July 29, 2024 • 49 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Live from Bears' Training Camp in Lake Forest, Illinois, Doug gives his take on Team USA's game against Serbia in the first round of the Olympics.
Doug and the crew share what they loved and hated most from the weekend in this edition of "Love and Hate".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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hallis Hall Hallish, of course, is the home of the Bears.
They do their training camp on site. It is really
a cool facility. Right when you pull up, you're like
in a gigantic When I say office park, you if
you've ever been to on the North shore of Chicago,
you have these massive, massive corporations, these massive, massive office parks.
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Then you drive on to the end of the office
park and you see this beautiful facility with the fields
and everything, and it's been pouring rain all morning. So well, anyway,
now at just after two o'clock local time, they're breaking
into some meetings and we'll grab some of the bears
and some of the coaching staff hopefully throughout the show,
or you'll hear it on the podcast, which is available.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
As soon as this show is over.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
In the meantime, let's get to the topic of the day,
which just so happens to be the topic d Jore,
which is.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
What you have.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Look, there's lots of things I can't advise you on.
I can't if you call me, you say, Doug, you know,
should I go with ETFs or should I go with
my brokers pushing me on ETFs, who are like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
The wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm the wrong guy. I just am Book of the
Month Club. Don't ask me, you know. I need to
get back to spending some time reading a book before
I go to bed every night, right But it's been
all audio books. And I got to tell you right now,
I'm just trying. I got two jobs, and I'm trying
to do both both of them very well. There's lots
(02:18):
of things I can't tell you, but coaching in FOBA
competition with twelve players, all of whom deserve on some
level to play. You got the guy, and I listened,
and I have no problem with our Fox Sports radio brethren.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Not all of them.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Really know what they're talking about, but at least the
spirit of what they're getting to make sense. I listen
to some other or watch some other networks and I'm like,
these clowns don't get anything. So couple things here. One
that's a good win to beat Serbia. You may not
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think so because you may look at them and go,
they got Yo Kitchen, a bunch of guys with ditch
at the end of their name, and we should beat
them every time.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, but it's the.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Fourth ranked team in the world, Yo Kitchen. When he
was on the court his plus minus zero, it was
actually an even game. But he can't play all forty
and that's when we had a when he's off the court,
a twenty six point advantage. But somehow there's this absolute
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nonsense about Deja Davim to be playing. Why did we
have an issue at the position that he plays. He's
a wing, right, he's like a two, three, maybe a four.
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So let's get to just the realities of ten people.
And you'll hear from Steve Kerr talk about it. But
there's forty minutes in a game. That's two hundred minutes
per play, two hundred minutes total. Twelve players, you got
two hundred minutes. So if you again, if you divide
up evenly two hundred minutes by ten players, you get
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twenty minutes a piece.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's half of the game. Now try and do it
with twelve.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And yeah, you look at and you're like, hey, first
team All NBA last three years, like he should be
on it. But should he have played instead of Kevin Durant, No,
should he have played instead of Lebron James. No, Anthony
Edwards looks like he's bought into his role. He's got
a little bit more juice, got a little better play
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without in the basketball. Should he played more than Anthony
Edwards or played you're taking any of Anthony Edwards minutes?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So where, pray tell, would you have him play where
it's not a guard? Okay, he's not a guard and
he's not a five and oh yeah, by the way,
if you're gonna play that wing. That means you have
to guard Jokisch and other players when they post up,
which is not what he does. He is a scorer
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and he has to have the ball in his hands,
and he's not used to not being a secondary or
even tertiary option. Doesn't play well that way. This is
an efficiency game. There's fewer possessions, fewer opportunities, possessions matter more.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's not a great fit for.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Him in comparison to Kevin Durant Lebron James, who though
older long than the tooth, but they know how to
play better in Phoebus rules basketball because they played it more.
And in regards to putting him in like in the
fourth quarter, like, all right, what's more embarrassing to not
play a guy or to play in the last five
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minutes in a blowout?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's not really that hard.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Don't play the guy lasts fives in the block. Most
those guys will go like, I'm good, because you're gonna
sit there for an hour and a half and then
get in for your last fifteen minutes and your body
doesn't cooperate when you're abused to playing starters minutes. You're
allowed to bitch, you're allowed to Covetch. You're allowed to
complain if we lose let alone the game is close.
(06:21):
It wasn't. I thought Steve Curry had great fuel for
the game. Who to play, how to play him, and
how to use him like Steph Curry is the greatest
shooter in the history of the sport. He hit two
gigantic threes yesterday. But he's kind of a hard guy
to fit in on that in that game because he
can't guard at all on when they get him on
a switch, and because you can can kind of control
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him some with hand checking. He doesn't get nearly as
many good looks as he does when he's playing stateside.
So they turned him into a screener. They turned him
into a guy who just plays out the ball. He
took up a couple of crazy shots. He made him.
We move on. But you have so many people speaking
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about things that they they don't even want to comprehend.
And this, by the way, is why Jaylen Brown's not
on the team, Because if you don't play him, now
is he gonna bitch?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now is he gonna get play?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And now he's he gonna say, Well, it's because of Nike,
or because of something else, or you can just go, Hey,
you haven't heard word from Jason Tatum. He's got to
be fine with it. This is the deal. He'll play
in the next game. Here's Steve Kerr offering up an
explanation for not playing Tatum.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's tough, but Jason handled it really well. I talked
to him today before the game that they may play
out this way, just with Kevin coming back and the
lineups that I wanted to get to, but that'll change.
You know, Jason's gonna play. Every game is going to
be different based on matchups. He's a total pro. He's
you know, first team All NBA three years in a row.
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I felt like an idiot not playing him, But you know,
forty minutes game, you can't play more than ten, you
really can't. And you know, so I just I think
he's He's an amazing guy, great player, and handled it beautifully,
and you know he'll be back out there next game.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, So here's what we're gonna do for now on.
We're not talking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Now because we're giving air to something that doesn't deserve
to have air. We'll play one more SoundBite because this
is Kendrick Perkins. And again I like Kendrick Smart. People
can say dumb stuff. This is dumb stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's a positionless spoil when you talk about the game
of basketball, when you talk about a guy like Jason Tatum,
he's not nailed down to one position. Jason Tatum is
a versatile player, meaning if you want him to play
the point, he could play the point. If you want
him to play the two, he could play the two.
If you want him to play the wing, the three,
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to four, to five, whatever you want him to play.
He's six ' nine versatile package on both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The last time.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
The team USA won to go, Kevin Durant was the
best flap. You know, it was the second best flip.
It was Jason Tatum. My thing is, if you're Steve okay,
if you're Steve Kerk, and Steve Kerk called out all
his accolades and with this man has accomplished, you know
what Jason Tatum is going to bring to the table.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
You do not.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Disrespect him and embarrass him the way that you did.
Because in this world today, we live in the world
of social media, we can't run from it, we can't
hide from it. It's right there in front of our face,
and no where in here you're going to tell me
that Jason Tatum wasn't embarrassed the brand of looking on
social media or hearing about it. Because at the end
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of the day, yes, we should be talking more about
Kevin Durant, Yes we should be talking more about Lebron
James after what they did last night. But you know
what was the real topic of the game, Jason Tatum
with a DMP. My thing is if you asking me
who he's gonna replace, he's gonna replace Derick White in
a game that's not a it's a positionless game.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Because Kendrick Gerkis doesn't know anything about gouting basketball nothing.
He just said that because social media thinks we should
have played Jason Tatum, you should have played Jason Damm.
Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Does
anybody have any idea how dumb that sounds? Social media?
(10:28):
We can't escape from social media, so you had to
play him because you had to play Dereck White. The
reason Derek White played is the exact same reason Jason
TATM doesn't play anyways, is why he should play him
at the point guard position. Just tell me I don't
know anything about coaching basketball or international basketball.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And then we can.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Just fast forward through what you're going to say, fast
forward to what you're gonna say. Listen, start with this
as the premise. Okay, it is a different sport. It
is a different sport. That's why the Assis, the South Sudanese,
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that's why the Serbians and players who are marginal at
best NBA players, why they can compete with some of
the world's best because it's a different sport. It's the
rules are different, it's officiated different, everything is different. Okay,
So you can take all your accolades and you can
shove them where the sun doesn't shine because they don't
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mean anything. Jamian Lillard was borderline unplayable in the last Olympics,
and Damian Lillard was it three four years ago. Was
a great NBA player, but he can't because he can't
guard anybody, and they just posted him up and going
one on one off the dribble doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yes, Derek White, in comparison to Jason Tatum in an
NBA game, Jason Tatum is gonna make three hundred million
dollars because he can go and get buckets but but
Derek White was a huge reason they won the game
because he actually can guard mold positions Jason Tatum cannot.
