August 9, 2024 • 43 mins
Jason McIntyre joins the show to explain why Steve Kerr made a huge mistake not playing Jayson Tatum in USA's near disastrous loss to Serbia
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome in this here heard wherever you may be, and
how are you been even making this part of your day?
Thanks so much. I'm Doug gotting in for Colin Cowherd
and wherever you're listening today, from Powway to Peta Clarita
all the way to the Inland Empire, I want to
talk sports with you. Welcome in, so Musa survived Serbia.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You know all.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Serbia played great until they didn't. They shot amazing.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I just.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I think it's really interesting that when you hire a
coach and it's really important and I understand, like I
am an inexperienced college coach and so I have. Yesterday
we released our non conference schedule and I'm I'm confident
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in what I can do and how I can coach
my team and what will to be look like. But
I'm also super respectful of the fact that the entirety
of the process I haven't been through before. I definitely
haven't led before. You know, I've coached games, high level games.
Know what I'm doing there. I've made teams more cohesive
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units in short period times. I feel like I do
that player evaluations within reason, I can do that recruiting, Like, honestly,
the recruiting landscape is very much like the au landscape.
And at my level, we're offering opportunity more so than anil,
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So I understand those parts of it, but the actual
like how it all works, how it all happens, what
it looks like after a twenty point loss or what
it looks like after a heartbreaking loss, and how do
you make adjustments, and how do you decide to develop
different sorts of plays and sets as people lock into
what you're doing, Like all those things you kind of
got to learn as you go. We were even meeting
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earlier today as we're starting to plan out not just
our practice schedule, but the schedule for travel. When do
you want to take a day off, when do you
want to leave? And to me, a lot of that
is you're trying to pre plan something you're gonna learn
as you go, which is you want a fresh and
rested team. You want that to be prepared, but you
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also need to be both physically and mentally fresh. How
do you do that, Well, you got to give them
time off, but they also have to be sharp. In
order to have to be sharp, you have to practice
and you have to take mandated time off. So we're
planning it. When when I coached both the last two
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times in Israel, Okay, it's very similar. Again, I know
level of basketball is not the same, but there's a
lot of similarities, a lot of similarities between Team USA
and Team USA and Macabiavich like the Jewish Olympics both
times in the finals. By the way he played France,
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they were really good. They had frankly older probably maybe
even better players than we had, and we played them
in pool play much like we played Serbia and then
in the finals, and they played differently the second time around,
and so we had to play differently the second time round.
But the magic to it, I believe, is finding a
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way to get a team at the right level and
knowing what's coming and sticking with it because you know
that there are certain games in FOBA competition. You're gonna
show up, You're gonna win. South Sudan was a couple
of easy adjustments were made. Puerto Rico, We're gonna show up.
And if we take it at all seriously, we're gonna
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win ten times in ten, one hundred times, one hundred.
We're just better. We're just better. But you have to
plan for those games that are going to be close.
And I think the game was one because they didn't
bail on Joel Embiid, and Joel Embiid was definitely bailable.
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He just was he He has looked out of sorts,
he's looked out of shape, he's looked like he didn't fit,
and then last night he was a monster. And if
you went back and looked at when Serbia last lost
to Team USA in pool play, when Jokic was on
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the floor, his plus minus was zero, it was an
even game. It was when everybody else was in and
he was out. That's when they That's when they lost
the game by twenty six. So you needed Embiid's body.
You need Embiid's body to also in style of play
to go at Jokic, and they they had to expose
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Jokic's lack of mobility against Embiid. Embiid had not a
good but a great game. I think, are they winning
without Steph Curry's threes now? But you do have a
good enough group of collective shot makers. You don't have
anybody like Joel Embiid on this team, and I think
that the plan on sticking with him even when it
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didn't look good. I think that's what one of the
game and the other part to it you have to
just concede, is it's a different game than the NBA
game on like fifteen different levels. Different game than the
NBA game. The second you admit it's a different game
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than the NBA game, the second you're understanding that looking
at it through that prism. That's why it's so hard
to beat Australia, so hard to beat Serbia, so hard
to beat France, difficult to beat any of those teams,
because this is a style that they grew up playing with,
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guys that they grew up playing with as opposed to
you know, look, even within the NBA, there's basically three
different styles. The Warriors played different than most everybody else.
The Lakers were kind of old school. A lot of
holding the ball a lot of ISO stuff, and the
Celtics and others play like five out, So you don't
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play this way. You don't play in a way in
the NBA where dribbling is not. You can't over dribble
here because there's nowhere to go. And while you attack
switches in the NBA, you attack switches in FEBA. Throwing
it in the post. You can't play post defense. You
can't play. So my guess is that Jason Tatum isn't
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as good playing post defense. You know when he gets
caught on a switch on Jokisch that's a bucket, and
struggles really to guard guards. He's fine in guarding wings,
but you can't have an inability to guard two different
parts of it. And then offensively, he's a volume guy,
and it's really hard to dial back that volume and
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increase your efficiency. Increase your efficiency. That would be me
being a solo radio host coming in and doing updates
for Colin. Doesn't mean I couldn't do it doesn't play
to my strengths. And I think that Jason Tatum, Steve
curR is using him smartly. He knows he's way better
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off when he has a volume of minutes when he's
playing more starter minutes. He just doesn't fit what they
want to do when they feel like they can playing
against uh, playing against Serbia, and it worked both times.
But you know, just me, whether it's coach, me, analyst, me,
radio host, me, I think not bailing on EMBIID because
it's really easy a couple of games in like emb
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doesn't have it, let's move on. They didn't and look
at how they've been rewarded for it. By the way,
we were waiting for a vintage Steph game. Finally got one.
Finally got one. Here's Mark Stein last hour on Tatum
not playing again yesterday.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
The reality is, with apologies to Bob Coosey, the world
is not thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Celtics fans are
wondering and thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Nobody in the
quote world is really focused on that. And the reality
is just the fact that you know, if this is
you know, Bob Coosey comes out today with all this criticism,
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it just shows you it's just another illustration of Steve Kerr.
You know, they are never expected to lose, So it
is the most second guest coaching job you can probably
have right now because they did almost lose that game,
and everybody's going to have an opinion, but the coach
is going to do whatever he thinks he has to
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do to win. And look, if you want to if
you want to really register a concern, the concern is
what is this doing for Tatum Psyche in terms of
twenty twenty eight? Is he going to want to come
back to this team? That to me is a valid concern.
But Steve Kerr is not going to be coaching the
Olympic team in twenty twenty eight, so I'm sure he's
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not really worried about write that right now. He's just
trying to figure out how to win so he doesn't
come home with a loss that you know will be
on his resume forever.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Now, you can't concern yourself with twenty twenty eight when
you're not gonna be coaching the team. And Jason tam
can say that I'm never I'm never playing for teamsay basketball.
I'm sure he's only gonna want to play in four
years if he's promised, Hey man, you're gonna start, You're
gona play twenty five minutes a game. But I mean
there's likely to be a massive overhaul of this roster, right,
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massive massive overhaul, and he's still a Dukie, and Dukies
will still get preferential treatment. He'll still be on the team.
You know, it's really amazing what we've done, Like they're winning,
they played incredible basketball to come back and win that game,
and yet people are still critical. I don't understand it.
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All right, we'll turn a football coming up next here
in the Herd. What do we make of the Jets?
Rogers looks really good, but there's kind of some weirdness
between Aaron Rodgers and the coaching staff. Then of course
we have the Britdan Ayuk a Yuk story where he
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doesn't want to go to the Pittsburgh he doesn't want
to go to New England Patriots and oh yeah, by
the way, we're going to see Pittsburgh tonight. Any legitimacy
to some sort of quarterback competition between Justin Fields and
Russell Wilson, well that's the man, genius Eric Mangini. He
joins us next in the Herd.
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My bad. No, the third time of the fourth time
doesn't matter. Third time, h third time is well, not
really a charm. Okay, let's turn our attention to the NFL. Like,
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here's what's really cool now? Right, So now we're in
the window of no, it's not the real thing, but
it's as close to the real thing as we'll get
to until college football kicks off. Houston taken on Pittsburgh tonight.
Part of what do we got? Three preseason games? Right, Philly, Baltimore,
we'll get to that, Atlanta, Miami, we'll get to that.
