August 19, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug reacts to the comments made by Dolphins' head coach Tua Tagovailoa about his former head coach Brian Flores. Doug weighs in on the return weekend for Caitlin Clark. Doug welcomes sports reporter Holly Rowe onto the show to preview the college football season. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?"
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You know what week it is. It's the week before
game week, which is actually game week week zero in
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college football. Right, it's week zero, which is super which
is super we weird because it's actually week one. Right.
It's like preboarding a plane. You want to get on
a plane. Before you board a plane, how do you
how does that all work? Not really sure? Doesn't really
matter that this is a game week. This is I
think it's gonna be a really good show. By the way,
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we'll talk some Caitlin Clark Holly row will join us
here in about twenty five minutes. Gets you ready for
the college football season. And boy, there is one name
as a rookie starting quarterback there. Everybody's just trying to
convince us is better than the rest. I'll see. I'll
tell you why I need some convincing coming up next,
but let's start with this. Speaking of quarterbacks, you know,
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a couple of years ago, Brian Flores was fired by
the Miami Dolphins, and it was during a time in
which there were other minority candidates for head coaching jobs
in the NFL, and there were a paucity of black
head coaches, and many people said that Flora's being fired
and oh yeah, oh, by the way, Flora's being told
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by Bill Belichick, who was getting the Giants job before
he ever interviewed for the Giants job, was seen as
some sort of racism. And at the time I tried
to inform people how comical and ludicrous those assertions were,
mostly because if you knew who he was working for
in Miami, his entire front office is black. And if
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you read the reports and talk to people and understood
that he came from the Belichick tree, you knew how
all this thing was kind of sort of going down.
Then you're like, okay, well, why didn't he get a
shot with the New York Giants. You know they already
picked the white coach. They brought him in. No, no, no,
that's not how it works. And this is where I
can give although it's only the last three months, I
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can give you the reality of how it works in coaching.
The reality is that when Wyoming came open, everyone and
their brother, myself included, knew that Sundance Wicks, who preceded
me at Green Bay, would be the next head coach there.
So it didn't matter who they inter and who they
talked to. Sundances from Wyoming came on the staff and
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had been a head coach previous to Green Bay and
was a head coach at Green Bay and turned him
from four wins to eighteen wins. It was an absolute
no brainer, right. And if you look at the New
York Giants, John Marra is really close to Bill Belichick.
Bill Belichick didn't tell him not to interview for the job.
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He just told him who was ultimately going to get
the job. Why, Because the Bills were the offense and
the change in Josh Allen was so apparent that you
wanted that offensive coordinator be your guy. Right, you had
you want to draft a new quarterback, you had to
have a new system. The quarterback whisper, that's who you're
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gonna pick. As opposed to Brian Flores, who had major
trouble a new offensive coordinator every year, couldn't get along
with the offensive coordinators apparently couldn't get out along with
the front office. And then he clearly did not think
that to a tongue of Ioloa was good enough. But
because Brian Flores sued the league for discrimination, and because
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Brian Flores hasn't gotten a job since despite the fact
he was an outstanding defensive coordinator going back to his
time short time with the Newton Patriots, there was this
overall sense of, well, he got fired because of racism.
To a tongue of Iolawa is Hawaiian. He is of
Polynesian descent, and I only tell you that because you
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know that. But remember, you have an all black front office.
You have a Polynesian quarterback who was selected number four
in the draft. Some people believe that the Miami Dolphins
wanted to lose games to make sure they got to
a tongue of ioloa and oh yeah. By the way,
Brian Flores has echoed that I think everybody knew that
to be the case. But if you want to know
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why he lost the job, take a listen to Tua
and what he said to Dan LeBatard.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
To put it in simplest term, if you woke up
every morning and I told you you suck at what
you did, that you don't belong doing what you do,
that you shouldn't be here, that this guy should be here,
that you haven't earned this right, and then you have
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somebody else come in and tell you, dude, you are
the best fit for this, like you are accurate, you
are the best whatever you are, this you are that.
Like how would it make you feel listening to one
or the other? You see what I'm saying, and then
you hear it. You hear it regardless of what it is,
the good or the bad, and you hear it more
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and more. You start to actually believe that, I don't
care who you are, you can be the president of
the United States. You have a terrible person that's telling
you things that you don't want to hear, or that
you probably shouldn't be hearing you're going to talk to
believe that about yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Remember what he said, And again I do believe that
he was just going and ranting, but he said a
terrible person. That's how he described Brian Flores, and that
he killed his confidence. And look, when your coaching confidence
is actually job number one, it's a really hard thing.
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And players today are different than players of if you're
in your forties or older our era, right the old
break them down, build them back up. But in professional
sports it's almost unheard of, with the exception of the Patriots.
And therein lies the problem with so many former Patriots assistants,
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so many of them where they walk in and they
carry themselves as if they're Bill Belichick, as if they're
Bill Belichick, not understanding that Bill Belichick had earned that
respect over twenty plus years of success and had just
the right player in a Tom Brady, to coaching just
the right way. He was toughest on Tom Brady, but
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Tom Brady could take it. And oh yeah, by the way,
tom Brady was always already accomplished, so too is Bill Belichick.
So so many of these guys have gone down and
done their Belichick impression. And he doesn't work. Then you
factor in that you have a completely different generation of
player and you have a really smart player in a
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TUA who When you're smart, you can also be sensitive
to where you listen to guys. When a guy says
you suck, they turn to go really, whereas hardcourt dudes
say you suck and they say, I'm gonna prove to
you don't know what you're talking about. You have to
know him, the mentality of each player, at the confidence
level of each player. I'll give you an example. When
I played in college, my backcourt mate this guy named
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Joe Atkins. Okay, you could tell Joe whatever you wanted.
You could take him out, you could yell at him,
you could tell me he didn't know what a good
chot was. When Joe got back of the game and
he's felt any sort of light that ball was going up,
he had unmistakable, undeniable self confidence. I did not did not,
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And you know, if you go back and you watch
my college I'm like, why did you shoot me your
one up? Because I was scared to get taken out
of the game. And you can't ultimately succeed that way,
but in the short term you try and be a pleaser,
you try and please your coach. Tuua, he starts, smart dude,
he starts to question himself. Maybe I do suck, Maybe
I'm not good enough, maybe I should have imposter syndrome.
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The point is that your ability to maintain the respect
of your quarterback, to get the best out of him,
to coach him hard but fair, that is usually what
determines your success in the National Football League. And for
anyone who said Brian Flores was fired or hasn't gotten
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any of these jobs because of the color of his skin,
that simply means they haven't called Miami because this is
what they have told everybody without saying it on camera.
Another front office has killed Brian Flores, and Tua only
did because of the juxtaposition of Mike McDaniel now with
how he was coached previously and what works for him.
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But there's so much here in that story, right. It's
the truth about Flores. It's why those Belichick guys haven't succeeded.