Derek White can play without the basketball. They don't need
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anybody to go one on one. We don't need you
going one on one to get your own shot, to
shoot contested midties.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
We don't need that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Go back and look at when Kevin Durant and all
the buckets he scored d in the game in the
first half, when he had twenty one points and then
miss a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I believe only.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
One was off the dribble. I think all the rest
were catch and shoot. So Kendrick Perkins admits that because
social media, Like dude, social media is a very small
percentage of people and it doesn't matter. And then he said,
you know, we should be talking about you, damn right,
so do your damn job. What we should be talking
about is Kevin Durant hadn't played in a month.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He'd clearly been getting ready.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He knows himself, and when given the opportunity, he jumps
up and shoots a basically a perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Game and ends up winning the game.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
He was the difference and try and find a way
to play around Embi because he hadn't been very good.
He's played himself into shape. But embiid is the one
big body you need. Because Jason tam can't guard Nicola
Jokic on a switch, Lebron James can at least marginally.
He can guard post ups a lot better, as we saw,
because you can be super physical. The only person who
thought Jason Tatum was the second best player in the
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Olympic team the last time round is Kendrick Perkins. Or
maybe Jason Tatum, like Steve Curry, is not an idiot.
He just coached to a win, and instead we're asking
about a guy who didn't play why he played ten
guys work beautifully. Next game he'll play and somebody else
come out of the rotation because you can't play twelve guys.
(13:40):
Stop saying stupid stuff over and over again because it
feels good to social media. People who are on social
media commenting on it are on it for a reason
because they don't have a microphone in front of them,
or they don't coach, they don't play. And by the way,
most people you see commenting, very few of them are coaches,
and almost none of them are coaches that have coach
at the international competition. Why do I say that because
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I've actually done it. The game goes really really fast,
and it's hard to find a rhythm for your substitution
for getting guys in, getting guys out, and you don't
want to screw something up. And I'm sure and you
heard Steve Kerr he said I talked to Jason before
the game and.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Said this could happen.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's actually called being a professional. That's not embarrassing him,
being lacking a professional class is telling him he's going
to play, then not playing him or throwing him in
the last two minutes of the game. I'm sure he
went to him and he's like, look, if Katie's playing well,
I'm gonna play him.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
If he's not, be stay ready.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And then once he was playing well and they're not big,
I'm sure he either asked him or asked him before
the game, do you want me to play in the
last five minutes He's like, no, I'm good, I'll sit
and wait for the next game. And again, this is
why it's not for everybody USA basssketball playing on a
twelve man team when they play real basketball, when you
really have to defend, when you really have to move
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to basketball when it's gonna be really physical, when the
officials are gonna call bizarre stuff, you have to be
all in on Hey, I might not play. If not,
don't pick up the phone and don't bitch and givetch.
This is why Jalen Brown's not on the team, because
most people think he couldn't handle if he didn't play,
Because if he didn't play, he'd be calling out Nike racism,
any the statements that it could be taken as anti American,
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which they're not statements by him.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You can't play twelve. I know I've done it. Hey,
I coached. It's called it's like the Jewish Olympics. In
the last two finals, I played ten guys. I couldn't
get the other two in. I just couldn't do it.
I tried, I wanted to, and I tried. I played
a backup point guard at the start of the fourth
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quarter to two tournaments ago, and it went from like
a twenty point lead to like a seven point lead,
eight point lead, And he can't do anything wrong. It's
just completely change the rhythm. And he hadn't played in
the game. It's just too hard to do and all
the criticism you receive by not playing Jason Tatum. You
know what you don't get. You don't get the three
times the criticism if you lose that game, because hey,
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I got everybody in nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Just play to win. Just play a win.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Too many guys have never coached a day in their life,
or never been in an international competition, or had don't
understand what a real what this is really about. The
Only thing that matters is that they come home with
gold and they won by twenty six points.
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every Monday. We like to get everyone's kind of thoughts
and joys and anger points. Tuggar warning triggers from the
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weekend a little love and hate by playing love and hate?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What did you love? God? I love you?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
These?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Claire Hayes, Okay, what'd you love for the weekend? What
you hape for the weekend?
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You want to start with prefet Is that what I heard?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Let's let's start with Chris Huh Yeah, let's start with
Chris Prophett.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Oh wow, this is a rare one. Yeah. My father
and I have been with the Olympics. He got me
into Olympics. He's been to every one of them since
Munich except for Moscow. I've been to Atlanta and Sydney.
I love the Olympics. I the ceremony to start was fantastic. Uh,
the idea of putting everything on the Sene River was
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very inspired. I love the performance of Celine Dion, and
I just I love the Olympics. I don't know what
else to say. It is a great thing if you
are just exploring new sports. It's not something where I
feel like every sport is something you really get into
over and over for a long period of time. But
it as someone I can tell you when I was
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in city, it was perfect. You'd go there, watch a
sport for two hours, go watch something else, and it's great.
It's great to meet all these other people from all
these other countries. I had an old German Man explain
handball to me very passionately. And seeing the scenes out
of Paris have been fantastic so far. I know it's
a slow start for the Americans in the metal count
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but it's great. I love the Olympics, especially the Selene
Dion performance, given that she's been battling this like rare
degenerative disease and she comes out as a surprise at
the end, singing passionately.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
It was it was beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Okay, didn't know that was whatere you're gonna love on
the weekend, Let's go to Dan Bayer.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Dan.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
I know this may be very, very general, but I
love that it just wasn't as hot in southern California
as it has been like it it, I dug And
I know that you've relocated, but you were out here
a little while.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I hot, especially where you live it can get out
in the sun.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
Yes, and it was it has been, but this past
weekend it just dropped like ten degrees and it was
it was great. I think that wherever you live, like
there's just you can you can tolerate with whatever, but
even just a little bit helps.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Guess what humidity's down?
Speaker 9 (20:33):
A little bit down twenty percent makes a lot of difference,
right that ninety percent humidity one hundred percent humidity is
tough stuff. Seventy to eighty percent. All right, we'll deal
with it when it would just drop ten percent on
you because we were don't have to deal with humidity. Ninety
ninety five a lot better than one oh five. And
I know Phoenix and other places are rolling their eyes,
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but yeah, I was just glad to cool down a
little bit, so able to have a nice, enjoyable day
outside where you weren't completely scorched. Yeah, it was real good.
So just a little bit of a temperature change was
a welcome relief for us in southern California.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
Chase Do The reason why I wanted Chris Purfet to
go first because I wanted the listeners to hear his
passion about the Olympics. And I think I think Profet's
like his opinion about the Olympics is a popular opinion.
I think a lot of people like the Olympics. So
what I loved about my weekend was not watching the Olympics.
I love not I love not having to follow all
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this stuff along. I had to pay attention to the
Team USA game because they're all NBA players, and if
you go on ESPN dot com that's basically I take
their lead that you have to cover that team because
we talked about these names year round. But I spent
most of my TV viewing Bandwidth starting Showgun, a series
(21:56):
ONLU so good. It is amazing, I reckon for anybody.
I think historically it's gotten me into googling a lot
of the stuff about Portugal and Japan and all this stuff,
and it's so well executed. I very much recommend showguns.
So if you too are in that thing where you're
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trying to decide between Olympics or something else, if you
do something else, showgun is a great option.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay, I'll tell you what I loved about the weekend was.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
My nephew, Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It was in town and he's a gigantic football fan.
And Friday night we went to the like I said,
the Arena Football League semi finals with a blizzard, got
to win. So Saturday, I was like, are you gonna
go down and see the packer practice? And we got
there early enough. You know, they practice at ten thirty
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and the players start to ride the bikes at like nine.
And look, it's like I said, to start, I know,
Jordan Love only rides a bike, like you know, one
day in camp and the rest A lot of times
it's some no name guys. But I mean, is there
anything more American apple pie in the NFL where so
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many things have termed corporate?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And I mean training camps now are so different than
when we start in this business. Dan and Jason. Now
you go back twenty years ago. And remember Dan Snyder
was the first one to charge people for training camps.
But you know, so oftentimes they were at these small
colleges in the middle of nowhere, you know. And was
a Corey stringer who died from the two days and
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the heat. He had the heat stroke. So a lot
of things have changed, but this one is just like,
it's the same as it's been. It's the same as
I had seen on TV for years where you know,
kid gives a guy a bike and then he runs
alongside the bike as the player pedals up and then
they all then they all park the bikes and wait
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for the guy. Same guy rides the same bike home.
It's so cool. It just it doesn't take a lot
to extend a little bit of love to community and
connect with the community, and the Packers players just nail
it with this tradition. All right, Let's get to what
we hated from the weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What'd you hate? Profet O Jay?
Speaker 8 (24:22):
So I might be double dipping into a topic we
hit on the podcast, but going.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Back, you don't have to apologize, guys before every if
you hate it, you.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Say I hate it.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I genuinely hate the response to that same opening ceremony
from a certain subset of people who tried to call
this satanic. First, people misunderstood what was supposed to be.
They call it like a mockery, the Last Supper, it spoilered.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
It's not. It's about the Greek.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
God dion isis some painting over there and Dignysis, the
Greek god of debauchery and drinking of a very famous
French painting. And then we had a heavy metal band
much like the music you're you're hearing here, and it's
it's not a satanic metal band.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
I know the band.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
It's Gojira. They sing about saving the whales. They are
the most hippie metal band you can find. But they
play one show there like talking about the history of
the French Revolution in a reenact with the history of
the French Revolution and the decapitation of the of the
royalty over there. And suddenly everyone is calling the Olympic
satanic and demanding that you boycott the Olympics because it's
(25:26):
part of some sort of global satanic conspiracy. I'm sorry,
I think we've lost the plot. We were supposed to have.