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But Houston the surprise team in the NFL last year, right,
I don't think anybody thought rookie quarterback, rookie coach would
be that good that soon. Take it on Pittsburgh where
you got Mike Tomlin once again last year, rabbit out
of his you know what. No offense. Their offense was
in fact defensive, and yet they still found a way defensive, stellar,
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rebuilt the offensive line, have town at wide receivers brought
into quarterbacks. One used to be good, not seen as
good now. One was the number one overall pick was
what the number two overall pick was that Justin f
you know, Justin Fields was what so top first round
pick but seen as a guy who could be a dude,
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and Chicago was like, yeah, we're good, we're going with
We're going with Caleb Williams. Let's welcome in Eric Mangini.
He joins us now in the herd. Course, Eric for
a long time assistant with the Patriots, sits with the Niners,
head coach of the Jets, head coach of the Browns.
Let me start with Pittsburgh. I'm told there's some sort
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of quarterback competition. I don't buy it. Not that I
think that Russell Wilson still has much left in the tank,
but he's shown himself to be a very good quarterback
for a long time, whereas Justin Fields really hasn't. Do
you believe there's a quarterback competition in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Well, the first thing I'll say about Pittsburgh is I
love the fact that they have both those guys there,
and the fact that they got both those guys for
five million, which is the same that same amount of
money that Joe Flacco is making a season. It's a
pretty great situation in an area where you know, obviously
they haven't found necessarily the answer, but this is a
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good short term solution and hopefully one of these guys
becomes the answer. I would say my personal feeling on this,
and this is different than most people. I honestly feel
this to take the approach of playing both players and
they should have packages for both players and and what
that does is it creates such a significant amount of
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pressure on your opponent because you have to spend time
preparing for the things that each of those players does
really well. And I get that that's unconventional, but each
guy is looking for something moving forward. Each guy brings
a distinct skill set. Each guy should play in their
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own right, you know, based off of where that team is.
And I think that would be the most effective and
interesting way to do it, where it's easy for Pittsburgh
and hard for their opponents. I can't imagine that they
will take that step so understanding that I would say, yeah,
there's there's probably a competition in the sense that when
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you watch usin fields of practice, he's going to make
a bunch of plays that are really excited. He runs
extremely well, can make guys miss, throws the ball down
the field, and there's there's a plays that that pop.
And and then you have Russell Wilson, who has a
history of success, is much more consistent. He hasn't been
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where he was, but there's there's a higher level of
certainty with with what you can get, and you're banking
that you're going to get the upside of Russell Wilson
and and get somewhere relatively close to where he was historically.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Stug gottlieb In for column, This is the hurd on
Fox Sports trade of the iHeartRadio app. Okay, let's let's
get to Houston. It's year two, Okay, but you know
everybody makes adjustments. Are there adjustments that are going to
catch up to the Houston Texan specifically on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
The biggest question mark for for Houston, and I talked
about this a lot with Detroit going into last season,
is success is something that you have to learn how
to deal with, just like adversity is. And here's a
team that had more success than anybody expected. If I
say light of as you talked about the brooking head coach,
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the rooky quarterback. So they surprise everybody and now they're
hit with this barrage of expectations and also a different
level of respect. So how does the team deal with
that success and how well do they understand that you
don't get to start where you finish. You've got to
do all the things that you did really well last year,
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but you've got to do them better because everybody is
playing you differently. Everybody has prepared for you differently than
they did the year before. And it's not only the
intensity of the way they prepare for you and the
intensity of the way that they play you, but also
the amount of information they have in terms of what
your tendencies are from a scheme perspective and from an
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individual perspective, which nobody had any of that information going
into last season.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Completely fair. What do you think of Tua's deal with Miami?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I'm happy for Tua. Ta's season really was was the
anti Jordan Love season where two was was really good
early and faded down the stretch. And when you look
at his wins, they were I think ten to one
against non playoff teams and one in six against playoff teams.
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I think those numbers are accurate, But what concerned me
more is his last three games his quarterback rating was
in the seventies and sixties, which is extremely disappointing and
much lower than what it had been throughout the course
of the season. They were they had that slide where
they went into they win in the final five games
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with three game lead to win the division and end
up losing division. So it was that lack of production
or underperformance at the end of the season where Jordan
Lowe's skyrocketed the other way, which made me think maybe
they would hold off on the contract. But you have
that in addition to the fact of his injury history,
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and his injury history is unique because it's concussions, and
you know those are you can get hit, you know,
from your blind side and get a concussion. It's not
it's so unpredictable. But his next concussion could, you know, unfortunately,
be something that lasts a lot longer from injury perspective
than something else.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Totally fair. Eric Mangini is our guest here. I'm Doug
Gottliep feeling for colinist The Hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio
app What ultimately happens with Brandon Ayuk after it's been
reported he turned down the money he wanted from the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
That's a great question. That he wants the money that
other receivers have gotten and and he has a pretty
strong argument to make in terms of getting that money.
And I get that, but at the point where that
money may not be available in San Francisco, it doesn't
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look like what he wants is currently available in San Francisco.
But now they've give him the opportunity to go out
and negotiate a deal somewhere else. Now it starts becoming
more challenging because you don't want to stay here at
what we're offering you, and you don't want to go
to a place that we can make a deal with
where they're offering you the money that you want. He's
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going to have to He's going to probably have to
give on one of those two issues. Otherwise this is
just going to remain an impass and and nobody wins.
And even though he signs a new contract, let's say,
you know, however, many weeks down into the season or
who knows how long push cuff through, you're still losing
money away that you know, you're not getting it back.
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And hopefully this guess resolves soon for him because it
gives clarity to the forty nine ers, it gives clarity
to him, and it also gives his new team an
opportunity to actually get some value from the big contract
they're gonna pay him.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Who's the team we should be talking about that we're.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Not in what sense in terms of us?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's good. I mean, like, look, we spent we use
a lot of oxygen on the Cowboys. They're gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
We've used some oxygen on the Eagles, who were just
okay last year after a hot start, but obviously they
won a super Bowl. They've been to a Super Bowl,
They've been super competitive. There's some talk on Kansas City,
not a ton, but it does feel like I mean,
I could go through fifteen teams that no one brings
up in national sports radio, from the Seahawks to the Rams,
to the Charge, to the Raiders, to the Browns to
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the Vikings to the like nobody talks about. But we're
missing somebody. The Lions nearly went to a Super Bowl
last year. I didn't love some of their play calling,
decision making at the end of the at the end
of the San Francisco game, but they did. Nobody talked
about the Lions on that level to start the year.
If you had to guess, before we ever get this
thing kicked off, who's somebody we should be talking about?
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And we probably will be come December.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Although the Lion and we're grouping the Lions and the
teams that we don't really talk about. Yes, yeah, look,
the Lions. To me, I was as skeptical as anybody
going into last season that I was even skeptical after
the opening game of the season where they were they
were tagged to kick off the season against Kansas City,
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which really hadn't been done. You know, the only few
times had been done had been the Dallas Cowboys, and
I thought, as good as they finished the pre season
and all the hype that was going into him, it
was a reach to put him in that category. So
they beat Kansas City and the opener, and they dealt
with success, probably as good as you can deal with success.
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And then that to me is a huge check mark
on the trajectory of the club overall. Then you know
how demanding the head coaches and it seems like he's
both physically demanding, and he's also demanding from a mental
perspective in terms of how he expects those guys to
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perform in the classroom, the level of commitment, all the
intangible aspects of football. But as guys talk about him,
this is very, very rarely do you even hear a
hint of complaining. Guys have completely bought into that level
of discipline that that he's instilled and that he consistently
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requires the players. That's a huge, huge check mark. Now
they were able to retain both coordinators, there's continuity, that
there's the expectations. To me is another great situation for them.
