July 17, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the recent episode of HBO's Hard Knocks Giants Off-season and explains how the Giants ended up looking a little silly in the way the Saquon Barkley exit was handled. Doug and the crew discuss the MLB All-Star uniforms. Doug welcomes MLB Analyst and former big league outfielder Jeff Francoeur onto the show to discuss the All-Star game, the second half of the season and about Pure Athlete: a platform and podcast that empowers parents, coaches, and the next generation of athletes to navigate the complex culture of youth sports. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We got a lot to get today. Huh. I am
completely and utterly fired up at at this show. Last
night we had the All Start Major League Baseball All
Star Game. That was I guess interesting, I mean, like,
you know, the best. The best part of it was
the fact that we're discussing the uniforms, and the uniforms
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kind of distracted us from whoever won the m I
still don't know what team the MVP played for, who
it actually is, because you needed to go like, oh,
he plays for the I don't really know. We'll dive
into that one as it comes, but I do want
to react to something else that's been on TV. It's
Hard Knocks off season, which has been great because the
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Giants have probably told us a little bit too much, right.
The Giants have been oversharers with this stuff. Joel Shane
is their general manager, and in the previous Hard Knocks
he had a conversation with Saquon Barkley saying, we're gonna
let you play the market, and then he wanted Saquon
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Barkley to come back to him and tell him what
the market was. Okay, when they were trying to learn
what the market actually is and found out what the
market actually is, well, then they ended up being really
essentially a million dollars short of where the Eagles were.
But I thought this was this is this is the
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part that everybody is reacting to. This is Joel Shane
and John Marraw, who's of course the owner of the
New York Giants, in terms of updating what they know
and when they knew it with their star running.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Back, what's the latest? I just got a text that
Chicago's driving the price up and Phillies out.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Which I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
If I'll make a couple of calls. I don't even
know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But I have a tough time sleep and if Siquand
goes to Philade the outside of that, as I've told you,
just being up, I haven't been around enough players, but
he's the most popular player we have by far.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Uh, he's the most popular player we have by far.
And apparently he's not gonna be sleeping well because yeah,
I mean, by now we all know he is in
fact going to be a Philadelphia Eagle. And when what's
interesting about that one is that there's a lot going
on here. I know people think that this is dysfunction.
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I've heard that before. I think Cowherd said that earlier today.
The reality is, this is function. This is how things work.
When you let somebody play the open market, and you
tell them they can play the open market, and you
ask them to come back. Hey man, we really want
you to come back, and you know, and allow us
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to meet whatever the highest bid is. And you know,
really they were right there in the ballpark. But anytime
you do that, you run the risk of losing a player,
you let a guy get out into the open market,
and that's what has a tendency to happen. I just
I love it. I think this is really really how
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it works. And I honestly think the mistake was as
much the Giant says it was, Saquon. You have all
of that positive equity playing with the New York Giants,
and you threw it all out the window for what
for a million dollars, Which I mean again, in the
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reality is had you simply gone to John Merra and said,
we're a million off. If you make me whole, I
will stay. I'll be a Giant forever. Had you done
those things, this would be a rap. We always blame
the organization, but why is organization to blame when the
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numbers are essentially the same. There was no like seismic
gap between the two teams. Now a seismic gap, And yeah,
Joel Shane sitting there going I just got a message.
It felt a little hackish, it did, but that's again,
honestly the way it works, because no matter what Saquon's
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agent or Saquon tells you, the fact is you don't
you can't necessarily trust it. Or take it at face value.
You have to ask all different sources. It came off
as weird, It came off as a little bit you know,
it came off as a little inexperienced. But when he
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tells the guy, hey, we want you to give us
a shot to match whatever you get, and then they're
within a million dollars and didn't feel like they got
a chance to match. This to me, feels like Saquon
was in his own feelings, whether it was over last
year when they had the running backs get together, or
however it was handled this year, but the Giants weren't
far off the numbers again, essentially the exact same numbers,
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and whatever the total is, if it's a million dollars,
if you can't go to John Merrow, who admits that
you're most popular player and doesn't want you to go
to the Giants, if you don't have the balls, pick
up the phone and go, hey, man, listen, I've loved
playing for you. I want to be a giant. You
said you want to be a bit of a giant.
We're off by a million dollars. Can you get me
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a million five? If you can do that, I'll be
a giant. For life. And this is in many ways
the same conversation you know I'll have at the end
of the season with my players, You know those guys
in college sports. You can be a free agent just
about any year, But do you want to hand over
the sweat equity you have, especially when you're Saquon Barkley
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a beloved member of the New York Giants. I mean,
think about Tiki Barber isn't necessarily even beloved, and look
at his post career career, and at least a good
portion of it is because he was a New York
Giant for life. He was a really good player, and
he went through his own time when he was a malcontent.
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He went through his own time where he struggled with
the organization, but because of his tie to the organization,
he's forever a Giant. You go to the Philadelphi Eagles
and you're dead to the Giants. You just are. You're
dead to Giant fans. You can't put the lipstick back
in the tube after that one. There's lots of teams
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you can go to. There's a difference in financial value.
You can go and seek if you're ten million dollars apart,
everybody's gonna go I totally understand if you're one million
dollar apart. And most of the details of the deals,
if you've looked at them, are exactly the same. Well
now it changes very much, and all this information is
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readily available. You know, Saquon Barkley is playing for the Eagles,
and yes, John Marra is gonna lose sleep at night.
And Joel Shane did look a little bit new at
this sort of negotiation. He wouldn't appear as strong as
I think many people would like him. But the reality
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is Saquon easily could be a giant today making a
little bit more money than he's making. But he never
pushed the envelope. And I'm sure at least a portion
of it is the bitterness in I can't believe the
hoops I had to jump through to get this money
to begin with. Okay, but when out on the free market,
the best deal you could get was the Philadelphia Eagles,
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and it's basically the same deal as the New York Giants.
It tells you the Giants weren't fire off. This happens
at a lot of places. It happens in my industry.
I'm guessing it happens in yours. And one of the
challenges for the Giants moving forward is the guys you have.
The guys you have, you know, the most important recruits
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you have are the ones on campus. The most important
guys you have are the ones within your facility. You
got to make them feel the love so that if
you're because your first contract offer is always going to
be well short of what they want. No one just
walks in and goes like, hey, what do you want? Oh, great,
We're gonna give you that plus one hundred thousand dollars.
That doesn't happen in real life. In real life, there
is a bottom line. In real life, you have to negotiate.
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In the NFL real life, you have a salary cap
and you have to abide by that salary cap. The
Giant's weren't far off. I just I find it really
interesting that no one be for me has pointed out
that Sakwan Barkley said, I don't value my relationship with
the Giants, because if you did, you wouldn't take a
deal that's essentially the same with a little bit more money,
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especially when the GM told you, Hey, whatever you get,
come back to us, and we'd like to give a
chance to match.
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Speaker 2 (09:31):
App Stug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So, Jason, I'm
going to give you credit because I think you kind
of nailed it when we were talking about it. Second
straight day. You've done really well for yourself. You can
come back for a third straight day, which is we're
discussing the Major League Baseball Star Game. And it's interesting.
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I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning and he
said it felt like a softball game. Was exactly what
I thought like. I was flipping around last night. My
new neighbors invite us over by me over for dinner
and had dinner, came home, flipped on the All Star
Game and I'm flipping around and I was like, well,
there's the baseball game. There's a baseball game. But I
(10:14):
thought I was watching the you know that home run
derby they have, and then maybe I thought it was
the Future Stars game. It just didn't look like a
Major League baseball Then I heard the voices and I
was like, oh, okay, this is the All Star Game,
and then I settled in and I watched for a
little bit, but I couldn't identify. It's hard enough in
baseball to identify the players. You know. One of the
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great things that Fox has always done when they're broadcasting baseball,
and I don't know if people will know this is
Fox is famous for those tight close ups of pitchers
and managers and emotions and people in the people in
the stands as well, And you know, outside of Paul's skins,
like they start throwing up random picture, I'm like, I
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don't know who that is. And then they have a
random uniform and I don't know who that is. I
couldn't have been the only one who thought that way.
