August 14, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the latest with the Brandon Aiyuk situation and brings up the risk of holding in being that the team might see a younger player that could take his place. Doug welcomes New York Times Best-selling author Ian O'Conner on the show to talk about his new book: OUT OF THE DARKNESS: The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers (on sale where you get your books August 20, you can pre-order now). Plus, Nick Koop takes Doug through a game of "For Better Or Worse?".
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There is a lot, a lot to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I like this story because we've been talking about a
lot the whole outs and the hold ins and brandan
a Yuk continues to hold out hold in whatever. The
Niners and the Steelers reportedly have the framework of a
deal in place, but the forty nine ers are still
trying to work out a deal for a Yuk right
it's the old idea of like, look, you can go
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there and make a little bit more money, or you
can stay here and you know, be successful. Here's George Kittle,
his tight end on the wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I love having him as a teammate.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
But like, the one benefit to him not practicing and
stuff is a lot of younger guys get all these
reps and they get a they're getting important reps with
the ones and with Brock that they wouldn't be getting,
you know otherwise. And I'm not going to take probably
any rookie over Brandon, Like I'm not going to do that.
But the fact that now these young guys get these reps,
it's going to put them in a position to succeed
if we can't figure stuff out with Brandon, and they'll
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be more ready for a season as opposed to like
just riding the like going with the twos and the
threes the whole time. So, you know, it just it
just kind of his.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
What it is, No, it definitely is what it is.
It's never what it's not. But he brings up a
great point. This is the old for people who know
in television, Jay Leno, right. Jay Leno famously famously would
never take a night off, and his reason for never
taking a night off is he didn't want anybody else
to come in and do a better job than Jay
Leno did, right, reading some cute cards, having some pregnant pauses,
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doing some interviews, talking about his fancy car collection. It's like, look,
if I don't take a night off, then nobody can
come in and show they're better than me, and I'll
just again, I'll be honest with you. That's kind of
how I've always been wired. Like I'd love to look
back and see how many days off in my life
I still have a crude because I don't take them off.
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Today's example now should be pointing out today is a
pretty special day. Ian O'Connor, who fantastic writer and of
course author. He's written the Was It Unauthorized Biography of
Aaron Rogers. He's going to join us at half past
the hour, so it's like one of those like I
didn't really want to take the day off because I
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want to talk to Ian about his process the book,
what Aaron said about it, what we know, what we
don't know, Like i'd actually think, and I mean this
not just because we're having him on if there's one
current sports figure that we all know but we don't
know and yet we're interested in what he's really like.
And the fact that he didn't really contribute to the book,
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although he did answer some questions at some point after
most of the book and sourcing was done. I think
it's just perfect timing for Aaron Rodgers coming off in
Achilles in New York, the fact that you know, he
went on his own personal vacation instead of going to
off season training like all of that stuff. The timing
could not be better for a book, and the person couldn't
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be better for a book that we want to learn
more about than Aaron Rodgers, because he's this not nefarious creature,
but definitely a notorious kind of clandestine figure where people
know he's dated a lot of women, but people don't
know what makes him tick. And that's what this book,
I believe, is mostly here to tell us, but not
from a second and third person perspective, not from a
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first person perspective. But getting back to Ayuk, that's the
reality of it. Like if you don't practice for all
of training camp, all it takes is for people to
fall in love with their guys and Oh yeah, By
the way, that's I think the biggest issue with being
traded to somewhere right where the Pittsburgh Steelers sitting there
going like, yeah, we have George Dickens. He may not
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live up to his athletic talent and we have an
issue at quarterback. But man, you know, I like this
guy and I like that guy. I like the other guy.
You end up loving the guys that you see, you see,
you know, and then you start talking yourself into like,
well we keep him. It's going to cost us thirty
million dollars. We don't keep them. This guy costs us
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a million dollars. What are we been talking about? And
I do think that being wally pipped is too dated.
And the truth is, Jay Stu, you and I discussed
this before the show. Even saying you got bloodsod, even
say you got bledsode is an issue, right because Drew
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Bledsoe when he got hurt and Tom Brady came in.
That was two thousand and one. That's two thousand and one,
was the first game after nine to eleven, and uh
was it Mo who is the linebacker for the Jets
who hit him and knocked him into the next week
knocked to knock Bledsoe. In the next week, mo Mo
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Mo mo Lewis, mo Lewis hit him. But even to say, like,
of course, Wally Pip was the guy who Lou Garrigg
replaced Lou Garrigg, who is the iron horse. Wally Pip
never got his job back, you know, mo Lewis, now
again this wasn't a holdout, but mo Lewis not. Drew Bledsoe.
In the next week, Drew Bledsoe never got his job back,
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And the question becomes the San Francisco Final forty Niners
sit there and go like, yeah, we're fine, because that's
kind of where they are at quarterback. It'd be interesting
to see what they do with brock Party because at quarterback,
I think they got to the point with Jimmy Garoppo
like it's a lot of money, he's always hurt. We're fine.
And whether you want to call it Drew Bledsoe or
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while he pipped or or whomever, or you know not,
you know, not wanting to You don't want to run
the risk of somebody else performing your job better. I,
by the way, I do that all the time when
I'm off. I don't listen. I don't look at the comments.
I know everybody's gonna know he's better than your show.
It's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. The motivator, but it's terrifying.
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But the holdouts hold in is the least discussed part
about it. Is like, while you're holding out or while
you're holding in, somebody else is getting to run those
same routes and they're doing it for cheaper, right, And
we could sit there and go like, why do you
want to go cheaper? Who doesn't When you put out
a bid for something, you may not go to lowest bidder,
but you definitely go to a lower bidder. Why do
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you think so many of the things that we have
are made overseas not because we don't like American workers,
It's because, man, American workers and unions cost more. You know,
it's the same thing. We call it agism. But a
lot of times people who are younger now, when they're younger,
there's there's other issues that come with it. Lack of
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experience in both the workforce and in professional sports. Okay,
you don't know what the quality is going to be
like when it really matters. The most same thing when
you're overseas and it's a factory and you don't have
controls over those things, but there are some benefits, and
cost being a benefit, but also the chance to see
and get opportunities and get reps a massive benefit that
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Brandon Ayuk is frankly donating to several young from the
Niners s. Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio
really got a really good show, happy about it, excited
about it. By the way, Ceedee Lambs wants Micah Parson
wants a new contract. Michael Parsons of course talking about
Cedde Lamb's money. That's it's kind of a scene as
in no. Now, you do see the pattern here right,
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wide receivers wanting new contracts, holding out, holding in what
is it comparison is the thief of joy. And yet
all these wide receivers compare themselves to other wide receivers
that have gotten paid. I just Jason knows this. I tire,
I tire of talking about contract extensions like you're under contract.
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Okay if you if you think you're gonna get more
money because you're holding out, like, good luck to you.
No one wants to see anybody get hurt, especially non
contact stuff. But I'm telling you, I still think the
best way to get paid is to threaten to hold
out or to hold in. But go out there and
perform and show that you're all in because once they
see you and see how much better you are, then
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the other guys around you, the more likely they are
to pay you. But every year we have these holdouts holdings.
Le'Veon Bell was the last guy to hold out for
a whole season and that did not work out well
for him. I wouldn't be scared at all if I
was one of these teams.
