July 15, 2024 • 38 mins
Dan & Aaron in for Doug as they discuss the quarterback rankings as put together by ESPN polling NFL General Managers and Scouts. Dan and Aaron talk about the chaos at the Copa Final in Florida. Plus, Kevin Wyart takes the guys through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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lie to Aaron Torres, what was that? Because we aren't
going to start immediately with the quarterback rankings. Oh okay,
because I do think that there is one thing that
we do have to start about today, and this is
because I think, in some way or another, everyone can relate,
(01:00):
but with the actions and what happened over the weekend
and with the assassination attempt of President Trump, who's a
candidate to be president again, that we know with that
story happening, I just feel like there are stories that
we talk about a lot. We talk about it in sports,
we talked about it in life of will you remember
(01:21):
where you were when that story happened? And I think
a lot of us of my age remember the Challenger
nine to eleven, obviously because it had affected so many
of us. But I know that there's a generation prior
to me and prior to you that will always remember
the day when JFK was assassinated and where they were
at that point. And I just feel like, of what
(01:43):
happened this past Saturday with the assassination attempt, that I
wonder if that's going to be one of those points
that you always remember because we're forty eight hours away,
you know, since it happened, and I just think it's
an enormous deal and I almost feel like we've moved
on to other election things at that point, and so
(02:04):
I think this is always going to be a spot
where I will remember I was driving in a car
and My wife said to me that President Trump was
shot as he was giving a campaign speech in Pennsylvania,
and I'll always remember that spot forty eight hours later.
Whether I align politically or don't align politically, I think
it is a huge, huge moment in American history, in
(02:25):
an hour history, And I just wonder if other people
share that same feeling.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, certainly a huge moment, especially for people again of
a younger era, who you know, you could talk about
political discord, but we've never seen a lot. Anyone under
thirty has never seen anything even resembling this in their lifetime,
and so you know, obviously he's okay. I don't know
if this is a conversation, you know, if this is
(02:51):
a moment that people will continue to talk about, is
obviously he makes a run at another election opportunity to
another presidency. I don't know whether he wins, he loses,
if this is a moment that we reflect back upon,
But obviously, in the moment one I think first and foremost,
I'm glad he's safe. I'm glad he's okay. You don't
you shouldn't, you know, your first reaction shouldn't be where
(03:13):
you stand on the aisle about a candidate or political
issues when something that serious happened. So I'm glad he's okay.
I know that at least in the moment right now.
I certainly and I think I always will remember where
I was, because I'm usually obviously a person that, because
of our nature of our work, is pretty active on
social media and pretty aware of what's going on. And
you know, I was away with family and basically missed
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it by about a half an hour. Saw the picture,
didn't think anything of it, and then you know, a
minute or two later, it registers, oh, that didn't look normal,
and then I kind of went back did my research.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So I you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Thankful he survived, but I don't know if because he survived,
if if that changes the conversation about that moment going forward.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But scary stuff. And I'm just happy, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And I know what you're saying, and it's it's you
don't want to be insensitive about anything. But there is
a point as well where I was. I was just
young enough not to remember when there was the assassination
attempt on President Reagan at you know, in the in
the early eighties, Like I don't remember that happening. But again,
you know, the Kennedy won because it was just so blatant,
(04:22):
and I mean continues to this day of the video
and everything everything that surrounded it. But there's a point
where everyone will remember where you know, they were the
day that President Kennedy was assassinated. Of that generation, this
I don't think rises to that, but I don't. I
just the point is is we were very close, yes
to that sort of scenario of what happened. And it's
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just with all the great stuff that happened this weekend
sports wise, with Wimbledon, with the Soccer Championships, with everything
that Major League Baseball now enters, the All Star Break, which,
by the way, tomorrow night you can see on Fox
Midsummer Classic AL against NL. It's just the point of
I've already seen, you know, news channels are already talking about
(05:06):
the Republican National Convention this week, how it's going to
affect the election. I'm like, it's forty eight hours old,
Like this is this could have been a seminal moment
in everyone's life of remembering where they were. I thought
it was a joke at first. I just I felt
like we needed to address it off the top, just
because I think that we could all relate to those
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moments in our lives, and I just wonder if this
is going to be one of those moments. And maybe
it won't be, but we know we're going to see
that image. And you know, it took time for other
videos to come out, all news were showing we're just
what we saw from when he was on that platform.
I just just such an enormous, enormous story from the weekend.
I just I want to do at least address it
off the top.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And ultimately, we are you know, we are a news entity.
You know, most of the time we're talking sports, but
we also are talking sports, you know, when there are
very rare moments where there are things that are bigger
than sports. And I think to your point, I don't
know about ten years, twenty years, fifty years, if everyone
will think of this as a moment where they were,
(06:08):
but they certainly will.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They certainly do now.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And then you know, it obviously led to a lot
of different conversations and a lot of different directions at
everybody's dinner table and all that. You know, it was
almost I don't want to say funny, but a little
bit ironic is I kind of we were all out
to dinner celebrating my wife's birthday, and I kind of
made it a priority. Hey, let's not talk about this,
because we don't need people arguing over nuance and what
(06:32):
their opinion is about what happened. I mean, he was safe,
he was Okay, we don't need I actually kind of
tampered it down, like, let's not talk about this.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But I was certainly a fair important to.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Take politics completely out of it. There is no doubt
about it. Is one of the most recognizable names, faces
and people in the entire world because of his power.
And that's just the point of the point of it. Yeah,
you're completely correct. Facebook was probably a cesspool of whatever
was happening around in social media. But the point is
(07:08):
is when it rises to that level, sorry, it's just
it's a big deal, and all of us are in
that same boat of life of having that certain moment,
and that's where we were, and that's where it was
on Saturday. That's why I don't think it'll it'll it'll
rise to the level of obviously nine to eleven or
the Challenger, where so many people in my generation were
at a young age and it was so jarring to see.
(07:28):
But I am just curious on are we in a
day and h now where this new cycle just moves
past something like that where it almost feels like it's
that way, or is this going to be one that
sticks with you? Where I remember at the stoplight that
I was at in my hometown back in Wisconsin on vacation,
and I thought, my wife, when my wife said it,
I thought it was a jult. Thought it was, you know,
like that you know something, because it didn't register in
my mind. So I'll at least remember that point well.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And the last thing I would say is to your point,
whether it's Caitlin Clark Kopa, even the NFL quarterback rankings,
not every topic we're going to hit on today negatively
or positively in some way, shape or form every person listening,
but this one obviously does well.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm glad that you brought up these quarterback rankings because ESPN,
for the fifth straight year, is pulled about eighty scouts, coaches,
front office executives throughout the league and they do a
ranking of each position. And today, lucky, lucky for us,
Aaron Torres, today was the day that the quarterbacks dropped
they've been doing this for a week. They've been doing
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this for a.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
But we're grabbing the headlines and say, don't know if
I would have had a take on the guard rank.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Tomorrow is I think outside linebackers. I think that's what Actually,
I'll tell you the rest of it. Off ball linebackers, okay, yeah,
and then wide receivers and then quarterbacks. Wrap it up
on the eighteenth. But the top ten quarterback through this
rankings process that you know took had dozens of interviews again,
about eighty voices that were heard throughout NFL ranks wade in,
(08:56):
league execs, coaches, scouts. That was the that was the number.
They concluded that Patrick Mahomes is the top rated quarterback
for the second straight season. It was two seasons ago
that Aaron Rodgers had the number one ranking. But I'm
gonna read off the rankings to you, and I'm curious
on what strikes your ear Number one, Patrick Mahomes to
(09:18):
Joe Burrow the Bengals, three, Josh Allen of the Bills.