And it's weird because I realized those uniforms are kind
of cool, right you a blue and the pink ones.
I've seen the hats. They're kind of cool. The problem
is they don't look in any way, in any way
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like identifiable Major League Baseball All Star uniforms. Like this
is just overthinking it. And this is just one of
those cases that in life and we're all going to
learn this at some point in time. I said it
with Saquon Barkle maybe this is the theme of the show,
which is Saquon Barkley could make a million dollars more,
and a million dollars is a lot of money, and
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people can always go like, well, what about post Texas
post texts a half million dollars in it's probably okay, fine, Like,
ask anybody in the street, would you prefer to make
a million or you know, post tax or not make million.
Everybody's like, I make big a maion, Okay, I mean
so regardless of pre task, post tax, post tax, it's
six hundred thousand dollars. Okay, that's six you know, that's
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still a lot more money. But what do you lose
with that money in comparison to what you would have
made had you stayed with the Giants. The same thing
is true with Major League Baseball. Why do they do
these horrendous alternative uniforms that are never worn before and
never worn after. Well because they can sell them in
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every the Major League Baseball park in the league and
make a little bit more money. But whatever amount they
make more, even if it is several million dollars and
I can't think it's that much more, whatever amount they
make more, is that worth it? Because I couldn't identify
a single player just watching when they when they showed
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all nine players out there in the batter in the
battle's box. There's no way I couldn't identify it. I
couldn't have been the only one. Jay ste you brought
it up, so I guess, I guess you're right there
as well. Right, Like you couldn't identify a single guy, No, I.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Mean I could identify them. You just have to. You
kind of have to strain your eyes a little bit.
It's kind of like during the regular season. This has
been a frustration of mine. Like I have been watching
and following baseball for over four decades, and I know
baseball and I'm passionate about it, and I tune into
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like just a regular Wednesday game or I'll be watching
highlights on ESPN, and I can't identify the team based
on their colors, the city connects or whatever, and the
alternatives and everything else frustrate me. Like like an older
baseball fan, I can only imagine, and I'm pay to
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follow sports, I can only imagine how frustrated it is
for like a casual baseball fan a two and in
last night and just be like, who are these guys.
Who I mean, that's the frustrating part. I think baseball
is trying to be like the other two most popular sports.
The problem is like people are just much more familiar
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with NBA players and the way they look, and football
players as well, even though they're wearing the helmets, they're
just more identifiable. Baseball doesn't have that luxury anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I would agree, Monte, did you like uniforms?
Speaker 7 (14:30):
The uniforms were rough. They're just rough. I think you
hit it right on the money, though. This is trying
too hard. Yeah, clearly you were thinking, you know, we're
gonna sell because we have a new uniform, but I
don't know who's gonna buy this.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I mean, think of all the things. They're trying too hard. Yeah,
I mean, like you remember when Cowherd first came on
to Fox. Do you guys remember when he and it
wasn't It wasn't Colin's idea. Colin has never been a
but somebody g the idea of dyeing his hair like brown,
and it was it was tough to watch people do
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that with their teeth where they get those veneers and
it's just trying too hard. It's like, dude, what are
you doing? You know, what are you doing? In many ways?
You know, fake hair guy, whether they get the transplant whatever.
Like a lot of times guys are trying too hard
and look, you can run my fingers. You're like, dude,
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it doesn't look it doesn't look real. What are you doing?
You know, people try too hard. I mean La really
is the center of trying too hard. You know, but
you just try too hard to be something you're not.
Your baseball have price stick out your chest, Like what's
cool about baseball? All the different uniforms, all the different stadiums,
all the different hats, Like that's what's cool by baseball? Yeah,
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you know baseball. It's like, oh, we've been the same
for one hundred years. Yeah, and you know what, Fine,
lean into who you are. Don't try and be something different.
It was as if it was as if Tron had
a baseball game. I almost was waiting for some sort
of glowing the dark ball and it was just too much.
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And for me, who I've become a casual baseball fan.
I love baseball. I've been this, you know, I've been
an Angel game this year, Dodger game this year, and
I've been to several Brewers games as well, like I'm
I'm not Jason, I'm not Monsey, but like baseball, but dude,
I couldn't tell you who anybody is because they're not
identifiable without a uniform, you know. I mean, yeah, I
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know who Aaron Judges, and yeah I know Paul Skens is,
and yeah, I know who some of these guys are.
But and we played this game there, She's like, who
the hell's the angel when Mike Troust's on the All
Star Game right, Like, you can't identify them at least?
If what's the purpose, by the way, of having a
guy from every team, If we don't know who that
guy from your team is? I do what I understand.
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That's somebody who goes they're in a meeting and somebody
tells the commissioner, hey, we got some new uniforms. Let's
see him. And somebody says, like, you know, guys, I
don't know. Yeah, I don't know either, but you know what,
we can make five million dollars more out of this deal,
Like five million dollars we allways do it. Meanwhile, what
you lose is equity to their fans, identifiability with your fans,
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and kind of any sort of history and lore just
felt like a swing and miss last night. Let's get
to Monci Belogio's find out what else going on? Monce.
What do you got?
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Real quick? Still on this All Star Game, I was driving,
so I was listening to it on the radio, and
I laughed so hard because everybody was waiting for Paul
Skiings to face Aaron Judge. And then he hit into
a double play and it was over. One pitch hit
it to the third basement double play and it was over.
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And I was like, Wow, we were waiting for this
moment and it was over in fifteen seconds and it
didn't get any better. I feel like it was just like, oh,
there was a good boy hits. It was everything I heard.
It's just seemed very very and just like the uniforms, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Baseball, that's fas Jeffrankcour joins just of course MLB analysts
from big league outfielders. Of course, who doesn't remember when
he came up with the Braves and was unbelievable from
the from the jump. Uh, he's with pure athlete. We'll
talk to him about what that's about. The meantime, he
joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. So wait, who's the golf coach that you're
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related to?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Lee Ranky Man the women's and men's golf coach up there.
So I've actually got to look at you know, I'm
I'm a I'm a fan man, So I'll be pumped
up to follow y'all this year. First off, congratulations to
you too, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
We're gonna get you to a game.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Oh absolutely, come up, man, And uh, you know I've
been a huge fan obviously yours, your show, but to
have you there, and I know, you know, my uncle
has done a great job with the with the golf
program up there and having a lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, he's he's as you know, he's worked through some
health stuff so we have him. But he's a he's
a fighter, and he's an awesome dude. And I see
him just about just about every day. Jeffrancour joins just
as a former Big leaguer. What'd you think of the
uniforms last night?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Oh my god, they were hideous. I mean hideous. And
you know what's weird is like you know, a lot
of times with where you're at, they try to make it,
you know, be part of what it is. But I
just thought, you know, Texas, you know, you always hear
everybody does it bigger in Texas, and I just thought
they would have had something. I mean, those were tough
to look at.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Man, why not just have the regular uniforms. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I missed those days. I agree, I missed the days
where the players wore their uniforms. Everybody knows what leagues
are in, you know. I mean, it's not like it's
a it's a big issue. I think it's cool and
they do it like the National League jerseys. It literally
looked like the Marlins. It looked like it was like
the All Star Game was in Miami or something. But
it's just very confusing.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know what that's about. There's somebody,
somebody told them they can make a little bit more
money doing it, and I just don't think there's any
there is an amount where it's enough to go like, okay,
that makes sense. I don't think there's enough of those
jerseys sold to where it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You know, you don't think. But then again, I say
I didn't like it, and there's my year old son.