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Do you guys know what earworm is? I'm in j
I'm sorry. I so. Jay stew Are our steam producer.
He's got hearing issues you said a cochlear implant. It's not.
It has nothing to do with an actual worm in
your ear. Sammy, do you know what what what an
earworm is?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I do.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And earworm is actually one of Jason Stewart's favorite words.
He uses it all the time.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
And we're just talking about your famous earworms yesterday, and
I think the two examples that came to mind readily
were Proud Mary h rolling down the river, and there
was another one that just gets in your head and
you can't get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes, this is a song that a hook or a
melody or a song that gets in your head and
it just keeps running in your head and you can't
get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yes. A matter of fact, there's a Cranberry song that's
been remade and my son and his buddy were singing
it and I just I finally I yell at him like,
you guys got to stop. I can't hear it anymore.
You have an earworm, but you're passing on to me
like I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
What's the song? I Love the Cranberries or Linger Linger?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Linger?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Who remade Linger?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I don't know. They were singing it and they were
like we just heard it. I was like, Nason, well
that's the song when I was in high school. I
think it was remade anyway, point is that earworms can't
get Also, sometimes sometimes when you say, like, don't say
the F word, don't say the F word, don't say
the F word. What do you always do? You say
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the F word? At least that's how I am. I
just you know, you try and forget it. I bring
that up. Yeah, I do that because remember was he
yesterday we found out how son Ridik wanted to be
traded right or yesterday became public that you want to
be traded again. Remember was traded in the off season
by the Eagles to the Jets. The Jets remain just
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really steadfast in their approach here that they won him
on the Jets. You all you gotta do is take
Robert Sala's Tuesday response, for example, when he was asked
about the batter.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
It's not I promise you it's not. It's not frustrating
because I don't have control over it. But like I said,
we're excited about our group, still looking forward for him
to get here when he's ready, and when he's ready,
we're going to embrace them with open arms and to
get ready to attack the moments that he brings to us.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Here's his quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, talking about the star defensive player.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Aaron, what's your take on a situation where a teammate
requests to trade even though he has yet to have
a single practice with that team?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
What has always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years, I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player. I don't know him well. I've had
a couple messages with him, I believe when he got traded,
obviously we'd love for him to be here, but you know,
we don't judge him for trying to do what's best
for him. I think what's best for him is to
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be a Jet because this is going to be a
fun ride. But you know, he's got to make the
best decision for him and his family.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Got to make the best Like I thought, that was
actually really really honest. I think I exchanged tex uss.
Didn't we catch that? Can I hear that first? Really response?
I think I exchanged tex message with them. Let me
take a list of one more time.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
I think he requests the trade, even though he has
yet to have a single practice.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
With that team.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
What there's always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years. I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player. I don't know him well. I've had
a couple messages with him, I believe.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I've I've had a couple of messages with him, I believe.
I think. I'm not really sure if it was him
or not him. I don't know who it was.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Maybe he was tripping on ayahuasca.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I was changing.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I was so high at the time. Oh my god,
was that Hassan Reddick or is that Redick Hassan?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I don't know, Oh man, I believe I think is
the old Hassan. Probably reached out to him twice, and
in the middle of that answer, Aaron Rodgers like, I
don't think I ever got back to him.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, there was a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Did I press end? Did I not? I've ever done that.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
By the way, to my drafts, that's in corporate America.
That's the most used excuse and it's getting back to somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Come on, you didn't hit send. Come on, I had
those listen.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I'll be completely honest. So when I got the coaching job,
I told you guys, I got twenty seven hundred and
thirteen messages and I thought I'd returned them all. And
then you know I I then I went through and
I had hundreds upon hundreds of messages that were unread,
and yet I couldn't find them because after a month,
mne automatically get you know, I have that setting for
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like one month? Is how I how long I hold
them for, which is probably that right?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
A month?
Speaker 6 (15:36):
My gosh, that's a quick trigger amount.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's a lot of time. You know, I'm a big texture,
a big texture. If you weren't a memory, if you
weren't if you weren't the one guy who would ruin
all uh all uh chats because you're not on the
Apple platform, you would know this. You would be on
group chats more. But instead you're the complete you know,
group chat buzzkill because it always pops up green. You're
(16:01):
always like, man, did he block me? No, that's right.
He's the one guy with the motorola hope your flip
phone's doing well, jas to Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Anyway, I thought that was great, Like, yeah,
I don't. I think I return his message. I think
I know him. It's probably good. We want him to play.
But the big thing is Robert Sally going like, nah,
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not a distraction. Not a distraction. Distraction. Who's distracted. I'm
not distracted because it's out of my control. Mmm. Playing
that mental mind game sounds really good. I don't know
if it actually works that way. I do like the
fact that Jets are like we traded for you. You
said you want to play under this contract. You want
to get a bigger contract by playing. Go play. That's
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how all of our contracts work, right. I have a
what a year and a half left of my Fox
Sports Radio contract. What if I went and go like,
you know, listen, I'm not doing anything until I get
a new contract. Like, Okay, we'll find somebody who will
stuck out Leab show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Nick Cope. Ian O'Connor will join us
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here half past the hour, and I just I have
to tell you, like, sometimes what is the Steve Martin
line he and am I dating myself by saying Steve
Martin the comedian.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean, I listen, I appreciate that, Sam, You're an
old soul.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
He's in The Only Murders in the Building is a
very popular show right now. So I think he's very
He's still very relevant.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, yes, So so he used to do stand up comedy.
I don't think he does stand up comedy anymore, but
he used to stand up comedy and one of his
big lines was, comedy is all about tie tie ty timing, right,
And I think in many ways, book sales are the same, right,
They're they're the same. And if we were to be
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honest and we were to say, like, who do you
really want to know about in sports? I think I
want to know about Kaitlyn Clark. I mean, there's no
bigger name right now in sports than Kaitlyn Clark. That's fair.
I think I'd probably want to know about Caleb Williams.
He seems interesting, Definitely gen Z definitely of a different
kind of evolution pattern than the old school quarterbacks. I
would like to know about kind of the last four
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or five years of Tom Brady. It seems like obviously,
the team switch, the Super Bowl the way it ended,
the retirement, come back, the divorce, all those things now
into broadcasting after a year of you know, a year
of kind of taking a year off, Like all those
things are interesting. But as we get ready for the
football season last year, the first week of the season,
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we were just waiting, waiting, waiting for Monday Night football
and Aaron Rodgers ran out onto the MetLife Field with
the American flag. You're like, this is incredible. You have
to be a Jets fan, Like, holy cow, Aaron Rodgers
is a Jet. This really happened. And of course there's
the parallel to Brett Favre becoming a Jet as well.
Five plays any Taris Achilles attendant, And you know, then
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there's been the McAfee appearances, you know, no showing on
some off season activities to go to Egypt, and Aaron
generally being Aaron. But when you're trying to find a
figure that people want to learn about, that they know
of and think they know some about, I can't tell
you how good at timing this is. With the book,
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it's called Out of the Darkness The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers,
and so and so wherever you get your books. August twentieth,
you can pre order now, and it's authored by an
outstanding author of New York Times bestselling author In O'Connor
joins it down the Doug go Outlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio. I mentioned how good the timing is and
leading up to you joining us IAN, when did you
start this process? When did you say I got to
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write about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
Hey, Doug, first, congratulations on the coaching job and thanks
for having me on. I actually was under contract to
write a biography of Lebron James and then another Lebron
James book within the works that I was unaware of.
