August 21, 2024 • 40 mins
Doug welcomes writer for the Jacksonville Jaguars John Shipley onto the show to talk about how training camp is going for the Jags. Doug reacts to Noah Lyles comments on the Dan Patrick Show. Doug chooses among deserving candidates
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good stuff today. Hey, let's talk some Jacksonville Jaguars football.
John Shipley's our guest. He's a Jacks beat reporter for
Jacksonville Jaguars on SI dot com. He joins us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Foxsports Radio. Two years ago.
You had the great comeback against the Chargers, competitive game
against the Chiefs last year, I think it's safe to
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say disappointing season. What are local expectations for this Jacks team.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think local expectations are for the jag Wars to
at least push for a playoff spot, you know, to
look to attempt to get out of that nine and
eight rut that they've been in for the last two years.
But I also don't think many people locally are expecting
them to be a team that's going to, you know,
automatically overtake the Houston Texas and start posing a threat
to Kansas City Chiefs. So I thought locally, it really
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is that, you know, the Jaguars have to show it,
improve it first, because for as high as people were
on them locally entering last season, the way the end
of the season, you know, in that disappointing fashion, losing
five in their last six games, the only team they
beat was the worst team in the NFL by four,
in the Carolina Panthers. It was a really brutal endings
that year, and it kind of set the tone I
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think for a lot of expectations ending this year.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, well, I'm interested that the expectations are so low considering,
you know, Trevor Lawrence seen as kind of the pert
prospect and out gets this big contract and yet it
maybe it's the market and the understanding of where they
were going back three years ago, but it's weird. Most
guys who get those contracts have massive expectations. He've done him.
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How do Jaguars fans feel about their quarterback?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I absolutely do think the expectations for Trevor are higher
than for any other player. I think anybody that you
know locally has heessimism about, you know, the Jaguars. I'm
not sure anybody say the balls around Trevor. It revolves
is around things like you know, said the offensive line
or who's going to be a play caller or a
defensive line depth. Everybody, at least from my perspective, you know,
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seeses as the guy. Now, has he been a transcendent
generational quarterback who's bolted into the top three, you know,
talk right out of the gate. You know, he hasn't been.
There's been you know, ups and downs. He has struggled
with turnovers at times, obviously had a nightmarish rookie season
under Irban May. But he's shown the ability that you know,
he and basically take the Jaguars as far as they
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need to on his shoulders, winning nine games in each
of the last two seasons. It's not where any franchise
that has big aspirations want to be. But you know,
look at some of the quarterbacks before him, and it's
clear that he just takes them further than you know,
they've really been before, and the team really rides and
you know, the waves that you know, whatever he does.
So that's the biggest thing with him is he has
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to remain consistent and obviously he doesn't have the numbers
that reflect that contract he got yet. But it's also
you know, if you're Jacksonville, you don't have a question
that Trevor is your franchise guy. And even if he
hasn't met every single expectation, he's a better option than
anything else. You know, they would go out there and
find I think a lot of teams would like to
have Trevor Lawrence at the at the quarterback position. I
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think people are expecting a big year out of Trevor.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, what's the most intriguing position battle? As we could
closer and closer to them cut into fifty three.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, you know, there's there's a lot of interesting battles
moving forward. I think you know, you look at the
offensive line. You know, left tackle Cam Robinson versus left
tackle Walker Little. Walker Little was the second round pick
in twenty twenty one, A former pretty much all world
recruit coming out of high school. It probably would have
been the first round pick if not for injuries of Stanford,
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and he's played well when he's played for Jacksonville. But
Cam Robinson's also the most expensive offensive lineman and that's
been the biggest thing keeping him off the field against suttle.
They've been in a battle throughout training camp. I think
Robinson's going to start week one, but that's definitely the
biggest battle I think. You know, moving forward between you know,
you look at either side of the ball starters.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
New defense coordinated Ryan Nielsen, how is this defense going
to be different?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think you're going to see differences and first, like
the structure. You know, former defensive coordinator Mike Caldwell randoms
traditional three to four a lot of times. You know,
he tried to put three big bodies on the line
and then he would stand up Josh Allen and Trayvon
Walker on the edges. You get a five man front.
You've seen a lot more foreman front soan Neil so
I wouldn't exactly call it a four to three, but
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there's more four to three elements. Jayvon Walker has his
hand and dirt more. You know, they're expecting the front
four to be able to get there more instead of
rushing with five, bringing extra flip coverages. And you're also
seeing a lot more press coverage from the Jaguars corners.
You know, I've been playing a very aggressive style of
defense and it took the Jaguars offense a little bit
training camp to really get adjusted to it. Because Mike
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Caldwell scheme has a lot of off coverage reading the
quarterback's eyes. You know, there would be some windows pretty quickly,
whereas in this scheme, you know, the windows were a
lot tighter and they were closing quicker, and you could
tell the offense, you know, how to get used to it.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Five of the first seven are on the road, and look,
you open up with the Dolphins, who usually the heat
affects their opponent game one of the season. Don't know
how much it has an effect on Jacksonville. Obviously it's
it's plenty hot in Jacksonville, though you're right there in
the sun at hard Rock Stadium, is it? I mean,
lame to say, but pretty obvious that how they start
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is really going to affect what it looks like in totality.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh absolutely. I mean you just look at their September
and their first four games all against playoff games. Miami
on the road, Houston on the Houston on the road,
I believe, buff Well on the road in the Cleveland Browns.
I mean that's you know, the brutal for you know,
four game stretch. It's a real chance that could be
one and three coming out of that. I think if
you're two and two coming out that first month, you
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feel them decent if you know Jaguars, but it's definitely
a scenario where you know that first month could really
dictate their season and how things are going because their
schedule gets easier in the second half, especially as they
start into division play, but that first month they played
some really good teams.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's a little bit of bad luck, right,
Like the only divisional opponent you play in that first
month is Houston. They just haven't be the pick to
win the Division one division last year, and you play
them on the road, you know, before you get Indy
and even Chicago back to back games five in game six,
where you have young quarterbacks you feel like you have
might have a better chance on Yeah, it's it's always interesting,
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like we do these factoring in schedules and based upon
rerecords last year in perspective this year, but sometimes it
comes down to how you start, because teams can lose
confidence and you get beat up by those better teams
thereundred percent.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think the Jaguars are a great example. They started
out eight and three last year when they entered that
week twelve Monday night football game with the Bengals, you know,
they had a legitimate chance to you know, get into
the jockeying for the number one seed in the AFC,
and then as a result of injuries the guys like
you know, Christian Kirk, Cam Robinson, Ezra Cleveland, Trevor Lawrence.
Of course, you know, they ended up losing five to
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the last six. And it was kind of the opposite
way in twenty twenty two where they started off pretty
pretty slow, had them bumps here and there, and then
they ended hot. So I think they've proven, you know,
as a team they're better when they end the year
on a higher note than when they started it. But
it also it's going to be tough to really make
noise in the AFC with how proud of it is
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if you're dropping, you know, three of the first four.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Games outside of Christian Kirk. The ad gave Davis comes
comes from from Buffalo. What's that wide receiving corps look like.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, so a start and through receiver is gonna be
gave Davis and Brian Thomas on the outside, Christian Kirk
starting in the spot Parker Washington six round pick last year.
