July 31, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug expresses his disappointment in Steve Kerr as he gave into the criticism and started Jayson Tatum against South Sudan. Doug riffs about the less-than-interesting trade deadline. Doug reacts to Coach K's proclamation that Kevin Durant is the best US olympic basketball player ever. Doug welcomes FSR MLB Insider Jon Morosi onto the show to breakdown the trade deadline moves. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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watch Team USA rematch against South Sudan, a team they
survived in a friendly. They are a twenty nine point favorite,
and Steve Kerr has done exactly what I hoped he
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would not do, but he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And did you see a starting lineup there?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Starting lineup, guys, includes not only Anthony Davis at the
center position as Joel Mbie has continued to struggle, but
it also includes Jason Tatum, who famously did not play
d NP DNPCD in his first game, and look again,
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there is there are plenty of reasonable ways to look
at this thing, but starting him from not playing him
And let me reiterate something that when awful announcing picks
up our sound. When other sites pick up our sounds,
sometimes they miss on something.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Remember what I'm speaking from his actual experience.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I understand that the players are not nearly to the
level of the US men's national team. I'm fully aware
of that. What I'm trying to point out, though, is
that I have a working knowledge and feeling about coaching
teams where you have ten vies, viable players on some level,
guys that want and expect to play, and really having
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only the ability to play ten and you kind of
got to break things down. And I get he was
first team All NBA three last three years, but whatever
their evaluation was led them to put him eleventh on
the depth chart last game. So even though the matchups change,
and that's fair to go from not playing to starting,
outside from the fact that you're going to get to rest.
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You know, if look, Lebron doesn't want to play because
he wants to rest, but I don't see that happening.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We just get we're getting super silly with it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
We're getting to the point where it feels like that
old adage of if the second you start listening to fans,
next thing you know, you become one of them, Right,
And I just I can only watch this thing and think,
that's what's happening here is we are giving in to pressure,
and that's you can't do that when you're the coach
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of a team as important as as the US men's
national team.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Just can't.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
The trade deadline has come and gone. I don't know,
I'm just fired up at Dan Byer's last update. Right,
if you listen, dan Byer's update was Jackson Holliday, who
just got called up. And remember he's not a friend
of the program. He's a personal friend of mine. I
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guess like I'm more friends with his dad, right, But
Jackson is a great, great I don't wanna say kid,
because he's married and he's an adult, but he's an
awesome dude. And I'm just incredibly happy for him because
it was pretty miserable last time around, right, I mean,
what was he was like two for thirty or something.
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I was there for his last game, which he did
have one hidden, but he was his numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We were just bad.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Imagine that, right, You don't you don't do anything your
first time around, nothing, your first time around up in
the majors. You go back, you crush in the minors
for second straight year. There's only second year in minor
league baseball, and you know they time it out. They wait,
they wait till after the trade deadline. People obviously wanted you.
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You get called up and now you hit a Grand
Slam home run. That's not bad. I can't imagine what
that feels like. You know, that's the how you like
me now?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And that was basic. But anyway, we'll keep an eye
on this South Sudan game.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
We mentioned to you the trade deadline stuff, which I
don't want to say it was. It was boring because
that's it. Wasn't that your take, Ja stew Is like,
it's just it's it's baseball's chance to really make noise,
make hay and they kind of butchered because all you
hear is these these relievers and guys you haven't heard of.
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One point though, is that? Isn't that how you win
postseason baseball? Like had the Dodgers done that last year,
win your Dodgers have won the World Series.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh I don't know about that, but I will say this,
there are there's a finite number of days on the
calendar for baseball to be relevant, and yesterday was one
of them. And I think like eighty percent of the
players were relievers that nobody's heard of. There's no fix,
there's no one to blame. It's just that MLB always
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tends to be uninteresting at times when they should be
making news. So that's just kind of my lamenting.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think it's a great point.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's kind of like the Mike Trout thing all over again,
and not that obviously Mike trouton only wasn't traded yesterday,
but apparently had a setback. My point about it being
a Mike Trout thing is that for years we've heard, well,
Mike Trout. They're not promoting Mike Trout. You know, Baseball doesn't.
The Angels don't because they're not. My point is, like,
what do you want them to do? You know, I'm
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not exactly sure what you want to do other than,
you know, pants somebody as he's as.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
He's running around the bases.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's like the only thing I can think of, because
you can't make a sport. That's kind of uninteresting. Interesting,
get to the baseball dork, yesterday's yesterday's run on relievers
is incredibly important because well, that's what the sport has become,
especially in the postseason. But to anybody else's boring his
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sin yet, that's how you build a championship team is
you don't do it with adding a big bopper late
in the year.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You do it by adding arms.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Is there any bitterness over something the Dodgers didn't didn't do, Jason,
that's led you to feel that.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Way, Yeah, I mean the Dodgers, according to everybody who
reviewed the Dodgers moves at the deadline, the Dodgers got
away with murder. They didn't give up any prospects, and
they got like for like a couple of utility guys
or reliever and the starter.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
But none of them really moved the needle.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know, none of them are going to get anybody's
interest outside of Dodger fans.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I get it. But what we'll get interest is
if the Dodgers win the World Series, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I mean, that'll get a substantial amount of interest. And
I think that's important not just to the Dodgers, but
also to the league itself. Like the league needs the
Dodgers the league, the league needs the Yankees to go
deep into the playoffs, and best case scenario is them
to play in the World Series.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Who do you think is a bigger, bigger need for
baseball Yankees or Dodgers Yankees. Yeah, that's what I thought too,
And I thought maybe it was with Showhey, it could
change a little bit, but I just kind of think
that the Yankees are just on that even still just
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that different level. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't think it's I don't think it's actually close.
And again when you get Jason a great with you
Dodger fans, like, I mean, plus we're in the media,
but we get it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
But yeah, it's it's not close.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean some of it is, you know, historical success
with all the World Series. So they're they're frankly very
much like they are more successful version of the Cowboys.
And that's because you know, when so many people we
are now adults, were kids, the Yankees were winning all
those World Series with Derek Cheeter and Bernie Williams, et cetera,
et cetera. So I think that's what it's about. They're
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they're both iconic franchises. It's just the Yankee thing is different.
It's just it's just different, the level of importance of everything,
and there's just a greater level of passion in the
over the overall sports fan. It doesn't mean, you know,
Dodger fans will sit there go hey, we draw four
million people like that's great, okay, But the Yankees do too,
and just their TV numbers far exceeded because people that
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don't grow up in UH and around l A aren't
aren't aren't Dodger fans, whereas there are Yankee fans everywhere.
And I think most of it is because they won
when people were younger, and people become fans of teams
that win.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's really it really is that simple.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean, that's Lebron and that's how Lebron James clearly
became a Yankee fan, right, He's a front runner, you know.
And I'm and and as much as that sounds like
you're being I'm being critical of Lebron James. The reality
is when you're a kid, you're growing up in Ohio,
a lot of people aren't baseball fans. You are a
baseball fan. You're going to be fans with whatever team
you think is the best. And Derek Jeter frankly made
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the Yankee made the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Cool for a long time. So I don't know if
that answers your question.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I think a good barometer is a you know, Jazz
Chisholm in those first three games with the Yankees, If
you would have done it for any other team, including
the Dodgers, I think it would be kind of a
nice story. But watch I think Jazz Chishm's last you
know whatever twelve at bats is going to go down
in history. Like Yankee fans everywhere are going to remember
what Jazz Chishlm did in late July of this year.