Lamar Jackson, the reigning MVP of the NFL, was fourth,
Matthew Stafford fifth, Justin Herbert came in sixth. In these
rankings and the top ten in order.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
C J.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Stroud seven, Aaron Rodgers eight, Jared Goff nine, Dak Prescott
comes in at number ten. You hear those rankings, What
do you hear? What don't you hear? What strikes your ear?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, there's a lot of interesting things.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think you could, obviously, you know, argue you should
somebody like Brock Purty Jalen Hurts potentially be on the list.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Is it too recency bias based? Like is CJ.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Stroud too high based off one big season? But I
think the thing that strikes me is the gap between
number one and everybody else. Is that you look at
number one, Patrick Mahomes obviously a multiple time Super Bowl champion,
what is it five to six straight AFC championship games?
But after you get past him, we talk about all
these great quarterbacks in the AFC and the NFL and
(10:13):
all these young guys that are as contemporaries. Every single
one of these guys has a hole in their game.
Joe Burrow, the only guy to actually beat Patrick Mahomes
in a meaningful playoff game on this list, is very
injury prone, season ending risk injury.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Last year.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We'll see if he's back two hundred percent. Josh Allen obviously,
what is it, three out of the last four years,
has lost to Patrick Mahons in the playoffs. Lamar Jackson
obviously doesn't have that super Bowl appearance to you know,
kind of headline his resume. And then of course Justin
Herbert has struggled to even make the playoffs, and then
once he got there, obviously his team not really through
his own fault, but completely melted down. So I just
(10:48):
bring it up to say, there's a lot of stuff
after number one, But I think the fact that we
can't definitively say who is two is what's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The Joe Burrow win over Patrick Mahomes, that super Bowl appearance,
to your point, is going a long long way. I
am curious and of Josh Allen. If the Bills would
have made a Super Bowl, would there be enough to
even overtake Mahomes in that scenario? If they would have
beaten the Chiefs in the divisional playoffs this year and
went to the Super Bowl, would that have been enough?
(11:18):
I don't think it is. I think that the gap
is significant enough to keep Mahomes at number one. What
hit my eyes and Ears the most when I saw
these rankings with that after an MVP season and a
season where they were the best team in the AFC,
is that Lamar Jackson is at number four. But here's
(11:42):
the funny thing about it, Aaron is I don't know
if he should be higher and I don't know if
he should be lower because the rankings two years ago
had Lamar Jackson as honorable mention. It was last year
that he cracked the top ten in these rankings at
number seven. And now you think about it, in the
best case scenario for him outside of that Super Bowl
would be to go and win an MVP and lead
the Ravens like he did, and it only got him
(12:04):
up to fourth, you know, So, like, is that now
the ceiling of Lamar Jackson, or with Lamar Jackson, like
I feel Josh Allen would be, would be lifted by
a Super Bowl appearance. Because that leads me to the
second thing that struck my mind. Matthew Stafford being number
five and how much the narrative has changed around him
being a quarterback better than Aaron Rodgers in these rankings.
(12:26):
The Super Bowl win that he had two years ago,
I think obviously plays a huge huge deal. But you
remember he didn't even he was injured at a point
last season where they had to have Brett Rippens start
a game for them against the Green Bay Packers in
the middle of the season. So Stafford's ability and his
abilities looked upon by others in the league have completely
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completely gone through the roof. He didn't make the top
ten two years ago. Last year ended up making it
in the ten spot and now comes in at number
five on the list. I've never seen a ranking. I
have never heard a talk show that has had Matthew
Stafford as a top five quarterback in the National Football League,
but this one does. Among league scouts and coaches and execs.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That was another one that staid out too, was is
he a little bit overvalue?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Now?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
The Lamar stuff is interesting because I feel like the
narratives on Lamar they swing just too far one direction
in the other. Because I still go back to that
playoff game last year. I know you do your Sunday show.
I happened to be filling in on the Sunday of
the AFCNFC championship games, so I'm obviously not only watching
the game like tens of millions of Americans but I'm watching,
(13:38):
you know, pen and paper, making sure I don't miss anything.
And I still say, and I think most people would
agree that meltdown by the Ravens, I don't think it
really speaks to Lamar Jackson. I think it speaks to
Todd Munkin and the play calling in that game, you know.
I mean, the play calling was such a disaster. They
went away from the run, They went away from what
made him successful. So I don't blame Lamar for that.
(14:00):
But again, I don't know if you could put him
ahead of these other guys, you can probab put them
ahead of Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I mean Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You know, I feel like Josh Allen is kind of
synonymous with the bills of the perspective of do both
the bills? But do he get too much credit considering
that there really isn't a signature win on the resume.
I mean, I know it's cliche to say at this point,
but it's true. The best win on the resume is
a close loss to the Kansas City Chiefs is having
a lead against Kansas City Chiefs with thirteen seconds Togo.
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So I think you could argue to move Lamar Jackson
ahead of him. I don't know that you can argue
to move Joe Burrow, to move Lamar Jackson ahead of
Joe Burrow. As far as Stafford's concerned, I kind of
agree with you, But it's kind of the same thing
when I visualize in my head, you know, this guy's
a top five quarterback. That's not you know, Mahome is
gonna be there, you know Allen's gonna be there. I
think you know Jackson's gonna be there, and you know
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Burrow's gonna be there. If we're under the assumption that
these injuries are kind of a season by season thing
rather than a recurring you just can't rely on him.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, and so five.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But then it becomes the same conversation, Well, what's Justin
Herbert's signature win? You know what? You know he's had them,
but not in the at the highest levels. And I
think Justin Herbert's an interesting spot this year with the
new coaching staff where it's kind of put up or
shut up time for him.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
CJ. Stroud? Are we are we two?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Are we over.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Hyping him too much based off last year than Aaron
Rodgers the opposite, because he's been out of sight out
of mind. I know he wasn't great that last year
in Green Bay, but are we underrating him because we
really haven't seen him in basically two years. So I
know I threw a lot right back at you did.
I didn't mean to go along.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Something.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I actually am glad that you're sitting next to me
because you answered the question that I had five minutes
ago that I wasn't sure on what to think of
the Lamar Jackson ranking. So do you think it's garbage? Okay?
Should be higher? Okay, exactly right, like when you when
you lay it out the way that you did in
terms of Josh Allen and what he's accomplished. Also, I'm
sorry we take MVP awards and we use that throughout
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the year. I did a pyramid ranking a couple of
years ago because I thought the whole process was a sham,
and while it was somewhat mocking what people do with
the MVP, it laid out and how you actually should
look at an MVP throughout the season, and the MVP
when the season I did it was Aaron Rodgers and
he did win the MVP that season. Throughout the season,
it showed it. Lamar Jackson has one and now two MVPs.
(16:24):
And to your point of leading a team to victory, yeah,
I think that the executives are still under selling Lamar Jackson,
considering again, he didn't make the list two years ago.
He was seventh last year. Now you lead everything up
to it and you bring up the AFC Championship game
were they almost actually did come back.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
After all that.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you Aaron Torres for like Lamar
Jackson is getting short changed in this, Stafford's getting And honestly,
I don't mind Stafford getting the love that he's gotten
because he's gotten a lot of crap throughout his career.
