July 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug defends Grant Hill and Team USA's decision to replace Kawhi Leonard with Derrick White as opposed to his Celtics' teammate Jaylen Brown. Doug gives his eval of Bronny James after his second summer league outing. Doug welcomes The Athletic's Jovan Buha on to discuss Bronny, the Lakers' off-season and all of the other major headlines on the Lakers. Plus, Jason Stewart takes Doug and the crew through a new game.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I'm pretty excited about it, you know, pretty pretty excited
about it. I have just made appeel case to the
NCAA with the use of social media. I'm pretty excited
about that. We're going to talk about that during the show,
for sure. For sure. You know, Bronnie James, what was it.
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He he's underwhelmed. I've seen that before. Brian James is underwhelming. No,
he's whelming. He's whelming. He's just as whelming as he's
ever been whelming. Let's not act like he's doing anything
other than all he's done when he's played. I love that.
Like I'm waiting for Brian James to take over a game.
(01:32):
Hey man, keep waiting. I don't understand people who will
say that Bronnie James is somehow going to take over
a game at the professional level when he didn't take
over a game in college, and he didn't take over
a game in high school. Can somebody help me out
with that? That is like, literally never happen. I don't,
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I truly, truly don't understand that. We'll get to that
more in a second. Let's start with I guess it's
the news today, which is Team USA beat Team Canada.
And here's one of the mistakes that we're making. We're
American sports fans. We just don't understand that we think
basketball is basketball is basketball is basketball. And the reality
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is that while we've had some really good Olympic teams
in the past couple of times, those games continue to
get tighter and tighter and tighter. Even the redeemed team,
if not for Kobe Bryant kind of bailing us out
and seemingly single handley holding off Spain and winning the game.
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We might have lost that one. And while there were
some NBA players on the Spanish team, the reality is,
if you were to pick for any NBA team, pau
Gasol wouldn't have been a top five pick. It just
wouldn't have. Rudy Fernandez didn't do much in the NBA.
It's a different style of playing a game that many
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of us grew up playing. And we make that same
mistake with Canada. We start looking at all the Canadian
players like Shay Gildess, Alexander, We're like man Shake Guilds.
Alexander MVP candidate, one of the bright young up and
coming stars in the NBA. Granted worst television commercial at
the basketball season, but otherwise outstanding player. You look at
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all the guys that they have, the Jamal Murrays of
the War like NBA champion, He's a stud. No argument there.
It is a different sport. Canada is not going to
win a gold medal, not because they don't have the
quote unquote talent. They have American style talent, not international
style talent. Different game, which is interesting as it gets
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to why Grant Hill decided to not take Jalen Brown
as part of the Olympic team. Remember why Leonard was
the guy who pulled out because of injury and USA
Basketball selected Derek White to replace Gawhi Leonard. Here's the
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head of the GM of the USA men's national team,
Grant Hill, when he was asked about why they chose
Derek White over Jalen Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And you have to build a team, and one of
the hardest things is leaving people off the roster that
I'm a fan of, that I look forward to watching
throughout the season, throughout the playoffs. Guys who've been finals, MVPs,
guys who've been a part of the program, Guys who've
won gold medals, Guys who I respect, admire and enjoy watching.
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But the responsibility that I have is to put together
a team and a team that compliments each other, a
team that fits a team that will give us the
best opportunity to be for success.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, of course, uh. Jalen Brown tweeted at Nike, this
what we're doing. Obviously, Jalen Brown not a Nike guy.
USA basketball is sponsored by Nike. Interesting, Grant Hill brought up, Hey,
you know I have my career. I was sponsored by Fila. Right,
here's Jason Tatum, Brown's teammate, asked earlier today about Jaalen Brown.
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I'm talking about having Jalen Hare.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Huh, Yeah, I mean this is so many guys that could,
you know, take the last spot or whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It is yeah, I mean like and and if that
sounds kind of weak, it sounded weak to me as well.
But he's right. There's plenty of guys that could have
been on that roster that would have been a good
fit that you could have selected. Heck, you could have
gone with Cooper Flagg, who had had a great showing
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at the USA at Team USA's practices. You could have
gone with Zachy who's in the NBA, has been a
two time College Basketball Player of the Year, and that
would that would have made complete sense, right, A good
reward a lah Christian Latner. But I believe he is Canadian.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's my fault. I did blow that one. My fault.
He's Canadian's in the Canadian team. We could have absorbed
him and we brought in em Beid. He's not playing
for Cameroon anymore. Anyway, point is good catch. By the way,
Jase too, The point is that. I think what happened
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is exactly what Grant Hill said when he says team
you'll have people go well, that means that Jalen Brown's
a bad teammate. They don't want him. Could be? Could be?
I mean, listen, it's not crazy to say that guys
didn't get along with Jalen Brown or he couldn't get
along with Steve Kerry. There is a lot of talk,
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by the way in the NBA that Jalen Brown no
one's playing for a white coach anymore, just a reality guy,
that he stopped listening to Steve Kerr. He has been
a a he's a protester, He's somebody who is extremely
progressive in his views and he supports it with his
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good works in Atlanta. I don't say that with any
sort of ill intent. I'm telling you the reality of
what people in the NBA have said is that in
terms of relating to him, communicating with him and guys
that he wants to play for, there's a reason that
Brad Stevens felt like it was better to kick himself upstairs.
And I think Jalen Brown and the fact that he
couldn't get Jalen Brown to take the next step in
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his career was a part of his frustration. And Jalen's
a great player and he is a lot like Kawhi
Leonard and that he brings it at both ends. But
I think the other possibility is probably the greater likelihood,
and that greater likelihood is Derek White can stay out
of the way. And oh yeah, by the way, they
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identified what Derek has in terms of defensive versatility, shot making,
and he doesn't have to have the ball in his
hands to be effective. I understand that Kyrie Irving, based
upon skill set, can sit there and be like Isaiah Thomas,
I fit the criteria. You know, I'm gonna take it personally.
That's great. But what it tells you when you take
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it Derek White over at Kyrie Irving is we want
a guy who doesn't need the ball to have a
good game, who doesn't need to dribble the ball fifteen
times to make a play. James Harden is plenty accomplished,
He's not getting that call. Kyrie Irving gets plenty accomplished
and plenty good enough. He's not getting that call. What
are the correlations here? Those guys drible away too much
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and the dribbling is not valued in FIBA basketball. It's
a lot more about ball movement and space and then
defensive versatility and the ability to guard bigger players, bigger guards,
guys that back you down. It'll be inter just to
see how effective Steph is, because he's as good as
anyone's ever been as a six foot two ish guard.
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But I mean, you look, Damian Lillard struggled last time
in the Olympics. You just did, so I know we
want to make it out to be all these conspiracy
theories and Jalen Brown calling out Nike, Like whatever, dude,
if you think Nike made the call, Like, does Nike
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really make it the call for Derek White as supposed
to Jalen Brown, That doesn't make any sense to me.
Derek White's not some signature Nike player. I don't I
don't understand. It's like Steph Curry is playing in his
first Olympic Games. Now, some of it was because he's
trying to avoid illness with his wife trying to get pregnant,
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and he's been hurt for other opportunities before. But the
fact is that these this roster is supposed to be
selective and not everybody gets picked, and it's an impossible
situation for Grant Hill, and the idea that it's because
of Nike is kind of laughable.
