August 16, 2024 • 41 mins
Doug Gottlieb and Dan Beyer in for Dan as they discuss the New England Patriots, how their rookie Drake Maye did Thursday night, and what the identity is of this current team. Doug and Dan talk about the number of teams that would welcome Tom Brady's services right now. Former NFL Executive and former Bucs' General Manager Mark Dominik joins the guys to weigh in on the Patriots, Sam Darnold, and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Doug and Dan propose some new college traditions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
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Good morning to you, Dan stan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio.
You chose to sit in your studio? Did I Did
I say something? Did I do something? I just I
(00:27):
get I'm not like you're cool with it with doing it.
It's really our new studios here at Fox Sports Radio.
I can look at you as opposed to the old studio.
I couldn't see you. But we've done this where you
sat here and they sat there. I just didn't know
it was if I said something.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We've done that at Super Bowls. We've sat next to
each other. We've done it two time zones away. But
there are also things that I do need to do
in here when maybe you and I aren't chatting.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. It's it's it's doing work, okay.
So we got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Mark Dominic is going to join us upcoming in twenty
five minute. Mark's former gentlemanager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's
basically spend an his tires, professional life in the NFL,
and we'll get his thoughts on I think the question
of the day, and it's like a it's a question
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we have just about every year. Is you draft a quarterback?
When do you give him that opportunity? When do you
give them that opportunity? And for everybody but the Atlanta Falcons,
right that opportunity you feel like is going to come,
and especially the first round draft picks, that that opportunity
is going to come sometime during their first season. And
last night, if you watched Drake May against the Philadelphia Eagles,
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you're like, hey, this might work right, And of course
they have Jacoby Brissett and who former Patriot coming back
to the Patriots, who we know is just solid. Seems
like a stud dude. You know, I remember remember that
game he started gosh how many years ago was it
where when he was a rookie where they just they
(01:56):
kind of ran option. They know, it was like it
was an all time bellow check wind. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Garoppolo was supposed to fill in for Brady, but then
Garoppolo got hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wait, Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt. That never surprise. That was
during the four game suspension for Brady, right, yes, and
then that was actually probably your first question about Garoppolo,
who actually didn't fare that poorly when he was playing.
But you're like, wow, if Jacoby Brissett can put something together,
maybe it is just Belichick. That one was just Belichick.
(02:25):
They were running option, they were doing all kinds, all
kinds of trickery. I want to say again, and this
is just off top of head. Was that against the Texans.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I feel like the Texans always go up there. I
remember Textan you have been. I remember the Texans also
another Texan game when they went up there with the
letter jackets that did not end well.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That was a home game. That was because it was
like Letterman's Day. Yeah, that didn't that didn't work. Those
I don't know if those even made a return.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, no, I thought that they There was never another letter.
It was just just just that one. So I yeah,
I mean again, I don't want to get caught up
in Patriot talked for the most part, but it was
interesting last night to watch him because you know, the
reports were eh eh, and then you watch him play
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last night, and maybe some of it was a comparison
to Drake to Jacoby Brissett, who was inaccurate, but some
of it was, Yeah, it look like you might be
able to play.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's funny because Drake May is going to be included
in the twenty twenty four quarterback class. But there's a
subclass to this too, Doug, where you're in the one,
two three, that's who you're lined up with. So it's
not even necessarily being compared with Michael PENNOCKX you alluded to,
is not going to see the field this year unless
there's an injury to Kirk Cousins. We know now no, well,
(03:40):
we now know JJ McCarthy is not going to see
the field this year for the Minnesota Vikings because of
his knee injury. But still, I don't know how those
two would have been compared when you go one, two
three in a draft, and by far, the New England
Patriots are the worst team suited of those three picks,
those three teams that picked in the top three in
the nif FELL Draft this past spring, Caleb Williams and
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Jade and Daniels have a much better opportunity to succeed
than Drake May does in New England. So there's a
lot with it in terms of do you throw him
in there? To that point, I mean, Caleb Williams looked great.
There's just when you're looking at these quarterbacks and we
look back at history, there's gonna be this subset where
we're going to rank was it Williams, was that Daniels,
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was it May? And who was better? And that's what
Drake Bay's gonna have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, and and you you also have to credit the
Chicago Bears, who it's it's one thing to draft a quarterback,
but it also feels like they've completely revamped the offense
and given him, given Kayleb Williams the best possible chance
to succeed early, right, Yeah, Jane Dams were like, well,
we'll see, right, there's a new regime there and and
(04:49):
we'll see kind of what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Even with with Daniels though, And I'll tell you what,
if you're not a big football fan, good luck. Name
a Patriots wide receiver that Drake May or Jacoby Brissette
would have to throw to, at least in Washington. You're like, Okay,
Terry McLaurin, all right, there's you know, there's a viable
target you had Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler in the
backfield for them. Patriots did good Vermondes' romondre Stevens in
(05:15):
a big contract. The point being is dan Quinn's been
here before, dan Quinn's been to a super Bowl before,
even that transition. Trod Mayo's his first time as a
head coach and anything, and it just feels like the
Patriots are so far behind everybody else in terms of
trying to catch up that you wonder if it's good
or bad if Drake Mate gets too much action, because
I just don't think that there's a lot there for
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him to work with.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, at least the division is not difficult, that's right.
There's and there's not like there's good quarterbacks in that
division either, you know, so so they got that going
for them as well, you know. But this it does
feel like a little bit of a return to even
the pre parcels Patriots, right, That's that's what it feels like.
It's that long ago that the Patriots has always been,
(05:58):
you know, put them down for ten twelve wins, and
now you're like, and then there's you don't even list
them in playoff possibility.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Isn't that part of the dilemma with Drake May, like
you would feel like you have nothing to lose, but
and you want to get as much information as you
can early. And I think Patriot fans last night, the
Patriot fans that I saw on social media were loving
what they saw. I thought it was fine for what
Drake May did, and I think it was perfect. The
best pascity threw ended up being an incompletion. That was
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the one that we saw on social media ton last night.
You know, the touchdown run was whatever, and his short
yardage played. Nobody thought he was going to keep the
football and he ended up making it into the end zone.
But it's like Patriot fans are wanting to believe that
this is the answer. And that's the dilemma. Do you
play Drake May now with the limited supporting cast or
do you have Jacoby Brissett start and have Drake May
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take over. I think that's the better option if you
personally ask me, I don't think Drake May should start
week one.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You can make that's the ays thing. What's the what's
the and starting week one? And look, I do like
that they hired Alex Van Peltzer, offensive coordinator right. I mean,
he's famously a guy who Aaron Rodgers loved working with him,
so I think Baker Mayfield really like working with him
as well. I mean, I just think that's a that's
a guy who really knows how to connect with quarterbacks.
(07:18):
But you're right, it's like, this is not a year,
it's not a make or break year. I'll just can
I'll give you the the the me coaching kind of background. Right,
So when I'm I'm trying to figure out my roster
at Green Bay, and you know, it's a little different
because guys can leave. But I have a I have
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a player who is coming in from Australia and the
rest of my players I got a chance to coach
for eight weeks in the summer, and he's young, he's
committed to staying like long term. I have other players
at his position. I think he's going to be really, really,
really good. But it's like, what is the I don't
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have to play him, what's the rush? Whereas there are
other guys where one they're more advanced or two it's
kind of part of the agreement, which is like, hey,
we're gonna we're gonna give you a shot early. But
with the Patriots. You have a guy under contract, he's
not going anywhere. That doesn't mean you sit him and
not play him. But they open up against the Cincinnati
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Bengals on the road, then they play the Seahawks at home,
Then they go to the Jets, then they go to
the Niners. Like, I don't know, do you want men?
Eventually you got to get him a shot, but do
you want to turn him? You want to let Nick
Bosa turn it loose and on the road in San Francisco.
I don't know if that's the best idea. It feels
like once you get to October, when they play the
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Dolphins at home, the Texans at home, they go to
the Jaguars and the Jets at home, that's probably a
softer landing spot, not because those teams stink, but because
those teams you're at home, and it just gives you
a better guy, a better sense of a balance.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I also think, and I just three minutes ago, said
Drake May is going to be compared to Kayleb Williams
and Jayde Daniels, which I completely agree with. But if
you take his situation to compare it to what Minnesota
had or now has, because of the injury to JJ McCarthy.
There's more of a dilemma in Minnesota because people like
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you and others still believe in Sam Donald for as
much as you're taking JJ McCarthy number one, and he
is likely going to be your guy from Minnesota. If
he lights everything up and is absolutely amazing, it sets
Sam Donald's career back on track, but it also gives
Minnesota a decision. No offense to Jacoby Brissette. But we
know who Jacoby Brissett is. There's not going to be
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a resurgence in his career. He is who he is.
They brought him in for a reason, and there's no
threat there. There's no opportunity for there. So if you
brought Jacoby Brissett in for that reason, then you brought
him in for that reason, you might as well use him.