And if scouts and leagues, league execs see it awesome
for him. I think that people are really hot on
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the CJ. Stroud thing. I think that made me a
bit of an overreaction, But it looks. Look at how
quickly it turns that we don't have we don't have Tua,
we don't have Jalen Hurts in these rankings. Jalen Hurts
was in the rankings last year. How you can have
Rogers still at eight coming off of an Achilles when
he's you know, forty years old, like there's it doesn't
make a lot of sense, but you answer the question
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at least to the Lamar Jacksonville underrated.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
There you go two time MVPR right now, and I
think there is something to it. And the last thing
I would say is with Josh Allen. You know, I
mentioned I feel like with Justin Herbert and not that
this is like some crazy strong opinion, but kind of
put up a shut up time. You got your coach,
They've clearly invested in the O line, the skill, put
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
It's put up a shut up time.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I feel like we're I feel like we're a step
past that with Josh Allen, where it's like, now until
you prove it to me, I'm gonna kind of assume
that you're not gonna And it's not all he's another one,
it's not all his fault, you know whatever. There's a
million things Sean McDermott, is he the right guy, defensive
head coach, you know, the run game, whatever. But I
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just bring it up because Lamar Jackson to me, has
proven it. I don't know, I just feel like Lamar
Jackson has proven it to a degree where if this
was Aaron Torres's rankings. As opposed to GMS, I would
definitely have Lamar Jackson above Josh Allen, and without taking
too much recency bias into effect, I'd probably have Lamar
Jackson frankly at number two because I just don't know
(18:30):
if at this point Joe Burrow I can fully expect
to consistently make it through seventeen game seasons.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Josh Allen as a runner for the Bills was magnificent
fifteen touchdowns on the ground last year, but I'm not
worried about touchdowns. Yeah, until your point, like when we're
looking at these guys and where they operate and what
they've achieved, like to that aspect of it, Yeah, this
is if this is taking away all achievements and taking
(18:57):
away everything else, maybe there's an argument that that can
be made, but I think that you have to put
that sort of sort of stuff into the conversation. And
Dak Prescott being at number ten.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That was that was another one. Yep, I'm just not
a Dak guy. I just I'm just I'm over it.
I'm just totally over it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But it's also the point of ten isn't as great
as you would think it would, like I mean, because
now you're like top You're bordering top third of the
league in a thirty two team league like that. So
that's so that's so that's where you are at least,
so that's how the rest of the league feels and feels.
Someone like Rogers off the Achilles or a Jared Goff
who got the new huge deal to stay in Detroit
(19:34):
are better options than Dak.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Really quick, one answer you if if this was Dan
Byer's list, Brock Perty or Dak Prescott Dak?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Okay, what about Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Dak throws the I don't know if Dak can win
the big game, but I have zero questions about him
throwing the football around and doing what he needs to do.
I would take Dak ten out of ten times over
Brock Party if you did not talk about their supporting
casts ten out of ten times supporting cast take it
(20:10):
out of the way. I'm taking Dak over Brock Party
ten out of ten times.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
What about Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, see, because I think Jalen Hurts is underrated and
his real test actually will be no Jason Kelsey, Right, Yeah,
I think that's that's a big part of it. This year.
I can't believe they gave a J Brown more now
you're you. He wants the football so much that I
think it becomes a detriment to everything else that you're
doing and puts more pressure on him. I'm curious to
(20:37):
see how Hurts response, but I would take I would
take Dak probably over Hurts. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I think there's two or three guys in the honorable
mentions you could definitely make a strong argument for over Dak.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
He is not a Dak fan. I am more so.
But thank you for at least solving the riddle of
Lamar Jackson, who we can now say once again underrated
as an NFL quarterback. He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Beyer.
Hit him up at Aaron Underscore or as you can
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Guerrera did respond to our conversation of the quarterback, specifically
how I felt that Lamar Jackson should be above Josh Allen.
(22:12):
George says that Lamar had twenty nine total touchdowns last year,
Josh Allen had forty six total touchdowns. Allen has beaten
Lamar in the playoffs, and he wanted to know where
Lamar's signature win in the playoffs were. But isn't that
your point about Josh Allenson. Yeah, yeah, to that point,
I just think if you're looking at the grand scheme
(22:33):
of things, we make so much deal about the MVP
award and Lamar's not got two of them, and throughout
the season the Ravens were a better football team. I
am not captivated by touchdown runs as a stat to
increase your value. It's more of an overall thing. And
Alan and Jackson are closer. I think Jackson's had more
(22:55):
team success than Alan has.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, and I think it speaks to two things. One
gets really foggy after number one with Patrick Mahomes. You
could punch a hole on anybody's argument. But two, yeah,
I just you know, at some point, I don't know,
and I know we gotta get some other stuff. But
that's that's what makes Josh Allen so interesting is the
tools are so evident, and it's not like he hasn't
(23:18):
played well in big games, but he doesn't have those
signature wins.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
It's just an interesting conversation.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
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the Open, as they say, RNA has announced that there
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Speaker 4 (23:39):
So it's a seventeen million dollar perse.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, that's you know, it's actually less than the US Open,
the US Oven get Brice in the Shamble four point
three million dollars. Yeah, so this is yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
He doesn't raise a five hundred thousand dollars range.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, the money's through the roof in the in these
majors over the last couple of years. But the US
Rory McElroy got like two point three million for finishing
second at the US Open. Wobsolutely absurd.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
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Speaker 2 (24:02):
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with college expansion. If we don't do it today, we'll
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(24:24):
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I will.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You know, it's a summer of change for Torres. I
don't know what's going on with me, but a few
weeks ago, you know, when the Chicago Sky we're playing
the Indiana Fever, that was the first time it was
appointment WNBA viewing for me, and I will also say
it was appointment viewing for the COPA final last night.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Now part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know, my wife is from a Copa country, you know,
Spanish speaking country or her dad loves soccer, so we're
talking about it all week She's from Guatemalaoa. I don't
know if they were even in the tournament but did
not do well. If they did, but they love soccer.
We talked about it all weekend. But I just found
the Copa tournament to be awesome. I know people love
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the Euros too. I think the time difference was a
little hard for me because you know, you're doing stuff
during the day, but nighttime every single night, and then
it just felt like there was about seven eight nights
in a row that every game delivered. You know, you
go back to Canada's upset over whoever, Uruguay over the US,
Uruguay over Brazil. Argentina was in penalty kicks at one
(25:35):
point the Columbia Uruguay match that you know, there was
the fight in the stands, but it was a very
compelling match prior to that. So knowing the final was
last night, knowing Messi, you know, could be his final
major international appearance for Argentina, and obviously this was a young,
up and coming Columbia team that hadn't lost in forever,
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was very excited. And then of course, you know, the
game got postponed for two.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Him I I have enjoyed the euro Tournaments of the past,
have not gotten into the Copa Americas as much. I
don't think that there's a way to do it because
they're month long events and you only have a certain window.
But to have them running concurrently, I would love it
if they were staggered. I would love to be able
to be reeled in and watch the euro Championships, and
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you could do it maybe maybe in a way where
once you get out of group play where there aren't
matches every day, where then all of a sudden, now
COPA takes over, so you're watching those matches every day.
I was not as locked in as you were to
all of the matches, but I did make a point
to last night to put on the final between Argentina
and Columbia, and when my son wanted to watch his
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tractor shows on YouTube, I put it up on my phone,
which is another test of how much you want to
watch do you transition to another viewing point and then
it goes into extra time. So yeah, so I was
I was with you with that, with that final. I
was with you know when the United States was in
it and then not winning. But it's a in these
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summers where the NBA hasn't been as dynamic in the
off season, and what has happened like it brings people
like you and like me into the conversation and is exciting.
And that's what I think in the World Cup from
two years from now, I think it's gonna be absolutely explode.