The fact that we're not talking about them. That's where
you want to be going into the season. You know,
you don't want to be dealing with a ton of
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expectations that can be debilitating, especially to younger guys. But
to be going in under the radar, after all they
had seved last year, that's the we're definitely going to
be talking about them. And I shot them really really
late into their season.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Okay, what about Jordan Love. I mean, Jordan Love had
slow start. There were times when it's like yes, and
then obviously went through a stretch there where you played
great football. Now he's got a new contract, talented but
really young roster. What does Jordan Love's second time around
as a starting quarterback look like?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, I didn't love that Jordan Love renegotiated his contract
prior to last season. To me, it felt like he
didn't really have confidence and what he was going to
do as a starter, And to some degree, it felt
like Green Bay didn't really have confidence and what he
was going to do as a starter. Now fast forward,
it worked out well for him because he was able
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to get the deal that that he got. But it's
it's hard after you get a new contract the view
things the same way. And this is this is always difficult, Doug.
Where you pay a guy, either in free agency or
you pay one of your own guys, and they want
to go out and justify the money and and and
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it's great that they want to prove you right, but
oftentimes when guys are trying to prove you right, they're
they're pushing, they're pressing and doing stuff that's inconsistent with
what got him in the contract in the first place.
And to me that that's a it's something they have
to get over and I really thought that Philadelphia had
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figured it out last year because it looked like Jalen
Hurts is on track for another great season and the
team overall was on track. They really fought two things
quarterback getting a big contract and the Super Bowl hangover,
and we saw that how that worked out. So that's
my biggest concern with Jordan Love is how does he
view the money and he's he pressing or is he
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or is he half perspective and really take a look
at the things that he did better in the second
half of the season and try to incrementally build on that,
not trying to take this giant leap and suddenly be
on the Aaron Rodgers and have back to back MVP seasons.
That that, to me, will be It will be the
thing that sets him back the most.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
That's the one only Eric Mangini some people call him
the man genius of course, long time NFL head and
assistant coach, Eric, You're the best. Thanks so much for
joining us in the herd. Awesome guy. You guys cut
him off. He was gonna say, I'm awesome and then
you cut him off to he that's what you did do. Yeah,
are you going to do you have, you can do that.
You know what, Let's get to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
This is the herd Line News, Doug. I want to
make one thing very very clear before we move on
to the news. I personally would never do that to
the man genius. That is all I know. Greg too,
Greg Twoy, Yeah, so always grateful to have Manganie on
the show. We'll pick up where you guys left off.
Let's touch on some NFL here. Forty nine ers have
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played in two Super Bowls in the last five years.
For the last five NFC championship games. With veteran players
on the rosters like Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Trent Williams,
even Deebo Samuel, there are questions about how much longer
this group can maintain their status as perennial contenders. Well,
Kittle spoke with The Athletic and he had this to say,
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talking about a window closing and all that type of stuff.
All I know is that currently, right now we have
a really good roster and I'm just going to try
to attack it every single day With the really good
roster that I have not worried about the future. George
Kittle simply focused on the now.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, I mean we could read into all that stuff.
I don't the Niners need to win this year, right,
They've they've been so close and haven't gotten it done.
The Niners need to win this year because there's too
many good players there to not get over the threshold.
And now they nearly lost to the not just the
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not just the Lions, but nearly lost to the Packers
the week before that.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Yeah, very competitive.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So yeah, I mean I was a game with the
Packers can move the ball at all. They they probably
they probably win that thing, but in the second half.
But I do think that a lot of this frustration
comes from ultimately not winning it. I think they win
it and then a lot of those guys go elsewhere
and they got to rebuild it anywhere. But this feels
like the year they got to win it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
And I will say, out of all of those players,
as much as they are veterans, and Trent Williams is
really the only one where you're really looking at like,
oh wow, Yeah, I mean he's coming up on the
end of his career. Now, he's still great and he
could probably play until maybe almost forty like a Andrew Whitworth,
but the others look like they still have plenty left
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to go in their career. In preseason action in the NFL,
Patriots quarterback competition could be getting a little interesting. Number
three overall pick Drake May played just one series, didn't
do much. But Joe Milton, doug the Milton Mania, as
some have said on social media, played a good amount
of the second half, showed off some dynamic moves as
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a runner, as well as going four for six fifty
seven yards with a touchdown. And if you remember this
now comes after last week some reports about Milton playing
really well in practice and looking better than May, something
Colin has sort of touched on. He had his hesitations
about May coming out of North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Now we know.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Brissette's going to be the starter to start the season,
but so far, maybe some Drake madye Joe Milton competition
happening for New England.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Man listen, and Joe Milton's kind of been a tease
throughout his career. Memory sure, first won the job with Michigan,
then he left that was that was during the COVID year,
I think, right, the COVID year screwed kind of skewed everything.
Then he was He was the one who replaced Hennon Hooker,
and Hennon Hooker was having a great year. And the
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problem with Joe Milton has never been arm talent. He's
got an incredible arm, credible, but he's twenty four. He
can be inaccurate and it doesn't matter how far you
throw the ball. I just I feel like he's a
camp creation. I could be wrong, sure, but I think
he's a camp creation. You can't tell me that. Michigan
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and Tennessee both decide like if he was really, is
it possible that they missed? Yes, is it possible he's
better for the program? Sure, but I don't think that's
the case. He has he throws an unbelievable deep ball. Unreal.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Well, we'll wrap up with this, Doug. Back to the Olympics.
US track star Noah Liles wanted to become the first
American male athlete since Carl Lewis to win gold in
both the one hundred and two hundred meter sprints, but
did end up with bronze in the two hundred while
also battling COVID Now following the two hundred meter race
gold medalists that Cila Tobago of Botswana had this interesting
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comment to say about being the face of the sport.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
For me, I can't be the phase of athletics because
I'm not an arrogant or a loud person like Noah.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
So I believe no is the face of athletics.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
So sort of a not so subtle shot about being
loud and arrogant for Noah Liles. I think the thing
that's interesting here is, you know, they talk about how
Usain Bolt was the face of the sport and when
you whether it's in this is no disrespect to anyone
who does track or any of these sort of Olympic sports.
But like Usain Bolt became the quote unquote face of
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track because he transcended into mainstream popular culture by how
incredibly dominant he was. Like, I don't think just because
you win a gold medal doesn't automatically mean you're some
household name, right, Like like we know Michael Phelps as
the face of swimming because he's like the greatest Olympian
(31:19):
of all time, not just because he won one or
two gold medals as the best swimmer in the world
at in Olympic Games.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Correct, correct? Yeah, I mean, but there is something too,
the you know, like Noah Lyles, and it's just a
lot of drama and it's interesting. There's a certain amount
of WNBA to them, where people don't pay attention to
track and field runners for three and a half years,
then all of a sudden we pay attention and they're
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you know, the dynamic ones seem to be look at me, people.
This is Shikari Richardson right where she's staring down the
other runner at the end of the floor by one hundred,
but she didn't actually win the hunter meter dash, so
like again, seems like misplaced arrogance. A little bit the
same thing with Noah Lyles, like I get it, you're fast,
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but this feels like I need attention because I don't
get it all year long. And that's right.
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Welcome in obviously live in Central time zone. Now I
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into my show, and I think most people know not
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just of Jason actually obviously on the show, but also
his Straight Fire podcast. I happened to Crank Up because
I was up really early this morning the Crank the
Straight Fire podcast, and I heard Jason McIntyre once again
railing on Steve Kerk for not playing Jason Tatum well,
because he's such a regular part, he's, you know, part
of the show. I thought, you know, maybe he's on vacation,
(33:56):
maybe he's got his phone off. He didn't. He wants
to join us little debate, little Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind the very
last segment. It's time for Best for Last.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
All right, let's welcome in. He's Jason McIntyre, co host
of The Herd but also the host of the Straight
Fire Podcast. And Jason, I'll give you the floor. What
pray tell, did Steve Kurr do wrong yesterday in there
come back from a seventeen point deficit win.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Well, let me start by congratulating you on the new
coaching gig. I mean I've texted you about it, but
haven't actually spoken to you.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Congrats, that's amazing, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
So now let me blast Steve Kerr real quick. So,
first of all, Steve Kerr did not bring them back
from down seventeen Okay, Steph Curry, Lebron and Embiid did.
Steve Kerr Actually, you could argue, helped dig them that
hole by his clunky rotations and you could see this
coming you. No, Hoops is as well as anybody. Embiid
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is going to get attacked in the drop coverage relentlessly.