It's not you didn't bring him in to be like
I think he can compete with Rake May. That doesn't
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make any sense. No, he was there to help Drake
May along, to move him along, to take the snaps
and play the games that Drake May isn't ready for,
and then when he is finally ready, he'll take over.
But that was the reason it's completely different from what
Minnesota is doing with their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But can I give you maybe a little bit different
way of looking at it? Sure, you know, I understand
how we're all going to compare this quarterback class and
the rankings of this quarterback class and forever Sam Donald.
Not only is it's not just about Sam Donald's about
the fact that Lamar Jackson was in that same class
and he's won a couple MVPs. Right, And the funny
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part about Lamar Jackson was everyone passed on him in
the first round, including the Baltimore Ravens. Right, Like include
Baltimore Ravens didn't know something everybody else didn't, Right, they
took him, but they'd already taken a tight end in
the first round before they ultimately drafted Lamar Jackson. But
the point here is, like, we can be critical of
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him if he turns out to not be better, especially
than JJ McCarthy who was drafted behind him, But you
cannot say, well, they should have had Jaden Daniels. Well,
they couldn't get Jane. They weren't getting Jane, they weren't
getting Caleb Williams, right, those it's not a possibility. So
it's a hard thing sometimes for a fan to rationalize.
(11:18):
But and this is where they say the old what
comparison is the thief of joy. I understand, we're gonna
if we could redraft, if we could reorder. Okay, but
the only team that could have picked any of the
quarterbacks is the Bears. The only team that could have
taken any of the quarterbacks outside of Kayleb Williams is
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the Commanders. And then the Patriots selected the third what
they thought was the third best option. And that's the
only fair way you can look at it. And we
are completely unfair as sports fans.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
We just are. That's reality to it. I agree with
you completely except for one caveat. But we saw in
Hard Knocks offseason, New England had a chance to trade
down with the Giants, like the Giants and soy. And
that's funny because I loved that show. Lard Knocks offseason.
I thought nine million times better than Bears training camp.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I thought I thought they really nailed something there. I yes,
I just do.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I thought that was you were like, oh, this is
it's better than the one with JJ watt on a
tackling dummy. Yes, off in the side, pretending like he's,
you know, doing putting in this extra work and he's
Captain America, like this is actually real. And I've had
by the way I was with I was with the
Bears at their facility. I talked to some of their
(12:38):
guys and they're like, did you watch the Giants thing.
I was like, yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, it's great. That's the stuff that you're sitting around
twenty years later and you're like, well, you didn't know it.
But the Patriots actually got a call from the Giants
the day of the draft, or they didn't want to
do the deal and took Drake May and the rest
was history. Those are the stories. So I agree with
everything he said. But for Patriots fan, if it doesn't
work out, can always say, well, see, you should have
(13:04):
done that deal with the Giants. Could have stuck him
with New York. You know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
The other interesting part about the Patriots is, and we're
seeing you know, the Dolphins are an example of it.
You know, the Bills went through it forever after. You know,
when you lose a legendary quarterback. What's happened in Green
Bay is one of one. There is no franchise in
professional sports or in professional football that's gone from Hall
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of Famer to Hall of Famer to now what they
feel like is franchise quarterback. It just hasn't happened. You know,
John Elway retires in Denver. Go through the names obviously, Miami.
I think a big reason they overpaid to a tongue
of Biloa was it's been thirty years or so, maybe
even more since Dan the Man, right, and you're like,
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we haven't had anybody that we really thought was our guy,
that we could build around, that we could keep, that
was good enough. So let's just hold onto this one
grasp on this and hell, that's part of the Bears thing.
It's like the Bears have never really had a guy.
I mean, everybody loved Jim McMahon, but let's not act
like Jim McMahon was one of the five best quarterbacks
in the NFL. Even when they won the Super Bowl,
they were a defensive oriented team and they had Walter
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Payton and you know, every once in a while they
would chuck it up deep to Willie galt So And
I'm not like defaming Jim McMahon. He was more of
a personality than he was. He wasn't at that time.
Remember that's Marino in Montana, that's what he was. So
I do, like, if you're New England, you got to
just sit here and gore, like, look, we don't necessarily
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need the next Tom Brady, the next Tom Brady like
that that's an ultimate outlier. But man, if we can
just get somebody who's good, who's solid, right, good dude,
solid dude gets for the football, accountable, good leader right
like this is because these next three years, maybe even four,
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when he's under a rookie deal, that's what you can
truly rebuild a franchise. If you can get away with
not spending any money in the quarterback room and then
sp spending all the money and you had to draft
smartly all around. That's got to be the process. But
it's fascinating to watch. You know, so many of these
teams have searched for years. The Packers obviously are the
(15:19):
opposite of it. And when or how long it takes
New England to find just a multi year starter, just
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turns to the camera and says, I just want to
make sure all these young bucks in the NFL know
(17:17):
I if I still wanted to come out of retirement,
they still got something to deal with, Brady said, which,
by the way, most all of these question backs, lots
of NFL NBA players say the exact same thing. But
what if, right, yes, it's the gigantic what.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
If When you read the comments in print, you're like, wait,
what is he talking about? And then later on he
said that he's had zero passing days this offseason, so
by no means is he ready and now he's forty
seven years old. But I kind of started going through
some of the NFL and being like, all right, if
they could take Brady right now in their current situation,
(17:58):
how many would And more more often than not, Doug
I thought I would maybe get one per division, but
it was more like one or two when you're really
like looking at it and you're saying, all right, AFC East,
who he just talked about, would New England take him back? Absolutely?
I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
In a heart, but he would. He would never go there. No,
never go there.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
No, I don't. I don't think so either. But would
the Dolphins take him? Yeah? Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I mean, like, look, if I'm the Dolphins, I would
rather have him than Tua right now.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well that's and I think that there are people who
believe that as well. It also are on that same
page with you. Pittsburgh rather have Brady than Fields and Wilson, Yeah, absolutely,
Will Levis or Tom Brady and Tennessee for this season
Tom Brady? Yeah, Tom Brady absolutely go to the AFC West,
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Broncos and Raiders.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
You know what he has. I'm gonna use the word
that that the kids are using today, Like I love
having teenage kids, and now I have two, one that's
in college, one that's going to college next week. You
ever heard they use the word aura, right, Yes, they
have aura. He just does. It's like a real thing.
Like even if he can't throw a football on him,
(19:17):
what which he can I'm sure he can't. At the
velocity and the accuracy and the consistency of which he did,
you know earlier's career. That's that's normal. It's natural. It's
actually natural aging process. Even though he seems to not age,
he does. He's got that Benjamin Button thing going. But
he does have aura. And you know whether or not
he'd actually be good, he make you believe that here
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you can be good.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, there are a lot of spots in the NFL
that you would think, all right, he's not gonna go.
But when you really look at it and break it down,
there's probably at least one team of division that you're like, yeah,
they probably have Brady, and then in some cases it's two.
It's it's crazy. And when he said you know what
he's got, I went on the way back machine to
(19:58):
Seinfeld and to Oxy. I thought you were gonna say
moxie Yet, Maxie, I don't know if that's that's the
same as aura as the the kids these days are saying.
But he also has it, I think that we all understand.
And he also has seven Super Bowl rings.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I don't know if he has them. The moxie is
like the one thing about guys when they get older,
is they know. But none of those guys like to
be hit. None of them go like, man, I can't
wait to come back in the NFL and get ear
hold right, but to step in there staying there like
they have a tendency to dirt it and get rid
of it quicker.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
But I it's the it's the the leadership component and
the I read this story where there was an empty
locker next to him in Tampa and players should just
bring stuff in every day and just leave it there
and just every day it's there, just sign sign sign,
sign signed. So it's like, you know, when you're a
player who guys in the NFL literally grew up watching
(20:51):
you win Super Bowls, It's it's a it's a different,
different deal. Mark Dominic joins us here on the Dan
Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio with Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb,
and Mark of course, former general manager of the Tampay Buccaneers,
spent his lifetime in the National Football leag We're talking
about Drake May and Jacoby Brissett, and what I was
talking about earlier is like, look, you can compare him
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to Jade Danels. You can compare them to Kayleb Williams.
But the Patriots didn't have the chance to draft either
of those two quarterbacks. So you've been in these situations before.
What's the They're not great expectations of New England. They're
a difficult division. You got first year head coach, you're
rebuilding the roster. What's the thought behind when you start him?
(21:33):
Because you're going to start him? But when do you
start Drake May?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, you know, I think it's an inchie question in
my personal opinion. You start them with probably around week
three or four. You let Jacoby Brissett, you know, take
the lumps early in the season. Let Drake May see
what the difference is between week one of the preseason
and week one of the regular season and how everything
gets ramped up, what a week looks like from a
preparation standpoint, And unless Jacoby Brissett goes out there and
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just lights it up, you make the transition round week
three and four. And the reason why, Doug Dana I
see it as this, You're going to need fans to
get behind Drake May and and right now I don't
think they are fully behind him.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
And so if Kacobe were set struggles, the fans gonna
be like, well, let's at least play Drake May, and
they're gonna be more forgiving to it. So Drake May,
number one, is going to get to the field a
little slow to see how to get prepared. And number two,
he might get the New England crowd saying, hey, look,
either rookie, he's struggling, let's see what you can do.