It's why Mike McDaniels is succeeding. It's the new age
of player and how they have to be coached, and
it's confidence, which is just as important as conditioning, and
as culture. Those are the three big seas if you
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want to win in sports, If you destroy somebody's confidence,
you're destroying their game and the break them down. Building
back up that era is gone. It takes a really
special kid, a really special person to accept that level
of criticism, and you don't have the time to build
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him back up like you used to back when kids
would go to college for four and five years. But
good for Tua, tough for Flores. Good luck getting a
head coaching job now when you were called a terrible
person by two I Tako Bilow, Yeah, Dann Buyer, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know the only thing about this that just strikes
me as odd as the timing of it. And usually
when you get the last laugh or the maybe you
win a super Bowl and then a lot of stuff
comes out afterwards because you've proved everyone wrong. I get
this sense, and I'm curious in what you think. Does
he say it now because he got the contract?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You know, like, but then you wonder, all right, what
are the goals?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Was it winning the Super Bowl? Was that what he
was going to come out? Was it getting paid? When
was this actually going to was it? When he retired,
and now we found out that it comes out after
he gets the big contract, where he feel like he's
now been validated.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And I find it interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And maybe because of the glowing remarks that he made
about Mike McDaniel and what they've got going on in Miami,
he felt that them giving him the contract is another
reason to to show a positive light on that crew.
But I just find it interesting that it's he does
this after he gets the contract, and maybe not winning
a Lombardi or winning an MVP or something like that.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, No, he definitely did the how you like me now?
And I mean that one is a that's a heavy
weight around the neck of Brian Flores. But I would
also commend to on waiting to just the right way
and and and selling it at just the right I mean,
giving us I think way more in terms of honesty
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than anybody else would have in regards to what really
went down, you know, because a lot of times when
you have something negative, say be like, you know, there's
some things that went on I disagree with some ways
that like no, no, he said he's a terrible person.
He told me I sucked it. Everything he told me.
I didn't belong here and it started to wear on me.
I agree with you. The timing is like, oh, because
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you got the contract. But I do think he's given
us context everything on why he believes he's been so
successful recently as opposed to why it was so off
early on. It's a very fair point. You make, very
fair point.
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buying should be so Caitlin Clark helped the Indiana Fever
get another win last night, ninety two seventy five over
(13:19):
the Seattle Storms. She break broke the WNBA single season
Ricky mark for assists. She's averaging eight point three per game.
Tisha Pinchero was the previous record holder with two twenty four.
She had nine for two thirty two. I believe they're
playing more games now, so whatever, but she did break
it early in the season. Remember they beat the Phoenix
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Mercury ninety eight eighty nine in Indy. Clark had twenty
nine in that game. She also had ten assists and
five rebounds. She was asked about a technical foul she
got during the game. Seattle player juwel Lloyd was asked,
We'll get to that. Her response in a second, but
here here's Kaitlyn Clark when asked about that technical foul.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I got a technical for basically being mad at myself
because I missed the three and then I went and
hit the backboard, and he told me it was disrespectful
to the game of basketball.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
So I don't know. It reminded me of the technical.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
That I got in college where I said damn it,
where it's like a personal frustration.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Had nothing to do with the refie, had nothing to
do with other team.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
It was just because I'm a competitor and I felt
like I should have been making more shots. But I
think he fired me up to continue to play a
lot harder.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I thought we got a lot better. I we did that,
so I want to thank him for that.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
But overall, I thought once we got to that media
time out around five minutes in the third quarter, I thought.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
We all kind of just took a breath.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
It was a little chaos there for two and a
half minutes, and I think I could have done a
better job of kind of regaining my cool. But that's
like the fire passion that just gets me going. It's
just finding a way to channel that and use that.
I thought I did a really good job of that.
At the the third and the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Here's Skyler Diggins kind of bumped shoulders with her and
there's some kerfuffle between the coaches. Here's Juel Lloyd, who
plays for Seattle Storm. She was asked what she thinks
about the impact Caitlin Clark has had on the WNBA's rookie.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
I'm going to talk about our rookiees Nika has been great,
She's been awesome putting her work in. I think our
Jordan has been phenomenal to her second year of her growth.
You know, our focus is our our team on and
what we need to do as a community to be better.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I just the level of pettiness in the women's game
is surprising to most people, not surprising to me. I
told people this a long time ago, Like the number
one thing holding women back and broadcasting is other women.
They just they just cattiness and pettiness. And the number
one thing holding back the w NBA this season is
cattiness and pettiness. Cattiness and pettiness. I mean, it's just
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comical how they like. I don't want to talk about her,
so I'm going to talk about her own rookies. Okay,
just okay. The crowds are massive, she's playing incredibly well.
It costs nothing to give somebody a compliment and to go, hey,
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the Kaitlin Clark thing is awesome, and we want to
take all that popularity and have people learn about our rookies.
They just can't do it, can't do it. We had
to holly row in a second. First, let's get to
a Dan byer get a quick update and everything going
on sports?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Anybody got you know, I will say the conversation that
we had Friday about the NFL and Kitlyn Clark a spurret,
a topic I did on my show yesterday with Carrie
Rhodes in talking about the WNBA playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Which we mentioned.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Start September twenty second, Carrie, former all pro, a starter
from day one in the NFL, chose to watch Caitlin
Clark in the playoffs over six of the seven early
window games in Week three of that NFL season. So
on September twenty second, when it's Week three, we went
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through the entire schedule and of the early window, the
one o'clock Eastern time games, Carrie Rhodes chose to watch
Caitlin Clark in the playoffs as a.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Post to the NFL action.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Come on, do you believe?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I don't know? It was surprising.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Do you understand?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I thought tex sans Vikings, he was completely down with
watching football. He said, No, that wasn't the case. Bears
Colts was the only game that he ended up saying
that he would watch over Caitlyn Clark in the playoffs.
The late window a little different because you have Ravens, Cowboys, Niners, Rams, Dolphins, Seahawks, Heck, Lions, Arizona.
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Good open window, but that playoff weekend and it'll be
interesting to see where the WNBA puts.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Caitlyn Clark stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And she is synonymous, synonymous with sports really really of course,
having been a reporter for ESPN for years, she's covered
the NFL, college football, men's college basketball, women's college basketball,
the WNBA. She's also covered the Jazz for the Jazz
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Local TV network. She does it all. She's Haldy Row
Okay back and of course she's here to talk about
College Color Days, which is back for its twentieth anniversary. Holly,
how are you?
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I am so great?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
How are you? I'm good? I'm good. I'm a busian
one armed paper hanger. As are you? College Color Days?
And I know that Fanatics is offering twenty five percent
on all orders with the code c c D twenty
four on Friday, August thirtieth. What was it?
Speaker 9 (18:21):
Just you?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Where your college colors? Is that as simple as it is?
Speaker 9 (18:24):
Yeah, it's really cool. So College Colors Day is the
day before kind of college football kicks off for real,
So it's August thirtieth. They've been doing this for twenty years,
and they're just kind of like telling everybody out there, like, hey,
go to work, be and your you know, I'm I'm
sitting here in my Utah year or you would go
in your Oklahoma state year. It's like, today's the day
where you tell everybody, here's who I'm going to be
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cheering for. I'll see the long this is the tribe
I belong to you, and this is who I'm rolling with.
