August 2, 2024 • 35 mins
Doug riffs about the departure of Skip Bayless from Undisputed. Doug welcomes The Athletic's Jon Machota to get into the weeds about everything going on in Cowboys Training Camp. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on the new NFL Kickoff look. Doug chooses among people Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Oscar De La Hoya makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, you know this is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Heres in the Bonus with Doug gottli.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Gottlieb Show on the Bonus Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio.
App Welcome in. So I want to start with something
which I find to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You may not, I think you usually do.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And Jason's the perfect guy because he used to work
over there and by over there, I mean at for
Fox Sports one. And today was the last day of
Skip Bayless on Undisputed and you know, to announce it
on social media after the show is over, tells you
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everything you need to know, just so you know in
our space and look, most people when they leave, there's
always good vibes, good feelings. That ever, people thank everybody
else even when they if they got fired, they got
let go. My guess is, and I don't know this
for a fact because I'm busy enough with this show
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at this pod, with the All Ball Pod as well
as well as the radio show, that I don't I
can't spend time knowing what's going on the lot.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Jason.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Maybe you could, and the lot meaning the Fox lot.
But when he doesn't get announced, that means they didn't
want a lot of fanfare around it. That means that
there's not really good vibes. My guess is that he
wasn't fired, his contract wasn't renewed, and this is the
first day in which they decided that he could be
the last day and he would go. So there's two
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different parts too, or maybe three different parts to it.
One is how do we look at Skip Bayless's this
the TV portion of his career? Secondly is do you
think he gets hired again? And the third part is
you know what happens after he leaves? Jay stew you
want to take a swing at at all three?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of have a different take on things.
So when when you say he's left undisputed, that's assuming
that Undisputed is going to continue. And from the beginning,
I've said that Skip Skip Bayless came in and created
FS one as this as this, you know, I guess
(02:26):
morning show format, undisputed, as Skip Bayless, it may as
well have been called Skip Bayless. Skip Bayless is undisputed.
So I don't know if that show is going to continue.
I think they might rebrand it completely. I think Skip
is a lot of things, and I know him a
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little bit. He filled in for Jim Rome way back when,
and I've worked he did. Yeah, I've worked with him
in in radio studios many times. He's just not a
sentimental guy. I'm guessing it was his call to have
no acknowledgment on air. It's almost kind of like a
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Belichick thing where remember they didn't no one said goodbye
at the end during the last game with Belichick or anything.
It just kind of it just kind of petered out,
and it was probably Belichick's call. I think Bayless, I
think he probably made the call on this. And then
I think that he's probably going to like follow the
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Tucker Carlson model, and I don't think he's going to
be any less relevant. I think like someone like X
is going to probably throw a bunch of money at him.
I mean X threw a bunch of money at Jim Rome,
who has not been that lightning rod that he always was.
He Jim Rome is not polarizing Skip bayliss is, so
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I wouldn't doubt it if Elon Musk threw a bunch
of money at him, and he would have a platform there.
I think he's going to be relevant moving forward, even
though he's like what into his seventies. He doesn't strike
me as a guy who's going to stop doing this.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Xob me interesting. It's interesting you say about Okay, so
you think he keeps going. I'm guessing there is some
form of outlet to doing it, which I don't really
know why. Like he's got way more money and it's
it's one of those tell me if you think this
story makes sense.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Okay. I was driving home.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
In New York City to Connecticut the day after the
election in twenty sixteen, and my boss called at the
time and he was like, what's the city like? And
I said, it's like somebody died And he said why
And I was like, you know, I mean Trump got elected.
(04:50):
He's like, I think people are looking at this the
wrong way. He's like, whether you voted for him, didn't
vote for him, it's the greatest upset in the history
of political science. Right, you'd bet fifteen established in Republicans
and then beat the Clinton machine in order to become
president of the United States. And I would say the
same thing about Skip baylists, like we can sit here
and go like, hey, I don't like the way skip
(05:10):
You know a lot of the things. You know, there's
some name calling, which I thought was, you know, you're
supposed to be above. I would guess when you're.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
When you're.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There's supposed to be there's some name called, but you're
supposed to be above when you're in the media, right. Anyway,
I didn't like a lot of the ways in which
they did things. I also, you know, you and I
have talked about this on this podcast, and that Skip
was he was everything on that show, including the executive producer,
And if you didn't kiss the ring, you couldn't be
on the show.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And they would troll people's social.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Media and if they found anyone to be remotely disloyal,
you wouldn't be on the show, and you would struggle
to be on Fox Sports one. Like it was a
really weird thing, like okay, wait, they can talk shit
on everybody, but if you disagree with And my whole
thing was like I don't I don't know. Skip is
a guy. What I do know is a guy. Is
he's find a little different, but he doesn't he's fine,
(06:10):
Like he just he is everything he purports himself to
be like he just and you can attest to this,
like he just goes home and watches sports and comes
back and talks about it like he's like a machine
that way, And I think it's fascinating that people, you know,
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I just the way in which it all was handled,
the way it all went down.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Was super awkward and super.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Weird, Okay, but I also kind of understand it.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It worked that way for a long time. I'm I.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, right, Like,
the truth is that he wasn't going to come back, right,
that he wasn't his contract wasn't renewed, and he got
to pick how his exit went.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
That sound more reasonable, sure, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Was he good or bad for sports television?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I don't know. I think the landscape has changed, you know.
It seems like since the pandemic or whenever, like people
just kind of got softer and more sensitive to criticism.
So I think the hate for him increased in the
last few years. You talk about the name Collin and
he got out of bounds on the DeMar ham one
thing and stuff like that. But like that style of
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just going after guys, and I referenced it before. I mean,
Jim Rome kind of created this of just mercilessly going
after people and criticizing them. Lebron was his biggest target
and that was on purpose. And I just don't think
his style over time aged well, you know, and I
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think that steven A and him together where the we're
the mixture, because steven A without him hasn't been great
and Skip Skip without him was okay with Shannon.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
But yeah, there's there's I agree, I agree there. I
actually really really agree there that And it's interesting because
stephen A, you know, clearly has decided to move on
from his time.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
With Skip.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But I don't think steven A is close to being
better at all because he doesn't have anybody who can
call a bullshit on him, you know, he there's there's
a power imbalance on his show where you know, I
thought the I thought the Shannon thing felt forced. Now
it did make Shannon into a star, but again I
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don't know, and I know they lost the substantial amount
of the audience when Shannon left, but I don't know
if necessarily Shannon inherited that. Shannon's obviously had great success
in his YouTube thing and some on on for take,
but I think if if steven A Lee's first take
that becomes House of Cards as well. I don't know,
really It's interesting we went from like the debate on
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ESPN to debate on like all networks too. Now will
we be out of the debate business on morning morning
talk television?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Interesting?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Right? Yeah? The format changed?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, so what's the format now? Is it all going
to be like Good Morning Football? Where we go back
to chuckles and laughs and and every once in a
while somebody comes out of left field with a take.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I think that's it. And I mean our industry, the
audio industry has has done this too. It's I think
it's more palatable for the modern day audience to have
just a conversation like a sports bar conversation or you know,
you know, I know Lebron discovered this, but the barbershop conversation.