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Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio. You know,
I've I've read several different places. I've read several different places,
uh something about Bronnie James. Matter of fact, actually, Jay Stewt,
you brought it to my attention because you said, have
you you watched you know when we talked to Early Day,
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You're like, have you did you you know, did you
watch Bronnie play? And I said, yeah, I've watched. I've
watched Brinnie play. And you said, okay, well what'd you think?
And I was like, yeah, Well, that's that's that's Bronnie.
That that's just Ronnie James right to a t. That's
that's how he plays. That's who he is? Is that right?
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Is that kind of who I what? We what we said?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Pretty much? I mean I told you that I've read
in multiple places. In fact, if you google right now,
Brownie underwhelmed in game two, and you've made it pretty
clear from the beginning that you have pretty low expectations
for the kid. Anyways, so I'm guessing you don't think
he's underwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, no, no, so so again, I I'm sure when
this comes out, Okay, I'm actually positive that when this
comes out, one thing will happen. Okay, I'll be called
a hater because that's that's the pushback against anybody who
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says anything constructive in terms of criticism. But what you
hear from people and if what we'll do this a
little bit more on the podcast. We have more time.
By the way, download the Doug Gottlieb Show podcast available.
We have a podcast asked only a version. But I
was listening to Paul Pierce today and Paul Pierce is
on Undisputed on Fox Sports one and he's like, man,
he really needs to kind of take over. He's a
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takeover And I've heard Skip Bayles say, yeah, he doesn't
do well with the with the selfish one on one
mentality of Summer League. This is this is Paul Pierce
earlier today on I Believe on Fox Sports one on Undisputed.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I like, what I saw his aggressiveness. You know, it
is summer league, so skip, I played in Summer League.
I've watched summer League for a lot of years. I
really don't put too much stock in it. But if
you're asking me what I see, I see a kid
that connects, who could be serviceable. And when I watched Ronnie,
you know, he obviously displayed some great intensity I think
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on the defensive end. Obviously he needs to have more
confidence in his offense. I don't think he was aggressive enough.
I don't think he'd looked to take his shots. But
he has to still kind of wonder, you know, what
his niche is going to be in this league. And
to me, I think he could be that three and
D guy, you know, but he has to show me
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a little more aggressiveness. He played twenty to nine minutes,
you know, got three shots up. I need to be
a little more aggressive. And I know it's summer league,
and you know, he's the type of player that, you know,
maybe need someone to create offense for him. You know,
you know he has at times can create offense for himself.
But if he wants to establish his niche and wants
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to be a guy that gets minutes in an NBA game.
He has to show confidence in his offense, and he
got a knockdown shots. That's what I see. You know,
being a defensive guy is all good and all, but
this NBA, this is a make or mis league, and
you're gonna hear this all the time. And if you
can't make shots, it's gonna be tough for you to play,
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especially at the guard slot.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Look, there's a ton of truth there to what Paul
Piers is saying. But here here's the big thing. We're
asking people ask all the time. And remember I did
not play in the NBA. I played an NBA summer league,
and I'll never forget what I learned. This is a
very powerful lesson. Okay, you have to be more efficient
with everything you do playing less time, with more difficult
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rules against the best competition in the world. And look
where Bronnie. Ronnie has the opposite adjustment than most of
us have. Most people go to an NBA summer league,
and especially your first year out of college, and you
played thirty minutes a game, and so now you have
to adjust to You don't really have time to get
yourself warmed up. You got to come in ready to go.
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If you're a shooter, you got to get ready to go,
ready to go, get buckets. You have to kind of
relearn a skill of doing it in kind of very
short order. Okay, so Bronnie doesn't have that because he
didn't play with exception of a couple of games extended minutes.
But we're they're asking Ronnie James to be somebody who's
more aggressive offensively, has more of an alpha mentality, is
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more of a dominant player at the college level. And
guess what, we're asking him to do something he's never done.
He's never been aggressive in college. He wasn't particularly aggressive
in high school. I don't believe he ever had over
twenty five, let alone thirty points in high school ever. Ever,
your expectations of him exceed his level of competency. This
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is the Peter principal. It's the Peter principle, even the
idea that he could be a three and D player.
Three and D players are almost all six ' five
to six foot nine, and the reason they're the three
and D players is they're great defensive players, but they
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also have the capability of guarding four positions because they're
six foot eight six foot nine with the seven foot wingspan,
not six foot one and a half with a six
foot six and a half six foot seven wingspan. He's little,
he's not particularly athletic latterly vertically and straight line. He
is just like his dad. But we're asking me a
three and D player. It's never what he's done. And
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oh yeah, by the way, he's too small to do that.
We're asking him to have some sort of alpha mentality. Offensively,
he doesn't do that either. It's not who he is.
Why are we asking somebody to do something that he's
just not capable of. I actually believe that one thing
that benefits him is he hasn't been a selfish, go
one on one, take your own shots, take every shot
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sort of guy. He can play off the basketball, but
that's the only thing that he does. He's too much
of a role player. He cannot break out of that.
And on one hand, you know, Skip wants to say
this style of basketball doesn't suit him, but college did neither,
and Sierra Kanaan he wasn't a star there. So what
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style of basketball would make him come out of some
sort of shell. Nothing, because it's not a shell. This
is who he is. The Peter principal states that a
person who is competent at their job will earn a
promotion to a position that requires a different set of skills.
If the promoted person lacks the set of skills required
for the new role, they will be incompetent at the
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new level and they will not be promoted again. That
is the Peter principle in a nutshell, and we all
know it from work. Guy was a great salesman, somehow
becomes a sales manager and that doesn't work. Just like
Brownie James is a good prospect, a good high school player.
He was on his path to becoming a solid college player.
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I've said all along he should have gone to Kane,
played for Lebron's best friend, played a bunch of minutes,
learn to become an outfit. Now we're asking him to
do something which is a different skill set that has
ever been required of him previously, and he's not that guy.
This is the Peter principle. Let's get to Isaac Low
and Crown with an update, Hilo.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Perhaps Ronnie would be better serve getting some experience with
the ural great perm like you did.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Huh, your great perm lost one game in the six
months I was there.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I'm just saying we were one of the best.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Teams in Europe. He would not have seen the floor
in your Great Perm. I split time. You're a great Perm.
That was an unbelievable basketball team.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I just think that the Ural Great Perm is one
of the greatest sports nicknames that we've ever not heard about.
I mean, is there a logo some guy with a mullet?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No Perm or pat him is actually a city. It's
on the base of the Ural Mountains. It's on the
Kama River, and it's it. If you've ever watched Doctor
giovago Ah, the opening scenes in the city is Perm Russia.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
That's a small, small world.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yvanbu joins us. He's seen NBA reporter covering the Lakers
for the Athletic He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Gilban I'm wondering inside the Lakers,
what's their reaction to the first two times Ronnie has
played in Summer League.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
I think it's been as expected. He's shown flashes of
being a good defender. This past game two steals, three blocks.
He's been something of a defensive playmaker. There's been several
other possessions. He's been able to turn guys with his
hips and just you know, being big and why. Defensively,
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there's also a viral clip last night where he was
battling a big four post position and denied and entry pass.
So like they're seeing defensively the potential that they believe
is there with him. Offensively, it's more of a work
in progress. But I think anyone expecting him to be
a scorer is misguided in terms of what his offensive
role is going to be. It's more it's going to
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be operating off the ball and catching shoot opportunities. So
you know, he's struggled overall. I think he's three for
thirteen through the two games, but that's what some league's
for is is kind of ironing out those kinks and
figuring out his role. So I think overall they've been
rather pleased with the way that he's performed and him
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you know, handling the pressure like I was there that
that first game, and the buzz in the arena was palpable,
and anytime he touched the ball, the crowd is going crazy.
