August 9, 2024 • 31 mins
Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin reacting to the U.S. men's basketball team overcoming a 17-point 4th quarter deficit against Serbia to advance to the gold medal game. He defends Jerry Jones for his comments about contract negotiations with superstar WR CeeDee Lamb as he holds out from training camp to secure a new deal. Plus Jason McIntyre joins the show to explain why Steve Kerr made a huge mistake not playing Jayson Tatum in USA's near disastrous loss to Serbia
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
What Up.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be, making this part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd
on a Friday. You ain't got nothing to do, ain
got no job. No one gets tired in your day off.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
You ever watch this sporting event and you're like, I'm
tired as if I played in that sporting event. You
ever did that like a really good and we're getting
for football season? Right, you were like, oh, you watch
a I remember watching last year Colorado State, Colorado, and
I don't have a dog in the fight, not in
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any way, but the game was so good, it was
so hard hitting. Obviously Colorado State, you know, stepped over
the line a little bit a couple of their hits,
but there was a lot of trash talk. Just an
unbelievably fun and energetic football game. I remember turning it
off was late at night, and I was like, that
was awesome. But now I'm tired. I didn't do anything
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other than of my couch yesterday. And as I think
most of you know, I'm not the new head coach
at Wisconsin Green Bay. So I'm in my office and
I'm hosting my own show and the game is on
and I'm watching, and the game ends right about the
time my show ends. But I just and I went
back and watched it again. I was like, oh, I'm exhausted, exhausted,
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so pretty awesome game. There's not a basketball person I
know is like that wasn't a great game. That was
a Noah. Everyone says that was a great game. And
I think there's a lot to ingest there. There's a
lot to discuss in terms of this game. We can
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we can get to Steph Curry and the threes, we
can get to Serbia. But I think the most important
thing that you have to understand, and Steve Kerr gets this,
is that Foeba is not the NBA and is not
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college It is a different way of playing the sport
that many of you grew up thinking. You knew how
it was supposed to be played, how it was supposed
to be officiating, everything from how they call a charge
the basket interference rule. Like most Americans think that there's
no goaltending in peeboops, it's not true. There is goaltending.
The only placer's not is offensive goaltending. The balls on
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the cylinder, you can knock it in or knock it out.
Now if it's a free throw, and on the second
free throw you can knock it out defensively. But if
you tip a free throw and it goes in, they
actually get two points, not one. So that's again by rule.
But when you get caught up in Jason Tatum not playing,
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when you get caught up in why did they do
certain things, understand that watching international basketball and looking it
through the prism of the NBA is a mistake. It's
much like when you watch an NBA or NFL game
and you watch it through the prism of college football.
College basketball, Tommy Frasier is one of the greatest college
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quarterbacks ever. He could not play in the NFL, and
yet you know there there will always be people that
look at it, or you know there's the t bow
thing work for a short period of time, Well why
doesn't it work in the pros. It's a different game.
Hash Marks are different, that skill level of everybody around
you is different, physicality is different. But the rules being different,
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and the I mean here the perfect example is in
college football, you get around three to three and a
half yards you can block downfield in an RPO. In
the NFL it's a yard to maybe a yard and
a half max. That completely changes when you put that
ball in the bell off, you're running back and you
pull it out in terms of trying to read whether
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or not they're running the football, they're throwing the football.
In Foeba, there are no three second defense rules. There's
no defensive rules in terms of can you play zone,
can you play man or whatever. But there's also a
different way in which the game is officiated. All kinds
of bumping, bang and grabbing, holding, and then when a
guy drives, any sort of contact perceived or other wise
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usually ends up being in a foul. The travel rules
are evaluated differently and called differently. It's different. So when
you ask yourself, Okay, I understand there were four MVPs
on the floor in winning time for Team USA. Why
wasn't Jason Tatum? Why can't he even get a sniff?
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And the reality is what Steve Kerr is doing is
absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant. They played nine guys and Derek
White played seven minutes I think last night, So it's
really more of the eight guys eight and a half
because you just can't do it where you don't have
If you don't have the time with forty minutes, the stoppages,
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they don't call nearly as many fouls, there's not nearly
as many timeouts. All those things don't work the same. Additionally,
you have players who are taking on new roles playing
less minutes, like Kevin Durant coming off the bench and
come out the bench. Everard's NBA life. He's coming out
the bench now it's a different rhythm, and you got
to leave him in longer. And I understand. We look
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at this roster and you say to yourself, how can
a roster made up of four NBA regular season m vps,
all the all the championship stuff as well, how could you?
How could you possibly possibly not just beat the living
tar out of everybody, but you're playing a sport in
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a different way, it's officiated in a different way. It's
a different game. And betting obviously against Team USA in
terms of the line, it seems like a really easy bet.
But like we won by six, but we scored six
points in less than in less than four seconds, right,
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So it's not really indicative. If you watch that game.
We trailed the entire game. It took an incredible defensive efforts,
some incredible timely shot making, and even then he needed
one of the one of the Serbian players to fall
down on an offensive rebound, on a defensive rebound and travel.
Otherwise they have the ball with a chance to take
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the lead late, and it's fascinating. Like I listen to
our network all the time. I watched the other networks
as well, and how many people were critical of Joel
embiid Colin was. Colin said, he's just wasting our time,
taking up minutes. Shouldn't even be on this team, Am
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I correct? Like I do watch the same clips, I
do listen to the same show, and again I'm picking
out coin it is his show, but he's not the
only one. And my point on my show was this, Look,
you have the only radio host in the history of
national sports radio whose coach games internationally, whose coach games
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internationally Where you have twelve you're trying to get in,
you can really only play nine or ten. And who's
actually a coach right now who understands the nuances? And
oh yeah, by the way, the difference in American rules,
NBA rules and college rules. This is what you got.
So what I'm telling you now you can write down
his law. We were not winning a gold medal. I
could have told you this before last night, and I did.