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I think that's more palatable to some media consumers now.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Probably probably be sure to catch live edition. So the
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
S Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio, and John Michoda
joins us. Of course, he covers the Cowboys for the
Athletic He's covered the Cowboys for years, so it's not
like he has to reintroduce himself every year when he's
at camp in Oxnard, John, give me your what's this
year's camp like?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Camp like? In comparison to others.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
I'd say the thing that stands out most is you
can really tell the growing apathy from fans, just not
as many fans out here as we've seen in previous years.
And you can kind of tell, you know that that
was probably going to be the case when you are
down the way they were in the fourth quarter against
the Packers and then not doing very much in the offseason,
not resigning, you know, getting new contracts for Dak Prescott
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and Ceedee Lamb. You can tell the frustration from fans
for sure. You know players are saying and the coaches
are saying all the right things, but it's noticeable at
practice for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, so how much of that is the apathy of
the lack of postseason success? How much of it is
you know, when the Cowboys forever been going out to
ox Start, there weren't teams in LA. Now there's multiple
teams in LA. And so does that take away you
think any of the Jews from having football and ox Start?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I think that factors in a little bit, But I
find it hard to believe if this team had gotten passed.
Let's say the Packers and beat the Niners and go
to a Super Bowl, I think that it would be
packed in here. And so I think the California things
factors in a little bit with all the teams out here.
But I think it's the frustration of the postseason, and
then coupled with you know, Jerry Jones saying multiple times
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in the offseason how they would be all in, and
they most certainly were not all in this offseason.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, speaking of all in, he keeps using the term
all in. On the other hand, there have been some
extensions that haven't been haven't been matched. Of course, we
can look it all in as a million different things,
if you will. Let's start with Dak Prescott, right, there's
some talk about Dak Prescott extension, yet they shot down
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any Dak Prescott extension talks in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
To this point, how do you think they end up
with Dak this year?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
It's a great question because I think that there's a
real possibility that they go into season without a new deal,
and the Cowboys are in a team that really gets
steal done, especially big ones during the season, so the
clock is certainly ticking to week one to get this
thing done. But there's a part of me that thinks
that Jerry Jones is fine with letting Deck play out
this final year and then trying to negotiate with him
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once the season's over. And obviously that's a really risky
thing to do. But if they were going to definitely
get it done, I think it would have been done
before free agency started, so they could make some more
moves and add some more pieces around. But I think
that Jerry's term of all in is I think he's
all in on this season that if things don't go
the way that he wants them to with them winning
the postseason, that's where you possibly move on from Dak Prescott,
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possibly move on from the coaching staff, and you start
kind of over, which is, to be honest with you,
and Jerry Jones at his age would be willing to
do that.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It is surprising.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
On the other hand, there is the possibility that they
keep topping out with Dak right no matter how good
a leader he is, how he plays in the regular season.
Those two picks in the first half against the Packers
made it an impossible impossible task to come back. So
where do you think they are on dak as a
player in terms of his actual ceiling.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I think they believe he can they can win a
super Bowl with him. I think they feel like they
have to be able to put a lot of pieces
around still, and because of that, they want him to
take a team friendly type deal, at least that's what
they keep saying, so that they can be able to
resign CD Lamb and impossibly add other pieces around him.
And I know a lot of people will roll their
eyes at that, just because the Cowboys are a team
that generally spends very much in creagency on players outside
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of the organization. So it's kind of like one of
those things where you wonder, Okay, so if you save
what they deck takes fifty million dollars a year, and
you save five or six or seven, what are you
going to do with that? And so that should be
questioned as well. But it seems like where they're at
right now is they want him to take a somewhat
team friendly deal, and if he's willing to do that,
then I think the extension absolutely gets done. If not,
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they might wait and see how the season goes and
Let's say, you know, Dak carries them to the NFC
Championship game of the Super Bowl. Then I feel Jerry
will be like, well, then I'm fine giving him sixty million.
He's shown that he can do this, then we'll get
this contract done. But he's running a risk that even
if he doesn't want to give him sixty some other
team's going to give him that if not more.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Okay, they also have other contract issues. Ceedee Lamb one
of them. Like where are they with the other the
guys that want contract extensions.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, Lamb is the closest one to getting done like
that one. Surprise me if that got done with them
the next week. I don't see any way that doesn't
get done before the season starts. The way that I
think Jerry Jones and the front office look at is
they know what Ceed is, they know how how he trains,
they know where him and Dak are with the work
they do in the offseason. They're confident that he can
show up, you know, in another a week or two
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from now, much like Zach Martin did last year, and
he'll be just fine. And so they're not as concerned
about that. But that will be the next contract it
gets done, and then with Michael Parsons, both Mike and
the Cowboys have said that's still a year away from
when they would negotiate that one. But you know, if
he has another season like he has these first three
years he's been in the league, you're looking at a
guy that's going to be making over thirty five million
dollars a year and probably be the highest paid non
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quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
John Michowa join us of course, covers the Cowboys for
the Athletic He joins in the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. John, help me out and help
me kind of clearly understand why. I don't know why
people think this team might be better than last year's team.
What about this team would be better than last year's team.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
That is wild for people to think that. I don't
see that at all. I think that they've gotten worse
at defensive tackle, and that was already an issue for
them last season. Now the addition of Mike Zimmer at
defensive coordinator will change some things, and maybe they'll get
better against the run from just some schematic standpoint, but
there's gonna be some question marks on the offensive line,
just because you're replacing two veterans and Tyler Biattish and
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Tyron Smith with possibly two rookies. And while Tyler Goyden
has looked good out here in his work when he
has one with the first team, that's still asking a
lot of a kid to come in there and try
and replace Tyron Smith. So they're not better there. And
then they replaced Tony Poward with an aging Ezekiel Elliott,
so they're not better at running back either. You can
make the argument the only position where they might be better
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at is that they added Eric Hendricks and that they're
going to get back to Marvin Overshown from knee injury,
so maybe they're better at linebacker. That's the only position group.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, last
thing you know comparison is the Thief of Joy. But
the Eagles are a team that they've had some success
with against in the regular season but obviously haven't matched up.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Didn't get to Super Bowl the way the Eagles did.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Going back to two years ago, Eagles add Saquon Barkley.
How important is keeping hey sue the Eagles to Jerry
Jones as opposed to the push in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I still think he takes a back seat to the postseason.
Jerry would easily take them losing both games to the Eagles,
getting in as a wild card, getting hot at the
right time, and getting to the NFT championship game at
the Super Bowl. I think that would easily take a
back seat for him. It's still a two team rates
in the NFC East. I still think the Commanders and
Giants are a little bit, you know, at least a
step behind. I think it will come down those two teams.