And the two loudest years of the evening were the
two buckets that he made, So like He's dealing with
a level of attention and scrutiny right now that is
oncommon for most rookies, even like top picks, and I
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think so far he's handled it well despite obviously some
quiet offense performances. Though again I think that more so
speaks to what his role will be at the NBA level.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
This is who he is, though he's not a score
no and he's for a three and D guy. He's small,
and I just you know, I mean, what's I guess
my issue is if it's about development, then he's got
to handle the ball more, not just stand in a corner.
But he seems like he wants to stand in a corner,
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wants to guard off the ball more than guard on
the ball.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
So I don't I think they view him more as
like a three and D shooting guard and more of
like one of these Patrick Beverly Davion Mitchell types, where
if you have a bigger ball handler, you can put
that guy next to them and they don't need the
ball to be effective. So like, I don't think he's
going to be a point guard at the next level.
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I don't think he has that level of ball handling
and playmaking skill, So it is a Niche fit offensively
for sure, and that potentially puts a cap on his ceiling.
But I think for him to become a point guard,
he has to show a level of ball handling and
playmaking that he has yet to show. So that's where
the fit offensively is certainly tricky. And like those types
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of guys like a Patrick Beverly fit very well against
the James Harden, you don't have a James Harden, that
fit isn't necessarily as natural. But I think the biggest
thing with Brownie's going to be his shooting and if
he can become a good catch and shoot player and
both hitting threes and also attacking closeouts and if guys
are or you know, closing out short, can he find
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ways to still be effective. And that remains to be
seen obviously. So yeah, I mean I think they need
to give him more on the ball reps. I just
don't think if we're projecting out what he looks like
in five to seven years, I don't think he's ever
going to be a point guard. I think he's always
going to be a small shooting guard and you're probably
going to need a bigger guard next to him.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I agree. I just don't think he's He does not
have any sort of mentality on the offensive end, and
I think defensively he's he's not great. Latterly, he's obviously
very intelligent. He's pretty strong for a kid his age,
but I just you know, the higher the level of competition,
the bigger everybody gets, and it's hard to hide him,
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Like wh're Converton and Patrick bevery like Patrick Beverley was
out of a player in college and then had with
the Ukraine, you know where he killed everybody before you
even got a shot in the NBA. That's that's that's
not where where where Brownie is like, you got to
have a level of tenacity that I don't think he has.
All Right, let's get to the rest of the Lakers.
Is this what they're going to roll out there next
year or is there some move that's yet to be made.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
I think they have to make a move, you know.
I know they've been trying that, They've been aggressive in
trying to find another three and d wing. The problem
is they have a lot of these mid size salaries
that just aren't attractive to rival suitors. And it's a
lot like us gave Vincent and D'Angel Russell's and Ruey
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Hachimaz and Jared Vannerbolts like these contractors don't have a
lot of value, So in some instances you have teams
asking for them to hatch a pick in addition to
the pick to get the other players. So a lot
of teams are asking for both of their first round picks.
They could trade twenty twenty nine, twenty thirty one, and
that is a seat price for them, and the caliber
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of player that they are willing to give up two
picks for is a bit higher than the caliber of
player that they've been in talks for. So as of now,
I think at a minimum, they need to do some
sort of consolidation trade where they show up the back
end of the roster that they have several guys like
talking about Ronnie Browny's gonna be in the G League
for most of the year, He's not going to be
a rotation guy. Then you look at Jalen huch, Chaffino,
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Maxwell Lewis, a couple of their rookies from last year.
Those guys are unlikely to be rotation guys. So you
start going through the roster and all of a sudden,
it's like you'd like spots ten to fifteen on this
roster might not be rotation caliber guys for a good
or a team that hopes to be good. So you
need to do a couple of if you're the Lakers,
you need to do a couple of consolidation trades to
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dump a couple of contracts. The names i've heard, Cam Reddish,
Christian Wood with the second round pick or two, and
then you open up some ross flexibility and then you
could go sign Gary Trent Junior, a Spencer Dinwide, or
one of the top perimeter guys available right now in
free agency. So I see them doing a marginal move
at a minimum. But as of now, it's looking like
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this is probably going to be the roster, and as
it's currently constructed, I don't think this is a true
championship contender.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
No, no, I would I tend to agree with you.
And remember you're coming off a year in which, whatever
you want to think about Darvin Ham, that's probably as
healthy as Lebron and Anthony Davis have collectively been since
they've been together with the Lakers, and they still didn't
achieve achieve great things. Jovan Bouja joining US on the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
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about D'Angelo Russell, Like, if they're going to keep this
roster together, they're going to have to get more out
of Dangel Russell. I know Austin Reeves didn't have a
great relationship with Darvin Ham, but Dangel Russell did. How
is he going to be better or how is he
going to play under JJ Reddick.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
It's a good question, and that the second that the
Angel Russell opted in, I reported as I began hearing
that they were trying to ship him out, and then
like you know, internally there's a sense that there is
a clear ceiling too. And Austin Reaves the Angel Russell
backcourt pairing because both guys, you know, have a lot
of similarities offensively in terms of like that you know
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that they're not like Austin can get downhill and he
gets to the free throw line. But for the most part,
but both guys are finesse guards offensively and you know,
very skilled players that can score at all three levels
and are good shooters. But there's just a bit of
overlap there in terms of their skill set. And then defensively,
you know, I thought Austin ramped it up toward the
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end of the season and took on a lot of
the challenges and did about as well as he could.
But neither one is necessarily a lock I mean, neither's
one a lockdown defender. And I would say the Angel
Russell is a bad defender. And so when you look
at that, it's just like there's a clear there as
to like, that is not a championship back court. And
if the Lakers want to win a championship, or at
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least give themselves a better shot to win a championship,
they need to split those guys up.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
D'Angel Russell is older, he has performed worse in the
last couple of postseasons in LA and Austin Reeves is
on a great contract. If you look at that, he's
gonna be making thirteen million dollars this year under contract
for a couple more years. So like he's on a
team friendly deal that is a really good value. So
between the two guys, the Lakers value Austin Reeves far
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more than they value the Angela Russell. And for example,
the trade deadline, Atlanta wanted Austin Reeves instead of D'anngela
Russell in a trade for de Jontay Murray. Lakers would
not include Austin Reeves, but they were going to include
D'Angelo if Atlanta would take him. So I think at
some point they need to move on from D'Angelo, whether
it's this summer or by the trade deadline, just because
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again I think there's a clear ceiling there. But I
mean with him, it's it's really not a matter of
the regular season, because he's coming up his best regular
season in several years with LA. It's more so the playoffs,
where if you just look at it, his shooting decreases
in the playoffs, and because he's a he's a negative defender,
and because he doesn't really do much else other than
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he's a good passer, but like he's not rebounding, he's
not doing these little role player things in terms of
screening and cutting all this stuff. So like it's just
he's a tough fit when he's not shooting the ball
well and not scoring. So when he becomes what you know,
the competition ramps up and teams are able to play
him more physically, he struggles. And so I think for
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the Lakers it's it's not even so much as like,
you know, how does he fit in the regular season,
It's like, how can he play better in the playoffs?