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It's a when you two things on that team, it
hits different. I think that's what a good barometer is.
As far as why the Yankees are more relevant.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
There is something interesting though about They've had so many
guys that have had these unbelievable first runs. We mentioned
We talked about Gary Sanchez back when he was a
rookie when he got called up and we had that discussion.
What was it was something like twenty six home runs
and fifty three through fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Three games, something crazy like that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yes, and yeah, it turns out not so much. What
was the guy's name?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
This is?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
This is a Dan Byer is probably the only one
who can get this one, but maybe you can't do Jason?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Was it Moss?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Didn't they have a guy Kevin? Didn't he get wasn't
Wasn't he on a call up? Something unbelievable?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah he.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I think he either got called up or maybe was
up in August, hit like eighteen home runs in his
first ten games or something.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Stupid, something crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
If only would have continued, that upper deck rookie card
would have been worth something these days.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No doubt. I think I still have some.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Moss was in that group of where you thought like
you were going to be a millionaire because of the
rookie cards he pulled from upper deck for sure, Like
Eric Anthony of the Astros, he was part of that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I thought Greg Jefferies, right, wasn't Greg Jefferies?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Greg Jefferies was the ultimate like rookie cards sort of dude,
and I have tons of them. And he was a
nice met but he wasn't what he was perceived to be.
And because he was in the era of the rookie
rated cards, we think he's way better. Okay, Plus we
got Caleb Williams is not going to play in the
Hall of Fame game. We talked about this going back
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to two days ago we were in Chicago on how
he said he wanted to play, but we all kind
of knew he wasn't going to. Feels like he's playing
to all of our heartstrings, Caleb saying all the right things.
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was a close game is now a ten point game.
And is that Anthony Edwards with a one man press
and gets a steal. And interestingly enough, Team USA is
now up twenty six to fourteen. That lead has been
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extended since subbing Kevin Durant into the game. And by
the way they took out Anthony Davis, they went small.
They're not playing any of their bigs, no Bam, no
Anthony Davis, no joyl embiid. But also no Jason Tatum
who started the game and was fine. It was fine,
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but clearly trying to change the tempo and go with
a smaller lineup. So coach k coach several of these things, right,
I think what four four gold medals, and of those names,
Kobe Bryant, Lebron James are the two biggest names you
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know that he has coached. This is This was Mike
Krzyzewski on who he believes is the greatest Olympian of
all time.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Well, I think he is because of longevity and accomplishment.
It's unique. But the amount of points he scored, he
scored a lot more than anyone else, and Jim and
when he did them, when he scored in Istanbul in
twenty ten, he averaged thirty three points a game in
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the metal round. Obviously in London he was part of
the huge team that we have with Lebron and Kobe,
and in twenty sixteen in Rio, he's by far our
best scorer and really what our team to the gold medal.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, So he said that Kevin Durant is the best
Olympian he ever coached. Now I want to make sure
he said best score. I agree he's the best scorer.
But fascinating that he didn't, you know, he didn't mention Kobe.
And I'm sure if given a chance to think about it,
because of Kobe's popularity and because of their relationship, he
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would have mentioned Kobe as the best maybe competitor, but.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
No mention Lebron James. He said Kevin Rant.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Now he also said because of the longevity, but Lebron's
been on nearly the same number of Olympic teams as well. Biro,
what do you read into that comment or can you
read anything into that comment?
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Honestly, Doug, I don't read much into it. I mean,
you know, he he likes Kevin Durant for who he's
seen and has been around. And I mean, you know,
Michael Jordan is a name that you know would probably
pop up at times. But yeah, I don't. I don't.
I don't read much into.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It, all right, can let me tell you on something,
tell me if you buy it? Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think that we have gotten to a place where
a lot of people are finally you know, you hear
a lot of current players, you know, talking about how he's.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Their favorite player. He's there, you know, the greatest scorer ever. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I just I liken him to Kareem abdul Jabbar, where
I think he's awesome, and I think, like Kareem abdul Jabbar,
incredible player. Kareem doesn't get mentioned and there's a litany
of reasons why right, One, he played a little bit
too long. Two, he was overshadowed by Magic, And I
think Magic was much more dynamic player and and and.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Was much more of a.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, he literally changed the game of the NBA
and changed how we view the NBA. So it's part
of it's overshadowed by Magic. Part of it is he
played too long. And I think part of it is
the fact that you know, like Kareem abdul Jabbar, Kevin
Durant can run hot and cold with the media and
with people in general, and just out of a place
of honesty. Both Erry Bright guys as well. And I
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think this is one way of hey, hey, remember this guy.
He may say some things, the Warriors thing may have
made you mad as a fan, but the reality is
he may not be the greatest player of all time,
but he's right there in every conversation. Case in point,
I coached USA basketball, he's the greatest player ever, the
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player in basketball.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Yeah, in Olympic basketball and USA basketball are a little different,
just because of coach k bringing up the twenty ten
in Istan Bull and if we've just looked back at
the Olympic Games, in terms of you know where these
guys have played. Maybe the argument, I don't know if
the argument changes or not, but to coach K's point
of he's coached him in all these different different events
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that it could be. I also think it's the fact
that Kevin Durant is probably not going to win another
NBA title, so now you look where he is in
his career where I don't know if you can say
that with Eddie Davis and Lebron the way we are
loving how they look with Team USA, But I mean,
right now, I think kind of Durant at that point,
after you get swept in the playoffs by the Timberwolves,
if you're the feeding Suns, how much does Durrea have
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left in the tank as being the guy that leads
an NBA title team.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
That's a great point.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
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Speaker 5 (18:18):
Though?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Like for Jackson and who got the call up earlier
and didn't do much. Now he gets a second call
up and hits a Grand Slam. How many I'm sure
Elias is going to give this this right, how many
guys have hit their first career home run as a
Grand Slam home run. I'd love to know that number
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would have to be a small number, right, first career
home runs a Grand Slam? What is few a first
career home runs a Grand Slam is only to be
topped or fewer people will only be first career home
runs a walk off. But that's pretty spectacular stuff. By
the way, USA is up thirty six to sevenventeen. Uh,
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they're basically played with Bam and you know, four other
smaller wings or whatever. But Steph barely playing. The disrespect
is Steph Curry disrespect? Four players have it their first
home run to be a Grand Slam.
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Speaker 2 (19:34):
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Speaker 3 (19:37):
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How about he gets called up. He it's a grand slam.
Uh for his first ever career home run JP.
Speaker 11 (19:50):
What uh?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
What about yesterday and the trade deadline surprise you the most?
Speaker 11 (19:56):
That's a great question, Doug. First of all, Goo that afternoon,
what surprised the most that the Yankees did not get
a starting pitcher? And I know that was a big
theme of Brian Cashman's news conference today where he was
asked by a lot of New York reporters why it
didn't work out. And I think the reality.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Is that there was, as Ken Rosenthal reported, of course
the great MLB on Fox Reporter, that there were some
worries on the part of the Yankees about Jack Flaherty's
medicals coming back from the Tigers. And I suppose at
the end of the day, the Dodgers felt comfortable enough
to acquire him.