This sheared reality dumb. We are dumb, but dumb. It
feels like not enough people call these people dumb. It's
like that we give too much airtime to these people
for being dumb and that we have to amuse them.
(25:47):
And I'm just I'm done amusing them at this point.
I'm beyond done amusing them. Like this is ridiculous. You
are grasping at so many straws. You sound like Alex Jones,
like stop stop, stop stop.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I agree, I totally agree on this. Well, Donnie, Well, then.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
My next yeah, oh yes, sorry. I know that Jason
is probably going to piggyback on this. I don't want
to steal his do you know, let's piggyback's okay in it?
Because he tweeted something I hated that. I watched a
four hour documentary about Pete Rose and still couldn't find
(26:33):
a reason to really like or embrace him, Like at
every turn he ruins the ending and in any situation
where you're just trying to get some goodwill or something,
it just it was a great documentary done on HBO.
It was really really good. Each episode well done, focusing
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on different parts in his life. But there was at
no point where I just felt like, yeah, just put
him in the Hall of Fame, like it'll be a
feel good moment every single time. And here's the thing,
it was nobody else's fault. He is the one that
ruined it. At every single turn, he ruins it. And
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that's what I hated about it. I loved the documentary
even though I hated the outcome of watching it.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I thought it was just so well done and.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Maybe because of what Pete offered in those interviews, but
my goodness, yeah, I hated that I couldn't get a
reason to be sentimental and want Pete Rose in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Were you listening when Jason and I were discussing this,
like an hour before the show.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
No.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
I saw Jason's tweet about it, and I was about
I was through three episodes and I watched the final
one last night.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's crazy, though we both came to the exact same conclusion.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Is that fair, Jason?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Well, I know I did. I watched it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, we became the exact same conclusion.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
I'm on the same conclusion too. Yeah, it's I think
it's just amazing.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
Like I thought, I knew a lot about Pete Rose
and a lot about his story, and you know, a
host that used to work here had tweeted out that
let's enough, already let the guy in. He's one of
the greatest players that have ever played the game. It's
like this has never been about what he did on
the field. No one's going to argue his his stats
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and what he put on the field, and he was
a winner. We argue the fact that he gambled on baseball.
And by the way, him saying I only bet on
the Reds, that's all that's been proven. And who's going
to believe a word this guy says? The one major takeaway, well,
there's two. He's completely unredeemable as a human. He's so unlikable.
(28:49):
And then you walk away thinking why would we believe
that he just bet on the Reds. He claims that
that's not a bad thing. Why why should we even
believe that? I mean, well, the other.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Other part too. It here's what people don't understand.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, if you only bet on the Reds, and you
only do it seventy five times or one hundred times, whatever,
so the people who take your bets when you're not
calling in, they know to bet against the Reds, right sure?
And oh yeah, by the way, you know you're gonna
load up and do everything you can, because at that
time he was a player manager. People forget Peter Rows
(29:24):
when he first got caught betting on baseball, got caught
was he was a player manager. So you're gonna do
everything in your power, screw up your rotation, your bullpen, whatever,
just to win that game. And you wouldn't do that
in normal on sixty two game season, some games you
just go like, we ain't got it, let's just make
it a bullpen game. Let's keep it, you know, or
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or let's just throw out a position player out there,
you know, to keep the bullpen fresh or whatever. So one,
it makes it much easier to bet against them two
and then the other part too, it is he's never
admitted to doing He's never been actually, truly honest.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
I don't think that he's been contrite at any pever ever.
And like if you were to say thirty year ban,
like if that was the band handed down by Bart Giamatti,
I think we would be like, WHOA, that's a lot,
Like that is that is quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
And now we're past that point.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
And while there may be people that feel that he
should be in, Pete Rose has done nothing except feel
that he was wronged by this, and that's I mean,
that's pretty obvious throughout the whole thing, and I think
that's maybe one of Jason's point as well. But like I,
I think that the the punishment is probably pretty sufficient.
And to those who are saying like he's served his time,
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they actually may be right, but he has done nothing
to take one step towards admitting his wrong things aside
from saying sorry. And now what he's doing is he
said that is I'm sorry. I bet on baseball autographs
are the most popular ones, so he continues to sign
those like it's it's just like, man, you know, like,
how am I supposed to help you if you can't
(31:01):
help yourself.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
He's just an unlikable character. And I think the thing
I took away to is just how tired I am
of keeping to hearing about this thing about Pete Rose.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
It feels like it's been my entire life.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you, guys, I think this
was the last shot.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I really, I really think, because because so many times
there had been that we should do it, and then
every time you get close, Pete does something, you know,
doing the autographs across the street from the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
He's never been honest, he's always been been kind of
creepy and weird with some of the stuff. Remember he
had the deal with the underage girl that was a
couple of years.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
Ago, which by the way, they did not shy away
from in the documentary, which I was glad. I wondered
if it was just going to be a baseball one,
but they they addressed that head on, and even some
of his comments about that were just I don't even
know what you could say.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
I was actually only six, she was sixteen, yeah, which
I guess in Kentucky or Cincinnati, the same thing, that
the age of sixteen not eighteen over Yeah, still not helping,
and that he was in his thirties.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
And then he said then he switched to like, well,
I thought I only dated eighteen year olds, and then
he said, I'm sure there's twenty eight thirty year olds
here who are dating eighteen year olds. And then they
just let the camera sit and it just it's soaked
in of like there probably aren't. There probably aren't. But
for some reason in his world he was able to
(32:24):
normalize it and justify.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It so so here here's why I said, Like the
thing about documentaries are they're so powerful, so powerful that
people they won't read. No one reads the Dowd Report.
And again the Peter Rose thing is actually near and
dear to me because my first radio partner, guy I
really look up to. His name's Chuck Wilson, and Chuck
(32:47):
taught me about the business. And Chuck was the aficionado
at ESPN Radio on the Dowd Report, and he's like,
it's so much more damning than anybody could ever know.
And had he had something called the Chuck Waggoning brought
in which his files and files and files for every show.
Guy was unbelievably prepared. But the Doubt Report was ridiculous. Anyway,
nobody's gonna review that, nobody's gonna look at that. What
(33:09):
this was the this will live in eternity as the defining.
He had his chance to show any sort of what
was the word, do you say, a contrition? Any sort
of condition.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
There was none.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Any sort of falling, you know, falling before the court
and just saying I'm a change man. None, none, just
complete defiance and inability to read the room, to understand baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
How he's viewed anything.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Here's a good I think this was the last one
because Nowe's gonna do another Pedrose documentary. There's not gonna
be any more stories about him. He's getting close to dying,
like at some point, getting closer and closer to getting
old senior citizen now, Like I think this is it.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
Another commentary on him as a person is that Joe
Morgan was the person that went back to bat to
him for him the most with current Hall of Famers,
with the museum, with Major League Baseball, Joe Morgan was
his biggest advocate when he was living. Former teammate Joe
Morgan dies, Joe Morgan's wife never hears from Pete. Then
(34:20):
they do a ceremony at at a Reds game and
a bunch of the old Reds teammates of Joe's Morgan's
is there. Pete shows up in the like through the
back door and goes into another suite and watches the game.
Just a complete jerk as a person.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yep, uh, Jay Stu, don't you have do you have
the what you hate?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Yeah? That entire last five minutes.
Speaker 9 (34:45):
Yeah, we piggyback to remember because I didn't want to
scale his I ended up kind of going first.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I just I despise this conversation by Jason Tatum. I
despise it. I think we show we show why athletes
are so selfish and entitled. We show why athletes are
so selfish and entitled. The only thing that matters is
(35:13):
the outcome and final score of a team sport. It's
the only thing that matters. Nothing else matters. And if
you're a fourteen point favorite, you win by twenty six
points and a guy has a near flawless game, one
of the all time greats in the history of the
sport has a near flawless game. Why are we talking
about anything else but because And honestly, I fault people
(35:38):
like ESPN for hiring Kendrick Perkins, who has no awareness
of this, and at Fox for like we make it
out like Jason Tatum was somehow defamed. This is the
problem with the NBA. This is why nobody likes you.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
He as a league.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
This league is so talented and there's so many good
people in it. But what happens is this is the
perception of how all NBA players are that they just
I got it. It's got to be me, Like, no,
it's not team won by twenty six. That's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It really doesn't matter. Like you've already got your money.
You get to get a gold medal. This is why
the team is selected as it is. It's a very
tricky one. And I love the fact that, you know,
I saw tweets in the first half of Steve Curry's
not doing anything and he doesn't like that's not true.