It's gonna explode way more than the Olympics are, you know,
in two weeks for what we have. Maybe it'll be
a different story when the Olympics are here in the
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States in four years and for us in our backyard
here in LA. But I think it's it was really
good for a month, and in a way, aren't you
kind of like sad that there isn't anything today or
anything to look forward to?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Well?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
And I think part of why I can only speak
for myself, but why I got into it was you're
coming off the NBA Finals where there's just kind of
something to watch on TV.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
And you know, the.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Work that we do, we're privileged to do it, but
when when the slow season hits, I try to make
it a priority spend a little bit more time with
my wife watching TV, doing watching what she wants for
a change. You know, the weather's nice, taking out the
dog for a little bit more. But there are those
moments where she's running late to work where whatever blah
blah blah, where you just want something to watch. And
so yeah, so I think it filled a void. It's
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an easy watch. You know, I was telling my wife,
I said, soccer reminds me of baseball, where you don't
really have to be locked in on every play.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You kind of can.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I was cleaning up the house last night after dinner,
you know, we grilled whatever, and it was like, you know,
you kind of you can kind of know when there's
something that could happen, and you can look up while
your washing dishes do whatever. So yeah, I am kind
of bummed that that we are without soccer.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Although you know, I know that.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Your your your passion is college basketball. It's where your
bread and butter is. And along with that, I know
Yukon is in near and dear place in your heart
because it's your alma mater. Would you ever crawl into
ventilation to see a Dan Hurley team play for a
championship like they were last night at hard Rock Stadium
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in South Florida for Columbian fans to watch them face Argentina.
I don't think I could do that now. I mean,
someone done for a Dolphins game. I can tell you
that no one has ever wanted to go to a
Dolphins game that bad where they are jumping the like
crazy crazy scenes last night.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
But it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But the alternative is when I was in college, I
camped out for days at a time in freezing cold
weather to get tickets to you know, so it's levels
of crazy. But continue, I know where you were going.
I didn't mean to cutch you out.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, just it's the point of One of the lasting
headlines is the unrest that has taken place over these
final Copa America matches in the semi final in Charlotte
and then last night in Miami. And what ends up
happening is the United States has looked at as a
country that doesn't care about soccer and therefore doesn't have
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the pieces in place to take care of things that
need extra security and events that shouldn't happen at any
sporting event. And the only thing that I would say
is what's is the constant that these matches are happening
in the United States where there were no other incidents
aside from the last two, Or is the constant you know,
(30:07):
the fan base of Columbia going absolutely bonkers over their
team and having these rites like where is where is it? Like?
Who are we to blame? Are we really going to
blame America? Or should we blame the fans who are
actually causing this unrest and causing the scenes that we
saw in the last two places they played.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, So for me, I was actually a little bit
surprised by the discourse around that. And I know social
media not always the brightest bulbs that are leading the
charge on all these discourses here. But you know, I've
watched major college football playoff games, I've watched Super Bowls,
I've watched National championship games at that stadium. I've watched
other international soccer games at that stadium. By the way,
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I watched a month of COPA in the US, which
right up until the post game with Columbia was unless
I missed something, completely incident free. So I wish things
had gone better. But you know, when tens of thousands
of people descend, by reports and accounts, descend upon a
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stadium that don't have tickets, many of them try to
get into the game. I think there's only so much
people can do. And it's also worth noting, by the way,
one of the international soccer federations actually helps run that event.
So it's not like Dolphin, It's not like Steven Ross is,
you know, dictating security plans to his security teams.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
So I was surprised by the discourse. Let me put
it that way.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
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Speaker 6 (32:49):
This is game time Tig on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Happy Monday to you, Kevin? How are you hey? What's
going on the game today? Is?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
What?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
What do we got?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
All right, let's hear these scenarios.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
All right, So big deal, little deal or no deal?
Was start in tennis, Carlos Alcarez beating Novak Djokovic to
win Wimbledon and doing so in straight sets.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
This is a big deal, Aaron, because I feel this
was the opportunity of a real changing of the guard.
Djokovic still dealing with injuries throughout his career, but still
the last of the big three with Naidalen Federer. And
now there's an opportunity for Alcaraz to really grab men's
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tennis and put a stranglehold on it. Just twenty one
years of age, he's already got four Grand Slam titles.
I know twenty five is a big number and it's
far far away, but I expect Alcaraz, who only is
just needs the Australian Open for the career Grand Slam,
to start piling up these Grand Slam numbers, especially if
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there isn't a true competitor that can rival him. Like
you saw with Nadal and Federer and then Djokovic to
the both of them. I think it was a huge
big deal on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So I agree for essentially all the same reasons. I
remember probably two thousand and nine, twenty ten, Roger Federer
losing an Australian Open final to Rafael and Nadal and
being in tears, and I've no, no, and I'm serious
because I think it was the moment he had lost
in a doll before, but it had always been clay,
he had been banged up.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
It was a weird circumstance.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I think the tears at that time represented this guy
just might be better than me, and I think that we
might have had that moment with Alkarez taking the torch
from Djokovic in that other generation yesterday.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal, that
Hall of Fame wide receiver Calvin Johnson will be inducted
to the Pride Lions, so their version of the Ring
of Honor, especially since he was not even on speaking
terms with the team for a little while.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's why I think it's a big deal that now
the Lions, and look at what happens when you win
football games, right, like all is everybody is back in
good graces, and I think everybody wants to be a
part of the Lions party. They're going to do it
in a game against the Seahawks on Monday Night football.
I think that's one of the weekends where you have
the double Monday Night, the doubleheader. But yeah, I think
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it's a big deal that now all is good, and
I think a lot of it has to do with
the Lions winning football games.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think it's a big deal for that reason. I'll
say little deal only because as time goes on, I
realize that in sports, time heals essentially all wounds team
players that have been disassociated from each other, you know,
rivals become friends, and I feel like we see this
stuff happen. Sometimes it takes a little bit longer, the
beef is a little bit more, but we do see it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Twenty first player to be honored in that pride of
the Lions.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It's a lot considering the last history.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
All Right, big deal, little deal or no deal that
Nick Saban did not pick Alabama to win the SEC.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So I don't think it's a big deal. But I'm
curious for your perspective, Dan. Alabama fans were at first mad,
then there was the well it's coach Saban.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Is this actually reverse psychology to motivate the team?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I know you gotta do the big deal, little deal,
no deal, But what are Nick Saban's real intentions with this, Dan,
I need.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
To tell Yeah, So I think this is a I
think this is a I'm gonna say it's a big
deal because I think Nick Saban is taking his job
as an analyst seriously. He's saying what he believes. I
also think he knows that some of the players that
he had at Alabama that are no longer there because
they transferred do not make Alabama the team that they
once were. So if anybody knows Alabama football. It's Nick Saban.
(36:37):
So if I was an Alabama fan, I would feel
worried that our former coach sees our roster and sees
what we have and does not think we can compete
with Georgia or Texas for the top spot.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
After they lost to Texas last year, they took up
the phrase lank let all naysayers know. Well, guess who's
the number one naysayer now, Nick Saban?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Apparently all right, big deal, little deal or no deal
Katelyn Clark leading her leading the Indiana Fever to the
win against the first place Minnesota Links eighty one seventy four.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm gonna say that this is no deal only for
the case of I felt that Caitlyn Clark was probably
gonna play forty one home games this year, and in
their schedule of I just felt that there would be
an enormous amount of pro Kaitlin Clark crowds, none more
so than in Minnesota, where you have Iowa fans just
you know, south that would make the trip up or
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want to see. So no deal to me because it's
no surprise, even though she shoved it in the face
of the US Women's coach.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, I'll say I'll say big deal only because the
team is actually playing well. The conversations around her and
Angel Reese are justified from a basketball perspective, not just
from a talking perspective.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
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Speaker 6 (37:48):
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lie to Aaron Torres, what was that? Because we aren't
going to start immediately with the quarterback rankings. Oh okay,
because I do think that there is one thing that
we do have to start about today, and this is
because I think, in some way or another, everyone can relate,
(01:00):
but with the actions and what happened over the weekend
and with the assassination attempt of President Trump, who's a
candidate to be president again, that we know with that
story happening, I just feel like there are stories that
we talk about a lot. We talk about it in sports,
we talked about it in life of will you remember
(01:21):
where you were when that story happened? And I think
a lot of us of my age remember the Challenger
nine to eleven, obviously because it had affected so many
of us. But I know that there's a generation prior
to me and prior to you that will always remember
the day when JFK was assassinated and where they were
at that point. And I just feel like, of what
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happened this past Saturday with the assassination attempt, that I
wonder if that's going to be one of those points
that you always remember because we're forty eight hours away,
you know, since it happened, and I just think it's
an enormous deal and I almost feel like we've moved
on to other election things at that point, and so
(02:04):
I think this is always going to be a spot
where I will remember I was driving in a car
and My wife said to me that President Trump was
shot as he was giving a campaign speech in Pennsylvania,
and I'll always remember that spot forty eight hours later.