So it's kind of a fun way to get people
psyched for the season.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's interesting because there's very much a like that's the
difference between the Midwest, the South and like and most
of the coastal states is you know, Northeast where you
and I have spent a lot of time, or even
in LA. Like, if you're in the Midwest and you
get on an airplane and you're going out for night,
it's very very normal to throw on your college gear
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and it's not inappropriate at all, Whereas if you're in LA,
you're in New York and you throw on your Alabama
you know, pullover or you a hoodie, like people like
are you going to a game, what's going on. It's
very interesting in terms of the regional kind of a
dress code, if you will.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Yeah, I think particularly in SEC country, it's like your
daily outfit really, like you might be in some takis
and an auburn shirt every day of your life if
you live in the South. But it's so cute because like,
I've been traveling this summer all over the world. I
got back from the Paris Olympics, and it's so crazy
to me. I'll be like on the top of a
wall in do Brovnik on a medieval city and there's
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people rocking their Iowa gear or their auburn gear or
their la us you gear, and it's just like I
love it because we just kind of proclaim, like, Hi,
this is who I belong to you. So it's cool.
I have met so many people all around the world,
like just be in the middle of nowhere and they'll
be like, oh, hi are you Hollewen. We're Georgia fans
and You're like, oh my gosh, I can immediately connect
with you. So it's really fun.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, I can understand that you are synonymous, especially with
college athletics. I am interested in your perspective because I
have one and maybe I can share it with with
with the audience. But yours is because you've traveled to
so many different schools, so many different schools. How different
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are the PAC twelve schools that are joining the Big
Ten From your.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Perspective, Well, it's really kind of exciting. So when it
first all happened, I think I was like a lot
of traditionalists where I was like mourning the PAC twelve
and like what would this mean? And then two days
ago I went out to USC because my first one
of my first games LSU USC opening weekend. So I
go out and I walk into the LA Coliseum and
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you see signs, you know, billboards, these big electronic billboards
going around campus that says this is Big ten country now,
And I just kind of thought, like, oh, this is
going to be kind of crazy cool where all of
a sudden, Michigan is playing in the Coliseum or Oregon
is playing at the Big House, you know, like UCLA
is going to be playing at Ohio Stadium, and it's
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just like there's going to be these new matchups and
new normal matchups that we used to only ever get
in post sedions. I just went to Archie Griffin's statue
unveiling at the Rose Bowl yesterday, and it was so
cool because they're talking about you know, USC or UCLA.
This is their home football stadium, and now they're going
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to be swinging in you know, Iowa, Ohio State, you know,
all these schools that would never have played out there
unless it was the Rose Bowls, and it's just going
to be like a regular season college football team. So
I think on the one hand, we mourn a little
bit of the lots of tradition and the lots of
what we've known. But then my brain, I don't know why,
just since weekend kind of seeing it in person out
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in La, I was like, dang, We're going to get
some whole new matchups, and I think it's going to
be really exciting for fans.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It will be, and I think the initial excitement, I
agree with you, like the Rose Bowl will be probably full.
You know, the question is for UCLA, are they going
to be like the Chargers where they're you know, they're
a road team in their own own home stadium. What
about Oklahoma? I mean, that's a school you've covered a
ton obviously, they've been incredibly successful in the Big twelve.
My argument would be, like they were special and unique
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and dominant in the Big twelve football wise, and second
in terms of money spent, and they're really resonated as
the dominant team in the league. Now they're just an
SEC team that I think lacks the same unique appeal.
But again, I could be wrong. You've experienced Oklahoma football
far more up close and far more often than I have.
What's your opinion of of how they'll navigate the waters
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of the SEC?
Speaker 9 (23:04):
Yeah, I think I disagree with you from this standpoint. Oklahoma.
Like I went down and visited Oklahoma. They had a
new kind of in zone facility, and they have all
these statues out and all these trophies out, and the
line of statues of their Heisman Trophy winner goes down
like an entire street. And I just think that Oklahoma
is probably one of the top two, maybe top four
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brands in all of college sports. You know, their football
program was when we were growing up, Oklahoma football was it.
Like Barry Switzer was my idol growing up, one of
the most important people that I loved and was obsessed
with as a kid. I just think Oklahoma is a
big brand, and I don't think they'll get swallowed up
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by the SEC because if you look at the SEC,
other than Alabama and maybe Georgia, they're just as big
a brand as anybody else in that league. So I
think that they maybe are going to take some time.
I think from a recruiting standpoint, they've got to get
bigure up. For my ownly criticism would be their offensive
and defensive lines have to be bigger, have to be deeper,
and have to be more dominant for them to really
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succeed in the SEC. But I think as far as
interest and name brand, they've already got it and they're
going to be exciting. And trust me, Alabama fans, Georgia fans,
LSU fans are going to love going to Norman because
their game day is a special atmosphere and it's going
to be a new, unique game day atmosphere that SEC
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fans have not been used to.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Holy Road joining us ahed, I'm sorry, go ahead, I just.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Say it'll be different than what they've experienced.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Holly Road joining us here on the Doug Outlive show
on Fox Sports Trading behalf of Fanatics. They're offering twenty
five percent off on all orders for the Code C
c D twenty four on Friday, August thirty, that's the
day before college football kicks off. It's also the twentieth
anniversary of College Colors Days. You mentioned Utah, and of
course Utah and Colorado Colorado going back to what was
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the Big eight now Big twelve, and of course the
Big twelve has expanded. Utah has all the substance, Colorado
has all the style. What do you think their entrance
into the Big twelve will be?
Speaker 9 (25:13):
Like, I think number one, Utah has been really successful
in the Pac twelve. I think they surprised a lot
of people the last couple of years. You know, they
went back to back Pack twelve championships, went to back
to back Rose Bowls. I don't know that a lot
of people would have had that on their bingo card
when Utah joined the Pac twelve. So now they get
into the Big twelve and I'm like, I think Utah
can be dominant. I really think what Kyle Whittingham's built there,
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the guys that they have coming back, I mean Cam
Rising is like twenty seven thousand years old or something.
You know, it's crazy, but he's going to be what
the most experienced quarterback in college football, So I think
that they're going to make noise when they come in.
I do think Colorado will be improved. They had to
get better upfront. They have a special quarterback. I think
that they can be special if they get the protection
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that they need up front, because Standards is the real
deal at quarterback, and they've got some special players around him.
So you know, it takes time. I think you know this.
It always takes time to build depth and experience in
the trenches. And now that you can kind of go
out and pay guys to come in and get better quickly,
I think that Colorado will do that.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Holly, you are the best. I really appreciate joining us.
We look forward to seeing your big old smile all
across the college landscape. You just you bring joy, you
bring information, You're obviously excellent interviews. It's an honor to
catch up with you. Thanks so much for joining us
on behalf of Fanatics.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
You too, I miss seeing you all the time in
our Big twelve basketball country, but good to talk to
you here.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Thank you. You're welcome. Holly Holloro joining us on the
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(27:00):
can attest to that. I mean during your time. You know,
you've been back and forth to Wisconsin several times. You're
a huge obviously Ohio State fan. You know, like when
you go to the Midwest, like it's almost you're almost
dressing poorly if you're not repping your school on a
plane or at a barbecue. Whereas if you're out in
La like unless you're like an SC guy and only
SC guys only wear SC stuff when they're doing well
(27:22):
outside that you're like, why are you? Why are you
wearing your college stuff?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
It's actually one of my favorite things at airports is
when you're walking past all these terminals and you see
all these flights going to different spots. You see a
lot of different team gear, both college and pro as well.