Teams are going to attack Steph Curry and call for
the switch and go after him. There was an option
multiple times to get Jason Tatum in there and go big. Ultimately,
Kerr finally capitulated and went with Kevin Durant lebron NMBID
a bigger lineup. He had been playing a lot of
three guard looks and there were multiple options, like, dude,
(35:24):
put Tatum in. Anthony Edwards is a turnover machine. He's
struggling some of these younger I mean bam Adebayo's taking
corner threes. Bro the sink Puerto Rico. Okay, this is
like down fifteen against Serbia with one of the best
players in the world and Nicola Jokic. I just thought
Steve Kerr had a brutal performance. I didn't get on
his case as much earlier in the in the Olympics
(35:49):
for not playing Tatum. I got it, but there were
multiple options for him to play Tatum at the two,
the three hell before, they had a lot of options.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Doug, I was just disappointed, and okay.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Let me let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me help, let me, let me help you, Let
me help you does Jason Tatum rebound?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Jason Tatum rebounds as well as anybody led the Celtics
and rebounds in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Does Jason Tatum rebound? Does Jason Tatum guard the post?
Does Jason Tatum guard guards? Does Jason Tatum do anything
other than score? And has Jason Tatum been playing efficiently? Okay, again,
you're telling you're saying you should You're you're you were
saying he should first take out Joel Embiid and Steph
Curry because he knew what was coming. If not for
(36:30):
Joel Embiid and Steph Curry, you have no chance yesterday, none.
And you have to have Lebron in there, Okay, because
Lebron Okay, but but why Okay. One, he's a cable
shooter too. He's played without an ego, not trying to
go one on one three. Most importantly, he's physical and
he's rebounding. And it's a different sport than the NBA.
(36:53):
It's different, and you can't just go and start start
getting guys off of the bench and just start wheeling them.
You just Okay, so it's a forty minute game, You're like,
don't play Anthony Edwards. He barely played. No, no, no,
don't play.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Struggling. When they were playing, they struggled, And that was
the opportunity to get Tatum and listen, Bogdanovitch is out
here looking like an All NBA player, looking like a.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Nobody could defend him. They were getting the switches drew
holiday match up with jok It was an annihilation. There
were opportunities to get Tatum into defend. Listen, man, I'll
take Tatum against Bogdanovitch any day of the week, as would.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
You, But nobody could, none of the guards.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I would not tell I would not take it. I
would not take him in an international game ahead of Bogdanovich.
That's the part that you'd't understand. Like I'm not I'm
not in any way trying to sound condescending, but it's
gonna sound condescending. You've never actually even seen an international
game played live, let alone played or coached in one.
It's a completely different sport. And while bog Don Bogdanovitch
(37:55):
in the NBA, it's a complete mismatch him versus Jason
Tate him. This ain't the NBA, dude, It's not so
what you're saying. What you're saying is from your chair
in and I don't know where you are in California.
Know you travel a ton and you have a great
time your kids. From your chair, you know more about
what a team needs and what a team fits and
(38:16):
what they need than Steve Kerr, who he's not just
evaluating based on this game you do.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Steve Kerr has what five rings as a coach and
like another five as a player.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I mean, you know me, I coach my kids in sports.
We got chips, I got the men's league team in LA.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
We now listen. It doesn't mean it doesn't It doesn't
mean he's it doesn't mean he's impervious to criticism. Okay
it doesn't. Okay it doesn't. But I think what Anthony
Edwards struggle with is the same thing that Jason Tatum
struggles with, which is like, again, you're used to being
the guy. You're used to being able to have a
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volume of shots, and if you missed your first five,
it doesn't matter you make your next five. You don't
have that international competition, you don't. You're playing in a
completely different style. The officiating is different. The player more
than anything you're not the focal point.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And he know the.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Defenses are different, the rules are different, the basketball is different.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
We know all that, Doug.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
What we do don't know is why Tatum wasn't playing.
And frankly, if I'm Jason Tatum and you know the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Are like, hey, sorry, we didn't play you a lot.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
You're our centerpiece for twenty and twenty eight, I would
tell him, hey, man, half off, No thanks, I don't
need this again.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Cool the no play, well, we'll find We'll find twelve
guys who do want to play. You do want to
play for a count.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
And you know what, this is a scary thing, Doug.
Deep curR needed to rely on the KG veterans to
bring him back and save his hide. Okay, it is
very interesting going to twenty eight because all those guys
are going to be gone. I don't think he Ded's back.
I can't imagine Embid's going to be back now. Lebron
Durant Curry like, whoa where are we going to turn?
You've got to get Tatum in there to usher in
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the next era. You're telling me you couldn't find ten
minutes for him, Doug, that's an abomination.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
No, because if you have ten minutes, then whose minutes
are you shrinking? Then you're gonna you're gonna play him
ten minutes. You think you're really gonna get something out again,
so tell me where the Yes, Derek White's a point
guard who can guard five positions. Okay, Jason Tatum is it?
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Is it against Serbia?
Speaker 6 (40:15):
He was not, He could not. Now, I know Derek White,
not the Olympic.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
But the Serbia game was extremely physical, Doug. Yes, and
Jason Tatum is more built for that with his length
than you're.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
You're You're just you're you're taking it. You're taking it
like it's fantasy basketball. You're like, oh, he's a little
bit taller. Okay, so he's gotta be his length. He's
like an inch taller than Derek White. The big thing
is this, Okay, Derek White doesn't need the ball to
be effective. He doesn't, Okay, Jason Tatum needs the ball.
Hold on, let me finish, Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum needs
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the basketball to be effective. Okay. And again, you're viewing
the sport from the prism of I'm an NBA fan.
I've watched the NBA. I know he's better than bug
Dog Bogdanovich. He is in the NBA, totally different sport,
totally different games, and basically and and my and my
guess is, my guess is that he's gotten his butt
(41:09):
kicked and really struggle with the mentality of playing as
one of the guys. It might not be for him.
And that's okay, right, I Mean, the perfect example is
Damian Lillard. Last time came into the Olympics and he
was considered one of the elite guards. He was terrible
with the Olympic team.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Why.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's a different sport and it's not based around one guy.
You got to be a catch and shoot shooter. You
got to be able to guard with great physicality, play
without the basketball. That none of those things are what
Jason Tatum does. And that doesn't mean he's not going
to play in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Now, that's just embarrassing. Come on, Doug, you know Tatum
can play off the ball. He's fine not being to
tell Jalen Brown was the.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
MVP of the Finals?
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Taken?
Speaker 5 (41:52):
What what? What?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Why was that?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
What?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Why was that?
Speaker 6 (41:54):
Tatum?
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Let No?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
No, did did Tatum? Did Tatum have a good Finals?
Did him have a good finals, he.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Did he I don't know.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
Let me start a hear.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
He led the Celtics and points th rebounds, in assists.
Is that a good final?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
No, he didn't have a good finals. Nobody would say.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
In the entire postseason in points, three bounds in assistant
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
I didn't ask about. I didn't. I didn't ask about
I didn't ask about the playoffs. Okay, I asked about
the finals.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Well, in the finals he led them an assists and
rebounds end points, So is that good? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Was he the MVP?
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I mean, come on, man was on him a little
too much? No?
Speaker 3 (42:31):
No, I'm just I'm just being honest. Like, I think
he's a really, really talented scorer. I think he say
he'd never take He's like Kobe in that he never
takes an easy shot. Every shot is a difficult shot. Okay.
His stats in the finals, he wasn't good. Okay, he
wasn't good. There's just you can't convince me otherwise, right,
I mean he had he had two games, which one
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he's eleven of twenty six. One he's eleven of twenty four. Right,
this is a guy that's used this Okay, and that's
what he does. He's a score that's his job. His
job is to score, but he.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Also scores and facilitates. He led the team and assists
not only in the finals, but in the entire playoffs.
He's a great past he.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Stop stop that. He's a great passer. Stop stop stop
stop that. He's a great pastor stop Jason. It's a
different sport, okay, in international basketball from the NBA. That's
Jason McIntyre. You can hear him daily. That's our best.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome in this here heard wherever you may be, and
how are you been even making this part of your day?