You know, be patient with him instead of throwing them
out there week one and it's like, this guy's a
bumb he's no good, he can't get it done. So
(22:34):
I think that's what you're thinking. But I think the Patriots,
in my opinion, made their first rookie mistake last week,
and it's a rookie head coach to rookie gm Drake
May should have played it a lot more last week
and should have played a lot lot more, and then
this week he obviously was out there for a while.
But there's no reason for Bailey's appy to be getting
reps right now. Those should be all Drake May's.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, what did you think of Drake May the prospect?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I didn't like him.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I'm not gonna sit here and say I didn't like him.
I had for me, I was Jaden Daniels one, and
then I was you know, obviously the Bears was with
you know, Caleb was number two, and then I had
Drake three. I had Pennix four, and I had just
lost i'll think of it, JJ McCartney five, and then
I had bo nixt six. So I had Drake May three,
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and I thought that, you know, the arm strength, the
arm talent. I thought the athleticism was really good. So
I thought that was certainly potential. And as you guys said,
you know, it wasn't like New England had.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
The choice of the first two.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
I think that was pretty much rotten in Stone. But
I think it's here. Uh you know, who knows when
it's all said and done, you know which guy's going
to be the best, which guy's going to be a bust.
We all know that they're all not going to be stars.
But uh, you know, it's just a it's a frustrating
spot because when you look at the Patriots, a place
that people used to want to go so they could
at least get a championship, even though they did enjoyed
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playing there. Now the Patriots have kind of become the
Detroit Lions like no one really wants to go.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Which is amazing, it really is. What do you think
of Alex van Pelt in terms of development? And I
bring it up because I think the fan looks at
just the player and expects the player to perform, and
then you know, those of us in sports media we
sit there and go like, well, he doesn't have any
wide receivers to throw to, you know. But I believe
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that a good portion of a guy's development is who
you surround him and who you support him with the
other court of the veteran quarterback right as well as
who his offensive coordinator, quarterback coach is. How does Alex
van Pelt feel to you fitting with drag May?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I think it should be a good fit because he's
worked with more of this type the size of quarterback
you know where you know, Jane Daniel steels perfect for
Cliff Pillingsbury because that's kind of the skill set he loves,
and I think for Van Pelt Drake May. And I
think that's what drew the Patriots to Drake May is
I think Alex Pelt works with you know, a bigger bodied,
you know pocket you know, certainly an athlete, but a
pocket thrower, and I think that's why that made sense
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to me. I've been on staffs with Alex man Pelp.
I think he's a very smart coach. I saw him.
I actually started my career with the Chiefs when he
was a backup in Kansas City and their coach Schttenheimer
and Paul Hackett and Mike McCarthy was there as a
quality control coach. So he's been around a lot of
football for a long time. I think he's very smart.
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I think he's very relatable. I think those are all
good things. I think it's more of what you're saying.
I think it's this team's been rebuilding now for you know,
four years, and if they really still don't have a
great offensive line, they don't have a great wide receiver room.
Even though I think Polk is going to be a
good player, the running back is a good player, but
defensive coordinators don't go, oh boy, what are we going
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to do this week? And so I think the problem
is the Patriots just don't have a great roster and
it just got worse by trading away Matt Judon. So
I think that this is just a team that's, you know,
kind of set to struggle and I think it's very
freshing for an organization that's so used to twenty years
of just rolling out of bed and being a champion.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I think we all feel bad for JJ McCarthy in
losing the sea, but how does Minnesota handle it? And
is it as bad as maybe it would read on
the surface.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah, you know, it's certainly disappointing. You know, the odds
of him coming back are very slim. You still can
hold out a little hope, but the reality is you
want to make sure he's going to fully heal. You know,
they've been very positive about Sam Donald. We will see
what Sam Donald can do in the system. You know,
it's very positive to see what JJ did in his opportunity.
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That was very encouraging in terms of pushing the ball
down the field and making good decisions for the most part.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
So it's it's certainly a blow.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
To this team. I don't feel like Sam Donald's gonna,
you know, come in and pull the Kurt Warner. Trent
Green goes down and Kurt Warner comes in and while
we've got a championship, I think he's really cushes Minnesota
in the short term. But you know, it's one year
you know, it's it's certainly a hard thing to have
to deal with the watcher quarterback not play.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
And that's why every day after practice I went and
save the athletic trainer and not to head coach to
see who's healthy who's not. But you know, I don't
have anything good to say because this is such a
frustrated injury from a young player. And that just shows
you why NFL owners continue in every CBA to fight
against guaranteed contracts because things like this happened.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Okay, hear me out. Could it be good for Sam
Donald that he doesn't have to worry about JJ McCarthy
looking over his shoulder?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, I mean I think I think Sam Donald knows
JJ was going to look over shoulder. Do I think
Sam's going to play that much better? I think it's
kind of what you guys just talked about with as
Sam pel this is a really nice system and it's
a good system, and so I think Sam Donald's probably
excited about just being in the system and now saying
I am the starter and not having.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
To think about it. So you have to actually put that.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Into the mindset that Sam realizes this is his last
golden ticket and if he doesn't cash it in, he's
going to become a forever backup or however long he
wants to play. And so yeah, I guess I would
say from a mental standpoint, you know you're the starter,
you know you're the guy, and it's your season to
see what you can do as a quarterback in the
National FOOTBA.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Leagueah okay, and look I'm and you know on my show,
Oh you join us and I don't. I don't know
if we've discussed this, but Dan and I have talked
a bunch about this. I'm still a holder of stockholder
in Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You actually tried to convince Mark last season that he
should play over party. I remember that vividly.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I did, I did you know? And I just did.
I again, I'm just a buyer and I do understand that.
And I think one of the things that happens, and
I've known it happens as a player and as a broadcaster,
but now as a coach as well as like, there
does come a point where guys are so beaten down
mentally they lose that confidence, they lose that swagger. It's
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not sometimes even about the talent, even though they have, uh,
they have all the weaponry at their disposal, and he
has all the experience in the world, but just the
years have worn out, worn out, worn him out. But
I guess that's my question to you. I he has
a quarterback as his head coach. He has a system.
This is not his first year in the system. He
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was in the same system in San Francisco last year.
He's got two really good wide receivers and with Aaron Jones,
he's got talented two way running back as well. Like,
this is a pretty good setup. Do you think he
even has it in him?
Speaker 6 (29:10):
You know what? I think what you brought up with it.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
You know, obviously with Kevin O'Connell's offense, and to your point,
being with Shanahan last year, being very comfortable and fluid
to just jump into Minnesota and feel very because.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
All those reps he took. Yeah, he didn't get.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
To throw the ball a ton during the regular season
last year, but he took a ton of reps in practice.
And now he's had an whole entire offseason to say,
I already know the play call, I know this book.
It should give him every chance. Is you're gonna find out.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Right, it's going to be like because I do think
the roster.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Offensively, you know, once they get Hockinson back, is really
really good, you know, and hopefully Addison, you know, is
gets everything on track, not just off in the field,
but off the field. He needs to get everything together.
But you know, they have two good receivers, they have
an elite tight end obviously, and they've got the running
game that you talked about. It should be there. I
think the offensive line is good too, and so the
whole piece should be there. Offensively, they should be good
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enough to show. Is Sam Donald a guy that can
you know, two or three x interceptions to touchdowns? Can
he actually do that in his in his game? And
being does he throws thirty touchdowns but you know only
ten interceptions. Can Sam Donald be that kind of guy?
That's what we all have to see because the reality
is that up to this point, it doesn't. I just
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keep saying he's good, he's quality, solid, but he's just
never thrown for twenty touchdowns in his life, and he's
got way too many interceptions in his career and so
I've just never seen it. But I think, like I said,
this is his you know, Willie walk on the chocolate
Factory this is his golden ticket.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
He's got to catch it in.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I'm not as optimistic.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
What does Russell Wilson have to do this weekend if
you're a Steeler fan?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Nothing, meaning like, I'm not expecting much and don't need
anything from me. He's the starting quarterback of this team.
I just wanted to be helping, you know, so he
can go out there and have a driver to whatever
coach Tomlins and omar Con what they decide to do
with how they want to play him. But it's more
about getting through the game and being healthy. I think
that's the most important thing. Because he's a Steelers quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Who's the team who everybody in the league is talking about,
but we're not talking about, like right we we get
caught up in the It's like Sugar, you know, like
the Cowboys and their drama is like Sugar and the
son Reddick And this kind of weird situation is kind
of like Sugar. Who's the team that people in the
NFL are talking about? And you've been doing this so long,
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like you know, it's really good?
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Is well?