Speaker 11 (20:31):
And that was unique and interesting that one team, in
one team's opinion that the risk was okay and other
teams it wasn't. And listen, it's not. You're not signing
Jack Blaird at this moment to a seven or eight
year contract by the next two months, and time will
tell if with all the Yankees uncertainty with their rotation,
and look, they played well this week in Philadelphia, so
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maybe they're starting to turn the corner. But I am still,
Doug a little bit concerned about the Yankees rotation depth.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Okay, what about the Dodgers and what they did, you know,
I mean again, last year it felt like they didn't
invest in the bullpen, didn't really go for it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
What about this.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Year, well, they certainly invested them. They added Michael Kopek
to the bullpen, They brought in, of course, yesterday, Kevin Kiermeyer.
They also made the move to bring in Flarity. As
we discussed Amed Rosario comes back to I think in general,
this is a better team, more complete team now than
it was in the year ago. Of course, now they've
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got Otani a year ago they did not. But Doug,
to me, the big question is the one that my
The statistic that I'm going to keep saying until the
Dodgers breaks the streak, and their chance to do that
will be in October, is that they have played fifteen
straight postseason games in which their starting pitcher is not
pitched into the sixth inning. And it's really hard to
win games over a long stretch of the postseason without
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a starting pitcher who's getting you at least into the
sixth inning and beyond. And so we'll see if flarity
with the back issue that he had here recently with Detroit.
I tend to think he'll be just fine for the Dodgers.
But I also worry a bit about what Clayton Kershaw
is going to look like in October, what Tyler glassw
is gonna look like in October. There are other question
marks on his team right now, and I think Doug,
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in general, they are the most complete roster right now,
I would say in the National League, but I see
some potential threats to them elsewhere. I look at the
Phillies and still being a really good team. They're not
playing well right now, but they're still an excellent ball club.
So I think it's gonna be a really tough, tough
task for the Dodgers to make it to the World Series,
even with their abundance of stars right now.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
What about the Orioles, I love what they did.
Speaker 11 (22:41):
I think that Doug, they're one of the teams that
I say won the trade deadline because you look at
what they were able to do that they brought up
Trevor Rodgers from Miami and that deal. They gave up
sours In Norby in that deal. I think that was
generally speaking, a very fair price for them to pay.
They also have added some bullpen at different times to
Straanthony Minge is coming over at gregor Risoto coming over
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as well. They're a really really solid team. They've brought it.
The Loy Jimenez as well from the Chicago White Sox
has been injury plagued a little inconsistent. I think that
in general they are a better stronger team now than
what the Yankees are in terms of they had a
more impactful deadline. It's a toss up right now in
terms of which team is stronger in the standings. They'll
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probably go back and forth between now in the postseason.
But I do like overall the Orioles roster a little
bit better than the Yankees. And one of the biggest
reasons why is I think they have the deeper lineup
one through nine. I love what what the Yankees did
with Jazz Chishom. He's come in and made one of
the better entrances you could ever hope to make for
a newly acquired New York Yankee with his showing so
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far in Philadelphia, but I like the depths of the
Orioles lineup a little bit more one through nine.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
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Speaker 3 (23:56):
Of course, he covers MLB on Fox MLB network's our
Fox Sports Radio Major League Baseball Inside. We're coming off
the trade deadline, which did provide us some some big
name teams making a ton of moves all right now.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
The Padres m.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Wow, indeed wow with with the moves that they made,
and the Bullpens. It was so interesting that basically the
theme of the trade deadline this year was the prices
paid for relief pitchers. And look what the Pires did
to get both Tanner Scott and Jason Adam's and Koenig
as well from in the trade from the Marlins. They
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are one of the most aggressive teams in baseball, and
Doug it's not just that it's what they did at
the end of March with Dylan Cees, it's what they
did early in the season with Luisa Raaz. I love
that there are certain teams in this industry who will
go for it, and certain executives who have done this
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long enough that they simply do not care about the
downsid out of making mistakes. And Jerry Depoto is that
way in Seattle. Aj Preller is that way in San Diego.
Dave Dombrowski is that way. In Philadelphia. Dave Nembrowski is
going to be a Hall of Fame GM because of
deadlines like the one that he just had, he saw
that his team needed a closer. He brought in Carloso Stevens.
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He even acknowledged, Yeah, I probably overpaid, but I got
the guy that I wanted. And the Padres did the
same thing. So they're a team that we talk about.
Are they superstar for superstar on the level of the Dodgers. No,
they're not, but I think when they're totally held it,
they'd got a puncher's chance still. And remember in the
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last postseason series between the Dodgers and the Padres, the
Padres won, and the Padres have been to the NLCS
more recently than the Dodgers. So we talked about the
Dodgers a lot, and we should. But I love what
the Padres did and they're going to be a team
where when your bullpet is that great. I know I
talked earlier about the Dodgers concerns they're with their rotation.
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But when your bullpen is that great and your rotation
is stable enough, I mean, remember, they added someone in
Dylan See who I think can get them deep into games.
We saw the no hitter. He's someone that is elite
and able to go deep into ball games. The Padres
have the kind of guy in Dylan See that I'm
not sure the Dodgers have right now with their with
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their rotation in terms of the currently healthy pitchers. So
I'm a big fan of what the Padres did, and
they made that NL West race a whole lot more interesting.
Just in the last several.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Days, have you been able to find out what actually
happened to Mike Trout? We wouldn't hold setback.
Speaker 11 (26:39):
What happened, well, Doug, it's I think it is all
part of the same chain of woe, if you will.
Concerning trout situation, I do think that his body just
is simply not responding to the various stresses of that
He's trying to put it through to just get back
on the field, and for whatever reason, he can't do it.
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And I don't know, to be honest with you, Doug,
we've talked before about the Angels. We talked a lot
last year about the deadline and should they have traded
show A. Honestly, as a baseball person, I'm just sad
right now because I'm sad when a team goes through
what they have gone through in the last couple of years,
where they made a very well intentioned signing of Rendon.
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It wasn't the right move, but they were trying to win.
That has not worked out Trout. Basically, he hasn't had
many great moments since the World Baseball Classic a year ago,
and then Otani's no longer there. So yeah, they've got
some good young players and Netto and o'hapi and others,
but it's just not the same team. And Doug, it
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pains me to say that, we just don't know we're
ever going to see Mike Trout having a healthy, productive,
one hundred and fifty five game season. Again, we just
don't know, And I think I think that the last
several years have proven that. I know there were whispers
at different times about potentially having there be a trademarket
for and there's just there's not He's not able to
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play enough for that to be the case. So it's
a difficult time right now for the Angels and by
extension from Ajor League Baseball, because he's been one of
the faces of the game and right now it's just
not working out for Mike Trout and the Angels.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Is there a team you mentioned you basically liked on
some level? What the Dodgers? Did you know, We're a
little surprised by the Yankees, impressed by the Orioles. You
like the risk that the Padres took. Who don't you
like who did something like? I don't what are you doing?
What are we doing here?
Speaker 11 (28:39):
Well? I think the Twins should have done more because
I look at them and when they're healthy, they're a
dangerous team. And I know they were talking a lot
of different teams. Dereck Falvey's a really imaginative, forward looking GM.