He's been one of the highlights of training camp. He
looks like he's locked in as that number four receiver
spot where he's going to kind of back up everybody
a little bit on the outside, but primarily back up
Christian Kirk. I think gave Davis, you know, just the
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usage of him in training camp. We're going to see
a lot more of him working the intermediate parts of
the field that he did in Buffalo. Buffalo used him
really as a peer deep threat. I haven't really seen
much of that usage from him in Jacksonville in training camp.
Brian Thomas, on the other hand, it's clearly he's the
vertical guy. They had join practice's with Tampa Bay last week.
He was just running by everybody they had in the secondary.
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He could be more than that, but right now I
think he's absolutely going to be their guy that used
to stretch the field. And then Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram,
in my opinion, are going to be the two most
targeted guys. Those are the two Trevor Lawrence has the
most chemistry with they lead the team into in the
last two years. I think they're going to lead a
team in targets again this year.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Awesome stuff, really good stuff. It's always interesting. I talk
about this all the time. How John Shipley joining us,
of course covers at Jaguars on How here's an NFL
team with a highly paid quarterback that everybody knows, I
mean the playoffs two years ago. They won a game
two years ago, yet very rarely discussed on national radio
and national TV. We will ride here and thanks to
John Shipley for joining us. Johnny the best, enjoyed the
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rest of camp. We'll talk to you when the season
rolls on.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Hey, I appreciate my friend.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
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Speaker 2 (10:40):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now do
say every day at this time of the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, we bring you a portion
of a previous show in Fox Sports Water Fox Sports Radio.
Here's Dan Patrick. He had this exchange with the Olympic
gold medalist Noah Lyles.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
How about you both wear football uniforms.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It's not a little two gimmicky for me. I mean
he's the one who chales.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, yeah, but we have to make it. This is
for TV.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
No, I'm going to produce this. So maybe that or
you both hold a football and race, or how about
because see sixty meters, I know why he wants to
do fifty yards because even if he loses, he's gonna lose.
It'll be close. But one hundred meters that there's no
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interest in that. But you have everything to lose. But
you would still do this with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm not right.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Look, he challenges me, so that means he wants the
crown of fastest man. So you have to race the
race that gives you the crown. There might be leeway
for adjustments. But if you think we're running anything that
has yards in it, and you're sorely mistaken. But we
can definitely have conversations. I'd have no problem having car
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conversations about it. But you're right, this is entertainment. No,
we won't be running with pads on, but hey, I
don't have a problem laying down a track in the
middle of a football stadium and saying, hey, let's pack
this place out.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I like that part of it out anytime anywhere. When
I don't like is the fact that no one knows
who Noah Lyles is and he pretends like he doesn't know.
People who like sports fans do know who he is.
I don't know. I just the Olympicshure, great, people watched
your fifteen minutes are up? I'm good moving on, are you? Yeah.
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Here's Brady Quinton talking about Mike Gundhy having QR codes
on the side of his on the back of his
helmets for Oklahom State this year. He goes from saying that,
then yeah, we hate it.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
By the way, did we get those QR codes put
on the back of the helmets? Just making sure so
we could, you know, make sure we get these players paid.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
You know, it does feel a little bit odd. I
just swear how many players? How many players are? Like
hold on, dude, Like you just told us I could
tell our agents stop calling, get back to me in December.
But here's a QR code you can link and donate
to our nil fond I just yeah, well, things got
a while, man.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I love Mike Gandy though he's he's one of the best.
I mean, he tells it how it is, or at
least how he sees it from his perspective, and what
I like about it is, this is the first team
we've kind of heard of doing and being this emboldened
in trying to make sure they stay amongst the rest,
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amongst the top in college football. And for Oklahoma State,
that's going to hit home a bit because your in
state rival has just left to go to another conference,
which is you know, taken away Bedlam at least as
we used to know it, and what that would mean
potentially for the conference. But that had to have been
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a wake up check for a lot of Cowboys fans
in watching their hated rival.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
If you will move on to the SEC, it was
not a wake up call, It was an alarm that,
you know, there was a feeling there that the Big
twelve would crumble and Oklahoma State was absolutely left in
the lurch. I don't think it lacks any sort of consistency.
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The problem is, and again I'm not being critical of
Brady and LeVar, but it's a little bit of you're
not telling the real picture of how it works, right,
And this is where I agree with Mike. You call
a kid in, you agree to terms with him, or
you call the agent you're agreed to terms and you say, hey, listen,
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here's what we're doing. You're going to get this a month.
This is how we're going to do it. And oh yeah,
by the way, we're also going to have QR codes
on our helmets. I don't know if when we'll have
them or how to work. You know that there's no
limitations on that. But that's something that you can earn.
That's real NIL sort of speak. You know, it's not
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it's complete bullshit, right because again, the NIL at least
we do, and I know Oklahoma State does as well.
And this is where Alli Gordon, who's making a ton
of money, like he actually does a ton of appearances
for the school and for other businesses and does speeches
and shows up, like we make these guys on some level,
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not to actual equal level, but earn whatever they're getting.
But just having the QR code and saying, hey, throw
him the pot because the guy's scored a touchdown. That's
making a mockery of any idea of NIL, which I
agree it is a mockery because it's a joke. It's
a sham that part of it. But I don't think
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it lacks any sort of consistency. He had the deal.
He said, if you want more money, go to make
more plays and people will hit your KR code. I
don't think I know that's exactly exactly what happened. Here's
Colin Cowher talking about Kevin Stefantasy has claimed that Pat
Mahomes is changing football the way Steph Curry's changed basketball.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
When I think of Steph Curry, you know what I
think of his pregame routine. It's the most intense in
the league. I've had multiple coaches I've talked to about
Steph Curry. They're like, you have no idea how hard
he works, and then you watch the games. Has there
ever been a player in league history that works as
hard as Steph Curry to get his shot? And Patrick
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Mahomes last year yards per attempt he was nineteenth. Mahomes
has become a great quarterback better since Tyreek Hill left.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Neither one's rigid.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
They can play in multiple styles with multiple teammates. I
always said Steph Curry was willing to play with Kevin Durant,
Carmelo Anthony was threatened by Jeremy Lynn. I like Trey
Young a lot, but he can't get along with de
Jontay Murray. Come on, man, It's like part of the
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greatness of Mahomes and Curry. They never get in their
own way. Mahomes has virtually no ego. He's making fifty
million a year, forty endorsements, beautiful wife. Literally, he laughs
at the dad Bod jokes.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
He laughs at it.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
He's not insecure about it.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
No, he's big time. I don't. It's super weird though, Jay,
you heard that cut. You know what this is about.
We talked about some of the radio show. It's about
Kevin Stefanski saying that Mahomes is doing the football with
Steph is doing the basketball, and there is nothing in
terms of disgust about that comparison. I think it's pretty
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good comparison. And here's why. It's the Steph Curry has
been able to make shots that used to be called
bad shots. Why would you call him a bad shot
because the percentage of chance of them going in was
low and he has this ability to make those at
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a much higher clip than anyone would could ever perceive
him making them, Just like the last shot he made
in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
No no, no, no, no no no, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Pat Mahomes has some of that as a football player too,
and not Kevin Stefanc. He kind of nailed it right,
and that guys are trying the no look pass. Don't
get me wrong. Gilbert Renez took some of these shots
before for Steph Curry, but he shot a lower percentage
and he wasn't particularly well liked and so and he
wasn't popular. He wasn't emulated the way that Steph's been emulated.