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But there is a realistic possibility that the Cowboys don't
win twelve games for fourth consecutive season. Maybe they win
nine or ten. They're the wild card, but maybe they
get hot at the right time when maybe the expectations
are lower, and they make the run that they've been
missing for the last twenty eight years.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
John, you're the best man. Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Thanks so much for stepping away and hopping on with
us here on Fox Sports Radio anytime.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Doug, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And now.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Every day, this time the Doug Gottlieb Show in the
Bonus Podcast, or bringing a portion of a previous show
on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick
talking about the NFL's new kickoff role.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
You had eight kickoffs and seven were returned. I'll take
it because the alternative is what nothing. They're not going
to go back to what they had before. They have
to have movement there. You still have to have the kickoff. Yes,
we have modifications to on sidekicks as well. Have to
be trailing fourth quarter and you'll have to announce that
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you're going to have an on side kick. Okay, maybe
I don't know what the the you know, the percent
of success is going to be, but it'll be probably
below like three percent for these on side kicks. But
you got movement on the kickoff. I'm fine with that.
We just started. I don't know if I can complain
(18:54):
about anything. We had football last night. I'm okay, I'm
not going to be complaining today. I'm not going to
be a buzzkill.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
See, it feels like you put you put a football
play back where one had been taken out.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Sure, I have no problem with that whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
It can be wonky, but still I'm okay with them,
like it's good.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I still don't know exactly what it is, but it
was the one thing I watched for last night was Oh,
how are they gonna do the kick out? I think, oh, okay,
that's it's just very weird, very alarming, very jarring. But
if there's a playback there, that's what I think we want.
Let's not like, let's not just have kickoffs and waste
to play.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Here's our errant.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Any of this response to Mary Tumor's claim that Kayleb
Williams needs to earn the role as leader and not
tell veterans to pick up after themselves.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
I don't know how it became a story, you know,
I would say that that becomes an interesting dynamic apiece
of it, Like I don't want to be embarrassed by it,
you know what I mean? Like I don't want it
to become a story like, oh, Kayleb Williams told us
to clean up, clean up after ourselves. But nonetheless, the
message is the message and the clarity of building a standard.
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If you have a number one draft pick that comes
in like he's supposed to just be submissive and be
a subordinate and not be seen or not be heard
from or this, that and the other. As as the
leadership role of quarterback on the team, like because he's
a rookie, I don't, I don't. I listen to MONI
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is a very very bright dude, super dope dude. But
I got to say I fall on the other side
of this one. If somebody's coming in and they're setting
a tone and they're setting a standard, I mean, if
that's ray Lewis, are you saying the same thing, because
I can guarantee you ray Lewis came in day one
and he was the same dude that he was day
one that he was.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
The day that he left.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, I agree with that. It's like, look, if you're
gonna be a leader, you gotta be a leader right away.
You can't grow. You can grow into the amount of
respect you have, but you can't just all of a
sudden show up like next year and decide you're gonna
have a leadership voice.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I agree on that. Here's Paul Pierce talking about Anthony Davis.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
The most important player in all of this has to
be Anthony Davis. I feel like he's the backbone of
the defense.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Like offensively, you can go to a number of guys.
It's gonna be somebody different every night. But I just
feel like Anthony Davis changes the game. Every time he starts,
comes off the bench, or plays, he changes the game.
And he started last game and I don't know if
he'll start again. But you can see a major defense
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difference in the interior when guys get to the basket.
I mean, he just doesn't allow it. He's blocking shots.
He doesn't need the ball. He fits perfectly with the
starting unit because the difference between him and Joel Ebiid
is Jolan bed when you're playing with Steph Durant, a
Booker and Lebron, these guys need the ball and had
their scores and so as in BD he needs the ball,
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you need to feed him the ball. Well, Anthony Davis,
you do not have to do that. He's a utility guy,
he said screen. He back picks, he rolls to the basket,
he catch his lobs, he gets offensive rebounds. So he
fits perfectly with those guys around him, and that's why
it looks totally different.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think he's really important, But I don't think he's
the most important guy on the team, because when you
get to the highest level of international basketball, the truth
is that at that moment, that's when you will get
That's when you get the true centers. And Anthony Davis
is not great at defending the true centers, like he
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can't guard Yokich.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It doesn't work, doesn't work at all. That's what the
Fox said. Say, let's find out who what is annoying
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And now it's your.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Annoying, Doug. You're an Angels fan, or at least you
were until you moved to Green Bay. Mike Trout is
out for the season. That's annoying. I was annoyed when
he had a setback, I was annoyed when he went
on the DL, and now I'm annoyed that he's out
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for the season. Mike Trout one of the greatest players
of our generation, and it's become really sad because he
was never able to play in any meaningful postseason games.
I know this isn't his eulogy, but it's a good
reminder that the Angels completely wasted one of the greatest
talents in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, it's it is super sad. I mean, let's just
kind of call it like it is. It's very sad,
very disappointing, And yeah, I think the Angels wasted a
good portion of it. I'm not sure if I put
it all on them. Some of it is bad luck.
It's really more wasting the show, hey o Tani thing
than anything else. Yes, you wasted Mike Trout, but he's
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been beaten up and injured so often. But to have
them both and not get anything out of it, and
then not get anything in trading for trading.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Him is also just just bizarre.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
How long was the tawny with the Angels? Was up
five or six years or whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think it was four years.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I like to tell people that in fifty years, I
want the Angels legacy to be they had those two
guys never made the postseason. Six years, six years, Well done,
Sam steven A. Smith's been a subject of this segment
many times, and I'm just gonna play it and then
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I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you, Doug, what annoys you
most about this? He's still still talking about Jason Tatum
not playing Game one.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I got ten dudes in the world that I'm going
to put on the court before Jason Tatum, and it
ain't the game situation that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
What evolved in with develop He told him before the game,
well you might not play. Yeah, I wouldn't have been
Tatum said, it was a humbling experience. I would not
have advertised.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
I'm not gonn support and Jason Tatum doing, but I
would not have blamed him if that brothers decided to
take a flight back to the States.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I'm serious. That's why Steven A.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Smith's never been in a basketball team. Not a teammate.
That's why you can't work with him. Not a teammate,
you know, That's why he hired Max Kellerman and then
got Max Kellerman run off the show like this is
who he is. He's incredibly selfish individual. He doesn't understand
it's team sport. They won the game by twenty six points.
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You literally sound like the dumbest motherfucker ever. You sound
like you just you didn't watch the game. And what
Steve Kerr did was unbelievably professional, smart and by the way,
it's what they do in the NBA as well. And
then if you wondered, like, hey, why didn't the put
him in late, it's because he told him like, I'm
sure he asked him, Hey listen, if Katie gets it going,
(25:52):
like I'm just gonna go with that ten.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
He didn't have to like it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You're running a team. This is why Steven a can't
actually function in a team environment.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Not different.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
He's never played on a team. He doesn't get it,
doesn't understand you know, So that's okay, it's not for everybody.
