August 1, 2024 • 34 mins
Doug riffs on the controversial gender issue of biological men competing against biological women. Doug welcomes Raiders Insider Vinny Bonsignore to get into the weeds about Raiders' Training Camp. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take about Joel Embiid. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, LL Cool J makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus, Fox Sports Tradio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, it was bound to happen, bound to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
About I think it's probably about three years ago. I
was in my hot tub with my daughter Grace and
my son Hayes. And we have a rule at my
house when we have dinner, when the hot tub we
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we when we put our cell phones all down, we
can talk about anything he asked or Dad about anything,
and there's there's no judgment, there's no nobody gets canceled
for just things that you've always wondered and things that
you want to talk about, things that are.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
In your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And especially for my daughter Grace, because she'll even tell
you that she lacks some of the social skills of
her brother and sister and some other kids her age,
so she can say things that at times you wouldn't
necessarily say in public, and it's a great way to learn, like, hey, yeah,
you can't say that that's inappropriate whatever. So if you
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go back three or four years ago, my daughter Grace
was I'll be honest, my kids thought she might be gay,
and Grace is just like, you know, it's at times
she's like thirteen fourteen, she's like, I don't have any
feelings for anybody. My whole thing is just as a dad,
like you literally don't care. You just want your kids
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to be happy and be successful people.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But she was in a lgd LG.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
BEQ plus group, but it was more for like integration
into the school. The school that she went to was
I would think anybody would consider it liberal, and she
just felt like there were people there that were her
friends that weren't treated the right way.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
My daughter, Grace, by the way, is not gay.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And she recently told me as such like just in
that like, yeah, hey, you know I was kind of
figuring stuff out when I was like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
and yeah, I just I don't know. I just hadn't
had feelings for anybody, so I didn't know. And now
I would say I would definitely characterize myself as heterosexual.
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But we had a discussion at that point that even
as somebody who was understanding of gay rights and all
that people have gone through, are even transgenders transcender kid
at their school. There is a line there, you know.
And I tell people all the time that I'm a
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radical centrist, and people say, what does that mean? You're
to me, what that means is, I don't believe that
you have to go along with every single thing that
the party you vote for believes in. I don't believe.
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You know, now, if ninety percent of their beliefs are
counter to yours, well then yeah, you probably shouldn't be
voting for them, because that's but you do vote for
people more than policies, and you know, it's it's you
can be empathetic and understanding. On the other hand, you
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don't have to give away the true virtues that you
want to hold, dear, And I say that because even
Grace at that time was the one who said, why
why should transgender boys or men competing against biological girls?
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So we tried to come up with a solution, and
I said, like I my thing is this. I understand
that if you've gone to that place where you're let's
just call it leg itis, you're.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Going to have a sex change.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Okay, I understand there's a lot of heartache that goes
into it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It's a really hard decision.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean, just imagine yourself as somebody who's transgender and saying, hey,
I used to be known as Jim, Now I'm Jenny.
Ninety percent of the people who you talk to, even
the ones that were your friends, are going to think
you've lost your mind.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You've lost your mind. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And so our acceptance of people who feel like they
were born the wrong sex is at an all time high.
It still isn't accepted, it still isn't quote unquote normal,
and you can feel however you want to feel about it.
My way of looking at it is really simple. If
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you want to go to those lengths, especially once you
turn eighteen, once you turn eighteen, if you want to
go to those lengths, I can't stop.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You can't stop you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But that doesn't mean and here's the whole thing with
like civil rights, you can work, but if you're if
your need for whatever rights impinges on others. And like
what we saw in boxing, and again I don't know
if the Italian woman, if you know, she's like, that's
the hardest I've ever been hit. I don't know what
the competition is like, I do you to know the
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little bit. Competition should be tougher than anywhere else. But
she was fighting, fighting against somebody who had been a
man for the greater part.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Of now her life.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And if you couldn't see this coming, we talked about
it on this show the day that it was ruled
that they would have women's boxing at the Olympics and
they would allow transgender females to participate.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We saw it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Coming like this is one of those This is like
a hurricane that's way off there, like, hey, by next Wednesday,
you should clear out. And then you're like, then it's
like Wednesday and all of a sudden, there's a tornado.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You're like, I, how should I have known? What do
you mean you to know? Just pay attention.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So I love the idea of keeping sports to sports
and keeping politics out of it. I don't think this
should be a political hot button issue. But what happens
with fringe politics is people who are on the left
and the right believe that you're supposed to follow like
Lemmings and everything and everything, and I refuse, and I refuse,
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and it really sucked what happened to the Italian woman
last night.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
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Speaker 2 (07:17):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio and let's
welcome in. He's a guy who he has covered the
Raiders since their arrival in Vegas. He writes for the
Las Vegas Review Journal. He also has his own sports
radio show in Vegas. He's Vinnie bon Signor. He covers
the rest of the league as well. Vinnie, let me
let me start with the Raiders. Another new regime, another
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new GM, then another new I mean, I guess the
same head coach has ended last year. What's the overall feeling,
you know, what's the overall feeling of the Raiders heading
into camp?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Man, I would say this, there's there's there's there's a
feeling that this a pretty darn good roster outside of
a certain position where we're going to at you here
in a second. But it's a really good young defense.
This is a team that has a whole bunch of playmakers.
DeVante Adams, Jacoby Meyer's Buck Bowers is as advertised, it's
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kind of a freaking nature type of a guy. Michael Mayer,
who looks like he's taking a big step forward. Another great,
good young tight end, Trey Tucker is a mere white.
So they've got I think they have an offensive line
that might not be the best offensive line in the NFL,
with plenty good enough to compete at a at a
high level. But you know, this is a classic case
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of all right, everything else is in place, what are
they going to get from either Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell.
And I don't think that we can sit here right
now and make that declaration. I think I think Gardner,
based on what happened yesterday, maybe nudged ahead a little
bit of Aidan O'Connell had had a better day quite frankly,
and Aidan O'Connell did. But it's just one practice, and
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and even if they whoever ends up being the starter,
the big question is what level are they going to
be able to give the Raiders in order to maximize
everything else that they've got going on on the team
in one of those two guys or a combination of both,
which plenty of quarterbacks played last year, so you kind
of figure that both quarterbacks will play at some point
this year, somehow, some way. Can the Raiders get enough
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from their quarterbacks to make an otherwise really good team
or help an otherwise a really good team win mine
ten games maybe and and to beat for a playoff.