I just think Doug that they were not able to
get the right value for whatever reason. But this to
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me felt like a year in which the Twins should
have been going for now. They might tell you in
a candid moment that when they signed Carlos Korea that
that was a lot of their budget and that would
crowd them out from doing big things of the deadline. Okay,
maybe that's true, but I see a team that's good
but not great, and honestly, they did substantially less than
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what their division rivals in Kansas City and Cleveland did,
and so I think that those two teams have now
moved ahead of them. The Tigers had an okay deadline.
I think selling wise, they probably didn't do as much
as they could have done. I like it when it's
seller like Toronto and they realize where they're at and
they're looking to the future, they just they make some
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moves and they and they made a ton of moves,
including some controllable talent. I like that, lean into it
when you're not a competitive team, go for it and
look to the future. The Jays did that, I think
very well. The Marlins did that exceptionally well. The Tigers,
I think we're sort of tepping at the deadline, and
I think they probably could have done a bit more.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
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Speaker 3 (30:06):
Sure, that's the voice of John Palmer rosis our Fox
Sports Radio Major League Baseball Inside.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You see him all around on TV as well. JP.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 11 (30:14):
Doug, my pleasure, my friend always loved talking baseball. Got
some great Pennant races ahead, and we'll be talking some
some Green Bay hoops as well next time around.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Okay, no question, we should absolutely do it. Maybe a
little Michigan football too.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
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Speaker 2 (30:32):
At show It's Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
What are Jimmy Hendricks, Russell Westbrook and Lebron James all
have in commons?
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Sam, that's a good trivia.
Speaker 10 (30:41):
I have no idea. Wait, let me think about this.
Who is again Jimmy and who else?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Russell Westbrook, Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
There's no Seattle connect.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I don't know, Chase do.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Let's see, they're all men of color.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Nice, accurate, but not what I was looking for.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Obvious buyer, Who are three men who've never been in
my kitchen? Wasn't that from Cheers? Wasn't that that Cliff's answer?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yes, yes, yes, also accurate, but not those are the answer
I was searching.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
It went off of Jay Stews.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
They're they're all left handed, ah old south paw. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Remember Russell Westbrook and Laron James are both left handed,
of course, and Jimmy Hendricks famously left handed, played a
regular guitar upside down.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I didn't play left handed guitar. Let's get to a game.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Hey there, Dan Byer, what's the game today?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
But man, dog, the game today is for Better or Worse?
May have butchered the Cliff Claven line. I obviously didn't
know what it was verbatim, but I thought that was it.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
I felt like that. Yeah, that the the the thought
was there, the intent was there.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I knew it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I I nodded my head. I thought, I thought that's
what jamana. So if you if you missed a word like.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah, I didn't know if it was kitchen or basement
or living room or.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What I think. I thought it was kitchen. I want
to say kitchen.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
That's what I said. It is all right, perfect, all right,
Doug kind of you did this a little bit last week.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Can you can you do a Cliff Craven voice?
Speaker 6 (32:19):
No? No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
How about his voice is way more known now for
his work in Toy Story, right, sure, way more not
so anyway, Okay, what's the game?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
The game is for Better or Worse? And you did
a little bit of this last week. We're going to
expand on it full Olympic episode today. It's just event
versus event for better or worse, Doug, let's start in
the pool. Butterfly versus backstroke?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
What's it? What's better in terms of what just watching?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
I like the backstroke. I think it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Listen, every time I watch these people swim, I'm like,
how do they do it? They look like it's so
effortless to them and to me, like I'm flap flopping
around like a dying fish. I will point out that
that that the butterfly does look like you're kind of
spasmy it looks like a spasm.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm gonna go backstruck.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I'm yeah, I'm with you on that one. For better
or worse, Women's this is gymnastics now, women's on even
bars versus men's horizontal bar.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh uh, that's a great question.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
I'll tell you. I'll give my opinion on this one
as well. I like women's uneven bars because there's the
time where you just you don't know if they're going
to hit that lower bares or if they're going to
swing around.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So there's why they racket with their legs and then
like the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Yes, m but.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The sheer power of the men and the one I'm
gonna go men.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Okay, horizontal bar, another one women's balance beam for better
or worse versus men's rings.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh, oh, I'm gonna go balance beam. Balance beam. The
rings is incredible. I mean the strength of their core
and their arms is ridiculous. Yeah, I just ripped my
rotator cuffee even watching it. But but doing all that
on like a six inch beam, I you know, and.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Who hasn't walked on a curb trying to do that? Right?
So it's more relatable. Yes, all right, two American teams.
I picked up wins today for better or worse women's
soccer in the Olympics versus women's volleyball in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm gonna go women's volleyball. I just I think it's
a more competitive sport, better watch for me.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
I also think that the Women's World Cup gets a
lot of hype where there isn't that in volleyball, sure,
and gives us more more access to it. I would
say this though, like the women's collegiate you know, women's
college volleyball is got huge. Yes, it's really really big.
For better or worse, doug three on three basketball versus
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break dancing.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I'm gonna go break dancing.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Wow, No, three, I.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Just I mean, I like the fact that they don't
take the ball out of bounds, you know, and it's
fast moving. But it's like, I forget that. What's the
dude's name from Princeton who's on that. I don't even
know how much he played at Princeton and he's on
our three on three team, And like I love Jimmer,
but like that's our and we lost, by the way,
Yeah we lost, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
We got served. For better or worse, surfing versus skateboarding
in the.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Olympics, well, I mean that one photo of the surfer
is yeah, that's it's it's all time Olympic photo.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I'm gonna have to go surfing.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Also, the Tahiti portion of it is cool.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
How cool would that be? You're like, yeah, I got
with the Olympics. We're Olympics Tahiti.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Like miles away.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Right, you win, you win.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's also great the complained about the food in the
Olympic village and that only muffins are good.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
They don't have that problem to eat.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Imagine vacationing this summer in Tahiti, and you're like, I
also went to the Olympics. Yeah, you could say you
took you took in an Olympics sport if you happen
to to watch the surfing. Finally, Doug for better or worse?
Track versus field?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, both worse. The only thing worse than track is field.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
So come on, and that's game time.
Speaker 11 (36:46):
Game.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
This is game time on the Doug Gottleaf Show show.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You're on Fox Sports Radio. All right, coming up next.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We got it.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
We had kind of a nice little Sam. That's the
longest text you've ever sent in your entire life.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
For at least t No, not even close.
Speaker 12 (37:05):
Oh really you're a long text ser Yeah you said
that the meme of like the guy's phone and it
keeps extending because someone sent like a four foot long text,
like the phone itself extends.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, I that's that's not that's not what we
got here, but but it is. It's a pre lengthy text.
So you are fired up on what for the midway?
If you gelt in concise fashion.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Are you talking about the text from earlier?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Uh yeah, NFL preseason games and why they're they're obsolete
in my eyes.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Okay, I'm still not done reading it, so don't ruin that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm not. I'm not either. I ruined the ending. I don't.