Those things are awesome, you know, like, what the heck
do I know?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, although did he go to you and say can
I order one?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, he did not say that, you're right, And even
if he did, I tell him, Sorry, Bud, you have
a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Jeffrancore is
our is our guest, Okay, let's do our My producer
is one of the biggest Dodger fans on Earth, and
they have an obvious need for pitching. So, but you
have this ridiculous lineup with ridiculous talent. If you're the Dodgers,
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what do you do as you're not a lock to
make the postseason but you're essentially a lot? What do
you do in terms of your staff?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I tell you what, Dolly, it's incredible. You know. Me
and Brian Anderson, who I know is a buddy yours too.
We did the Dodger Phillies two weeks ago and we
sat in David Roberts' office and it's unbelievable when Dave
sits there and Docks is going through, well, we're not
going to have him. We're not going to have him.
We're not going to have him, and this kind of
comes down to, right, like what we saw for them
from the playoffs last year, Just like the Braves have
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all this offense, but you didn't have the starting pitching
to go on the postseason. And when you're going up
against the Phillies and your faith and Zach Wheeler your
face and Aaron Nola your face and rangers are you
have to have arms out there.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I think, look, Glass now is going to be fine.
I mean his is more. I think, you know, a
little break, just get back. But the fact of the
matter is, you know, you got other guys that you
just don't know. And as good as that lineup is
and as many runs as they score, you know as
well as I do. When you face as Zach Wheeler,
you have to have someone on the other side that
can keep you in that ballgame too, to give you
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a chance to capitalize with some big hits, with different things.
And you know that. I mean, I've said it from there.
They have to make sure when they go in October
they have three starters that can go and can can
go deep into games. If they do that, they have
every chance in the world, especially when Mookie comes back
to win that World Series. But if you don't know
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who your Game two or Game three starter is, Man,
it's to me, it's so tough to run the gauntlet
now in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You mentioned
Brian Anderson. He also covers the Brewers. I got a
chance to spend some time with them, and they are
another team just massive injuries to their pitching staff, but
they've been able to do it. You know, they do
it with a completely different financial scale. It does feel
like it's starting to catch up with them, right Like
(22:43):
Freddie Peralta was mashed by the Nationals. He seems to
be running on a little bit of fumes. Can they
keep this going despite how depleted they've been by injury?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Well, I think, Look, I think you make a great point.
I think the biggest answer is going to be is
anybody vision good enough to run down or to keep
it going? But I would worry more for them, Like
you get to the postseason, you know that's a tough thing.
It's one thing to get there, but who are the
teams that can really get over the hump? And look,
I even said this last year. You know we did
the NLCS and watching the Diamondbacks. Yes, they did not
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have a great offense. They didn't, but they had three
legit starters and they had three guys in the bulltime
that were lockdown guys, and that can take you, you know,
all the way to the World Series, like it did.
Now they caught Texas who was really hot. But that's
going to be the thing. Man, you have to have
arms in the postseason. I just you know, I'm an
offensive guy. I love it. But I also grew up
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a Brave fan here in the nineties and had the
Mattic Smulti Glaven days where it's like that was the
recipe to you know, run off all those division titles.
And so that's that's the Milwaukee got to add at
the deadline with arms. Their offense is fine, Yeah, let's contrail.
They got plenty of firepower to me to be opportunistic,
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but they need an arm or too.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Obviously, Braves are in position for a wild card, but
as far as the division, they're a good eight and
a half back of the Phillies. How would you characterize
the Braves to date?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
You know, I told someone this the other day. Everybody
said they were the greatest team in baseball last year,
and look offensively, they were incredible last year. The years
that guys put up. Ronald Akunya obviously the MVP, but
they got to Game three of the postseason against the
Phillies and they didn't know who their starter was going
to be. And so I think if you saw the
three all starts for the Braves is they're three aces
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Ronaldo Lopez, Chris sal and Max Free. And if those
three are healthy going in the postseason, I think you
saw what Philly's done the last two years. With three
healthy starters, you can do that. So yeah, obviously you
lose Spencer Strider, you lose a Kunya. You was two
of the probably what top ten players in the league.
It's tough to replicate that. But if you have those
three starters, then you feel like with the offense they have,
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and Riley and Olsen and all these, you know you're
gonna have a Zuno with the year he's had, You're
gonna have enough to do some So that's why I
said again, you know, the Brave and Dodgers for for
the last one four or five years now have been
the class of the National League. But too many times
they both those teams have gone in the postseason and
they haven't had the pitching to be able to withstand it.
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And because of that, you've seen the last two years,
Man one and two both years and they both lost
in that you know DS round. So arms is where
it's at.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Arms is where it's at. I'm looking at the Orioles
and you know, best team in the American League. And
and there's Craig Kimberle at the back end of that bullpen.
Now look, I just you've seen him with the Braves, Jason,
You've seen him with the uh with with the Dodgers.
He's been doing this for a long time. We're creeping
up on I think your you're fourteen in the in
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the Bigs. How confident are you that come October Craig
Kimble can deliver and get him out, get get get
four outs or get three outs when they need it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, look, the Greig Kimberl I knew when he was
in Atlanta was a whole different story. I mean, that
guy was one hundred. He was that was the top
of his game. But I think he even saw it
last year at Philly. I mean, if you remember that
was Game four there, or started Game three in Arizona
when he blew it and then it happened. They ended
up bringing him in like what the seventh or eighth
inning in Game five, and I don't know if he
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ever pitched again in a meaningful spot. And you know,
I think Craig Kimberle has such great stuff and he's
been so good for so long. I just think it's
one of those things to me, you have to have
another guy to help protect that, right, Like if it
gets October and he's starting to get tired, you're starting
to see that velocity dip down. You I think you're
just a lot quicker to pull the trigger, right, And
(26:43):
I think that's going to be the key. That's where
I look with the Oriols too. They've given the Yankees
everything they've wanted this year from an standpoint, the same
deal with them. Are they going to have enough pitching
to be able to go deep? Because this is where
you really I know people all the time in baseball,
The next two weeks in August is where you find
out if teams have deep enough fishing, because the innings
(27:04):
are starting to add up. Guys are starting to pitch
in one hundred degree you know, heat all the time.
If you don't have depth, now it will show and
you will start to see teams kind of fall back,
and you will see a few teams do that. It's
just a matter who it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay, Jeffryan Cours our guest here and the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Pure Athlete is a platform
and a podcast that empowers parents, coaches the next generation
of athletes. How does it work?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Man, It's awesome. We've been doing it for two years now,
about start a third. We've had anywhere from Davos Sweeney
to you know, Misty mad Trainer. We've had Jamal Crawford
just a couple of weeks, Jay Billis. We've had a
lot of these athletes and coaches that my whole thing is, man, Right,
I got four kids and I'm in the middle of
coaching them doing this and am I competitive? Absolutely? Do
(27:53):
I want to win? Absolutely? But for me, it's more,
you know, at the eight, nine, ten, eleven year old ages,
these parents that are forcing these kids to do so
many things, you know, three hour practices, you got to play,
you gotta play, you know, And I always hear Geno Ari,
I'm gonna talk about this all the time, and I'm
sure you're a big believer. Is the lost art of practice, right,
(28:13):
the lost started of going out there and learning how
to play, learning how to prepare to play. You know,
I get sports is a billion use. Sports is billions
and billions of dollar business. But my whole thing is
like we're trying to give a platform to parents to
come to, for coaches to come to and kind of say, hey,
there's ways to do this without having to spend thousands
(28:34):
and thousands of dollars to travel everywhere, thousands of dollars
of private lessons. You know what's funny, we had Jamal
Crawford on and you know basketball, you know, the best
ball hander of our time. I mean, he's incredible, and
he was saying, you know how where I learned that?