But I think that would that would be a successful
season for the Raiders in a major step in the
right direction. Maybe. Well some you know, some some feelings
around here in terms of guys like Devonte Adams and
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players that want to win right now. But that's a
that's the best case scenario, and it's going to require
their quarterbacks to play at a certain level. And the
big question that had those either of those quarterbacks play
at that level, and.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
What's what do you think the reason? What do you
think the end? I mean, like Minshew we've seen before.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I mean I got to think that he ends getting
the job because he's the perfect kind of placeholder.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But O'Connell, of course, was very well liked last year.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, and that's that's the question that keeps getting getting
banned about it. You know, if training camp were to
end today, I think that the the the guy that
you would probably go with is Gardner Minshew because you know,
as much as you want to see what else you
have in Aidan O'Connell coming off last year, and does
he have any more of a feeling And you know what,
what do you have in that young quarterback? I think
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I think there's a there's a big desire to win
as many games as possible. I don't think anyone nobody's
talking about Super Bowl or anything like that. But you know,
you want to get to the playoffs, you want to
take a step in the right direction, and maybe Gardner
Minshew gives you that edge right now. You know, if
you look at their statistics, they're they're almost the same
exact quarterback in terms of completion percentage, touchdowns, interception ratio.
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Gardner can move a little bit better than Aiden and
maybe that becomes, you know, a big factor in the
in this thing. But really, you know, the Raiders just
need one of those guys to play. And the comparison
that has been made here is if you go back
to that twenty seventeen Minnesota Vikings game and a guy
that was a journeyman quarterback before he got to Minnesota
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and has been a journeyman quarterback more of a backup
than anything else ever since he left Minnesota. Somehow, some
way founded in himself, Kid we're talking about case Keenum
to play well enough to go eleven and three as
the Viking starter and get them into the NFC Championship game.
You know, can can they find that kind of magic?
And if we remember that twenty seventeen Viking team with
case Keenum, they immediately moved on from case Keenum, who
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went back to being the quarterback that he's kind of
always been, and put their money in Kirk Kirk Cousins,
who they felt was was an upgrade. I'll say this,
I don't know that there's a scenario out there, no
matter what happened, you know, on the highest end for
the Raiders in terms of finding some magic with those
two quarterbacks or one of those two quarterbacks. I don't
know that we're not going to be sitting here come
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you know, February, when the season's over and the Raider
start thinking about their future and the offseason. I don't
know if there's any scenario where they won't be looking
for their long range quarterback or a better quarterback option
at the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
All right, running back position, Josh Jacobs out, what's the
running back position look.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Like without him?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah? I think that I think there's there's an expectation
as a mere white who you know, he got four
games at the end of the season with the NFL's
leading rusher and average the most yards for carry over
those four games. It's not the biggest sample size, but
I think it was enough of the sample size for
the Raiders to say, all right, if he's got to
be the guy for seventeen games, you believe that he's
going to be able to get the job done. They
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also went out and got Alexander Madison, who has over
his career was a really good backup to Dalvin Cook
and a productive back up to Dalvin Cook at the
Ideally they'd like to see him settle into that into
that role and then keep an eye on a kid
by the name of Dylan Lobby from New Hampshire, and
he's already played his way into He's on their first team,
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third team offense right now. He's getting run with the
first team. Kind of an Austin Eckler type of It's
very remindful of being back in twenty seventeen when Austin
Eckler was a nobody from Western Colorado and everyone else
had to figure out where's Western Colorado? Where is that college?
And slowly but surely, during that first training camp is
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with the Chargers, he was opening eyes. It's on the
same exact field that the Raiders are practicing right now.
We're at Jack Hammitt Sports Complex, and it kind of
has that seal, and it feels like he's already being
somebody that the Raiders are keeping their eye on, or
somebody that can contribute to that this year in some
sort of a role as one of their running backs.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Bennie Bonnsenior, John, you have senat here on the Doug
Gottleig Show on Fox Sports Radio. The defense seems pretty solid,
but what were the biggest issues last year they needed
to clean up on.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well, you know, one thing was a physical force, dominating
physical force in the interior of their defensive line. And
that's all right into their lab because over in Miami,
the you know, the Miami Dolphins had to pay so
many of their players, including we just saw to a Tagataola,
but they didn't have room to keep probably their best
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defensive player and Christian Wilkins, uh. And it's exactly what
the Raiders need. And and you know, one thing, when
you when you talk about how solid this Raiders defense.
Is that's a tribute to you know, some of the
drafting going back to Michael, you know, Mike Michael or
Mike Mayock and Dave Ziegler, their previous general manager, and
some of the free agent moves that Ziegler made to
really create this this this very good defense that had
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most most of their starting spots locked down coming into
this offseason, so they were able to devote most of
their money to what they actually truly needed, which was
a dominating defensive lineman. And so they they were able
to fill you know, that hole in a massive way.
And I think that's going to make that defensive line
go from good to potentially exceptional, especially if a young
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kid like Tyree Wilson, you know, take the steps forward
that they're that they're expecting him to. I think, you know, cornerback,
you know what, one cornerback spot is open. But it
looks like Jae Corey and Bennett who they dropped last year,
is ready to take that role. Otherwise, you know that
what we're really talking about with the Raiders defense is
who filled some key rotational pieces. Is Tyree Wilson going
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to take that step forward? You know? Is there depth
if there's an injury or two, which it feels like
there is. So you look at that defense and that
things playoff. Ready, they gave up the nice us points
last year. They're going into year three under Patrick Graham.
They've got the majority, vast majority of their starters coming back.
So so you like that side of the ball. It
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keeps going back to that quarterback and is that defense going.
They're probably gonna have to score some points this year
and maybe win some games where the offense is just
you know, didn't didn't show up or whatever, you know,
in that kind of a situation. So it's it's nice
for them to go into a season milling they pretty
much have a lockdown defense, uh to rely on because
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they're going to need that help with this offense.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Or join us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. The division a couple of years ago, people
and maybe even you go back to last year, people
thought best division in football Denver, regardless of Sean Payton
or even prove they have been able to figure out
and we're trying yet another starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Obviously can say is the champs.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't know their level of talent wide receivers should
be better than last year, but not the most talented.
Chargers shed themselves of any of their really returning talent
wide receiver, but should run the football better.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But they're kind of in a transition year.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I guess I'm trying to get around to asking the question,
how good do you think this division is?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, and we'll start with the charges. I'm out there
with you. I think I think Jim Marvar is going
to figure that out, serve the later and I wouldn't
be surprised if they're, you know, maybe a super Bowl
team here before along. I believe that much in Jim Marbos,
but I don't think that this is the roster for
him this year. I mean, you know, he wins, but
he's also not a magician, and I think that I
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think you're right. I think that roster is in some transition.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Right now. We'll see down the road, you know how
that all, how that all shakes out. I'm with you
with the Denver Broncos, you know, we don't really know
what they have in quarterback. Is bo Nick's going to
be able to offer a discernible, you know, higher level
of quarterback play. I don't know the answer to that,
I mean, Russell Wilson didn't play badly there. I just
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don't think that Key and John Payton clicked. And I
think Sean Payton very immediately always them day one, envisioned
moving on from him at the end of that first
year with the Denver Broncos. Now he's got bo Nix.