And they haven't been able to figure that out, and
they might not be able to, Like I just don't know,
Like d Angelo just might be one of those guys
that just doesn't, you know, assimilate to playoff basketball in
the way that he should. So I expect him to
move on from him at some point. It's just a
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matter of is it this summer or potentially more likely
closer to the deadline.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
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NBA reporter covering the LA Lakers. You're the best man.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Appreciate it, Doug.
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It's Dog Gottleib Show Fox Sports Radio. So, Jay stud
you see what I posted on social media in regards
to an appeal to the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Oh did I saw a video with you and the team?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay, So, for people who have yet to follow me,
on social media at gott Leap Show, Twitter and Instagram.
There's a tenement called TBT. That's the Basketball Tournament Anyway.
I've coached it in actually two different times, two different teams.
They're made up of usually professional players, some are just
former college players that didn't play professionally, you know, like
(29:58):
the great Aaron Craft, who's gonna be a doctor. He
plays for the like the Ohio State alumni team and
the winner gets two million dollars. And we have been
my program. Green Bay Basketball has been asked to participate
as they had a team pull out, and college basketball
in the off season has started to become deregulated more
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and more. You can go on a foreign trip. Used
to be once every four years. I think it might
even be once every other year. It's just very expensive.
But you cannot here's the rules. You can't play in
a non certified eventy TVT is a non certified event
in the States. You can't you can't have more than
one player from the same college on a summer league team.
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And if you're with your coaching staff, you can't travel
more than one hundred miles from your school to have
any sort of clinic, any sort of gathering together that
that revolves around basketball. So what I proposed is, hey,
look all that holds true. We understand it's in the States.
If we were to take a foreign tour, and you
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can take a foreign tour to the Bahamas, to Mexico,
to Canada. Obviously you can go to Europe as well.
If we were to go on a foreign tour to Canada,
the one hundred mile rule disappears, The only two players
from the same team rule disappears. And oh yeah, by
the way, you don't have to play on There's no
NCAA certification on any of these foreign tour games. None, none.
(31:33):
So what I proposed to the NCAA, and we're filing
an appeal, is we understand that by letter of the law,
we would violate these three aspects of the by laws
of the NCAA, but by spirit of the law, we
would not. If we counted this as our foreign tour,
We're not going to go to a foreign tour, but
the rules of the foreign tour could apply here where
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there doesn't have to be NCA's certification. We could be
more than one hundred miles from our campus, and we
could play more than two players from the same school together.
And oh yeah, by the way, we would forego the
winnings if we were so fortunate to get to that
spot by donating the winnings to charity. What do you think,
Jay Su, where's the flaw in my appellate argument?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I don't know. I don't think there's a faw. Sounds
like you got a good chance. We're just bucking the system.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Huh, it's not. I want to make sure that's not
bucking system. It's understanding the system and just trying to
let's have a realistic way to within the rules. Find
we want to call it a loophole or a workaround,
or an area in which it just makes sense. Trying
to just make it make sense.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, good luck with up.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Okay, let's get dies a glowing crown with a game.
This is game time.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show, the Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I'm firing Ilo today. I'm going to run the game
because I thought of this game this morning, and I
want Iloa to be a contestant. I want Iload to
go up against you and Chris purfet Now I've already
handicapped this game. Chris Purfett is the most educated person
on the staff. I think he's got like nine degrees,
including masters and everything.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Else and fahrenheit centigrade.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And then he also knows a lot about soccer. So
I have a feeling he's going to crush the field here.
But he admittedly is not great at trivia. So here's
the game, guys, real easy perspective. Coaching candidate for the
US men's national team or a European leader, And now
this is a European leader of a covery.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This is so good?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I might have so good because I swear to you
I don't know either.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well, here we go. Let's put that to the test.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
US Soccer is going to hire Vladimir Putin as their
new head coach.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
But go ahead, I will. We'll start with you.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Oh so we're embarrassing us one by one instead of
all together.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Great, I have to go last in all the perspective
soccer coach or European leader, all right, Victor or Bond,
victor or Bond.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Okay, I'm gonna say he's the Minister of transportation in Finland,
not a soccer coach. Oh wow, Okay, so that's a
great that's a that's a great thing.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
To do here. If you can get the actual country
that they that they lead, that's a bonus point. Now
you are right, and then Iowa wins. It's not a
soccer perspective, head coach. He's the Prime Minister of Hungary today.
If you walked into Hungry and asked for victor or bond,
they would say the prime minister if you just say ye,
so yeah, Doug Gottlieb, Yes, Purvey Renard Renard Rayn, herve Reynard.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Okay, that sounds like a French name, and I note
the French guy. People think we look alike. Plus he's
married to like his grandma and why not Hervenard?
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Huh what married to his grandma?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Well, he's married. He's like in his forties or something
and she's in her seventies.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, and there's some dispute whether or not it's a sheep.
But I don't want to I don't want to go
down that robit. So anyways, herve Reynard.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Soccer chach, soccer gay.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes, Doug Gottlieb got it right. I guess I thought
to have a bell ringing.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
She's singing.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
She's France's women's national team and she could be a
candidate for our men's national team. That's that's interesting. Herve
Renard Bernard is a woman.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
No, Hervey is the guy. Oh okay, yes he's but
he coaches women. The real issue here is is Hervese
tan Real.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
So he's the he's the gino Oriama of women's soccer
and friend, he's a man coaching in women's bart okay,
so this game is going robt. He's coached men's soccer
as well. Chris Purfet, the handicapped leader.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Handicap.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I just want to say this.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
I don't know if my handicap is good with how
well you are overdoing this act.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But go on with the name. Go on with the name.
Let's see if we can see. Okay, Georgia Meloney, Georgia Maloney.
I'm going to assume that as a politician in Italy,
boom and boom, bonus, bort wo, Chris Bet, my handicap
leader is ahead two points to Isaac's.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I mean, did you really guess energection no I Maloney,
I am.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
I don't remember the position, but I have heard the
name before in Italian politics.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's the Prime Minister of Italy. Well done, well done, Isaac.
Back to you, Mauricio.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
I'm gonna say, soccer coach.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Well done, Isaac. Two for two. Let's see, he dismissed
Chelsea in May after just one seasoned him was displased.
Everyone knew he was dismissed in May. Yeah, so uh,
I got to stump one of you guys. So, Doug,
you gotta be the first one here. Off Schultz, Off Schultz.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Minute off Schultz. I feel like I know that name
and it's like a Schultz is German and we already
had another two Jurgens. I'm gonna go politics.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Darn it, yes it is. It's a chancellor of Germany
right now, Chancellor of German.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
So not one of you had a woman chance female chancellor.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
All right, Angela Merkle that was before.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
So that's sad. Who got the bonus point the first
time around?
Speaker 9 (38:04):
Thomas tucle so whoa, whoa, Hey, I'm on, I barely
could even did soccer.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Unbelievable. What's his his background as American? Maybe another I
think is another Chelsea guy, but anyways, he's won.
Speaker 9 (38:21):
Chelsea fires coaches like every nine months. That's not a
unique title.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Wow, two quick rounds and like I like I predicted
Chris Purfet with three points, including a bonus point wins.
I didn't stump any of you guys, so maybe the
game wasn't a good idea.
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I'm pretty excited about it, you know, pretty pretty excited
about it. I have just made appeel case to the
NCAA with the use of social media. I'm pretty excited
about that. We're going to talk about that during the show,
for sure. For sure. You know, Bronnie James, what was it.