But it's it's always unique to see on who is
who is repping' what? Like I even remember you brought
up Wyoming a little bit earlier and seeing a flight
(27:47):
that went to Laramie and just seeing about you know,
three or four Wyoming sweatshirts. If you're headed to Wisconsin,
you're maybe going to see some badger stage, You're going
to see some packer stuff and goal first you're going
to see well, not to Wisconsin, but there's.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Some there's some golfers that live that live close there. Right,
there's some ex patriots. There's one Ohio State fan you
that live in from Wisconsin. Yeah, so you'll feel some
you'll see some buck stuff as well. I think that
the college stuff you see more college, you see more
visor and polo or as pro as the jersey. Right
that that that's the distinction. You will see college jerseys,
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but by and large, like you're going to a tailgate, right,
you come back from a game or you're just traveling around,
like very normal if you're from Oklahoma to wear an
OU shirt or an OSU shirt whatever, just like on
a daily basis, whereas it's not normal in Los Angeles. Sure,
it's not normal in New York. It's a very big distinction.
And then in pro towns, right, you wear the pro jersey,
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but you only wear that like if you're going to
the game, I.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Will say I'm always envious of the ivy leaguers that
kind of like Harvard Law, you know, like like that
is that is the ultimate flex.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That is a flex. Do you know how you know
somebody went to Harvard or somebody goes to Harvard, Yeah,
I tell you, or they're wearing it or they're wearing
it again, like can't blame them. On the other hand,
you're like, yeah, did you to HAVD.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Did you know? It's such a It's such a flex.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It is such a flex. It is such a flex.
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Speaker 5 (29:53):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Dan Byer, what's the game today?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Doug the game on this Monday is big deal, little deal,
no deal, big deal, little deal or no deal. That
Giants quarterback Daniel Jones threw two interceptions won for a
pick six in the preseason game against the Texans.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
M I think it's a big deal only in that
Daniel Jones is coming off a disappointing season and there's
no Saquon Barkley, and you know his rookie year. He
got the nickname Danny Dimes from his play in the preseason.
So like, look, if you're solidly entrenched as the starting
quarterback for a team, he throw a cup picks, you
(30:41):
have a bad day, Like, eh, you know Aaron Rodgers today,
I guess was eleven of twenty eight at camp is bad.
But he's Aaron Rodgers, so people will give a pass.
Daniel Jones does not get any pass. It makes it
a bigger deal.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I downloaded.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I pre ordered the Ian O'Connor book, By the Way
audio book. There's no way I'm gonna be able to
read it, but in the car, I'm ready for this
book to come out.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Curious to see what this whole deal's about. Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal that Caleb
Williams had a rushing touchdown for the Bears in their
preseason game against the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's a big deal only in that if you watch
him play, there's only one guy he reminds you of.
Who would that be.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Maybe two? I feel like he's It's like he patterned himself.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
After Rogers, after Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah. Now Jordan Love has a little bit of that too,
not nearly the running whatever, but some of the ways
in which he carries himself, some of the ways which
he throws, like, there's a little Aaron Rodgers to it.
But I feel like, you know, they're the same size wise.
I feel like he's he's mor a Ion Rodgers. I
could be wrong. Pat Mahomes is actually what I didn't
think of, but yeah, those are That's that's how he looks.
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He looks like one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
We've got some more rookie quarterback questions.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Williams, by the way, did not slide got into the
end zone on his feet. Jane Daniels put a scare
into some of the Commander coaches by in one of
his rushes against the Dolphins This past weekend, big deal,
little dealer, no deal, Doug that Jayden Daniels is now
the week one starter for the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'm gonna say, no, big deal, Let's do no deal.
Just because he was taken highly. Everyone's known, he's the savior.
Don't you don't get to that position. They're so a
quarterback need. It's not surprising at all.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Big deal, little dealer, no deal that Michael Pennocks Junior
is not going to appear in two of the falcons
three preseason games, did not play this last weekend, and
is not going to play in their finale, according to
the head coach Rickie Morris, who says that Pennix has
showed the team enough.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Is that a big deal? Little dealer? No deal?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Is it a big deal? Right for backup quarterback? Don't
you need the reps?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yes? I think it's huge deal.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, that's why I said big You're right, it's a
huge deal was offered. I would have drinken that as well.
It doesn't. It's one of those like wait, are they
going to start him over Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I do think that there's a Cousin's angle, but I
think it's the opposite. I think that they don't want
Pennix to show out for fear of the you know,
the the fans, yeah, and the fans wanting to see
Michael Pennock junior. I think this temper's expectations. They already
have a veteran backup in Taylor Heineke on their team,
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so if Cousins is slow in terms of coming back
from his Achilles injury, you've.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Got that veteran there.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But I actually think that they're putting the pause button
on the Michael Pennick Junior hype train.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It's a weird way to do it, though I.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Know it's the whole situation is weird.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Situations weird.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And again, like Kirk Cousins was like the first free agent, basically,
it felt like that's sign like we had heard that
there was already a deal in place. The NFL investigated
whether they tampered with Kirk Cousins in free agency. If
they did it too early yet then you have Michael
Pennix Junior and you drafted a month and a half later.
(34:14):
It's just even now on August nineteenth, it's still weird.
And I think that decision is very weird. Yeah, big Deal,
Little dealer, No Deal Doug that eighteen of the twenty
seven first team preseason All Americans were either from the
SEC or the Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh that's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Again, shows you the power in the college football.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah. I mean, like some of it is a self
fulfilling prophecy, right where you'd say they're the best and
that they go the best and they're always the best.
But the reality is, you know, and I don't love
to do it with the NFL Draft, but it's hard
to argue against the NFL Draft in terms of there's
just such a gigantic number of the best athletes to
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go to the NFL Draft from those two leagues. It's
kind of silly to rank somebody otherwise they're just haves
and the have nots.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, absolutely, there's eighteen. As I mentioned, ten were from
the SEC, eight were from the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Big deal, Little deal or No deal.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Doug that Colt McCoy's retiring from football and will now
work as an analyst for NBC Sports.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Feels like a big deal, but it's also one of
those ones where it's kind of weird, right, Like Colt
McCoy is synonymous with Texas football, Texas going the SEC.
It's gonna work for NBC that they don't have the
Big twelve, do they?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
No, they got Big ten.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, that one's weird, Don't get me wrong. Colt McCoy
was an awesome quarterback, awesome story, but he's Texas right.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I think last time Texas played for National championship, he
was the starting quarterback and then he got that dead
arm in the first quarter, you know, right around the
goal line. And they were never the same. But like, yeah,
the fact that he's not on the network that has
Texas is weird.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Filling in for Vince Young, that was not an easy
thing to do, taking over for him after they won
the National championship. And granted they didn't get a Natty
with Colt McCoy there, but he did. He sure had
a good career at Texas, that's for sure. And that
is Oh, by the way, justin Herbert practicing with the
Chargers today. Just saw that on social media. Doug nice,
(36:20):
So good news for the Bolts there. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
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it's a Monday, and every Monday what we do is
we kind of recalibrate by going through things that we
loved and things that we hated. Right, So it's a
long weekend. There's a lot of baseball. Hey, there's some
events that I got a chance to attend. There's obviously
(36:51):
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if you're into that sort of thing, maybe the NBA
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You know what week it is. It's the week before
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(00:44):
college football. Right, it's week zero, which is super which
is super we weird because it's actually week one. Right.