Speaker 5 (31:35):
And I think there's no I don't think there's a
Houston dark horse team that's just gonna surprise you and
come out out.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Of the woodwork like we saw last year. I don't
feel like that's that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
But there is every but there is every year.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah, but I don't think there's gonna be in my
personal opinion, like I don't see the Carolina Panthers making
some enormous run. I don't think Jacksonville is something going
to go to fourteen and three or thirteen and four.
You know, and when you look at the other teams
around the league, I would say this if you had
to pick one team that you know, there's a lot
of momentum behind and I think what just happened in
Minnesota helped it. We all think the Packers are interesting.
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It's just such a young team. It's going to be
fun to watch what they can do. And there's you know,
with Dantavian Wicks, continue to develop, what the other receivers
they have, the young tight ends. It's just a team
that everybody's gonna like want to hitch the wagon too.
I think the league's looking at like I wish I
had that problem. I know the Patriots look at it
and go I wish I had that. You know, those
that skill set of guys I don't think that's a
big surprise. Maybe the whisper team could be the Arizona
(32:34):
Cardinals that people just don't even care. If people have
written off Kyler Murray, I don't think they understand the
impact that we're going to see with Marvin Harrison Junior.
I think Trey McBride is an elite tight end that
people don't realize quite yet either. I would say Arizona
might be that team that's like, wow, I did not
see that coming.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Would you give Colin Kaepernick a workout at this point
in his career.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
No, not anymore. It's just it's been so long. It
has nothing to do with anything other than it's just
been so long, and he can pick up a football
and all those things. But I mean we're what is
it five six years now since he's played in the
National Football Healy.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Sixteen was the last.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Twenty thirteen was the last time he was good.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean twenty sixteen, Yeah, twenty sixteen was when he
played Dougsas twenty thirteen when he was good.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah. No, I mean no, you know, I know Tarball
was talking about you know, not even on the coaching staff,
So I mean, you know that train is run. He
can sit there and say I'd like to play or
things like that, but the reality is, you know, it's
just been too too long. You know, his body can
be in football or a decent shape, but it's not
going to be ready for the pounding of the National
Football League because he hasn't been able to be hit forever.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Well.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
The other part to it is like even the coaching
staff thing, like if you're not there in training camp,
like and you know, and somebody offers you a job,
you don't immediately say I want to come, Like then
what are we doing here? Like it's not really it's
not really good discussion. So so anyway, Mark, have a
great weekend. Can't wait to have your insight on my show.
He's Mark Dominic, a long time front office scout, of course,
(33:59):
former gentle manager of the tamp Buccaneers. Join us on
the Dan Patrick Show. You're the best, appreciate join us.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Thanks you having guys, you're the weekend.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
You're the game you too, Yeah, I mean everybody everybody's playing.
Everybody's playing, so you can find out about all of
these teams. I'm Doug Golliby. He's Dan Byer in for
Dan The Dan Nettes coming up next to The Dan
Patrick Show. You want to hear what the new college
football traditions we are proposing are next.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Doug Golly, Dan Patrick, Gottley, Dan byer in for Dan
and the Dan Nets, You're and The Dan Patrick Show
Fox Sports Radio. So I just kind of real organic
way in which we plan on building this segment. Was
this yesterday on my show and Dan's part of my
show every day here on Fox Sports Radio from was
(34:54):
it three to five eastern noon to two Pacific? Really
hard when you're living in central time zone. You flip
the in your brain sometimes. And yesterday he filled in
for Cavino and Rich and so on my show, we
did we drafted our favorite college football traditions and then Dan,
you were doing something a little bit something different yesterday
(35:16):
on Cavino and Ritch. Correct.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yes, yeah, we did teams that were ones relevant that
no longer are right.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
So it's all because look, lots of people like college
football that are on Fox Sports Radio. I think obviously
Brady LeVar Colin. You me, Dan, we'd love college football,
like if you love it right. You're from Wisconsin but
a huge Ohio State football fan. Obviously I'm from California,
(35:47):
but I went a ton of UCLA games at the
Rose Bowl. My sister was a cheerleader growing up, and
then you know, going to Notre Dame, going to Oaklhoma State,
and then in my world of cover in sports, I
just love going to college football games, love best so
and once you experienced these traditions, they're awesome. But you
want to put a little twist on the best traditions
in college Yeah, I think that we know some of
(36:08):
the great traditions in college football. I think just Jason, you,
Doug myself can name some of the great traditions that
we've gotten college football. I would say Joel, but he
would bring up Michigan, and nobody wants to hear about Michigan.
But like jump around right, dotting the I some great.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Ralphie anything I'm missing USC. How about we come up
with some new traditions for school new tradition. Yes, this
is more of like a traditional game. Some teams play
for trophies Apple Cup, Washington and Washington State. How about
the winner goes to the Big Ten for that next season, Like,
(36:49):
let's just throw a bone to the Koogs and the
winner of that game stays in the Big Ten, loser
gets knocked out. It's our own version of relegation. Anybody
down with that?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I like the idea of relegation? So what happened? Can
we do that with the with the Syhawk as well?
Like Winter, the Sihawk goes to the Big Ten, loser
of the Syhawk goes to the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Sure? Yeah, there's a lot of different variations. I've always
felt Wisconsin and Michigan should play for the UP, and
we're gonna have John Morosi coming up, but then you
have Michigan State kind of you know, confusing things.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Does everybody do you guys know what the UP actually is?
Because I've actually been to the UP four times now.
It's pretty pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It is amazing. I'm sorry, Okay, Joel does for sure, Yeah,
and I think Jason does as well.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
What do you think the percentage of Americans know what
the UP is? No way way too high, way too
high way, way too high I can just again, I
can tell you from I mean people in Wisconsin and
Michigan and maybe Minnesota. But outside of that, there's not
a lot of people that know what the up if
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you say, hey, you know the up is or the
Upper Peninsula, even if you say Upper peninsus of Michigan,
like they don't understand. No, I mean you've seen some
of those like tiktoks and stuff on. People's not knowing
basic geography. That's not even basic geography that's slightly advanced.
We're like, I.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Don't even know. I know that there are some people
in this building that did not know what the UP was.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Case in point, yes, I don't. I think it's a
blow fifty percent higher than twenty five. Twenty five is
right about the number.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Re quite a game, I'll tell you that much. Yeah,
quite this showdown to the Badgers and Wolverines. But again,
the spartans kind of you.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Know, have you ever been to Mackinaw Island.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Oh, yeah, bunch was there about well, I shouldn't say
a bunch. We went a bunch when I was a kid,
and then Lisa and I went back about seven years ago,
stayed a nine or two on the island. Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Okay, so what's the Nutrit. Okay, so you got right.
Now you have.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah play in the Apple Cup, but the winner stays
in the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Okay, can happen. But cool tradition nonetheless, right because like
watching is like now we're not playing that game everever. Ever,
last thing we want to do is be relegated to
whatever conference status Washington states in Like I think that,
Like again, if we were, it wouldn't happen with the Syhawk,
but at least the falloff is not complete in obscurity exactly.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Jason Stewart, My favorite two traditions is a Sooner schooner
and Ralphie the Buffalo, just because there's always a chance
that someone falls off or gets run over it, yes,
and I always like watching it to see if that's
going to happen. I need him to up the game.
So anyone named a tiger or a wildcat, that's a
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lot of teams out there up the game. I want
somebody to come out riding a tiger, just writing would
that work?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
What if here's one we actually had the mascots fight
right like you actually had If you have a tiger
and they have a buffalo, and the tiger and the
buffalo get five minutes to go at it, and you
know little Carnigh and you can't fag him for a
week beforehand.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Maybe better than some Colorado games this season. How about this?
We know Clemson's tradition. They touch Howard's rock and they
run down the hill. Sure, if they lose, they're forced
to run back up it his punishment backwards. Yes, it's
really nice to run down and catch that air as
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you're running onto the you lose at home, you actually
have to run back up that hill like that one.
That's a good reverse one, very very good one. You
a fan of dotting the eye, Doug?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
How about North Carolina? The band there spells out in Carolina,
but the honor of dotting the inn and the abbreviation
of North goes to a former student athlete who took
a fake class over that twenty year period.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I have one though. One thing is South Carolina likes
to go by Carolina as well. Just here's a simple one.
Whoever wins between North and South Carolina gets to gets
to call themselves Carolina for the year, right because South Carolina,
by the way, also likes to go by USSE and
no one calls them USC outside of South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And they're in Columbia.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, maybe they just a lot of USC every year
and the winter gets to be called USC. If they
don't beat North Carolina, then they can't be called Carolina
any other ones.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
I want any mascot with the name of Knights to
actually do a joust before the game, an actual joust.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
You gotta get there for the joust. Yeah, this is
the Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Trade. These are the
new traditions. What was the point Jim Harball was bringing up.
I wait to hear it next to The Dan Patrick Show.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
What up with you?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio Live from Well It's
still dark in sunny southern California, along with Dan Byer Doug.