Not in a private lesson, not in a practice. I
learned that in my backyard, playing with my buddies and
doing different things.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So that's that's and and look, I would you shome
on my basketball pod. I'll come on your pod. But
I agree and I disagree, And here's why I agree
that playing in tournaments all the time is not the best.
When you don't practice is not the best idea. I mean,
the biggest thing is they don't actually know how to practice,
(29:14):
haven't actually been pushed really hard, and they haven't been
taught the why, not just to what. Right. But the
other part to it is they do need to play.
They just need to, Like I don't want to call
it free play, like we obviously in basketball it's pickup ball.
Like nobody in baseball, and I don't know if baseball
they've ever played, you know, since the fifties and sixties
sand lot baseball. But in basketball, like the only way
(29:35):
you really learn how to play basketball is by playing basketball,
you know. And so like when we do our workouts
and practice, we play five on five why because they
don't play enough. So yes, you have to learn the
why and not just to what, but you also have
to play so you understand the nuances of time, scores, situations, spacing,
(29:56):
and everything's different when there's a game and there's some
sort of score. So it's a fa fascinating fasting idea.
How can somebody get more information, Well.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
They can go on to Pure Athletes Inc. I NC
dot com and go Like I said, we've had podcasts, man,
we've had mental health experts nutritionists and really kind of
the final thing I'll say that's really good on there too,
is that all the athletes we've had on there, man,
growing up were multi sport athletes. And I'm not saying
all the way to their senior of high school, but
(30:26):
they weren't ten years old just playing one sport year round.
And we we have tons of evidence with injury stuff
and all that on there. So I think it's just
a great thing. We love having dialogue. We've had, like
I said, some great athletes to talk about their journeys
and now that they have kids, how they're kind of
raising them because as I said, you know this, Ja
Billis told us ninety six point two percent of people
(30:47):
are done after high school, so it's kind of what
do you want how to use sports for your kids.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
That's a great point, a great, great point. Jeff, you're
the best man. I appreciate you join us. Let's look
word to chatting on each other's podcast on this radio
show in the very near future.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I would love to man appreciate it again. Congrats man,
looking forward to for you all.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right, Jeff, Jeff Rankcorps just just the just the newest
member of Phoenix Nation that's all it is. We're gonna
I think we should do the nation thing. Even though
I'm dead set against everybody saying they have a nation,
I'm going to contradict myself and say Phoenix Nation.
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What we get there? M m m, So we have
(31:56):
a midway coming up. And before we get to that midway, Jace,
do I just want to make sure we're clear here. Okay.
I loved your midway topic, but it was kind of
kind of expansive, right, kind of expansive. We were going
to talk about sports movies. But how are we going
to just talk about sports movies? That was the midway
topic you want to get to?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Yeah, No, I figured we would hammer out the specifics
when we got there. But this is I think this
is the time of year. This is it.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
This is the time of year, when we do that,
let's just talk about sports movies.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
No games on the schedule. There aren't a lot of
good topics today. So I think this was when we
just break down and do the cliched movies.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I would rather do the movies than talk about Brandon
Ayuk exactly.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
And we have a movie buff. We have a guy
who does a podcast about movies in the building, so
I wanted to take advantage of that expertise.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I love that. We'll get to that after we get
the game time.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
This is game time, the Doug gott Leab Show.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
What's the game today? Monton?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Well, it is Wednesday? So what are we playing?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Ryan?
Speaker 5 (33:07):
For better or worse?
Speaker 7 (33:09):
Yeah, A, you're gonna tell me. I'm gonna give you options.
Are you gonna tell me which ones better? Which one
might be worse? All right, let's start. The USA men's
basketball team has improved to three and zero in all
of these pre Olympic matchups. But for better or worse,
this US Olympic basketball team or the field, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Gonna take our US men's national team.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah, you like what you see?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I love it, But I do think like EMBIID hasn't
been great. Seems like he's playing his way into shape,
and I think he'll get better and better. And the
thing that this group has, which some previous ones had
is they do have a lot of age and experience.
And like again, in the NBA, Lebron can't guard anybody
(33:58):
because he can't move anymore. He just doesn't have the
energy to move anymore. I get it. In FIBA basketball,
he can because there's less movement needed. You kind of
grab and hold more. Yeah. And that's across the board.
So I like this US Olympic basketball team ahead of
the field.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
All right, all right, Well, the one hundred and fifty
second Open Championships starts tomorrow, So Doug for better or
worse the Open Championship or Wimbledon. That's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Wimbledon. Yeah, I'm
gonna go Wimbledon. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Have any of you guys ever done the strawberries and
cream to watch on a on a Sunday?
Speaker 7 (34:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh my gosh, like you should do it, Monci.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
This sounds amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now. I like Wimbledon, especially because the early start times,
like you can get up early in West Coast time
and watch the Wimbledon vinyl and then just have a
day to go around a doocetop. Yeah, I kind of
like it. I just, you know, the British Open with
(35:10):
the golf, it's so different and can be so windy
and it's such a different I don't know, I just
I like I like Wimbledon better.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I think I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Yeah, I like that they were all white and I
just yeah, yeah, it's classy, classy, not that the Open isn't,
but yeah, I think I'm gonna take Wimbledon. Okay, So
ESPN pulled a bunch of NFL gms and scouts, So
this is where this question comes from.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Okay, for better or.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Worse, Tyree Kill or Justin Jefferson. Now I can tell
you who they pulled and they got is the best receiver.
It was actually Justin Jefferson that they got in their
poll that Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the NFL.
Tyree Kill a second.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, I just think Tyreek Kill every time he gets
the ball, he can take it to the house. Yeah. Yeah,
if he gets the ball, he's got probably a better
wide receiver. Huh uh huh, but Tyreek Hill, you know
you can hand the ball on jet steps. I think
he's better there. I think he's better on kick return.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I just think that the other things he brings to
you that justin Jefferson again in term of the technic
technical aspects of being a wide receiver, maybe blocking as well,
justin eversonbody be better. But all around, I think Tyreek
Hill just has this the cheetah speed. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Yeah, you can't deny it.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Did the NFL gms did? Were they asked to take
into account the number of babies out of wed walk
or is this purely a NFL like on.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
The floor, It's a real question. Can you talk about
Tyreek Hill without going like he has how many kids?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Right?
Speaker 7 (36:48):
I don't know how many? Does he have?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Twelve?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Thought it was twelve twelve that they've identified, twelve that
they've identified. Rude? Rude?
Speaker 7 (36:58):
Okay, last one here, real quick for better is hard
knocks off season or hard knocks in season?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think hard knocks off season?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Really?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah? Oh, I'm really interested by it. I watch it.
I love it. Okay, I feel like hard Knocks in
season has been watered down because other team teams have
their own hard knocks. Yeah, teams have the own knocks.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
All right, this is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I don't know anybody who doesn't quote movies, let alone
sports movies. So I don't know. We're gonna do quotes
or we're gonna do ranking, we're gonna do ones that
we don't like, or we do worst actual sport played
into sports movies. But we're gonna figure out some way
to kill time and talk sports movies. We'll do that
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We got a lot to get today. Huh. I am
completely and utterly fired up at at this show. Last
night we had the All Start Major League Baseball All
Star Game. That was I guess interesting, I mean, like,
you know, the best. The best part of it was
the fact that we're discussing the uniforms, and the uniforms
(00:58):
kind of distracted us from whoever won the m I
still don't know what team the MVP played for, who
it actually is, because you needed to go like, oh,
he plays for the I don't really know. We'll dive
into that one as it comes, but I do want
to react to something else that's been on TV. It's
Hard Knocks off season, which has been great because the
(01:18):
Giants have probably told us a little bit too much, right.