I don't want to take away from it. Here's what
we're gonna do. It's midway coming up next. Here's what
we're doing coming up next.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Okay, we'll let Sam give his dissertation on why the
NFL preseason games are obsolete?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
What else is obsolete in sports? I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I'll give you a couple of mine. In the midway
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watch Team USA rematch against South Sudan, a team they
survived in a friendly. They are a twenty nine point favorite,
and Steve Kerr has done exactly what I hoped he
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would not do, but he's doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And did you see a starting lineup there?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Starting lineup, guys, includes not only Anthony Davis at the
center position as Joel Mbie has continued to struggle, but
it also includes Jason Tatum, who famously did not play
d NP DNPCD in his first game, and look again,
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there is there are plenty of reasonable ways to look
at this thing, but starting him from not playing him
And let me reiterate something that when awful announcing picks
up our sound. When other sites pick up our sounds,
sometimes they miss on something.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Remember what I'm speaking from his actual experience.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I understand that the players are not nearly to the
level of the US men's national team. I'm fully aware
of that. What I'm trying to point out, though, is
that I have a working knowledge and feeling about coaching
teams where you have ten vies, viable players on some level,
guys that want and expect to play, and really having
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only the ability to play ten and you kind of
got to break things down. And I get he was
first team All NBA three last three years, but whatever
their evaluation was led them to put him eleventh on
the depth chart last game. So even though the matchups change,
and that's fair to go from not playing to starting,
outside from the fact that you're going to get to rest.
(02:27):
You know, if look, Lebron doesn't want to play because
he wants to rest, but I don't see that happening.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We just get we're getting super silly with it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
We're getting to the point where it feels like that
old adage of if the second you start listening to fans,
next thing you know, you become one of them, Right,
And I just I can only watch this thing and think,
that's what's happening here is we are giving in to pressure,
and that's you can't do that when you're the coach
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of a team as important as as the US men's
national team.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Just can't.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
The trade deadline has come and gone. I don't know,
I'm just fired up at Dan Byer's last update. Right,
if you listen, dan Byer's update was Jackson Holliday, who
just got called up. And remember he's not a friend
of the program. He's a personal friend of mine. I
(03:27):
guess like I'm more friends with his dad, right, But
Jackson is a great, great I don't wanna say kid,
because he's married and he's an adult, but he's an
awesome dude. And I'm just incredibly happy for him because
it was pretty miserable last time around, right, I mean,
what was he was like two for thirty or something.
(03:49):
I was there for his last game, which he did
have one hidden, but he was his numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We were just bad.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Imagine that, right, You don't you don't do anything your
first time around, nothing, your first time around up in
the majors. You go back, you crush in the minors
for second straight year. There's only second year in minor
league baseball, and you know they time it out. They wait,
they wait till after the trade deadline. People obviously wanted you.
(04:20):
You get called up and now you hit a Grand
Slam home run. That's not bad. I can't imagine what
that feels like. You know, that's the how you like
me now?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And that was basic. But anyway, we'll keep an eye
on this South Sudan game.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
We mentioned to you the trade deadline stuff, which I
don't want to say it was. It was boring because
that's it. Wasn't that your take, Ja stew Is like,
it's just it's it's baseball's chance to really make noise,
make hay and they kind of butchered because all you
hear is these these relievers and guys you haven't heard of.
(05:00):
One point though, is that? Isn't that how you win
postseason baseball? Like had the Dodgers done that last year,
win your Dodgers have won the World Series.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Oh I don't know about that, but I will say this,
there are there's a finite number of days on the
calendar for baseball to be relevant, and yesterday was one
of them. And I think like eighty percent of the
players were relievers that nobody's heard of. There's no fix,
there's no one to blame. It's just that MLB always
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tends to be uninteresting at times when they should be
making news. So that's just kind of my lamenting.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think it's a great point.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It's kind of like the Mike Trout thing all over again,
and not that obviously Mike trouton only wasn't traded yesterday,
but apparently had a setback. My point about it being
a Mike Trout thing is that for years we've heard, well,
Mike Trout. They're not promoting Mike Trout. You know, Baseball doesn't.
The Angels don't because they're not. My point is, like,
what do you want them to do? You know, I'm
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not exactly sure what you want to do other than,
you know, pants somebody as he's as.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
He's running around the bases.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's like the only thing I can think of, because
you can't make a sport. That's kind of uninteresting. Interesting,
get to the baseball dork, yesterday's yesterday's run on relievers
is incredibly important because well, that's what the sport has become,
especially in the postseason. But to anybody else's boring his
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sin yet, that's how you build a championship team is
you don't do it with adding a big bopper late
in the year.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You do it by adding arms.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Is there any bitterness over something the Dodgers didn't didn't do, Jason,
that's led you to feel that.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Way, Yeah, I mean the Dodgers, according to everybody who
reviewed the Dodgers moves at the deadline, the Dodgers got
away with murder. They didn't give up any prospects, and
they got like for like a couple of utility guys
or reliever and the starter.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
But none of them really moved the needle.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know, none of them are going to get anybody's
interest outside of Dodger fans.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I get it. But what we'll get interest is
if the Dodgers win the World Series, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I mean, that'll get a substantial amount of interest. And
I think that's important not just to the Dodgers, but
also to the league itself. Like the league needs the
Dodgers the league, the league needs the Yankees to go
deep into the playoffs, and best case scenario is them
to play in the World Series.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Who do you think is a bigger, bigger need for
baseball Yankees or Dodgers Yankees. Yeah, that's what I thought too,
And I thought maybe it was with Showhey, it could
change a little bit, but I just kind of think
that the Yankees are just on that even still just
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that different level. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't think it's I don't think it's actually close.
And again when you get Jason a great with you
Dodger fans, like, I mean, plus we're in the media,
but we get it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
But yeah, it's it's not close.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean some of it is, you know, historical success
with all the World Series. So they're they're frankly very
much like they are more successful version of the Cowboys.
And that's because you know, when so many people we
are now adults, were kids, the Yankees were winning all
those World Series with Derek Cheeter and Bernie Williams, et cetera,
et cetera. So I think that's what it's about. They're
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they're both iconic franchises. It's just the Yankee thing is different.
It's just it's just different, the level of importance of everything,
and there's just a greater level of passion in the
over the overall sports fan. It doesn't mean, you know,
Dodger fans will sit there go hey, we draw four
million people like that's great, okay, But the Yankees do too,
and just their TV numbers far exceeded because people that
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don't grow up in UH and around l A aren't
aren't aren't Dodger fans, whereas there are Yankee fans everywhere.
And I think most of it is because they won
when people were younger, and people become fans of teams
that win.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's really it really is that simple.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean, that's Lebron and that's how Lebron James clearly
became a Yankee fan, right, He's a front runner, you know.
And I'm and and as much as that sounds like
you're being I'm being critical of Lebron James. The reality
is when you're a kid, you're growing up in Ohio,
a lot of people aren't baseball fans. You are a
baseball fan. You're going to be fans with whatever team
you think is the best. And Derek Jeter frankly made
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the Yankee made the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Cool for a long time. So I don't know if
that answers your question.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
I think a good barometer is a you know, Jazz
Chisholm in those first three games with the Yankees, If
you would have done it for any other team, including
the Dodgers, I think it would be kind of a
nice story. But watch I think Jazz Chishm's last you
know whatever twelve at bats is going to go down
in history. Like Yankee fans everywhere are going to remember
what Jazz Chishlm did in late July of this year.
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It's a when you two things on that team, it
hits different. I think that's what a good barometer is.
As far as why the Yankees are more relevant.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
There is something interesting though about They've had so many
guys that have had these unbelievable first runs. We mentioned
We talked about Gary Sanchez back when he was a
rookie when he got called up and we had that discussion.