Good morning to you, Dan stan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio.
You chose to sit in your studio? Did I Did
I say something? Did I do something? I just I
(00:27):
get I'm not like you're cool with it with doing it.
It's really our new studios here at Fox Sports Radio.
I can look at you as opposed to the old studio.
I couldn't see you. But we've done this where you
sat here and they sat there. I just didn't know
it was if I said something.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
We've done that at Super Bowls. We've sat next to
each other. We've done it two time zones away. But
there are also things that I do need to do
in here when maybe you and I aren't chatting.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. It's it's it's doing work, okay.
So we got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Mark Dominic is going to join us upcoming in twenty
five minute. Mark's former gentlemanager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's
basically spend an his tires, professional life in the NFL,
and we'll get his thoughts on I think the question
of the day, and it's like a it's a question
(01:12):
we have just about every year. Is you draft a quarterback?
When do you give him that opportunity? When do you
give them that opportunity? And for everybody but the Atlanta Falcons,
right that opportunity you feel like is going to come,
and especially the first round draft picks, that that opportunity
is going to come sometime during their first season. And
last night, if you watched Drake May against the Philadelphia Eagles,
(01:35):
you're like, hey, this might work right, And of course
they have Jacoby Brissett and who former Patriot coming back
to the Patriots, who we know is just solid. Seems
like a stud dude. You know, I remember remember that
game he started gosh how many years ago was it
where when he was a rookie where they just they
(01:56):
kind of ran option. They know, it was like it
was an all time bellow check wind. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Garoppolo was supposed to fill in for Brady, but then
Garoppolo got hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wait, Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt. That never surprise. That was
during the four game suspension for Brady, right, yes, and
then that was actually probably your first question about Garoppolo,
who actually didn't fare that poorly when he was playing.
But you're like, wow, if Jacoby Brissett can put something together,
maybe it is just Belichick. That one was just Belichick.
(02:25):
They were running option, they were doing all kinds, all
kinds of trickery. I want to say again, and this
is just off top of head. Was that against the Texans.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I feel like the Texans always go up there. I
remember Textan you have been. I remember the Texans also
another Texan game when they went up there with the
letter jackets that did not end well.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That was a home game. That was because it was
like Letterman's Day. Yeah, that didn't that didn't work. Those
I don't know if those even made a return.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, no, I thought that they There was never another letter.
It was just just just that one. So I yeah,
I mean again, I don't want to get caught up
in Patriot talked for the most part, but it was
interesting last night to watch him because you know, the
reports were eh eh, and then you watch him play
(03:11):
last night, and maybe some of it was a comparison
to Drake to Jacoby Brissett, who was inaccurate, but some
of it was, Yeah, it look like you might be
able to play.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's funny because Drake May is going to be included
in the twenty twenty four quarterback class. But there's a
subclass to this too, Doug, where you're in the one,
two three, that's who you're lined up with. So it's
not even necessarily being compared with Michael PENNOCKX you alluded to,
is not going to see the field this year unless
there's an injury to Kirk Cousins. We know now no, well,
(03:40):
we now know JJ McCarthy is not going to see
the field this year for the Minnesota Vikings because of
his knee injury. But still, I don't know how those
two would have been compared when you go one, two
three in a draft, and by far, the New England
Patriots are the worst team suited of those three picks,
those three teams that picked in the top three in
the nif FELL Draft this past spring, Caleb Williams and
(04:02):
Jade and Daniels have a much better opportunity to succeed
than Drake May does in New England. So there's a
lot with it in terms of do you throw him
in there? To that point, I mean, Caleb Williams looked great.
There's just when you're looking at these quarterbacks and we
look back at history, there's gonna be this subset where
we're going to rank was it Williams, was that Daniels,
(04:24):
was it May? And who was better? And that's what
Drake Bay's gonna have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, and and you you also have to credit the
Chicago Bears, who it's it's one thing to draft a quarterback,
but it also feels like they've completely revamped the offense
and given him, given Kayleb Williams the best possible chance
to succeed early, right, Yeah, Jane Dams were like, well,
we'll see, right, there's a new regime there and and
(04:49):
we'll see kind of what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Even with with Daniels though, And I'll tell you what,
if you're not a big football fan, good luck. Name
a Patriots wide receiver that Drake May or Jacoby Brissette
would have to throw to, at least in Washington. You're like, Okay,
Terry McLaurin, all right, there's you know, there's a viable
target you had Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler in the
backfield for them. Patriots did good Vermondes' romondre Stevens in
(05:15):
a big contract. The point being is dan Quinn's been
here before, dan Quinn's been to a super Bowl before,
even that transition. Trod Mayo's his first time as a
head coach and anything, and it just feels like the
Patriots are so far behind everybody else in terms of
trying to catch up that you wonder if it's good
or bad if Drake Mate gets too much action, because
I just don't think that there's a lot there for
(05:35):
him to work with.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Well, at least the division is not difficult, that's right.
There's and there's not like there's good quarterbacks in that
division either, you know, so so they got that going
for them as well, you know. But this it does
feel like a little bit of a return to even
the pre parcels Patriots, right, That's that's what it feels like.
It's that long ago that the Patriots has always been,
(05:58):
you know, put them down for ten twelve wins, and
now you're like, and then there's you don't even list
them in playoff possibility.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Isn't that part of the dilemma with Drake May, like
you would feel like you have nothing to lose, but
and you want to get as much information as you
can early. And I think Patriot fans last night, the
Patriot fans that I saw on social media were loving
what they saw. I thought it was fine for what
Drake May did, and I think it was perfect. The
best pascity threw ended up being an incompletion. That was
(06:27):
the one that we saw on social media ton last night.
You know, the touchdown run was whatever, and his short
yardage played. Nobody thought he was going to keep the
football and he ended up making it into the end zone.
But it's like Patriot fans are wanting to believe that
this is the answer. And that's the dilemma. Do you
play Drake May now with the limited supporting cast or
do you have Jacoby Brissett start and have Drake May
(06:49):
take over. I think that's the better option if you
personally ask me, I don't think Drake May should start
week one.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You can make that's the ays thing. What's the what's
the and starting week one? And look, I do like
that they hired Alex Van Peltzer, offensive coordinator right. I mean,
he's famously a guy who Aaron Rodgers loved working with him,
so I think Baker Mayfield really like working with him
as well. I mean, I just think that's a that's
a guy who really knows how to connect with quarterbacks.
(07:18):
But you're right, it's like, this is not a year,
it's not a make or break year. I'll just can
I'll give you the the the me coaching kind of background. Right,
So when I'm I'm trying to figure out my roster
at Green Bay, and you know, it's a little different
because guys can leave. But I have a I have
(07:40):
a player who is coming in from Australia and the
rest of my players I got a chance to coach
for eight weeks in the summer, and he's young, he's
committed to staying like long term. I have other players
at his position. I think he's going to be really, really,
really good. But it's like, what is the I don't
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have to play him, what's the rush? Whereas there are
other guys where one they're more advanced or two it's
kind of part of the agreement, which is like, hey,
we're gonna we're gonna give you a shot early. But
with the Patriots. You have a guy under contract, he's
not going anywhere. That doesn't mean you sit him and
not play him. But they open up against the Cincinnati
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Bengals on the road, then they play the Seahawks at home,
Then they go to the Jets, then they go to
the Niners. Like, I don't know, do you want men?
Eventually you got to get him a shot, but do
you want to turn him? You want to let Nick
Bosa turn it loose and on the road in San Francisco.
I don't know if that's the best idea. It feels
like once you get to October, when they play the
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Dolphins at home, the Texans at home, they go to
the Jaguars and the Jets at home, that's probably a
softer landing spot, not because those teams stink, but because
those teams you're at home, and it just gives you
a better guy, a better sense of a balance.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I also think, and I just three minutes ago, said
Drake May is going to be compared to Kayleb Williams
and Jayde Daniels, which I completely agree with. But if
you take his situation to compare it to what Minnesota
had or now has, because of the injury to JJ McCarthy.
There's more of a dilemma in Minnesota because people like
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you and others still believe in Sam Donald for as
much as you're taking JJ McCarthy number one, and he
is likely going to be your guy from Minnesota. If
he lights everything up and is absolutely amazing, it sets
Sam Donald's career back on track, but it also gives
Minnesota a decision. No offense to Jacoby Brissette. But we
know who Jacoby Brissett is. There's not going to be
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a resurgence in his career. He is who he is.
They brought him in for a reason, and there's no
threat there. There's no opportunity for there. So if you
brought Jacoby Brissett in for that reason, then you brought
him in for that reason, you might as well use him.
It's not you didn't bring him in to be like
I think he can compete with Rake May. That doesn't
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make any sense. No, he was there to help Drake
May along, to move him along, to take the snaps
and play the games that Drake May isn't ready for,
and then when he is finally ready, he'll take over.