The Giants have been oversharers with this stuff. Joel Shane
is their general manager, and in the previous Hard Knocks
he had a conversation with Saquon Barkley saying, we're gonna
let you play the market, and then he wanted Saquon
(01:40):
Barkley to come back to him and tell him what
the market was. Okay, when they were trying to learn
what the market actually is and found out what the
market actually is, well, then they ended up being really
essentially a million dollars short of where the Eagles were.
But I thought this was this is this is the
(02:01):
part that everybody is reacting to. This is Joel Shane
and John Marraw, who's of course the owner of the
New York Giants, in terms of updating what they know
and when they knew it with their star running.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Back, what's the latest? I just got a text that
Chicago's driving the price up and Phillies out.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Which I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
If I'll make a couple of calls. I don't even
know if that's gonna gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But I have a tough time sleep and if Siquand
goes to Philade the outside of that, as I've told you,
just being up, I haven't been around enough players, but
he's the most popular player we have by far.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Uh, he's the most popular player we have by far.
And apparently he's not gonna be sleeping well because yeah,
I mean, by now we all know he is in
fact going to be a Philadelphia Eagle. And when what's
interesting about that one is that there's a lot going
on here. I know people think that this is dysfunction.
(03:08):
I've heard that before. I think Cowherd said that earlier today.
The reality is, this is function. This is how things work.
When you let somebody play the open market, and you
tell them they can play the open market, and you
ask them to come back. Hey man, we really want
you to come back, and you know, and allow us
(03:30):
to meet whatever the highest bid is. And you know,
really they were right there in the ballpark. But anytime
you do that, you run the risk of losing a player,
you let a guy get out into the open market,
and that's what has a tendency to happen. I just
I love it. I think this is really really how
(03:52):
it works. And I honestly think the mistake was as
much the Giant says it was, Saquon. You have all
of that positive equity playing with the New York Giants,
and you threw it all out the window for what
for a million dollars, Which I mean again, in the
(04:12):
reality is had you simply gone to John Merra and said,
we're a million off. If you make me whole, I
will stay. I'll be a Giant forever. Had you done
those things, this would be a rap. We always blame
the organization, but why is organization to blame when the
(04:33):
numbers are essentially the same. There was no like seismic
gap between the two teams. Now a seismic gap, And yeah,
Joel Shane sitting there going I just got a message.
It felt a little hackish, it did, but that's again,
honestly the way it works, because no matter what Saquon's
(04:57):
agent or Saquon tells you, the fact is you don't
you can't necessarily trust it. Or take it at face value.
You have to ask all different sources. It came off
as weird, It came off as a little bit you know,
it came off as a little inexperienced. But when he
(05:17):
tells the guy, hey, we want you to give us
a shot to match whatever you get, and then they're
within a million dollars and didn't feel like they got
a chance to match. This to me, feels like Saquon
was in his own feelings, whether it was over last
year when they had the running backs get together, or
however it was handled this year, but the Giants weren't
far off the numbers again, essentially the exact same numbers,
(05:44):
and whatever the total is, if it's a million dollars,
if you can't go to John Merrow, who admits that
you're most popular player and doesn't want you to go
to the Giants, if you don't have the balls, pick
up the phone and go, hey, man, listen, I've loved
playing for you. I want to be a giant. You
said you want to be a bit of a giant.
We're off by a million dollars. Can you get me
(06:04):
a million five? If you can do that, I'll be
a giant. For life. And this is in many ways
the same conversation you know I'll have at the end
of the season with my players, You know those guys
in college sports. You can be a free agent just
about any year, But do you want to hand over
the sweat equity you have, especially when you're Saquon Barkley
(06:28):
a beloved member of the New York Giants. I mean,
think about Tiki Barber isn't necessarily even beloved, and look
at his post career career, and at least a good
portion of it is because he was a New York
Giant for life. He was a really good player, and
he went through his own time when he was a malcontent.
(06:50):
He went through his own time where he struggled with
the organization, but because of his tie to the organization,
he's forever a Giant. You go to the Philadelphi Eagles
and you're dead to the Giants. You just are. You're
dead to Giant fans. You can't put the lipstick back
in the tube after that one. There's lots of teams
(07:11):
you can go to. There's a difference in financial value.
You can go and seek if you're ten million dollars apart,
everybody's gonna go I totally understand if you're one million
dollar apart. And most of the details of the deals,
if you've looked at them, are exactly the same. Well
now it changes very much, and all this information is
(07:31):
readily available. You know, Saquon Barkley is playing for the Eagles,
and yes, John Marra is gonna lose sleep at night.
And Joel Shane did look a little bit new at
this sort of negotiation. He wouldn't appear as strong as
I think many people would like him. But the reality
(07:52):
is Saquon easily could be a giant today making a
little bit more money than he's making. But he never
pushed the envelope. And I'm sure at least a portion
of it is the bitterness in I can't believe the
hoops I had to jump through to get this money
to begin with. Okay, but when out on the free market,
the best deal you could get was the Philadelphia Eagles,
(08:13):
and it's basically the same deal as the New York Giants.
It tells you the Giants weren't fire off. This happens
at a lot of places. It happens in my industry.
I'm guessing it happens in yours. And one of the
challenges for the Giants moving forward is the guys you have.
The guys you have, you know, the most important recruits
(08:34):
you have are the ones on campus. The most important
guys you have are the ones within your facility. You
got to make them feel the love so that if
you're because your first contract offer is always going to
be well short of what they want. No one just
walks in and goes like, hey, what do you want? Oh, great,
We're gonna give you that plus one hundred thousand dollars.
That doesn't happen in real life. In real life, there
is a bottom line. In real life, you have to negotiate.
(08:55):
In the NFL real life, you have a salary cap
and you have to abide by that salary cap. The
Giant's weren't far off. I just I find it really
interesting that no one be for me has pointed out
that Sakwan Barkley said, I don't value my relationship with
the Giants, because if you did, you wouldn't take a
deal that's essentially the same with a little bit more money,
(09:16):
especially when the GM told you, Hey, whatever you get,
come back to us, and we'd like to give a
chance to match.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
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Speaker 2 (09:31):
App Stug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So, Jason, I'm
going to give you credit because I think you kind
of nailed it when we were talking about it. Second
straight day. You've done really well for yourself. You can
come back for a third straight day, which is we're
discussing the Major League Baseball Star Game. And it's interesting.
(09:52):
I was listening to Dan Patrick this morning and he
said it felt like a softball game. Was exactly what
I thought like. I was flipping around last night. My
new neighbors invite us over by me over for dinner
and had dinner, came home, flipped on the All Star
Game and I'm flipping around and I was like, well,
there's the baseball game. There's a baseball game. But I
(10:14):
thought I was watching the you know that home run
derby they have, and then maybe I thought it was
the Future Stars game. It just didn't look like a
Major League baseball Then I heard the voices and I
was like, oh, okay, this is the All Star Game,
and then I settled in and I watched for a
little bit, but I couldn't identify. It's hard enough in
baseball to identify the players. You know. One of the
(10:37):
great things that Fox has always done when they're broadcasting baseball,
and I don't know if people will know this is
Fox is famous for those tight close ups of pitchers
and managers and emotions and people in the people in
the stands as well, And you know, outside of Paul's skins,
like they start throwing up random picture, I'm like, I
(10:57):
don't know who that is. And then they have a
random uniform and I don't know who that is. I
couldn't have been the only one who thought that way.