He adjusted and he used rotations, he used substitutions and
(36:38):
groups that worked. Lebron James wasn't great. Steph Curry he
took out really really early along with Joel Embid. Steph
Curry wasn't super effective at all. And when they had
a lineup of you know, when they had Derek White
in there, he was awesome. He's really good. And you
get people who don't know anything about actual sports who
(36:59):
covers who exposed themselves as such, well, can you name
me something who is There's a woman who works at
CBS Sports who's like, can you tell me something that
Derek White does better? It doesn't matter. I mean, I
could tell you he's a better defensive player, that he
moves the ball. He doesn't need to driple the ball
every time, he gets it, but it doesn't matter. You
(37:20):
know what matters is the team plays better with him
in period stop. And you know, if if Jason Tatum
was to the point where he was ahead of Kevin
Urant and Anthony Edwards and Lebron James based upon practice
and their scrimmages, then he would have played more. So
(37:42):
I don't know what to tell you, but the fact
that we're talking about a guy who didn't play when
the team looks great wins by twenty six had to
be challenged early on the first half, in the first quarter.
We've just lost our way as people. We have created
the most selfish and un entitled athletes. And the reason
they're selfish and they're entitled is people like Kendrick Perkins,
(38:05):
who instead of going hey, I don't care what social
media says, they won by twenty six. Kevin Durant was awesome.
That's what we talked about. He gives into talking about
it and we all feel it compelled to.
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Williams upcoming. But Jordan loves first practice. You know, he
only rides the bike. You know they do the bike rides.
They only does that once a year, and he just
so happened to kind of it was a great little
victory lap. Right Friday night, there was an arena league game,
a team called the Blizzard from an arena football league.
They won in the semi finals. That play the championship
game also in Green Bay on August first, and so
(40:17):
it was it broke on everyone's phone and during the
second quarter we're at the game and everyone was.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Stirring in reaction.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
He is beloved to a level that I think you
could probably only find Aaron Rodgers in his prime Brett
Favre in their prime. Obviously those relationships soured some at
the end for both of them, but I do think
it's it was really interesting to see how much you
know here in a kind of blue collar Midwestern city
(40:45):
where costs her low to have the highest paid quarterback
in the history of the sport, and you know a.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Guy's only started for a year.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
You would think there'd be some negativity.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
None.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Then he on the bike ride kind of the victory parade.
I will point out he was not very good in
the scrimmages that day.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Matter of fact bad.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Like one of those looking around going is the ink?
Try there because maybe they could save some money after
this practice. Doug Gotlieb show, Fox Sports Radia. Yeah, you
heard what Dan said about about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
He said he said he wanted to play. That means
he's got to play right. We'll see what Matti Eberflu says.
Matt Ebraflu says, we get ready for the game. Caleb
said this. I've always I always think there's more pros
than cons in anything, especially for a young guy like myself.
(41:38):
The reps are always paramount for anybody like myself, a
young rookie, second year guy, a third year guy, it's paramount.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It's really important.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
We'll see about these preseason games coming how they will
play out.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
My guess is.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Look, guys have played in the preseason, in the in
the Hall of Fame game for years, the starters almost
always played like one series. If they play, and then
they do the in game interview, and I'm with Kayleb
Williams like could he get hurt? Like, yeah, he could
get hurt, But how likely are we?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
And I again, I don't think anyone less will watch
the NFL because of it.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Just we're just being honest.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
The greatest chance the Bears have of people watching them
and cheering for them is Kayleb Williams is their quarterback.
So the risk is any game he's not playing, that
hurts your viability financially. You know, you're trying to build
a new stadium, You're trying to build up this hype.
But in trying to do it, don't you want to
wet the appetite of the fan? Or does it not matter?
(42:51):
Jay stud Does it matter to you or do you
want to wet the ippetite of the fan and see
Kayleb Williams throw coupballs?
Speaker 10 (43:01):
No, it doesn't matter one bit to me. I think
that there's a I think Kleb Williams is playing to
the fan base here. I think he knows he's not
going to play, but he's going to make it sound
like he would really like to be out there.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
No question that part. I understand. Bayer.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Do you think like if you were if you were
Ebraflus or becomes he's like, what do you think we
throw out there for a series or two?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
What do you do? Well?
Speaker 9 (43:27):
If I'm Ebraflus, I don't play them. But I mean,
if it's my team, I don't want them to play
this game. But if I'm the NFL and everybody else, yeah, absolutely.
If I'm the TV networks, for sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I mean I I even think as Ebraflus, like I
want to play, Like just what are we doing?
Speaker 9 (43:48):
They're one of two teams with four preseason games, so
you have that opportunity just because they're playing this extra game.
So it's not like there's only the three. They actually
do have four games to play, so it's not like
you're losing anything by him not playing. You'd be on
the same path as everybody else. But I don't know
(44:08):
the game, but you're not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
We're not gonna play him the fourth game, right, Like
everybody knows that, right, So you're gonna play him some
in parts of two or maybe three games. So the
question becomes like, is it a number of snaps and
putting him out there in harm's way? Is it because
we're so early in the season they think there may
be some dysfunctional within the offensive line that they'll miss
(44:30):
a block. Like I guess my question is why is
it okay to play him week two in a preseason
and not Week zero or week one in the preseason.
Speaker 9 (44:40):
I would say because the rest of the people around
you have the reps of a game at least at
least they've got that under their belt. There are people
who will argue that say you can you can protect
a quarterback in a preseason game. So how the Chiefs
play Patrick Mahomes? And other teams choose not to, and
there's a lot of easy stuff to do. I just
(45:00):
don't know. If it's game I would love to see
him as a football fan, But if I'm the head
coach of the Bears, I'm thinking, how do I just
make sure that we get him fully prepared and ready
for Week one? And I would rather have the guys
around him having a week of reps and game reps
at least in the season then just throwing them out
there and having a fresh start for everyone.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, I can tell you that leading up to and
again this is part of it, is you're talking to people,
you're just meeting them, and in leading up to doing
this broadcast from the Bears training camp, there is a
quiet sort of confidence there right Like the feeling was
that last year adding sweat, you know, with the trade
(45:43):
with the Washington Commanders, that they feel like they got
their close on their defense and if they had any
sort of viability offensively, which it's gotten better, and they've
added all this talent, adding swift as they're running back.
You know, we've talked about some of their wide receivers
help like there's a there's a thought there that this
(46:03):
like it's not crazy to think they could make a
push towards the playoffs. That's the thought I thought they were.
Their personnel was bad last year when I saw him
against the Chargers, but then they did progressively get better
after the trade.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
And so I guess the question is, like what are
your goals?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
You know, because I I hear what you're saying in
terms of what's really the reward in throwing him out there?
But if I'm the Bears. This has got to be
a season where they start to make some headway.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
They are.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
The stadium thing is a real thing, right. You got
to create a passion there to get people to to
support using their tax money to build one of these
buildings either near here or in Arlington or or downtowner.
It appears like it's going to go like you got
to create some energy there, some positivity. On the other hand,
you got to measure yourself.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I just.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I under stand what you're saying, Dan, where maybe the
offensive line or your running backs in terms of pass
protection protecting him, they're not sharp because they don't have
game reps. But I would also say that wouldn't that
be the same for defense. On the other hand, what
people would say is okay, yeah, but you'll get like
somebody misses a block or miss an assignment, you get
a free run at Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
I just I think this that.
Speaker 9 (47:22):
And there was a new story that Eberflu said that
Caleb Williams is going to play in preseason games, and
I'm like, well, yeah, he should, but you were given
a bonus. So to your point, if they're not going
to play the last preseason game. So if that's for
every other team in the NFL, so then you would
have two games to be able to play well then,
while why would Caleb Williams If the Bears were on
(47:45):
a normal schedule, then to your point, Caleb Williams should
play in all three games. But if we're I just
think he needs to get two games in and go
from there. And in that scenario of him just playing
this opener, I think you're much more dangerous and open
to to something happening than if you were to just
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let everybody kind of break themselves in get ready. Heck,
I don't even know how much you know, maybe countering
my point of how much the Bears would have their
own starters in against in the Hall of Fame game,
well again, I would.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Just say I would just say that I think I
agree that he's playing two games. But to me, like
you let him get a little bit of the jitters out,
You let him, you know, like you can predetermine the plays,
Like you get up there, hand the ball off, you know,
you let one rip deep, you're throwing over the middle,
and if you keep going for the first down, you
just keep like throwing the ball a little bit getting
(48:43):
rid of it, and then you're done and then takes
this ELM a short pat you got the We all
know there's expressions. I'm not sure how appropriate they are
in terms of getting that kind of top that burn layer,
if you will, from when you first you know, when
you first go in suntan for the summer, get your
burn layer, and then you know, week two, now now
we're gonna do a quarter or two quarters, and then
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week the third preseason game, now we're gonna do half
the game, and the fourth one will probably shut you down.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
But I would just I would use it for the.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
First series to just get some of the jitters out
and to kind of celebrate that you get the number
one pick.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
But I agree, he's probably not gonna play.
Speaker 9 (49:20):
Yeah, And I don't have a problem with that, Like
I just of three snaps. But I'm just I'm talking
from if you're Matt Eberflus and what you need to
do to protect him.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
So it's a hard call, right because you gotta win
games with him? Are you more like to win games?
And more reps he gets, But the more reps he gets,
the more you put him in harm's way. If he
gets in harms, win and he gets hurt. Now, everybody's
gonna get fired if he misses games.