You talk into your microphone, you do your oration stuff,
you talk about shit. You have no fucking idea about none, zero, zilt,
zip nada. Didn't Steve Kerr basically say the exact same thing, like, Hey,
(26:22):
these guys, they don't listen to social media, they don't
watch them, and all he's trying to do is pull
It's like, are you trying to plute the well?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So if you're, if you're, who, are you not going
to play? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
That's the that's the worst part about it, is like
it's just so disingenuous.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh you just gotta play him, Okay, so you canna
sit go ahead, who you sitting sitting?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Lebron Okay, maybe he wasn't great, had some turnovers, Okay, Bud,
he's still Lebron and he's Lebron and Lebron played pretty well,
just had turnovers. You're not gonna And the idea I'm
sure was see what kat has. Katie was basically pitching
a perfect game at halftime. When you offer no solutions
(27:10):
and you just point out something you to see a
problem when there wasn't really a problem. You just sound
like you're spitting in the wind. So keep spitting the wind.
It'll keep coming back in your face. That's annoying.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
What else I don't know. Uh, this was totally accidental,
but it's another it's another talent over at ESPN L Duncan.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, she's good, you know, well talented.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, and she's you know, she's I think she fancies
herself very in tune with the WNBA. She's like one
of the people that it's been telling us. I've been
here since day one. You a couple lately can't have
takes on it. But yes, this is what she said
the other day. She tweeted this out, and you tell
(27:51):
me what you think it sticks out On this tweet, Doug,
she says, I did the thing you weren't supposed to do.
I reacted to Cheryl swoops comments about Caitlin Clark based
on quotes pulled from for me by my producers in
the rundown. I should have listened to the show, same
thing I implored Kitlyn Clark fans to do when they
were attacking me a couple of months ago about hating
(28:14):
on her. I hate that I've sent more vitriol her direction,
and I'm taking the big l on this one. I've
texted Cheryl to say the same thing. Anything stick out
in that that tweet to you.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Doug wait, read it again to me.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I did the thing you weren't supposed to do. I
reacted to Cheryl Swoops comments about Kaitlyn Clark based on
quotes pulled for me by producers in the rundown.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So she's throwing her producer's under the butt.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
It's funny. It's uh right, she's.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Throwing a producer so and and by she's admitting, my
my bad.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
They did it right, right.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It's it's like, it's it's a weird passive aggress of
like taken accountability for something, while at the very same time,
if my producers would have prepared me better, I wouldn't
be in this position. Yeah, I thought that was annoyed.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
She also said I'm taking the L on this one,
and you could easily put a pun in there.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
E L L E yeah, oh yeah, Oh I thought
you were going the other way, like I will take
the L word on this one.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
No, the L Duncan, I'm taking the L.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What else?
Speaker 4 (29:32):
That's it? So Mike Trout being out for the season. L.
Duncan and Steven.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
L Duncan. L Duncan, I admit it. They screwed me
up because I didn't do the work. And oh yeah,
by the way, she wasn't wrong, wasn't wrong at all.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
L duncan.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
You why are we doing this.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Because we can?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Hey, Doug. Yes, Oscar de la Joya won a gold
medal in the Olympics in boxing. I think he has
a unique perspective on this hand. Io Sam reminded me
of this. He's a cross dresser, so I think he's
very suited to weigh in on the controversy from yesterday.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
Here is the IOC allowed this to happen, and it's
saying it's okay because they are females in their passports. Wait,
what are you kidding me? There is zero chance that
these fighters are evenly matched. It's impossible and it's scary,
it's disgusting, and it's unfair. I've lost all my respect
(30:40):
for the IOC. It's dangerous and someone will eventually get hurt.
It's truly insane, and I hate that we even have
to discuss it. I'm an Olympic gold medalist. I'm very
proud of that fact. It was the greatest accomplishment of
my entire career.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
So I have to ask, what in the fuck is
going on.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
There's a lot of people, myself included, who thought that
the Algerian fighter was transgender. She is not, okay, and
so obviously the chromosomal test will tell you one thing,
but there's also the gonatal test, as we all know, and.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
This one's a hard one. It just is.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I would point out that I think we're freaking
out over something that wasn't We can't necessarily freak out over.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Right, Like, am I wrong here? Jays too?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Like, I'm not exactly sure how you because females can
have X Y chromosomes and we've seen this in running.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
What's the I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
She's South African or Nigerian homage whatever, Samantic whatever, like
same thing, and obviously they've gotten a little bit more
lax with it, but like, I don't know how you
tackle this one, but we make the Olympicmmittee out to
be these bad people, and this one is hard.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
The waters have only gotten like more murkies since yesterday.
So there was the reaction to it, initial reaction that
we spoke about, and then detail started coming out about
exactly what this woman is and her background and there's
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a relationship between the IOC and the IBA, and it's
it's very murky. But I will say this, Doug, we're
all we all have common sense. You and I both
have common sense. And when something that you see with
your own eyes and think about with your own brain
(32:44):
is confirmed by a test that there's an x Y
chromosome that matches what you're looking at. In other words, Doug,
I'm totally random. Example, Britney Griner, you could have your
opinion about what's going on there. We've seen her with
her like shirt off in the pool, we've heard her voice.
(33:06):
If she was to fail a gender test, would that
surprise you because it wouldn't surprise us because what we
see with our own eyes is confirmed by a test
by science. So it's like nothing has been confirmed or
unconfirmed since yesterday, the IOC is not going to result,
(33:27):
it's not going to be releasing results of any testing
they did to qualify her, so they're just kind of
there's zero transparency with what happened. So I don't know.
Nobody really knows what's going on, but there are factors
that are. We do know that she hit the shit
(33:47):
out of this woman who ended up quitting and later
apologized to the fighter. Again, it's just gotten more murky
since yesterday. It's ugly. Can I can I add something
real quick?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
This?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
How do you pranous?
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Her name emon Khalif a Khalif and mon calais mon Khalif.
She's lost six times to women, so she's not unbeatable.
She's not like some lab experiment. She's lost before. She's
she's not, she's she's flawed. And this this this Italian boxer,
you know she couldn't take the take the punches. So
(34:22):
I don't I don't know, I don't know. I think
this whole thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Did you see the video of the Italian boxer rolling
her ankle in like the European Championships? Have you seen
that one?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
No?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, she's done this before she's exited a fight early. Yeah, well,
maybe she's not cut out for the business.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Correct, correct?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I do think, Well it does gotten Murcury, it's far
less sinister from the Algerian Fighter and Khalifa and from
the IOC's perspective that it was twenty four hours ago,
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
All Right, that's it for the inter Modes podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
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Speaker 3 (35:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Gottlieb Show on the Bonus Fox Sports Radio. iHeartRadio.