And it's weird because I realized those uniforms are kind
of cool, right you a blue and the pink ones.
I've seen the hats. They're kind of cool. The problem
is they don't look in any way, in any way
(11:26):
like identifiable Major League Baseball All Star uniforms. Like this
is just overthinking it. And this is just one of
those cases that in life and we're all going to
learn this at some point in time. I said it
with Saquon Barkle maybe this is the theme of the show,
which is Saquon Barkley could make a million dollars more,
and a million dollars is a lot of money, and
(11:49):
people can always go like, well, what about post Texas
post texts a half million dollars in it's probably okay, fine, Like,
ask anybody in the street, would you prefer to make
a million or you know, post tax or not make million.
Everybody's like, I make big a maion, Okay, I mean
so regardless of pre task, post tax, post tax, it's
six hundred thousand dollars. Okay, that's six you know, that's
(12:10):
still a lot more money. But what do you lose
with that money in comparison to what you would have
made had you stayed with the Giants. The same thing
is true with Major League Baseball. Why do they do
these horrendous alternative uniforms that are never worn before and
never worn after. Well because they can sell them in
(12:31):
every the Major League Baseball park in the league and
make a little bit more money. But whatever amount they
make more, even if it is several million dollars and
I can't think it's that much more, whatever amount they
make more, is that worth it? Because I couldn't identify
a single player just watching when they when they showed
(12:54):
all nine players out there in the batter in the
battle's box. There's no way I couldn't identify it. I
couldn't have been the only one. Jay ste you brought
it up, so I guess, I guess you're right there
as well. Right, Like you couldn't identify a single guy, No, I.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Mean I could identify them. You just have to. You
kind of have to strain your eyes a little bit.
It's kind of like during the regular season. This has
been a frustration of mine. Like I have been watching
and following baseball for over four decades, and I know
baseball and I'm passionate about it, and I tune into
(13:33):
like just a regular Wednesday game or I'll be watching
highlights on ESPN, and I can't identify the team based
on their colors, the city connects or whatever, and the
alternatives and everything else frustrate me. Like like an older
baseball fan, I can only imagine, and I'm pay to
(13:53):
follow sports, I can only imagine how frustrated it is
for like a casual baseball fan a two and in
last night and just be like, who are these guys.
Who I mean, that's the frustrating part. I think baseball
is trying to be like the other two most popular sports.
The problem is like people are just much more familiar
(14:14):
with NBA players and the way they look, and football
players as well, even though they're wearing the helmets, they're
just more identifiable. Baseball doesn't have that luxury anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I would agree, Monte, did you like uniforms?
Speaker 7 (14:30):
The uniforms were rough. They're just rough. I think you
hit it right on the money, though. This is trying
too hard. Yeah, clearly you were thinking, you know, we're
gonna sell because we have a new uniform, but I
don't know who's gonna buy this.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I mean, think of all the things. They're trying too hard. Yeah,
I mean, like you remember when Cowherd first came on
to Fox. Do you guys remember when he and it
wasn't It wasn't Colin's idea. Colin has never been a
but somebody g the idea of dyeing his hair like brown,
and it was it was tough to watch people do
(15:06):
that with their teeth where they get those veneers and
it's just trying too hard. It's like, dude, what are
you doing? You know, what are you doing? In many ways?
You know, fake hair guy, whether they get the transplant whatever.
Like a lot of times guys are trying too hard
and look, you can run my fingers. You're like, dude,
(15:26):
it doesn't look it doesn't look real. What are you doing?
You know, people try too hard. I mean La really
is the center of trying too hard. You know, but
you just try too hard to be something you're not.
Your baseball have price stick out your chest, Like what's
cool about baseball? All the different uniforms, all the different stadiums,
all the different hats, Like that's what's cool by baseball? Yeah,
(15:49):
you know baseball. It's like, oh, we've been the same
for one hundred years. Yeah, and you know what, Fine,
lean into who you are. Don't try and be something different.
It was as if it was as if Tron had
a baseball game. I almost was waiting for some sort
of glowing the dark ball and it was just too much.
(16:10):
And for me, who I've become a casual baseball fan.
I love baseball. I've been this, you know, I've been
an Angel game this year, Dodger game this year, and
I've been to several Brewers games as well, like I'm
I'm not Jason, I'm not Monsey, but like baseball, but dude,
I couldn't tell you who anybody is because they're not
identifiable without a uniform, you know. I mean, yeah, I
(16:31):
know who Aaron Judges, and yeah I know Paul Skens is,
and yeah, I know who some of these guys are.
But and we played this game there, She's like, who
the hell's the angel when Mike Troust's on the All
Star Game right, Like, you can't identify them at least?
If what's the purpose, by the way, of having a
guy from every team, If we don't know who that
guy from your team is? I do what I understand.
(16:54):
That's somebody who goes they're in a meeting and somebody
tells the commissioner, hey, we got some new uniforms. Let's
see him. And somebody says, like, you know, guys, I
don't know. Yeah, I don't know either, but you know what,
we can make five million dollars more out of this deal,
Like five million dollars we allways do it. Meanwhile, what
you lose is equity to their fans, identifiability with your fans,
(17:18):
and kind of any sort of history and lore just
felt like a swing and miss last night. Let's get
to Monci Belogio's find out what else going on? Monce.
What do you got?
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Real quick? Still on this All Star Game, I was driving,
so I was listening to it on the radio, and
I laughed so hard because everybody was waiting for Paul
Skiings to face Aaron Judge. And then he hit into
a double play and it was over. One pitch hit
it to the third basement double play and it was over.
(17:50):
And I was like, Wow, we were waiting for this
moment and it was over in fifteen seconds and it
didn't get any better. I feel like it was just like, oh,
there was a good boy hits. It was everything I heard.
It's just seemed very very and just like the uniforms, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Baseball, that's fas Jeffrankcour joins just of course MLB analysts
from big league outfielders. Of course, who doesn't remember when
he came up with the Braves and was unbelievable from
the from the jump. Uh, he's with pure athlete. We'll
talk to him about what that's about. The meantime, he
joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. So wait, who's the golf coach that you're
(18:28):
related to?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Lee Ranky Man the women's and men's golf coach up there.
So I've actually got to look at you know, I'm
I'm a I'm a fan man, So I'll be pumped
up to follow y'all this year. First off, congratulations to
you too, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
We're gonna get you to a game.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Oh absolutely, come up, man, And uh, you know I've
been a huge fan obviously yours, your show, but to
have you there, and I know, you know, my uncle
has done a great job with the with the golf
program up there and having a lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, he's he's as you know, he's worked through some
health stuff so we have him. But he's a he's
a fighter, and he's an awesome dude. And I see
him just about just about every day. Jeffrancour joins just
as a former Big leaguer. What'd you think of the
uniforms last night?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Oh my god, they were hideous. I mean hideous. And
you know what's weird is like you know, a lot
of times with where you're at, they try to make it,
you know, be part of what it is. But I
just thought, you know, Texas, you know, you always hear
everybody does it bigger in Texas, and I just thought
they would have had something. I mean, those were tough
to look at.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Man, why not just have the regular uniforms. I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I missed those days. I agree, I missed the days
where the players wore their uniforms. Everybody knows what leagues
are in, you know. I mean, it's not like it's
a it's a big issue. I think it's cool and
they do it like the National League jerseys. It literally
looked like the Marlins. It looked like it was like
the All Star Game was in Miami or something. But
it's just very confusing.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know what that's about. There's somebody,
somebody told them they can make a little bit more
money doing it, and I just don't think there's any
there is an amount where it's enough to go like, okay,
that makes sense. I don't think there's enough of those
jerseys sold to where it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You know, you don't think. But then again, I say
I didn't like it, and there's my year old son.