It's like preboarding a plane. You want to get on
a plane. Before you board a plane, how do you
how does that all work? Not really sure? Doesn't really
matter that this is a game week. This is I
think it's gonna be a really good show. By the way,
(01:05):
we'll talk some Caitlin Clark Holly row will join us
here in about twenty five minutes. Gets you ready for
the college football season. And boy, there is one name
as a rookie starting quarterback there. Everybody's just trying to
convince us is better than the rest. I'll see. I'll
tell you why I need some convincing coming up next,
but let's start with this. Speaking of quarterbacks, you know,
(01:28):
a couple of years ago, Brian Flores was fired by
the Miami Dolphins, and it was during a time in
which there were other minority candidates for head coaching jobs
in the NFL, and there were a paucity of black
head coaches, and many people said that Flora's being fired
and oh yeah, oh, by the way, Flora's being told
(01:52):
by Bill Belichick, who was getting the Giants job before
he ever interviewed for the Giants job, was seen as
some sort of racism. And at the time I tried
to inform people how comical and ludicrous those assertions were,
mostly because if you knew who he was working for
in Miami, his entire front office is black. And if
(02:17):
you read the reports and talk to people and understood
that he came from the Belichick tree, you knew how
all this thing was kind of sort of going down.
Then you're like, okay, well, why didn't he get a
shot with the New York Giants. You know they already
picked the white coach. They brought him in. No, no, no,
that's not how it works. And this is where I
can give although it's only the last three months, I
(02:40):
can give you the reality of how it works in coaching.
The reality is that when Wyoming came open, everyone and
their brother, myself included, knew that Sundance Wicks, who preceded
me at Green Bay, would be the next head coach there.
So it didn't matter who they inter and who they
talked to. Sundances from Wyoming came on the staff and
(03:04):
had been a head coach previous to Green Bay and
was a head coach at Green Bay and turned him
from four wins to eighteen wins. It was an absolute
no brainer, right. And if you look at the New
York Giants, John Marra is really close to Bill Belichick.
Bill Belichick didn't tell him not to interview for the job.
(03:26):
He just told him who was ultimately going to get
the job. Why, Because the Bills were the offense and
the change in Josh Allen was so apparent that you
wanted that offensive coordinator be your guy. Right, you had
you want to draft a new quarterback, you had to
have a new system. The quarterback whisper, that's who you're
(03:47):
gonna pick. As opposed to Brian Flores, who had major
trouble a new offensive coordinator every year, couldn't get along
with the offensive coordinators apparently couldn't get out along with
the front office. And then he clearly did not think
that to a tongue of Ioloa was good enough. But
because Brian Flores sued the league for discrimination, and because
(04:09):
Brian Flores hasn't gotten a job since despite the fact
he was an outstanding defensive coordinator going back to his
time short time with the Newton Patriots, there was this
overall sense of, well, he got fired because of racism.
To a tongue of Iolawa is Hawaiian. He is of
Polynesian descent, and I only tell you that because you
(04:32):
know that. But remember, you have an all black front office.
You have a Polynesian quarterback who was selected number four
in the draft. Some people believe that the Miami Dolphins
wanted to lose games to make sure they got to
a tongue of ioloa and oh yeah. By the way,
Brian Flores has echoed that I think everybody knew that
to be the case. But if you want to know
(04:53):
why he lost the job, take a listen to Tua
and what he said to Dan LeBatard.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
To put it in simplest term, if you woke up
every morning and I told you you suck at what
you did, that you don't belong doing what you do,
that you shouldn't be here, that this guy should be here,
that you haven't earned this right, and then you have
(05:19):
somebody else come in and tell you, dude, you are
the best fit for this, like you are accurate, you
are the best whatever you are, this you are that.
Like how would it make you feel listening to one
or the other? You see what I'm saying, and then
you hear it. You hear it regardless of what it is,
the good or the bad, and you hear it more
(05:39):
and more. You start to actually believe that, I don't
care who you are, you can be the president of
the United States. You have a terrible person that's telling
you things that you don't want to hear, or that
you probably shouldn't be hearing you're going to talk to
believe that about yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Remember what he said, And again I do believe that
he was just going and ranting, but he said a
terrible person. That's how he described Brian Flores, and that
he killed his confidence. And look, when your coaching confidence
is actually job number one, it's a really hard thing.
(06:20):
And players today are different than players of if you're
in your forties or older our era, right the old
break them down, build them back up. But in professional
sports it's almost unheard of, with the exception of the Patriots.
And therein lies the problem with so many former Patriots assistants,
(06:42):
so many of them where they walk in and they
carry themselves as if they're Bill Belichick, as if they're
Bill Belichick, not understanding that Bill Belichick had earned that
respect over twenty plus years of success and had just
the right player in a Tom Brady, to coaching just
the right way. He was toughest on Tom Brady, but
(07:05):
Tom Brady could take it. And oh yeah, by the way,
tom Brady was always already accomplished, so too is Bill Belichick.
So so many of these guys have gone down and
done their Belichick impression. And he doesn't work. Then you
factor in that you have a completely different generation of
player and you have a really smart player in a
(07:27):
TUA who When you're smart, you can also be sensitive
to where you listen to guys. When a guy says
you suck, they turn to go really, whereas hardcourt dudes
say you suck and they say, I'm gonna prove to
you don't know what you're talking about. You have to
know him, the mentality of each player, at the confidence
level of each player. I'll give you an example. When
I played in college, my backcourt mate this guy named
(07:50):
Joe Atkins. Okay, you could tell Joe whatever you wanted.
You could take him out, you could yell at him,
you could tell me he didn't know what a good
chot was. When Joe got back of the game and
he's felt any sort of light that ball was going up,
he had unmistakable, undeniable self confidence. I did not did not,
(08:12):
And you know, if you go back and you watch
my college I'm like, why did you shoot me your
one up? Because I was scared to get taken out
of the game. And you can't ultimately succeed that way,
but in the short term you try and be a pleaser,
you try and please your coach. Tuua, he starts, smart dude,
he starts to question himself. Maybe I do suck, Maybe
I'm not good enough, maybe I should have imposter syndrome.
(08:35):
The point is that your ability to maintain the respect
of your quarterback, to get the best out of him,
to coach him hard but fair, that is usually what
determines your success in the National Football League. And for
anyone who said Brian Flores was fired or hasn't gotten
(08:56):
any of these jobs because of the color of his skin,
that simply means they haven't called Miami because this is
what they have told everybody without saying it on camera.
Another front office has killed Brian Flores, and Tua only
did because of the juxtaposition of Mike McDaniel now with
how he was coached previously and what works for him.
(09:19):
But there's so much here in that story, right. It's
the truth about Flores. It's why those Belichick guys haven't succeeded.
It's why Mike McDaniels is succeeding. It's the new age
of player and how they have to be coached, and
it's confidence, which is just as important as conditioning, and
as culture. Those are the three big seas if you
(09:40):
want to win in sports, If you destroy somebody's confidence,
you're destroying their game and the break them down. Building
back up that era is gone. It takes a really
special kid, a really special person to accept that level
of criticism, and you don't have the time to build
(10:01):
him back up like you used to back when kids
would go to college for four and five years. But
good for Tua, tough for Flores. Good luck getting a
head coaching job now when you were called a terrible
person by two I Tako Bilow, Yeah, Dann Buyer, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know the only thing about this that just strikes
me as odd as the timing of it. And usually
when you get the last laugh or the maybe you
win a super Bowl and then a lot of stuff
comes out afterwards because you've proved everyone wrong. I get
this sense, and I'm curious in what you think. Does
he say it now because he got the contract?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You know, like, but then you wonder, all right, what
are the goals?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Was it winning the Super Bowl? Was that what he
was going to come out? Was it getting paid? When
was this actually going to was it? When he retired,
and now we found out that it comes out after
he gets the big contract, where he feel like he's
now been validated.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And I find it interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And maybe because of the glowing remarks that he made
about Mike McDaniel and what they've got going on in Miami,
he felt that them giving him the contract is another
reason to to show a positive light on that crew.