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Then you drive on to the end of the office
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and everything, and it's been pouring rain all morning. So well, anyway,
now at just after two o'clock local time, they're breaking
into some meetings and we'll grab some of the bears
and some of the coaching staff hopefully throughout the show,
or you'll hear it on the podcast, which is available.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
As soon as this show is over.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
In the meantime, let's get to the topic of the day,
which just so happens to be the topic d Jore,
which is.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
What you have.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Look, there's lots of things I can't advise you on.
I can't if you call me, you say, Doug, you know,
should I go with ETFs or should I go with
my brokers pushing me on ETFs, who are like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
The wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm the wrong guy. I just am Book of the
Month Club. Don't ask me, you know. I need to
get back to spending some time reading a book before
I go to bed every night, right But it's been
all audio books. And I got to tell you right now,
I'm just trying. I got two jobs, and I'm trying
to do both both of them very well. There's lots
(02:18):
of things I can't tell you, but coaching in FOBA
competition with twelve players, all of whom deserve on some
level to play. You got the guy, and I listened,
and I have no problem with our Fox Sports radio brethren.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Not all of them.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Really know what they're talking about, but at least the
spirit of what they're getting to make sense. I listen
to some other or watch some other networks and I'm like,
these clowns don't get anything. So couple things here. One
that's a good win to beat Serbia. You may not
(03:00):
think so because you may look at them and go,
they got Yo Kitchen, a bunch of guys with ditch
at the end of their name, and we should beat
them every time.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Okay, but it's the.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Fourth ranked team in the world, Yo Kitchen. When he
was on the court his plus minus zero, it was
actually an even game. But he can't play all forty
and that's when we had a when he's off the court,
a twenty six point advantage. But somehow there's this absolute
(03:31):
nonsense about Deja Davim to be playing. Why did we
have an issue at the position that he plays. He's
a wing, right, he's like a two, three, maybe a four.
(03:51):
So let's get to just the realities of ten people.
And you'll hear from Steve Kerr talk about it. But
there's forty minutes in a game. That's two hundred minutes
per play, two hundred minutes total. Twelve players, you got
two hundred minutes. So if you again, if you divide
up evenly two hundred minutes by ten players, you get
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twenty minutes a piece.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That's half of the game. Now try and do it
with twelve.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And yeah, you look at and you're like, hey, first
team All NBA last three years, like he should be
on it. But should he have played instead of Kevin Durant, No,
should he have played instead of Lebron James. No, Anthony
Edwards looks like he's bought into his role. He's got
a little bit more juice, got a little better play
(04:44):
without in the basketball. Should he played more than Anthony
Edwards or played you're taking any of Anthony Edwards minutes?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So where, pray tell, would you have him play where
it's not a guard? Okay, he's not a guard and
he's not a five and oh yeah, by the way,
if you're gonna play that wing. That means you have
to guard Jokisch and other players when they post up,
which is not what he does. He is a scorer
(05:17):
and he has to have the ball in his hands,
and he's not used to not being a secondary or
even tertiary option. Doesn't play well that way. This is
an efficiency game. There's fewer possessions, fewer opportunities, possessions matter more.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's not a great fit for.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Him in comparison to Kevin Durant Lebron James, who though
older long than the tooth, but they know how to
play better in Phoebus rules basketball because they played it more.
And in regards to putting him in like in the
fourth quarter, like, all right, what's more embarrassing to not
play a guy or to play in the last five
(05:56):
minutes in a blowout?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's not really that hard.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Don't play the guy lasts fives in the block. Most
those guys will go like, I'm good, because you're gonna
sit there for an hour and a half and then
get in for your last fifteen minutes and your body
doesn't cooperate when you're abused to playing starters minutes. You're
allowed to bitch, you're allowed to Covetch. You're allowed to
complain if we lose let alone the game is close.
(06:21):
It wasn't. I thought Steve Curry had great fuel for
the game. Who to play, how to play him, and
how to use him like Steph Curry is the greatest
shooter in the history of the sport. He hit two
gigantic threes yesterday. But he's kind of a hard guy
to fit in on that in that game because he
can't guard at all on when they get him on
a switch, and because you can can kind of control
(06:45):
him some with hand checking. He doesn't get nearly as
many good looks as he does when he's playing stateside.
So they turned him into a screener. They turned him
into a guy who just plays out the ball. He
took up a couple of crazy shots. He made him.
We move on. But you have so many people speaking
(07:06):
about things that they they don't even want to comprehend.
And this, by the way, is why Jaylen Brown's not
on the team, Because if you don't play him, now
is he gonna bitch?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now is he gonna get play?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And now he's he gonna say, Well, it's because of Nike,
or because of something else, or you can just go, Hey,
you haven't heard word from Jason Tatum. He's got to
be fine with it. This is the deal. He'll play
in the next game. Here's Steve Kerr offering up an
explanation for not playing Tatum.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
It's tough, but Jason handled it really well. I talked
to him today before the game that they may play
out this way, just with Kevin coming back and the
lineups that I wanted to get to, but that'll change.
You know, Jason's gonna play. Every game is going to
be different based on matchups. He's a total pro. He's
you know, first team All NBA three years in a row.
(07:56):
I felt like an idiot not playing him, But you know,
forty minutes game, you can't play more than ten, you
really can't. And you know, so I just I think
he's He's an amazing guy, great player, and handled it beautifully,
and you know he'll be back out there next game.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, So here's what we're gonna do for now on.
We're not talking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Now because we're giving air to something that doesn't deserve
to have air. We'll play one more SoundBite because this
is Kendrick Perkins. And again I like Kendrick Smart. People
can say dumb stuff. This is dumb stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's a positionless spoil when you talk about the game
of basketball, when you talk about a guy like Jason Tatum,
he's not nailed down to one position. Jason Tatum is
a versatile player, meaning if you want him to play
the point, he could play the point. If you want
him to play the two, he could play the two.
If you want him to play the wing, the three,
(08:55):
to four, to five, whatever you want him to play.
He's six ' nine versatile package on both ends of
the floor.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The last time.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
The team USA won to go, Kevin Durant was the
best flap. You know, it was the second best flip.
It was Jason Tatum. My thing is, if you're Steve okay,
if you're Steve Kerk, and Steve Kerk called out all
his accolades and with this man has accomplished, you know
what Jason Tatum is going to bring to the table.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
You do not.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Disrespect him and embarrass him the way that you did.
Because in this world today, we live in the world
of social media, we can't run from it, we can't
hide from it. It's right there in front of our face,
and no where in here you're going to tell me
that Jason Tatum wasn't embarrassed the brand of looking on
social media or hearing about it. Because at the end
(09:47):
of the day, yes, we should be talking more about
Kevin Durant, Yes we should be talking more about Lebron
James after what they did last night. But you know
what was the real topic of the game, Jason Tatum
with a DMP. My thing is if you asking me
who he's gonna replace, he's gonna replace Derick White in
a game that's not a it's a positionless game.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Because Kendrick Gerkis doesn't know anything about gouting basketball nothing.
He just said that because social media thinks we should
have played Jason Tatum, you should have played Jason Damm.
Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Does
anybody have any idea how dumb that sounds? Social media?
(10:28):
We can't escape from social media, so you had to
play him because you had to play Dereck White. The
reason Derek White played is the exact same reason Jason
TATM doesn't play anyways, is why he should play him
at the point guard position. Just tell me I don't
know anything about coaching basketball or international basketball.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And then we can.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Just fast forward through what you're going to say, fast
forward to what you're gonna say. Listen, start with this
as the premise. Okay, it is a different sport. It
is a different sport. That's why the Assis, the South Sudanese,
(11:06):
that's why the Serbians and players who are marginal at
best NBA players, why they can compete with some of
the world's best because it's a different sport. It's the
rules are different, it's officiated different, everything is different. Okay,
So you can take all your accolades and you can
shove them where the sun doesn't shine because they don't
(11:28):
mean anything. Jamian Lillard was borderline unplayable in the last Olympics,
and Damian Lillard was it three four years ago. Was
a great NBA player, but he can't because he can't
guard anybody, and they just posted him up and going
one on one off the dribble doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yes, Derek White, in comparison to Jason Tatum in an
NBA game, Jason Tatum is gonna make three hundred million
dollars because he can go and get buckets but but
Derek White was a huge reason they won the game
because he actually can guard mold positions Jason Tatum cannot.
Derek White can play without the basketball. They don't need
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anybody to go one on one. We don't need you
going one on one to get your own shot, to
shoot contested midties.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
We don't need that.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Go back and look at when Kevin Durant and all
the buckets he scored d in the game in the
first half, when he had twenty one points and then
miss a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I believe only.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
One was off the dribble. I think all the rest
were catch and shoot. So Kendrick Perkins admits that because
social media, Like dude, social media is a very small
percentage of people and it doesn't matter. And then he said,
you know, we should be talking about you, damn right,
so do your damn job. What we should be talking
about is Kevin Durant hadn't played in a month.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He'd clearly been getting ready.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He knows himself, and when given the opportunity, he jumps
up and shoots a basically a perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Game and ends up winning the game.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
He was the difference and try and find a way
to play around Embi because he hadn't been very good.