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I said this repeatedly. We're not winning without him beat
and beat is there for a reason. The last time
we played Serbia, even though we won handily in pool play,
the game, the plus minus was zero with Nikola Jokicic
in the game. We needed somebody who had that type
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of body, who could guard him, man up, who could
also go at him in the post to wear him
down some, and could score at his level, and if
he helped off, could make him pay. We did all
those things, and so so many of you wanted Steve
Kerr to bail on his strategy of how he was
using embiid And what do you know when the third
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time they play Serbia, we don't have a chance if
Joel Embie doesn't play, because in the international competition you
have to guard true centers. You have to have that
immovable object inside. If you want to win a World Cup,
if you want to win a European Cup, if you
want to win a world title. In the Olympics, you
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have to contend for the fact that you're gonna have
to play Phoeba style basketball and you're gonna have to
defend Nikola Jokic in the low post. And unless you
can do that, don't count yourself as a guarantee winner.
So I guess this is me hopping on the radio
saying I didn't have to say I told you so,
but Steve Kersher did. I'm sure you all think it's
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super easy. You have NBA all starts, just roll it out.
They played together, like did you notice that Lebron James
didn't try and go one on one in the fourth
quarter that he was just facilitating. And at the end
of the game when they need a bucket, they gave
the ball to Kevin Durant, who played okay until the
fourth quarter. He got guys to buy into the roles
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that they're needed to to play. That's what that's what
coaching really, really really is. And Kerr nailed it. And
so many of you said, get rid of Joel Embiid.
We don't win yesterday without him. Heck, Steph Curry wasn't
particularly good until yesterday. And oh yeah, by the way,
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now you play France, which is gonna be a really
hard game on the road, incredible hostile environment, talented team,
and a team that has played FOBA basketball lot more
than us. And the fact that you're gonna have Joel
Embiid fully rested actually ends up being a excuse me.
Jason Tatum being fully arrested actually ends up being a
benefit to you. But you have to start with the
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premise that it's different than the NBA, completely different. So
all the awards and accolades, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
Russell Westbrook is a terrible international international player. He's been
and I know now he's not, but he's been a
multi time MVP, averaged a triple double three consecutive years.
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You would think, based upon those stats he'd be great
in few basketball. He'd be terrible, just can't shoot. And
as much as he seems like he plays great defense,
he's bad on switches and in terms of communication. And
if you can't switch and guarden in the post, you
can't play. They've been hiding Steph Curry all tournament long,
and only yesterday where they're modestly successful the defensive end.
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And that was because and that was because that was
really because of the time in the situation. So I'm
not sitting here telling you that Steve curR is God incarnate,
but he knows a whole hell of a lot more
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than all of us do, and especially frankly, all of
you do. Unless you've played or coached all star level
players where you have twelve of them where you can
realize forty minute game, you can't play twelve guys. Nobody
can get the rhythm, nobody's happy, nothing works, whereas some
guys have to play through it. Kevin Durant, for example,
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didn't play particularly nearly as well in the first half,
so he plays Jason Tatum. Then you don't have Kevin
Durant rock and roll and ready to go and hit
that at game winning shot. So to me, the takeaways are,
don't win without embiid. Steph was finally waiting for a
break loose game and that was the game that he
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ended up. And I think a lot of it was
because embiids in the game, So that means Joe Kich
is in the game, and when Yokich is in the game,
he doesn't come out and cover on screen actions and
that was one of the thing that fort freedop Steph
Curry and the nine and a half man rotation absolutely worked.
I don't think they play as well in the fourth
quarter if they play more guys in the first three quarters.
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All right, coming up next here in the Herd, we'll
give you the latest on Brandon Ayuk. Is he gonna
play for the Niners? Are you're gonna send him? Send
them a different team? And when is this all gonna
come to a conclusion.
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What Up.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Welcome in This is the Herd, wherever you may be
and however you may be making as part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug golly be in for Colin
Cowherd So how are things going with the Cowboys now?
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Reportedly in Oxnard, where the Cowboys are trained for years,
there's small crowds, if even more gatherings. In terms of
their fan base, now, there's a lot you can attest to.
I mean, the first thing is that the Rams camp
is in Orange County. The Chargers are now in Los Angeles.
They moved, you know, they moved to their new facility,
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which is actually in El Segundo in Los Angeles County.
So the Cowboys used to be the one team to
stick their flag in the ground in southern California, and
they were still the Cowboys, so they were super popular.
I think some of it is the popularity of those
other two teams the proximity tip put, but a lot
of it is I think even Cowboy fans are like,
don't tell me you're pregnant, show me the baby. And
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they've been really close. They put together consistent double digit
win seasons. But the collapse against the Green Bay Packers
last year in the playoffs, the two untimely interceptions by
Dak in that first half, I mean, look, you lose
to a team whose defense is so bad that ultimately
they fired their defensive coordinator. You know, what do you
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what do you do? So there's a lot of questions
about Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Drones. You know, I don't
know if he I don't know if he intentionally tried
to get everybody's attention. I mean, I'm guessing he did.
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Here was Jerry Jones asked yesterday about Ceedee Lamb's negotiations.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I went to oscar or I went to college on
I don't want to say it, but I'm just saying
I have a sense I heard say about getting that dun't.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Take any reason.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You won't.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
See all the laugh and all the yuck yuck and
all the all the chuckling. Here's John Middlekoff last hour
talk about Ceedee Lambsteeal.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
You know you're going to pay them, But these contracts
of one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty guaranteed
for a non quarterback are just typically pretty tough, and
there's a lot of back and forth. But eventually these
teams sign it. The number is going to be astronomical.
Why not get them into camp right now and make
sure he's in shape and ready to roll.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I think that if we can admit a couple of things. Right.
There will be people that will always say, well, you know,
Jerry Jones shouldn't be the GM of the Dallas Cowboys
and shouldn't have his family making decisions. You may be right,
but no one I know has said, hey, the Cowboys
don't have good players. Haven't drafted goo players. There's been
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a good job evaluating drafted players. Ceedee Lamb one of them. Well,
the Cowboys did a bad job of last time around.
Was the pecking order of deals getting done and when
they were getting done. It's all a big math equation.
What do you do with Dak Prescott? If you redo
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Dak Prescott's deal, Yes, you save money on the cap
this year, but then you mean that makes it where
Dak Prescott has to be your quarterback next year? And
I'm not sure they're totally convinced of that. Is he
a great leader?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Is he a good player? Okay? But how many times
do you have to get the playoffs and San Francisco
two years ago, Packers last year? He's just not good enough.