But that was the reason it's completely different from what
Minnesota is doing with their quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But can I give you maybe a little bit different
way of looking at it? Sure, you know, I understand
how we're all going to compare this quarterback class and
the rankings of this quarterback class and forever Sam Donald.
Not only is it's not just about Sam Donald's about
the fact that Lamar Jackson was in that same class
and he's won a couple MVPs. Right, And the funny
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part about Lamar Jackson was everyone passed on him in
the first round, including the Baltimore Ravens. Right, Like include
Baltimore Ravens didn't know something everybody else didn't, Right, they
took him, but they'd already taken a tight end in
the first round before they ultimately drafted Lamar Jackson. But
the point here is, like, we can be critical of
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him if he turns out to not be better, especially
than JJ McCarthy who was drafted behind him, But you
cannot say, well, they should have had Jaden Daniels. Well,
they couldn't get Jane. They weren't getting Jane, they weren't
getting Caleb Williams, right, those it's not a possibility. So
it's a hard thing sometimes for a fan to rationalize.
(11:18):
But and this is where they say the old what
comparison is the thief of joy. I understand, we're gonna
if we could redraft, if we could reorder. Okay, but
the only team that could have picked any of the
quarterbacks is the Bears. The only team that could have
taken any of the quarterbacks outside of Kayleb Williams is
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the Commanders. And then the Patriots selected the third what
they thought was the third best option. And that's the
only fair way you can look at it. And we
are completely unfair as sports fans.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
We just are. That's reality to it. I agree with
you completely except for one caveat. But we saw in
Hard Knocks offseason, New England had a chance to trade
down with the Giants, like the Giants and soy. And
that's funny because I loved that show. Lard Knocks offseason.
I thought nine million times better than Bears training camp.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I thought I thought they really nailed something there. I yes,
I just do.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I thought that was you were like, oh, this is
it's better than the one with JJ watt on a
tackling dummy. Yes, off in the side, pretending like he's,
you know, doing putting in this extra work and he's
Captain America, like this is actually real. And I've had
by the way I was with I was with the
Bears at their facility. I talked to some of their
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guys and they're like, did you watch the Giants thing.
I was like, yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, it's great. That's the stuff that you're sitting around
twenty years later and you're like, well, you didn't know it.
But the Patriots actually got a call from the Giants
the day of the draft, or they didn't want to
do the deal and took Drake May and the rest
was history. Those are the stories. So I agree with
everything he said. But for Patriots fan, if it doesn't
work out, can always say, well, see, you should have
(13:04):
done that deal with the Giants. Could have stuck him
with New York. You know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
The other interesting part about the Patriots is, and we're
seeing you know, the Dolphins are an example of it.
You know, the Bills went through it forever after. You know,
when you lose a legendary quarterback. What's happened in Green
Bay is one of one. There is no franchise in
professional sports or in professional football that's gone from Hall
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of Famer to Hall of Famer to now what they
feel like is franchise quarterback. It just hasn't happened. You know,
John Elway retires in Denver. Go through the names obviously, Miami.
I think a big reason they overpaid to a tongue
of Biloa was it's been thirty years or so, maybe
even more since Dan the Man, right, and you're like,
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we haven't had anybody that we really thought was our guy,
that we could build around, that we could keep, that
was good enough. So let's just hold onto this one
grasp on this and hell, that's part of the Bears thing.
It's like the Bears have never really had a guy.
I mean, everybody loved Jim McMahon, but let's not act
like Jim McMahon was one of the five best quarterbacks
in the NFL. Even when they won the Super Bowl,
they were a defensive oriented team and they had Walter
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Payton and you know, every once in a while they
would chuck it up deep to Willie galt So And
I'm not like defaming Jim McMahon. He was more of
a personality than he was. He wasn't at that time.
Remember that's Marino in Montana, that's what he was. So
I do, like, if you're New England, you got to
just sit here and gore, like, look, we don't necessarily
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need the next Tom Brady, the next Tom Brady like
that that's an ultimate outlier. But man, if we can
just get somebody who's good, who's solid, right, good dude,
solid dude gets for the football, accountable, good leader right
like this is because these next three years, maybe even four,
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when he's under a rookie deal, that's what you can
truly rebuild a franchise. If you can get away with
not spending any money in the quarterback room and then
sp spending all the money and you had to draft
smartly all around. That's got to be the process. But
it's fascinating to watch. You know, so many of these
teams have searched for years. The Packers obviously are the
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opposite of it. And when or how long it takes
New England to find just a multi year starter, just
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Speaker 3 (16:56):
That's Dan Patrick show, Fox Sports Radio. So there's a
video out there, Dan Byer, I don't know if you've
seen it, where Tom Brady is on a boat and
he's throwing passes the people on jet skis, and he
turns to the camera and says, I just want to
make sure all these young bucks in the NFL know
(17:17):
I if I still wanted to come out of retirement,
they still got something to deal with, Brady said, which,
by the way, most all of these question backs, lots
of NFL NBA players say the exact same thing. But
what if, right, yes, it's the gigantic what.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
If When you read the comments in print, you're like, wait,
what is he talking about? And then later on he
said that he's had zero passing days this offseason, so
by no means is he ready and now he's forty
seven years old. But I kind of started going through
some of the NFL and being like, all right, if
they could take Brady right now in their current situation,
(17:58):
how many would And more more often than not, Doug
I thought I would maybe get one per division, but
it was more like one or two when you're really
like looking at it and you're saying, all right, AFC East,
who he just talked about, would New England take him back? Absolutely?
I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
In a heart, but he would. He would never go there. No,
never go there.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
No, I don't. I don't think so either. But would
the Dolphins take him? Yeah? Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I mean, like, look, if I'm the Dolphins, I would
rather have him than Tua right now.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well that's and I think that there are people who
believe that as well. It also are on that same
page with you. Pittsburgh rather have Brady than Fields and Wilson, Yeah, absolutely,
Will Levis or Tom Brady and Tennessee for this season
Tom Brady? Yeah, Tom Brady absolutely go to the AFC West,
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Broncos and Raiders.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
You know what he has. I'm gonna use the word
that that the kids are using today, Like I love
having teenage kids, and now I have two, one that's
in college, one that's going to college next week. You
ever heard they use the word aura, right, Yes, they
have aura. He just does. It's like a real thing.
Like even if he can't throw a football on him,
(19:17):
what which he can I'm sure he can't. At the
velocity and the accuracy and the consistency of which he did,
you know earlier's career. That's that's normal. It's natural. It's
actually natural aging process. Even though he seems to not age,
he does. He's got that Benjamin Button thing going. But
he does have aura. And you know whether or not
he'd actually be good, he make you believe that here
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you can be good.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, there are a lot of spots in the NFL
that you would think, all right, he's not gonna go.
But when you really look at it and break it down,
there's probably at least one team of division that you're like, yeah,
they probably have Brady, and then in some cases it's two.
It's it's crazy. And when he said you know what
he's got, I went on the way back machine to
(19:58):
Seinfeld and to Oxy. I thought you were gonna say
moxie Yet, Maxie, I don't know if that's that's the
same as aura as the the kids these days are saying.
But he also has it, I think that we all understand.
And he also has seven Super Bowl rings.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I don't know if he has them. The moxie is
like the one thing about guys when they get older,
is they know. But none of those guys like to
be hit. None of them go like, man, I can't
wait to come back in the NFL and get ear
hold right, but to step in there staying there like
they have a tendency to dirt it and get rid
of it quicker.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
But I it's the it's the the leadership component and
the I read this story where there was an empty
locker next to him in Tampa and players should just
bring stuff in every day and just leave it there
and just every day it's there, just sign sign sign,
sign signed. So it's like, you know, when you're a
player who guys in the NFL literally grew up watching
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you win Super Bowls, It's it's a it's a different,
different deal. Mark Dominic joins us here on the Dan
Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio with Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb,
and Mark of course, former general manager of the Tampay Buccaneers,
spent his lifetime in the National Football leag We're talking
about Drake May and Jacoby Brissett, and what I was
talking about earlier is like, look, you can compare him
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to Jade Danels. You can compare them to Kayleb Williams.
But the Patriots didn't have the chance to draft either
of those two quarterbacks. So you've been in these situations before.
What's the They're not great expectations of New England. They're
a difficult division. You got first year head coach, you're
rebuilding the roster. What's the thought behind when you start him?
(21:33):
Because you're going to start him? But when do you
start Drake May?
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Yeah, you know, I think it's an inchie question in
my personal opinion. You start them with probably around week
three or four. You let Jacoby Brissett, you know, take
the lumps early in the season. Let Drake May see
what the difference is between week one of the preseason
and week one of the regular season and how everything
gets ramped up, what a week looks like from a
preparation standpoint, And unless Jacoby Brissett goes out there and
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just lights it up, you make the transition round week
three and four. And the reason why, Doug Dana I
see it as this, You're going to need fans to
get behind Drake May and and right now I don't
think they are fully behind him.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
And so if Kacobe were set struggles, the fans gonna
be like, well, let's at least play Drake May, and
they're gonna be more forgiving to it. So Drake May,
number one, is going to get to the field a
little slow to see how to get prepared. And number two,
he might get the New England crowd saying, hey, look,
either rookie, he's struggling, let's see what you can do.