He's played himself into shape. But embiid is the one
big body you need. Because Jason tam can't guard Nicola
Jokic on a switch, Lebron James can at least marginally.
He can guard post ups a lot better, as we saw,
because you can be super physical. The only person who
thought Jason Tatum was the second best player in the
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Olympic team the last time round is Kendrick Perkins. Or
maybe Jason Tatum, like Steve Curry, is not an idiot.
He just coached to a win, and instead we're asking
about a guy who didn't play why he played ten
guys work beautifully. Next game he'll play and somebody else
come out of the rotation because you can't play twelve guys.
(13:40):
Stop saying stupid stuff over and over again because it
feels good to social media. People who are on social
media commenting on it are on it for a reason
because they don't have a microphone in front of them,
or they don't coach, they don't play. And by the way,
most people you see commenting, very few of them are coaches,
and almost none of them are coaches that have coach
at the international competition. Why do I say that because
(14:04):
I've actually done it. The game goes really really fast,
and it's hard to find a rhythm for your substitution
for getting guys in, getting guys out, and you don't
want to screw something up. And I'm sure and you
heard Steve Kerr he said I talked to Jason before
the game and.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Said this could happen.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's actually called being a professional. That's not embarrassing him,
being lacking a professional class is telling him he's going
to play, then not playing him or throwing him in
the last two minutes of the game. I'm sure he
went to him and he's like, look, if Katie's playing well,
I'm gonna play him.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
If he's not, be stay ready.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And then once he was playing well and they're not big,
I'm sure he either asked him or asked him before
the game, do you want me to play in the
last five minutes He's like, no, I'm good, I'll sit
and wait for the next game. And again, this is
why it's not for everybody USA basssketball playing on a
twelve man team when they play real basketball, when you
really have to defend, when you really have to move
(15:05):
to basketball when it's gonna be really physical, when the
officials are gonna call bizarre stuff, you have to be
all in on Hey, I might not play. If not,
don't pick up the phone and don't bitch and givetch.
This is why Jalen Brown's not on the team, because
most people think he couldn't handle if he didn't play,
Because if he didn't play, he'd be calling out Nike racism,
any the statements that it could be taken as anti American,
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which they're not statements by him.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You can't play twelve. I know I've done it. Hey,
I coached. It's called it's like the Jewish Olympics. In
the last two finals, I played ten guys. I couldn't
get the other two in. I just couldn't do it.
I tried, I wanted to, and I tried. I played
a backup point guard at the start of the fourth
(15:54):
quarter to two tournaments ago, and it went from like
a twenty point lead to like a seven point lead,
eight point lead, And he can't do anything wrong. It's
just completely change the rhythm. And he hadn't played in
the game. It's just too hard to do and all
the criticism you receive by not playing Jason Tatum. You
know what you don't get. You don't get the three
times the criticism if you lose that game, because hey,
(16:17):
I got everybody in nobody cares.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Just play to win. Just play a win.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Too many guys have never coached a day in their life,
or never been in an international competition, or had don't
understand what a real what this is really about. The
Only thing that matters is that they come home with
gold and they won by twenty six points.
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every Monday. We like to get everyone's kind of thoughts
and joys and anger points. Tuggar warning triggers from the
(18:01):
weekend a little love and hate by playing love and hate?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What did you love? God? I love you?
Speaker 7 (18:08):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
These?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Claire Hayes, Okay, what'd you love for the weekend? What
you hape for the weekend?
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You want to start with prefet Is that what I heard?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Let's let's start with Chris Huh Yeah, let's start with
Chris Prophett.
Speaker 8 (18:30):
Oh wow, this is a rare one. Yeah. My father
and I have been with the Olympics. He got me
into Olympics. He's been to every one of them since
Munich except for Moscow. I've been to Atlanta and Sydney.
I love the Olympics. I the ceremony to start was fantastic. Uh,
the idea of putting everything on the Sene River was
(18:51):
very inspired. I love the performance of Celine Dion, and
I just I love the Olympics. I don't know what
else to say. It is a great thing if you
are just exploring new sports. It's not something where I
feel like every sport is something you really get into
over and over for a long period of time. But
it as someone I can tell you when I was
(19:12):
in city, it was perfect. You'd go there, watch a
sport for two hours, go watch something else, and it's great.
It's great to meet all these other people from all
these other countries. I had an old German Man explain
handball to me very passionately. And seeing the scenes out
of Paris have been fantastic so far. I know it's
a slow start for the Americans in the metal count
(19:32):
but it's great. I love the Olympics, especially the Selene
Dion performance, given that she's been battling this like rare
degenerative disease and she comes out as a surprise at
the end, singing passionately.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
It was it was beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Okay, didn't know that was whatere you're gonna love on
the weekend, Let's go to Dan Bayer.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Dan.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
I know this may be very, very general, but I
love that it just wasn't as hot in southern California
as it has been like it it, I dug And
I know that you've relocated, but you were out here
a little while.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I hot, especially where you live it can get out
in the sun.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
Yes, and it was it has been, but this past
weekend it just dropped like ten degrees and it was
it was great. I think that wherever you live, like
there's just you can you can tolerate with whatever, but
even just a little bit helps.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Guess what humidity's down?
Speaker 9 (20:33):
A little bit down twenty percent makes a lot of difference,
right that ninety percent humidity one hundred percent humidity is
tough stuff. Seventy to eighty percent. All right, we'll deal
with it when it would just drop ten percent on
you because we were don't have to deal with humidity. Ninety
ninety five a lot better than one oh five. And
I know Phoenix and other places are rolling their eyes,
(20:54):
but yeah, I was just glad to cool down a
little bit, so able to have a nice, enjoyable day
outside where you weren't completely scorched. Yeah, it was real good.
So just a little bit of a temperature change was
a welcome relief for us in southern California.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
Chase Do The reason why I wanted Chris Purfet to
go first because I wanted the listeners to hear his
passion about the Olympics. And I think I think Profet's
like his opinion about the Olympics is a popular opinion.
I think a lot of people like the Olympics. So
what I loved about my weekend was not watching the Olympics.
I love not I love not having to follow all
(21:32):
this stuff along. I had to pay attention to the
Team USA game because they're all NBA players, and if
you go on ESPN dot com that's basically I take
their lead that you have to cover that team because
we talked about these names year round. But I spent
most of my TV viewing Bandwidth starting Showgun, a series
(21:56):
ONLU so good. It is amazing, I reckon for anybody.
I think historically it's gotten me into googling a lot
of the stuff about Portugal and Japan and all this stuff,
and it's so well executed. I very much recommend showguns.
So if you too are in that thing where you're
(22:16):
trying to decide between Olympics or something else, if you
do something else, showgun is a great option.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay, I'll tell you what I loved about the weekend was.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
My nephew, Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It was in town and he's a gigantic football fan.
And Friday night we went to the like I said,
the Arena Football League semi finals with a blizzard, got
to win. So Saturday, I was like, are you gonna
go down and see the packer practice? And we got
there early enough. You know, they practice at ten thirty
(22:52):
and the players start to ride the bikes at like nine.
And look, it's like I said, to start, I know,
Jordan Love only rides a bike, like you know, one
day in camp and the rest A lot of times
it's some no name guys. But I mean, is there
anything more American apple pie in the NFL where so
(23:14):
many things have termed corporate?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And I mean training camps now are so different than
when we start in this business. Dan and Jason. Now
you go back twenty years ago. And remember Dan Snyder
was the first one to charge people for training camps.
But you know, so oftentimes they were at these small
colleges in the middle of nowhere, you know. And was
a Corey stringer who died from the two days and
(23:40):
the heat. He had the heat stroke. So a lot
of things have changed, but this one is just like,
it's the same as it's been. It's the same as
I had seen on TV for years where you know,
kid gives a guy a bike and then he runs
alongside the bike as the player pedals up and then
they all then they all park the bikes and wait
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for the guy. Same guy rides the same bike home.
It's so cool. It just it doesn't take a lot
to extend a little bit of love to community and
connect with the community, and the Packers players just nail
it with this tradition. All right, Let's get to what
we hated from the weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What'd you hate? Profet O Jay?
Speaker 8 (24:22):
So I might be double dipping into a topic we
hit on the podcast, but going.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Back, you don't have to apologize, guys before every if
you hate it, you.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Say I hate it.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I genuinely hate the response to that same opening ceremony
from a certain subset of people who tried to call
this satanic. First, people misunderstood what was supposed to be.
They call it like a mockery, the Last Supper, it spoilered.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
It's not. It's about the Greek.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
God dion isis some painting over there and Dignysis, the
Greek god of debauchery and drinking of a very famous
French painting. And then we had a heavy metal band
much like the music you're you're hearing here, and it's
it's not a satanic metal band.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
I know the band.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
It's Gojira. They sing about saving the whales. They are
the most hippie metal band you can find. But they
play one show there like talking about the history of
the French Revolution in a reenact with the history of
the French Revolution and the decapitation of the of the
royalty over there. And suddenly everyone is calling the Olympic
satanic and demanding that you boycott the Olympics because it's
(25:26):
part of some sort of global satanic conspiracy. I'm sorry,
I think we've lost the plot. We were supposed to have.