What was it was something like twenty six home runs
and fifty three through fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Three games, something crazy like that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yes, and yeah, it turns out not so much. What
was the guy's name?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
This is?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
This is a Dan Byer is probably the only one
who can get this one, but maybe you can't do Jason?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Was it Moss?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Didn't they have a guy Kevin? Didn't he get wasn't
Wasn't he on a call up? Something unbelievable?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah he.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I think he either got called up or maybe was
up in August, hit like eighteen home runs in his
first ten games or something.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Stupid, something crazy.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
If only would have continued, that upper deck rookie card
would have been worth something these days.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
No doubt. I think I still have some.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Moss was in that group of where you thought like
you were going to be a millionaire because of the
rookie cards he pulled from upper deck for sure, Like
Eric Anthony of the Astros, he was part of that.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I thought Greg Jefferies, right, wasn't Greg Jefferies?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Greg Jefferies was the ultimate like rookie cards sort of dude,
and I have tons of them. And he was a
nice met but he wasn't what he was perceived to be.
And because he was in the era of the rookie
rated cards, we think he's way better. Okay, Plus we
got Caleb Williams is not going to play in the
Hall of Fame game. We talked about this going back
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to two days ago we were in Chicago on how
he said he wanted to play, but we all kind
of knew he wasn't going to. Feels like he's playing
to all of our heartstrings, Caleb saying all the right things.
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tire buying should be. We're watching Team USA and what
was a close game is now a ten point game.
And is that Anthony Edwards with a one man press
and gets a steal. And interestingly enough, Team USA is
now up twenty six to fourteen. That lead has been
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extended since subbing Kevin Durant into the game. And by
the way they took out Anthony Davis, they went small.
They're not playing any of their bigs, no Bam, no
Anthony Davis, no joyl embiid. But also no Jason Tatum
who started the game and was fine. It was fine,
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but clearly trying to change the tempo and go with
a smaller lineup. So coach k coach several of these things, right,
I think what four four gold medals, and of those names,
Kobe Bryant, Lebron James are the two biggest names you
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know that he has coached. This is This was Mike
Krzyzewski on who he believes is the greatest Olympian of
all time.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Well, I think he is because of longevity and accomplishment.
It's unique. But the amount of points he scored, he
scored a lot more than anyone else, and Jim and
when he did them, when he scored in Istanbul in
twenty ten, he averaged thirty three points a game in
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the metal round. Obviously in London he was part of
the huge team that we have with Lebron and Kobe,
and in twenty sixteen in Rio, he's by far our
best scorer and really what our team to the gold medal.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, So he said that Kevin Durant is the best
Olympian he ever coached. Now I want to make sure
he said best score. I agree he's the best scorer.
But fascinating that he didn't, you know, he didn't mention Kobe.
And I'm sure if given a chance to think about it,
because of Kobe's popularity and because of their relationship, he
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would have mentioned Kobe as the best maybe competitor, but.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
No mention Lebron James. He said Kevin Rant.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Now he also said because of the longevity, but Lebron's
been on nearly the same number of Olympic teams as well. Biro,
what do you read into that comment or can you
read anything into that comment?
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Honestly, Doug, I don't read much into it. I mean,
you know, he he likes Kevin Durant for who he's
seen and has been around. And I mean, you know,
Michael Jordan is a name that you know would probably
pop up at times. But yeah, I don't. I don't.
I don't read much into.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It, all right, can let me tell you on something,
tell me if you buy it? Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think that we have gotten to a place where
a lot of people are finally you know, you hear
a lot of current players, you know, talking about how he's.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Their favorite player. He's there, you know, the greatest scorer ever. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I just I liken him to Kareem abdul Jabbar, where
I think he's awesome, and I think, like Kareem abdul Jabbar,
incredible player. Kareem doesn't get mentioned and there's a litany
of reasons why right, One, he played a little bit
too long. Two, he was overshadowed by Magic, And I
think Magic was much more dynamic player and and and.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Was much more of a.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, he literally changed the game of the NBA
and changed how we view the NBA. So it's part
of it's overshadowed by Magic. Part of it is he
played too long. And I think part of it is
the fact that you know, like Kareem abdul Jabbar, Kevin
Durant can run hot and cold with the media and
with people in general, and just out of a place
of honesty. Both Erry Bright guys as well. And I
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think this is one way of hey, hey, remember this guy.
He may say some things, the Warriors thing may have
made you mad as a fan, but the reality is
he may not be the greatest player of all time,
but he's right there in every conversation. Case in point,
I coached USA basketball, he's the greatest player ever, the
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player in basketball.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
Yeah, in Olympic basketball and USA basketball are a little different,
just because of coach k bringing up the twenty ten
in Istan Bull and if we've just looked back at
the Olympic Games, in terms of you know where these
guys have played. Maybe the argument, I don't know if
the argument changes or not, but to coach K's point
of he's coached him in all these different different events
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that it could be. I also think it's the fact
that Kevin Durant is probably not going to win another
NBA title, so now you look where he is in
his career where I don't know if you can say
that with Eddie Davis and Lebron the way we are
loving how they look with Team USA, But I mean,
right now, I think kind of Durant at that point,
after you get swept in the playoffs by the Timberwolves,
if you're the feeding Suns, how much does Durrea have
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left in the tank as being the guy that leads
an NBA title team.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
That's a great point.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Doug Gotlieb's show here on Fox Sports Tradio. We get
a John palm Rosi in a second. How cool is that?
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Though?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Like for Jackson and who got the call up earlier
and didn't do much. Now he gets a second call
up and hits a Grand Slam. How many I'm sure
Elias is going to give this this right, how many
guys have hit their first career home run as a
Grand Slam home run. I'd love to know that number
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would have to be a small number, right, first career
home runs a Grand Slam? What is few a first
career home runs a Grand Slam is only to be
topped or fewer people will only be first career home
runs a walk off. But that's pretty spectacular stuff. By
the way, USA is up thirty six to sevenventeen. Uh,
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they're basically played with Bam and you know, four other
smaller wings or whatever. But Steph barely playing. The disrespect
is Steph Curry disrespect? Four players have it their first
home run to be a Grand Slam.
Speaker 10 (19:16):
The Internet is telling me, Wikipedia saying Bill Dougleby in
eighteen ninety eight, jered Bill Dougleby, Bill, Bill dougle bymeber
back of the late eighteen hundred four players, Yes, Jeremy Hermida,
Kevin Nick, Kevin Kuzmanoff, and Daniel Nava.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Okay, I've heard of Nova five O six.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Joh Paul Morosi joins us in the doug Ottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. We're we're all Jackson Holiday fans here.
How about he gets called up. He it's a grand slam.
Uh for his first ever career home run JP.
Speaker 11 (19:50):
What uh?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
What about yesterday and the trade deadline surprise you the most?
Speaker 11 (19:56):
That's a great question, Doug. First of all, Goo that afternoon,
what surprised the most that the Yankees did not get
a starting pitcher? And I know that was a big
theme of Brian Cashman's news conference today where he was
asked by a lot of New York reporters why it
didn't work out. And I think the reality.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Is that there was, as Ken Rosenthal reported, of course
the great MLB on Fox Reporter, that there were some
worries on the part of the Yankees about Jack Flaherty's
medicals coming back from the Tigers. And I suppose at
the end of the day, the Dodgers felt comfortable enough
to acquire him.