We'll see how long you know that takes. I'm not
a big fan of the rest of their roster, so
I don't see that you know that that they're a
threat necessarily. So to me, it does come back to
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the to the Raiders. I think second place is there
for the taking and maybe a chance to compete for
one of those wild card spots. But again, to me,
this is the team with the Raiders that depending on
the level of play they get from their quarterbacks on
a week to week faceis he could be looking at
a team that wins six games or maybe ten games,
and that's really the long and then short of it.
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And I think it's going to take a little while
to figure out really what they're going to get from
those from those quarterbacks. But if they could get, you know,
just solid play doesn't have to be spectacul go back
and look at Case Keenan's numbers in twenty seventeen. They
were okay, they were good, they were solid, they weren't great,
but it was enough on an otherwise really good team
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to get them pretty far. So that's kind of what
the Freighters are hoping and counting on. And if they
get it, then I think they'll be competitive this year
and knocking on the door of second place in.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Any vision, any of the best.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I really appreciate you joining us. I know you're super busy.
Pravini has his own sports radio show Ian Vegas, and
of course he covers the NFL for the Las Vegas
Review Journal. We'll be talking to him a bunch as
the season rules on Pean. Thanks so much for joining
us on pok Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
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Speaker 3 (19:07):
Let's let's get to what the Fox.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Says and now.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
What I'd say.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Here's the var Arrington and Brady Quintin talking about brock
Party's high number of interceptions of Camp and Party saying
that training camp is time to experiment.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Be all you can be. Now, get that confidence now,
don't be playing afraid now you know, and then get
into the games and you know, you don't know what
the hell direction you're going in or what you want
to do. Like I'll defer to you on this as
a quarterback cube, but I just know this, if you're
going to take risk and you're going to figure out
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do I have the arm strength to fit it into
that window? Do I have the timing to do it
at this moment? If it's going to get picked off,
it's going to get picked off. But it's a practice,
so you watch it on film and you learn from
it on film. I like, I really like this response,
but I'll I'll take your word at what you think
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it is.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Que No, I think there's there's a couple of different
ways of looking at this. So you know, there's there's
times like that where you experiment in training camp and
that's all good, But there's also I would say, from
the offensive perspective of an offensive head coach or a
play caller, they want to see you run the play
that they're calling. They want to see you run up
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to perfection. They want to see you run it and
be efficient. They want to see you complete it. They
want to see it look like how they feel like
it should look like in a game. And so there
comes a point in time where you can only experiment
so much because some of that, especially on the course.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The season or even as you get into training campus.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
If you're a guy competing for a spot, you know
they want to see you run, they run the system.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You know, it's it's it's interesting here. I do see
both sides of it. The problem is, I haven't seen
every interception. I don't even know what I'm looking at
most times in terms of the risk taking. And you know,
what we found from Brock Purdy in the past was
that when he was forced to make the hard plays,
that's when he struggled with interceptions. When he had all
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of his talent around him and you allowed him to
manipulate the defense and run the plays, he was really
really good. So I continue to have it's I continue
to be cautious with people's infatuation in Rock Purdy because
I've seen it. Anytime they had one guy go down
or one guy out, he looked like a completely different quarterback.
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Here's Paul Pierce talking about USA basketball.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
And I impressed, not impressed. I mean, it was a
good win, but I wasn't impressed. There was no point
in the game where I was like, oh man, that
the US is putting a smacking on them, like like
so being impressed would have been them covering the spread. Well,
of course, you know what I'm saying. So for me, like,
there was really no standout performance by anybody. When I
looked up at the end of the game, Bam led
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us a scoring I didn't even know that.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Now.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
I was impressed by the defense, you know. I like
what I saw defensively, forcing turnovers, getting out on the break.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So good win.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Impressed not quite but great win.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
And it's a great step toward I feel like, what's
going to be an impressive win versus Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, but in Servia.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
Beat them by forty that you know what I'm saying,
That's what I'm gonna be impressed. Like when you smack
somebody down by like forty to fifty, that's what's going
to impress me. So it was just an average dayment
of nobody. You know, Curry, it's kind of been struggling.
I think we're gonna get them.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
To cover the spread.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
When Curry get hot and he start you know, turning on.
That's when we started seeing the US cover some of
these spreads.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I think the problem that people are starting to figure
out is it's really hard to play Steph Curry. It
just is because it's one, you can be more physical
with him, so you know, a lot of things he
does get get limited. And then two he just struggles
to guard. So we keep waiting for him, waiting for him,
waiting for him, and it's gonna be matchup dependent.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I was really impressed with USA basketball.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They changed their game plan, they changed their rotation specifically
for South Sudan, and they got a twenty point lead
and it never had the one little stretch in the
second half. Word it didn't feel like the game was
in danger, but the lead was in danger. I thought
that the spread was ridiculous. But if you can't tell
improvement from the first exhibition game against them to the
real game against them, I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Really help you. I just can't.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Here's Colin Cowher talking about Joel Embiid.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
Joel Embiid did not play, and South Sudan's best player
was a center and supposedly our best center did not play,
So it's like been an awakening for Joel Embiid, except
a bad one. Joel Embiid should have been the first
team center. And then by the second exhibition game you
realized Bam ought to buy you and Anthony Davis not only.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Fit better, are they better.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
Tatum's great doesn't get a minute in some games, but
Embiid not playing, to me is a sign the league
is finally getting it on a world global stage. He
doesn't fit and in Philadelphia, and here he can clog
up the offense.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Joe L.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
Embiid doesn't defend like Anthony Davis. He doesn't have the
layers and the dexterity and the shooting and passing of Jokic.
Right now, he's a thirty year old with a mountain
of injuries who was yet to prove. He doesn't get
in the way with other great players, and he doesn't
necessarily elevate others. What you're seeing is what he is productive.
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But look at him, one of the world's best players.