This sheared reality dumb. We are dumb, but dumb. It
feels like not enough people call these people dumb. It's
like that we give too much airtime to these people
for being dumb and that we have to amuse them.
(25:47):
And I'm just I'm done amusing them at this point.
I'm beyond done amusing them. Like this is ridiculous. You
are grasping at so many straws. You sound like Alex Jones,
like stop stop, stop stop.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I agree, I totally agree on this. Well, Donnie, Well, then.
Speaker 9 (26:12):
My next yeah, oh yes, sorry. I know that Jason
is probably going to piggyback on this. I don't want
to steal his do you know, let's piggyback's okay in it?
Because he tweeted something I hated that. I watched a
four hour documentary about Pete Rose and still couldn't find
(26:33):
a reason to really like or embrace him, Like at
every turn he ruins the ending and in any situation
where you're just trying to get some goodwill or something,
it just it was a great documentary done on HBO.
It was really really good. Each episode well done, focusing
(26:56):
on different parts in his life. But there was at
no point where I just felt like, yeah, just put
him in the Hall of Fame, like it'll be a
feel good moment every single time. And here's the thing,
it was nobody else's fault. He is the one that
ruined it. At every single turn, he ruins it. And
(27:17):
that's what I hated about it. I loved the documentary
even though I hated the outcome of watching it.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
I thought it was just so well done and.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
Maybe because of what Pete offered in those interviews, but
my goodness, yeah, I hated that I couldn't get a
reason to be sentimental and want Pete Rose in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Were you listening when Jason and I were discussing this,
like an hour before the show.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
No.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
I saw Jason's tweet about it, and I was about
I was through three episodes and I watched the final
one last night.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's crazy, though we both came to the exact same conclusion.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Is that fair, Jason?
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Well, I know I did. I watched it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, we became the exact same conclusion.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
I'm on the same conclusion too. Yeah, it's I think
it's just amazing.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
Like I thought, I knew a lot about Pete Rose
and a lot about his story, and you know, a
host that used to work here had tweeted out that
let's enough, already let the guy in. He's one of
the greatest players that have ever played the game. It's
like this has never been about what he did on
the field. No one's going to argue his his stats
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and what he put on the field, and he was
a winner. We argue the fact that he gambled on baseball.
And by the way, him saying I only bet on
the Reds, that's all that's been proven. And who's going
to believe a word this guy says? The one major takeaway, well,
there's two. He's completely unredeemable as a human. He's so unlikable.
(28:49):
And then you walk away thinking why would we believe
that he just bet on the Reds. He claims that
that's not a bad thing. Why why should we even
believe that? I mean, well, the other.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Other part too. It here's what people don't understand.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, if you only bet on the Reds, and you
only do it seventy five times or one hundred times, whatever,
so the people who take your bets when you're not
calling in, they know to bet against the Reds, right sure?
And oh yeah, by the way, you know you're gonna
load up and do everything you can, because at that
time he was a player manager. People forget Peter Rows
(29:24):
when he first got caught betting on baseball, got caught
was he was a player manager. So you're gonna do
everything in your power, screw up your rotation, your bullpen, whatever,
just to win that game. And you wouldn't do that
in normal on sixty two game season, some games you
just go like, we ain't got it, let's just make
it a bullpen game. Let's keep it, you know, or
(29:45):
or let's just throw out a position player out there,
you know, to keep the bullpen fresh or whatever. So one,
it makes it much easier to bet against them two
and then the other part too, it is he's never
admitted to doing He's never been actually, truly honest.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
I don't think that he's been contrite at any pever ever.
And like if you were to say thirty year ban,
like if that was the band handed down by Bart Giamatti,
I think we would be like, WHOA, that's a lot,
Like that is that is quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
And now we're past that point.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
And while there may be people that feel that he
should be in, Pete Rose has done nothing except feel
that he was wronged by this, and that's I mean,
that's pretty obvious throughout the whole thing, and I think
that's maybe one of Jason's point as well. But like I,
I think that the the punishment is probably pretty sufficient.
And to those who are saying like he's served his time,
(30:39):
they actually may be right, but he has done nothing
to take one step towards admitting his wrong things aside
from saying sorry. And now what he's doing is he
said that is I'm sorry. I bet on baseball autographs
are the most popular ones, so he continues to sign
those like it's it's just like, man, you know, like,
how am I supposed to help you if you can't
(31:01):
help yourself.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
He's just an unlikable character. And I think the thing
I took away to is just how tired I am
of keeping to hearing about this thing about Pete Rose.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
It feels like it's been my entire life.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you, guys, I think this
was the last shot.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I really, I really think, because because so many times
there had been that we should do it, and then
every time you get close, Pete does something, you know,
doing the autographs across the street from the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
He's never been honest, he's always been been kind of
creepy and weird with some of the stuff. Remember he
had the deal with the underage girl that was a
couple of years.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
Ago, which by the way, they did not shy away
from in the documentary, which I was glad. I wondered
if it was just going to be a baseball one,
but they they addressed that head on, and even some
of his comments about that were just I don't even
know what you could say.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
I was actually only six, she was sixteen, yeah, which
I guess in Kentucky or Cincinnati, the same thing, that
the age of sixteen not eighteen over Yeah, still not helping,
and that he was in his thirties.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
And then he said then he switched to like, well,
I thought I only dated eighteen year olds, and then
he said, I'm sure there's twenty eight thirty year olds
here who are dating eighteen year olds. And then they
just let the camera sit and it just it's soaked
in of like there probably aren't. There probably aren't. But
for some reason in his world he was able to
(32:24):
normalize it and justify.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It so so here here's why I said, Like the
thing about documentaries are they're so powerful, so powerful that
people they won't read. No one reads the Dowd Report.
And again the Peter Rose thing is actually near and
dear to me because my first radio partner, guy I
really look up to. His name's Chuck Wilson, and Chuck
(32:47):
taught me about the business. And Chuck was the aficionado
at ESPN Radio on the Dowd Report, and he's like,
it's so much more damning than anybody could ever know.
And had he had something called the Chuck Waggoning brought
in which his files and files and files for every show.
Guy was unbelievably prepared. But the Doubt Report was ridiculous. Anyway,
nobody's gonna review that, nobody's gonna look at that. What
(33:09):
this was the this will live in eternity as the defining.
He had his chance to show any sort of what
was the word, do you say, a contrition? Any sort
of condition.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
There was none.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Any sort of falling, you know, falling before the court
and just saying I'm a change man. None, none, just
complete defiance and inability to read the room, to understand baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
How he's viewed anything.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Here's a good I think this was the last one
because Nowe's gonna do another Pedrose documentary. There's not gonna
be any more stories about him. He's getting close to dying,
like at some point, getting closer and closer to getting
old senior citizen now, Like I think this is it.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
Another commentary on him as a person is that Joe
Morgan was the person that went back to bat to
him for him the most with current Hall of Famers,
with the museum, with Major League Baseball, Joe Morgan was
his biggest advocate when he was living. Former teammate Joe
Morgan dies, Joe Morgan's wife never hears from Pete. Then
(34:20):
they do a ceremony at at a Reds game and
a bunch of the old Reds teammates of Joe's Morgan's
is there. Pete shows up in the like through the
back door and goes into another suite and watches the game.
Just a complete jerk as a person.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yep, uh, Jay Stu, don't you have do you have
the what you hate?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Yeah? That entire last five minutes.
Speaker 9 (34:45):
Yeah, we piggyback to remember because I didn't want to
scale his I ended up kind of going first.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I just I despise this conversation by Jason Tatum. I
despise it. I think we show we show why athletes
are so selfish and entitled. We show why athletes are
so selfish and entitled. The only thing that matters is
(35:13):
the outcome and final score of a team sport. It's
the only thing that matters. Nothing else matters. And if
you're a fourteen point favorite, you win by twenty six
points and a guy has a near flawless game, one
of the all time greats in the history of the
sport has a near flawless game. Why are we talking
about anything else but because And honestly, I fault people
(35:38):
like ESPN for hiring Kendrick Perkins, who has no awareness
of this, and at Fox for like we make it
out like Jason Tatum was somehow defamed. This is the
problem with the NBA. This is why nobody likes you.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
He as a league.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
This league is so talented and there's so many good
people in it. But what happens is this is the
perception of how all NBA players are that they just
I got it. It's got to be me, Like, no,
it's not team won by twenty six. That's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
It really doesn't matter. Like you've already got your money.
You get to get a gold medal. This is why
the team is selected as it is. It's a very
tricky one. And I love the fact that, you know,
I saw tweets in the first half of Steve Curry's
not doing anything and he doesn't like that's not true.