Speaker 11 (20:31):
And that was unique and interesting that one team, in
one team's opinion that the risk was okay and other
teams it wasn't. And listen, it's not. You're not signing
Jack Blaird at this moment to a seven or eight
year contract by the next two months, and time will
tell if with all the Yankees uncertainty with their rotation,
and look, they played well this week in Philadelphia, so
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maybe they're starting to turn the corner. But I am still,
Doug a little bit concerned about the Yankees rotation depth.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Okay, what about the Dodgers and what they did, you know,
I mean again, last year it felt like they didn't
invest in the bullpen, didn't really go for it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
What about this.
Speaker 11 (21:12):
Year, well, they certainly invested them. They added Michael Kopek
to the bullpen, They brought in, of course, yesterday, Kevin Kiermeyer.
They also made the move to bring in Flarity. As
we discussed Amed Rosario comes back to I think in general,
this is a better team, more complete team now than
it was in the year ago. Of course, now they've
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got Otani a year ago they did not. But Doug,
to me, the big question is the one that my
The statistic that I'm going to keep saying until the
Dodgers breaks the streak, and their chance to do that
will be in October, is that they have played fifteen
straight postseason games in which their starting pitcher is not
pitched into the sixth inning. And it's really hard to
win games over a long stretch of the postseason without
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a starting pitcher who's getting you at least into the
sixth inning and beyond. And so we'll see if flarity
with the back issue that he had here recently with Detroit.
I tend to think he'll be just fine for the Dodgers.
But I also worry a bit about what Clayton Kershaw
is going to look like in October, what Tyler glassw
is gonna look like in October. There are other question
marks on his team right now, and I think Doug,
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in general, they are the most complete roster right now,
I would say in the National League, but I see
some potential threats to them elsewhere. I look at the
Phillies and still being a really good team. They're not
playing well right now, but they're still an excellent ball club.
So I think it's gonna be a really tough, tough
task for the Dodgers to make it to the World Series,
even with their abundance of stars right now.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
What about the Orioles, I love what they did.
Speaker 11 (22:41):
I think that Doug, they're one of the teams that
I say won the trade deadline because you look at
what they were able to do that they brought up
Trevor Rodgers from Miami and that deal. They gave up
sours In Norby in that deal. I think that was
generally speaking, a very fair price for them to pay.
They also have added some bullpen at different times to
Straanthony Minge is coming over at gregor Risoto coming over
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as well. They're a really really solid team. They've brought it.
The Loy Jimenez as well from the Chicago White Sox
has been injury plagued a little inconsistent. I think that
in general they are a better stronger team now than
what the Yankees are in terms of they had a
more impactful deadline. It's a toss up right now in
terms of which team is stronger in the standings. They'll
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probably go back and forth between now in the postseason.
But I do like overall the Orioles roster a little
bit better than the Yankees. And one of the biggest
reasons why is I think they have the deeper lineup
one through nine. I love what what the Yankees did
with Jazz Chishom. He's come in and made one of
the better entrances you could ever hope to make for
a newly acquired New York Yankee with his showing so
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far in Philadelphia, but I like the depths of the
Orioles lineup a little bit more one through nine.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
So Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports for you. That's
Jean Paul Morosi.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Of course, he covers MLB on Fox MLB network's our
Fox Sports Radio Major League Baseball Inside. We're coming off
the trade deadline, which did provide us some some big
name teams making a ton of moves all right now.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
The Padres m.
Speaker 11 (24:14):
Wow, indeed wow with with the moves that they made,
and the Bullpens. It was so interesting that basically the
theme of the trade deadline this year was the prices
paid for relief pitchers. And look what the Pires did
to get both Tanner Scott and Jason Adam's and Koenig
as well from in the trade from the Marlins. They
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are one of the most aggressive teams in baseball, and
Doug it's not just that it's what they did at
the end of March with Dylan Cees, it's what they
did early in the season with Luisa Raaz. I love
that there are certain teams in this industry who will
go for it, and certain executives who have done this
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long enough that they simply do not care about the
downsid out of making mistakes. And Jerry Depoto is that
way in Seattle. Aj Preller is that way in San Diego.
Dave Dombrowski is that way. In Philadelphia. Dave Nembrowski is
going to be a Hall of Fame GM because of
deadlines like the one that he just had, he saw
that his team needed a closer. He brought in Carloso Stevens.
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He even acknowledged, Yeah, I probably overpaid, but I got
the guy that I wanted. And the Padres did the
same thing. So they're a team that we talk about.
Are they superstar for superstar on the level of the Dodgers. No,
they're not, but I think when they're totally held it,
they'd got a puncher's chance still. And remember in the
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last postseason series between the Dodgers and the Padres, the
Padres won, and the Padres have been to the NLCS
more recently than the Dodgers. So we talked about the
Dodgers a lot, and we should. But I love what
the Padres did and they're going to be a team
where when your bullpet is that great. I know I
talked earlier about the Dodgers concerns they're with their rotation.
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But when your bullpen is that great and your rotation
is stable enough, I mean, remember, they added someone in
Dylan See who I think can get them deep into games.
We saw the no hitter. He's someone that is elite
and able to go deep into ball games. The Padres
have the kind of guy in Dylan See that I'm
not sure the Dodgers have right now with their with
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their rotation in terms of the currently healthy pitchers. So
I'm a big fan of what the Padres did, and
they made that NL West race a whole lot more interesting.
Just in the last several.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Days, have you been able to find out what actually
happened to Mike Trout? We wouldn't hold setback.
Speaker 11 (26:39):
What happened, well, Doug, it's I think it is all
part of the same chain of woe, if you will.
Concerning trout situation, I do think that his body just
is simply not responding to the various stresses of that
He's trying to put it through to just get back
on the field, and for whatever reason, he can't do it.
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And I don't know, to be honest with you, Doug,
we've talked before about the Angels. We talked a lot
last year about the deadline and should they have traded
show A. Honestly, as a baseball person, I'm just sad
right now because I'm sad when a team goes through
what they have gone through in the last couple of years,
where they made a very well intentioned signing of Rendon.
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It wasn't the right move, but they were trying to win.
That has not worked out Trout. Basically, he hasn't had
many great moments since the World Baseball Classic a year ago,
and then Otani's no longer there. So yeah, they've got
some good young players and Netto and o'hapi and others,
but it's just not the same team. And Doug, it
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pains me to say that, we just don't know we're
ever going to see Mike Trout having a healthy, productive,
one hundred and fifty five game season. Again, we just
don't know, And I think I think that the last
several years have proven that. I know there were whispers
at different times about potentially having there be a trademarket
for and there's just there's not He's not able to
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play enough for that to be the case. So it's
a difficult time right now for the Angels and by
extension from Ajor League Baseball, because he's been one of
the faces of the game and right now it's just
not working out for Mike Trout and the Angels.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Is there a team you mentioned you basically liked on
some level? What the Dodgers? Did you know, We're a
little surprised by the Yankees, impressed by the Orioles. You
like the risk that the Padres took. Who don't you
like who did something like? I don't what are you doing?
What are we doing here?
Speaker 11 (28:39):
Well? I think the Twins should have done more because
I look at them and when they're healthy, they're a
dangerous team. And I know they were talking a lot
of different teams. Dereck Falvey's a really imaginative, forward looking GM.