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Brett Favre took some of these chances through the no
look pass before, right, but there wasn't the coverage of
the quarterback position and he didn't win the multiple Super
Bowls this young in his career. I think it's accurate.
I think guys are playing more kind of backyard street football,
going around slinging it and taking chances. Now, the truth
to it is that Mahomes in the last two years,
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as really last year and a half, has really dialed
back some of the risk taking because especially even go
back to when they had Tyreek Hill and people would
play that too deep zone and he would try and
take chances that weren't there. Singles and doubles still win
the day. It's the same thing for the most part
with Steph Curry. But we're attracted to those plays, and
those plays do make us change how we view the sport.
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Pat Mahomes tries passes that previously you would have said,
that's a much higher risk than the reward would give you.
And the same thing with Steph Curry. And there, I
think is the parallel. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Say.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
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Speaker 2 (19:59):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Hey, Doug, are you familiar with djon A. Carrington?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I think she plays in the WNBA. Is that right?
Speaker 9 (20:20):
So just so the listeners know, did they get that right? Yes,
she's a member of the Connecticut Son. For those who
don't know, the Connecticut Son play their games at a casino. See,
the WNBA was so low on funds and so irrelevant
that they had to come up with different ways to
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support their teams. So the connectut Son got in bed
with a casino. So they play in the casino's arena
and they are sponsored by the casino. DJA Carrington is
the girlfriend of Caitlin Clark's teammate. Yes, I said that correctly.
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Djene Carrington is the girlfriend of Caitlin Clark's teammate. I
think her name is Smith, Melissa Smith. Djn A. Carrington
was the one who talked shit about Caitlin Clark in
a in a social media post recently. She's got an
edge to her. She's she's in that group of established
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w NBA players who doesn't need Caitlin Clark. That we were,
we were doing great before her. Everything since her has
been in pain in the ass. So this is just
the latest way to complain about Kitlyn Clark. DJA Carrington.
I guess they just played a game last night in
Boston and it had some significance to it. This is
what she said.
Speaker 10 (21:46):
I'm gonna keep it real all the time, and I
feel like Connecticut as a franchise is historically disrespected. So sometimes,
you know, if you want something, you got to go
out there and do it yourself. So that's what I
did for us. I think that there could have been
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a lot more publicity or promo from the top. You know,
Connecticut had announced that we were having this game probably
almost a year ago, maybe I don't know, sometime after
right after last season, so it was ample time to
do what needed to be done.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
Okay, So they played in a game in I guess Boston,
which is away from Connecticut, and they drew a pretty
good crowd, but it wasn't enough. That was her basically.
That was basically her way of saying, the w NBA
does a whole lot of work supporting and promoting Kaitlyn Clark,
and they do not promote us the Connecticut Sun, who
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has a better record. Again, just another way of complaining
about Kaitlyn Clark. It's her way of saying that the
bandwidth of the WNBA's marketing departs is all about Caitlin
and it's leaving the rest of us behind.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, I thought that some of these ladies, and I
still believe many of these ladies are jealous, But I
also think some of them just don't understand basic economics
and maybe you just need to go with an expression, right.
An old expression is the rising tide lifts all ships.
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You can't make TV companies carry something that people aren't
going to watch, and there is essentially no data that
says you should take a WNBA game. Matter of fact,
the new TV deal with ESPN will be a disaster
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if people don't continue to flock to watching Caitlyn Clark,
because that's really she's a force multiplier with everything she's doing.
But the ratings, especially like we've all seen them, at
least in our business, and I don't know if people
have seen them at home. But her first two games back,
one was on Ion, right, and it got like a
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million seven, which is crazy, crazy, huge number. And then
the one that was on ABC got over two million people.
No one else got near a million, not close. Those
are not good numbers, especially on network TV. When was
on ABC. The other game got like seven hundred thousand viewers.
Nobody gives a shit about Connecticut Sun Basketball enough to
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overlook them. You're not being overlooked, You're just being looked.
And the only thing they're trying to do is what
gets us the greatest set of eyes. And it's not
Connecticut Said basketball, the fact that you had to it
and I only knew because I lived in Connecticut. Right.
The reason they're named the Sun is not because the
sun doesn't come out or comes out in Connecticut in
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the summer. When they play, it's because they played the
Mohegan Sun, thus the play on words with the name
like bod he knows, nobody cares. The reason they're popular
is because, well, they've had the best women's program on
Earth up until probably the last six seven years, and
now it's not as popular because they don't have that
same Hey one, four national championships and then you go
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and play for the Connecticut Sun sort of thing. So yeah,
I used to think that it was just jealousy. Now
I think of it as some of it is financial stupidity.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
You're gonna love this one. There's a personality out there
that has increased in respect with me. Has what increased respect?
I don't even know what I was trying to say there.
But the guy that I'm working more and more in
our space in our industry nowadays is Ryan Weif he
seems to be kind of a little what would you say?
(25:46):
He's a risk taker in our business and that he's
burning bridges maybe kind of figure out why it didn't
work with the NFL originally. But he says interesting things
and he went after two major names in our business. Recently.
On an OutKick podcast, he talked about his situation with
ESPN and why he's no longer doing games for them,
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and this is great stuff.
Speaker 11 (26:09):
I had these phone calls, Okay, I've had is it
always a phone call and not a text?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
People? They usually like it.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
Usually comes from a from a coordinating producer too, like
it's not the above the pay grade. So like in
my situation, a coordinating producer who and I had an
incredible relationship with, you know, came and said, hey, you know,
I think we're going to pull you off games the
rest of the season. And I'm like, you know, you've
told me week in and week out, I mean number
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one guy like And this was for criticizing what was
being said about Washington State. Yeah, Washington State and Oregon State.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (26:43):
When I got after, I got after them for making
it a big joke.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
Right.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
Perhaps Street McAfee are the most you know, overly sensitive
people I've ever met. For guys who live in this
you know, you know, uh high platform. You know, they
get criticized all the time. But oh, I got are
they overly sensed the narcissists? So they probably could play
to someone that a coordinating producer calls you and says
they're going to take you off of games.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Yes, how great is that? Okay, so let's go a lot
to unpacker. So Ryan Leaf is alleging, and he confirmed
with with other people that Kirk Kurbstreet and Pat McAfee
were the ones that got him removed from doing ESPN games,
not un I'm not surprised that ought to hear this.
What annoys me in general are when highly compensated people
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still play the political game. And it's a lesson for
everybody listening to this podcast. If you're not playing politics
at work, you can guarantee that people around you are,
and you need to gauge your relationships with people you
work with accordingly. No matter how little or influence people have,
(27:58):
it's a good chance right now somebody is more globilizing
to be promoted at the cost of you, And if
you're not playing the game at the very least, you
need to be aware of that. Keep your head on
a swivel. Especially in our business, it's probably more cutthroat
than most, but I think in general this is a
(28:18):
people business. Keep your work relationships at a certain I
don't know proximity to civil because you never know who's
working to get you replaced. And in Ryan WEAF's case,
it was two of the most highly compensated people in
the business still worrying about people far underneath them. In
(28:39):
the totem pole.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Um. There's a couple of things to it. I think
one of those two guys is super sensitive, and I
don't think it's Kirkirpstreet. Okay. The Washington State thing was
a debacle for Pat McAfee because he showed how he
(29:05):
really doesn't have any fucking clue about college football when
he was kind of talking shit and making fun of
and like where was that flag when you were bad?