App Welcome in. So I want to start with something
which I find to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You may not, I think you usually do.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And Jason's the perfect guy because he used to work
over there and by over there, I mean at for
Fox Sports one. And today was the last day of
Skip Bayless on Undisputed and you know, to announce it
on social media after the show is over, tells you
(00:51):
everything you need to know, just so you know in
our space and look, most people when they leave, there's
always good vibes, good feelings. That ever, people thank everybody
else even when they if they got fired, they got
let go. My guess is, and I don't know this
for a fact because I'm busy enough with this show
(01:11):
at this pod, with the All Ball Pod as well
as well as the radio show, that I don't I
can't spend time knowing what's going on the lot.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Jason.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Maybe you could, and the lot meaning the Fox lot.
But when he doesn't get announced, that means they didn't
want a lot of fanfare around it. That means that
there's not really good vibes. My guess is that he
wasn't fired, his contract wasn't renewed, and this is the
first day in which they decided that he could be
the last day and he would go. So there's two
(01:42):
different parts too, or maybe three different parts to it.
One is how do we look at Skip Bayless's this
the TV portion of his career? Secondly is do you
think he gets hired again? And the third part is
you know what happens after he leaves? Jay stew you
want to take a swing at at all three?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of have a different take on things.
So when when you say he's left undisputed, that's assuming
that Undisputed is going to continue. And from the beginning,
I've said that Skip Skip Bayless came in and created
FS one as this as this, you know, I guess
(02:26):
morning show format, undisputed, as Skip Bayless, it may as
well have been called Skip Bayless. Skip Bayless is undisputed.
So I don't know if that show is going to continue.
I think they might rebrand it completely. I think Skip
is a lot of things, and I know him a
(02:47):
little bit. He filled in for Jim Rome way back when,
and I've worked he did. Yeah, I've worked with him
in in radio studios many times. He's just not a
sentimental guy. I'm guessing it was his call to have
no acknowledgment on air. It's almost kind of like a
(03:07):
Belichick thing where remember they didn't no one said goodbye
at the end during the last game with Belichick or anything.
It just kind of it just kind of petered out,
and it was probably Belichick's call. I think Bayless, I
think he probably made the call on this. And then
I think that he's probably going to like follow the
(03:29):
Tucker Carlson model, and I don't think he's going to
be any less relevant. I think like someone like X
is going to probably throw a bunch of money at him.
I mean X threw a bunch of money at Jim Rome,
who has not been that lightning rod that he always was.
He Jim Rome is not polarizing Skip bayliss is, so
(03:52):
I wouldn't doubt it if Elon Musk threw a bunch
of money at him, and he would have a platform there.
I think he's going to be relevant moving forward, even
though he's like what into his seventies. He doesn't strike
me as a guy who's going to stop doing this.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Xob me interesting. It's interesting you say about Okay, so
you think he keeps going. I'm guessing there is some
form of outlet to doing it, which I don't really
know why. Like he's got way more money and it's
it's one of those tell me if you think this
story makes sense.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Okay. I was driving home.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
In New York City to Connecticut the day after the
election in twenty sixteen, and my boss called at the
time and he was like, what's the city like? And
I said, it's like somebody died And he said why
And I was like, you know, I mean Trump got elected.
(04:50):
He's like, I think people are looking at this the
wrong way. He's like, whether you voted for him, didn't
vote for him, it's the greatest upset in the history
of political science. Right, you'd bet fifteen established in Republicans
and then beat the Clinton machine in order to become
president of the United States. And I would say the
same thing about Skip baylists, like we can sit here
and go like, hey, I don't like the way skip
(05:10):
You know a lot of the things. You know, there's
some name calling, which I thought was, you know, you're
supposed to be above. I would guess when you're.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
When you're.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There's supposed to be there's some name called, but you're
supposed to be above when you're in the media, right. Anyway,
I didn't like a lot of the ways in which
they did things. I also, you know, you and I
have talked about this on this podcast, and that Skip
was he was everything on that show, including the executive producer,
And if you didn't kiss the ring, you couldn't be
on the show.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And they would troll people's social.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Media and if they found anyone to be remotely disloyal,
you wouldn't be on the show, and you would struggle
to be on Fox Sports one. Like it was a
really weird thing, like okay, wait, they can talk shit
on everybody, but if you disagree with And my whole
thing was like I don't I don't know. Skip is
a guy. What I do know is a guy. Is
he's find a little different, but he doesn't he's fine,
(06:10):
Like he just he is everything he purports himself to
be like he just and you can attest to this,
like he just goes home and watches sports and comes
back and talks about it like he's like a machine
that way, And I think it's fascinating that people, you know,
(06:32):
I just the way in which it all was handled,
the way it all went down.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Was super awkward and super.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Weird, Okay, but I also kind of understand it.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It worked that way for a long time. I'm I.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, right, Like,
the truth is that he wasn't going to come back, right,
that he wasn't his contract wasn't renewed, and he got
to pick how his exit went.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
That sound more reasonable, sure, Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Was he good or bad for sports television?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I don't know. I think the landscape has changed, you know.
It seems like since the pandemic or whenever, like people
just kind of got softer and more sensitive to criticism.
So I think the hate for him increased in the
last few years. You talk about the name Collin and
he got out of bounds on the DeMar ham one
thing and stuff like that. But like that style of
(07:36):
just going after guys, and I referenced it before. I mean,
Jim Rome kind of created this of just mercilessly going
after people and criticizing them. Lebron was his biggest target
and that was on purpose. And I just don't think
his style over time aged well, you know, and I
(07:57):
think that steven A and him together where the we're
the mixture, because steven A without him hasn't been great
and Skip Skip without him was okay with Shannon.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
But yeah, there's there's I agree, I agree there. I
actually really really agree there that And it's interesting because
stephen A, you know, clearly has decided to move on
from his time.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
With Skip.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But I don't think steven A is close to being
better at all because he doesn't have anybody who can
call a bullshit on him, you know, he there's there's
a power imbalance on his show where you know, I
thought the I thought the Shannon thing felt forced. Now
it did make Shannon into a star, but again I
(08:48):
don't know, and I know they lost the substantial amount
of the audience when Shannon left, but I don't know
if necessarily Shannon inherited that. Shannon's obviously had great success
in his YouTube thing and some on on for take,
but I think if if steven A Lee's first take
that becomes House of Cards as well. I don't know,
really It's interesting we went from like the debate on
(09:10):
ESPN to debate on like all networks too. Now will
we be out of the debate business on morning morning
talk television?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Interesting?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Right? Yeah? The format changed?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, so what's the format now? Is it all going
to be like Good Morning Football? Where we go back
to chuckles and laughs and and every once in a
while somebody comes out of left field with a take.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I think that's it. And I mean our industry, the
audio industry has has done this too. It's I think
it's more palatable for the modern day audience to have
just a conversation like a sports bar conversation or you know,
you know, I know Lebron discovered this, but the barbershop conversation.