Those things are awesome, you know, like, what the heck
do I know?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, although did he go to you and say can
I order one?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, he did not say that, you're right, And even
if he did, I tell him, Sorry, Bud, you have
a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Jeffrancore is
our is our guest, Okay, let's do our My producer
is one of the biggest Dodger fans on Earth, and
they have an obvious need for pitching. So, but you
have this ridiculous lineup with ridiculous talent. If you're the Dodgers,
(20:52):
what do you do as you're not a lock to
make the postseason but you're essentially a lot? What do
you do in terms of your staff?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I tell you what, Dolly, it's incredible. You know. Me
and Brian Anderson, who I know is a buddy yours too.
We did the Dodger Phillies two weeks ago and we
sat in David Roberts' office and it's unbelievable when Dave
sits there and Docks is going through, well, we're not
going to have him. We're not going to have him.
We're not going to have him, and this kind of
comes down to, right, like what we saw for them
from the playoffs last year, Just like the Braves have
(21:21):
all this offense, but you didn't have the starting pitching
to go on the postseason. And when you're going up
against the Phillies and your faith and Zach Wheeler your
face and Aaron Nola your face and rangers are you
have to have arms out there.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I think, look, Glass now is going to be fine.
I mean his is more. I think, you know, a
little break, just get back. But the fact of the
matter is, you know, you got other guys that you
just don't know. And as good as that lineup is
and as many runs as they score, you know as
well as I do. When you face as Zach Wheeler,
you have to have someone on the other side that
can keep you in that ballgame too, to give you
(21:54):
a chance to capitalize with some big hits, with different things.
And you know that. I mean, I've said it from there.
They have to make sure when they go in October
they have three starters that can go and can can
go deep into games. If they do that, they have
every chance in the world, especially when Mookie comes back
to win that World Series. But if you don't know
(22:15):
who your Game two or Game three starter is, Man,
it's to me, it's so tough to run the gauntlet
now in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. You mentioned
Brian Anderson. He also covers the Brewers. I got a
chance to spend some time with them, and they are
another team just massive injuries to their pitching staff, but
they've been able to do it. You know, they do
it with a completely different financial scale. It does feel
like it's starting to catch up with them, right Like
(22:43):
Freddie Peralta was mashed by the Nationals. He seems to
be running on a little bit of fumes. Can they
keep this going despite how depleted they've been by injury?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Well, I think, Look, I think you make a great point.
I think the biggest answer is going to be is
anybody vision good enough to run down or to keep
it going? But I would worry more for them, Like
you get to the postseason, you know that's a tough thing.
It's one thing to get there, but who are the
teams that can really get over the hump? And look,
I even said this last year. You know we did
the NLCS and watching the Diamondbacks. Yes, they did not
(23:14):
have a great offense. They didn't, but they had three
legit starters and they had three guys in the bulltime
that were lockdown guys, and that can take you, you know,
all the way to the World Series, like it did.
Now they caught Texas who was really hot. But that's
going to be the thing. Man, you have to have
arms in the postseason. I just you know, I'm an
offensive guy. I love it. But I also grew up
(23:36):
a Brave fan here in the nineties and had the
Mattic Smulti Glaven days where it's like that was the
recipe to you know, run off all those division titles.
And so that's that's the Milwaukee got to add at
the deadline with arms. Their offense is fine, Yeah, let's contrail.
They got plenty of firepower to me to be opportunistic,
(23:58):
but they need an arm or too.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Obviously, Braves are in position for a wild card, but
as far as the division, they're a good eight and
a half back of the Phillies. How would you characterize
the Braves to date?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
You know, I told someone this the other day. Everybody
said they were the greatest team in baseball last year,
and look offensively, they were incredible last year. The years
that guys put up. Ronald Akunya obviously the MVP, but
they got to Game three of the postseason against the
Phillies and they didn't know who their starter was going
to be. And so I think if you saw the
three all starts for the Braves is they're three aces
(24:32):
Ronaldo Lopez, Chris sal and Max Free. And if those
three are healthy going in the postseason, I think you
saw what Philly's done the last two years. With three
healthy starters, you can do that. So yeah, obviously you
lose Spencer Strider, you lose a Kunya. You was two
of the probably what top ten players in the league.
It's tough to replicate that. But if you have those
three starters, then you feel like with the offense they have,
(24:55):
and Riley and Olsen and all these, you know you're
gonna have a Zuno with the year he's had, You're
gonna have enough to do some So that's why I
said again, you know, the Brave and Dodgers for for
the last one four or five years now have been
the class of the National League. But too many times
they both those teams have gone in the postseason and
they haven't had the pitching to be able to withstand it.
(25:17):
And because of that, you've seen the last two years,
Man one and two both years and they both lost
in that you know DS round. So arms is where
it's at.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Arms is where it's at. I'm looking at the Orioles
and you know, best team in the American League. And
and there's Craig Kimberle at the back end of that bullpen.
Now look, I just you've seen him with the Braves, Jason,
You've seen him with the uh with with the Dodgers.
He's been doing this for a long time. We're creeping
up on I think your you're fourteen in the in
(25:49):
the Bigs. How confident are you that come October Craig
Kimble can deliver and get him out, get get get
four outs or get three outs when they need it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, look, the Greig Kimberl I knew when he was
in Atlanta was a whole different story. I mean, that
guy was one hundred. He was that was the top
of his game. But I think he even saw it
last year at Philly. I mean, if you remember that
was Game four there, or started Game three in Arizona
when he blew it and then it happened. They ended
up bringing him in like what the seventh or eighth
inning in Game five, and I don't know if he
(26:22):
ever pitched again in a meaningful spot. And you know,
I think Craig Kimberle has such great stuff and he's
been so good for so long. I just think it's
one of those things to me, you have to have
another guy to help protect that, right, Like if it
gets October and he's starting to get tired, you're starting
to see that velocity dip down. You I think you're
just a lot quicker to pull the trigger, right, And
(26:43):
I think that's going to be the key. That's where
I look with the Oriols too. They've given the Yankees
everything they've wanted this year from an standpoint, the same
deal with them. Are they going to have enough pitching
to be able to go deep? Because this is where
you really I know people all the time in baseball,
The next two weeks in August is where you find
out if teams have deep enough fishing, because the innings
(27:04):
are starting to add up. Guys are starting to pitch
in one hundred degree you know, heat all the time.
If you don't have depth, now it will show and
you will start to see teams kind of fall back,
and you will see a few teams do that. It's
just a matter who it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay, Jeffryan Cours our guest here and the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Pure Athlete is a platform
and a podcast that empowers parents, coaches the next generation
of athletes. How does it work?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Man, It's awesome. We've been doing it for two years now,
about start a third. We've had anywhere from Davos Sweeney
to you know, Misty mad Trainer. We've had Jamal Crawford
just a couple of weeks, Jay Billis. We've had a
lot of these athletes and coaches that my whole thing is, man, Right,
I got four kids and I'm in the middle of
coaching them doing this and am I competitive? Absolutely? Do
(27:53):
I want to win? Absolutely? But for me, it's more,
you know, at the eight, nine, ten, eleven year old ages,
these parents that are forcing these kids to do so
many things, you know, three hour practices, you got to play,
you gotta play, you know, And I always hear Geno Ari,
I'm gonna talk about this all the time, and I'm
sure you're a big believer. Is the lost art of practice, right,
(28:13):
the lost started of going out there and learning how
to play, learning how to prepare to play. You know,
I get sports is a billion use. Sports is billions
and billions of dollar business. But my whole thing is
like we're trying to give a platform to parents to
come to, for coaches to come to and kind of say, hey,
there's ways to do this without having to spend thousands
(28:34):
and thousands of dollars to travel everywhere, thousands of dollars
of private lessons. You know what's funny, we had Jamal
Crawford on and you know basketball, you know, the best
ball hander of our time. I mean, he's incredible, and
he was saying, you know how where I learned that?