Like the Washington State flag has been synonymous with college
game Day, you know. Additionally, that show has always really
been light and fun, with exception when they'd have Tom Rinaldi,
you know who do bring everybody to tears with his pieces,
(29:26):
and now he does it with Fox with Big newon Kickoff.
With exception of that, it's always been a light show.
And I don't know if the mcaffee thing works there.
I'll just be honest with you, like I you know,
I don't there's parts of McAfee. I get lots of
parts of it I don't get. I think he's brilliant
as a businessman. But I do think that he look,
(29:50):
he's picked up and left a bunch of jobs and
been rewarded for it. But those of us paying attention
know that like either he wears out his wealth come
or he gets super insecure about something he doesn't have
to be insecure about. So do I think that Pat
McAfee said something. Sure, I also think that a lot
of this, Sojay, the truth is a lot of it
(30:13):
is executives in that they don't understand or maybe they
just don't have the appetite for the fact that you
hire the color analyst for college football, college basketball, baseball whatever.
Those are all former athletes. Now maybe the new generation
is a little bit different, but most of us like
(30:34):
we can take it, you know. But I've had this
happen to me where I worked with Steve Lappis when
I was at CBS and CBS Sports Network and LAP
and I like we disagree on air and every once
in a while, like he get pissed. I never got pissed.
I just I love Lap but he get pissed. But
(30:56):
it's okay. Like Steve Lapis is a New Yorker, He's
a lot like my dad was, right, Like he's a coach,
I'm a player. We used to joust a little bit.
We disagree with disagree with some stuff, Like it was
a good broadcast, but I distinctly remember like we had
a disagreement in between in one of our games. And
it was in the Mountain West Conference tournament and I
(31:16):
go to get some food in between games and the
guy who ended up breaking us up was like, are
you okay? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (31:24):
What not?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Like, well, yeah, I know you had a little thing
with Lap Okay, you know, it's like doesn't even matter.
So one of the things you run into is that
most former athletes are competitive dudes, and go ahead, come
back at me, like we can do. This is how
(31:45):
this is like this is the alful world. This is
the world in which we existed. We're okay with it.
But every there are some insecure former athletes and some
guys that reach stardom to where they're simple. And we've
talked about this rescue, and we talked about this with
Skip Bayliss before, Like like, if you said anything alluding
to Skip in a negative tone when he's at ESPN,
(32:08):
when he's at Fox, you got called in the principal's office.
You just did and I've never understood it. But Skip
isn't a former athlete. He is, he's he was incredibly
insecure mostly do most these dudes are not. Most of
these dudes are like, oh, you want to talk shit, Like,
I'll talk some shit as well, back with you. But
I also think that Ryan like, yeah, I don't even
(32:33):
know where the Herbstreek thing came from. Can Herbstreek gets
you canceled? Yeah? But I also think that having worked
at ESPN and worked at Fox, like again, we all
he can suspect and he may be right. It probably was.
It could have been McAfee, It could have been Herbie,
it could have been On the other hand, boy, you
(32:57):
better know, because they're so many different chefs in that kitchen.
I would guess the strongest like it is there's somebody
in upper level management who knew there was a beef
between him and the others. Plus, I believe when he's
talked about it, it's been when he's hosted either the
(33:18):
Dan Patrick Show, I think he's hosted a couple other
shows as well, and it's like, Okay, one, you're going
to talk about our inner office workings. Two you're going
to do it on another network when you don't work
for ESPN Radio, and I think that's probably what didn't
sit well with them. And three, I don't think it's
those guys. I could be wrong. I could be wrong.
(33:39):
Like Pat took a lot of heat for the Washington
State stuff.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Could you explain in a minute or so what that was,
because both Sam and I are looking at each other
thinking we remember it, but what were the details?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, So basically, you know McAfee, I don't. He was
sitting next to Rhys Davis last year, and you know,
I would say that Ryan was actually the one who
was super sensitive where in Washington State fans where you know,
they laughed at Old Crimson, which is the Washington State flag,
which for more than twenty years has been a fixture
(34:13):
of that show, and Oregon State's flag was right next
to it. They were at Notre Dame and they just
kind of had a good laugh, and I'd say most
people from both those schools thought it was a laugh
at the expense of two programs that are now left
in kind of no man's land of not being in
a major conference. So if anything, it's Ryan being super
(34:36):
sensitive to his alma mater, which of course he led
to a Rose Bowl, but also McAfee not really. He
came back at Ryan Leaf and crushed him. On the
other hand, it was kind of an uneducated crush because
he's like, where were you guys when you won one game,
two games and you suck? They were still there, Like
old Crimson. The Washington State flag has been there anytime
I've ever seen college game back, you know, when they
(34:58):
were in studio, maybe it wasn't there, or maybe maybe
in the very early days. They've even done pieces on it.
So I thought mcaffee showed that he doesn't really know
the history. And most guys that are in the NFL,
like they don't watch college football except for their own team.
You know, I don't know anything about it because they're
getting ready for a game. They get their own lives,
they get wives, they got jobs, they moved around. So
(35:20):
I think he exposed himself as somebody who doesn't really
know the sport per se. And it's hard. It's super
hard to do a radio show, to do wrestling, to
do all the other stuff that you're doing. And then
oh yeah, by the way, like college football fans, if
you make a mistake, they act like you know you're
the biggest idiot on earth, and you don't have any
(35:40):
sort of equity because you haven't been a college football
guy for a long long time. Completely understand by the way,
Pat McAfee, we do know that when the biggest, one
of the biggest upsets in our lifetime was when he
was the kicker for West Virginia they lost the Backyard
Brawl as a massive favorite to pay Witsburg. He missed
(36:00):
a huge kick. All that said, yeah, I'm with you.
I wish that more guys who had the power to
be benevolent were in fact benevolent. But you and I
both know, Jay stew that this game produces massive, massive egos,
(36:22):
and guys don't want to be made to look bad,
especially I believe the non athletes, even the athletes, they
don't want to be made to look bad. And I
think that Ryan tried to make them look bad. And
my guess though, is that that was an upper management decision,
not a Herbie or even a McAfee decision. I don't
think he cares.
Speaker 9 (36:44):
So many annoying things about that. And my again my
takeaway annoyance here is Yes, when people make it, and
they make a ton of money, and they're at the top,
and they still play the petty political games and hand
pick people to be removed from there from their space.
I think that's bullshit. But anyways, the third thing I
(37:07):
think is annoying today is companies or entities that still
use Roman numerals. You know, we're gonna have Drew Brees
on the show here in the next couple of weeks.
And I was just doing some research today. I tried
to find out which Super Bowl he was the MVP of,
and all I was getting was Roman numerals that I'm
completely illiterate in. So the Roman numeral for forty four.
(37:31):
It took me three to four articles, and I still
didn't see anyone like put in parentheses the number. I
had to ask Sam what it is. He had to
go to Google to type it in to translate it.
I used, Ali, why are we using Roman numerals for anything?
The NFL needs to just start using numbers. It's it's America,
(37:51):
this is the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, remember there was a time when it was predicted
we'd switch to the metric system. Do you remember that.
I think we were kids, I don't. They were like, yeah,
we're gonna switch to the metric system any year now,
and we never have. We definitely aren't going to Roman numerals. Look,
I think Roman numerals are cool, and you know, even
Super Bowl fifty I even thought that was kind of cool.
(38:18):
But it's very confusing. It's very confusing. Why are we
using Roman numerals when nothing about the sport is Roman?