Thanks so much. I'm Doug gotting in for Colin Cowherd
and wherever you're listening today, from Powway to Peta Clarita
all the way to the Inland Empire, I want to
talk sports with you. Welcome in, so Musa survived Serbia.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
You know all.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Serbia played great until they didn't. They shot amazing.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I just.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I think it's really interesting that when you hire a
coach and it's really important and I understand, like I
am an inexperienced college coach and so I have. Yesterday
we released our non conference schedule and I'm I'm confident
(01:28):
in what I can do and how I can coach
my team and what will to be look like. But
I'm also super respectful of the fact that the entirety
of the process I haven't been through before. I definitely
haven't led before. You know, I've coached games, high level games.
Know what I'm doing there. I've made teams more cohesive
(01:49):
units in short period times. I feel like I do
that player evaluations within reason, I can do that recruiting, Like, honestly,
the recruiting landscape is very much like the au landscape.
And at my level, we're offering opportunity more so than anil,
(02:09):
So I understand those parts of it, but the actual
like how it all works, how it all happens, what
it looks like after a twenty point loss or what
it looks like after a heartbreaking loss, and how do
you make adjustments, and how do you decide to develop
different sorts of plays and sets as people lock into
what you're doing, Like all those things you kind of
got to learn as you go. We were even meeting
(02:31):
earlier today as we're starting to plan out not just
our practice schedule, but the schedule for travel. When do
you want to take a day off, when do you
want to leave? And to me, a lot of that
is you're trying to pre plan something you're gonna learn
as you go, which is you want a fresh and
rested team. You want that to be prepared, but you
(02:52):
also need to be both physically and mentally fresh. How
do you do that, Well, you got to give them
time off, but they also have to be sharp. In
order to have to be sharp, you have to practice
and you have to take mandated time off. So we're
planning it. When when I coached both the last two
(03:13):
times in Israel, Okay, it's very similar. Again, I know
level of basketball is not the same, but there's a
lot of similarities, a lot of similarities between Team USA
and Team USA and Macabiavich like the Jewish Olympics both
times in the finals. By the way he played France,
(03:34):
they were really good. They had frankly older probably maybe
even better players than we had, and we played them
in pool play much like we played Serbia and then
in the finals, and they played differently the second time around,
and so we had to play differently the second time round.
But the magic to it, I believe, is finding a
(03:54):
way to get a team at the right level and
knowing what's coming and sticking with it because you know
that there are certain games in FOBA competition. You're gonna
show up, You're gonna win. South Sudan was a couple
of easy adjustments were made. Puerto Rico, We're gonna show up.
And if we take it at all seriously, we're gonna
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win ten times in ten, one hundred times, one hundred.
We're just better. We're just better. But you have to
plan for those games that are going to be close.
And I think the game was one because they didn't
bail on Joel Embiid, and Joel Embiid was definitely bailable.
(04:40):
He just was he He has looked out of sorts,
he's looked out of shape, he's looked like he didn't fit,
and then last night he was a monster. And if
you went back and looked at when Serbia last lost
to Team USA in pool play, when Jokic was on
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the floor, his plus minus was zero, it was an
even game. It was when everybody else was in and
he was out. That's when they That's when they lost
the game by twenty six. So you needed Embiid's body.
You need Embiid's body to also in style of play
to go at Jokic, and they they had to expose
(05:21):
Jokic's lack of mobility against Embiid. Embiid had not a
good but a great game. I think, are they winning
without Steph Curry's threes now? But you do have a
good enough group of collective shot makers. You don't have
anybody like Joel Embiid on this team, and I think
that the plan on sticking with him even when it
(05:45):
didn't look good. I think that's what one of the
game and the other part to it you have to
just concede, is it's a different game than the NBA
game on like fifteen different levels. Different game than the
NBA game. The second you admit it's a different game
(06:06):
than the NBA game, the second you're understanding that looking
at it through that prism. That's why it's so hard
to beat Australia, so hard to beat Serbia, so hard
to beat France, difficult to beat any of those teams,
because this is a style that they grew up playing with,
(06:27):
guys that they grew up playing with as opposed to
you know, look, even within the NBA, there's basically three
different styles. The Warriors played different than most everybody else.
The Lakers were kind of old school. A lot of
holding the ball a lot of ISO stuff, and the
Celtics and others play like five out, So you don't
(06:49):
play this way. You don't play in a way in
the NBA where dribbling is not. You can't over dribble
here because there's nowhere to go. And while you attack
switches in the NBA, you attack switches in FEBA. Throwing
it in the post. You can't play post defense. You
can't play. So my guess is that Jason Tatum isn't
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as good playing post defense. You know when he gets
caught on a switch on Jokisch that's a bucket, and
struggles really to guard guards. He's fine in guarding wings,
but you can't have an inability to guard two different
parts of it. And then offensively, he's a volume guy,
and it's really hard to dial back that volume and
(07:33):
increase your efficiency. Increase your efficiency. That would be me
being a solo radio host coming in and doing updates
for Colin. Doesn't mean I couldn't do it doesn't play
to my strengths. And I think that Jason Tatum, Steve
curR is using him smartly. He knows he's way better
(07:54):
off when he has a volume of minutes when he's
playing more starter minutes. He just doesn't fit what they
want to do when they feel like they can playing
against uh, playing against Serbia, and it worked both times.
But you know, just me, whether it's coach, me, analyst, me,
radio host, me, I think not bailing on EMBIID because
it's really easy a couple of games in like emb
(08:15):
doesn't have it, let's move on. They didn't and look
at how they've been rewarded for it. By the way,
we were waiting for a vintage Steph game. Finally got one.
Finally got one. Here's Mark Stein last hour on Tatum
not playing again yesterday.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
The reality is, with apologies to Bob Coosey, the world
is not thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Celtics fans are
wondering and thinking about Jason Tatum's minutes. Nobody in the
quote world is really focused on that. And the reality
is just the fact that you know, if this is
you know, Bob Coosey comes out today with all this criticism,
(08:56):
it just shows you it's just another illustration of Steve Kerr.
You know, they are never expected to lose, So it
is the most second guest coaching job you can probably
have right now because they did almost lose that game,
and everybody's going to have an opinion, but the coach
is going to do whatever he thinks he has to
(09:17):
do to win. And look, if you want to if
you want to really register a concern, the concern is
what is this doing for Tatum Psyche in terms of
twenty twenty eight? Is he going to want to come
back to this team? That to me is a valid concern.
But Steve Kerr is not going to be coaching the
Olympic team in twenty twenty eight, so I'm sure he's
(09:39):
not really worried about write that right now. He's just
trying to figure out how to win so he doesn't
come home with a loss that you know will be
on his resume forever.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Now, you can't concern yourself with twenty twenty eight when
you're not gonna be coaching the team. And Jason tam
can say that I'm never I'm never playing for teamsay basketball.
I'm sure he's only gonna want to play in four
years if he's promised, Hey man, you're gonna start, You're
gona play twenty five minutes a game. But I mean
there's likely to be a massive overhaul of this roster, right,
(10:14):
massive massive overhaul, and he's still a Dukie, and Dukies
will still get preferential treatment. He'll still be on the team.
You know, it's really amazing what we've done, Like they're winning,
they played incredible basketball to come back and win that game,
and yet people are still critical. I don't understand it.
(10:34):
All right, we'll turn a football coming up next here
in the Herd. What do we make of the Jets?
Rogers looks really good, but there's kind of some weirdness
between Aaron Rodgers and the coaching staff. Then of course
we have the Britdan Ayuk a Yuk story where he
(10:56):
doesn't want to go to the Pittsburgh he doesn't want
to go to New England Patriots and oh yeah, by
the way, we're going to see Pittsburgh tonight. Any legitimacy
to some sort of quarterback competition between Justin Fields and
Russell Wilson, well that's the man, genius Eric Mangini. He
joins us next in the Herd.
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Speaker 3 (11:21):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Sorry, it's the Herd
on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin.
My bad. No, the third time of the fourth time
doesn't matter. Third time, h third time is well, not
really a charm. Okay, let's turn our attention to the NFL. Like,
(11:44):
here's what's really cool now? Right, So now we're in
the window of no, it's not the real thing, but
it's as close to the real thing as we'll get
to until college football kicks off. Houston taken on Pittsburgh tonight.
Part of what do we got? Three preseason games? Right, Philly, Baltimore,
we'll get to that, Atlanta, Miami, we'll get to that.