He gets in the way.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't think Joel Embiid has looked great, but I
don't think Colin knows what he's talking about in terms
of yesterday. They what they try to do is spread
out and speed up South Sudana. When South Sudan took
out their big guy because they're playing small, that's when
they threw the ball into to Anthony David SATs when
they threw the ball into Bam because those are big
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guys that can cover out in the court, whereas Embiid
is not.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's matchup based, it just is.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I still believe we'll win the gold medal and Joel
and Bid will play a massive part in one of
those games.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Say, let's find out what's annoying Jason Stewart, and now it's.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Your annoying, Doug.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I was looking this up and this doesn't sound believable,
but three point one billion people watched the twenty twenty
one Olympics. Uh three point one billion. That doesn't sound
that's that sounds like too many people. But anyways, if
that is the case, it only makes my point. The
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one thing that annoys me about this, the transgender debate
with sports, is that it seems like it is a
strictly a topic for fringe right media outlets. And I
don't understand why this is a fringe right thing. It
shouldn't be a fringe right thing as it applies to sports,
and the example today in boxing in the Olympics, I
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think is a great magnification of this. It's going to
take it from the fringe right and it's going to
make it a mainstream topic, which it needs to be
in order for it to change. In order for it
to change, it needs to be a mainstream topic. People
of influence on both sides of the aisle need to
be pissed off at it. So the annoying thing is
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that it's always been a fringe thing. I never understood that.
But I think at the very least the good thing
about what happened today is that three point one billion people,
according to this article, are going to see this on
TV and they're going to react to it, and anyone
with a with a head on their shoulder is going
to be like, what the fuck is going on? Why
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would a woman be allowed to get into a boxing
ring with a man? You could swim against other a
man and a woman, And that's bullshit too, But at
the very least you're not putting somebody's life in jeopardy,
like literally, does a woman need to die? As a
result of a punch to the face for this to
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be eliminated. So that's kind of where I come out
on it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What do you think is the proper solution.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
That if you have an x Y chromosome like this
gentleman has, that means you are a male. Women can't
have an x y chromosome. If you have an x
y chromosome, you can't fight against women. That was the
reason why this guy was eliminated from the other international
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event that he tried to take place in. They said,
you can't because you failed your gender test. The Olympics
have more relaxed rules on the gender testing.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I if you don't want to compete against males and
you want to compete against females because you're transgender, you
have to be It has to be a transgender division.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Sorry, can't you can't do. I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You can't compete against women, especially in a combat sport.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
What else annoys here?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Jason Tatum remember his response when he was asked about
why Jalen Brown wasn't on the team. Yep, and he
chose instead of saying something like, you know what, I'm
probably biased here, but any team I'm on, I want
Jaylen Brown on he's a great teammate, he's a champion,
but instead he said something along the lines of, yeah,
a lot of good people who didn't make it, you know.
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And I thought that was bullshit. I think you did too,
But maybe we could just chalk it up to gen
z softness. Because he was asked about his DNP and
his response, if I'm able to find it was interesting. Anyways,
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he says it was humbling, and then he starts listing
his credentials, and this kind of shows you how the
depth of this guy's maturity as part of his credentials,
which included a NBA Finals victory. Also, he also mentioned
he's on the cover of NBA two K or whatever
that video game is, and so he's like, so, when
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you're the cover of NBA two K and you've won
a championship and you've done this and that and that,
it's humbling, win your bench and it's like, that's the
wrong answer. Yet again, it's the wrong answer. The right
answer is we won the game that I was that
I didn't play. That was the coach's decision, and I'm
all for it. I'm for the gold medal.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Here.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Doug Correct that's the only answer that you need. I'll
do whatever it takes to win the gold medal. That
means not playing and waving a towel again. Like you're
starting to understand that the Celtics, the reason they hadn't
won big for a long time is because those guys,
those super talented they're missing just that something of getting it.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
They just are, They just are. What else do you have?
One more?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Matt Damon was on with Rich Eisen yesterday and he
said this, you.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
And Ben must get scripts ideas. Do anybody come to
you with sequel ideas at all? Anybody come to you like, hey,
you should do this with a characters, goodwill hunting anything
like that. People constantly knocking you on your door saying
you should do that.
Speaker 12 (30:40):
Actually, well, Ben just did the Accountant too, and we
did that through our company with Warner Brothers, through our
company and the one that we've been talking about for
years and we're trying to and I just saw Edward
Norton a few weeks ago, like all of us want
to do. It is a second Rounders movie because so
much as happened in that poker world in the last
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twenty five years, it would have fun to catch those guys.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
So Rounders is a top three movie of mine. I've
seen it one hundred times. It it's a reason why
I got into poker, and I still playing poker today,
and if I could and had the bank roll, I
would do it for a living. It's the reason that
I am a poker player. It's one of the most
perfect movies you can make. I don't know what this
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thirst is for people to take a perfectly made piece
of art and be like, hey, you guys thinking about
doing a sequel? Like why just keep it as is?
So on Twitter, I got all these Godfather Too the
best sequel better than the first. Okay, don't use the
Godfather II as an example. Godfather Too was an extension
(31:47):
of Godfather One. That was it was already in the
pike before they started making it. Use Godfather of Three
as an example here that was made twenty years later
and it was a abomination.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It was a failure.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
And that's what Rounders is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Okay, not all sequels are bad.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And when was the last time Damon made a movie
with his guys that was horrendous? I agree with you
that the lack of new ideas is like I love
Molly's Game too, which by the way, is based upon
real story and there's a poker element of it in
there too, right, So I love both those movies, and
I don't need a Molly's Game too, And the Rounders
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one's interesting. But I will point out, like I watched
ed Pool three.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I really liked it. I really liked it. So what's
most annoying?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I mean, I think a man kicking the crap out
of a woman in Olympic boxing match and we all
see it coming, and we knew this could have been prevented.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
We knew it was ridiculous ruling a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
As an why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Shaye Shannon Sharp Puj had llll cool J on Today
or for the I think the most latest episode, and
ll cool J talked about greatness.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
The greater the accomplished, the greater, the expectation that comes
abouted with good, good, good, great good.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You write mic on, turn the mic on, you can
see it.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Do a bad sit in the woods away.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Your man?
Speaker 13 (33:37):
Ready me, yo, that's what I do. I love it. Man, Look,
let explain something cheap man. I can't get enough of
that man. That's everything. I love, baby.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
I hear the.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Passion, I see the excitement that you're exuding.
Speaker 14 (33:49):
Let me tell you something, Jam, I'm like, I'm the
dude on your team that's like, Yo, yeah we do
we down by a touchdown with two minutes.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah it's kitty.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
Listen, Kitty. I'm you know, I'm at halftime like, I
love all the challenge. I want all the smoke. Oh
they don't think he could win the super Bowl. I
need to get that super Bowl. Like, you don't even understand, man,
That shit turns me to fuck on, bro, What was
he talking about? What was he turned on by h
(34:26):
B people saying he couldn't do things?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I love l O. I spent a.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Couple hours with him two years ago at this event
and he was cool. I mean he talked about like
some of the coolest shit he's done his life or whatever.