(09:52):
I think that's more palatable to some media consumers now.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Probably probably be sure to catch live edition. So the
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
S Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio, and John Michoda
joins us. Of course, he covers the Cowboys for the
Athletic He's covered the Cowboys for years, so it's not
like he has to reintroduce himself every year when he's
at camp in Oxnard, John, give me your what's this
year's camp like?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Camp like? In comparison to others.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
I'd say the thing that stands out most is you
can really tell the growing apathy from fans, just not
as many fans out here as we've seen in previous years.
And you can kind of tell, you know that that
was probably going to be the case when you are
down the way they were in the fourth quarter against
the Packers and then not doing very much in the offseason,
not resigning, you know, getting new contracts for Dak Prescott
(10:51):
and Ceedee Lamb. You can tell the frustration from fans
for sure. You know players are saying and the coaches
are saying all the right things, but it's noticeable at
practice for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, so how much of that is the apathy of
the lack of postseason success? How much of it is
you know, when the Cowboys forever been going out to
ox Start, there weren't teams in LA. Now there's multiple
teams in LA. And so does that take away you
think any of the Jews from having football and ox Start?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I think that factors in a little bit, But I
find it hard to believe if this team had gotten passed.
Let's say the Packers and beat the Niners and go
to a Super Bowl, I think that it would be
packed in here. And so I think the California things
factors in a little bit with all the teams out here.
But I think it's the frustration of the postseason, and
then coupled with you know, Jerry Jones saying multiple times
(11:38):
in the offseason how they would be all in, and
they most certainly were not all in this offseason.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Okay, speaking of all in, he keeps using the term
all in. On the other hand, there have been some
extensions that haven't been haven't been matched. Of course, we
can look it all in as a million different things,
if you will. Let's start with Dak Prescott, right, there's
some talk about Dak Prescott extension, yet they shot down
(12:04):
any Dak Prescott extension talks in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
To this point, how do you think they end up
with Dak this year?
Speaker 5 (12:12):
It's a great question because I think that there's a
real possibility that they go into season without a new deal,
and the Cowboys are in a team that really gets
steal done, especially big ones during the season, so the
clock is certainly ticking to week one to get this
thing done. But there's a part of me that thinks
that Jerry Jones is fine with letting Deck play out
this final year and then trying to negotiate with him
(12:32):
once the season's over. And obviously that's a really risky
thing to do. But if they were going to definitely
get it done, I think it would have been done
before free agency started, so they could make some more
moves and add some more pieces around. But I think
that Jerry's term of all in is I think he's
all in on this season that if things don't go
the way that he wants them to with them winning
the postseason, that's where you possibly move on from Dak Prescott,
(12:54):
possibly move on from the coaching staff, and you start
kind of over, which is, to be honest with you,
and Jerry Jones at his age would be willing to
do that.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It is surprising.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
On the other hand, there is the possibility that they
keep topping out with Dak right no matter how good
a leader he is, how he plays in the regular season.
Those two picks in the first half against the Packers
made it an impossible impossible task to come back. So
where do you think they are on dak as a
player in terms of his actual ceiling.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I think they believe he can they can win a
super Bowl with him. I think they feel like they
have to be able to put a lot of pieces
around still, and because of that, they want him to
take a team friendly type deal, at least that's what
they keep saying, so that they can be able to
resign CD Lamb and impossibly add other pieces around him.
And I know a lot of people will roll their
eyes at that, just because the Cowboys are a team
that generally spends very much in creagency on players outside
(13:45):
of the organization. So it's kind of like one of
those things where you wonder, Okay, so if you save
what they deck takes fifty million dollars a year, and
you save five or six or seven, what are you
going to do with that? And so that should be
questioned as well. But it seems like where they're at
right now is they want him to take a somewhat
team friendly deal, and if he's willing to do that,
then I think the extension absolutely gets done. If not,
(14:08):
they might wait and see how the season goes and
Let's say, you know, Dak carries them to the NFC
Championship game of the Super Bowl. Then I feel Jerry
will be like, well, then I'm fine giving him sixty million.
He's shown that he can do this, then we'll get
this contract done. But he's running a risk that even
if he doesn't want to give him sixty some other
team's going to give him that if not more.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Okay, they also have other contract issues. Ceedee Lamb one
of them. Like where are they with the other the
guys that want contract extensions.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, Lamb is the closest one to getting done like
that one. Surprise me if that got done with them
the next week. I don't see any way that doesn't
get done before the season starts. The way that I
think Jerry Jones and the front office look at is
they know what Ceed is, they know how how he trains,
they know where him and Dak are with the work
they do in the offseason. They're confident that he can
show up, you know, in another a week or two
(15:00):
from now, much like Zach Martin did last year, and
he'll be just fine. And so they're not as concerned
about that. But that will be the next contract it
gets done, and then with Michael Parsons, both Mike and
the Cowboys have said that's still a year away from
when they would negotiate that one. But you know, if
he has another season like he has these first three
years he's been in the league, you're looking at a
guy that's going to be making over thirty five million
dollars a year and probably be the highest paid non
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quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
John Michowa join us of course, covers the Cowboys for
the Athletic He joins in the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. John, help me out and help
me kind of clearly understand why. I don't know why
people think this team might be better than last year's team.
What about this team would be better than last year's team.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
That is wild for people to think that. I don't
see that at all. I think that they've gotten worse
at defensive tackle, and that was already an issue for
them last season. Now the addition of Mike Zimmer at
defensive coordinator will change some things, and maybe they'll get
better against the run from just some schematic standpoint, but
there's gonna be some question marks on the offensive line,
just because you're replacing two veterans and Tyler Biattish and
(16:06):
Tyron Smith with possibly two rookies. And while Tyler Goyden
has looked good out here in his work when he
has one with the first team, that's still asking a
lot of a kid to come in there and try
and replace Tyron Smith. So they're not better there. And
then they replaced Tony Poward with an aging Ezekiel Elliott,
so they're not better at running back either. You can
make the argument the only position where they might be better
(16:28):
at is that they added Eric Hendricks and that they're
going to get back to Marvin Overshown from knee injury,
so maybe they're better at linebacker. That's the only position group.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, last
thing you know comparison is the Thief of Joy. But
the Eagles are a team that they've had some success
with against in the regular season but obviously haven't matched up.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Didn't get to Super Bowl the way the Eagles did.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Going back to two years ago, Eagles add Saquon Barkley.
How important is keeping hey sue the Eagles to Jerry
Jones as opposed to the push in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
I still think he takes a back seat to the postseason.
Jerry would easily take them losing both games to the Eagles,
getting in as a wild card, getting hot at the
right time, and getting to the NFT championship game at
the Super Bowl. I think that would easily take a
back seat for him. It's still a two team rates
in the NFC East. I still think the Commanders and
Giants are a little bit, you know, at least a
step behind. I think it will come down those two teams.