But I just find it interesting that it's he does
this after he gets the contract, and maybe not winning
a Lombardi or winning an MVP or something like that.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, No, he definitely did the how you like me now?
And I mean that one is a that's a heavy
weight around the neck of Brian Flores. But I would
also commend to on waiting to just the right way
and and and selling it at just the right I mean,
giving us I think way more in terms of honesty
(11:47):
than anybody else would have in regards to what really
went down, you know, because a lot of times when
you have something negative, say be like, you know, there's
some things that went on I disagree with some ways
that like no, no, he said he's a terrible person.
He told me I sucked it. Everything he told me.
I didn't belong here and it started to wear on me.
I agree with you. The timing is like, oh, because
(12:10):
you got the contract. But I do think he's given
us context everything on why he believes he's been so
successful recently as opposed to why it was so off
early on. It's a very fair point. You make, very
fair point.
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buying should be so Caitlin Clark helped the Indiana Fever
get another win last night, ninety two seventy five over
(13:19):
the Seattle Storms. She break broke the WNBA single season
Ricky mark for assists. She's averaging eight point three per game.
Tisha Pinchero was the previous record holder with two twenty four.
She had nine for two thirty two. I believe they're
playing more games now, so whatever, but she did break
it early in the season. Remember they beat the Phoenix
(13:41):
Mercury ninety eight eighty nine in Indy. Clark had twenty
nine in that game. She also had ten assists and
five rebounds. She was asked about a technical foul she
got during the game. Seattle player juwel Lloyd was asked,
We'll get to that. Her response in a second, but
here here's Kaitlyn Clark when asked about that technical foul.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I got a technical for basically being mad at myself
because I missed the three and then I went and
hit the backboard, and he told me it was disrespectful
to the game of basketball.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
So I don't know. It reminded me of the technical.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
That I got in college where I said damn it,
where it's like a personal frustration.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Had nothing to do with the refie, had nothing to
do with other team.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
It was just because I'm a competitor and I felt
like I should have been making more shots. But I
think he fired me up to continue to play a
lot harder.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I thought we got a lot better. I we did that,
so I want to thank him for that.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
But overall, I thought once we got to that media
time out around five minutes in the third quarter, I thought.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
We all kind of just took a breath.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
It was a little chaos there for two and a
half minutes, and I think I could have done a
better job of kind of regaining my cool. But that's
like the fire passion that just gets me going. It's
just finding a way to channel that and use that.
I thought I did a really good job of that.
At the the third and the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Here's Skyler Diggins kind of bumped shoulders with her and
there's some kerfuffle between the coaches. Here's Juel Lloyd, who
plays for Seattle Storm. She was asked what she thinks
about the impact Caitlin Clark has had on the WNBA's rookie.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
I'm going to talk about our rookiees Nika has been great,
She's been awesome putting her work in. I think our
Jordan has been phenomenal to her second year of her growth.
You know, our focus is our our team on and
what we need to do as a community to be better.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I just the level of pettiness in the women's game
is surprising to most people, not surprising to me. I
told people this a long time ago, Like the number
one thing holding women back and broadcasting is other women.
They just they just cattiness and pettiness. And the number
one thing holding back the w NBA this season is
cattiness and pettiness. Cattiness and pettiness. I mean, it's just
(15:39):
comical how they like. I don't want to talk about her,
so I'm going to talk about her own rookies. Okay,
just okay. The crowds are massive, she's playing incredibly well.
It costs nothing to give somebody a compliment and to go, hey,
(16:02):
the Kaitlin Clark thing is awesome, and we want to
take all that popularity and have people learn about our rookies.
They just can't do it, can't do it. We had
to holly row in a second. First, let's get to
a Dan byer get a quick update and everything going
on sports?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Anybody got you know, I will say the conversation that
we had Friday about the NFL and Kitlyn Clark a spurret,
a topic I did on my show yesterday with Carrie
Rhodes in talking about the WNBA playoffs.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Which we mentioned.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Start September twenty second, Carrie, former all pro, a starter
from day one in the NFL, chose to watch Caitlin
Clark in the playoffs over six of the seven early
window games in Week three of that NFL season. So
on September twenty second, when it's Week three, we went
(16:50):
through the entire schedule and of the early window, the
one o'clock Eastern time games, Carrie Rhodes chose to watch
Caitlin Clark in the playoffs as a.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Post to the NFL action.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Come on, do you believe?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I don't know? It was surprising.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Do you understand?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I thought tex sans Vikings, he was completely down with
watching football. He said, No, that wasn't the case. Bears
Colts was the only game that he ended up saying
that he would watch over Caitlyn Clark in the playoffs.
The late window a little different because you have Ravens, Cowboys, Niners, Rams, Dolphins, Seahawks, Heck, Lions, Arizona.
(17:26):
Good open window, but that playoff weekend and it'll be
interesting to see where the WNBA puts.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Caitlyn Clark stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And she is synonymous, synonymous with sports really really of course,
having been a reporter for ESPN for years, she's covered
the NFL, college football, men's college basketball, women's college basketball,
the WNBA. She's also covered the Jazz for the Jazz
(17:53):
Local TV network. She does it all. She's Haldy Row
Okay back and of course she's here to talk about
College Color Days, which is back for its twentieth anniversary. Holly,
how are you?
Speaker 5 (18:05):
I am so great?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
How are you? I'm good? I'm good. I'm a busian
one armed paper hanger. As are you? College Color Days?
And I know that Fanatics is offering twenty five percent
on all orders with the code c c D twenty
four on Friday, August thirtieth. What was it?
Speaker 9 (18:21):
Just you?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Where your college colors? Is that as simple as it is?
Speaker 9 (18:24):
Yeah, it's really cool. So College Colors Day is the
day before kind of college football kicks off for real,
So it's August thirtieth. They've been doing this for twenty years,
and they're just kind of like telling everybody out there, like, hey,
go to work, be and your you know, I'm I'm
sitting here in my Utah year or you would go
in your Oklahoma state year. It's like, today's the day
where you tell everybody, here's who I'm going to be
(18:45):
cheering for. I'll see the long this is the tribe
I belong to you, and this is who I'm rolling with.
So it's kind of a fun way to get people
psyched for the season.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's interesting because there's very much a like that's the
difference between the Midwest, the South and like and most
of the coastal states is you know, Northeast where you
and I have spent a lot of time, or even
in LA. Like, if you're in the Midwest and you
get on an airplane and you're going out for night,
it's very very normal to throw on your college gear
(19:16):
and it's not inappropriate at all, Whereas if you're in LA,
you're in New York and you throw on your Alabama
you know, pullover or you a hoodie, like people like
are you going to a game, what's going on. It's
very interesting in terms of the regional kind of a
dress code, if you will.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Yeah, I think particularly in SEC country, it's like your
daily outfit really, like you might be in some takis
and an auburn shirt every day of your life if
you live in the South. But it's so cute because like,
I've been traveling this summer all over the world. I
got back from the Paris Olympics, and it's so crazy
to me. I'll be like on the top of a
wall in do Brovnik on a medieval city and there's
(19:56):
people rocking their Iowa gear or their auburn gear or
their la us you gear, and it's just like I
love it because we just kind of proclaim, like, Hi,
this is who I belong to you. So it's cool.