He definitely slipped into character there, but there was a
lot and why can we play for you?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Because we can't. That's it for the end of the Bonus podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
She got the radio show every day three to five
Eastern twelve two Pacific, Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app Thanks
so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is in
the bonus
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus, Fox Sports Tradio,
iHeartRadio app Welcome in.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, it was bound to happen, bound to happen.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
About I think it's probably about three years ago. I
was in my hot tub with my daughter Grace and
my son Hayes. And we have a rule at my
house when we have dinner, when the hot tub we
(00:52):
we when we put our cell phones all down, we
can talk about anything he asked or Dad about anything,
and there's there's no judgment, there's no nobody gets canceled
for just things that you've always wondered and things that
you want to talk about, things that are.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
In your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And especially for my daughter Grace, because she'll even tell
you that she lacks some of the social skills of
her brother and sister and some other kids her age,
so she can say things that at times you wouldn't
necessarily say in public, and it's a great way to learn, like, hey, yeah,
you can't say that that's inappropriate whatever. So if you
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go back three or four years ago, my daughter Grace
was I'll be honest, my kids thought she might be gay,
and Grace is just like, you know, it's at times
she's like thirteen fourteen, she's like, I don't have any
feelings for anybody. My whole thing is just as a dad,
like you literally don't care. You just want your kids
(01:51):
to be happy and be successful people.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
But she was in a lgd LG.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
BEQ plus group, but it was more for like integration
into the school. The school that she went to was
I would think anybody would consider it liberal, and she
just felt like there were people there that were her
friends that weren't treated the right way.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
My daughter, Grace, by the way, is not gay.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And she recently told me as such like just in
that like, yeah, hey, you know I was kind of
figuring stuff out when I was like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
and yeah, I just I don't know. I just hadn't
had feelings for anybody, so I didn't know. And now
I would say I would definitely characterize myself as heterosexual.
(02:40):
But we had a discussion at that point that even
as somebody who was understanding of gay rights and all
that people have gone through, are even transgenders transcender kid
at their school. There is a line there, you know.
And I tell people all the time that I'm a
(03:01):
radical centrist, and people say, what does that mean? You're
to me, what that means is, I don't believe that
you have to go along with every single thing that
the party you vote for believes in. I don't believe.
(03:22):
You know, now, if ninety percent of their beliefs are
counter to yours, well then yeah, you probably shouldn't be
voting for them, because that's but you do vote for
people more than policies, and you know, it's it's you
can be empathetic and understanding. On the other hand, you
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don't have to give away the true virtues that you
want to hold, dear, And I say that because even
Grace at that time was the one who said, why
why should transgender boys or men competing against biological girls?
(04:05):
So we tried to come up with a solution, and
I said, like I my thing is this. I understand
that if you've gone to that place where you're let's
just call it leg itis, you're.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Going to have a sex change.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Okay, I understand there's a lot of heartache that goes
into it.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
It's a really hard decision.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I mean, just imagine yourself as somebody who's transgender and saying, hey,
I used to be known as Jim, Now I'm Jenny.
Ninety percent of the people who you talk to, even
the ones that were your friends, are going to think
you've lost your mind.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You've lost your mind. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And so our acceptance of people who feel like they
were born the wrong sex is at an all time high.
It still isn't accepted, it still isn't quote unquote normal,
and you can feel however you want to feel about it.
My way of looking at it is really simple. If
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you want to go to those lengths, especially once you
turn eighteen, once you turn eighteen, if you want to
go to those lengths, I can't stop.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You can't stop you.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But that doesn't mean and here's the whole thing with
like civil rights, you can work, but if you're if
your need for whatever rights impinges on others. And like
what we saw in boxing, and again I don't know
if the Italian woman, if you know, she's like, that's
the hardest I've ever been hit. I don't know what
the competition is like, I do you to know the
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little bit. Competition should be tougher than anywhere else. But
she was fighting, fighting against somebody who had been a
man for the greater part.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Of now her life.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And if you couldn't see this coming, we talked about
it on this show the day that it was ruled
that they would have women's boxing at the Olympics and
they would allow transgender females to participate.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We saw it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Coming like this is one of those This is like
a hurricane that's way off there, like, hey, by next Wednesday,
you should clear out. And then you're like, then it's
like Wednesday and all of a sudden, there's a tornado.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
You're like, I, how should I have known? What do
you mean you to know? Just pay attention.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So I love the idea of keeping sports to sports
and keeping politics out of it. I don't think this
should be a political hot button issue. But what happens
with fringe politics is people who are on the left
and the right believe that you're supposed to follow like
Lemmings and everything and everything, and I refuse, and I refuse,
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and it really sucked what happened to the Italian woman
last night.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (07:17):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio and let's
welcome in. He's a guy who he has covered the
Raiders since their arrival in Vegas. He writes for the
Las Vegas Review Journal. He also has his own sports
radio show in Vegas. He's Vinnie bon Signor. He covers
the rest of the league as well. Vinnie, let me
let me start with the Raiders. Another new regime, another
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new GM, then another new I mean, I guess the
same head coach has ended last year. What's the overall feeling,
you know, what's the overall feeling of the Raiders heading
into camp?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Man, I would say this, there's there's there's there's a
feeling that this a pretty darn good roster outside of
a certain position where we're going to at you here
in a second. But it's a really good young defense.
This is a team that has a whole bunch of playmakers.
DeVante Adams, Jacoby Meyer's Buck Bowers is as advertised, it's
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kind of a freaking nature type of a guy. Michael Mayer,
who looks like he's taking a big step forward. Another great,
good young tight end, Trey Tucker is a mere white.
So they've got I think they have an offensive line
that might not be the best offensive line in the NFL,
with plenty good enough to compete at a at a
high level. But you know, this is a classic case
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of all right, everything else is in place, what are
they going to get from either Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell.
And I don't think that we can sit here right
now and make that declaration. I think I think Gardner,
based on what happened yesterday, maybe nudged ahead a little
bit of Aidan O'Connell had had a better day quite frankly,
and Aidan O'Connell did. But it's just one practice, and
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and even if they whoever ends up being the starter,
the big question is what level are they going to
be able to give the Raiders in order to maximize
everything else that they've got going on on the team
in one of those two guys or a combination of both,
which plenty of quarterbacks played last year, so you kind
of figure that both quarterbacks will play at some point
this year, somehow, some way. Can the Raiders get enough
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from their quarterbacks to make an otherwise really good team
or help an otherwise a really good team win mine
ten games maybe and and to beat for a playoff.