(01:11):
He he's underwhelmed. I've seen that before. Brian James is underwhelming. No,
he's whelming. He's whelming. He's just as whelming as he's
ever been whelming. Let's not act like he's doing anything
other than all he's done when he's played. I love that.
Like I'm waiting for Brian James to take over a game.
(01:32):
Hey man, keep waiting. I don't understand people who will
say that Bronnie James is somehow going to take over
a game at the professional level when he didn't take
over a game in college, and he didn't take over
a game in high school. Can somebody help me out
with that? That is like, literally never happen. I don't,
(01:57):
I truly, truly don't understand that. We'll get to that
more in a second. Let's start with I guess it's
the news today, which is Team USA beat Team Canada.
And here's one of the mistakes that we're making. We're
American sports fans. We just don't understand that we think
basketball is basketball is basketball is basketball. And the reality
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is that while we've had some really good Olympic teams
in the past couple of times, those games continue to
get tighter and tighter and tighter. Even the redeemed team,
if not for Kobe Bryant kind of bailing us out
and seemingly single handley holding off Spain and winning the game.
(02:40):
We might have lost that one. And while there were
some NBA players on the Spanish team, the reality is,
if you were to pick for any NBA team, pau
Gasol wouldn't have been a top five pick. It just
wouldn't have. Rudy Fernandez didn't do much in the NBA.
It's a different style of playing a game that many
(03:03):
of us grew up playing. And we make that same
mistake with Canada. We start looking at all the Canadian
players like Shay Gildess, Alexander, We're like man Shake Guilds.
Alexander MVP candidate, one of the bright young up and
coming stars in the NBA. Granted worst television commercial at
the basketball season, but otherwise outstanding player. You look at
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all the guys that they have, the Jamal Murrays of
the War like NBA champion, He's a stud. No argument there.
It is a different sport. Canada is not going to
win a gold medal, not because they don't have the
quote unquote talent. They have American style talent, not international
style talent. Different game, which is interesting as it gets
(03:49):
to why Grant Hill decided to not take Jalen Brown
as part of the Olympic team. Remember why Leonard was
the guy who pulled out because of injury and USA
Basketball selected Derek White to replace Gawhi Leonard. Here's the
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head of the GM of the USA men's national team,
Grant Hill, when he was asked about why they chose
Derek White over Jalen Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And you have to build a team, and one of
the hardest things is leaving people off the roster that
I'm a fan of, that I look forward to watching
throughout the season, throughout the playoffs. Guys who've been finals, MVPs,
guys who've been a part of the program, Guys who've
won gold medals, Guys who I respect, admire and enjoy watching.
(04:48):
But the responsibility that I have is to put together
a team and a team that compliments each other, a
team that fits a team that will give us the
best opportunity to be for success.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, of course, uh. Jalen Brown tweeted at Nike, this
what we're doing. Obviously, Jalen Brown not a Nike guy.
USA basketball is sponsored by Nike. Interesting, Grant Hill brought up, Hey,
you know I have my career. I was sponsored by Fila. Right,
here's Jason Tatum, Brown's teammate, asked earlier today about Jaalen Brown.
(05:22):
I'm talking about having Jalen Hare.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Huh, Yeah, I mean this is so many guys that could,
you know, take the last spot or whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It is yeah, I mean like and and if that
sounds kind of weak, it sounded weak to me as well.
But he's right. There's plenty of guys that could have
been on that roster that would have been a good
fit that you could have selected. Heck, you could have
gone with Cooper Flagg, who had had a great showing
(05:55):
at the USA at Team USA's practices. You could have
gone with Zachy who's in the NBA, has been a
two time College Basketball Player of the Year, and that
would that would have made complete sense, right, A good
reward a lah Christian Latner. But I believe he is Canadian.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's my fault. I did blow that one. My fault.
He's Canadian's in the Canadian team. We could have absorbed
him and we brought in em Beid. He's not playing
for Cameroon anymore. Anyway, point is good catch. By the way,
Jase too, The point is that. I think what happened
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is exactly what Grant Hill said when he says team
you'll have people go well, that means that Jalen Brown's
a bad teammate. They don't want him. Could be? Could be?
I mean, listen, it's not crazy to say that guys
didn't get along with Jalen Brown or he couldn't get
along with Steve Kerry. There is a lot of talk,
(06:55):
by the way in the NBA that Jalen Brown no
one's playing for a white coach anymore, just a reality guy,
that he stopped listening to Steve Kerr. He has been
a a he's a protester, He's somebody who is extremely
progressive in his views and he supports it with his
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good works in Atlanta. I don't say that with any
sort of ill intent. I'm telling you the reality of
what people in the NBA have said is that in
terms of relating to him, communicating with him and guys
that he wants to play for, there's a reason that
Brad Stevens felt like it was better to kick himself upstairs.
And I think Jalen Brown and the fact that he
couldn't get Jalen Brown to take the next step in
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his career was a part of his frustration. And Jalen's
a great player and he is a lot like Kawhi
Leonard and that he brings it at both ends. But
I think the other possibility is probably the greater likelihood,
and that greater likelihood is Derek White can stay out
of the way. And oh yeah, by the way, they
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identified what Derek has in terms of defensive versatility, shot making,
and he doesn't have to have the ball in his
hands to be effective. I understand that Kyrie Irving, based
upon skill set, can sit there and be like Isaiah Thomas,
I fit the criteria. You know, I'm gonna take it personally.
That's great. But what it tells you when you take
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it Derek White over at Kyrie Irving is we want
a guy who doesn't need the ball to have a
good game, who doesn't need to dribble the ball fifteen
times to make a play. James Harden is plenty accomplished,
He's not getting that call. Kyrie Irving gets plenty accomplished
and plenty good enough. He's not getting that call. What
are the correlations here? Those guys drible away too much
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and the dribbling is not valued in FIBA basketball. It's
a lot more about ball movement and space and then
defensive versatility and the ability to guard bigger players, bigger guards,
guys that back you down. It'll be inter just to
see how effective Steph is, because he's as good as
anyone's ever been as a six foot two ish guard.
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But I mean, you look, Damian Lillard struggled last time
in the Olympics. You just did, so I know we
want to make it out to be all these conspiracy
theories and Jalen Brown calling out Nike, Like whatever, dude,
if you think Nike made the call, Like, does Nike
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really make it the call for Derek White as supposed
to Jalen Brown, That doesn't make any sense to me.
Derek White's not some signature Nike player. I don't I
don't understand. It's like Steph Curry is playing in his
first Olympic Games. Now, some of it was because he's
trying to avoid illness with his wife trying to get pregnant,
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and he's been hurt for other opportunities before. But the
fact is that these this roster is supposed to be
selective and not everybody gets picked, and it's an impossible
situation for Grant Hill, and the idea that it's because
of Nike is kind of laughable.
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Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio. You know,
I've I've read several different places. I've read several different places,
uh something about Bronnie James. Matter of fact, actually, Jay Stewt,
you brought it to my attention because you said, have
you you watched you know when we talked to Early Day,
(10:44):
You're like, have you did you you know, did you
watch Bronnie play? And I said, yeah, I've watched. I've
watched Brinnie play. And you said, okay, well what'd you think?
And I was like, yeah, Well, that's that's that's Bronnie.
That that's just Ronnie James right to a t. That's
that's how he plays. That's who he is? Is that right?