Whether I align politically or don't align politically, I think
it is a huge, huge moment in American history, in
(02:25):
an hour history, And I just wonder if other people
share that same feeling.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, certainly a huge moment, especially for people again of
a younger era, who you know, you could talk about
political discord, but we've never seen a lot. Anyone under
thirty has never seen anything even resembling this in their lifetime,
and so you know, obviously he's okay. I don't know
if this is a conversation, you know, if this is
(02:51):
a moment that people will continue to talk about, is
obviously he makes a run at another election opportunity to
another presidency. I don't know whether he wins, he loses,
if this is a moment that we reflect back upon,
But obviously, in the moment one I think first and foremost,
I'm glad he's safe. I'm glad he's okay. You don't
you shouldn't, you know, your first reaction shouldn't be where
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you stand on the aisle about a candidate or political
issues when something that serious happened. So I'm glad he's okay.
I know that at least in the moment right now.
I certainly and I think I always will remember where
I was, because I'm usually obviously a person that, because
of our nature of our work, is pretty active on
social media and pretty aware of what's going on. And
you know, I was away with family and basically missed
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it by about a half an hour. Saw the picture,
didn't think anything of it, and then you know, a
minute or two later, it registers, oh, that didn't look normal,
and then I kind of went back did my research.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So I you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Thankful he survived, but I don't know if because he survived,
if if that changes the conversation about that moment going forward.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
But scary stuff. And I'm just happy, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And I know what you're saying, and it's it's you
don't want to be insensitive about anything. But there is
a point as well where I was. I was just
young enough not to remember when there was the assassination
attempt on President Reagan at you know, in the in
the early eighties, Like I don't remember that happening. But again,
you know, the Kennedy won because it was just so blatant,
(04:22):
and I mean continues to this day of the video
and everything everything that surrounded it. But there's a point
where everyone will remember where you know, they were the
day that President Kennedy was assassinated. Of that generation, this
I don't think rises to that, but I don't. I
just the point is is we were very close, yes
to that sort of scenario of what happened. And it's
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just with all the great stuff that happened this weekend
sports wise, with Wimbledon, with the Soccer Championships, with everything
that Major League Baseball now enters, the All Star Break, which,
by the way, tomorrow night you can see on Fox
Midsummer Classic AL against NL. It's just the point of
I've already seen, you know, news channels are already talking about
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the Republican National Convention this week, how it's going to
affect the election. I'm like, it's forty eight hours old,
Like this is this could have been a seminal moment
in everyone's life of remembering where they were. I thought
it was a joke at first. I just I felt
like we needed to address it off the top, just
because I think that we could all relate to those
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moments in our lives, and I just wonder if this
is going to be one of those moments. And maybe
it won't be, but we know we're going to see
that image. And you know, it took time for other
videos to come out, all news were showing we're just
what we saw from when he was on that platform.
I just just such an enormous, enormous story from the weekend.
I just I want to do at least address it
off the top.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And ultimately, we are you know, we are a news entity.
You know, most of the time we're talking sports, but
we also are talking sports, you know, when there are
very rare moments where there are things that are bigger
than sports. And I think to your point, I don't
know about ten years, twenty years, fifty years, if everyone
will think of this as a moment where they were,
(06:08):
but they certainly will.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They certainly do now.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And then you know, it obviously led to a lot
of different conversations and a lot of different directions at
everybody's dinner table and all that. You know, it was
almost I don't want to say funny, but a little
bit ironic is I kind of we were all out
to dinner celebrating my wife's birthday, and I kind of
made it a priority. Hey, let's not talk about this,
because we don't need people arguing over nuance and what
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their opinion is about what happened. I mean, he was safe,
he was Okay, we don't need I actually kind of
tampered it down, like, let's not talk about this.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But I was certainly a fair important to.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Take politics completely out of it. There is no doubt
about it. Is one of the most recognizable names, faces
and people in the entire world because of his power.
And that's just the point of the point of it. Yeah,
you're completely correct. Facebook was probably a cesspool of whatever
was happening around in social media. But the point is
(07:08):
is when it rises to that level, sorry, it's just
it's a big deal, and all of us are in
that same boat of life of having that certain moment,
and that's where we were, and that's where it was
on Saturday. That's why I don't think it'll it'll it'll
rise to the level of obviously nine to eleven or
the Challenger, where so many people in my generation were
at a young age and it was so jarring to see.
(07:28):
But I am just curious on are we in a
day and h now where this new cycle just moves
past something like that where it almost feels like it's
that way, or is this going to be one that
sticks with you? Where I remember at the stoplight that
I was at in my hometown back in Wisconsin on vacation,
and I thought, my wife, when my wife said it,
I thought it was a jult. Thought it was, you know,
like that you know something, because it didn't register in
my mind. So I'll at least remember that point well.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And the last thing I would say is to your point,
whether it's Caitlin Clark Kopa, even the NFL quarterback rankings,
not every topic we're going to hit on today negatively
or positively in some way, shape or form every person listening,
but this one obviously does well.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm glad that you brought up these quarterback rankings because ESPN,
for the fifth straight year, is pulled about eighty scouts, coaches,
front office executives throughout the league and they do a
ranking of each position. And today, lucky, lucky for us,
Aaron Torres, today was the day that the quarterbacks dropped
they've been doing this for a week. They've been doing
(08:26):
this for a.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
But we're grabbing the headlines and say, don't know if
I would have had a take on the guard rank.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Tomorrow is I think outside linebackers. I think that's what Actually,
I'll tell you the rest of it. Off ball linebackers, okay, yeah,
and then wide receivers and then quarterbacks. Wrap it up
on the eighteenth. But the top ten quarterback through this
rankings process that you know took had dozens of interviews again,
about eighty voices that were heard throughout NFL ranks wade in,
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league execs, coaches, scouts. That was the that was the number.
They concluded that Patrick Mahomes is the top rated quarterback
for the second straight season. It was two seasons ago
that Aaron Rodgers had the number one ranking. But I'm
gonna read off the rankings to you, and I'm curious
on what strikes your ear Number one, Patrick Mahomes to
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Joe Burrow the Bengals, three, Josh Allen of the Bills.
Lamar Jackson, the reigning MVP of the NFL, was fourth,
Matthew Stafford fifth, Justin Herbert came in sixth. In these
rankings and the top ten in order.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
C J.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Stroud seven, Aaron Rodgers eight, Jared Goff nine, Dak Prescott
comes in at number ten. You hear those rankings, What
do you hear? What don't you hear? What strikes your ear?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, there's a lot of interesting things.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think you could, obviously, you know, argue you should
somebody like Brock Purty Jalen Hurts potentially be on the list.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Is it too recency bias based? Like is CJ.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Stroud too high based off one big season? But I
think the thing that strikes me is the gap between
number one and everybody else. Is that you look at
number one, Patrick Mahomes obviously a multiple time Super Bowl champion,
what is it five to six straight AFC championship games?
But after you get past him, we talk about all
these great quarterbacks in the AFC and the NFL and
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all these young guys that are as contemporaries. Every single
one of these guys has a hole in their game.