I have met so many people all around the world,
like just be in the middle of nowhere and they'll
be like, oh, hi are you Hollewen. We're Georgia fans
and You're like, oh my gosh, I can immediately connect
with you. So it's really fun.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, I can understand that you are synonymous, especially with
college athletics. I am interested in your perspective because I
have one and maybe I can share it with with
with the audience. But yours is because you've traveled to
so many different schools, so many different schools. How different
(20:40):
are the PAC twelve schools that are joining the Big
Ten From your.
Speaker 9 (20:43):
Perspective, Well, it's really kind of exciting. So when it
first all happened, I think I was like a lot
of traditionalists where I was like mourning the PAC twelve
and like what would this mean? And then two days
ago I went out to USC because my first one
of my first games LSU USC opening weekend. So I
go out and I walk into the LA Coliseum and
(21:06):
you see signs, you know, billboards, these big electronic billboards
going around campus that says this is Big ten country now,
And I just kind of thought, like, oh, this is
going to be kind of crazy cool where all of
a sudden, Michigan is playing in the Coliseum or Oregon
is playing at the Big House, you know, like UCLA
is going to be playing at Ohio Stadium, and it's
(21:29):
just like there's going to be these new matchups and
new normal matchups that we used to only ever get
in post sedions. I just went to Archie Griffin's statue
unveiling at the Rose Bowl yesterday, and it was so
cool because they're talking about you know, USC or UCLA.
This is their home football stadium, and now they're going
(21:50):
to be swinging in you know, Iowa, Ohio State, you know,
all these schools that would never have played out there
unless it was the Rose Bowls, and it's just going
to be like a regular season college football team. So
I think on the one hand, we mourn a little
bit of the lots of tradition and the lots of
what we've known. But then my brain, I don't know why,
just since weekend kind of seeing it in person out
(22:11):
in La, I was like, dang, We're going to get
some whole new matchups, and I think it's going to
be really exciting for fans.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It will be, and I think the initial excitement, I
agree with you, like the Rose Bowl will be probably full.
You know, the question is for UCLA, are they going
to be like the Chargers where they're you know, they're
a road team in their own own home stadium. What
about Oklahoma? I mean, that's a school you've covered a
ton obviously, they've been incredibly successful in the Big twelve.
My argument would be, like they were special and unique
(22:40):
and dominant in the Big twelve football wise, and second
in terms of money spent, and they're really resonated as
the dominant team in the league. Now they're just an
SEC team that I think lacks the same unique appeal.
But again, I could be wrong. You've experienced Oklahoma football
far more up close and far more often than I have.
What's your opinion of of how they'll navigate the waters
(23:02):
of the SEC?
Speaker 9 (23:04):
Yeah, I think I disagree with you from this standpoint. Oklahoma.
Like I went down and visited Oklahoma. They had a
new kind of in zone facility, and they have all
these statues out and all these trophies out, and the
line of statues of their Heisman Trophy winner goes down
like an entire street. And I just think that Oklahoma
is probably one of the top two, maybe top four
(23:27):
brands in all of college sports. You know, their football
program was when we were growing up, Oklahoma football was it.
Like Barry Switzer was my idol growing up, one of
the most important people that I loved and was obsessed
with as a kid. I just think Oklahoma is a
big brand, and I don't think they'll get swallowed up
(23:49):
by the SEC because if you look at the SEC,
other than Alabama and maybe Georgia, they're just as big
a brand as anybody else in that league. So I
think that they maybe are going to take some time.
I think from a recruiting standpoint, they've got to get
bigure up. For my ownly criticism would be their offensive
and defensive lines have to be bigger, have to be deeper,
and have to be more dominant for them to really
(24:10):
succeed in the SEC. But I think as far as
interest and name brand, they've already got it and they're
going to be exciting. And trust me, Alabama fans, Georgia fans,
LSU fans are going to love going to Norman because
their game day is a special atmosphere and it's going
to be a new, unique game day atmosphere that SEC
(24:32):
fans have not been used to.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Holy Road joining us ahed, I'm sorry, go ahead, I just.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Say it'll be different than what they've experienced.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Holly Road joining us here on the Doug Outlive show
on Fox Sports Trading behalf of Fanatics. They're offering twenty
five percent off on all orders for the Code C
c D twenty four on Friday, August thirty, that's the
day before college football kicks off. It's also the twentieth
anniversary of College Colors Days. You mentioned Utah, and of
course Utah and Colorado Colorado going back to what was
(25:03):
the Big eight now Big twelve, and of course the
Big twelve has expanded. Utah has all the substance, Colorado
has all the style. What do you think their entrance
into the Big twelve will be?
Speaker 9 (25:13):
Like, I think number one, Utah has been really successful
in the Pac twelve. I think they surprised a lot
of people the last couple of years. You know, they
went back to back Pack twelve championships, went to back
to back Rose Bowls. I don't know that a lot
of people would have had that on their bingo card
when Utah joined the Pac twelve. So now they get
into the Big twelve and I'm like, I think Utah
can be dominant. I really think what Kyle Whittingham's built there,
(25:36):
the guys that they have coming back, I mean Cam
Rising is like twenty seven thousand years old or something.
You know, it's crazy, but he's going to be what
the most experienced quarterback in college football, So I think
that they're going to make noise when they come in.
I do think Colorado will be improved. They had to
get better upfront. They have a special quarterback. I think
that they can be special if they get the protection
(25:59):
that they need up front, because Standards is the real
deal at quarterback, and they've got some special players around him.
So you know, it takes time. I think you know this.
It always takes time to build depth and experience in
the trenches. And now that you can kind of go
out and pay guys to come in and get better quickly,
I think that Colorado will do that.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Holly, you are the best. I really appreciate joining us.
We look forward to seeing your big old smile all
across the college landscape. You just you bring joy, you
bring information, You're obviously excellent interviews. It's an honor to
catch up with you. Thanks so much for joining us
on behalf of Fanatics.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
You too, I miss seeing you all the time in
our Big twelve basketball country, but good to talk to
you here.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Thank you. You're welcome. Holly Holloro joining us on the
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(27:00):
can attest to that. I mean during your time. You know,
you've been back and forth to Wisconsin several times. You're
a huge obviously Ohio State fan. You know, like when
you go to the Midwest, like it's almost you're almost
dressing poorly if you're not repping your school on a
plane or at a barbecue. Whereas if you're out in
La like unless you're like an SC guy and only
SC guys only wear SC stuff when they're doing well
(27:22):
outside that you're like, why are you? Why are you
wearing your college stuff?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
It's actually one of my favorite things at airports is
when you're walking past all these terminals and you see
all these flights going to different spots. You see a
lot of different team gear, both college and pro as well.