So that comes out, and I'm thinking there's going to
be some Lebron fatigue here if I go forward with
his project. At the same time, Aaron got traded into
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my backyard in New York, and I thought he was
the most polarizing player in the NFL and also maybe
the most prominent American male athlete who hasn't had a
defining bio written about him. So I essentially traded Lebron
for Aaron. Hopefully that was a good trade, and I'll
leave that up to the readers. But I've always been
I don't know about you, but I've always been fascinated
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by him from Afar. He's a mystifying character. Obviously, Obviously
in recent years he has changed in terms of his
public image. I mean he's become a villain. He was
not a villain before COVID No, but that's changed, and
so that definitely interested me as well, just to dive
into how he changed, why he changed, and just why
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he is the way he is.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
What is what's your process like, what's your process like?
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Our process is just calling as many people as humanly
possible who were in his life, I mean, starting in
elementary school, teachers, classmates, and really I started this book
in chapter one with his grandfather, who was an amazing
World War Two combat pilot, and that story had never
been told, who flew forty four missions against the Hitler
war machine and had some amazing acts of heroism and
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valor that had never been reported before. So that actually
is chapter one is two generations prior, and Aaron did
not know really almost any of the details of his
grandfather's service. And he is buried in Arlington National for
a reason. He was one of the greatest members of
the greatest generation. So those are the stories I love
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to tell in these books. Unfortunately, of course, with his
family estrangement, that had to be a part of it.
One thing Doug that I appreciated was when I explained
that to Aaron, you understand, I have to write about
this family division. He understood, And a lot of superstar
athletes I've been around would not have understood that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So quick backstory, there was about probably a year and
a half where Aaron and I were friendly via tech.
We hung out the final four to one year. He
did let me in on a little bit of his backstory,
and I don't want you to give away the whole book,
but what happened was obviously his brother made it public
(22:14):
that there was a rift in the family when he
was on the bachelorette, right, and then everybody's like, oh, hey,
Aeron doesn't even get on. What were you able to discern?
Was that? Was it all Olivia Munn when she was
she the Yoko that split up this family?
Speaker 9 (22:28):
No, I think the family believed that, or some family
members believe that. But he hasn't dated her in seven years,
and this estrangement has become a sort of a living organism.
That Aaron doesn't know how to kill off. But when
he started that relationship in twenty fourteen, he entered that
relationship with thoughts already about his family, and his family
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members disagree with this, by the way, but his perception
was that his generosity with them was not being fully appreciated.
He thought the family unit revolved too much around his
fame and success. And Olivia notarized those feelings. She agreed
with him that was her role in it, and I
think it's really unfair to lay the blame all at
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her feet now. She was a part of it, but again,
he hasn't been with her for a long time. And
he had issues with his brothers, both of them. And
the big issue with Jordan was, you go on to
Bachelorette and you make this estrangement part of the narrative,
and you put two open chairs at the dinner table
signifying that I wasn't there with Olivia. Meanwhile, I wasn't
even invited to that filming, and so he was really
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upset by that. He was upset by some other things
that his older brother Luke did. They were upset with
him skipping a wedding and other family functions and If
you really look at the fifteen reasons for this estrangement,
a lot of them are fairly minor and petty issues,
and so it needs to end. There was a meeting
I have in the book with his father, an emotional
meeting last summer at Lake Tahoe that lasted thirty seconds
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at the golf tournament there, but it was emotional. They
told each other, I love you, and hopefully that's the
first baby step towards the reconciliation.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I had been told not by Aaron, but by others
that there was also a religious aspect to it to
where they were. The family is very very religious, and
he and some people thought it was Olivia, but he's
just not and that and that left a rift in
terms of, you know, their feeling.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Yeah, that, by the way, that is true, that that
was apartment of it. Early on, they were devoutly religious,
particularly his mother, and she was really against premoral sex.
So even when he was in the NFL, and I
think after he won the Super Bowl, she was concerned
about him sharing hotel rooms with a girlfriend. And so, yeah,
that that impacted him. And now he's not religious at all.
He's just he calls himself spiritual, So that was a
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part of it more early on, not so much right now.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
How how did he view how it ended in Green.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Bay Listen, I think he, of course, he had the
darkness retreat and he realized that they were ready to
move on to Jordan Love. He also needed a new challenge.
It had ended there once they missed the playoffs, and
it looked that game against Detroit his final game, you
could tell it was over. It was clear. Maybe it
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lasted one year or too long, and they should have
traded them a year earlier. But the Jets are sitting
there is a perfect opportunity for Aaron, and he knew
that because Tom Brady's got seven rings and he's got one,
he's certainly never going to catch him. But if he
realized New York City, if I win a championship for
a Charlie Brown franchise that has a biblical drought, hasn't
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been to a super Bowl since January of nineteen sixty nine,
that's going to feel like three or four rings, not one.
So I thought it was a smart play on his end.
I think he realized that now. Of course, last year
was a disaster, but maybe the football gods finally Owt
Jets fans won and Aaron Rodgers won, and this year
will be the opposite of last year. We'll see how
(25:57):
it plays out.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Trail. That's the voice
of Ian O'Connor, who has written the book Out of
the Darkness. Obviously, Out of the Darkness is a tip
of the Captain of the Darkness retreat. And you know
a lot has been made about his ayahuasca ayahuasca retreats.
Is this something new or has he been doing this
throughout his career ayahuasca.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
No, it started in twenty twenty. So his good friend
Jordan Russell, who by the way, he kicked out of
his life for three years too, but he brought him
back into his life. Jordan Russell goes to Peru, experiences
a ceremony with ayahuasca. He returns and says to Aaron,
you've got to try this. This is great. So Aaron
and Danica Patrick's girlfriend at the time, go to Peru
(26:42):
in twenty twenty. They sit for some ceremonies. He feels
like it's a spiritual cleansing. He becomes a better man,
a better football player. Even he feels like Basically, the
way Jordan Russell described it to me is that ayahuasca
is like a lucid dream with embedded message is and
he just come to terms with yourself when you're sitting
(27:03):
there in a ceremony and you learn things about yourself.
And Aaron said it improved his relationships with other people.
I don't know why that didn't work with his family,
but anyway, he felt that he was a new man,
a new football player. So he's going to use it
for the rest of his career and beyond. But that
started and actually the virus was approaching Peru and they
(27:23):
were about to close the border, so it was really
a race to the border to get out in time
before they closed down the country. And he just made it.
But I suspect that'll be a part of his life
going forward.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What was life like for him when he was rehabbing
the Achilles.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
It was the early hours Doug of that were really
grim and dark. He had a trainer, Aaron Alexander's name
has not been out there, but he essentially moved into
his house and worked with him NonStop. And Aaron Alexander
told me that there were times when Aaron it was
so dark. He was like, the Jets don't even want
me back. I'm done. I can't overcome this. He did
(28:01):
overcome those thoughts, and towards the end of the year
back in NFL History's training. If you rush back and
retear it, that's the end of your career. Let's just
wait till twenty twenty four, Aaron said, Nope, if the
Jets win on December seventeenth in Miami, I'm playing on
(28:23):
Christmas Eve against Washington. And the Jets got blown out
by thirty points in Miami, so it was a moot point.