So you have MICAEH. Parsons, you have Ceedee Lamb, you
have Dak Prescott, and whether or not there's urgency or not.
The timing of it is really interesting whose deal gets
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done first, when it gets done, and how it gets done.
And I would love it if Jerry Jones drew a
hard and fast, fast line in the sand. All he's
saying is what anybody should be saying. Look, he's under contract.
There's really no time have to be negotiate. We don't
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have to do anything. Anything we do is out of
the goodness of our hearts. Are managing the cap in
years to come. Everything else is all budgeted for.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think all of us know that ultimately Jerry is
going to relent. Jerry is going to sign CD Lamb
to a long term, big money contract. But the timing
of it and being pushed into it doesn't always mean
that it's the right time for the team. Like the
things you can count on is no matter how hard
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you think. Now, how hard do you think Jerry Jones
is going to hold firm on a stance of keeping
contracts low or whatever he says. No one actually thinks
he won't sign CEED Lamb to a long term, big
money contract because it really is a win win. CD
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gets his money and Jerry and Steven Jones get to
say see we drafted another guy that's the highest paidlayer
in the league a position, and I don't think people
would push back on that for CD Lamb. But his
no urgency to me signifies nothing he's saying is wrong.
Everybody knows he's going to be signed, and it's more
about who's in the pecking order, who gets their deal
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done first, and how they manage leaving money and having
the ability to sign to sign Dak in the future
if they want to. If they want to, I can't
see them not wanting to, because that's what the Cowboys do.
But fascinating bit of sound. And oh yeah, by the way,
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CD Lamb took to social media and put on his
was on ig or on I think it was on Twitter.
He put lol when he heard it was on Twitter,
and then when Dak was done with his press conference,
he said, listen, I know you're gonna ask me about it.
I think signing CD is urgent as well. But Jerry's
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saying there's no urgency doesn't mean there's no urgency. It
just mean what he's saying is in fact true. They
do hold the cards, will they use them? Probably not?
But the truth is the ceedee Lamb isn't a free
agent for not just this year, but could be for
the next, couldn't be for the next three years if
they don't want to. What's the purpose that happened to
collective Barton agreement unless you actually use the collective Barton agreement?
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All right? Coming up next in the Herd, I'm Doug
Gottlieb feeling in for Colin mark Stein's gonna join us.
Just how big was that win for USA basketball? How
does Jason Tatum actually feel about not playing? And what inferences?
What can we what can we take from how that
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game played out to understand the dynamics of this team?
What can we take from it? We'll get into all
that next. I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is the Herd.
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Welcome in obviously live in Central time zone. Now I
wake up every day. I got Dan Patrick into Colin
into my show. And I think most people know not
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just of Jason actually obviously on the show, but also
his straight Fire podcast. I happened to Crank Up because
I was up really early this morning the Crank the
Straight Fire podcast, and I heard Jason McIntyre once again
railing on Steve Kerk for not playing Jason Tatum. Well,
because he's such a regular part. He's, you know, part
of the show. I thought, you know, maybe he's on vacation,
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maybe he's got his phone off. He didn't. He wants
to join us little debate, little Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind it the
very last segment. It's time for Best for Last.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
All right, let's welcome in. He's Jason McIntyre, co host
of The Herd but also the host of the Straight
Fire podcast, and Jason, I'll give you the floor. What
pray telted Steve Kurd do wrong yesterday in there come
back from a seventeen point deficit win.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Well, let me start by congratulating you on the new
coaching gig. I mean I've texted you about it, but
I haven't actually spoken to you. Dude.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Congrats, that's amazing, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
So now let me blast Steve Kerr real quick. So
first of all, Steve Kerr did not bring them back
from down seventeen. Okay, Steph Curry, Lebron and EMBIID did.
Steve Kerr actually, you could argue helped dig them that
hole by his clunky rotations. And you could see this coming, Doug.
You know hoops as well as anybody. EMBIID is going
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to get attacked and the drop coverage relentlessly. Teams are
going to attack Steph Curry and call for the switch
and go after him. There was an option multiple times
to get Jason Tatum in there and go big. Ultimately,
Kerr finally capitulated and went with Kevin Durant Lebron mbid
a bigger lineup. He's been playing a lot of three
guard looks and there were multiple options, like dude, put
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Tatum in. Anthony Edwards is a turnover machine. He's struggling
some of these younger I mean, bam Outebayo's taking corner threes.
Bro this aint Puerto Rico. Okay, this is like down
fifteen against Serbia with one of the best players in
the world and nicolea Jokic. I just thought Steve Kerr
had a brutal performance.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I didn't get on his case as much earlier.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
In the in the Olympics for not playing Tatum. I
got it, but there were multiple options for him to
play Tatum at the two, the three. Hell before they
had a lot of options.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Doug, I was just disappointed, and okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Let me let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me help, let me, let me help you, Let
me help you. Does Jason Tatum rebound.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Jason Tatum rebound as well as anybody led the Celtics
and rebounds in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Does Jason Tatum rebound?
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Does Jason Tatum guard the post? Does Jason Tatum guard guards?
Does Jason Tatum do anything other than score? And has
Jason Tatum been playing efficiently? Okay, again, you're telling, you're
saying you should, you're you're you were saying he should
first take out Joel Embiid and Steph Curry because he
knew what was coming. If not for Joel Embiid and
Steph Curry, you have no chance yesterday, none, no, no,
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And you have to have Lebron in there. Okay, because
Lebron Okay, but but why Okay. One, he's a cable
shooter too. He's played without an ego and not trying
to go one on one.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Three.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Most importantly, he's physical and he's rebounding. And it's a
different sport than the NBA. It's different, and you can't
just go and start start getting guys off of the
bench and just start wheeling them. You just okay, so
it's a forty minute game. You're like, don't play Anthony Edwards,
he barely played. No, no, no, don't play struggling.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
When they were playing, they struggled, and that was the
opportunity to get Tatum. And listen, Bogdanovitch is out here
looking like an All NBA player, looking.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Like a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Nobody could defend him. They were getting the Switches drew Holiday.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Match up with Joki.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
It was an annihilation. There were opportunities to get Tatum
into defend. Listen, man, I'll take Tatum against Bogdanovic any
day of the week, as would you, but nobody could.