You know, be patient with him instead of throwing them
out there week one and it's like, this guy's a
bumb he's no good, he can't get it done. So
(22:34):
I think that's what you're thinking. But I think the Patriots,
in my opinion, made their first rookie mistake last week,
and it's a rookie head coach to rookie gm Drake
May should have played it a lot more last week
and should have played a lot lot more, and then
this week he obviously was out there for a while.
But there's no reason for Bailey's appy to be getting
reps right now. Those should be all Drake May's.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, what did you think of Drake May the prospect?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I didn't like him.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
I'm not gonna sit here and say I didn't like him.
I had for me, I was Jaden Daniels one, and
then I was you know, obviously the Bears was with
you know, Caleb was number two, and then I had
Drake three. I had Pennix four, and I had just
lost i'll think of it, JJ McCartney five, and then
I had bo nixt six. So I had Drake May three,
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and I thought that, you know, the arm strength, the
arm talent. I thought the athleticism was really good. So
I thought that was certainly potential. And as you guys said,
you know, it wasn't like New England had.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
The choice of the first two.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
I think that was pretty much rotten in Stone. But
I think it's here. Uh you know, who knows when
it's all said and done, you know which guy's going
to be the best, which guy's going to be a bust.
We all know that they're all not going to be stars.
But uh, you know, it's just a it's a frustrating
spot because when you look at the Patriots, a place
that people used to want to go so they could
at least get a championship, even though they did enjoyed
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playing there. Now the Patriots have kind of become the
Detroit Lions like no one really wants to go.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Which is amazing, it really is. What do you think
of Alex van Pelt in terms of development? And I
bring it up because I think the fan looks at
just the player and expects the player to perform, and
then you know, those of us in sports media we
sit there and go like, well, he doesn't have any
wide receivers to throw to, you know. But I believe
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that a good portion of a guy's development is who
you surround him and who you support him with the
other court of the veteran quarterback right as well as
who his offensive coordinator, quarterback coach is. How does Alex
van Pelt feel to you fitting with drag May?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I think it should be a good fit because he's
worked with more of this type the size of quarterback
you know where you know, Jane Daniel steels perfect for
Cliff Pillingsbury because that's kind of the skill set he loves,
and I think for Van Pelt Drake May. And I
think that's what drew the Patriots to Drake May is
I think Alex Pelt works with you know, a bigger bodied,
you know pocket you know, certainly an athlete, but a
pocket thrower, and I think that's why that made sense
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to me. I've been on staffs with Alex man Pelp.
I think he's a very smart coach. I saw him.
I actually started my career with the Chiefs when he
was a backup in Kansas City and their coach Schttenheimer
and Paul Hackett and Mike McCarthy was there as a
quality control coach. So he's been around a lot of
football for a long time. I think he's very smart.
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I think he's very relatable. I think those are all
good things. I think it's more of what you're saying.
I think it's this team's been rebuilding now for you know,
four years, and if they really still don't have a
great offensive line, they don't have a great wide receiver room.
Even though I think Polk is going to be a
good player, the running back is a good player, but
defensive coordinators don't go, oh boy, what are we going
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to do this week? And so I think the problem
is the Patriots just don't have a great roster and
it just got worse by trading away Matt Judon. So
I think that this is just a team that's, you know,
kind of set to struggle and I think it's very
freshing for an organization that's so used to twenty years
of just rolling out of bed and being a champion.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I think we all feel bad for JJ McCarthy in
losing the sea, but how does Minnesota handle it? And
is it as bad as maybe it would read on
the surface.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah, you know, it's certainly disappointing. You know, the odds
of him coming back are very slim. You still can
hold out a little hope, but the reality is you
want to make sure he's going to fully heal. You know,
they've been very positive about Sam Donald. We will see
what Sam Donald can do in the system. You know,
it's very positive to see what JJ did in his opportunity.
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That was very encouraging in terms of pushing the ball
down the field and making good decisions for the most part.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
So it's it's certainly a blow.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
To this team. I don't feel like Sam Donald's gonna,
you know, come in and pull the Kurt Warner. Trent
Green goes down and Kurt Warner comes in and while
we've got a championship, I think he's really cushes Minnesota
in the short term. But you know, it's one year
you know, it's it's certainly a hard thing to have
to deal with the watcher quarterback not play.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
And that's why every day after practice I went and
save the athletic trainer and not to head coach to
see who's healthy who's not. But you know, I don't
have anything good to say because this is such a
frustrated injury from a young player. And that just shows
you why NFL owners continue in every CBA to fight
against guaranteed contracts because things like this happened.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Okay, hear me out. Could it be good for Sam
Donald that he doesn't have to worry about JJ McCarthy
looking over his shoulder?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, I mean I think I think Sam Donald knows
JJ was going to look over shoulder. Do I think
Sam's going to play that much better? I think it's
kind of what you guys just talked about with as
Sam pel this is a really nice system and it's
a good system, and so I think Sam Donald's probably
excited about just being in the system and now saying
I am the starter and not having.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
To think about it. So you have to actually put that.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Into the mindset that Sam realizes this is his last
golden ticket and if he doesn't cash it in, he's
going to become a forever backup or however long he
wants to play. And so yeah, I guess I would
say from a mental standpoint, you know you're the starter,
you know you're the guy, and it's your season to
see what you can do as a quarterback in the
National FOOTBA.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Leagueah okay, and look I'm and you know on my show,
Oh you join us and I don't. I don't know
if we've discussed this, but Dan and I have talked
a bunch about this. I'm still a holder of stockholder
in Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You actually tried to convince Mark last season that he
should play over party. I remember that vividly.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I did, I did you know? And I just did.
I again, I'm just a buyer and I do understand that.
And I think one of the things that happens, and
I've known it happens as a player and as a broadcaster,
but now as a coach as well as like, there
does come a point where guys are so beaten down
mentally they lose that confidence, they lose that swagger. It's
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not sometimes even about the talent, even though they have, uh,
they have all the weaponry at their disposal, and he
has all the experience in the world, but just the
years have worn out, worn out, worn him out. But
I guess that's my question to you. I he has
a quarterback as his head coach. He has a system.
This is not his first year in the system. He
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was in the same system in San Francisco last year.
He's got two really good wide receivers and with Aaron Jones,
he's got talented two way running back as well. Like,
this is a pretty good setup. Do you think he
even has it in him?
Speaker 6 (29:10):
You know what? I think what you brought up with it.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
You know, obviously with Kevin O'Connell's offense, and to your point,
being with Shanahan last year, being very comfortable and fluid
to just jump into Minnesota and feel very because.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
All those reps he took. Yeah, he didn't get.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
To throw the ball a ton during the regular season
last year, but he took a ton of reps in practice.
And now he's had an whole entire offseason to say,
I already know the play call, I know this book.
It should give him every chance. Is you're gonna find out.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Right, it's going to be like because I do think
the roster.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Offensively, you know, once they get Hockinson back, is really
really good, you know, and hopefully Addison, you know, is
gets everything on track, not just off in the field,
but off the field. He needs to get everything together.
But you know, they have two good receivers, they have
an elite tight end obviously, and they've got the running
game that you talked about. It should be there. I
think the offensive line is good too, and so the
whole piece should be there. Offensively, they should be good
(30:01):
enough to show. Is Sam Donald a guy that can
you know, two or three x interceptions to touchdowns? Can
he actually do that in his in his game? And
being does he throws thirty touchdowns but you know only
ten interceptions. Can Sam Donald be that kind of guy?
That's what we all have to see because the reality
is that up to this point, it doesn't. I just
(30:22):
keep saying he's good, he's quality, solid, but he's just
never thrown for twenty touchdowns in his life, and he's
got way too many interceptions in his career and so
I've just never seen it. But I think, like I said,
this is his you know, Willie walk on the chocolate
Factory this is his golden ticket.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
He's got to catch it in.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I'm not as optimistic.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
What does Russell Wilson have to do this weekend if
you're a Steeler fan?
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Nothing, meaning like, I'm not expecting much and don't need
anything from me. He's the starting quarterback of this team.
I just wanted to be helping, you know, so he
can go out there and have a driver to whatever
coach Tomlins and omar Con what they decide to do
with how they want to play him. But it's more
about getting through the game and being healthy. I think
that's the most important thing. Because he's a Steelers quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Who's the team who everybody in the league is talking about,
but we're not talking about, like right we we get
caught up in the It's like Sugar, you know, like
the Cowboys and their drama is like Sugar and the
son Reddick And this kind of weird situation is kind
of like Sugar. Who's the team that people in the
NFL are talking about? And you've been doing this so long,
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like you know, it's really good?
Speaker 6 (31:32):
Is well?