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But there is a realistic possibility that the Cowboys don't
win twelve games for fourth consecutive season. Maybe they win
nine or ten. They're the wild card, but maybe they
get hot at the right time when maybe the expectations
are lower, and they make the run that they've been
missing for the last twenty eight years.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
John, you're the best man. Appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Thanks so much for stepping away and hopping on with
us here on Fox Sports Radio anytime.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Doug, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (18:00):
And now.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Every day, this time the Doug Gottlieb Show in the
Bonus Podcast, or bringing a portion of a previous show
on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick
talking about the NFL's new kickoff role.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
You had eight kickoffs and seven were returned. I'll take
it because the alternative is what nothing. They're not going
to go back to what they had before. They have
to have movement there. You still have to have the kickoff. Yes,
we have modifications to on sidekicks as well. Have to
be trailing fourth quarter and you'll have to announce that
(18:33):
you're going to have an on side kick. Okay, maybe
I don't know what the the you know, the percent
of success is going to be, but it'll be probably
below like three percent for these on side kicks. But
you got movement on the kickoff. I'm fine with that.
We just started. I don't know if I can complain
(18:54):
about anything. We had football last night. I'm okay, I'm
not going to be complaining today. I'm not going to
be a buzzkill.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
See, it feels like you put you put a football
play back where one had been taken out.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Sure, I have no problem with that whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
It can be wonky, but still I'm okay with them,
like it's good.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I still don't know exactly what it is, but it
was the one thing I watched for last night was Oh,
how are they gonna do the kick out? I think, oh, okay,
that's it's just very weird, very alarming, very jarring. But
if there's a playback there, that's what I think we want.
Let's not like, let's not just have kickoffs and waste
to play.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Here's our errant.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Any of this response to Mary Tumor's claim that Kayleb
Williams needs to earn the role as leader and not
tell veterans to pick up after themselves.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
I don't know how it became a story, you know,
I would say that that becomes an interesting dynamic apiece
of it, Like I don't want to be embarrassed by it,
you know what I mean? Like I don't want it
to become a story like, oh, Kayleb Williams told us
to clean up, clean up after ourselves. But nonetheless, the
message is the message and the clarity of building a standard.
(20:02):
If you have a number one draft pick that comes
in like he's supposed to just be submissive and be
a subordinate and not be seen or not be heard
from or this, that and the other. As as the
leadership role of quarterback on the team, like because he's
a rookie, I don't, I don't. I listen to MONI
(20:24):
is a very very bright dude, super dope dude. But
I got to say I fall on the other side
of this one. If somebody's coming in and they're setting
a tone and they're setting a standard, I mean, if
that's ray Lewis, are you saying the same thing, because
I can guarantee you ray Lewis came in day one
and he was the same dude that he was day
one that he was.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
The day that he left.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, I agree with that. It's like, look, if you're
gonna be a leader, you gotta be a leader right away.
You can't grow. You can grow into the amount of
respect you have, but you can't just all of a
sudden show up like next year and decide you're gonna
have a leadership voice.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I agree on that. Here's Paul Pierce talking about Anthony Davis.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
The most important player in all of this has to
be Anthony Davis. I feel like he's the backbone of
the defense.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Like offensively, you can go to a number of guys.
It's gonna be somebody different every night. But I just
feel like Anthony Davis changes the game. Every time he starts,
comes off the bench, or plays, he changes the game.
And he started last game and I don't know if
he'll start again. But you can see a major defense
(21:31):
difference in the interior when guys get to the basket.
I mean, he just doesn't allow it. He's blocking shots.
He doesn't need the ball. He fits perfectly with the
starting unit because the difference between him and Joel Ebiid
is Jolan bed when you're playing with Steph Durant, a
Booker and Lebron, these guys need the ball and had
their scores and so as in BD he needs the ball,
(21:54):
you need to feed him the ball. Well, Anthony Davis,
you do not have to do that. He's a utility guy,
he said screen. He back picks, he rolls to the basket,
he catch his lobs, he gets offensive rebounds. So he
fits perfectly with those guys around him, and that's why
it looks totally different.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Hmmm.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think he's really important, But I don't think he's
the most important guy on the team, because when you
get to the highest level of international basketball, the truth
is that at that moment, that's when you will get
That's when you get the true centers. And Anthony Davis
is not great at defending the true centers, like he
(22:32):
can't guard Yokich.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It doesn't work, doesn't work at all. That's what the
Fox said. Say, let's find out who what is annoying
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And now it's your.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Annoying, Doug. You're an Angels fan, or at least you
were until you moved to Green Bay. Mike Trout is
out for the season. That's annoying. I was annoyed when
he had a setback, I was annoyed when he went
on the DL, and now I'm annoyed that he's out
(23:10):
for the season. Mike Trout one of the greatest players
of our generation, and it's become really sad because he
was never able to play in any meaningful postseason games.
I know this isn't his eulogy, but it's a good
reminder that the Angels completely wasted one of the greatest
talents in the game.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, it's it is super sad. I mean, let's just
kind of call it like it is. It's very sad,
very disappointing, And yeah, I think the Angels wasted a
good portion of it. I'm not sure if I put
it all on them. Some of it is bad luck.
It's really more wasting the show, hey o Tani thing
than anything else. Yes, you wasted Mike Trout, but he's
(23:53):
been beaten up and injured so often. But to have
them both and not get anything out of it, and
then not get anything in trading for trading.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Him is also just just bizarre.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
How long was the tawny with the Angels? Was up
five or six years or whatever?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think it was four years.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I like to tell people that in fifty years, I
want the Angels legacy to be they had those two
guys never made the postseason. Six years, six years, Well done,
Sam steven A. Smith's been a subject of this segment
many times, and I'm just gonna play it and then
(24:31):
I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you, Doug, what annoys you
most about this? He's still still talking about Jason Tatum
not playing Game one.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
I got ten dudes in the world that I'm going
to put on the court before Jason Tatum, and it
ain't the game situation that.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
What evolved in with develop He told him before the game,
well you might not play. Yeah, I wouldn't have been
Tatum said, it was a humbling experience. I would not
have advertised.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
I'm not gonn support and Jason Tatum doing, but I
would not have blamed him if that brothers decided to
take a flight back to the States.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I'm serious. That's why Steven A.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Smith's never been in a basketball team. Not a teammate.
That's why you can't work with him. Not a teammate,
you know, That's why he hired Max Kellerman and then
got Max Kellerman run off the show like this is
who he is. He's incredibly selfish individual. He doesn't understand
it's team sport. They won the game by twenty six points.
(25:30):
You literally sound like the dumbest motherfucker ever. You sound
like you just you didn't watch the game. And what
Steve Kerr did was unbelievably professional, smart and by the way,
it's what they do in the NBA as well. And
then if you wondered, like, hey, why didn't the put
him in late, it's because he told him like, I'm
sure he asked him, Hey listen, if Katie gets it going,
(25:52):
like I'm just gonna go with that ten.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
He didn't have to like it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You're running a team. This is why Steven a can't
actually function in a team environment.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Not different.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
He's never played on a team. He doesn't get it,
doesn't understand you know, So that's okay, it's not for everybody.