Speaker 9 (38:31):
So you have a djon A Carrington's take on WNBA.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
These Djonair Carrington, I mean they're just so obnoxious, so annoying.
I don't care how good Caitlin Kirk is and how
much fun to watch he is. Everything else in the
WNBA is incredibly unannoying, not just because the basketball is
not good or I don't really care, people don't really care,
(38:57):
but also because they just refuse to get it, either
from a social equity standpoint or a financial equity standpoint.
And for that reason, why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Why because we can?
Speaker 9 (39:20):
Gilbert Arenas owns this space because one he says dumb
things yes, and two he likes to cuss. This is
the same on his podcast you know you know what, like.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
When people talk about Kyrie's on guard, Kyrie is a
snail compared to lifers.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Nail Jesus like he has.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Look think about how many moves, how many combo moves
Kyrie has to get by somebody one move, that's all. Yeah,
I mean I got down Everson. He was quick and fast,
he was a blur. Carrie every a better player, I
mean better skill. It's not really close. But I was
(40:07):
actually hanging out with Allen iverson this weekend at this
event and a pump vent you know, I know you've
been there before. And the one thing he still has
is or the kids say, Aura, right, there's just a
feeling around him and yeah, I mean he just had that.
But he's right, he's a absolute freak of nature athlete.
(40:28):
But let's not undersell Kyrie in terms of athletically. And
the fact is that great players in basketball are not
always the fastest and jump the jump the highest or
the tallest. He brought up Steph Curry for a reason.
Why do we play it for you? Because we can?
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be annoyed by. On a daily basis, we try and
(01:15):
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And then we have something called because we can, where
we play for you, usually an audio clip of somebody
cursing many times with other innuendo, and we can do
it unedited because it's a podcast, So we call it
because we can. So that's a and we have really
(01:36):
good stuff today. Hey, let's talk some Jacksonville Jaguars football.
John Shipley's our guest. He's a Jacks beat reporter for
Jacksonville Jaguars on SI dot com. He joins us here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Foxsports Radio. Two years ago.
You had the great comeback against the Chargers, competitive game
against the Chiefs last year, I think it's safe to
(01:59):
say disappointing season. What are local expectations for this Jacks team.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think local expectations are for the jag Wars to
at least push for a playoff spot, you know, to
look to attempt to get out of that nine and
eight rut that they've been in for the last two years.
But I also don't think many people locally are expecting
them to be a team that's going to, you know,
automatically overtake the Houston Texas and start posing a threat
to Kansas City Chiefs. So I thought locally, it really
(02:27):
is that, you know, the Jaguars have to show it,
improve it first, because for as high as people were
on them locally entering last season, the way the end
of the season, you know, in that disappointing fashion, losing
five in their last six games, the only team they
beat was the worst team in the NFL by four,
in the Carolina Panthers. It was a really brutal endings
that year, and it kind of set the tone I
(02:48):
think for a lot of expectations ending this year.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, well, I'm interested that the expectations are so low considering,
you know, Trevor Lawrence seen as kind of the pert
prospect and out gets this big contract and yet it
maybe it's the market and the understanding of where they
were going back three years ago, but it's weird. Most
guys who get those contracts have massive expectations. He've done him.
(03:15):
How do Jaguars fans feel about their quarterback?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I absolutely do think the expectations for Trevor are higher
than for any other player. I think anybody that you
know locally has heessimism about, you know, the Jaguars. I'm
not sure anybody say the balls around Trevor. It revolves
is around things like you know, said the offensive line
or who's going to be a play caller or a
defensive line depth. Everybody, at least from my perspective, you know,
(03:41):
seeses as the guy. Now, has he been a transcendent
generational quarterback who's bolted into the top three, you know,
talk right out of the gate. You know, he hasn't been.
There's been you know, ups and downs. He has struggled
with turnovers at times, obviously had a nightmarish rookie season
under Irban May. But he's shown the ability that you know,
he and basically take the Jaguars as far as they
(04:02):
need to on his shoulders, winning nine games in each
of the last two seasons. It's not where any franchise
that has big aspirations want to be. But you know,
look at some of the quarterbacks before him, and it's
clear that he just takes them further than you know,
they've really been before, and the team really rides and
you know, the waves that you know, whatever he does.
So that's the biggest thing with him is he has
(04:22):
to remain consistent and obviously he doesn't have the numbers
that reflect that contract he got yet. But it's also
you know, if you're Jacksonville, you don't have a question
that Trevor is your franchise guy. And even if he
hasn't met every single expectation, he's a better option than
anything else. You know, they would go out there and
find I think a lot of teams would like to
have Trevor Lawrence at the at the quarterback position. I
(04:45):
think people are expecting a big year out of Trevor.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, what's the most intriguing position battle? As we could
closer and closer to them cut into fifty three.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, you know, there's there's a lot of interesting battles
moving forward. I think you know, you look at the
offensive line. You know, left tackle Cam Robinson versus left
tackle Walker Little. Walker Little was the second round pick
in twenty twenty one, A former pretty much all world
recruit coming out of high school. It probably would have
been the first round pick if not for injuries of Stanford,
(05:15):
and he's played well when he's played for Jacksonville. But
Cam Robinson's also the most expensive offensive lineman and that's
been the biggest thing keeping him off the field against suttle.
They've been in a battle throughout training camp. I think
Robinson's going to start week one, but that's definitely the
biggest battle I think. You know, moving forward between you know,
you look at either side of the ball starters.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
New defense coordinated Ryan Nielsen, how is this defense going
to be different?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think you're going to see differences and first, like
the structure. You know, former defensive coordinator Mike Caldwell randoms
traditional three to four a lot of times. You know,
he tried to put three big bodies on the line
and then he would stand up Josh Allen and Trayvon
Walker on the edges. You get a five man front.
You've seen a lot more foreman front soan Neil so
I wouldn't exactly call it a four to three, but
(06:03):
there's more four to three elements. Jayvon Walker has his
hand and dirt more. You know, they're expecting the front
four to be able to get there more instead of
rushing with five, bringing extra flip coverages. And you're also
seeing a lot more press coverage from the Jaguars corners.
You know, I've been playing a very aggressive style of
defense and it took the Jaguars offense a little bit
training camp to really get adjusted to it. Because Mike
(06:24):
Caldwell scheme has a lot of off coverage reading the
quarterback's eyes. You know, there would be some windows pretty quickly,
whereas in this scheme, you know, the windows were a
lot tighter and they were closing quicker, and you could
tell the offense, you know, how to get used to it.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Five of the first seven are on the road, and look,
you open up with the Dolphins, who usually the heat
affects their opponent game one of the season. Don't know
how much it has an effect on Jacksonville. Obviously it's
it's plenty hot in Jacksonville, though you're right there in
the sun at hard Rock Stadium, is it? I mean,
lame to say, but pretty obvious that how they start
(06:58):
is really going to affect what it looks like in totality.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh absolutely. I mean you just look at their September
and their first four games all against playoff games. Miami
on the road, Houston on the Houston on the road,
I believe, buff Well on the road in the Cleveland Browns.