So the comeback was delayed. Now to this year. It's
a mulligan and we'll see if again the football gods
will finally finally smile on the fatalistic fan base of
the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
How does he want to be remembered.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
I think as an all time great who on the
field off the field, that he was fearless, and I
think that's the one thing I'll give him credit for.
I don't agree with a lot of things he has
said and believes that he holds, but he never fearful
of the consequences of stating his position, and very few
public figures are like that, and so that's usually a
(29:08):
commendable trait. But he does have some far out ideas
on the world and the people running it, so it
hasn't really helped him. There been some unforced error is
the COVID thing two thousand and one in August when
he said, yeah, I've been immunized, that mistake, that self
inflicted wound. And by the way, he admitted to me
that was a mistake and he would do that differently
(29:29):
if given a mulligan. He has not recovered from that.
I mean, he turned into a villain that day, and
unfortunately he has not made up that ground and fully
recovered from it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You know, he paid you, I thought an incredible compliment
when he was Interviewneral yesterday the day before we played
the cut, where he talked about the thoroughness of your
process For people who don't know Ian O'Connor. Joining Us
out of the Darkness is his latest book. It's about
Aaron Rodgers. Just just how thorough is your process? Because again,
this is not something where are you going right sit
(30:01):
with him and he telling and you have your recorder
and he tells you what to say, and what happened
you interviewed a wide gamut of people. Give me a
sense of just how wide that Gama was.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah, and I'll explain it to you like I explained
it to him. And that was right after his press conference,
his first one with the Jets after the trade was made.
Is I talked to hundreds of people, and people from
every aspect of your life, those willing to engage me anyway,
And yeah, I think that's the only way to do it.
And that's how I uncovered the story of his grandfather
and his world ward TiO service and finding confidential military
(30:35):
records and so forth and anyway. So at the end
of that two minute spiel, I said, by the way,
do you have any questions about my process? And he said, yeah,
I've got a question if you plan on interviewing me
for this book, and I said, I'd love to, of course,
that's up to you. So I went months and months
with him not responding to my request for an interview.
He showed a lot of indifference, but I think I
(30:57):
warmed down that I contacted so many friends who then
texted him for permission to talk to me, that he
realized this was a deadly serious project to me, and
I was trying to get it right.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Well, Ian, I know when you do anything, you do
it right, you do it thoroughly. I can't wait to
read the book. It comes out August twentieth. It's called
Out of the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rogers, the
Great Ian O'Connor, New York Times bestselling author joining us Ian.
Thanks so much for your time. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Hey, my pleasure, Doug good luck.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
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Speaker 2 (31:24):
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Let's get to a game with Dick Cope.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
There, Nick Cope, what's the game today?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
All right?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It is for Better or Worse? All right, Doug?
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Very topical with you being on campus at Oklahoma State
for better or worse? College move in as a student
or college move in as a parent?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Oh student? Not close? Not close. I mean if any
of us who went to college those first couple weeks
as a college student, when classes don't really matter and
you're away from home for the first time and you're
just around in this case, twenty five thousand students undergrads
that are right around your age, I mean, there literally
is no better time in your life. Weather's still good,
(33:12):
you still got your summer ten and you can kind
of recreate your own image whatever you want to be.
I don't think it's close.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
All right.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
We've had the first week of preseason games in the books.
For Better or Worse new kickoff format or the old
kickoff format.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I think new kickoff format it's so different, so unique.
We'll talk about it next hour with a head and
neck specialist that But I think it's better just because
it's new, it's different, It'll be more creative, and we
think we'll get more returns.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
Jeff Miller coming up at the top of the hour
on the program. All right, So Big ten versus SEC
tired when we're talking about college football. So Doug for
better or worse Big twelve football or ACC football?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Wow? Great question. I think currently you'd have to say
the Big twelve is better and the ACC is worse.
Historically it's not really close, right, Historically the ACC is
unbelievable names with Miami, Clemson, Florida State, and Virginia Tech
(34:16):
as well as some others. But in recent history outside
of Florida State turning that thing around last year and
have an incredible season, I think the Big twelve is.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
Better, certainly has more depth. I think going into this
year and going to be a lot of fun. How's
Boone Pickens looking?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
By the way, it's you know, it actually looks really
really good for people don't know they went through a
little Mini reno. Yeah, yeah, little Minnie Reno.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
For the room or less on the sidelines, cause okayout.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That will ever changed. An alum, close friend of mine
named Kyle Waters is the athletic director in charge of facilities,
and what they've done is they had to. They went
through and they redid all the sea heats and the
fifty yard line seats are now permanent and they're in black.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
But they did the north side last year in the
south side this year, so I don't know if you'll
notice it really to the naked eye. What's interesting is,
you know, for a long time Oklahoma State had tough
time selling tickets and the thought was, well when Oklahoma
leaves and Texas lee's the Big twelve, will you be
able to sell out? And I think almost all their
home games are sold out this year.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
All right, good deal. Well, we heard yesterday from Michigan
coach Errolan Moore that Jim Harbaugh will in fact not
be the honorary captain for Michigan season opener. Says he
doesn't want to be away from the Chargers, but for
better or worse, Jim Harbaugh being there attending Michigan season
opener or Jim Harbaugh not attending that game.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Oh, it's way better if he attends it, way better
if he attends it. I don't think that's even close,
but I'm sure optics and you know, what are you
gonna do here?
Speaker 9 (35:59):
All right?
Speaker 10 (35:59):
This get's the play on Twitter today because the not
said that October twelfth is one of the biggest wedding
days of the year, October twelfth, October twelfth, and it's
also maybe the most loaded college football day. You've got
Ohio State at Oregon, You've got Red River, Penn State,
usc Ole, miss LSU River Rivalry. Yes, So for better
(36:22):
or worse fall wedding or a big college football Saturday.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I mean this is really a question, right, College football
Saturday not close College twelfth Saturday. It's not not even close.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
A lot of people saying you're an inconsiderate groom or
bride to schedule a fall wedding.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, it depends on location though. Right in parts of
this country, the fall is absolutely beautiful, you know, summer wedding,
I mean like June weddings, I think, but like June's
not always nice everywhere, and it's really expensive and I
don't know like come or don't come, Like it's your choice.
You don't have to come to my wedding. If a
football game is more important than you can, fine, then
we weren't that good of friends. Anyway.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
That's game time.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Next hour,
next hour, we're gonna talk with Jeff Miller, the NFL
EVP overseeing Player Health and safe. You will talk about
the new kickoff rule. Plus I want to get to
why I'm rooting for Clemson. For Clemson and what they're
trying to do and who it actually parallels in college sports.