None of the guards I.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Would not take. I would not take it. I would
not take him in an international game ahead of Bogdanovich.
That's the part that you don't understand. Like I'm not
I'm not in any way trying to sound condescending, but
it's gonna sound condescending. You've never actually even seen an
international game played live, let alone played or coached in one.
It's a completely different sport. And while bog Don Bogdanovitch
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in the NBA, it's a complete mismatch him versus Jason Tatum.
This ain't the NBA, dude, It's not so what you're saying.
What you're saying is from your chair in and I
don't know where you are in California. Know you travel
a ton and you have a great time your kids.
From your chair, you know more about what a team
needs and what a team fits and what they need
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than Steve Kerr, who's he's not just evaluating based on
this game, you do.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Steve Kerr has.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
What five rings as a coach and like another five
as a player.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I mean, you know me, I coach my kids in sports.
We got chips, I got the men's league team in LA.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
We now listen. It doesn't mean it doesn't. It doesn't
mean he's It doesn't mean he he's impervious to criticism. Okay,
it doesn't. It doesn't. But I think what Anthony Edwards
struggle with is the same thing that Jason Tatum struggles with,
which is like, again, you're used to being the guy.
You're used to being able to have a volume of shots,
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and if you missed your first five, it doesn't matter
you make your next five. You don't have that international competition.
You don't. You're playing in a completely different style. The
officiating is different, the plays. More than anything, you're not
the focal point and he is.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
The defenses are different, the rules are different, the basketball
is different. We know all that, Doug. What we do
don't know is why Tatum wasn't playing. And frankly, if
I'm Jason Tatum and you know, the Olympics are like, hey, sorry,
we didn't play you a lot. You're our centerpiece for
twenty twenty eight. I would tell him, ay Man, half off,
No thanks, I don't need this again.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Cool, they don't play, well, we'll find We'll find twelve
guys who do want to play. You do want to
play for our country.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
And you know what, this is a scary thing, Doug
Steve Kurr needed to rely on the KG veterans to
bring him back in and save his hide. Okay, it
is very interesting going to twenty eight because all those
guys are gonna be gone. I don't think he needs back.
I can't imagine Embid's gonna be back now. Lebron Durant Curry.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Like, whoa, where are we gonna turn?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You've got to get.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Tatum in there to usher in the next era. You're
telling me you couldn't find ten minutes for him, Doug,
that's a that's an abomination.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
No, because if you have ten minutes, then whose minutes
are you shrinking? Then you're gonna you're gonna playhim ten minutes.
You think you're really gonna get something out of guy?
So tell me where the Yes, Derek White's a point
guard who can guard five positions. Okay, Jason Tatum is it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
In any positions? Against Serbia?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He was not.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
He could not.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Now, I know Derek White not a really right in
the Olympics, but the Serbia game was extremely physical, Doug. Yes,
and Jason Tatum is more built for that with his
length than a Derek Whit.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
You're you're you're just you're you're taking it. You're taking
it like it's fantasy basketball. You're like, oh, he's a
little bit taller. Okay, so he's got to be his length.
He's like an inch taller than Derek White. The big
thing is this, Okay, Derek White doesn't need the ball
to be effective. He doesn't, Okay, Jason Tatum needs the ball.
Hold on, let me finish, Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum needs
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the basketball to be effective. Okay. And again, you're viewing
the sport from the prism of I'm an NBA fan.
I've watched the NBA. I know he's better than bug
Dog Bugdanovich. He is in the NBA totally different sport,
totally different gamey and based my and my guess is,
my guess is that he's gotten his butt kicked and
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really struggle with the mentality of playing as one of
the guys. It might not be for him, and that's okay, right.
I Mean, the perfect example is Damian Lillard. Last time
came into the Olympics and he was considered one of
the elite guards. He was terrible with the Olympic team. Why.
It's a different sport and it's not based around one guy.
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You got to be a catch and shoot shooter. You
got to be able to guard with great physicality, play
without the basketball. That none of those things are what
Jason Tatum does. And that doesn't mean he's not going
to be player in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Now, that's just embarrassing. Come on, Doug, you know Tatum
can play off the ball. He's fine not being I mean,
tell Jalen Brown was the MVP of the finals taking
what what?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Why? Why was that? What? Why was that?
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Tatum let him in points, rebounds and assist?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
No, did Tatum? Did Tatum have a good finals? Did
Tatum have a good finals? He did?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
He?
Speaker 6 (30:24):
I don't know. Let me start a here.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
He led the Celtics and points, rebounds, in assists.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Is that a good finals?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
No, he didn't have a good finals.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Nobody would say in the entire postseason in point three bounds,
in assist I didn't.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I didn't ask about. I didn't. I didn't ask about
I didn't ask about the playoffs. Okay, I asked about
the finals.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, in the finals he led them in assists and rebounds,
end points.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So is that good?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Was he the MVP?
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, come on, man was on him a little
too much?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
No, No, I'm just I'm just being honest. Like, I
think he's a really, really talented scorer. I think he
say he'd never take he's like Kobe and that he
never takes an easy shot. Every shot is a difficult shot. Okay.
His stats in the finals, he wasn't good. Okay, he
wasn't good. There's just you can't convince me otherwise, right,
I mean he had he had two games, which one
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he's eleven of twenty six. One he's eleven of twenty four. Right.