(12:05):
But Houston the surprise team in the NFL last year, right,
I don't think anybody thought rookie quarterback, rookie coach would
be that good that soon. Take it on Pittsburgh where
you got Mike Tomlin once again last year, rabbit out
of his you know what. No offense. Their offense was
in fact defensive, and yet they still found a way defensive, stellar,
(12:26):
rebuilt the offensive line, have town at wide receivers brought
into quarterbacks. One used to be good, not seen as
good now. One was the number one overall pick was
what the number two overall pick was that Justin f
you know, Justin Fields was what so top first round
pick but seen as a guy who could be a dude,
(12:48):
and Chicago was like, yeah, we're good, we're going with
We're going with Caleb Williams. Let's welcome in Eric Mangini.
He joins us now in the herd. Course, Eric for
a long time assistant with the Patriots, sits with the Niners,
head coach of the Jets, head coach of the Browns.
Let me start with Pittsburgh. I'm told there's some sort
(13:09):
of quarterback competition. I don't buy it. Not that I
think that Russell Wilson still has much left in the tank,
but he's shown himself to be a very good quarterback
for a long time, whereas Justin Fields really hasn't. Do
you believe there's a quarterback competition in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Well, the first thing I'll say about Pittsburgh is I
love the fact that they have both those guys there,
and the fact that they got both those guys for
five million, which is the same that same amount of
money that Joe Flacco is making a season. It's a
pretty great situation in an area where you know, obviously
they haven't found necessarily the answer, but this is a
(13:47):
good short term solution and hopefully one of these guys
becomes the answer. I would say my personal feeling on this,
and this is different than most people. I honestly feel
this to take the approach of playing both players and
they should have packages for both players and and what
that does is it creates such a significant amount of
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pressure on your opponent because you have to spend time
preparing for the things that each of those players does
really well. And I get that that's unconventional, but each
guy is looking for something moving forward. Each guy brings
a distinct skill set. Each guy should play in their
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own right, you know, based off of where that team is.
And I think that would be the most effective and
interesting way to do it, where it's easy for Pittsburgh
and hard for their opponents. I can't imagine that they
will take that step so understanding that I would say, yeah,
there's there's probably a competition in the sense that when
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you watch usin fields of practice, he's going to make
a bunch of plays that are really excited. He runs
extremely well, can make guys miss, throws the ball down
the field, and there's there's a plays that that pop.
And and then you have Russell Wilson, who has a
history of success, is much more consistent. He hasn't been
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where he was, but there's there's a higher level of
certainty with with what you can get, and you're banking
that you're going to get the upside of Russell Wilson
and and get somewhere relatively close to where he was historically.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Stug gottlieb In for column, This is the hurd on
Fox Sports trade of the iHeartRadio app. Okay, let's let's
get to Houston. It's year two, Okay, but you know
everybody makes adjustments. Are there adjustments that are going to
catch up to the Houston Texan specifically on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
The biggest question mark for for Houston, and I talked
about this a lot with Detroit going into last season,
is success is something that you have to learn how
to deal with, just like adversity is. And here's a
team that had more success than anybody expected. If I
say light of as you talked about the brooking head coach,
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the rooky quarterback. So they surprise everybody and now they're
hit with this barrage of expectations and also a different
level of respect. So how does the team deal with
that success and how well do they understand that you
don't get to start where you finish. You've got to
do all the things that you did really well last year,
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but you've got to do them better because everybody is
playing you differently. Everybody has prepared for you differently than
they did the year before. And it's not only the
intensity of the way they prepare for you and the
intensity of the way that they play you, but also
the amount of information they have in terms of what
your tendencies are from a scheme perspective and from an
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individual perspective, which nobody had any of that information going
into last season.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Completely fair. What do you think of Tua's deal with Miami?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I'm happy for Tua. Ta's season really was was the
anti Jordan Love season where two was was really good
early and faded down the stretch. And when you look
at his wins, they were I think ten to one
against non playoff teams and one in six against playoff teams.
(17:37):
I think those numbers are accurate, But what concerned me
more is his last three games his quarterback rating was
in the seventies and sixties, which is extremely disappointing and
much lower than what it had been throughout the course
of the season. They were they had that slide where
they went into they win in the final five games
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with three game lead to win the division and end
up losing division. So it was that lack of production
or underperformance at the end of the season where Jordan
Lowe's skyrocketed the other way, which made me think maybe
they would hold off on the contract. But you have
that in addition to the fact of his injury history,
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and his injury history is unique because it's concussions, and
you know those are you can get hit, you know,
from your blind side and get a concussion. It's not
it's so unpredictable. But his next concussion could, you know, unfortunately,
be something that lasts a lot longer from injury perspective
than something else.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Totally fair. Eric Mangini is our guest here. I'm Doug
Gottliep feeling for colinist The Hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio
app What ultimately happens with Brandon Ayuk after it's been
reported he turned down the money he wanted from the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
That's a great question. That he wants the money that
other receivers have gotten and and he has a pretty
strong argument to make in terms of getting that money.
And I get that, but at the point where that
money may not be available in San Francisco, it doesn't
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look like what he wants is currently available in San Francisco.
But now they've give him the opportunity to go out
and negotiate a deal somewhere else. Now it starts becoming
more challenging because you don't want to stay here at
what we're offering you, and you don't want to go
to a place that we can make a deal with
where they're offering you the money that you want. He's
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going to have to He's going to probably have to
give on one of those two issues. Otherwise this is
just going to remain an impass and and nobody wins.
And even though he signs a new contract, let's say,
you know, however, many weeks down into the season or
who knows how long push cuff through, you're still losing
money away that you know, you're not getting it back.
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And hopefully this guess resolves soon for him because it
gives clarity to the forty nine ers, it gives clarity
to him, and it also gives his new team an
opportunity to actually get some value from the big contract
they're gonna pay him.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Who's the team we should be talking about that we're.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Not in what sense in terms of us?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
That's good. I mean, like, look, we spent we use
a lot of oxygen on the Cowboys. They're gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
We've used some oxygen on the Eagles, who were just
okay last year after a hot start, but obviously they
won a super Bowl. They've been to a Super Bowl,
They've been super competitive. There's some talk on Kansas City,
not a ton, but it does feel like I mean,
I could go through fifteen teams that no one brings
up in national sports radio, from the Seahawks to the Rams,
to the Charge, to the Raiders, to the Browns to
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the Vikings to the like nobody talks about. But we're
missing somebody. The Lions nearly went to a Super Bowl
last year. I didn't love some of their play calling,
decision making at the end of the at the end
of the San Francisco game, but they did. Nobody talked
about the Lions on that level to start the year.
If you had to guess, before we ever get this
thing kicked off, who's somebody we should be talking about?
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And we probably will be come December.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Although the Lion and we're grouping the Lions and the
teams that we don't really talk about. Yes, yeah, look,
the Lions. To me, I was as skeptical as anybody
going into last season that I was even skeptical after
the opening game of the season where they were they
were tagged to kick off the season against Kansas City,
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which really hadn't been done. You know, the only few
times had been done had been the Dallas Cowboys, and
I thought, as good as they finished the pre season
and all the hype that was going into him, it
was a reach to put him in that category. So
they beat Kansas City and the opener, and they dealt
with success, probably as good as you can deal with success.
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And then that to me is a huge check mark
on the trajectory of the club overall. Then you know
how demanding the head coaches and it seems like he's
both physically demanding, and he's also demanding from a mental
perspective in terms of how he expects those guys to
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perform in the classroom, the level of commitment, all the
intangible aspects of football. But as guys talk about him,
this is very, very rarely do you even hear a
hint of complaining. Guys have completely bought into that level
of discipline that that he's instilled and that he consistently
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requires the players. That's a huge, huge check mark. Now
they were able to retain both coordinators, there's continuity, that
there's the expectations. To me is another great situation for them.