You talk into your microphone, you do your oration stuff,
you talk about shit. You have no fucking idea about none, zero, zilt,
zip nada. Didn't Steve Kerr basically say the exact same thing, like, Hey,
(26:22):
these guys, they don't listen to social media, they don't
watch them, and all he's trying to do is pull
It's like, are you trying to plute the well?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So if you're, if you're, who, are you not going
to play? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
That's the that's the worst part about it, is like
it's just so disingenuous.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Oh you just gotta play him, Okay, so you canna
sit go ahead, who you sitting sitting?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Lebron Okay, maybe he wasn't great, had some turnovers, Okay, Bud,
he's still Lebron and he's Lebron and Lebron played pretty well,
just had turnovers. You're not gonna And the idea I'm
sure was see what kat has. Katie was basically pitching
a perfect game at halftime. When you offer no solutions
(27:10):
and you just point out something you to see a
problem when there wasn't really a problem. You just sound
like you're spitting in the wind. So keep spitting the wind.
It'll keep coming back in your face. That's annoying.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
What else I don't know. Uh, this was totally accidental,
but it's another it's another talent over at ESPN L Duncan.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, she's good, you know, well talented.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, and she's you know, she's I think she fancies
herself very in tune with the WNBA. She's like one
of the people that it's been telling us. I've been
here since day one. You a couple lately can't have
takes on it. But yes, this is what she said
the other day. She tweeted this out, and you tell
(27:51):
me what you think it sticks out On this tweet, Doug,
she says, I did the thing you weren't supposed to do.
I reacted to Cheryl swoops comments about Caitlin Clark based
on quotes pulled from for me by my producers in
the rundown. I should have listened to the show, same
thing I implored Kitlyn Clark fans to do when they
were attacking me a couple of months ago about hating
(28:14):
on her. I hate that I've sent more vitriol her direction,
and I'm taking the big l on this one. I've
texted Cheryl to say the same thing. Anything stick out
in that that tweet to you.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Doug wait, read it again to me.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I did the thing you weren't supposed to do. I
reacted to Cheryl Swoops comments about Kaitlyn Clark based on
quotes pulled for me by producers in the rundown.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
So she's throwing her producer's under the butt.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
It's funny. It's uh right, she's.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Throwing a producer so and and by she's admitting, my
my bad.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
They did it right, right.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It's it's like, it's it's a weird passive aggress of
like taken accountability for something, while at the very same time,
if my producers would have prepared me better, I wouldn't
be in this position. Yeah, I thought that was annoyed.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
She also said I'm taking the L on this one,
and you could easily put a pun in there.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
E L L E yeah, oh yeah, Oh I thought
you were going the other way, like I will take
the L word on this one.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
No, the L Duncan, I'm taking the L.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
What else?
Speaker 4 (29:32):
That's it? So Mike Trout being out for the season. L.
Duncan and Steven.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
L Duncan. L Duncan, I admit it. They screwed me
up because I didn't do the work. And oh yeah,
by the way, she wasn't wrong, wasn't wrong at all.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
L duncan.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
You why are we doing this.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Because we can?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Hey, Doug. Yes, Oscar de la Joya won a gold
medal in the Olympics in boxing. I think he has
a unique perspective on this hand. Io Sam reminded me
of this. He's a cross dresser, so I think he's
very suited to weigh in on the controversy from yesterday.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
Here is the IOC allowed this to happen, and it's
saying it's okay because they are females in their passports. Wait,
what are you kidding me? There is zero chance that
these fighters are evenly matched. It's impossible and it's scary,
it's disgusting, and it's unfair. I've lost all my respect
(30:40):
for the IOC. It's dangerous and someone will eventually get hurt.
It's truly insane, and I hate that we even have
to discuss it. I'm an Olympic gold medalist. I'm very
proud of that fact. It was the greatest accomplishment of
my entire career.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
So I have to ask, what in the fuck is
going on.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
There's a lot of people, myself included, who thought that
the Algerian fighter was transgender. She is not, okay, and
so obviously the chromosomal test will tell you one thing,
but there's also the gonatal test, as we all know, and.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
This one's a hard one. It just is.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
But I would point out that I think we're freaking
out over something that wasn't We can't necessarily freak out over.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Right, Like, am I wrong here? Jays too?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Like, I'm not exactly sure how you because females can
have X Y chromosomes and we've seen this in running.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
What's the I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
She's South African or Nigerian homage whatever, Samantic whatever, like
same thing, and obviously they've gotten a little bit more
lax with it, but like, I don't know how you
tackle this one, but we make the Olympicmmittee out to
be these bad people, and this one is hard.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
The waters have only gotten like more murkies since yesterday.
So there was the reaction to it, initial reaction that
we spoke about, and then detail started coming out about
exactly what this woman is and her background and there's
(32:23):
a relationship between the IOC and the IBA, and it's
it's very murky. But I will say this, Doug, we're
all we all have common sense. You and I both
have common sense. And when something that you see with
your own eyes and think about with your own brain
(32:44):
is confirmed by a test that there's an x Y
chromosome that matches what you're looking at. In other words, Doug,
I'm totally random. Example, Britney Griner, you could have your
opinion about what's going on there. We've seen her with
her like shirt off in the pool, we've heard her voice.
(33:06):
If she was to fail a gender test, would that
surprise you because it wouldn't surprise us because what we
see with our own eyes is confirmed by a test
by science. So it's like nothing has been confirmed or
unconfirmed since yesterday, the IOC is not going to result,
(33:27):
it's not going to be releasing results of any testing
they did to qualify her, so they're just kind of
there's zero transparency with what happened. So I don't know.
Nobody really knows what's going on, but there are factors
that are. We do know that she hit the shit
(33:47):
out of this woman who ended up quitting and later
apologized to the fighter. Again, it's just gotten more murky
since yesterday. It's ugly. Can I can I add something
real quick?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
This?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
How do you pranous?
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Her name emon Khalif a Khalif and mon calais mon Khalif.
She's lost six times to women, so she's not unbeatable.
She's not like some lab experiment. She's lost before. She's
she's not, she's she's flawed. And this this this Italian boxer,
you know she couldn't take the take the punches. So
(34:22):
I don't I don't know, I don't know. I think
this whole thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Did you see the video of the Italian boxer rolling
her ankle in like the European Championships? Have you seen
that one?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
No?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, she's done this before she's exited a fight early. Yeah, well,
maybe she's not cut out for the business.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Correct, correct?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I do think, Well it does gotten Murcury, it's far
less sinister from the Algerian Fighter and Khalifa and from
the IOC's perspective that it was twenty four hours ago,
no doubt.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
All Right, that's it for the inter Modes podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
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Is it three to five Eastern? Yeah, yeah, three to
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Speaker 3 (35:12):
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