Joe Burrow, the only guy to actually beat Patrick Mahomes
in a meaningful playoff game on this list, is very
injury prone, season ending risk injury.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Last year.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We'll see if he's back two hundred percent. Josh Allen obviously,
what is it, three out of the last four years,
has lost to Patrick Mahons in the playoffs. Lamar Jackson
obviously doesn't have that super Bowl appearance to you know,
kind of headline his resume. And then of course Justin
Herbert has struggled to even make the playoffs, and then
once he got there, obviously his team not really through
his own fault, but completely melted down. So I just
(10:48):
bring it up to say, there's a lot of stuff
after number one, But I think the fact that we
can't definitively say who is two is what's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The Joe Burrow win over Patrick Mahomes, that super Bowl appearance,
to your point, is going a long long way. I
am curious and of Josh Allen. If the Bills would
have made a Super Bowl, would there be enough to
even overtake Mahomes in that scenario? If they would have
beaten the Chiefs in the divisional playoffs this year and
went to the Super Bowl, would that have been enough?
(11:18):
I don't think it is. I think that the gap
is significant enough to keep Mahomes at number one. What
hit my eyes and Ears the most when I saw
these rankings with that after an MVP season and a
season where they were the best team in the AFC,
is that Lamar Jackson is at number four. But here's
(11:42):
the funny thing about it, Aaron is I don't know
if he should be higher and I don't know if
he should be lower because the rankings two years ago
had Lamar Jackson as honorable mention. It was last year
that he cracked the top ten in these rankings at
number seven. And now you think about it, in the
best case scenario for him outside of that Super Bowl
would be to go and win an MVP and lead
the Ravens like he did, and it only got him
(12:04):
up to fourth, you know, So, like, is that now
the ceiling of Lamar Jackson, or with Lamar Jackson, like
I feel Josh Allen would be, would be lifted by
a Super Bowl appearance. Because that leads me to the
second thing that struck my mind. Matthew Stafford being number
five and how much the narrative has changed around him
being a quarterback better than Aaron Rodgers in these rankings.
(12:26):
The Super Bowl win that he had two years ago,
I think obviously plays a huge huge deal. But you
remember he didn't even he was injured at a point
last season where they had to have Brett Rippens start
a game for them against the Green Bay Packers in
the middle of the season. So Stafford's ability and his
abilities looked upon by others in the league have completely
(12:48):
completely gone through the roof. He didn't make the top
ten two years ago. Last year ended up making it
in the ten spot and now comes in at number
five on the list. I've never seen a ranking. I
have never heard a talk show that has had Matthew
Stafford as a top five quarterback in the National Football League,
but this one does. Among league scouts and coaches and execs.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That was another one that staid out too, was is
he a little bit overvalue?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Now?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
The Lamar stuff is interesting because I feel like the
narratives on Lamar they swing just too far one direction
in the other. Because I still go back to that
playoff game last year. I know you do your Sunday show.
I happened to be filling in on the Sunday of
the AFCNFC championship games, so I'm obviously not only watching
the game like tens of millions of Americans but I'm watching,
(13:38):
you know, pen and paper, making sure I don't miss anything.
And I still say, and I think most people would
agree that meltdown by the Ravens, I don't think it
really speaks to Lamar Jackson. I think it speaks to
Todd Munkin and the play calling in that game, you know.
I mean, the play calling was such a disaster. They
went away from the run, They went away from what
made him successful. So I don't blame Lamar for that.
(14:00):
But again, I don't know if you could put him
ahead of these other guys, you can probab put them
ahead of Josh Allen.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I mean Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You know, I feel like Josh Allen is kind of
synonymous with the bills of the perspective of do both
the bills? But do he get too much credit considering
that there really isn't a signature win on the resume.
I mean, I know it's cliche to say at this point,
but it's true. The best win on the resume is
a close loss to the Kansas City Chiefs is having
a lead against Kansas City Chiefs with thirteen seconds Togo.
(14:28):
So I think you could argue to move Lamar Jackson
ahead of him. I don't know that you can argue
to move Joe Burrow, to move Lamar Jackson ahead of
Joe Burrow. As far as Stafford's concerned, I kind of
agree with you, But it's kind of the same thing
when I visualize in my head, you know, this guy's
a top five quarterback. That's not you know, Mahome is
gonna be there, you know Allen's gonna be there. I
think you know Jackson's gonna be there, and you know
(14:49):
Burrow's gonna be there. If we're under the assumption that
these injuries are kind of a season by season thing
rather than a recurring you just can't rely on him.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, and so five.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
But then it becomes the same conversation, Well, what's Justin
Herbert's signature win? You know what? You know he's had them,
but not in the at the highest levels. And I
think Justin Herbert's an interesting spot this year with the
new coaching staff where it's kind of put up or
shut up time for him.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
CJ. Stroud? Are we are we two?
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Are we over.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Hyping him too much based off last year than Aaron
Rodgers the opposite, because he's been out of sight out
of mind. I know he wasn't great that last year
in Green Bay, but are we underrating him because we
really haven't seen him in basically two years. So I
know I threw a lot right back at you did.
I didn't mean to go along.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
No, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Something.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I actually am glad that you're sitting next to me
because you answered the question that I had five minutes
ago that I wasn't sure on what to think of
the Lamar Jackson ranking. So do you think it's garbage? Okay?
Should be higher? Okay, exactly right, like when you when
you lay it out the way that you did in
terms of Josh Allen and what he's accomplished. Also, I'm
sorry we take MVP awards and we use that throughout
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the year. I did a pyramid ranking a couple of
years ago because I thought the whole process was a sham,
and while it was somewhat mocking what people do with
the MVP, it laid out and how you actually should
look at an MVP throughout the season, and the MVP
when the season I did it was Aaron Rodgers and
he did win the MVP that season. Throughout the season,
it showed it. Lamar Jackson has one and now two MVPs.
(16:24):
And to your point of leading a team to victory, yeah,
I think that the executives are still under selling Lamar Jackson,
considering again, he didn't make the list two years ago.
He was seventh last year. Now you lead everything up
to it and you bring up the AFC Championship game
were they almost actually did come back.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
After all that.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you Aaron Torres for like Lamar
Jackson is getting short changed in this, Stafford's getting And honestly,
I don't mind Stafford getting the love that he's gotten
because he's gotten a lot of crap throughout his career.
And if scouts and leagues, league execs see it awesome
for him. I think that people are really hot on
(17:05):
the CJ. Stroud thing. I think that made me a
bit of an overreaction, But it looks. Look at how
quickly it turns that we don't have we don't have Tua,
we don't have Jalen Hurts in these rankings. Jalen Hurts
was in the rankings last year. How you can have
Rogers still at eight coming off of an Achilles when
he's you know, forty years old, like there's it doesn't
make a lot of sense, but you answer the question
(17:25):
at least to the Lamar Jacksonville underrated.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
There you go two time MVPR right now, and I
think there is something to it. And the last thing
I would say is with Josh Allen. You know, I
mentioned I feel like with Justin Herbert and not that
this is like some crazy strong opinion, but kind of
put up a shut up time. You got your coach,
They've clearly invested in the O line, the skill, put
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
It's put up a shut up time.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I feel like we're I feel like we're a step
past that with Josh Allen, where it's like, now until
you prove it to me, I'm gonna kind of assume
that you're not gonna And it's not all he's another one,
it's not all his fault, you know whatever. There's a
million things Sean McDermott, is he the right guy, defensive
head coach, you know, the run game, whatever. But I
(18:08):
just bring it up because Lamar Jackson to me, has
proven it. I don't know, I just feel like Lamar
Jackson has proven it to a degree where if this
was Aaron Torres's rankings. As opposed to GMS, I would
definitely have Lamar Jackson above Josh Allen, and without taking
too much recency bias into effect, I'd probably have Lamar
Jackson frankly at number two because I just don't know
(18:30):
if at this point Joe Burrow I can fully expect
to consistently make it through seventeen game seasons.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Josh Allen as a runner for the Bills was magnificent
fifteen touchdowns on the ground last year, but I'm not
worried about touchdowns. Yeah, until your point, like when we're
looking at these guys and where they operate and what
they've achieved, like to that aspect of it, Yeah, this
is if this is taking away all achievements and taking
(18:57):
away everything else, maybe there's an argument that that can
be made, but I think that you have to put
that sort of sort of stuff into the conversation. And
Dak Prescott being at number ten.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
That was that was another one. Yep, I'm just not
a Dak guy. I just I'm just I'm over it.