I mean that's you know, the brutal for you know,
four game stretch. It's a real chance that could be
one and three coming out of that. I think if
you're two and two coming out that first month, you
(07:23):
feel them decent if you know Jaguars, but it's definitely
a scenario where you know that first month could really
dictate their season and how things are going because their
schedule gets easier in the second half, especially as they
start into division play, but that first month they played
some really good teams.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's a little bit of bad luck, right,
Like the only divisional opponent you play in that first
month is Houston. They just haven't be the pick to
win the Division one division last year, and you play
them on the road, you know, before you get Indy
and even Chicago back to back games five in game six,
where you have young quarterbacks you feel like you have
might have a better chance on Yeah, it's it's always interesting,
(07:59):
like we do these factoring in schedules and based upon
rerecords last year in perspective this year, but sometimes it
comes down to how you start, because teams can lose
confidence and you get beat up by those better teams
thereundred percent.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think the Jaguars are a great example. They started
out eight and three last year when they entered that
week twelve Monday night football game with the Bengals, you know,
they had a legitimate chance to you know, get into
the jockeying for the number one seed in the AFC,
and then as a result of injuries the guys like
you know, Christian Kirk, Cam Robinson, Ezra Cleveland, Trevor Lawrence.
Of course, you know, they ended up losing five to
(08:32):
the last six. And it was kind of the opposite
way in twenty twenty two where they started off pretty
pretty slow, had them bumps here and there, and then
they ended hot. So I think they've proven, you know,
as a team they're better when they end the year
on a higher note than when they started it. But
it also it's going to be tough to really make
noise in the AFC with how proud of it is
(08:53):
if you're dropping, you know, three of the first four.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Games outside of Christian Kirk. The ad gave Davis comes
comes from from Buffalo. What's that wide receiving corps look like.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, so a start and through receiver is gonna be
gave Davis and Brian Thomas on the outside, Christian Kirk
starting in the spot Parker Washington six round pick last year.
He's been one of the highlights of training camp. He
looks like he's locked in as that number four receiver
spot where he's going to kind of back up everybody
a little bit on the outside, but primarily back up
Christian Kirk. I think gave Davis, you know, just the
(09:24):
usage of him in training camp. We're going to see
a lot more of him working the intermediate parts of
the field that he did in Buffalo. Buffalo used him
really as a peer deep threat. I haven't really seen
much of that usage from him in Jacksonville in training camp.
Brian Thomas, on the other hand, it's clearly he's the
vertical guy. They had join practice's with Tampa Bay last week.
He was just running by everybody they had in the secondary.
(09:47):
He could be more than that, but right now I
think he's absolutely going to be their guy that used
to stretch the field. And then Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram,
in my opinion, are going to be the two most
targeted guys. Those are the two Trevor Lawrence has the
most chemistry with they lead the team into in the
last two years. I think they're going to lead a
team in targets again this year.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Awesome stuff, really good stuff. It's always interesting. I talk
about this all the time. How John Shipley joining us,
of course covers at Jaguars on How here's an NFL
team with a highly paid quarterback that everybody knows, I
mean the playoffs two years ago. They won a game
two years ago, yet very rarely discussed on national radio
and national TV. We will ride here and thanks to
John Shipley for joining us. Johnny the best, enjoyed the
(10:27):
rest of camp. We'll talk to you when the season
rolls on.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Hey, I appreciate my friend.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
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Speaker 2 (10:40):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now do
say every day at this time of the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, we bring you a portion
of a previous show in Fox Sports Water Fox Sports Radio.
Here's Dan Patrick. He had this exchange with the Olympic
gold medalist Noah Lyles.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
How about you both wear football uniforms.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It's not a little two gimmicky for me. I mean
he's the one who chales.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, yeah, but we have to make it. This is
for TV.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
No, I'm going to produce this. So maybe that or
you both hold a football and race, or how about
because see sixty meters, I know why he wants to
do fifty yards because even if he loses, he's gonna lose.
It'll be close. But one hundred meters that there's no
(11:31):
interest in that. But you have everything to lose. But
you would still do this with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I'm not right.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Look, he challenges me, so that means he wants the
crown of fastest man. So you have to race the
race that gives you the crown. There might be leeway
for adjustments. But if you think we're running anything that
has yards in it, and you're sorely mistaken. But we
can definitely have conversations. I'd have no problem having car
(12:00):
conversations about it. But you're right, this is entertainment. No,
we won't be running with pads on, but hey, I
don't have a problem laying down a track in the
middle of a football stadium and saying, hey, let's pack
this place out.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I like that part of it out anytime anywhere. When
I don't like is the fact that no one knows
who Noah Lyles is and he pretends like he doesn't know.
People who like sports fans do know who he is.
I don't know. I just the Olympicshure, great, people watched
your fifteen minutes are up? I'm good moving on, are you? Yeah.
(12:33):
Here's Brady Quinton talking about Mike Gundhy having QR codes
on the side of his on the back of his
helmets for Oklahom State this year. He goes from saying that,
then yeah, we hate it.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
By the way, did we get those QR codes put
on the back of the helmets? Just making sure so
we could, you know, make sure we get these players paid.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
You know, it does feel a little bit odd. I
just swear how many players? How many players are? Like
hold on, dude, Like you just told us I could
tell our agents stop calling, get back to me in December.
But here's a QR code you can link and donate
to our nil fond I just yeah, well, things got
a while, man.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
I love Mike Gandy though he's he's one of the best.
I mean, he tells it how it is, or at
least how he sees it from his perspective, and what
I like about it is, this is the first team
we've kind of heard of doing and being this emboldened
in trying to make sure they stay amongst the rest,
(13:34):
amongst the top in college football. And for Oklahoma State,
that's going to hit home a bit because your in
state rival has just left to go to another conference,
which is you know, taken away Bedlam at least as
we used to know it, and what that would mean
potentially for the conference. But that had to have been
(13:55):
a wake up check for a lot of Cowboys fans
in watching their hated rival.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
If you will move on to the SEC, it was
not a wake up call, It was an alarm that,
you know, there was a feeling there that the Big
twelve would crumble and Oklahoma State was absolutely left in
the lurch. I don't think it lacks any sort of consistency.
(14:26):
The problem is, and again I'm not being critical of
Brady and LeVar, but it's a little bit of you're
not telling the real picture of how it works, right,
And this is where I agree with Mike. You call
a kid in, you agree to terms with him, or
you call the agent you're agreed to terms and you say, hey, listen,
(14:49):
here's what we're doing. You're going to get this a month.
This is how we're going to do it. And oh yeah,
by the way, we're also going to have QR codes
on our helmets. I don't know if when we'll have
them or how to work. You know that there's no
limitations on that. But that's something that you can earn.
That's real NIL sort of speak. You know, it's not
(15:12):
it's complete bullshit, right because again, the NIL at least
we do, and I know Oklahoma State does as well.
And this is where Alli Gordon, who's making a ton
of money, like he actually does a ton of appearances
for the school and for other businesses and does speeches
and shows up, like we make these guys on some level,
(15:33):
not to actual equal level, but earn whatever they're getting.
But just having the QR code and saying, hey, throw
him the pot because the guy's scored a touchdown. That's
making a mockery of any idea of NIL, which I
agree it is a mockery because it's a joke. It's
a sham that part of it. But I don't think
(15:54):
it lacks any sort of consistency. He had the deal.