(11:05):
Is that kind of who I what? We what we said?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Pretty much? I mean I told you that I've read
in multiple places. In fact, if you google right now,
Brownie underwhelmed in game two, and you've made it pretty
clear from the beginning that you have pretty low expectations
for the kid. Anyways, so I'm guessing you don't think
he's underwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, no, no, so so again, I I'm sure when
this comes out, Okay, I'm actually positive that when this
comes out, one thing will happen. Okay, I'll be called
a hater because that's that's the pushback against anybody who
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says anything constructive in terms of criticism. But what you
hear from people and if what we'll do this a
little bit more on the podcast. We have more time.
By the way, download the Doug Gottlieb Show podcast available.
We have a podcast asked only a version. But I
was listening to Paul Pierce today and Paul Pierce is
on Undisputed on Fox Sports one and he's like, man,
he really needs to kind of take over. He's a
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takeover And I've heard Skip Bayles say, yeah, he doesn't
do well with the with the selfish one on one
mentality of Summer League. This is this is Paul Pierce
earlier today on I Believe on Fox Sports one on Undisputed.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I like, what I saw his aggressiveness. You know, it
is summer league, so skip, I played in Summer League.
I've watched summer League for a lot of years. I
really don't put too much stock in it. But if
you're asking me what I see, I see a kid
that connects, who could be serviceable. And when I watched Ronnie,
you know, he obviously displayed some great intensity I think
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on the defensive end. Obviously he needs to have more
confidence in his offense. I don't think he was aggressive enough.
I don't think he'd looked to take his shots. But
he has to still kind of wonder, you know, what
his niche is going to be in this league. And
to me, I think he could be that three and
D guy, you know, but he has to show me
(13:13):
a little more aggressiveness. He played twenty to nine minutes,
you know, got three shots up. I need to be
a little more aggressive. And I know it's summer league,
and you know, he's the type of player that, you know,
maybe need someone to create offense for him. You know,
you know he has at times can create offense for himself.
But if he wants to establish his niche and wants
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to be a guy that gets minutes in an NBA game.
He has to show confidence in his offense, and he
got a knockdown shots. That's what I see. You know,
being a defensive guy is all good and all, but
this NBA, this is a make or mis league, and
you're gonna hear this all the time. And if you
can't make shots, it's gonna be tough for you to play,
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especially at the guard slot.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Look, there's a ton of truth there to what Paul
Piers is saying. But here here's the big thing. We're
asking people ask all the time. And remember I did
not play in the NBA. I played an NBA summer league,
and I'll never forget what I learned. This is a
very powerful lesson. Okay, you have to be more efficient
with everything you do playing less time, with more difficult
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rules against the best competition in the world. And look
where Bronnie. Ronnie has the opposite adjustment than most of
us have. Most people go to an NBA summer league,
and especially your first year out of college, and you
played thirty minutes a game, and so now you have
to adjust to You don't really have time to get
yourself warmed up. You got to come in ready to go.
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If you're a shooter, you got to get ready to go,
ready to go, get buckets. You have to kind of
relearn a skill of doing it in kind of very
short order. Okay, so Bronnie doesn't have that because he
didn't play with exception of a couple of games extended minutes.
But we're they're asking Ronnie James to be somebody who's
more aggressive offensively, has more of an alpha mentality, is
(15:06):
more of a dominant player at the college level. And
guess what, we're asking him to do something he's never done.
He's never been aggressive in college. He wasn't particularly aggressive
in high school. I don't believe he ever had over
twenty five, let alone thirty points in high school ever. Ever,
your expectations of him exceed his level of competency. This
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is the Peter principal. It's the Peter principle, even the
idea that he could be a three and D player.
Three and D players are almost all six ' five
to six foot nine, and the reason they're the three
and D players is they're great defensive players, but they
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also have the capability of guarding four positions because they're
six foot eight six foot nine with the seven foot wingspan,
not six foot one and a half with a six
foot six and a half six foot seven wingspan. He's little,
he's not particularly athletic latterly vertically and straight line. He
is just like his dad. But we're asking me a
three and D player. It's never what he's done. And
(16:16):
oh yeah, by the way, he's too small to do that.
We're asking him to have some sort of alpha mentality. Offensively,
he doesn't do that either. It's not who he is.
Why are we asking somebody to do something that he's
just not capable of. I actually believe that one thing
that benefits him is he hasn't been a selfish, go
one on one, take your own shots, take every shot
(16:38):
sort of guy. He can play off the basketball, but
that's the only thing that he does. He's too much
of a role player. He cannot break out of that.
And on one hand, you know, Skip wants to say
this style of basketball doesn't suit him, but college did neither,
and Sierra Kanaan he wasn't a star there. So what
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style of basketball would make him come out of some
sort of shell. Nothing, because it's not a shell. This
is who he is. The Peter principal states that a
person who is competent at their job will earn a
promotion to a position that requires a different set of skills.
If the promoted person lacks the set of skills required
for the new role, they will be incompetent at the
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new level and they will not be promoted again. That
is the Peter principle in a nutshell, and we all
know it from work. Guy was a great salesman, somehow
becomes a sales manager and that doesn't work. Just like
Brownie James is a good prospect, a good high school player.
He was on his path to becoming a solid college player.
(17:41):
I've said all along he should have gone to Kane,
played for Lebron's best friend, played a bunch of minutes,
learn to become an outfit. Now we're asking him to
do something which is a different skill set that has
ever been required of him previously, and he's not that guy.
This is the Peter principle. Let's get to Isaac Low
and Crown with an update, Hilo.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Perhaps Ronnie would be better serve getting some experience with
the ural great perm like you did.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Huh, your great perm lost one game in the six
months I was there.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
I'm just saying we were one of the best.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Teams in Europe. He would not have seen the floor
in your Great Perm. I split time. You're a great Perm.
That was an unbelievable basketball team.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
I just think that the Ural Great Perm is one
of the greatest sports nicknames that we've ever not heard about.
I mean, is there a logo some guy with a mullet?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No Perm or pat him is actually a city. It's
on the base of the Ural Mountains. It's on the
Kama River, and it's it. If you've ever watched Doctor
giovago Ah, the opening scenes in the city is Perm Russia.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
That's a small, small world.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yvanbu joins us. He's seen NBA reporter covering the Lakers
for the Athletic He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Gilban I'm wondering inside the Lakers,
what's their reaction to the first two times Ronnie has
played in Summer League.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
I think it's been as expected. He's shown flashes of
being a good defender. This past game two steals, three blocks.
He's been something of a defensive playmaker. There's been several
other possessions. He's been able to turn guys with his
hips and just you know, being big and why. Defensively,
(19:37):
there's also a viral clip last night where he was
battling a big four post position and denied and entry pass.
So like they're seeing defensively the potential that they believe
is there with him. Offensively, it's more of a work
in progress. But I think anyone expecting him to be
a scorer is misguided in terms of what his offensive
role is going to be. It's more it's going to
(19:58):
be operating off the ball and catching shoot opportunities. So
you know, he's struggled overall. I think he's three for
thirteen through the two games, but that's what some league's
for is is kind of ironing out those kinks and
figuring out his role. So I think overall they've been
rather pleased with the way that he's performed and him
(20:19):
you know, handling the pressure like I was there that
that first game, and the buzz in the arena was palpable,
and anytime he touched the ball, the crowd is going crazy.