This is a guy that's used this, okay, and that's
what he does. He's a score that's his job. His
job is to score.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
But he also scored and facilitates. He led the team
and assists not only in the finals, but in the
entire playoffs. He's a great rosters stop stopping.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
He's a great passer. Stop stop, stop stop that. He's
a great passer stop Jason. It's a different sport, okay,
in international basketball from the NBA. That's Jason McIntyre. You
can hear him daily. That's our best. For last, I'm
Doug Gottlieb. Have yourself a great weekend.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
What Up.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be, making this part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd
on a Friday. You ain't got nothing to do, ain
got no job. No one gets tired in your day off.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
You ever watch this sporting event and you're like, I'm
tired as if I played in that sporting event. You
ever did that like a really good and we're getting
for football season? Right, you were like, oh, you watch
a I remember watching last year Colorado State, Colorado, and
I don't have a dog in the fight, not in
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any way, but the game was so good, it was
so hard hitting. Obviously Colorado State, you know, stepped over
the line a little bit a couple of their hits,
but there was a lot of trash talk. Just an
unbelievably fun and energetic football game. I remember turning it
off was late at night, and I was like, that
was awesome. But now I'm tired. I didn't do anything
(01:33):
other than of my couch yesterday. And as I think
most of you know, I'm not the new head coach
at Wisconsin Green Bay. So I'm in my office and
I'm hosting my own show and the game is on
and I'm watching, and the game ends right about the
time my show ends. But I just and I went
back and watched it again. I was like, oh, I'm exhausted, exhausted,
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so pretty awesome game. There's not a basketball person I
know is like that wasn't a great game. That was
a Noah. Everyone says that was a great game. And
I think there's a lot to ingest there. There's a
lot to discuss in terms of this game. We can
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we can get to Steph Curry and the threes, we
can get to Serbia. But I think the most important
thing that you have to understand, and Steve Kerr gets this,
is that Foeba is not the NBA and is not
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college It is a different way of playing the sport
that many of you grew up thinking. You knew how
it was supposed to be played, how it was supposed
to be officiating, everything from how they call a charge
the basket interference rule. Like most Americans think that there's
no goaltending in peeboops, it's not true. There is goaltending.
The only placer's not is offensive goaltending. The balls on
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the cylinder, you can knock it in or knock it out.
Now if it's a free throw, and on the second
free throw you can knock it out defensively. But if
you tip a free throw and it goes in, they
actually get two points, not one. So that's again by rule.
But when you get caught up in Jason Tatum not playing,
(03:29):
when you get caught up in why did they do
certain things, understand that watching international basketball and looking it
through the prism of the NBA is a mistake. It's
much like when you watch an NBA or NFL game
and you watch it through the prism of college football.
College basketball, Tommy Frasier is one of the greatest college
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quarterbacks ever. He could not play in the NFL, and
yet you know there there will always be people that
look at it, or you know there's the t bow
thing work for a short period of time, Well why
doesn't it work in the pros. It's a different game.
Hash Marks are different, that skill level of everybody around
you is different, physicality is different. But the rules being different,
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and the I mean here the perfect example is in
college football, you get around three to three and a
half yards you can block downfield in an RPO. In
the NFL it's a yard to maybe a yard and
a half max. That completely changes when you put that
ball in the bell off, you're running back and you
pull it out in terms of trying to read whether
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or not they're running the football, they're throwing the football.
In Foeba, there are no three second defense rules. There's
no defensive rules in terms of can you play zone,
can you play man or whatever. But there's also a
different way in which the game is officiated. All kinds
of bumping, bang and grabbing, holding, and then when a
guy drives, any sort of contact perceived or other wise
(05:01):
usually ends up being in a foul. The travel rules
are evaluated differently and called differently. It's different. So when
you ask yourself, Okay, I understand there were four MVPs
on the floor in winning time for Team USA. Why
wasn't Jason Tatum? Why can't he even get a sniff?
(05:22):
And the reality is what Steve Kerr is doing is
absolutely brilliant, absolutely brilliant. They played nine guys and Derek
White played seven minutes I think last night, So it's
really more of the eight guys eight and a half
because you just can't do it where you don't have
If you don't have the time with forty minutes, the stoppages,
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they don't call nearly as many fouls, there's not nearly
as many timeouts. All those things don't work the same. Additionally,
you have players who are taking on new roles playing
less minutes, like Kevin Durant coming off the bench and
come out the bench. Everard's NBA life. He's coming out
the bench now it's a different rhythm, and you got
to leave him in longer. And I understand. We look
(06:12):
at this roster and you say to yourself, how can
a roster made up of four NBA regular season m vps,
all the all the championship stuff as well, how could you?
How could you possibly possibly not just beat the living
tar out of everybody, but you're playing a sport in
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a different way, it's officiated in a different way. It's
a different game. And betting obviously against Team USA in
terms of the line, it seems like a really easy bet.
But like we won by six, but we scored six
points in less than in less than four seconds, right,
(06:58):
So it's not really indicative. If you watch that game.
We trailed the entire game. It took an incredible defensive efforts,
some incredible timely shot making, and even then he needed
one of the one of the Serbian players to fall
down on an offensive rebound, on a defensive rebound and travel.
Otherwise they have the ball with a chance to take
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the lead late, and it's fascinating. Like I listen to
our network all the time. I watched the other networks
as well, and how many people were critical of Joel
embiid Colin was. Colin said, he's just wasting our time,
taking up minutes. Shouldn't even be on this team, Am
(07:42):
I correct? Like I do watch the same clips, I
do listen to the same show, and again I'm picking
out coin it is his show, but he's not the
only one. And my point on my show was this, Look,
you have the only radio host in the history of
national sports radio whose coach games internationally, whose coach games
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internationally Where you have twelve you're trying to get in,
you can really only play nine or ten. And who's
actually a coach right now who understands the nuances? And
oh yeah, by the way, the difference in American rules,
NBA rules and college rules. This is what you got.
So what I'm telling you now you can write down
his law. We were not winning a gold medal. I
could have told you this before last night, and I did.
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I said this repeatedly. We're not winning without him beat
and beat is there for a reason. The last time
we played Serbia, even though we won handily in pool play,
the game, the plus minus was zero with Nikola Jokicic
in the game. We needed somebody who had that type
(08:48):
of body, who could guard him, man up, who could
also go at him in the post to wear him
down some, and could score at his level, and if
he helped off, could make him pay. We did all
those things, and so so many of you wanted Steve
Kerr to bail on his strategy of how he was
using embiid And what do you know when the third
(09:09):
time they play Serbia, we don't have a chance if
Joel Embie doesn't play, because in the international competition you
have to guard true centers. You have to have that
immovable object inside. If you want to win a World Cup,
if you want to win a European Cup, if you
want to win a world title. In the Olympics, you
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have to contend for the fact that you're gonna have
to play Phoeba style basketball and you're gonna have to
defend Nikola Jokic in the low post. And unless you
can do that, don't count yourself as a guarantee winner.