He said, if you want more money, go to make
more plays and people will hit your KR code. I
don't think I know that's exactly exactly what happened. Here's
Colin Cowher talking about Kevin Stefantasy has claimed that Pat
Mahomes is changing football the way Steph Curry's changed basketball.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
When I think of Steph Curry, you know what I
think of his pregame routine. It's the most intense in
the league. I've had multiple coaches I've talked to about
Steph Curry. They're like, you have no idea how hard
he works, and then you watch the games. Has there
ever been a player in league history that works as
hard as Steph Curry to get his shot? And Patrick
(16:38):
Mahomes last year yards per attempt he was nineteenth. Mahomes
has become a great quarterback better since Tyreek Hill left.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Neither one's rigid.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
They can play in multiple styles with multiple teammates. I
always said Steph Curry was willing to play with Kevin Durant,
Carmelo Anthony was threatened by Jeremy Lynn. I like Trey
Young a lot, but he can't get along with de
Jontay Murray. Come on, man, It's like part of the
(17:11):
greatness of Mahomes and Curry. They never get in their
own way. Mahomes has virtually no ego. He's making fifty
million a year, forty endorsements, beautiful wife. Literally, he laughs
at the dad Bod jokes.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
He laughs at it.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
He's not insecure about it.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
No, he's big time. I don't. It's super weird though, Jay,
you heard that cut. You know what this is about.
We talked about some of the radio show. It's about
Kevin Stefanski saying that Mahomes is doing the football with
Steph is doing the basketball, and there is nothing in
terms of disgust about that comparison. I think it's pretty
(17:56):
good comparison. And here's why. It's the Steph Curry has
been able to make shots that used to be called
bad shots. Why would you call him a bad shot
because the percentage of chance of them going in was
low and he has this ability to make those at
(18:19):
a much higher clip than anyone would could ever perceive
him making them, Just like the last shot he made
in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
No no, no, no, no no no, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Pat Mahomes has some of that as a football player too,
and not Kevin Stefanc. He kind of nailed it right,
and that guys are trying the no look pass. Don't
get me wrong. Gilbert Renez took some of these shots
before for Steph Curry, but he shot a lower percentage
and he wasn't particularly well liked and so and he
wasn't popular. He wasn't emulated the way that Steph's been emulated.
(18:50):
Brett Favre took some of these chances through the no
look pass before, right, but there wasn't the coverage of
the quarterback position and he didn't win the multiple Super
Bowls this young in his career. I think it's accurate.
I think guys are playing more kind of backyard street football,
going around slinging it and taking chances. Now, the truth
to it is that Mahomes in the last two years,
(19:13):
as really last year and a half, has really dialed
back some of the risk taking because especially even go
back to when they had Tyreek Hill and people would
play that too deep zone and he would try and
take chances that weren't there. Singles and doubles still win
the day. It's the same thing for the most part
with Steph Curry. But we're attracted to those plays, and
those plays do make us change how we view the sport.
(19:35):
Pat Mahomes tries passes that previously you would have said,
that's a much higher risk than the reward would give you.
And the same thing with Steph Curry. And there, I
think is the parallel. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Say.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
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Speaker 2 (19:59):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 9 (20:11):
Hey, Doug, are you familiar with djon A. Carrington?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I think she plays in the WNBA. Is that right?
Speaker 9 (20:20):
So just so the listeners know, did they get that right? Yes,
she's a member of the Connecticut Son. For those who
don't know, the Connecticut Son play their games at a casino. See,
the WNBA was so low on funds and so irrelevant
that they had to come up with different ways to
(20:41):
support their teams. So the connectut Son got in bed
with a casino. So they play in the casino's arena
and they are sponsored by the casino. DJA Carrington is
the girlfriend of Caitlin Clark's teammate. Yes, I said that correctly.
(21:03):
Djene Carrington is the girlfriend of Caitlin Clark's teammate. I
think her name is Smith, Melissa Smith. Djn A. Carrington
was the one who talked shit about Caitlin Clark in
a in a social media post recently. She's got an
edge to her. She's she's in that group of established
(21:26):
w NBA players who doesn't need Caitlin Clark. That we were,
we were doing great before her. Everything since her has
been in pain in the ass. So this is just
the latest way to complain about Kitlyn Clark. DJA Carrington.
I guess they just played a game last night in
Boston and it had some significance to it. This is
what she said.
Speaker 10 (21:46):
I'm gonna keep it real all the time, and I
feel like Connecticut as a franchise is historically disrespected. So sometimes,
you know, if you want something, you got to go
out there and do it yourself. So that's what I
did for us. I think that there could have been
(22:06):
a lot more publicity or promo from the top. You know,
Connecticut had announced that we were having this game probably
almost a year ago, maybe I don't know, sometime after
right after last season, so it was ample time to
do what needed to be done.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
Okay, So they played in a game in I guess Boston,
which is away from Connecticut, and they drew a pretty
good crowd, but it wasn't enough. That was her basically.
That was basically her way of saying, the w NBA
does a whole lot of work supporting and promoting Kaitlyn Clark,
and they do not promote us the Connecticut Sun, who
(22:49):
has a better record. Again, just another way of complaining
about Kaitlyn Clark. It's her way of saying that the
bandwidth of the WNBA's marketing departs is all about Caitlin
and it's leaving the rest of us behind.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, I thought that some of these ladies, and I
still believe many of these ladies are jealous, But I
also think some of them just don't understand basic economics
and maybe you just need to go with an expression, right.
An old expression is the rising tide lifts all ships.
(23:28):
You can't make TV companies carry something that people aren't
going to watch, and there is essentially no data that
says you should take a WNBA game. Matter of fact,
the new TV deal with ESPN will be a disaster
(23:49):
if people don't continue to flock to watching Caitlyn Clark,
because that's really she's a force multiplier with everything she's doing.
But the ratings, especially like we've all seen them, at
least in our business, and I don't know if people
have seen them at home. But her first two games back,
one was on Ion, right, and it got like a
(24:10):
million seven, which is crazy, crazy, huge number. And then
the one that was on ABC got over two million people.
No one else got near a million, not close. Those
are not good numbers, especially on network TV. When was
on ABC. The other game got like seven hundred thousand viewers.
Nobody gives a shit about Connecticut Sun Basketball enough to
(24:32):
overlook them. You're not being overlooked, You're just being looked.
And the only thing they're trying to do is what
gets us the greatest set of eyes. And it's not
Connecticut Said basketball, the fact that you had to it
and I only knew because I lived in Connecticut. Right.
The reason they're named the Sun is not because the
sun doesn't come out or comes out in Connecticut in
(24:53):
the summer. When they play, it's because they played the
Mohegan Sun, thus the play on words with the name
like bod he knows, nobody cares. The reason they're popular
is because, well, they've had the best women's program on
Earth up until probably the last six seven years, and
now it's not as popular because they don't have that
same Hey one, four national championships and then you go
(25:14):
and play for the Connecticut Sun sort of thing. So yeah,
I used to think that it was just jealousy. Now
I think of it as some of it is financial stupidity.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
You're gonna love this one. There's a personality out there
that has increased in respect with me. Has what increased respect?
I don't even know what I was trying to say there.
But the guy that I'm working more and more in
our space in our industry nowadays is Ryan Weif he
seems to be kind of a little what would you say?
(25:46):
He's a risk taker in our business and that he's
burning bridges maybe kind of figure out why it didn't
work with the NFL originally. But he says interesting things
and he went after two major names in our business. Recently.
On an OutKick podcast, he talked about his situation with
ESPN and why he's no longer doing games for them,
(26:08):
and this is great stuff.
Speaker 11 (26:09):
I had these phone calls, Okay, I've had is it
always a phone call and not a text?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
People? They usually like it.