But it's it's always unique to see on who is
who is repping' what? Like I even remember you brought
up Wyoming a little bit earlier and seeing a flight
(27:47):
that went to Laramie and just seeing about you know,
three or four Wyoming sweatshirts. If you're headed to Wisconsin,
you're maybe going to see some badger stage, You're going
to see some packer stuff and goal first you're going
to see well, not to Wisconsin, but there's.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Some there's some golfers that live that live close there. Right,
there's some ex patriots. There's one Ohio State fan you
that live in from Wisconsin. Yeah, so you'll feel some
you'll see some buck stuff as well. I think that
the college stuff you see more college, you see more
visor and polo or as pro as the jersey. Right
that that that's the distinction. You will see college jerseys,
(28:23):
but by and large, like you're going to a tailgate, right,
you come back from a game or you're just traveling around,
like very normal if you're from Oklahoma to wear an
OU shirt or an OSU shirt whatever, just like on
a daily basis, whereas it's not normal in Los Angeles. Sure,
it's not normal in New York. It's a very big distinction.
And then in pro towns, right, you wear the pro jersey,
(28:43):
but you only wear that like if you're going to
the game, I.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Will say I'm always envious of the ivy leaguers that
kind of like Harvard Law, you know, like like that
is that is the ultimate flex.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That is a flex. Do you know how you know
somebody went to Harvard or somebody goes to Harvard, Yeah,
I tell you, or they're wearing it or they're wearing
it again, like can't blame them. On the other hand,
you're like, yeah, did you to HAVD.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Did you know? It's such a It's such a flex.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It is such a flex. It is such a flex.
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Speaker 5 (29:53):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Dan Byer, what's the game today?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Doug the game on this Monday is big deal, little deal,
no deal, big deal, little deal or no deal. That
Giants quarterback Daniel Jones threw two interceptions won for a
pick six in the preseason game against the Texans.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
M I think it's a big deal only in that
Daniel Jones is coming off a disappointing season and there's
no Saquon Barkley, and you know his rookie year. He
got the nickname Danny Dimes from his play in the preseason.
So like, look, if you're solidly entrenched as the starting
quarterback for a team, he throw a cup picks, you
(30:41):
have a bad day, Like, eh, you know Aaron Rodgers today,
I guess was eleven of twenty eight at camp is bad.
But he's Aaron Rodgers, so people will give a pass.
Daniel Jones does not get any pass. It makes it
a bigger deal.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I downloaded.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I pre ordered the Ian O'Connor book, By the Way
audio book. There's no way I'm gonna be able to
read it, but in the car, I'm ready for this
book to come out.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Curious to see what this whole deal's about. Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal that Caleb
Williams had a rushing touchdown for the Bears in their
preseason game against the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's a big deal only in that if you watch
him play, there's only one guy he reminds you of.
Who would that be.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Maybe two? I feel like he's It's like he patterned himself.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
After Rogers, after Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah. Now Jordan Love has a little bit of that too,
not nearly the running whatever, but some of the ways
in which he carries himself, some of the ways which
he throws, like, there's a little Aaron Rodgers to it.
But I feel like, you know, they're the same size wise.
I feel like he's he's mor a Ion Rodgers. I
could be wrong. Pat Mahomes is actually what I didn't
think of, but yeah, those are That's that's how he looks.
(31:59):
He looks like one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
We've got some more rookie quarterback questions.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Williams, by the way, did not slide got into the
end zone on his feet. Jane Daniels put a scare
into some of the Commander coaches by in one of
his rushes against the Dolphins This past weekend, big deal,
little dealer, no deal, Doug that Jayden Daniels is now
the week one starter for the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'm gonna say, no, big deal, Let's do no deal.
Just because he was taken highly. Everyone's known, he's the savior.
Don't you don't get to that position. They're so a
quarterback need. It's not surprising at all.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Big deal, little dealer, no deal that Michael Pennocks Junior
is not going to appear in two of the falcons
three preseason games, did not play this last weekend, and
is not going to play in their finale, according to
the head coach Rickie Morris, who says that Pennix has
showed the team enough.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Is that a big deal? Little dealer? No deal?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Is it a big deal? Right for backup quarterback? Don't
you need the reps?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yes? I think it's huge deal.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, that's why I said big You're right, it's a
huge deal was offered. I would have drinken that as well.
It doesn't. It's one of those like wait, are they
going to start him over Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I do think that there's a Cousin's angle, but I
think it's the opposite. I think that they don't want
Pennix to show out for fear of the you know,
the the fans, yeah, and the fans wanting to see
Michael Pennock junior. I think this temper's expectations. They already
have a veteran backup in Taylor Heineke on their team,
(33:32):
so if Cousins is slow in terms of coming back
from his Achilles injury, you've.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Got that veteran there.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But I actually think that they're putting the pause button
on the Michael Pennick Junior hype train.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It's a weird way to do it, though I.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Know it's the whole situation is weird.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Situations weird.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And again, like Kirk Cousins was like the first free agent, basically,
it felt like that's sign like we had heard that
there was already a deal in place. The NFL investigated
whether they tampered with Kirk Cousins in free agency. If
they did it too early yet then you have Michael
Pennix Junior and you drafted a month and a half later.
(34:14):
It's just even now on August nineteenth, it's still weird.
And I think that decision is very weird. Yeah, big Deal,
Little dealer, No Deal Doug that eighteen of the twenty
seven first team preseason All Americans were either from the
SEC or the Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Oh that's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Again, shows you the power in the college football.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah. I mean, like some of it is a self
fulfilling prophecy, right where you'd say they're the best and
that they go the best and they're always the best.
But the reality is, you know, and I don't love
to do it with the NFL Draft, but it's hard
to argue against the NFL Draft in terms of there's
just such a gigantic number of the best athletes to
(35:00):
go to the NFL Draft from those two leagues. It's
kind of silly to rank somebody otherwise they're just haves
and the have nots.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, absolutely, there's eighteen. As I mentioned, ten were from
the SEC, eight were from the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Big deal, Little deal or No deal.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Doug that Colt McCoy's retiring from football and will now
work as an analyst for NBC Sports.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Feels like a big deal, but it's also one of
those ones where it's kind of weird, right, Like Colt
McCoy is synonymous with Texas football, Texas going the SEC.
It's gonna work for NBC that they don't have the
Big twelve, do they?
Speaker 4 (35:35):
No, they got Big ten.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, that one's weird, Don't get me wrong. Colt McCoy
was an awesome quarterback, awesome story, but he's Texas right.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I think last time Texas played for National championship, he
was the starting quarterback and then he got that dead
arm in the first quarter, you know, right around the
goal line. And they were never the same. But like, yeah,
the fact that he's not on the network that has
Texas is weird.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Filling in for Vince Young, that was not an easy
thing to do, taking over for him after they won
the National championship. And granted they didn't get a Natty
with Colt McCoy there, but he did. He sure had
a good career at Texas, that's for sure. And that
is Oh, by the way, justin Herbert practicing with the
Chargers today. Just saw that on social media. Doug nice,
(36:20):
So good news for the Bolts there. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Show, Gottlep Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
it's a Monday, and every Monday what we do is
we kind of recalibrate by going through things that we
loved and things that we hated. Right, So it's a
long weekend. There's a lot of baseball. Hey, there's some
events that I got a chance to attend. There's obviously
(36:51):
some more college football talk, NFL preseason games, some WNBA
if you're into that sort of thing, maybe the NBA
talk what we love from the weekend, what we hated
from the weekend. Give us your thoughts as well at
gotlib Show, Twitter, at Gottlieb Show on Instagram. That's all
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(37:12):
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