I just think Doug that they were not able to
get the right value for whatever reason. But this to
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me felt like a year in which the Twins should
have been going for now. They might tell you in
a candid moment that when they signed Carlos Korea that
that was a lot of their budget and that would
crowd them out from doing big things of the deadline. Okay,
maybe that's true, but I see a team that's good
but not great, and honestly, they did substantially less than
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what their division rivals in Kansas City and Cleveland did,
and so I think that those two teams have now
moved ahead of them. The Tigers had an okay deadline.
I think selling wise, they probably didn't do as much
as they could have done. I like it when it's
seller like Toronto and they realize where they're at and
they're looking to the future, they just they make some
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moves and they and they made a ton of moves,
including some controllable talent. I like that, lean into it
when you're not a competitive team, go for it and
look to the future. The Jays did that, I think
very well. The Marlins did that exceptionally well. The Tigers,
I think we're sort of tepping at the deadline, and
I think they probably could have done a bit more.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Stut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Sure, that's the voice of John Palmer rosis our Fox
Sports Radio Major League Baseball Inside.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You see him all around on TV as well. JP.
Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 11 (30:14):
Doug, my pleasure, my friend always loved talking baseball. Got
some great Pennant races ahead, and we'll be talking some
some Green Bay hoops as well next time around.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Okay, no question, we should absolutely do it. Maybe a
little Michigan football too.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
At show It's Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
What are Jimmy Hendricks, Russell Westbrook and Lebron James all
have in commons?
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Sam, that's a good trivia.
Speaker 10 (30:41):
I have no idea. Wait, let me think about this.
Who is again Jimmy and who else?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Russell Westbrook, Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
There's no Seattle connect.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
I don't know, Chase do.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Let's see, they're all men of color.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Nice, accurate, but not what I was looking for.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Obvious buyer, Who are three men who've never been in
my kitchen? Wasn't that from Cheers? Wasn't that that Cliff's answer?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yes, yes, yes, also accurate, but not those are the answer
I was searching.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
It went off of Jay Stews.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
They're they're all left handed, ah old south paw. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Remember Russell Westbrook and Laron James are both left handed,
of course, and Jimmy Hendricks famously left handed, played a
regular guitar upside down.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I didn't play left handed guitar. Let's get to a game.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Hey there, Dan Byer, what's the game today?
Speaker 6 (31:45):
But man, dog, the game today is for Better or Worse?
May have butchered the Cliff Claven line. I obviously didn't
know what it was verbatim, but I thought that was it.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
I felt like that. Yeah, that the the the thought
was there, the intent was there.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I knew it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I I nodded my head. I thought, I thought that's
what jamana. So if you if you missed a word like.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah, I didn't know if it was kitchen or basement
or living room or.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What I think. I thought it was kitchen. I want
to say kitchen.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
That's what I said. It is all right, perfect, all right,
Doug kind of you did this a little bit last week.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Can you can you do a Cliff Craven voice?
Speaker 6 (32:19):
No? No, I can't.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
How about his voice is way more known now for
his work in Toy Story, right, sure, way more not
so anyway, Okay, what's the game?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
The game is for Better or Worse? And you did
a little bit of this last week. We're going to
expand on it full Olympic episode today. It's just event
versus event for better or worse, Doug, let's start in
the pool. Butterfly versus backstroke?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
What's it? What's better in terms of what just watching?
Speaker 6 (32:56):
I like the backstroke. I think it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Listen, every time I watch these people swim, I'm like,
how do they do it? They look like it's so
effortless to them and to me, like I'm flap flopping
around like a dying fish. I will point out that
that that the butterfly does look like you're kind of
spasmy it looks like a spasm.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm gonna go backstruck.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I'm yeah, I'm with you on that one. For better
or worse, Women's this is gymnastics now, women's on even
bars versus men's horizontal bar.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh uh, that's a great question.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
I'll tell you. I'll give my opinion on this one
as well. I like women's uneven bars because there's the
time where you just you don't know if they're going
to hit that lower bares or if they're going to
swing around.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So there's why they racket with their legs and then
like the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Yes, m but.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The sheer power of the men and the one I'm
gonna go men.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Okay, horizontal bar, another one women's balance beam for better
or worse versus men's rings.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh, oh, I'm gonna go balance beam. Balance beam. The
rings is incredible. I mean the strength of their core
and their arms is ridiculous. Yeah, I just ripped my
rotator cuffee even watching it. But but doing all that
on like a six inch beam, I you know, and.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Who hasn't walked on a curb trying to do that? Right?
So it's more relatable. Yes, all right, two American teams.
I picked up wins today for better or worse women's
soccer in the Olympics versus women's volleyball in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm gonna go women's volleyball. I just I think it's
a more competitive sport, better watch for me.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
I also think that the Women's World Cup gets a
lot of hype where there isn't that in volleyball, sure,
and gives us more more access to it. I would
say this though, like the women's collegiate you know, women's
college volleyball is got huge. Yes, it's really really big.
For better or worse, doug three on three basketball versus
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break dancing.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I'm gonna go break dancing.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Wow, No, three, I.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Just I mean, I like the fact that they don't
take the ball out of bounds, you know, and it's
fast moving. But it's like, I forget that. What's the
dude's name from Princeton who's on that. I don't even
know how much he played at Princeton and he's on
our three on three team, And like I love Jimmer,
but like that's our and we lost, by the way,
Yeah we lost, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
We got served. For better or worse, surfing versus skateboarding
in the.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Olympics, well, I mean that one photo of the surfer
is yeah, that's it's it's all time Olympic photo.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I'm gonna have to go surfing.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Also, the Tahiti portion of it is cool.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
How cool would that be? You're like, yeah, I got
with the Olympics. We're Olympics Tahiti.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Like miles away.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Right, you win, you win.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It's also great the complained about the food in the
Olympic village and that only muffins are good.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
They don't have that problem to eat.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Imagine vacationing this summer in Tahiti, and you're like, I
also went to the Olympics. Yeah, you could say you
took you took in an Olympics sport if you happen
to to watch the surfing. Finally, Doug for better or worse?
Track versus field?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, both worse. The only thing worse than track is field.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
So come on, and that's game time.
Speaker 11 (36:46):
Game.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
This is game time on the Doug Gottleaf Show show.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You're on Fox Sports Radio. All right, coming up next.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We got it.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
We had kind of a nice little Sam. That's the
longest text you've ever sent in your entire life.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
For at least t No, not even close.
Speaker 12 (37:05):
Oh really you're a long text ser Yeah you said
that the meme of like the guy's phone and it
keeps extending because someone sent like a four foot long text,
like the phone itself extends.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
That's me.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, I that's that's not that's not what we
got here, but but it is. It's a pre lengthy text.
So you are fired up on what for the midway?
If you gelt in concise fashion.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Are you talking about the text from earlier?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Uh yeah, NFL preseason games and why they're they're obsolete
in my eyes.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Okay, I'm still not done reading it, so don't ruin that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm not. I'm not either. I ruined the ending. I don't.
I don't want to take away from it. Here's what
we're gonna do. It's midway coming up next. Here's what
we're doing coming up next.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Okay, we'll let Sam give his dissertation on why the
NFL preseason games are obsolete?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
What else is obsolete in sports? I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I'll give you a couple of mine. In the midway
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