I'm just totally over it.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But it's also the point of ten isn't as great
as you would think it would, like I mean, because
now you're like top You're bordering top third of the
league in a thirty two team league like that. So
that's so that's so that's where you are at least,
so that's how the rest of the league feels and feels.
Someone like Rogers off the Achilles or a Jared Goff
who got the new huge deal to stay in Detroit
(19:34):
are better options than Dak.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Really quick, one answer you if if this was Dan
Byer's list, Brock Perty or Dak Prescott Dak?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Okay, what about Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Dak throws the I don't know if Dak can win
the big game, but I have zero questions about him
throwing the football around and doing what he needs to do.
I would take Dak ten out of ten times over
Brock Party if you did not talk about their supporting
casts ten out of ten times supporting cast take it
(20:10):
out of the way. I'm taking Dak over Brock Party
ten out of ten times.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
What about Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, see, because I think Jalen Hurts is underrated and
his real test actually will be no Jason Kelsey, Right, Yeah,
I think that's that's a big part of it. This year.
I can't believe they gave a J Brown more now
you're you. He wants the football so much that I
think it becomes a detriment to everything else that you're
doing and puts more pressure on him. I'm curious to
(20:37):
see how Hurts response, but I would take I would
take Dak probably over Hurts. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I think there's two or three guys in the honorable
mentions you could definitely make a strong argument for over Dak.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
He is not a Dak fan. I am more so.
But thank you for at least solving the riddle of
Lamar Jackson, who we can now say once again underrated
as an NFL quarterback. He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Beyer.
Hit him up at Aaron Underscore or as you can
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Guerrera did respond to our conversation of the quarterback, specifically
how I felt that Lamar Jackson should be above Josh Allen.
(22:12):
George says that Lamar had twenty nine total touchdowns last year,
Josh Allen had forty six total touchdowns. Allen has beaten
Lamar in the playoffs, and he wanted to know where
Lamar's signature win in the playoffs were. But isn't that
your point about Josh Allenson. Yeah, yeah, to that point,
I just think if you're looking at the grand scheme
(22:33):
of things, we make so much deal about the MVP
award and Lamar's not got two of them, and throughout
the season the Ravens were a better football team. I
am not captivated by touchdown runs as a stat to
increase your value. It's more of an overall thing. And
Alan and Jackson are closer. I think Jackson's had more
(22:55):
team success than Alan has.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, and I think it speaks to two things. One
gets really foggy after number one with Patrick Mahomes. You
could punch a hole on anybody's argument. But two, yeah,
I just you know, at some point, I don't know,
and I know we gotta get some other stuff. But
that's that's what makes Josh Allen so interesting is the
tools are so evident, and it's not like he hasn't
(23:18):
played well in big games, but he doesn't have those
signature wins.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
It's just an interesting conversation.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
And in the U or the British Open. Excuse me,
the Open, as they say, RNA has announced that there
are three point one million reasons for a golfer two
want to win, besides it being one of the most
prestigious tournaments on the golf calendar. Yeah, three point one
million dollar grand prize to the winner.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
So it's a seventeen million dollar perse.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, that's you know, it's actually less than the US Open,
the US Oven get Brice in the Shamble four point
three million dollars. Yeah, so this is yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
He doesn't raise a five hundred thousand dollars range.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
No, the money's through the roof in the in these
majors over the last couple of years. But the US
Rory McElroy got like two point three million for finishing
second at the US Open. Wobsolutely absurd.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
So I'm excited. I'll be hoest.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, I'll be staying up late Wednesday and then up
early Thursday to catch the first run action from Royal Troon.
At some point there's going to be a Tiger Woods conversation.
You and I are going to be in for Cavino
and Rich tomorrow. Not only will we have a conversation
about that, he was talking about Greg Sanky and the
SEC focused on their sixteen teams. There's a bigger conversation
with college expansion. If we don't do it today, we'll
do it tomorrow when we're in for a CNR. We
(24:24):
are in for Doug Gottlieb here today from the Tirereck
dot Com studios. So what had you glued to the
couch last night that you just could not leave? Well,
I will.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You know, it's a summer of change for Torres. I
don't know what's going on with me, but a few
weeks ago, you know, when the Chicago Sky we're playing
the Indiana Fever, that was the first time it was
appointment WNBA viewing for me, and I will also say
it was appointment viewing for the COPA final last night.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Now part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know, my wife is from a Copa country, you know,
Spanish speaking country or her dad loves soccer, so we're
talking about it all week She's from Guatemalaoa. I don't
know if they were even in the tournament but did
not do well. If they did, but they love soccer.
We talked about it all weekend. But I just found
the Copa tournament to be awesome. I know people love
(25:12):
the Euros too. I think the time difference was a
little hard for me because you know, you're doing stuff
during the day, but nighttime every single night, and then
it just felt like there was about seven eight nights
in a row that every game delivered. You know, you
go back to Canada's upset over whoever, Uruguay over the US,
Uruguay over Brazil. Argentina was in penalty kicks at one
(25:35):
point the Columbia Uruguay match that you know, there was
the fight in the stands, but it was a very
compelling match prior to that. So knowing the final was
last night, knowing Messi, you know, could be his final
major international appearance for Argentina, and obviously this was a young,
up and coming Columbia team that hadn't lost in forever,
(25:55):
was very excited. And then of course, you know, the
game got postponed for two.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Him I I have enjoyed the euro Tournaments of the past,
have not gotten into the Copa Americas as much. I
don't think that there's a way to do it because
they're month long events and you only have a certain window.
But to have them running concurrently, I would love it
if they were staggered. I would love to be able
to be reeled in and watch the euro Championships, and
(26:21):
you could do it maybe maybe in a way where
once you get out of group play where there aren't
matches every day, where then all of a sudden, now
COPA takes over, so you're watching those matches every day.
I was not as locked in as you were to
all of the matches, but I did make a point
to last night to put on the final between Argentina
and Columbia, and when my son wanted to watch his
(26:45):
tractor shows on YouTube, I put it up on my phone,
which is another test of how much you want to
watch do you transition to another viewing point and then
it goes into extra time. So yeah, so I was
I was with you with that, with that final. I
was with you know when the United States was in
it and then not winning. But it's a in these
(27:05):
summers where the NBA hasn't been as dynamic in the
off season, and what has happened like it brings people
like you and like me into the conversation and is exciting.
And that's what I think in the World Cup from
two years from now, I think it's gonna be absolutely explode.
It's gonna explode way more than the Olympics are, you know,
in two weeks for what we have. Maybe it'll be
a different story when the Olympics are here in the
(27:27):
States in four years and for us in our backyard
here in LA. But I think it's it was really
good for a month, and in a way, aren't you
kind of like sad that there isn't anything today or
anything to look forward to?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Well?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
And I think part of why I can only speak
for myself, but why I got into it was you're
coming off the NBA Finals where there's just kind of
something to watch on TV.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
And you know, the.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Work that we do, we're privileged to do it, but
when when the slow season hits, I try to make
it a priority spend a little bit more time with
my wife watching TV, doing watching what she wants for
a change. You know, the weather's nice, taking out the
dog for a little bit more. But there are those
moments where she's running late to work where whatever blah
blah blah, where you just want something to watch. And
so yeah, so I think it filled a void. It's
(28:10):
an easy watch. You know, I was telling my wife,
I said, soccer reminds me of baseball, where you don't
really have to be locked in on every play.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
You kind of can.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I was cleaning up the house last night after dinner,
you know, we grilled whatever, and it was like, you know,
you kind of you can kind of know when there's
something that could happen, and you can look up while
your washing dishes do whatever. So yeah, I am kind
of bummed that that we are without soccer.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Although you know, I know that.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Your your your passion is college basketball. It's where your
bread and butter is. And along with that, I know
Yukon is in near and dear place in your heart
because it's your alma mater. Would you ever crawl into
ventilation to see a Dan Hurley team play for a
championship like they were last night at hard Rock Stadium
(28:54):
in South Florida for Columbian fans to watch them face Argentina.