And the two loudest years of the evening were the
two buckets that he made, So like He's dealing with
a level of attention and scrutiny right now that is
oncommon for most rookies, even like top picks, and I
(20:42):
think so far he's handled it well despite obviously some
quiet offense performances. Though again I think that more so
speaks to what his role will be at the NBA level.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
This is who he is, though he's not a score
no and he's for a three and D guy. He's small,
and I just you know, I mean, what's I guess
my issue is if it's about development, then he's got
to handle the ball more, not just stand in a corner.
But he seems like he wants to stand in a corner,
(21:13):
wants to guard off the ball more than guard on
the ball.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
So I don't I think they view him more as
like a three and D shooting guard and more of
like one of these Patrick Beverly Davion Mitchell types, where
if you have a bigger ball handler, you can put
that guy next to them and they don't need the
ball to be effective. So like, I don't think he's
going to be a point guard at the next level.
(21:38):
I don't think he has that level of ball handling
and playmaking skill, So it is a Niche fit offensively
for sure, and that potentially puts a cap on his ceiling.
But I think for him to become a point guard,
he has to show a level of ball handling and
playmaking that he has yet to show. So that's where
the fit offensively is certainly tricky. And like those types
(21:59):
of guys like a Patrick Beverly fit very well against
the James Harden, you don't have a James Harden, that
fit isn't necessarily as natural. But I think the biggest
thing with Brownie's going to be his shooting and if
he can become a good catch and shoot player and
both hitting threes and also attacking closeouts and if guys
are or you know, closing out short, can he find
(22:21):
ways to still be effective. And that remains to be
seen obviously. So yeah, I mean I think they need
to give him more on the ball reps. I just
don't think if we're projecting out what he looks like
in five to seven years, I don't think he's ever
going to be a point guard. I think he's always
going to be a small shooting guard and you're probably
going to need a bigger guard next to him.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I agree. I just don't think he's He does not
have any sort of mentality on the offensive end, and
I think defensively he's he's not great. Latterly, he's obviously
very intelligent. He's pretty strong for a kid his age,
but I just you know, the higher the level of competition,
the bigger everybody gets, and it's hard to hide him,
(23:03):
Like wh're Converton and Patrick bevery like Patrick Beverley was
out of a player in college and then had with
the Ukraine, you know where he killed everybody before you
even got a shot in the NBA. That's that's that's
not where where where Brownie is like, you got to
have a level of tenacity that I don't think he has.
All Right, let's get to the rest of the Lakers.
Is this what they're going to roll out there next
year or is there some move that's yet to be made.
Speaker 8 (23:27):
I think they have to make a move, you know.
I know they've been trying that, They've been aggressive in
trying to find another three and d wing. The problem
is they have a lot of these mid size salaries
that just aren't attractive to rival suitors. And it's a
lot like us gave Vincent and D'Angel Russell's and Ruey
(23:47):
Hachimaz and Jared Vannerbolts like these contractors don't have a
lot of value, So in some instances you have teams
asking for them to hatch a pick in addition to
the pick to get the other players. So a lot
of teams are asking for both of their first round picks.
They could trade twenty twenty nine, twenty thirty one, and
that is a seat price for them, and the caliber
(24:09):
of player that they are willing to give up two
picks for is a bit higher than the caliber of
player that they've been in talks for. So as of now,
I think at a minimum, they need to do some
sort of consolidation trade where they show up the back
end of the roster that they have several guys like
talking about Ronnie Browny's gonna be in the G League
for most of the year, He's not going to be
a rotation guy. Then you look at Jalen huch, Chaffino,
(24:31):
Maxwell Lewis, a couple of their rookies from last year.
Those guys are unlikely to be rotation guys. So you
start going through the roster and all of a sudden,
it's like you'd like spots ten to fifteen on this
roster might not be rotation caliber guys for a good
or a team that hopes to be good. So you
need to do a couple of if you're the Lakers,
you need to do a couple of consolidation trades to
(24:52):
dump a couple of contracts. The names i've heard, Cam Reddish,
Christian Wood with the second round pick or two, and
then you open up some ross flexibility and then you
could go sign Gary Trent Junior, a Spencer Dinwide, or
one of the top perimeter guys available right now in
free agency. So I see them doing a marginal move
at a minimum. But as of now, it's looking like
(25:14):
this is probably going to be the roster, and as
it's currently constructed, I don't think this is a true
championship contender.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
No, no, I would I tend to agree with you.
And remember you're coming off a year in which, whatever
you want to think about Darvin Ham, that's probably as
healthy as Lebron and Anthony Davis have collectively been since
they've been together with the Lakers, and they still didn't
achieve achieve great things. Jovan Bouja joining US on the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
(25:44):
about D'Angelo Russell, Like, if they're going to keep this
roster together, they're going to have to get more out
of Dangel Russell. I know Austin Reeves didn't have a
great relationship with Darvin Ham, but Dangel Russell did. How
is he going to be better or how is he
going to play under JJ Reddick.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
It's a good question, and that the second that the
Angel Russell opted in, I reported as I began hearing
that they were trying to ship him out, and then
like you know, internally there's a sense that there is
a clear ceiling too. And Austin Reaves the Angel Russell
backcourt pairing because both guys, you know, have a lot
of similarities offensively in terms of like that you know
(26:23):
that they're not like Austin can get downhill and he
gets to the free throw line. But for the most part,
but both guys are finesse guards offensively and you know,
very skilled players that can score at all three levels
and are good shooters. But there's just a bit of
overlap there in terms of their skill set. And then defensively,
you know, I thought Austin ramped it up toward the
(26:44):
end of the season and took on a lot of
the challenges and did about as well as he could.
But neither one is necessarily a lock I mean, neither's
one a lockdown defender. And I would say the Angel
Russell is a bad defender. And so when you look
at that, it's just like there's a clear there as
to like, that is not a championship back court. And
if the Lakers want to win a championship, or at
(27:05):
least give themselves a better shot to win a championship,
they need to split those guys up.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
D'Angel Russell is older, he has performed worse in the
last couple of postseasons in LA and Austin Reeves is
on a great contract. If you look at that, he's
gonna be making thirteen million dollars this year under contract
for a couple more years. So like he's on a
team friendly deal that is a really good value. So
between the two guys, the Lakers value Austin Reeves far
(27:31):
more than they value the Angela Russell. And for example,
the trade deadline, Atlanta wanted Austin Reeves instead of D'anngela
Russell in a trade for de Jontay Murray. Lakers would
not include Austin Reeves, but they were going to include
D'Angelo if Atlanta would take him. So I think at
some point they need to move on from D'Angelo, whether
it's this summer or by the trade deadline, just because
(27:53):
again I think there's a clear ceiling there. But I
mean with him, it's it's really not a matter of
the regular season, because he's coming up his best regular
season in several years with LA. It's more so the playoffs,
where if you just look at it, his shooting decreases
in the playoffs, and because he's a he's a negative defender,
and because he doesn't really do much else other than
(28:16):
he's a good passer, but like he's not rebounding, he's
not doing these little role player things in terms of
screening and cutting all this stuff. So like it's just
he's a tough fit when he's not shooting the ball
well and not scoring. So when he becomes what you know,
the competition ramps up and teams are able to play
him more physically, he struggles. And so I think for
(28:36):
the Lakers it's it's not even so much as like,
you know, how does he fit in the regular season,
It's like, how can he play better in the playoffs?