The fact that we're not talking about them. That's where
you want to be going into the season. You know,
you don't want to be dealing with a ton of
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expectations that can be debilitating, especially to younger guys. But
to be going in under the radar, after all they
had seved last year, that's the we're definitely going to
be talking about them. And I shot them really really
late into their season.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Okay, what about Jordan Love. I mean, Jordan Love had
slow start. There were times when it's like yes, and
then obviously went through a stretch there where you played
great football. Now he's got a new contract, talented but
really young roster. What does Jordan Love's second time around
as a starting quarterback look like?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, I didn't love that Jordan Love renegotiated his contract
prior to last season. To me, it felt like he
didn't really have confidence and what he was going to
do as a starter, And to some degree, it felt
like Green Bay didn't really have confidence and what he
was going to do as a starter. Now fast forward,
it worked out well for him because he was able
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to get the deal that that he got. But it's
it's hard after you get a new contract the view
things the same way. And this is this is always difficult, Doug.
Where you pay a guy, either in free agency or
you pay one of your own guys, and they want
to go out and justify the money and and and
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it's great that they want to prove you right, but
oftentimes when guys are trying to prove you right, they're
they're pushing, they're pressing and doing stuff that's inconsistent with
what got him in the contract in the first place.
And to me that that's a it's something they have
to get over and I really thought that Philadelphia had
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figured it out last year because it looked like Jalen
Hurts is on track for another great season and the
team overall was on track. They really fought two things
quarterback getting a big contract and the Super Bowl hangover,
and we saw that how that worked out. So that's
my biggest concern with Jordan Love is how does he
view the money and he's he pressing or is he
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or is he half perspective and really take a look
at the things that he did better in the second
half of the season and try to incrementally build on that,
not trying to take this giant leap and suddenly be
on the Aaron Rodgers and have back to back MVP seasons.
That that, to me, will be It will be the
thing that sets him back the most.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
That's the one only Eric Mangini some people call him
the man genius of course, long time NFL head and
assistant coach, Eric, You're the best. Thanks so much for
joining us in the herd. Awesome guy. You guys cut
him off. He was gonna say, I'm awesome and then
you cut him off to he that's what you did do. Yeah,
are you going to do you have, you can do that.
You know what, Let's get to Ryan Music with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
This is the herd Line News, Doug. I want to
make one thing very very clear before we move on
to the news. I personally would never do that to
the man genius. That is all I know. Greg too,
Greg Twoy, Yeah, so always grateful to have Manganie on
the show. We'll pick up where you guys left off.
Let's touch on some NFL here. Forty nine ers have
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played in two Super Bowls in the last five years.
For the last five NFC championship games. With veteran players
on the rosters like Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Trent Williams,
even Deebo Samuel, there are questions about how much longer
this group can maintain their status as perennial contenders. Well,
Kittle spoke with The Athletic and he had this to say,
(26:47):
talking about a window closing and all that type of stuff.
All I know is that currently, right now we have
a really good roster and I'm just going to try
to attack it every single day With the really good
roster that I have not worried about the future. George
Kittle simply focused on the now.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, I mean we could read into all that stuff.
I don't the Niners need to win this year, right,
They've they've been so close and haven't gotten it done.
The Niners need to win this year because there's too
many good players there to not get over the threshold.
And now they nearly lost to the not just the
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not just the Lions, but nearly lost to the Packers
the week before that.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Yeah, very competitive.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So yeah, I mean I was a game with the
Packers can move the ball at all. They they probably
they probably win that thing, but in the second half.
But I do think that a lot of this frustration
comes from ultimately not winning it. I think they win
it and then a lot of those guys go elsewhere
and they got to rebuild it anywhere. But this feels
like the year they got to win it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
And I will say, out of all of those players,
as much as they are veterans, and Trent Williams is
really the only one where you're really looking at like,
oh wow, Yeah, I mean he's coming up on the
end of his career. Now, he's still great and he
could probably play until maybe almost forty like a Andrew Whitworth,
but the others look like they still have plenty left
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to go in their career. In preseason action in the NFL,
Patriots quarterback competition could be getting a little interesting. Number
three overall pick Drake May played just one series, didn't
do much. But Joe Milton, doug the Milton Mania, as
some have said on social media, played a good amount
of the second half, showed off some dynamic moves as
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a runner, as well as going four for six fifty
seven yards with a touchdown. And if you remember this
now comes after last week some reports about Milton playing
really well in practice and looking better than May, something
Colin has sort of touched on. He had his hesitations
about May coming out of North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Now we know.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Brissette's going to be the starter to start the season,
but so far, maybe some Drake madye Joe Milton competition
happening for New England.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Man listen, and Joe Milton's kind of been a tease
throughout his career. Memory sure, first won the job with Michigan,
then he left that was that was during the COVID year,
I think, right, the COVID year screwed kind of skewed everything.
Then he was He was the one who replaced Hennon Hooker,
and Hennon Hooker was having a great year. And the
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problem with Joe Milton has never been arm talent. He's
got an incredible arm, credible, but he's twenty four. He
can be inaccurate and it doesn't matter how far you
throw the ball. I just I feel like he's a
camp creation. I could be wrong, sure, but I think
he's a camp creation. You can't tell me that. Michigan
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and Tennessee both decide like if he was really, is
it possible that they missed? Yes, is it possible he's
better for the program? Sure, but I don't think that's
the case. He has he throws an unbelievable deep ball. Unreal.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Well, we'll wrap up with this, Doug. Back to the Olympics.
US track star Noah Liles wanted to become the first
American male athlete since Carl Lewis to win gold in
both the one hundred and two hundred meter sprints, but
did end up with bronze in the two hundred while
also battling COVID Now following the two hundred meter race
gold medalists that Cila Tobago of Botswana had this interesting
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comment to say about being the face of the sport.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
For me, I can't be the phase of athletics because
I'm not an arrogant or a loud person like Noah.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
So I believe no is the face of athletics.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
So sort of a not so subtle shot about being
loud and arrogant for Noah Liles. I think the thing
that's interesting here is, you know, they talk about how
Usain Bolt was the face of the sport and when
you whether it's in this is no disrespect to anyone
who does track or any of these sort of Olympic sports.
But like Usain Bolt became the quote unquote face of
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track because he transcended into mainstream popular culture by how
incredibly dominant he was. Like, I don't think just because
you win a gold medal doesn't automatically mean you're some
household name, right, Like like we know Michael Phelps as
the face of swimming because he's like the greatest Olympian
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of all time, not just because he won one or
two gold medals as the best swimmer in the world
at in Olympic Games.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Correct, correct? Yeah, I mean, but there is something too,
the you know, like Noah Lyles, and it's just a
lot of drama and it's interesting. There's a certain amount
of WNBA to them, where people don't pay attention to
track and field runners for three and a half years,
then all of a sudden we pay attention and they're
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you know, the dynamic ones seem to be look at me, people.
This is Shikari Richardson right where she's staring down the
other runner at the end of the floor by one hundred,
but she didn't actually win the hunter meter dash, so
like again, seems like misplaced arrogance. A little bit the
same thing with Noah Lyles, like I get it, you're fast,
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but this feels like I need attention because I don't
get it all year long. And that's right.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
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Speaker 3 (33:09):
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Welcome in obviously live in Central time zone. Now I
wake up every day. I got Dan Patrick into Colin
into my show, and I think most people know not
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just of Jason actually obviously on the show, but also
his Straight Fire podcast. I happened to Crank Up because
I was up really early this morning the Crank the
Straight Fire podcast, and I heard Jason McIntyre once again
railing on Steve Kerk for not playing Jason Tatum well,
because he's such a regular part, he's, you know, part
of the show. I thought, you know, maybe he's on vacation,
(33:56):
maybe he's got his phone off. He didn't. He wants
to join us little debate, little Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind the very
last segment. It's time for Best for Last.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
All right, let's welcome in. He's Jason McIntyre, co host
of The Herd but also the host of the Straight
Fire Podcast. And Jason, I'll give you the floor. What
pray tell, did Steve Kurr do wrong yesterday in there
come back from a seventeen point deficit win.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Well, let me start by congratulating you on the new
coaching gig. I mean I've texted you about it, but
haven't actually spoken to you.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Congrats, that's amazing, Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
So now let me blast Steve Kerr real quick. So,
first of all, Steve Kerr did not bring them back
from down seventeen Okay, Steph Curry, Lebron and Embiid did.
Steve Kerr Actually, you could argue, helped dig them that
hole by his clunky rotations and you could see this
coming you. No, Hoops is as well as anybody. Embiid
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is going to get attacked in the drop coverage relentlessly.