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Harper is getting ready for her first night college and
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there's one of those moments where you're like, oh, well,
now they're not here, but she's she's the one who's
been kind of a quasi adult for a couple of
(01:29):
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There is a lot, a lot to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I like this story because we've been talking about a
lot the whole outs and the hold ins and brandan
a Yuk continues to hold out hold in whatever. The
Niners and the Steelers reportedly have the framework of a
deal in place, but the forty nine ers are still
trying to work out a deal for a Yuk right
it's the old idea of like, look, you can go
(02:18):
there and make a little bit more money, or you
can stay here and you know, be successful. Here's George Kittle,
his tight end on the wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I love having him as a teammate.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
But like, the one benefit to him not practicing and
stuff is a lot of younger guys get all these
reps and they get a they're getting important reps with
the ones and with Brock that they wouldn't be getting,
you know otherwise. And I'm not going to take probably
any rookie over Brandon, Like I'm not going to do that.
But the fact that now these young guys get these reps,
it's going to put them in a position to succeed
if we can't figure stuff out with Brandon, and they'll
(02:55):
be more ready for a season as opposed to like
just riding the like going with the twos and the
threes the whole time. So, you know, it just it
just kind of his.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
What it is, No, it definitely is what it is.
It's never what it's not. But he brings up a
great point. This is the old for people who know
in television, Jay Leno, right. Jay Leno famously famously would
never take a night off, and his reason for never
taking a night off is he didn't want anybody else
to come in and do a better job than Jay
Leno did, right, reading some cute cards, having some pregnant pauses,
(03:24):
doing some interviews, talking about his fancy car collection. It's like, look,
if I don't take a night off, then nobody can
come in and show they're better than me, and I'll
just again, I'll be honest with you. That's kind of
how I've always been wired. Like I'd love to look
back and see how many days off in my life
I still have a crude because I don't take them off.
(03:45):
Today's example now should be pointing out today is a
pretty special day. Ian O'Connor, who fantastic writer and of
course author. He's written the Was It Unauthorized Biography of
Aaron Rogers. He's going to join us at half past
the hour, so it's like one of those like I
didn't really want to take the day off because I
(04:05):
want to talk to Ian about his process the book,
what Aaron said about it, what we know, what we
don't know, Like i'd actually think, and I mean this
not just because we're having him on if there's one
current sports figure that we all know but we don't
know and yet we're interested in what he's really like.
And the fact that he didn't really contribute to the book,
(04:28):
although he did answer some questions at some point after
most of the book and sourcing was done. I think
it's just perfect timing for Aaron Rodgers coming off in
Achilles in New York, the fact that you know, he
went on his own personal vacation instead of going to
off season training like all of that stuff. The timing
could not be better for a book, and the person couldn't
(04:51):
be better for a book that we want to learn
more about than Aaron Rodgers, because he's this not nefarious creature,
but definitely a notorious kind of clandestine figure where people
know he's dated a lot of women, but people don't
know what makes him tick. And that's what this book,
I believe, is mostly here to tell us, but not
from a second and third person perspective, not from a
(05:13):
first person perspective. But getting back to Ayuk, that's the
reality of it. Like if you don't practice for all
of training camp, all it takes is for people to
fall in love with their guys and Oh yeah, By
the way, that's I think the biggest issue with being
traded to somewhere right where the Pittsburgh Steelers sitting there
going like, yeah, we have George Dickens. He may not
(05:36):
live up to his athletic talent and we have an
issue at quarterback. But man, you know, I like this
guy and I like that guy. I like the other guy.
You end up loving the guys that you see, you see,
you know, and then you start talking yourself into like,
well we keep him. It's going to cost us thirty
million dollars. We don't keep them. This guy costs us
(05:56):
a million dollars. What are we been talking about? And
I do think that being wally pipped is too dated.
And the truth is, Jay Stu, you and I discussed
this before the show. Even saying you got bloodsod, even
say you got bledsode is an issue, right because Drew
(06:17):
Bledsoe when he got hurt and Tom Brady came in.
That was two thousand and one. That's two thousand and one,
was the first game after nine to eleven, and uh
was it Mo who is the linebacker for the Jets
who hit him and knocked him into the next week
knocked to knock Bledsoe. In the next week, mo Mo
(06:41):
Mo mo Lewis, mo Lewis hit him. But even to say, like,
of course, Wally Pip was the guy who Lou Garrigg
replaced Lou Garrigg, who is the iron horse. Wally Pip
never got his job back, you know, mo Lewis, now
again this wasn't a holdout, but mo Lewis not. Drew Bledsoe.
In the next week, Drew Bledsoe never got his job back,
(07:05):
And the question becomes the San Francisco Final forty Niners
sit there and go like, yeah, we're fine, because that's
kind of where they are at quarterback. It'd be interesting
to see what they do with brock Party because at quarterback,
I think they got to the point with Jimmy Garoppo
like it's a lot of money, he's always hurt. We're fine.
And whether you want to call it Drew Bledsoe or
(07:26):
while he pipped or or whomever, or you know not,
you know, not wanting to You don't want to run
the risk of somebody else performing your job better. I,
by the way, I do that all the time when
I'm off. I don't listen. I don't look at the comments.
I know everybody's gonna know he's better than your show.
It's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. The motivator, but it's terrifying.
(07:50):
But the holdouts hold in is the least discussed part
about it. Is like, while you're holding out or while
you're holding in, somebody else is getting to run those
same routes and they're doing it for cheaper, right, And
we could sit there and go like, why do you
want to go cheaper? Who doesn't When you put out
a bid for something, you may not go to lowest bidder,
but you definitely go to a lower bidder. Why do
(08:13):
you think so many of the things that we have
are made overseas not because we don't like American workers,
It's because, man, American workers and unions cost more. You know,
it's the same thing. We call it agism. But a
lot of times people who are younger now, when they're younger,
there's there's other issues that come with it. Lack of
(08:33):
experience in both the workforce and in professional sports. Okay,
you don't know what the quality is going to be
like when it really matters. The most same thing when
you're overseas and it's a factory and you don't have
controls over those things, but there are some benefits, and
cost being a benefit, but also the chance to see
and get opportunities and get reps a massive benefit that
(08:56):
Brandon Ayuk is frankly donating to several young from the
Niners s. Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio
really got a really good show, happy about it, excited
about it. By the way, Ceedee Lambs wants Micah Parson
wants a new contract. Michael Parsons of course talking about
Cedde Lamb's money. That's it's kind of a scene as
in no. Now, you do see the pattern here right,
(09:17):
wide receivers wanting new contracts, holding out, holding in what
is it comparison is the thief of joy. And yet
all these wide receivers compare themselves to other wide receivers
that have gotten paid. I just Jason knows this. I tire,
I tire of talking about contract extensions like you're under contract.
(09:39):
Okay if you if you think you're gonna get more
money because you're holding out, like, good luck to you.
No one wants to see anybody get hurt, especially non
contact stuff. But I'm telling you, I still think the
best way to get paid is to threaten to hold
out or to hold in. But go out there and
perform and show that you're all in because once they
see you and see how much better you are, then
(10:00):
the other guys around you, the more likely they are
to pay you. But every year we have these holdouts holdings.
Le'Veon Bell was the last guy to hold out for
a whole season and that did not work out well
for him. I wouldn't be scared at all if I
was one of these teams.
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Do you guys know what earworm is? I'm in j
I'm sorry. I so. Jay stew Are our steam producer.
He's got hearing issues you said a cochlear implant. It's not.
It has nothing to do with an actual worm in
your ear. Sammy, do you know what what what an
earworm is?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I do.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And earworm is actually one of Jason Stewart's favorite words.