Speaker 5 (31:35):
And I think there's no I don't think there's a
Houston dark horse team that's just gonna surprise you and
come out out.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Of the woodwork like we saw last year. I don't
feel like that's that.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
But there is every but there is every year.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah, but I don't think there's gonna be in my
personal opinion, like I don't see the Carolina Panthers making
some enormous run. I don't think Jacksonville is something going
to go to fourteen and three or thirteen and four.
You know, and when you look at the other teams
around the league, I would say this if you had
to pick one team that you know, there's a lot
of momentum behind and I think what just happened in
Minnesota helped it. We all think the Packers are interesting.
(32:10):
It's just such a young team. It's going to be
fun to watch what they can do. And there's you know,
with Dantavian Wicks, continue to develop, what the other receivers
they have, the young tight ends. It's just a team
that everybody's gonna like want to hitch the wagon too.
I think the league's looking at like I wish I
had that problem. I know the Patriots look at it
and go I wish I had that. You know, those
that skill set of guys I don't think that's a
big surprise. Maybe the whisper team could be the Arizona
(32:34):
Cardinals that people just don't even care. If people have
written off Kyler Murray, I don't think they understand the
impact that we're going to see with Marvin Harrison Junior.
I think Trey McBride is an elite tight end that
people don't realize quite yet either. I would say Arizona
might be that team that's like, wow, I did not
see that coming.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Would you give Colin Kaepernick a workout at this point
in his career.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
No, not anymore. It's just it's been so long. It
has nothing to do with anything other than it's just
been so long, and he can pick up a football
and all those things. But I mean we're what is
it five six years now since he's played in the
National Football Healy.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Sixteen was the last.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Twenty thirteen was the last time he was good.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean twenty sixteen, Yeah, twenty sixteen was when he
played Dougsas twenty thirteen when he was good.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yeah. No, I mean no, you know, I know Tarball
was talking about you know, not even on the coaching staff,
So I mean, you know that train is run. He
can sit there and say I'd like to play or
things like that, but the reality is, you know, it's
just been too too long. You know, his body can
be in football or a decent shape, but it's not
going to be ready for the pounding of the National
Football League because he hasn't been able to be hit forever.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Well.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
The other part to it is like even the coaching
staff thing, like if you're not there in training camp,
like and you know, and somebody offers you a job,
you don't immediately say I want to come, Like then
what are we doing here? Like it's not really it's
not really good discussion. So so anyway, Mark, have a
great weekend. Can't wait to have your insight on my show.
He's Mark Dominic, a long time front office scout, of course,
(33:59):
former gentle manager of the tamp Buccaneers. Join us on
the Dan Patrick Show. You're the best, appreciate join us.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Thanks you having guys, you're the weekend.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
You're the game you too, Yeah, I mean everybody everybody's playing.
Everybody's playing, so you can find out about all of
these teams. I'm Doug Golliby. He's Dan Byer in for
Dan The Dan Nettes coming up next to The Dan
Patrick Show. You want to hear what the new college
football traditions we are proposing are next.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
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Speaker 3 (34:32):
Doug Golly, Dan Patrick, Gottley, Dan byer in for Dan
and the Dan Nets, You're and The Dan Patrick Show
Fox Sports Radio. So I just kind of real organic
way in which we plan on building this segment. Was
this yesterday on my show and Dan's part of my
show every day here on Fox Sports Radio from was
(34:54):
it three to five eastern noon to two Pacific? Really
hard when you're living in central time zone. You flip
the in your brain sometimes. And yesterday he filled in
for Cavino and Rich and so on my show, we
did we drafted our favorite college football traditions and then Dan,
you were doing something a little bit something different yesterday
(35:16):
on Cavino and Ritch. Correct.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yes, yeah, we did teams that were ones relevant that
no longer are right.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
So it's all because look, lots of people like college
football that are on Fox Sports Radio. I think obviously
Brady LeVar Colin. You me, Dan, we'd love college football,
like if you love it right. You're from Wisconsin but
a huge Ohio State football fan. Obviously I'm from California,
(35:47):
but I went a ton of UCLA games at the
Rose Bowl. My sister was a cheerleader growing up, and
then you know, going to Notre Dame, going to Oaklhoma State,
and then in my world of cover in sports, I
just love going to college football games, love best so
and once you experienced these traditions, they're awesome. But you
want to put a little twist on the best traditions
in college Yeah, I think that we know some of
(36:08):
the great traditions in college football. I think just Jason, you,
Doug myself can name some of the great traditions that
we've gotten college football. I would say Joel, but he
would bring up Michigan, and nobody wants to hear about Michigan.
But like jump around right, dotting the I some great.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Ralphie anything I'm missing USC. How about we come up
with some new traditions for school new tradition. Yes, this
is more of like a traditional game. Some teams play
for trophies Apple Cup, Washington and Washington State. How about
the winner goes to the Big Ten for that next season, Like,
(36:49):
let's just throw a bone to the Koogs and the
winner of that game stays in the Big Ten, loser
gets knocked out. It's our own version of relegation. Anybody
down with that?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
I like the idea of relegation? So what happened? Can
we do that with the with the Syhawk as well?
Like Winter, the Sihawk goes to the Big Ten, loser
of the Syhawk goes to the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Sure? Yeah, there's a lot of different variations. I've always
felt Wisconsin and Michigan should play for the UP, and
we're gonna have John Morosi coming up, but then you
have Michigan State kind of you know, confusing things.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Does everybody do you guys know what the UP actually is?
Because I've actually been to the UP four times now.
It's pretty pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It is amazing. I'm sorry, Okay, Joel does for sure, Yeah,
and I think Jason does as well.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
What do you think the percentage of Americans know what
the UP is? No way way too high, way too
high way, way too high I can just again, I
can tell you from I mean people in Wisconsin and
Michigan and maybe Minnesota. But outside of that, there's not
a lot of people that know what the up if
(38:00):
you say, hey, you know the up is or the
Upper Peninsula, even if you say Upper peninsus of Michigan,
like they don't understand. No, I mean you've seen some
of those like tiktoks and stuff on. People's not knowing
basic geography. That's not even basic geography that's slightly advanced.
We're like, I.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Don't even know. I know that there are some people
in this building that did not know what the UP was.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Case in point, yes, I don't. I think it's a
blow fifty percent higher than twenty five. Twenty five is
right about the number.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Re quite a game, I'll tell you that much. Yeah,
quite this showdown to the Badgers and Wolverines. But again,
the spartans kind of you.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Know, have you ever been to Mackinaw Island.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Oh, yeah, bunch was there about well, I shouldn't say
a bunch. We went a bunch when I was a kid,
and then Lisa and I went back about seven years ago,
stayed a nine or two on the island. Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Okay, so what's the Nutrit. Okay, so you got right.
Now you have.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah play in the Apple Cup, but the winner stays
in the Big ten.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Okay, can happen. But cool tradition nonetheless, right because like
watching is like now we're not playing that game everever. Ever,
last thing we want to do is be relegated to
whatever conference status Washington states in Like I think that,
Like again, if we were, it wouldn't happen with the Syhawk,
but at least the falloff is not complete in obscurity exactly.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Jason Stewart, My favorite two traditions is a Sooner schooner
and Ralphie the Buffalo, just because there's always a chance
that someone falls off or gets run over it, yes,
and I always like watching it to see if that's
going to happen. I need him to up the game.
So anyone named a tiger or a wildcat, that's a
(39:42):
lot of teams out there up the game. I want
somebody to come out riding a tiger, just writing would
that work?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
What if here's one we actually had the mascots fight
right like you actually had If you have a tiger
and they have a buffalo, and the tiger and the
buffalo get five minutes to go at it, and you
know little Carnigh and you can't fag him for a
week beforehand.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Maybe better than some Colorado games this season. How about this?
We know Clemson's tradition. They touch Howard's rock and they
run down the hill. Sure, if they lose, they're forced
to run back up it his punishment backwards. Yes, it's
really nice to run down and catch that air as
(40:32):
you're running onto the you lose at home, you actually
have to run back up that hill like that one.
That's a good reverse one, very very good one. You
a fan of dotting the eye, Doug?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
How about North Carolina? The band there spells out in Carolina,
but the honor of dotting the inn and the abbreviation
of North goes to a former student athlete who took
a fake class over that twenty year period.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I have one though. One thing is South Carolina likes
to go by Carolina as well. Just here's a simple one.
Whoever wins between North and South Carolina gets to gets
to call themselves Carolina for the year, right because South Carolina,
by the way, also likes to go by USSE and
no one calls them USC outside of South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And they're in Columbia.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, maybe they just a lot of USC every year
and the winter gets to be called USC. If they
don't beat North Carolina, then they can't be called Carolina
any other ones.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
I want any mascot with the name of Knights to
actually do a joust before the game, an actual joust.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
You gotta get there for the joust. Yeah, this is
the Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Trade. These are the
new traditions. What was the point Jim Harball was bringing up.
I wait to hear it next to The Dan Patrick Show.
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