So I guess this is me hopping on the radio
saying I didn't have to say I told you so,
but Steve Kersher did. I'm sure you all think it's
(09:55):
super easy. You have NBA all starts, just roll it out.
They played together, like did you notice that Lebron James
didn't try and go one on one in the fourth
quarter that he was just facilitating. And at the end
of the game when they need a bucket, they gave
the ball to Kevin Durant, who played okay until the
fourth quarter. He got guys to buy into the roles
(10:16):
that they're needed to to play. That's what that's what
coaching really, really really is. And Kerr nailed it. And
so many of you said, get rid of Joel Embiid.
We don't win yesterday without him. Heck, Steph Curry wasn't
particularly good until yesterday. And oh yeah, by the way,
(10:37):
now you play France, which is gonna be a really
hard game on the road, incredible hostile environment, talented team,
and a team that has played FOBA basketball lot more
than us. And the fact that you're gonna have Joel
Embiid fully rested actually ends up being a excuse me.
Jason Tatum being fully arrested actually ends up being a
benefit to you. But you have to start with the
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premise that it's different than the NBA, completely different. So
all the awards and accolades, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
Russell Westbrook is a terrible international international player. He's been
and I know now he's not, but he's been a
multi time MVP, averaged a triple double three consecutive years.
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You would think, based upon those stats he'd be great
in few basketball. He'd be terrible, just can't shoot. And
as much as he seems like he plays great defense,
he's bad on switches and in terms of communication. And
if you can't switch and guarden in the post, you
can't play. They've been hiding Steph Curry all tournament long,
and only yesterday where they're modestly successful the defensive end.
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And that was because and that was because that was
really because of the time in the situation. So I'm
not sitting here telling you that Steve curR is God incarnate,
but he knows a whole hell of a lot more
(12:05):
than all of us do, and especially frankly, all of
you do. Unless you've played or coached all star level
players where you have twelve of them where you can
realize forty minute game, you can't play twelve guys. Nobody
can get the rhythm, nobody's happy, nothing works, whereas some
guys have to play through it. Kevin Durant, for example,
(12:26):
didn't play particularly nearly as well in the first half,
so he plays Jason Tatum. Then you don't have Kevin
Durant rock and roll and ready to go and hit
that at game winning shot. So to me, the takeaways are,
don't win without embiid. Steph was finally waiting for a
break loose game and that was the game that he
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ended up. And I think a lot of it was
because embiids in the game, So that means Joe Kich
is in the game, and when Yokich is in the game,
he doesn't come out and cover on screen actions and
that was one of the thing that fort freedop Steph
Curry and the nine and a half man rotation absolutely worked.
I don't think they play as well in the fourth
quarter if they play more guys in the first three quarters.
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All right, coming up next here in the Herd, we'll
give you the latest on Brandon Ayuk. Is he gonna
play for the Niners? Are you're gonna send him? Send
them a different team? And when is this all gonna
come to a conclusion.
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What Up.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Welcome in This is the Herd, wherever you may be
and however you may be making as part of your day.
Thanks so much. I'm Doug golly be in for Colin
Cowherd So how are things going with the Cowboys now?
(13:55):
Reportedly in Oxnard, where the Cowboys are trained for years,
there's small crowds, if even more gatherings. In terms of
their fan base, now, there's a lot you can attest to.
I mean, the first thing is that the Rams camp
is in Orange County. The Chargers are now in Los Angeles.
They moved, you know, they moved to their new facility,
(14:19):
which is actually in El Segundo in Los Angeles County.
So the Cowboys used to be the one team to
stick their flag in the ground in southern California, and
they were still the Cowboys, so they were super popular.
I think some of it is the popularity of those
other two teams the proximity tip put, but a lot
of it is I think even Cowboy fans are like,
don't tell me you're pregnant, show me the baby. And
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they've been really close. They put together consistent double digit
win seasons. But the collapse against the Green Bay Packers
last year in the playoffs, the two untimely interceptions by
Dak in that first half, I mean, look, you lose
to a team whose defense is so bad that ultimately
they fired their defensive coordinator. You know, what do you
(15:07):
what do you do? So there's a lot of questions
about Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Drones. You know, I don't
know if he I don't know if he intentionally tried
to get everybody's attention. I mean, I'm guessing he did.
(15:30):
Here was Jerry Jones asked yesterday about Ceedee Lamb's negotiations.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I went to oscar or I went to college on
I don't want to say it, but I'm just saying
I have a sense I heard say about getting that dun't.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Take any reason.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You won't.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
See all the laugh and all the yuck yuck and
all the all the chuckling. Here's John Middlekoff last hour
talk about Ceedee Lambsteeal.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
You know you're going to pay them, But these contracts
of one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty guaranteed
for a non quarterback are just typically pretty tough, and
there's a lot of back and forth. But eventually these
teams sign it. The number is going to be astronomical.
Why not get them into camp right now and make
sure he's in shape and ready to roll.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I think that if we can admit a couple of things. Right.
There will be people that will always say, well, you know,
Jerry Jones shouldn't be the GM of the Dallas Cowboys
and shouldn't have his family making decisions. You may be right,
but no one I know has said, hey, the Cowboys
don't have good players. Haven't drafted goo players. There's been
(16:43):
a good job evaluating drafted players. Ceedee Lamb one of them. Well,
the Cowboys did a bad job of last time around.
Was the pecking order of deals getting done and when
they were getting done. It's all a big math equation.
What do you do with Dak Prescott? If you redo
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Dak Prescott's deal, Yes, you save money on the cap
this year, but then you mean that makes it where
Dak Prescott has to be your quarterback next year? And
I'm not sure they're totally convinced of that. Is he
a great leader?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Is he a good player? Okay? But how many times
do you have to get the playoffs and San Francisco
two years ago, Packers last year? He's just not good enough.