He uses it all the time.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
And we're just talking about your famous earworms yesterday, and
I think the two examples that came to mind readily
were Proud Mary h rolling down the river, and there
was another one that just gets in your head and
you can't get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes, this is a song that a hook or a
melody or a song that gets in your head and
it just keeps running in your head and you can't
get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yes. A matter of fact, there's a Cranberry song that's
been remade and my son and his buddy were singing
it and I just I finally I yell at him like,
you guys got to stop. I can't hear it anymore.
You have an earworm, but you're passing on to me
like I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
What's the song? I Love the Cranberries or Linger Linger?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Linger?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Who remade Linger?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I don't know. They were singing it and they were
like we just heard it. I was like, Nason, well
that's the song when I was in high school. I
think it was remade anyway, point is that earworms can't
get Also, sometimes sometimes when you say, like, don't say
the F word, don't say the F word, don't say
the F word. What do you always do? You say
(12:23):
the F word? At least that's how I am. I
just you know, you try and forget it. I bring
that up. Yeah, I do that because remember was he
yesterday we found out how son Ridik wanted to be
traded right or yesterday became public that you want to
be traded again. Remember was traded in the off season
by the Eagles to the Jets. The Jets remain just
(12:43):
really steadfast in their approach here that they won him
on the Jets. You all you gotta do is take
Robert Sala's Tuesday response, for example, when he was asked
about the batter.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
It's not I promise you it's not. It's not frustrating
because I don't have control over it. But like I said,
we're excited about our group, still looking forward for him
to get here when he's ready, and when he's ready,
we're going to embrace them with open arms and to
get ready to attack the moments that he brings to us.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Here's his quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, talking about the star defensive player.
Speaker 8 (13:10):
Aaron, what's your take on a situation where a teammate
requests to trade even though he has yet to have
a single practice with that team?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
What has always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years, I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player. I don't know him well. I've had
a couple messages with him, I believe when he got traded,
obviously we'd love for him to be here, but you know,
we don't judge him for trying to do what's best
for him. I think what's best for him is to
(13:38):
be a Jet because this is going to be a
fun ride. But you know, he's got to make the
best decision for him and his family.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Got to make the best Like I thought, that was
actually really really honest. I think I exchanged tex uss.
Didn't we catch that? Can I hear that first? Really response?
I think I exchanged tex message with them. Let me
take a list of one more time.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
I think he requests the trade, even though he has
yet to have a single practice.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
With that team.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
What there's always new things in the league that you know.
I've been around twenty years. I've seen a lot of stuff.
I think as players, we always first try and side
with the player, because you know what it's like to
be a player. I don't know him well. I've had
a couple messages with him, I believe.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I've I've had a couple of messages with him, I believe.
I think. I'm not really sure if it was him
or not him. I don't know who it was.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Maybe he was tripping on ayahuasca.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
I was changing.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I was so high at the time. Oh my god,
was that Hassan Reddick or is that Redick Hassan?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I don't know, Oh man, I believe I think is
the old Hassan. Probably reached out to him twice, and
in the middle of that answer, Aaron Rodgers like, I
don't think I ever got back to him.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, there was a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Did I press end? Did I not? I've ever done that.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
By the way, to my drafts, that's in corporate America.
That's the most used excuse and it's getting back to somebody.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Come on, you didn't hit send. Come on, I had
those listen.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I'll be completely honest. So when I got the coaching job,
I told you guys, I got twenty seven hundred and
thirteen messages and I thought I'd returned them all. And
then you know I I then I went through and
I had hundreds upon hundreds of messages that were unread,
and yet I couldn't find them because after a month,
mne automatically get you know, I have that setting for
(15:33):
like one month? Is how I how long I hold
them for, which is probably that right?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
A month?
Speaker 6 (15:36):
My gosh, that's a quick trigger amount.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It's a lot of time. You know, I'm a big texture,
a big texture. If you weren't a memory, if you
weren't if you weren't the one guy who would ruin
all uh all uh chats because you're not on the
Apple platform, you would know this. You would be on
group chats more. But instead you're the complete you know,
group chat buzzkill because it always pops up green. You're
(16:01):
always like, man, did he block me? No, that's right.
He's the one guy with the motorola hope your flip
phone's doing well, jas to Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Anyway, I thought that was great, Like, yeah,
I don't. I think I return his message. I think
I know him. It's probably good. We want him to play.
But the big thing is Robert Sally going like, nah,
(16:22):
not a distraction. Not a distraction. Distraction. Who's distracted. I'm
not distracted because it's out of my control. Mmm. Playing
that mental mind game sounds really good. I don't know
if it actually works that way. I do like the
fact that Jets are like we traded for you. You
said you want to play under this contract. You want
to get a bigger contract by playing. Go play. That's
(16:47):
how all of our contracts work, right. I have a
what a year and a half left of my Fox
Sports Radio contract. What if I went and go like,
you know, listen, I'm not doing anything until I get
a new contract. Like, Okay, we'll find somebody who will
stuck out Leab show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Nick Cope. Ian O'Connor will join us
(17:09):
here half past the hour, and I just I have
to tell you, like, sometimes what is the Steve Martin
line he and am I dating myself by saying Steve
Martin the comedian.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean, I listen, I appreciate that, Sam, You're an
old soul.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
He's in The Only Murders in the Building is a
very popular show right now. So I think he's very
He's still very relevant.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, yes, So so he used to do stand up comedy.
I don't think he does stand up comedy anymore, but
he used to stand up comedy and one of his
big lines was, comedy is all about tie tie ty timing, right,
And I think in many ways, book sales are the same, right,
They're they're the same. And if we were to be
(17:52):
honest and we were to say, like, who do you
really want to know about in sports? I think I
want to know about Kaitlyn Clark. I mean, there's no
bigger name right now in sports than Kaitlyn Clark. That's fair.
I think I'd probably want to know about Caleb Williams.
He seems interesting, Definitely gen Z definitely of a different
kind of evolution pattern than the old school quarterbacks. I
would like to know about kind of the last four
(18:15):
or five years of Tom Brady. It seems like obviously,
the team switch, the Super Bowl the way it ended,
the retirement, come back, the divorce, all those things now
into broadcasting after a year of you know, a year
of kind of taking a year off, Like all those
things are interesting. But as we get ready for the
football season last year, the first week of the season,
(18:39):
we were just waiting, waiting, waiting for Monday Night football
and Aaron Rodgers ran out onto the MetLife Field with
the American flag. You're like, this is incredible. You have
to be a Jets fan, Like, holy cow, Aaron Rodgers
is a Jet. This really happened. And of course there's
the parallel to Brett Favre becoming a Jet as well.
Five plays any Taris Achilles attendant, And you know, then
(19:02):
there's been the McAfee appearances, you know, no showing on
some off season activities to go to Egypt, and Aaron
generally being Aaron. But when you're trying to find a
figure that people want to learn about, that they know
of and think they know some about, I can't tell
you how good at timing this is. With the book,
(19:23):
it's called Out of the Darkness The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers,
and so and so wherever you get your books. August twentieth,
you can pre order now, and it's authored by an
outstanding author of New York Times bestselling author In O'Connor
joins it down the Doug go Outlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio. I mentioned how good the timing is and
leading up to you joining us IAN, when did you
start this process? When did you say I got to
(19:43):
write about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
Hey, Doug, first, congratulations on the coaching job and thanks
for having me on. I actually was under contract to
write a biography of Lebron James and then another Lebron
James book within the works that I was unaware of.