But I think that would that would be a successful
season for the Raiders in a major step in the
right direction. Maybe. Well some you know, some some feelings
around here in terms of guys like Devonte Adams and
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players that want to win right now. But that's a
that's the best case scenario, and it's going to require
their quarterbacks to play at a certain level. And the
big question that had those either of those quarterbacks play
at that level, and.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
What's what do you think the reason? What do you
think the end? I mean, like Minshew we've seen before.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I mean I got to think that he ends getting
the job because he's the perfect kind of placeholder.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But O'Connell, of course, was very well liked last year.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, and that's that's the question that keeps getting getting
banned about it. You know, if training camp were to
end today, I think that the the the guy that
you would probably go with is Gardner Minshew because you know,
as much as you want to see what else you
have in Aidan O'Connell coming off last year, and does
he have any more of a feeling And you know what,
what do you have in that young quarterback? I think
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I think there's a there's a big desire to win
as many games as possible. I don't think anyone nobody's
talking about Super Bowl or anything like that. But you know,
you want to get to the playoffs, you want to
take a step in the right direction, and maybe Gardner
Minshew gives you that edge right now. You know, if
you look at their statistics, they're they're almost the same
exact quarterback in terms of completion percentage, touchdowns, interception ratio.
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Gardner can move a little bit better than Aiden and
maybe that becomes, you know, a big factor in the
in this thing. But really, you know, the Raiders just
need one of those guys to play. And the comparison
that has been made here is if you go back
to that twenty seventeen Minnesota Vikings game and a guy
that was a journeyman quarterback before he got to Minnesota
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and has been a journeyman quarterback more of a backup
than anything else ever since he left Minnesota. Somehow, some
way founded in himself, Kid we're talking about case Keenum
to play well enough to go eleven and three as
the Viking starter and get them into the NFC Championship game.
You know, can can they find that kind of magic?
And if we remember that twenty seventeen Viking team with
case Keenum, they immediately moved on from case Keenum, who
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went back to being the quarterback that he's kind of
always been, and put their money in Kirk Kirk Cousins,
who they felt was was an upgrade. I'll say this,
I don't know that there's a scenario out there, no
matter what happened, you know, on the highest end for
the Raiders in terms of finding some magic with those
two quarterbacks or one of those two quarterbacks. I don't
know that we're not going to be sitting here come
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you know, February, when the season's over and the Raider
start thinking about their future and the offseason. I don't
know if there's any scenario where they won't be looking
for their long range quarterback or a better quarterback option
at the end of the season.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
All right, running back position, Josh Jacobs out, what's the
running back position look.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Like without him?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah? I think that I think there's there's an expectation
as a mere white who you know, he got four
games at the end of the season with the NFL's
leading rusher and average the most yards for carry over
those four games. It's not the biggest sample size, but
I think it was enough of the sample size for
the Raiders to say, all right, if he's got to
be the guy for seventeen games, you believe that he's
going to be able to get the job done. They
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also went out and got Alexander Madison, who has over
his career was a really good backup to Dalvin Cook
and a productive back up to Dalvin Cook at the
Ideally they'd like to see him settle into that into
that role and then keep an eye on a kid
by the name of Dylan Lobby from New Hampshire, and
he's already played his way into He's on their first team,
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third team offense right now. He's getting run with the
first team. Kind of an Austin Eckler type of It's
very remindful of being back in twenty seventeen when Austin
Eckler was a nobody from Western Colorado and everyone else
had to figure out where's Western Colorado? Where is that college?
And slowly but surely, during that first training camp is
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with the Chargers, he was opening eyes. It's on the
same exact field that the Raiders are practicing right now.
We're at Jack Hammitt Sports Complex, and it kind of
has that seal, and it feels like he's already being
somebody that the Raiders are keeping their eye on, or
somebody that can contribute to that this year in some
sort of a role as one of their running backs.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Bennie Bonnsenior, John, you have senat here on the Doug
Gottleig Show on Fox Sports Radio. The defense seems pretty solid,
but what were the biggest issues last year they needed
to clean up on.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Well, you know, one thing was a physical force, dominating
physical force in the interior of their defensive line. And
that's all right into their lab because over in Miami,
the you know, the Miami Dolphins had to pay so
many of their players, including we just saw to a Tagataola,
but they didn't have room to keep probably their best
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defensive player and Christian Wilkins, uh. And it's exactly what
the Raiders need. And and you know, one thing, when
you when you talk about how solid this Raiders defense.
Is that's a tribute to you know, some of the
drafting going back to Michael, you know, Mike Michael or
Mike Mayock and Dave Ziegler, their previous general manager, and
some of the free agent moves that Ziegler made to
really create this this this very good defense that had
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most most of their starting spots locked down coming into
this offseason, so they were able to devote most of
their money to what they actually truly needed, which was
a dominating defensive lineman. And so they they were able
to fill you know, that hole in a massive way.
And I think that's going to make that defensive line
go from good to potentially exceptional, especially if a young
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kid like Tyree Wilson, you know, take the steps forward
that they're that they're expecting him to. I think, you know, cornerback,
you know what, one cornerback spot is open. But it
looks like Jae Corey and Bennett who they dropped last year,
is ready to take that role. Otherwise, you know that
what we're really talking about with the Raiders defense is
who filled some key rotational pieces. Is Tyree Wilson going
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to take that step forward? You know? Is there depth
if there's an injury or two, which it feels like
there is. So you look at that defense and that
things playoff. Ready, they gave up the nice us points
last year. They're going into year three under Patrick Graham.
They've got the majority, vast majority of their starters coming back.
So so you like that side of the ball. It
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keeps going back to that quarterback and is that defense going.
They're probably gonna have to score some points this year
and maybe win some games where the offense is just
you know, didn't didn't show up or whatever, you know,
in that kind of a situation. So it's it's nice
for them to go into a season milling they pretty
much have a lockdown defense, uh to rely on because
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they're going to need that help with this offense.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Or join us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. The division a couple of years ago, people
and maybe even you go back to last year, people
thought best division in football Denver, regardless of Sean Payton
or even prove they have been able to figure out
and we're trying yet another starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Obviously can say is the champs.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't know their level of talent wide receivers should
be better than last year, but not the most talented.
Chargers shed themselves of any of their really returning talent
wide receiver, but should run the football better.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But they're kind of in a transition year.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I guess I'm trying to get around to asking the question,
how good do you think this division is?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, and we'll start with the charges. I'm out there
with you. I think I think Jim Marvar is going
to figure that out, serve the later and I wouldn't
be surprised if they're, you know, maybe a super Bowl
team here before along. I believe that much in Jim Marbos,
but I don't think that this is the roster for
him this year. I mean, you know, he wins, but
he's also not a magician, and I think that I
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think you're right. I think that roster is in some transition.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Right now. We'll see down the road, you know how
that all, how that all shakes out. I'm with you
with the Denver Broncos, you know, we don't really know
what they have in quarterback. Is bo Nick's going to
be able to offer a discernible, you know, higher level
of quarterback play. I don't know the answer to that,
I mean, Russell Wilson didn't play badly there. I just
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don't think that Key and John Payton clicked. And I
think Sean Payton very immediately always them day one, envisioned
moving on from him at the end of that first
year with the Denver Broncos. Now he's got bo Nix.