I don't think I could do that now. I mean,
someone done for a Dolphins game. I can tell you
that no one has ever wanted to go to a
Dolphins game that bad where they are jumping the like
crazy crazy scenes last night.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
But it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
But the alternative is when I was in college, I
camped out for days at a time in freezing cold
weather to get tickets to you know, so it's levels
of crazy. But continue, I know where you were going.
I didn't mean to cutch you out.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, just it's the point of One of the lasting
headlines is the unrest that has taken place over these
final Copa America matches in the semi final in Charlotte
and then last night in Miami. And what ends up
happening is the United States has looked at as a
country that doesn't care about soccer and therefore doesn't have
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the pieces in place to take care of things that
need extra security and events that shouldn't happen at any
sporting event. And the only thing that I would say
is what's is the constant that these matches are happening
in the United States where there were no other incidents
aside from the last two, Or is the constant you know,
(30:07):
the fan base of Columbia going absolutely bonkers over their
team and having these rites like where is where is it? Like?
Who are we to blame? Are we really going to
blame America? Or should we blame the fans who are
actually causing this unrest and causing the scenes that we
saw in the last two places they played.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, So for me, I was actually a little bit
surprised by the discourse around that. And I know social
media not always the brightest bulbs that are leading the
charge on all these discourses here. But you know, I've
watched major college football playoff games, I've watched Super Bowls,
I've watched National championship games at that stadium. I've watched
other international soccer games at that stadium. By the way,
(30:45):
I watched a month of COPA in the US, which
right up until the post game with Columbia was unless
I missed something, completely incident free. So I wish things
had gone better. But you know, when tens of thousands
of people descend, by reports and accounts, descend upon a
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stadium that don't have tickets, many of them try to
get into the game. I think there's only so much
people can do. And it's also worth noting, by the way,
one of the international soccer federations actually helps run that event.
So it's not like Dolphin, It's not like Steven Ross is,
you know, dictating security plans to his security teams.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
So I was surprised by the discourse. Let me put
it that way.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Byer. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. And even though
Doug isn't here, but later on in the program, you'll
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through the world of not only college basketball, but the NBA.
Hit him up at Aaron Underscore Torres. He can find
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(31:53):
for Doug Today. Coming up next Big Deal, Little deal
or no deal? That Nick Saban is picked against Alabama.
We'll find out next here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. This
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Speaker 2 (32:15):
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posted right after we get off the air. Erin. We
got a little bit more time left and again you
and I will be in tomorrow for Cavino and Rich.
He're on Fox Sports Radio hanging with us now the
one and only Kevin Wyatt who brings us a game.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
This is game time Tig on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Happy Monday to you, Kevin? How are you hey? What's
going on the game today? Is?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
What?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
What do we got?
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
All right, let's hear these scenarios.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
All right, So big deal, little deal or no deal?
Was start in tennis, Carlos Alcarez beating Novak Djokovic to
win Wimbledon and doing so in straight sets.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
This is a big deal, Aaron, because I feel this
was the opportunity of a real changing of the guard.
Djokovic still dealing with injuries throughout his career, but still
the last of the big three with Naidalen Federer. And
now there's an opportunity for Alcaraz to really grab men's
(33:35):
tennis and put a stranglehold on it. Just twenty one
years of age, he's already got four Grand Slam titles.
I know twenty five is a big number and it's
far far away, but I expect Alcaraz, who only is
just needs the Australian Open for the career Grand Slam,
to start piling up these Grand Slam numbers, especially if
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there isn't a true competitor that can rival him. Like
you saw with Nadal and Federer and then Djokovic to
the both of them. I think it was a huge
big deal on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
So I agree for essentially all the same reasons. I
remember probably two thousand and nine, twenty ten, Roger Federer
losing an Australian Open final to Rafael and Nadal and
being in tears, and I've no, no, and I'm serious
because I think it was the moment he had lost
in a doll before, but it had always been clay,
he had been banged up.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
It was a weird circumstance.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I think the tears at that time represented this guy
just might be better than me, and I think that we
might have had that moment with Alkarez taking the torch
from Djokovic in that other generation yesterday.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal, that
Hall of Fame wide receiver Calvin Johnson will be inducted
to the Pride Lions, so their version of the Ring
of Honor, especially since he was not even on speaking
terms with the team for a little while.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's why I think it's a big deal that now
the Lions, and look at what happens when you win
football games, right, like all is everybody is back in
good graces, and I think everybody wants to be a
part of the Lions party. They're going to do it
in a game against the Seahawks on Monday Night football.
I think that's one of the weekends where you have
the double Monday Night, the doubleheader. But yeah, I think
(35:18):
it's a big deal that now all is good, and
I think a lot of it has to do with
the Lions winning football games.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think it's a big deal for that reason. I'll
say little deal only because as time goes on, I
realize that in sports, time heals essentially all wounds team
players that have been disassociated from each other, you know,
rivals become friends, and I feel like we see this
stuff happen. Sometimes it takes a little bit longer, the
beef is a little bit more, but we do see it.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Twenty first player to be honored in that pride of
the Lions.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It's a lot considering the last history.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
All Right, big deal, little deal or no deal that
Nick Saban did not pick Alabama to win the SEC.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So I don't think it's a big deal. But I'm
curious for your perspective, Dan. Alabama fans were at first mad,
then there was the well it's coach Saban.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Is this actually reverse psychology to motivate the team?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I know you gotta do the big deal, little deal,
no deal, But what are Nick Saban's real intentions with this, Dan,
I need.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
To tell Yeah, So I think this is a I
think this is a I'm gonna say it's a big
deal because I think Nick Saban is taking his job
as an analyst seriously. He's saying what he believes. I
also think he knows that some of the players that
he had at Alabama that are no longer there because
they transferred do not make Alabama the team that they
once were. So if anybody knows Alabama football. It's Nick Saban.
(36:37):
So if I was an Alabama fan, I would feel
worried that our former coach sees our roster and sees
what we have and does not think we can compete
with Georgia or Texas for the top spot.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
After they lost to Texas last year, they took up
the phrase lank let all naysayers know. Well, guess who's
the number one naysayer now, Nick Saban?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
Apparently all right, big deal, little deal or no deal
Katelyn Clark leading her leading the Indiana Fever to the
win against the first place Minnesota Links eighty one seventy four.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm gonna say that this is no deal only for
the case of I felt that Caitlyn Clark was probably
gonna play forty one home games this year, and in
their schedule of I just felt that there would be
an enormous amount of pro Kaitlin Clark crowds, none more
so than in Minnesota, where you have Iowa fans just
you know, south that would make the trip up or
(37:29):
want to see. So no deal to me because it's
no surprise, even though she shoved it in the face
of the US Women's coach.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, I'll say I'll say big deal only because the
team is actually playing well. The conversations around her and
Angel Reese are justified from a basketball perspective, not just
from a talking perspective.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
All right, and that's game time.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Thanks Coving game, This is game time. On The Dug
Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Hit him up at Aaron Underscore Torres. You can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox. Come up next you'll
hear what Doug had to say this weekend. They made
all the waves, plus what was the best part of
your weekend. We all weigh in with some love and hate.
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