So that comes out, and I'm thinking there's going to
be some Lebron fatigue here if I go forward with
his project. At the same time, Aaron got traded into
(20:05):
my backyard in New York, and I thought he was
the most polarizing player in the NFL and also maybe
the most prominent American male athlete who hasn't had a
defining bio written about him. So I essentially traded Lebron
for Aaron. Hopefully that was a good trade, and I'll
leave that up to the readers. But I've always been
I don't know about you, but I've always been fascinated
(20:26):
by him from Afar. He's a mystifying character. Obviously, Obviously
in recent years he has changed in terms of his
public image. I mean he's become a villain. He was
not a villain before COVID No, but that's changed, and
so that definitely interested me as well, just to dive
into how he changed, why he changed, and just why
(20:48):
he is the way he is.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
What is what's your process like, what's your process like?
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Our process is just calling as many people as humanly
possible who were in his life, I mean, starting in
elementary school, teachers, classmates, and really I started this book
in chapter one with his grandfather, who was an amazing
World War Two combat pilot, and that story had never
been told, who flew forty four missions against the Hitler
war machine and had some amazing acts of heroism and
(21:16):
valor that had never been reported before. So that actually
is chapter one is two generations prior, and Aaron did
not know really almost any of the details of his
grandfather's service. And he is buried in Arlington National for
a reason. He was one of the greatest members of
the greatest generation. So those are the stories I love
(21:36):
to tell in these books. Unfortunately, of course, with his
family estrangement, that had to be a part of it.
One thing Doug that I appreciated was when I explained
that to Aaron, you understand, I have to write about
this family division. He understood, And a lot of superstar
athletes I've been around would not have understood that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So quick backstory, there was about probably a year and
a half where Aaron and I were friendly via tech.
We hung out the final four to one year. He
did let me in on a little bit of his backstory,
and I don't want you to give away the whole book,
but what happened was obviously his brother made it public
(22:14):
that there was a rift in the family when he
was on the bachelorette, right, and then everybody's like, oh, hey,
Aeron doesn't even get on. What were you able to discern?
Was that? Was it all Olivia Munn when she was
she the Yoko that split up this family?
Speaker 9 (22:28):
No, I think the family believed that, or some family
members believe that. But he hasn't dated her in seven years,
and this estrangement has become a sort of a living organism.
That Aaron doesn't know how to kill off. But when
he started that relationship in twenty fourteen, he entered that
relationship with thoughts already about his family, and his family
(22:48):
members disagree with this, by the way, but his perception
was that his generosity with them was not being fully appreciated.
He thought the family unit revolved too much around his
fame and success. And Olivia notarized those feelings. She agreed
with him that was her role in it, and I
think it's really unfair to lay the blame all at
(23:08):
her feet now. She was a part of it, but again,
he hasn't been with her for a long time. And
he had issues with his brothers, both of them. And
the big issue with Jordan was, you go on to
Bachelorette and you make this estrangement part of the narrative,
and you put two open chairs at the dinner table
signifying that I wasn't there with Olivia. Meanwhile, I wasn't
even invited to that filming, and so he was really
(23:32):
upset by that. He was upset by some other things
that his older brother Luke did. They were upset with
him skipping a wedding and other family functions and If
you really look at the fifteen reasons for this estrangement,
a lot of them are fairly minor and petty issues,
and so it needs to end. There was a meeting
I have in the book with his father, an emotional
meeting last summer at Lake Tahoe that lasted thirty seconds
(23:55):
at the golf tournament there, but it was emotional. They
told each other, I love you, and hopefully that's the
first baby step towards the reconciliation.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I had been told not by Aaron, but by others
that there was also a religious aspect to it to
where they were. The family is very very religious, and
he and some people thought it was Olivia, but he's
just not and that and that left a rift in
terms of, you know, their feeling.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
Yeah, that, by the way, that is true, that that
was apartment of it. Early on, they were devoutly religious,
particularly his mother, and she was really against premoral sex.
So even when he was in the NFL, and I
think after he won the Super Bowl, she was concerned
about him sharing hotel rooms with a girlfriend. And so, yeah,
that that impacted him. And now he's not religious at all.
He's just he calls himself spiritual, So that was a
(24:46):
part of it more early on, not so much right now.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
How how did he view how it ended in Green.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Bay Listen, I think he, of course, he had the
darkness retreat and he realized that they were ready to
move on to Jordan Love. He also needed a new challenge.
It had ended there once they missed the playoffs, and
it looked that game against Detroit his final game, you
could tell it was over. It was clear. Maybe it
(25:15):
lasted one year or too long, and they should have
traded them a year earlier. But the Jets are sitting
there is a perfect opportunity for Aaron, and he knew
that because Tom Brady's got seven rings and he's got one,
he's certainly never going to catch him. But if he
realized New York City, if I win a championship for
a Charlie Brown franchise that has a biblical drought, hasn't
(25:37):
been to a super Bowl since January of nineteen sixty nine,
that's going to feel like three or four rings, not one.
So I thought it was a smart play on his end.
I think he realized that now. Of course, last year
was a disaster, but maybe the football gods finally Owt
Jets fans won and Aaron Rodgers won, and this year
will be the opposite of last year. We'll see how
(25:57):
it plays out.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Trail. That's the voice
of Ian O'Connor, who has written the book Out of
the Darkness. Obviously, Out of the Darkness is a tip
of the Captain of the Darkness retreat. And you know
a lot has been made about his ayahuasca ayahuasca retreats.
Is this something new or has he been doing this
throughout his career ayahuasca.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
No, it started in twenty twenty. So his good friend
Jordan Russell, who by the way, he kicked out of
his life for three years too, but he brought him
back into his life. Jordan Russell goes to Peru, experiences
a ceremony with ayahuasca. He returns and says to Aaron,
you've got to try this. This is great. So Aaron
and Danica Patrick's girlfriend at the time, go to Peru
(26:42):
in twenty twenty. They sit for some ceremonies. He feels
like it's a spiritual cleansing. He becomes a better man,
a better football player. Even he feels like Basically, the
way Jordan Russell described it to me is that ayahuasca
is like a lucid dream with embedded message is and
he just come to terms with yourself when you're sitting
(27:03):
there in a ceremony and you learn things about yourself.
And Aaron said it improved his relationships with other people.
I don't know why that didn't work with his family,
but anyway, he felt that he was a new man,
a new football player. So he's going to use it
for the rest of his career and beyond. But that
started and actually the virus was approaching Peru and they
(27:23):
were about to close the border, so it was really
a race to the border to get out in time
before they closed down the country. And he just made it.