We'll see how long you know that takes. I'm not
a big fan of the rest of their roster, so
I don't see that you know that that they're a
threat necessarily. So to me, it does come back to
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the to the Raiders. I think second place is there
for the taking and maybe a chance to compete for
one of those wild card spots. But again, to me,
this is the team with the Raiders that depending on
the level of play they get from their quarterbacks on
a week to week faceis he could be looking at
a team that wins six games or maybe ten games,
and that's really the long and then short of it.
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And I think it's going to take a little while
to figure out really what they're going to get from
those from those quarterbacks. But if they could get, you know,
just solid play doesn't have to be spectacul go back
and look at Case Keenan's numbers in twenty seventeen. They
were okay, they were good, they were solid, they weren't great,
but it was enough on an otherwise really good team
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to get them pretty far. So that's kind of what
the Freighters are hoping and counting on. And if they
get it, then I think they'll be competitive this year
and knocking on the door of second place in.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Any vision, any of the best.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I really appreciate you joining us. I know you're super busy.
Pravini has his own sports radio show Ian Vegas, and
of course he covers the NFL for the Las Vegas
Review Journal. We'll be talking to him a bunch as
the season rules on Pean. Thanks so much for joining
us on pok Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
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Speaker 3 (19:07):
Let's let's get to what the Fox.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Says and now.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
What I'd say.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Here's the var Arrington and Brady Quintin talking about brock
Party's high number of interceptions of Camp and Party saying
that training camp is time to experiment.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Be all you can be. Now, get that confidence now,
don't be playing afraid now you know, and then get
into the games and you know, you don't know what
the hell direction you're going in or what you want
to do. Like I'll defer to you on this as
a quarterback cube, but I just know this, if you're
going to take risk and you're going to figure out
(19:43):
do I have the arm strength to fit it into
that window? Do I have the timing to do it
at this moment? If it's going to get picked off,
it's going to get picked off. But it's a practice,
so you watch it on film and you learn from
it on film. I like, I really like this response,
but I'll I'll take your word at what you think
(20:03):
it is.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Que No, I think there's there's a couple of different
ways of looking at this. So you know, there's there's
times like that where you experiment in training camp and
that's all good, But there's also I would say, from
the offensive perspective of an offensive head coach or a
play caller, they want to see you run the play
that they're calling. They want to see you run up
(20:25):
to perfection. They want to see you run it and
be efficient. They want to see you complete it. They
want to see it look like how they feel like
it should look like in a game. And so there
comes a point in time where you can only experiment
so much because some of that, especially on the course.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
The season or even as you get into training campus.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
If you're a guy competing for a spot, you know
they want to see you run, they run the system.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
You know, it's it's it's interesting here. I do see
both sides of it. The problem is, I haven't seen
every interception. I don't even know what I'm looking at
most times in terms of the risk taking. And you know,
what we found from Brock Purdy in the past was
that when he was forced to make the hard plays,
that's when he struggled with interceptions. When he had all
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of his talent around him and you allowed him to
manipulate the defense and run the plays, he was really
really good. So I continue to have it's I continue
to be cautious with people's infatuation in Rock Purdy because
I've seen it. Anytime they had one guy go down
or one guy out, he looked like a completely different quarterback.
(21:31):
Here's Paul Pierce talking about USA basketball.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
And I impressed, not impressed. I mean, it was a
good win, but I wasn't impressed. There was no point
in the game where I was like, oh man, that
the US is putting a smacking on them, like like
so being impressed would have been them covering the spread. Well,
of course, you know what I'm saying. So for me, like,
there was really no standout performance by anybody. When I
looked up at the end of the game, Bam led
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us a scoring I didn't even know that.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Now.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
I was impressed by the defense, you know. I like
what I saw defensively, forcing turnovers, getting out on the break.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So good win.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Impressed not quite but great win.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
And it's a great step toward I feel like, what's
going to be an impressive win versus Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, but in Servia.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
Beat them by forty that you know what I'm saying,
That's what I'm gonna be impressed. Like when you smack
somebody down by like forty to fifty, that's what's going
to impress me. So it was just an average dayment
of nobody. You know, Curry, it's kind of been struggling.
I think we're gonna get them.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
To cover the spread.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
When Curry get hot and he start you know, turning on.
That's when we started seeing the US cover some of
these spreads.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I think the problem that people are starting to figure
out is it's really hard to play Steph Curry. It
just is because it's one, you can be more physical
with him, so you know, a lot of things he
does get get limited. And then two he just struggles
to guard. So we keep waiting for him, waiting for him,
waiting for him, and it's gonna be matchup dependent.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I was really impressed with USA basketball.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They changed their game plan, they changed their rotation specifically
for South Sudan, and they got a twenty point lead
and it never had the one little stretch in the
second half. Word it didn't feel like the game was
in danger, but the lead was in danger. I thought
that the spread was ridiculous. But if you can't tell
improvement from the first exhibition game against them to the
real game against them, I can't.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Really help you. I just can't.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Here's Colin Cowher talking about Joel Embiid.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
Joel Embiid did not play, and South Sudan's best player
was a center and supposedly our best center did not play,
So it's like been an awakening for Joel Embiid, except
a bad one. Joel Embiid should have been the first
team center. And then by the second exhibition game you
realized Bam ought to buy you and Anthony Davis not only.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Fit better, are they better.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
Tatum's great doesn't get a minute in some games, but
Embiid not playing, to me is a sign the league
is finally getting it on a world global stage. He
doesn't fit and in Philadelphia, and here he can clog
up the offense.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Joe L.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
Embiid doesn't defend like Anthony Davis. He doesn't have the
layers and the dexterity and the shooting and passing of Jokic.
Right now, he's a thirty year old with a mountain
of injuries who was yet to prove. He doesn't get
in the way with other great players, and he doesn't
necessarily elevate others. What you're seeing is what he is productive.
(24:34):
But look at him, one of the world's best players.