So you have MICAEH. Parsons, you have Ceedee Lamb, you
have Dak Prescott, and whether or not there's urgency or not.
The timing of it is really interesting whose deal gets
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done first, when it gets done, and how it gets done.
And I would love it if Jerry Jones drew a
hard and fast, fast line in the sand. All he's
saying is what anybody should be saying. Look, he's under contract.
There's really no time have to be negotiate. We don't
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have to do anything. Anything we do is out of
the goodness of our hearts. Are managing the cap in
years to come. Everything else is all budgeted for.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I think all of us know that ultimately Jerry is
going to relent. Jerry is going to sign CD Lamb
to a long term, big money contract. But the timing
of it and being pushed into it doesn't always mean
that it's the right time for the team. Like the
things you can count on is no matter how hard
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you think. Now, how hard do you think Jerry Jones
is going to hold firm on a stance of keeping
contracts low or whatever he says. No one actually thinks
he won't sign CEED Lamb to a long term, big
money contract because it really is a win win. CD
(18:53):
gets his money and Jerry and Steven Jones get to
say see we drafted another guy that's the highest paidlayer
in the league a position, and I don't think people
would push back on that for CD Lamb. But his
no urgency to me signifies nothing he's saying is wrong.
Everybody knows he's going to be signed, and it's more
about who's in the pecking order, who gets their deal
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done first, and how they manage leaving money and having
the ability to sign to sign Dak in the future
if they want to. If they want to, I can't
see them not wanting to, because that's what the Cowboys do.
But fascinating bit of sound. And oh yeah, by the way,
(19:36):
CD Lamb took to social media and put on his
was on ig or on I think it was on Twitter.
He put lol when he heard it was on Twitter,
and then when Dak was done with his press conference,
he said, listen, I know you're gonna ask me about it.
I think signing CD is urgent as well. But Jerry's
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saying there's no urgency doesn't mean there's no urgency. It
just mean what he's saying is in fact true. They
do hold the cards, will they use them? Probably not?
But the truth is the ceedee Lamb isn't a free
agent for not just this year, but could be for
the next, couldn't be for the next three years if
they don't want to. What's the purpose that happened to
collective Barton agreement unless you actually use the collective Barton agreement?
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All right? Coming up next in the Herd, I'm Doug
Gottlieb feeling in for Colin mark Stein's gonna join us.
Just how big was that win for USA basketball? How
does Jason Tatum actually feel about not playing? And what inferences?
What can we what can we take from how that
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game played out to understand the dynamics of this team?
What can we take from it? We'll get into all
that next. I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is the Herd.
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Welcome in obviously live in Central time zone. Now I
wake up every day. I got Dan Patrick into Colin
into my show. And I think most people know not
(21:56):
just of Jason actually obviously on the show, but also
his straight Fire podcast. I happened to Crank Up because
I was up really early this morning the Crank the
Straight Fire podcast, and I heard Jason McIntyre once again
railing on Steve Kerk for not playing Jason Tatum. Well,
because he's such a regular part. He's, you know, part
of the show. I thought, you know, maybe he's on vacation,
(22:19):
maybe he's got his phone off. He didn't. He wants
to join us little debate, little Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind it the
very last segment. It's time for Best for Last.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
All right, let's welcome in. He's Jason McIntyre, co host
of The Herd but also the host of the Straight
Fire podcast, and Jason, I'll give you the floor. What
pray telted Steve Kurd do wrong yesterday in there come
back from a seventeen point deficit win.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Well, let me start by congratulating you on the new
coaching gig. I mean I've texted you about it, but
I haven't actually spoken to you. Dude.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Congrats, that's amazing, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
So now let me blast Steve Kerr real quick. So
first of all, Steve Kerr did not bring them back
from down seventeen. Okay, Steph Curry, Lebron and EMBIID did.
Steve Kerr actually, you could argue helped dig them that
hole by his clunky rotations. And you could see this coming, Doug.
You know hoops as well as anybody. EMBIID is going
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to get attacked and the drop coverage relentlessly. Teams are
going to attack Steph Curry and call for the switch
and go after him. There was an option multiple times
to get Jason Tatum in there and go big. Ultimately,
Kerr finally capitulated and went with Kevin Durant Lebron mbid
a bigger lineup. He's been playing a lot of three
guard looks and there were multiple options, like dude, put
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Tatum in. Anthony Edwards is a turnover machine. He's struggling
some of these younger I mean, bam Outebayo's taking corner threes.
Bro this aint Puerto Rico. Okay, this is like down
fifteen against Serbia with one of the best players in
the world and nicolea Jokic. I just thought Steve Kerr
had a brutal performance.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I didn't get on his case as much earlier.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
In the in the Olympics for not playing Tatum. I
got it, but there were multiple options for him to
play Tatum at the two, the three. Hell before they
had a lot of options.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Doug, I was just disappointed, and okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Let me let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me help, let me, let me help you, Let
me help you. Does Jason Tatum rebound.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Jason Tatum rebound as well as anybody led the Celtics
and rebounds in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Does Jason Tatum rebound?
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Does Jason Tatum guard the post? Does Jason Tatum guard guards?
Does Jason Tatum do anything other than score? And has
Jason Tatum been playing efficiently? Okay, again, you're telling, you're
saying you should, you're you're you were saying he should
first take out Joel Embiid and Steph Curry because he
knew what was coming. If not for Joel Embiid and
Steph Curry, you have no chance yesterday, none, no, no,
(24:58):
And you have to have Lebron in there. Okay, because
Lebron Okay, but but why Okay. One, he's a cable
shooter too. He's played without an ego and not trying
to go one on one.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Three.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Most importantly, he's physical and he's rebounding. And it's a
different sport than the NBA. It's different, and you can't
just go and start start getting guys off of the
bench and just start wheeling them. You just okay, so
it's a forty minute game. You're like, don't play Anthony Edwards,
he barely played. No, no, no, don't play struggling.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
When they were playing, they struggled, and that was the
opportunity to get Tatum. And listen, Bogdanovitch is out here
looking like an All NBA player, looking.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Like a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Nobody could defend him. They were getting the Switches drew Holiday.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Match up with Joki.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
It was an annihilation. There were opportunities to get Tatum
into defend. Listen, man, I'll take Tatum against Bogdanovic any
day of the week, as would you, but nobody could.