But I suspect that'll be a part of his life
going forward.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
What was life like for him when he was rehabbing
the Achilles.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
It was the early hours Doug of that were really
grim and dark. He had a trainer, Aaron Alexander's name
has not been out there, but he essentially moved into
his house and worked with him NonStop. And Aaron Alexander
told me that there were times when Aaron it was
so dark. He was like, the Jets don't even want
me back. I'm done. I can't overcome this. He did
(28:01):
overcome those thoughts, and towards the end of the year
back in NFL History's training. If you rush back and
retear it, that's the end of your career. Let's just
wait till twenty twenty four, Aaron said, Nope, if the
Jets win on December seventeenth in Miami, I'm playing on
(28:23):
Christmas Eve against Washington. And the Jets got blown out
by thirty points in Miami, so it was a moot point.
So the comeback was delayed. Now to this year. It's
a mulligan and we'll see if again the football gods
will finally finally smile on the fatalistic fan base of
the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
How does he want to be remembered.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
I think as an all time great who on the
field off the field, that he was fearless, and I
think that's the one thing I'll give him credit for.
I don't agree with a lot of things he has
said and believes that he holds, but he never fearful
of the consequences of stating his position, and very few
public figures are like that, and so that's usually a
(29:08):
commendable trait. But he does have some far out ideas
on the world and the people running it, so it
hasn't really helped him. There been some unforced error is
the COVID thing two thousand and one in August when
he said, yeah, I've been immunized, that mistake, that self
inflicted wound. And by the way, he admitted to me
that was a mistake and he would do that differently
(29:29):
if given a mulligan. He has not recovered from that.
I mean, he turned into a villain that day, and
unfortunately he has not made up that ground and fully
recovered from it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You know, he paid you, I thought an incredible compliment
when he was Interviewneral yesterday the day before we played
the cut, where he talked about the thoroughness of your
process For people who don't know Ian O'Connor. Joining Us
out of the Darkness is his latest book. It's about
Aaron Rodgers. Just just how thorough is your process? Because again,
this is not something where are you going right sit
(30:01):
with him and he telling and you have your recorder
and he tells you what to say, and what happened
you interviewed a wide gamut of people. Give me a
sense of just how wide that Gama was.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
Yeah, and I'll explain it to you like I explained
it to him. And that was right after his press conference,
his first one with the Jets after the trade was made.
Is I talked to hundreds of people, and people from
every aspect of your life, those willing to engage me anyway,
And yeah, I think that's the only way to do it.
And that's how I uncovered the story of his grandfather
and his world ward TiO service and finding confidential military
(30:35):
records and so forth and anyway. So at the end
of that two minute spiel, I said, by the way,
do you have any questions about my process? And he said, yeah,
I've got a question if you plan on interviewing me
for this book, and I said, I'd love to, of course,
that's up to you. So I went months and months
with him not responding to my request for an interview.
He showed a lot of indifference, but I think I
(30:57):
warmed down that I contacted so many friends who then
texted him for permission to talk to me, that he
realized this was a deadly serious project to me, and
I was trying to get it right.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Well, Ian, I know when you do anything, you do
it right, you do it thoroughly. I can't wait to
read the book. It comes out August twentieth. It's called
Out of the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rogers, the
Great Ian O'Connor, New York Times bestselling author joining us Ian.
Thanks so much for your time. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Hey, my pleasure, Doug good luck.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
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Let's get to a game with Dick Cope.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
There, Nick Cope, what's the game today?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
All right?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
It is for Better or Worse? All right, Doug?
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Very topical with you being on campus at Oklahoma State
for better or worse? College move in as a student
or college move in as a parent?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Oh student? Not close? Not close. I mean if any
of us who went to college those first couple weeks
as a college student, when classes don't really matter and
you're away from home for the first time and you're
just around in this case, twenty five thousand students undergrads
that are right around your age, I mean, there literally
is no better time in your life. Weather's still good,
(33:12):
you still got your summer ten and you can kind
of recreate your own image whatever you want to be.
I don't think it's close.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
All right.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
We've had the first week of preseason games in the books.
For Better or Worse new kickoff format or the old
kickoff format.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I think new kickoff format it's so different, so unique.
We'll talk about it next hour with a head and
neck specialist that But I think it's better just because
it's new, it's different, It'll be more creative, and we
think we'll get more returns.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
Jeff Miller coming up at the top of the hour
on the program. All right, So Big ten versus SEC
tired when we're talking about college football. So Doug for
better or worse Big twelve football or ACC football?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Wow? Great question. I think currently you'd have to say
the Big twelve is better and the ACC is worse.
Historically it's not really close, right, Historically the ACC is
unbelievable names with Miami, Clemson, Florida State, and Virginia Tech
(34:16):
as well as some others. But in recent history outside
of Florida State turning that thing around last year and
have an incredible season, I think the Big twelve is.
Speaker 10 (34:25):
Better, certainly has more depth. I think going into this
year and going to be a lot of fun. How's
Boone Pickens looking?
Speaker 1 (34:31):
By the way, it's you know, it actually looks really
really good for people don't know they went through a
little Mini reno. Yeah, yeah, little Minnie Reno.
Speaker 10 (34:41):
For the room or less on the sidelines, cause okayout.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That will ever changed. An alum, close friend of mine
named Kyle Waters is the athletic director in charge of facilities,
and what they've done is they had to. They went
through and they redid all the sea heats and the
fifty yard line seats are now permanent and they're in black.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
But they did the north side last year in the
south side this year, so I don't know if you'll
notice it really to the naked eye. What's interesting is,
you know, for a long time Oklahoma State had tough
time selling tickets and the thought was, well when Oklahoma
leaves and Texas lee's the Big twelve, will you be
able to sell out? And I think almost all their
home games are sold out this year.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
All right, good deal. Well, we heard yesterday from Michigan
coach Errolan Moore that Jim Harbaugh will in fact not
be the honorary captain for Michigan season opener. Says he
doesn't want to be away from the Chargers, but for
better or worse, Jim Harbaugh being there attending Michigan season
opener or Jim Harbaugh not attending that game.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Oh, it's way better if he attends it, way better
if he attends it. I don't think that's even close,
but I'm sure optics and you know, what are you
gonna do here?
Speaker 9 (35:59):
All right?
Speaker 10 (35:59):
This get's the play on Twitter today because the not
said that October twelfth is one of the biggest wedding
days of the year, October twelfth, October twelfth, and it's
also maybe the most loaded college football day. You've got
Ohio State at Oregon, You've got Red River, Penn State,
usc Ole, miss LSU River Rivalry. Yes, So for better
(36:22):
or worse fall wedding or a big college football Saturday.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I mean this is really a question, right, College football
Saturday not close College twelfth Saturday. It's not not even close.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
A lot of people saying you're an inconsiderate groom or
bride to schedule a fall wedding.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, it depends on location though. Right in parts of
this country, the fall is absolutely beautiful, you know, summer wedding,
I mean like June weddings, I think, but like June's
not always nice everywhere, and it's really expensive and I
don't know like come or don't come, Like it's your choice.
You don't have to come to my wedding. If a
football game is more important than you can, fine, then
we weren't that good of friends. Anyway.
Speaker 10 (37:11):
That's game time.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Next hour,
next hour, we're gonna talk with Jeff Miller, the NFL
EVP overseeing Player Health and safe. You will talk about
the new kickoff rule. Plus I want to get to
why I'm rooting for Clemson. For Clemson and what they're
trying to do and who it actually parallels in college sports.
(37:41):
So we get to that why the new kickoff rulein
how do we know if it's gonna work? That's next
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