personal choices to ruin your life. That the coach
screwed you. It had nothing to do with your athletic ability.
(36:41):
Baron Davis gave his version of the coach screwed me
on Draymond Green's podcast, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
And so I always felt like coach k had like
we hate on them, you know what I mean? And
I was right about that.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Why did you say he was right about that?
Speaker 10 (36:55):
Because he hated on me During the Olympic tryouts, I
was I went off of twenty three eight and didn't
get a tryout. Well, I can't get a tryout, like,
name thirty people better than me. Okay, name twelve, Name
four guards better than me? The coach kter. Do you
(37:16):
think that stems from you not going to Duke and
going to the Absolutely. He wrote about it in his book.
Every motherfucker that was in front of me or I
got invited was sorry guards you know you asked me,
They're sorry.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
We got invited.
Speaker 10 (37:30):
He weake as fuck. You know this is my heart talking.
I respect his game. I think Luke written out was
a good player. Like you know we talking to hoopers.
It's like, are you fucking kidding?
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Man?
Speaker 10 (37:40):
This is ill homie.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
He's right, and he's right that that the duke thing
plays a factor. He also is is forgetting the fact
that one hurt his knee when he's in college. Secondly,
didn't have a great reputation at any point in time
in terms of how he worked with coaches. So some
of it is, hey, can you get along with coaches?
(38:03):
Can you get along with people? Is the reality to it?
Reality to it? Why can we play it for you?
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