And they haven't been able to figure that out, and
they might not be able to, Like I just don't know,
Like d Angelo just might be one of those guys
that just doesn't, you know, assimilate to playoff basketball in
the way that he should. So I expect him to
move on from him at some point. It's just a
(28:58):
matter of is it this summer or potentially more likely
closer to the deadline.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yo bam Booha does an outstanding job as a senior
NBA reporter covering the LA Lakers. You're the best man.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Appreciate it, Doug.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
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Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's Dog Gottleib Show Fox Sports Radio. So, Jay stud
you see what I posted on social media in regards
to an appeal to the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Oh did I saw a video with you and the team?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay, So, for people who have yet to follow me,
on social media at gott Leap Show, Twitter and Instagram.
There's a tenement called TBT. That's the Basketball Tournament Anyway.
I've coached it in actually two different times, two different teams.
They're made up of usually professional players, some are just
former college players that didn't play professionally, you know, like
(29:58):
the great Aaron Craft, who's gonna be a doctor. He
plays for the like the Ohio State alumni team and
the winner gets two million dollars. And we have been
my program. Green Bay Basketball has been asked to participate
as they had a team pull out, and college basketball
in the off season has started to become deregulated more
(30:20):
and more. You can go on a foreign trip. Used
to be once every four years. I think it might
even be once every other year. It's just very expensive.
But you cannot here's the rules. You can't play in
a non certified eventy TVT is a non certified event
in the States. You can't you can't have more than
one player from the same college on a summer league team.
(30:47):
And if you're with your coaching staff, you can't travel
more than one hundred miles from your school to have
any sort of clinic, any sort of gathering together that
that revolves around basketball. So what I proposed is, hey,
look all that holds true. We understand it's in the States.
If we were to take a foreign tour, and you
(31:08):
can take a foreign tour to the Bahamas, to Mexico,
to Canada. Obviously you can go to Europe as well.
If we were to go on a foreign tour to Canada,
the one hundred mile rule disappears, The only two players
from the same team rule disappears. And oh yeah, by
the way, you don't have to play on There's no
NCAA certification on any of these foreign tour games. None, none.
(31:33):
So what I proposed to the NCAA, and we're filing
an appeal, is we understand that by letter of the law,
we would violate these three aspects of the by laws
of the NCAA, but by spirit of the law, we
would not. If we counted this as our foreign tour,
We're not going to go to a foreign tour, but
the rules of the foreign tour could apply here where
(31:55):
there doesn't have to be NCA's certification. We could be
more than one hundred miles from our campus, and we
could play more than two players from the same school together.
And oh yeah, by the way, we would forego the
winnings if we were so fortunate to get to that
spot by donating the winnings to charity. What do you think,
Jay Su, where's the flaw in my appellate argument?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I don't know. I don't think there's a faw. Sounds
like you got a good chance. We're just bucking the system.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Huh, it's not. I want to make sure that's not
bucking system. It's understanding the system and just trying to
let's have a realistic way to within the rules. Find
we want to call it a loophole or a workaround,
or an area in which it just makes sense. Trying
to just make it make sense.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, good luck with up.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Okay, let's get dies a glowing crown with a game.
This is game time.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show, the Show Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I'm firing Ilo today. I'm going to run the game
because I thought of this game this morning, and I
want Iloa to be a contestant. I want Iload to
go up against you and Chris purfet Now I've already
handicapped this game. Chris Purfett is the most educated person
on the staff. I think he's got like nine degrees,
including masters and everything.
Speaker 7 (33:23):
Else and fahrenheit centigrade.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And then he also knows a lot about soccer. So
I have a feeling he's going to crush the field here.
But he admittedly is not great at trivia. So here's
the game, guys, real easy perspective. Coaching candidate for the
US men's national team or a European leader, And now
this is a European leader of a covery.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
This is so good?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
All right?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I might have so good because I swear to you
I don't know either.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well, here we go. Let's put that to the test.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
US Soccer is going to hire Vladimir Putin as their
new head coach.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
But go ahead, I will. We'll start with you.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Oh so we're embarrassing us one by one instead of
all together.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Great, I have to go last in all the perspective
soccer coach or European leader, all right, Victor or Bond,
victor or Bond.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Okay, I'm gonna say he's the Minister of transportation in Finland,
not a soccer coach. Oh wow, Okay, so that's a
great that's a that's a great thing.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
To do here. If you can get the actual country
that they that they lead, that's a bonus point. Now
you are right, and then Iowa wins. It's not a
soccer perspective, head coach. He's the Prime Minister of Hungary today.
If you walked into Hungry and asked for victor or bond,
they would say the prime minister if you just say ye,
so yeah, Doug Gottlieb, Yes, Purvey Renard Renard Rayn, herve Reynard.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Okay, that sounds like a French name, and I note
the French guy. People think we look alike. Plus he's
married to like his grandma and why not Hervenard?
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Huh what married to his grandma?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Well, he's married. He's like in his forties or something
and she's in her seventies.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, and there's some dispute whether or not it's a sheep.
But I don't want to I don't want to go
down that robit. So anyways, herve Reynard.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Soccer chach, soccer gay.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes, Doug Gottlieb got it right. I guess I thought
to have a bell ringing.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
She's singing.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
She's France's women's national team and she could be a
candidate for our men's national team. That's that's interesting. Herve
Renard Bernard is a woman.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
No, Hervey is the guy. Oh okay, yes he's but
he coaches women. The real issue here is is Hervese
tan Real.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
So he's the he's the gino Oriama of women's soccer
and friend, he's a man coaching in women's bart okay,
so this game is going robt. He's coached men's soccer
as well. Chris Purfet, the handicapped leader.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
Handicap.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I just want to say this.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
I don't know if my handicap is good with how
well you are overdoing this act.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
But go on with the name. Go on with the name.
Let's see if we can see. Okay, Georgia Meloney, Georgia Maloney.
I'm going to assume that as a politician in Italy,
boom and boom, bonus, bort wo, Chris Bet, my handicap
leader is ahead two points to Isaac's.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I mean, did you really guess energection no I Maloney,
I am.
Speaker 9 (36:52):
I don't remember the position, but I have heard the
name before in Italian politics.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's the Prime Minister of Italy. Well done, well done, Isaac.
Back to you, Mauricio.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
I'm gonna say, soccer coach.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Well done, Isaac. Two for two. Let's see, he dismissed
Chelsea in May after just one seasoned him was displased.
Everyone knew he was dismissed in May. Yeah, so uh,
I got to stump one of you guys. So, Doug,
you gotta be the first one here. Off Schultz, Off Schultz.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Minute off Schultz. I feel like I know that name
and it's like a Schultz is German and we already
had another two Jurgens. I'm gonna go politics.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Darn it, yes it is. It's a chancellor of Germany
right now, Chancellor of German.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
So not one of you had a woman chance female chancellor.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
All right, Angela Merkle that was before.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
So that's sad. Who got the bonus point the first
time around?
Speaker 9 (38:04):
Thomas tucle so whoa, whoa, Hey, I'm on, I barely
could even did soccer.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Unbelievable. What's his his background as American? Maybe another I
think is another Chelsea guy, but anyways, he's won.
Speaker 9 (38:21):
Chelsea fires coaches like every nine months. That's not a
unique title.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Wow, two quick rounds and like I like I predicted
Chris Purfet with three points, including a bonus point wins.
I didn't stump any of you guys, so maybe the
game wasn't a good idea.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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