He gets in the way.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I don't think Joel Embiid has looked great, but I
don't think Colin knows what he's talking about in terms
of yesterday. They what they try to do is spread
out and speed up South Sudana. When South Sudan took
out their big guy because they're playing small, that's when
they threw the ball into to Anthony David SATs when
they threw the ball into Bam because those are big
(25:02):
guys that can cover out in the court, whereas Embiid
is not.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's matchup based, it just is.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I still believe we'll win the gold medal and Joel
and Bid will play a massive part in one of
those games.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Say, let's find out what's annoying Jason Stewart, and now it's.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Your annoying, Doug.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I was looking this up and this doesn't sound believable,
but three point one billion people watched the twenty twenty
one Olympics. Uh three point one billion. That doesn't sound
that's that sounds like too many people. But anyways, if
that is the case, it only makes my point. The
(25:54):
one thing that annoys me about this, the transgender debate
with sports, is that it seems like it is a
strictly a topic for fringe right media outlets. And I
don't understand why this is a fringe right thing. It
shouldn't be a fringe right thing as it applies to sports,
and the example today in boxing in the Olympics, I
(26:17):
think is a great magnification of this. It's going to
take it from the fringe right and it's going to
make it a mainstream topic, which it needs to be
in order for it to change. In order for it
to change, it needs to be a mainstream topic. People
of influence on both sides of the aisle need to
be pissed off at it. So the annoying thing is
(26:39):
that it's always been a fringe thing. I never understood that.
But I think at the very least the good thing
about what happened today is that three point one billion people,
according to this article, are going to see this on
TV and they're going to react to it, and anyone
with a with a head on their shoulder is going
to be like, what the fuck is going on? Why
(27:00):
would a woman be allowed to get into a boxing
ring with a man? You could swim against other a
man and a woman, And that's bullshit too, But at
the very least you're not putting somebody's life in jeopardy,
like literally, does a woman need to die? As a
result of a punch to the face for this to
(27:22):
be eliminated. So that's kind of where I come out
on it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What do you think is the proper solution.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
That if you have an x Y chromosome like this
gentleman has, that means you are a male. Women can't
have an x y chromosome. If you have an x
y chromosome, you can't fight against women. That was the
reason why this guy was eliminated from the other international
(27:53):
event that he tried to take place in. They said,
you can't because you failed your gender test. The Olympics
have more relaxed rules on the gender testing.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I if you don't want to compete against males and
you want to compete against females because you're transgender, you
have to be It has to be a transgender division.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Sorry, can't you can't do. I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You can't compete against women, especially in a combat sport.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
What else annoys here?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Jason Tatum remember his response when he was asked about
why Jalen Brown wasn't on the team. Yep, and he
chose instead of saying something like, you know what, I'm
probably biased here, but any team I'm on, I want
Jaylen Brown on he's a great teammate, he's a champion,
but instead he said something along the lines of, yeah,
a lot of good people who didn't make it, you know.
(28:47):
And I thought that was bullshit. I think you did too,
But maybe we could just chalk it up to gen
z softness. Because he was asked about his DNP and
his response, if I'm able to find it was interesting. Anyways,
(29:08):
he says it was humbling, and then he starts listing
his credentials, and this kind of shows you how the
depth of this guy's maturity as part of his credentials,
which included a NBA Finals victory. Also, he also mentioned
he's on the cover of NBA two K or whatever
that video game is, and so he's like, so, when
(29:31):
you're the cover of NBA two K and you've won
a championship and you've done this and that and that,
it's humbling, win your bench and it's like, that's the
wrong answer. Yet again, it's the wrong answer. The right
answer is we won the game that I was that
I didn't play. That was the coach's decision, and I'm
all for it. I'm for the gold medal.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Here.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Doug Correct that's the only answer that you need. I'll
do whatever it takes to win the gold medal. That
means not playing and waving a towel again. Like you're
starting to understand that the Celtics, the reason they hadn't
won big for a long time is because those guys,
those super talented they're missing just that something of getting it.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
They just are, They just are. What else do you have?
One more?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Matt Damon was on with Rich Eisen yesterday and he
said this, you.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
And Ben must get scripts ideas. Do anybody come to
you with sequel ideas at all? Anybody come to you like, hey,
you should do this with a characters, goodwill hunting anything
like that. People constantly knocking you on your door saying
you should do that.
Speaker 12 (30:40):
Actually, well, Ben just did the Accountant too, and we
did that through our company with Warner Brothers, through our
company and the one that we've been talking about for
years and we're trying to and I just saw Edward
Norton a few weeks ago, like all of us want
to do. It is a second Rounders movie because so
much as happened in that poker world in the last
(31:01):
twenty five years, it would have fun to catch those guys.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
So Rounders is a top three movie of mine. I've
seen it one hundred times. It it's a reason why
I got into poker, and I still playing poker today,
and if I could and had the bank roll, I
would do it for a living. It's the reason that
I am a poker player. It's one of the most
perfect movies you can make. I don't know what this
(31:26):
thirst is for people to take a perfectly made piece
of art and be like, hey, you guys thinking about
doing a sequel? Like why just keep it as is?
So on Twitter, I got all these Godfather Too the
best sequel better than the first. Okay, don't use the
Godfather II as an example. Godfather Too was an extension
(31:47):
of Godfather One. That was it was already in the
pike before they started making it. Use Godfather of Three
as an example here that was made twenty years later
and it was a abomination.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It was a failure.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
And that's what Rounders is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Okay, not all sequels are bad.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And when was the last time Damon made a movie
with his guys that was horrendous? I agree with you
that the lack of new ideas is like I love
Molly's Game too, which by the way, is based upon
real story and there's a poker element of it in
there too, right, So I love both those movies, and
I don't need a Molly's Game too, And the Rounders
(32:33):
one's interesting. But I will point out, like I watched
ed Pool three.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I really liked it. I really liked it. So what's
most annoying?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
I mean, I think a man kicking the crap out
of a woman in Olympic boxing match and we all
see it coming, and we knew this could have been prevented.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
We knew it was ridiculous ruling a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
As an why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Shaye Shannon Sharp Puj had llll cool J on Today
or for the I think the most latest episode, and
ll cool J talked about greatness.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
The greater the accomplished, the greater, the expectation that comes
abouted with good, good, good, great good.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You write mic on, turn the mic on, you can
see it.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Do a bad sit in the woods away.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Your man?
Speaker 13 (33:37):
Ready me, yo, that's what I do. I love it. Man, Look,
let explain something cheap man. I can't get enough of
that man. That's everything. I love, baby.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
I hear the.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Passion, I see the excitement that you're exuding.
Speaker 14 (33:49):
Let me tell you something, Jam, I'm like, I'm the
dude on your team that's like, Yo, yeah we do
we down by a touchdown with two minutes.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah it's kitty.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
Listen, Kitty. I'm you know, I'm at halftime like, I
love all the challenge. I want all the smoke. Oh
they don't think he could win the super Bowl. I
need to get that super Bowl. Like, you don't even understand, man,
That shit turns me to fuck on, bro, What was
he talking about? What was he turned on by h
(34:26):
B people saying he couldn't do things?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I love l O. I spent a.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Couple hours with him two years ago at this event
and he was cool. I mean he talked about like
some of the coolest shit he's done his life or whatever.
He definitely slipped into character there, but there was a
lot and why can we play for you?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Because we can't. That's it for the end of the Bonus podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
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