Teams are going to attack Steph Curry and call for
the switch and go after him. There was an option
multiple times to get Jason Tatum in there and go big. Ultimately,
Kerr finally capitulated and went with Kevin Durant lebron NMBID
a bigger lineup. He had been playing a lot of
three guard looks and there were multiple options, like, dude,
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put Tatum in. Anthony Edwards is a turnover machine. He's
struggling some of these younger I mean bam Adebayo's taking
corner threes. Bro the sink Puerto Rico. Okay, this is
like down fifteen against Serbia with one of the best
players in the world and Nicola Jokic. I just thought
Steve Kerr had a brutal performance. I didn't get on
his case as much earlier in the in the Olympics
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for not playing Tatum. I got it, but there were
multiple options for him to play Tatum at the two,
the three hell before, they had a lot of options.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Doug, I was just disappointed, and okay.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Let me let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me help, let me, let me help you, Let
me help you does Jason Tatum rebound?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Jason Tatum rebounds as well as anybody led the Celtics
and rebounds in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Does Jason Tatum rebound? Does Jason Tatum guard the post?
Does Jason Tatum guard guards? Does Jason Tatum do anything
other than score? And has Jason Tatum been playing efficiently? Okay, again,
you're telling you're saying you should You're you're you were
saying he should first take out Joel Embiid and Steph
Curry because he knew what was coming. If not for
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Joel Embiid and Steph Curry, you have no chance yesterday, none.
And you have to have Lebron in there, Okay, because
Lebron Okay, but but why Okay. One, he's a cable
shooter too. He's played without an ego, not trying to
go one on one three. Most importantly, he's physical and
he's rebounding. And it's a different sport than the NBA.
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It's different, and you can't just go and start start
getting guys off of the bench and just start wheeling them.
You just Okay, so it's a forty minute game, You're like,
don't play Anthony Edwards. He barely played. No, no, no,
don't play.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Struggling. When they were playing, they struggled, And that was
the opportunity to get Tatum and listen, Bogdanovitch is out
here looking like an All NBA player, looking like a.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Nobody could defend him. They were getting the switches drew
holiday match up with jok It was an annihilation. There
were opportunities to get Tatum into defend. Listen, man, I'll
take Tatum against Bogdanovitch any day of the week, as would.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
You, But nobody could, none of the guards.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I would not tell I would not take it. I
would not take him in an international game ahead of Bogdanovich.
That's the part that you'd't understand. Like I'm not I'm
not in any way trying to sound condescending, but it's
gonna sound condescending. You've never actually even seen an international
game played live, let alone played or coached in one.
It's a completely different sport. And while bog Don Bogdanovitch
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in the NBA, it's a complete mismatch him versus Jason
Tate him. This ain't the NBA, dude, It's not so
what you're saying. What you're saying is from your chair
in and I don't know where you are in California.
Know you travel a ton and you have a great
time your kids. From your chair, you know more about
what a team needs and what a team fits and
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what they need than Steve Kerr, who he's not just
evaluating based on this game you do.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Steve Kerr has what five rings as a coach and
like another five as a player.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I mean, you know me, I coach my kids in sports.
We got chips, I got the men's league team in LA.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
We now listen. It doesn't mean it doesn't It doesn't
mean he's it doesn't mean he's impervious to criticism. Okay
it doesn't. Okay it doesn't. But I think what Anthony
Edwards struggle with is the same thing that Jason Tatum
struggles with, which is like, again, you're used to being
the guy. You're used to being able to have a
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volume of shots, and if you missed your first five,
it doesn't matter you make your next five. You don't
have that international competition, you don't. You're playing in a
completely different style. The officiating is different. The player more
than anything you're not the focal point.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And he know the.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Defenses are different, the rules are different, the basketball is different.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
We know all that, Doug.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
What we do don't know is why Tatum wasn't playing.
And frankly, if I'm Jason Tatum and you know the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Are like, hey, sorry, we didn't play you a lot.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
You're our centerpiece for twenty and twenty eight, I would
tell him, hey, man, half off, No thanks, I don't
need this again.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Cool the no play, well, we'll find We'll find twelve
guys who do want to play. You do want to
play for a count.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
And you know what, this is a scary thing, Doug.
Deep curR needed to rely on the KG veterans to
bring him back and save his hide. Okay, it is
very interesting going to twenty eight because all those guys
are going to be gone. I don't think he Ded's back.
I can't imagine Embid's going to be back now. Lebron
Durant Curry like, whoa where are we going to turn?
You've got to get Tatum in there to usher in
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the next era. You're telling me you couldn't find ten
minutes for him, Doug, that's an abomination.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
No, because if you have ten minutes, then whose minutes
are you shrinking? Then you're gonna you're gonna play him
ten minutes. You think you're really gonna get something out again,
so tell me where the Yes, Derek White's a point
guard who can guard five positions. Okay, Jason Tatum is it?
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Is it against Serbia?
Speaker 6 (40:15):
He was not, He could not. Now, I know Derek White,
not the Olympic.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
But the Serbia game was extremely physical, Doug. Yes, and
Jason Tatum is more built for that with his length
than you're.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
You're You're just you're you're taking it. You're taking it
like it's fantasy basketball. You're like, oh, he's a little
bit taller. Okay, so he's gotta be his length. He's
like an inch taller than Derek White. The big thing
is this, Okay, Derek White doesn't need the ball to
be effective. He doesn't, Okay, Jason Tatum needs the ball.
Hold on, let me finish, Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum needs
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the basketball to be effective. Okay. And again, you're viewing
the sport from the prism of I'm an NBA fan.
I've watched the NBA. I know he's better than bug
Dog Bogdanovich. He is in the NBA, totally different sport,
totally different games, and basically and and my and my
guess is, my guess is that he's gotten his butt
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kicked and really struggle with the mentality of playing as
one of the guys. It might not be for him.
And that's okay, right, I Mean, the perfect example is
Damian Lillard. Last time came into the Olympics and he
was considered one of the elite guards. He was terrible
with the Olympic team.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
Why.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's a different sport and it's not based around one guy.
You got to be a catch and shoot shooter. You
got to be able to guard with great physicality, play
without the basketball. That none of those things are what
Jason Tatum does. And that doesn't mean he's not going
to play in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Now, that's just embarrassing. Come on, Doug, you know Tatum
can play off the ball. He's fine not being to
tell Jalen Brown was the.
Speaker 6 (41:51):
MVP of the Finals?
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Taken?
Speaker 5 (41:52):
What what? What?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Why was that?
Speaker 5 (41:54):
What?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Why was that?
Speaker 6 (41:54):
Tatum?
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Let No?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
No, did did Tatum? Did Tatum have a good Finals?
Did him have a good finals, he.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Did he I don't know.
Speaker 6 (42:02):
Let me start a hear.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
He led the Celtics and points th rebounds, in assists.
Is that a good final?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
No, he didn't have a good finals. Nobody would say.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
In the entire postseason in points, three bounds in assistant
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
I didn't ask about. I didn't. I didn't ask about
I didn't ask about the playoffs. Okay, I asked about
the finals.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Well, in the finals he led them an assists and
rebounds end points, So is that good? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Was he the MVP?
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I mean, come on, man was on him a little
too much? No?
Speaker 3 (42:31):
No, I'm just I'm just being honest. Like, I think
he's a really, really talented scorer. I think he say
he'd never take He's like Kobe in that he never
takes an easy shot. Every shot is a difficult shot. Okay.
His stats in the finals, he wasn't good. Okay, he
wasn't good. There's just you can't convince me otherwise, right,
I mean he had he had two games, which one
(42:52):
he's eleven of twenty six. One he's eleven of twenty four. Right,
this is a guy that's used this Okay, and that's
what he does. He's a score that's his job. His
job is to score, but he.
Speaker 5 (43:02):
Also scores and facilitates. He led the team and assists
not only in the finals, but in the entire playoffs.
He's a great past he.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Stop stop that. He's a great passer. Stop stop stop
stop that. He's a great pastor stop Jason. It's a
different sport, okay, in international basketball from the NBA. That's
Jason McIntyre. You can hear him daily. That's our best.
For last, I'm Doug Gottlieb. Have yourself a great weekend.
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