He adjusted and he used rotations, he used substitutions and
(36:38):
groups that worked. Lebron James wasn't great. Steph Curry he
took out really really early along with Joel Embid. Steph
Curry wasn't super effective at all. And when they had
a lineup of you know, when they had Derek White
in there, he was awesome. He's really good. And you
get people who don't know anything about actual sports who
(36:59):
covers who exposed themselves as such, well, can you name
me something who is There's a woman who works at
CBS Sports who's like, can you tell me something that
Derek White does better? It doesn't matter. I mean, I
could tell you he's a better defensive player, that he
moves the ball. He doesn't need to driple the ball
every time, he gets it, but it doesn't matter. You
(37:20):
know what matters is the team plays better with him
in period stop. And you know, if if Jason Tatum
was to the point where he was ahead of Kevin
Urant and Anthony Edwards and Lebron James based upon practice
and their scrimmages, then he would have played more. So
(37:42):
I don't know what to tell you, but the fact
that we're talking about a guy who didn't play when
the team looks great wins by twenty six had to
be challenged early on the first half, in the first quarter.
We've just lost our way as people. We have created
the most selfish and un entitled athletes. And the reason
they're selfish and they're entitled is people like Kendrick Perkins,
(38:05):
who instead of going hey, I don't care what social
media says, they won by twenty six. Kevin Durant was awesome.
That's what we talked about. He gives into talking about
it and we all feel it compelled to.
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Williams upcoming. But Jordan loves first practice. You know, he
only rides the bike. You know they do the bike rides.
They only does that once a year, and he just
so happened to kind of it was a great little
victory lap. Right Friday night, there was an arena league game,
a team called the Blizzard from an arena football league.
They won in the semi finals. That play the championship
game also in Green Bay on August first, and so
(40:17):
it was it broke on everyone's phone and during the
second quarter we're at the game and everyone was.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Stirring in reaction.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
He is beloved to a level that I think you
could probably only find Aaron Rodgers in his prime Brett
Favre in their prime. Obviously those relationships soured some at
the end for both of them, but I do think
it's it was really interesting to see how much you
know here in a kind of blue collar Midwestern city
(40:45):
where costs her low to have the highest paid quarterback
in the history of the sport, and you know a.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Guy's only started for a year.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
You would think there'd be some negativity.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
None.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Then he on the bike ride kind of the victory parade.
I will point out he was not very good in
the scrimmages that day.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Matter of fact bad.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Like one of those looking around going is the ink?
Try there because maybe they could save some money after
this practice. Doug Gotlieb show, Fox Sports Radia. Yeah, you
heard what Dan said about about Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
He said he said he wanted to play. That means
he's got to play right. We'll see what Matti Eberflu says.
Matt Ebraflu says, we get ready for the game. Caleb
said this. I've always I always think there's more pros
than cons in anything, especially for a young guy like myself.
(41:38):
The reps are always paramount for anybody like myself, a
young rookie, second year guy, a third year guy, it's paramount.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
It's really important.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
We'll see about these preseason games coming how they will
play out.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
My guess is.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Look, guys have played in the preseason, in the in
the Hall of Fame game for years, the starters almost
always played like one series. If they play, and then
they do the in game interview, and I'm with Kayleb
Williams like could he get hurt? Like, yeah, he could
get hurt, But how likely are we?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
And I again, I don't think anyone less will watch
the NFL because of it.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Just we're just being honest.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
The greatest chance the Bears have of people watching them
and cheering for them is Kayleb Williams is their quarterback.
So the risk is any game he's not playing, that
hurts your viability financially. You know, you're trying to build
a new stadium, You're trying to build up this hype.
But in trying to do it, don't you want to
wet the appetite of the fan? Or does it not matter?
(42:51):
Jay stud Does it matter to you or do you
want to wet the ippetite of the fan and see
Kayleb Williams throw coupballs?
Speaker 10 (43:01):
No, it doesn't matter one bit to me. I think
that there's a I think Kleb Williams is playing to
the fan base here. I think he knows he's not
going to play, but he's going to make it sound
like he would really like to be out there.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
No question that part. I understand. Bayer.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Do you think like if you were if you were
Ebraflus or becomes he's like, what do you think we
throw out there for a series or two?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
What do you do? Well?
Speaker 9 (43:27):
If I'm Ebraflus, I don't play them. But I mean,
if it's my team, I don't want them to play
this game. But if I'm the NFL and everybody else, yeah, absolutely.
If I'm the TV networks, for sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I mean I I even think as Ebraflus, like I
want to play, Like just what are we doing?
Speaker 9 (43:48):
They're one of two teams with four preseason games, so
you have that opportunity just because they're playing this extra game.
So it's not like there's only the three. They actually
do have four games to play, so it's not like
you're losing anything by him not playing. You'd be on
the same path as everybody else. But I don't know
(44:08):
the game, but you're not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
We're not gonna play him the fourth game, right, Like
everybody knows that, right, So you're gonna play him some
in parts of two or maybe three games. So the
question becomes like, is it a number of snaps and
putting him out there in harm's way? Is it because
we're so early in the season they think there may
be some dysfunctional within the offensive line that they'll miss
(44:30):
a block. Like I guess my question is why is
it okay to play him week two in a preseason
and not Week zero or week one in the preseason.
Speaker 9 (44:40):
I would say because the rest of the people around
you have the reps of a game at least at
least they've got that under their belt. There are people
who will argue that say you can you can protect
a quarterback in a preseason game. So how the Chiefs
play Patrick Mahomes? And other teams choose not to, and
there's a lot of easy stuff to do. I just
(45:00):
don't know. If it's game I would love to see
him as a football fan, But if I'm the head
coach of the Bears, I'm thinking, how do I just
make sure that we get him fully prepared and ready
for Week one? And I would rather have the guys
around him having a week of reps and game reps
at least in the season then just throwing them out
there and having a fresh start for everyone.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, I can tell you that leading up to and
again this is part of it, is you're talking to people,
you're just meeting them, and in leading up to doing
this broadcast from the Bears training camp, there is a
quiet sort of confidence there right Like the feeling was
that last year adding sweat, you know, with the trade
(45:43):
with the Washington Commanders, that they feel like they got
their close on their defense and if they had any
sort of viability offensively, which it's gotten better, and they've
added all this talent, adding swift as they're running back.
You know, we've talked about some of their wide receivers
help like there's a there's a thought there that this
(46:03):
like it's not crazy to think they could make a
push towards the playoffs. That's the thought I thought they were.
Their personnel was bad last year when I saw him
against the Chargers, but then they did progressively get better
after the trade.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
And so I guess the question is, like what are
your goals?
Speaker 1 (46:21):
You know, because I I hear what you're saying in
terms of what's really the reward in throwing him out there?
But if I'm the Bears. This has got to be
a season where they start to make some headway.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
They are.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
The stadium thing is a real thing, right. You got
to create a passion there to get people to to
support using their tax money to build one of these
buildings either near here or in Arlington or or downtowner.
It appears like it's going to go like you got
to create some energy there, some positivity. On the other hand,
you got to measure yourself.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I just.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I under stand what you're saying, Dan, where maybe the
offensive line or your running backs in terms of pass
protection protecting him, they're not sharp because they don't have
game reps. But I would also say that wouldn't that
be the same for defense. On the other hand, what
people would say is okay, yeah, but you'll get like
somebody misses a block or miss an assignment, you get
a free run at Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (47:20):
I just I think this that.
Speaker 9 (47:22):
And there was a new story that Eberflu said that
Caleb Williams is going to play in preseason games, and
I'm like, well, yeah, he should, but you were given
a bonus. So to your point, if they're not going
to play the last preseason game. So if that's for
every other team in the NFL, so then you would
have two games to be able to play well then,
while why would Caleb Williams If the Bears were on
(47:45):
a normal schedule, then to your point, Caleb Williams should
play in all three games. But if we're I just
think he needs to get two games in and go
from there. And in that scenario of him just playing
this opener, I think you're much more dangerous and open
to to something happening than if you were to just
(48:07):
let everybody kind of break themselves in get ready. Heck,
I don't even know how much you know, maybe countering
my point of how much the Bears would have their
own starters in against in the Hall of Fame game,
well again, I would.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Just say I would just say that I think I
agree that he's playing two games. But to me, like
you let him get a little bit of the jitters out,
You let him, you know, like you can predetermine the plays,
Like you get up there, hand the ball off, you know,
you let one rip deep, you're throwing over the middle,
and if you keep going for the first down, you
just keep like throwing the ball a little bit getting
(48:43):
rid of it, and then you're done and then takes
this ELM a short pat you got the We all
know there's expressions. I'm not sure how appropriate they are
in terms of getting that kind of top that burn layer,
if you will, from when you first you know, when
you first go in suntan for the summer, get your
burn layer, and then you know, week two, now now
we're gonna do a quarter or two quarters, and then
(49:05):
week the third preseason game, now we're gonna do half
the game, and the fourth one will probably shut you down.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
But I would just I would use it for the.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
First series to just get some of the jitters out
and to kind of celebrate that you get the number
one pick.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
But I agree, he's probably not gonna play.
Speaker 9 (49:20):
Yeah, And I don't have a problem with that, Like
I just of three snaps. But I'm just I'm talking
from if you're Matt Eberflus and what you need to
do to protect him.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
So it's a hard call, right because you gotta win
games with him? Are you more like to win games?
And more reps he gets, But the more reps he gets,
the more you put him in harm's way. If he
gets in harms, win and he gets hurt. Now, everybody's
gonna get fired if he misses games.
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