Not in a private lesson, not in a practice. I
learned that in my backyard, playing with my buddies and
doing different things.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So that's that's and and look, I would you shome
on my basketball pod. I'll come on your pod. But
I agree and I disagree, And here's why I agree
that playing in tournaments all the time is not the best.
When you don't practice is not the best idea. I mean,
the biggest thing is they don't actually know how to practice,
(29:14):
haven't actually been pushed really hard, and they haven't been
taught the why, not just to what. Right. But the
other part to it is they do need to play.
They just need to, Like I don't want to call
it free play, like we obviously in basketball it's pickup ball.
Like nobody in baseball, and I don't know if baseball
they've ever played, you know, since the fifties and sixties
sand lot baseball. But in basketball, like the only way
(29:35):
you really learn how to play basketball is by playing basketball,
you know. And so like when we do our workouts
and practice, we play five on five why because they
don't play enough. So yes, you have to learn the
why and not just to what, but you also have
to play so you understand the nuances of time, scores, situations, spacing,
(29:56):
and everything's different when there's a game and there's some
sort of score. So it's a fa fascinating fasting idea.
How can somebody get more information, Well.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
They can go on to Pure Athletes Inc. I NC
dot com and go Like I said, we've had podcasts, man,
we've had mental health experts nutritionists and really kind of
the final thing I'll say that's really good on there too,
is that all the athletes we've had on there, man,
growing up were multi sport athletes. And I'm not saying
all the way to their senior of high school, but
(30:26):
they weren't ten years old just playing one sport year round.
And we we have tons of evidence with injury stuff
and all that on there. So I think it's just
a great thing. We love having dialogue. We've had, like
I said, some great athletes to talk about their journeys
and now that they have kids, how they're kind of
raising them because as I said, you know this, Ja
Billis told us ninety six point two percent of people
(30:47):
are done after high school, so it's kind of what
do you want how to use sports for your kids.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
That's a great point, a great, great point. Jeff, you're
the best man. I appreciate you join us. Let's look
word to chatting on each other's podcast on this radio
show in the very near future.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I would love to man appreciate it again. Congrats man,
looking forward to for you all.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right, Jeff, Jeff Rankcorps just just the just the newest
member of Phoenix Nation that's all it is. We're gonna
I think we should do the nation thing. Even though
I'm dead set against everybody saying they have a nation,
I'm going to contradict myself and say Phoenix Nation.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdaycent three pm Eastern noon Pacific. Be sure
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Speaker 2 (31:34):
S Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I's coming to
you from the Tyrack dot Com studios. All right dot com?
What we get there? M m m, So we have
(31:56):
a midway coming up. And before we get to that midway, Jace,
do I just want to make sure we're clear here. Okay.
I loved your midway topic, but it was kind of
kind of expansive, right, kind of expansive. We were going
to talk about sports movies. But how are we going
to just talk about sports movies? That was the midway
topic you want to get to?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Yeah, No, I figured we would hammer out the specifics
when we got there. But this is I think this
is the time of year. This is it.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
This is the time of year, when we do that,
let's just talk about sports movies.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
No games on the schedule. There aren't a lot of
good topics today. So I think this was when we
just break down and do the cliched movies.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I would rather do the movies than talk about Brandon
Ayuk exactly.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
And we have a movie buff. We have a guy
who does a podcast about movies in the building, so
I wanted to take advantage of that expertise.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I love that. We'll get to that after we get
the game time.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
This is game time, the Doug gott Leab Show.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
What's the game today? Monton?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Well, it is Wednesday? So what are we playing?
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Ryan?
Speaker 5 (33:07):
For better or worse?
Speaker 7 (33:09):
Yeah, A, you're gonna tell me. I'm gonna give you options.
Are you gonna tell me which ones better? Which one
might be worse? All right, let's start. The USA men's
basketball team has improved to three and zero in all
of these pre Olympic matchups. But for better or worse,
this US Olympic basketball team or the field, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Gonna take our US men's national team.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah, you like what you see?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I love it, But I do think like EMBIID hasn't
been great. Seems like he's playing his way into shape,
and I think he'll get better and better. And the
thing that this group has, which some previous ones had
is they do have a lot of age and experience.
And like again, in the NBA, Lebron can't guard anybody
(33:58):
because he can't move anymore. He just doesn't have the
energy to move anymore. I get it. In FIBA basketball,
he can because there's less movement needed. You kind of
grab and hold more. Yeah. And that's across the board.
So I like this US Olympic basketball team ahead of
the field.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
All right, all right, Well, the one hundred and fifty
second Open Championships starts tomorrow, So Doug for better or
worse the Open Championship or Wimbledon. That's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Wimbledon. Yeah, I'm
gonna go Wimbledon. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
I think so too.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Have any of you guys ever done the strawberries and
cream to watch on a on a Sunday?
Speaker 7 (34:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh my gosh, like you should do it, Monci.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
This sounds amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now. I like Wimbledon, especially because the early start times,
like you can get up early in West Coast time
and watch the Wimbledon vinyl and then just have a
day to go around a doocetop. Yeah, I kind of
like it. I just, you know, the British Open with
(35:10):
the golf, it's so different and can be so windy
and it's such a different I don't know, I just
I like I like Wimbledon better.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I think I'm with you.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Yeah, I like that they were all white and I
just yeah, yeah, it's classy, classy, not that the Open isn't,
but yeah, I think I'm gonna take Wimbledon. Okay, So
ESPN pulled a bunch of NFL gms and scouts, So
this is where this question comes from.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Okay, for better or.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Worse, Tyree Kill or Justin Jefferson. Now I can tell
you who they pulled and they got is the best receiver.
It was actually Justin Jefferson that they got in their
poll that Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the NFL.
Tyree Kill a second.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, I just think Tyreek Kill every time he gets
the ball, he can take it to the house. Yeah. Yeah,
if he gets the ball, he's got probably a better
wide receiver. Huh uh huh, but Tyreek Hill, you know
you can hand the ball on jet steps. I think
he's better there. I think he's better on kick return.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I just think that the other things he brings to
you that justin Jefferson again in term of the technic
technical aspects of being a wide receiver, maybe blocking as well,
justin eversonbody be better. But all around, I think Tyreek
Hill just has this the cheetah speed. Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
Yeah, you can't deny it.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Did the NFL gms did? Were they asked to take
into account the number of babies out of wed walk
or is this purely a NFL like on.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
The floor, It's a real question. Can you talk about
Tyreek Hill without going like he has how many kids?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Right?
Speaker 7 (36:48):
I don't know how many? Does he have?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Twelve?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Thought it was twelve twelve that they've identified, twelve that
they've identified. Rude? Rude?
Speaker 7 (36:58):
Okay, last one here, real quick for better is hard
knocks off season or hard knocks in season?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think hard knocks off season?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Really?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah? Oh, I'm really interested by it. I watch it.
I love it. Okay, I feel like hard Knocks in
season has been watered down because other team teams have
their own hard knocks. Yeah, teams have the own knocks.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
All right, this is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
I don't know anybody who doesn't quote movies, let alone
sports movies. So I don't know. We're gonna do quotes
or we're gonna do ranking, we're gonna do ones that
we don't like, or we do worst actual sport played
into sports movies. But we're gonna figure out some way
to kill time and talk sports movies. We'll do that
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