None of the guards I.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Would not take. I would not take it. I would
not take him in an international game ahead of Bogdanovich.
That's the part that you don't understand. Like I'm not
I'm not in any way trying to sound condescending, but
it's gonna sound condescending. You've never actually even seen an
international game played live, let alone played or coached in one.
It's a completely different sport. And while bog Don Bogdanovitch
(26:18):
in the NBA, it's a complete mismatch him versus Jason Tatum.
This ain't the NBA, dude, It's not so what you're saying.
What you're saying is from your chair in and I
don't know where you are in California. Know you travel
a ton and you have a great time your kids.
From your chair, you know more about what a team
needs and what a team fits and what they need
(26:40):
than Steve Kerr, who's he's not just evaluating based on
this game, you do.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Steve Kerr has.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
What five rings as a coach and like another five
as a player.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
I mean, you know me, I coach my kids in sports.
We got chips, I got the men's league team in LA.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
We now listen. It doesn't mean it doesn't. It doesn't
mean he's It doesn't mean he he's impervious to criticism. Okay,
it doesn't. It doesn't. But I think what Anthony Edwards
struggle with is the same thing that Jason Tatum struggles with,
which is like, again, you're used to being the guy.
You're used to being able to have a volume of shots,
(27:16):
and if you missed your first five, it doesn't matter
you make your next five. You don't have that international competition.
You don't. You're playing in a completely different style. The
officiating is different, the plays. More than anything, you're not
the focal point and he is.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
The defenses are different, the rules are different, the basketball
is different. We know all that, Doug. What we do
don't know is why Tatum wasn't playing. And frankly, if
I'm Jason Tatum and you know, the Olympics are like, hey, sorry,
we didn't play you a lot. You're our centerpiece for
twenty twenty eight. I would tell him, ay Man, half off,
No thanks, I don't need this again.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Cool, they don't play, well, we'll find We'll find twelve
guys who do want to play. You do want to
play for our country.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
And you know what, this is a scary thing, Doug
Steve Kurr needed to rely on the KG veterans to
bring him back in and save his hide. Okay, it
is very interesting going to twenty eight because all those
guys are gonna be gone. I don't think he needs back.
I can't imagine Embid's gonna be back now. Lebron Durant Curry.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Like, whoa, where are we gonna turn?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You've got to get.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Tatum in there to usher in the next era. You're
telling me you couldn't find ten minutes for him, Doug,
that's a that's an abomination.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
No, because if you have ten minutes, then whose minutes
are you shrinking? Then you're gonna you're gonna playhim ten minutes.
You think you're really gonna get something out of guy?
So tell me where the Yes, Derek White's a point
guard who can guard five positions. Okay, Jason Tatum is it.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
In any positions? Against Serbia?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
He was not.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
He could not.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Now, I know Derek White not a really right in
the Olympics, but the Serbia game was extremely physical, Doug. Yes,
and Jason Tatum is more built for that with his
length than a Derek Whit.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
You're you're you're just you're you're taking it. You're taking
it like it's fantasy basketball. You're like, oh, he's a
little bit taller. Okay, so he's got to be his length.
He's like an inch taller than Derek White. The big
thing is this, Okay, Derek White doesn't need the ball
to be effective. He doesn't, Okay, Jason Tatum needs the ball.
Hold on, let me finish, Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum needs
(29:11):
the basketball to be effective. Okay. And again, you're viewing
the sport from the prism of I'm an NBA fan.
I've watched the NBA. I know he's better than bug
Dog Bugdanovich. He is in the NBA totally different sport,
totally different gamey and based my and my guess is,
my guess is that he's gotten his butt kicked and
(29:32):
really struggle with the mentality of playing as one of
the guys. It might not be for him, and that's okay, right.
I Mean, the perfect example is Damian Lillard. Last time
came into the Olympics and he was considered one of
the elite guards. He was terrible with the Olympic team. Why.
It's a different sport and it's not based around one guy.
(29:53):
You got to be a catch and shoot shooter. You
got to be able to guard with great physicality, play
without the basketball. That none of those things are what
Jason Tatum does. And that doesn't mean he's not going
to be player in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Now, that's just embarrassing. Come on, Doug, you know Tatum
can play off the ball. He's fine not being I mean,
tell Jalen Brown was the MVP of the finals taking
what what?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Why? Why was that? What? Why was that?
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Tatum let him in points, rebounds and assist?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
No, did Tatum? Did Tatum have a good finals? Did
Tatum have a good finals? He did?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
He?
Speaker 6 (30:24):
I don't know. Let me start a here.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
He led the Celtics and points, rebounds, in assists.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Is that a good finals?
Speaker 4 (30:29):
No, he didn't have a good finals.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Nobody would say in the entire postseason in point three bounds,
in assist I didn't.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I didn't ask about. I didn't. I didn't ask about
I didn't ask about the playoffs. Okay, I asked about
the finals.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Well, in the finals he led them in assists and rebounds,
end points.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So is that good?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Was he the MVP?
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, come on, man was on him a little
too much?
Speaker 4 (30:53):
No, No, I'm just I'm just being honest. Like, I
think he's a really, really talented scorer. I think he
say he'd never take he's like Kobe and that he
never takes an easy shot. Every shot is a difficult shot. Okay.
His stats in the finals, he wasn't good. Okay, he
wasn't good. There's just you can't convince me otherwise, right,
I mean he had he had two games, which one
(31:15):
he's eleven of twenty six. One he's eleven of twenty four. Right.
This is a guy that's used this, okay, and that's
what he does. He's a score that's his job. His
job is to score.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
But he also scored and facilitates. He led the team
and assists not only in the finals, but in the
entire playoffs. He's a great rosters stop stopping.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
He's a great passer. Stop stop, stop stop that. He's
a great passer stop Jason. It's a different sport, okay,
in international basketball from the NBA. That's Jason McIntyre. You
can hear him daily. That's our best. For last, I'm
Doug Gottlieb. Have yourself a great weekend.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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