Speaker 11 (26:17):
Usually comes from a from a coordinating producer too, like
it's not the above the pay grade. So like in
my situation, a coordinating producer who and I had an
incredible relationship with, you know, came and said, hey, you know,
I think we're going to pull you off games the
rest of the season. And I'm like, you know, you've
told me week in and week out, I mean number
(26:37):
one guy like And this was for criticizing what was
being said about Washington State. Yeah, Washington State and Oregon State.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (26:43):
When I got after, I got after them for making
it a big joke.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
Right.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
Perhaps Street McAfee are the most you know, overly sensitive
people I've ever met. For guys who live in this
you know, you know, uh high platform. You know, they
get criticized all the time. But oh, I got are
they overly sensed the narcissists? So they probably could play
to someone that a coordinating producer calls you and says
they're going to take you off of games.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Yes, how great is that? Okay, so let's go a lot
to unpacker. So Ryan Leaf is alleging, and he confirmed
with with other people that Kirk Kurbstreet and Pat McAfee
were the ones that got him removed from doing ESPN games,
not un I'm not surprised that ought to hear this.
What annoys me in general are when highly compensated people
(27:33):
still play the political game. And it's a lesson for
everybody listening to this podcast. If you're not playing politics
at work, you can guarantee that people around you are,
and you need to gauge your relationships with people you
work with accordingly. No matter how little or influence people have,
(27:58):
it's a good chance right now somebody is more globilizing
to be promoted at the cost of you, And if
you're not playing the game at the very least, you
need to be aware of that. Keep your head on
a swivel. Especially in our business, it's probably more cutthroat
than most, but I think in general this is a
(28:18):
people business. Keep your work relationships at a certain I
don't know proximity to civil because you never know who's
working to get you replaced. And in Ryan WEAF's case,
it was two of the most highly compensated people in
the business still worrying about people far underneath them. In
(28:39):
the totem pole.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Um. There's a couple of things to it. I think
one of those two guys is super sensitive, and I
don't think it's Kirkirpstreet. Okay. The Washington State thing was
a debacle for Pat McAfee because he showed how he
(29:05):
really doesn't have any fucking clue about college football when
he was kind of talking shit and making fun of
and like where was that flag when you were bad?
Like the Washington State flag has been synonymous with college
game Day, you know. Additionally, that show has always really
been light and fun, with exception when they'd have Tom Rinaldi,
you know who do bring everybody to tears with his pieces,
(29:26):
and now he does it with Fox with Big newon Kickoff.
With exception of that, it's always been a light show.
And I don't know if the mcaffee thing works there.
I'll just be honest with you, like I you know,
I don't there's parts of McAfee. I get lots of
parts of it I don't get. I think he's brilliant
as a businessman. But I do think that he look,
(29:50):
he's picked up and left a bunch of jobs and
been rewarded for it. But those of us paying attention
know that like either he wears out his wealth come
or he gets super insecure about something he doesn't have
to be insecure about. So do I think that Pat
McAfee said something. Sure, I also think that a lot
of this, Sojay, the truth is a lot of it
(30:13):
is executives in that they don't understand or maybe they
just don't have the appetite for the fact that you
hire the color analyst for college football, college basketball, baseball whatever.
Those are all former athletes. Now maybe the new generation
is a little bit different, but most of us like
(30:34):
we can take it, you know. But I've had this
happen to me where I worked with Steve Lappis when
I was at CBS and CBS Sports Network and LAP
and I like we disagree on air and every once
in a while, like he get pissed. I never got pissed.
I just I love Lap but he get pissed. But
(30:56):
it's okay. Like Steve Lapis is a New Yorker, He's
a lot like my dad was, right, Like he's a coach,
I'm a player. We used to joust a little bit.
We disagree with disagree with some stuff, Like it was
a good broadcast, but I distinctly remember like we had
a disagreement in between in one of our games. And
it was in the Mountain West Conference tournament and I
(31:16):
go to get some food in between games and the
guy who ended up breaking us up was like, are
you okay? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (31:24):
What not?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Like, well, yeah, I know you had a little thing
with Lap Okay, you know, it's like doesn't even matter.
So one of the things you run into is that
most former athletes are competitive dudes, and go ahead, come
back at me, like we can do. This is how
(31:45):
this is like this is the alful world. This is
the world in which we existed. We're okay with it.
But every there are some insecure former athletes and some
guys that reach stardom to where they're simple. And we've
talked about this rescue, and we talked about this with
Skip Bayliss before, Like like, if you said anything alluding
to Skip in a negative tone when he's at ESPN,
(32:08):
when he's at Fox, you got called in the principal's office.
You just did and I've never understood it. But Skip
isn't a former athlete. He is, he's he was incredibly
insecure mostly do most these dudes are not. Most of
these dudes are like, oh, you want to talk shit, Like,
I'll talk some shit as well, back with you. But
I also think that Ryan like, yeah, I don't even
(32:33):
know where the Herbstreek thing came from. Can Herbstreek gets
you canceled? Yeah? But I also think that having worked
at ESPN and worked at Fox, like again, we all
he can suspect and he may be right. It probably was.
It could have been McAfee, It could have been Herbie,
it could have been On the other hand, boy, you
(32:57):
better know, because they're so many different chefs in that kitchen.
I would guess the strongest like it is there's somebody
in upper level management who knew there was a beef
between him and the others. Plus, I believe when he's
talked about it, it's been when he's hosted either the
(33:18):
Dan Patrick Show, I think he's hosted a couple other
shows as well, and it's like, Okay, one, you're going
to talk about our inner office workings. Two you're going
to do it on another network when you don't work
for ESPN Radio, and I think that's probably what didn't
sit well with them. And three, I don't think it's
those guys. I could be wrong. I could be wrong.
(33:39):
Like Pat took a lot of heat for the Washington
State stuff.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
Could you explain in a minute or so what that was,
because both Sam and I are looking at each other
thinking we remember it, but what were the details?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Okay, So basically, you know McAfee, I don't. He was
sitting next to Rhys Davis last year, and you know,
I would say that Ryan was actually the one who
was super sensitive where in Washington State fans where you know,
they laughed at Old Crimson, which is the Washington State flag,
which for more than twenty years has been a fixture
(34:13):
of that show, and Oregon State's flag was right next
to it. They were at Notre Dame and they just
kind of had a good laugh, and I'd say most
people from both those schools thought it was a laugh
at the expense of two programs that are now left
in kind of no man's land of not being in
a major conference. So if anything, it's Ryan being super
(34:36):
sensitive to his alma mater, which of course he led
to a Rose Bowl, but also McAfee not really. He
came back at Ryan Leaf and crushed him. On the
other hand, it was kind of an uneducated crush because
he's like, where were you guys when you won one game,
two games and you suck? They were still there, Like
old Crimson. The Washington State flag has been there anytime
I've ever seen college game back, you know, when they
(34:58):
were in studio, maybe it wasn't there, or maybe maybe
in the very early days. They've even done pieces on it.
So I thought mcaffee showed that he doesn't really know
the history. And most guys that are in the NFL,
like they don't watch college football except for their own team.
You know, I don't know anything about it because they're
getting ready for a game. They get their own lives,
they get wives, they got jobs, they moved around. So
(35:20):
I think he exposed himself as somebody who doesn't really
know the sport per se. And it's hard. It's super
hard to do a radio show, to do wrestling, to
do all the other stuff that you're doing. And then
oh yeah, by the way, like college football fans, if
you make a mistake, they act like you know you're
the biggest idiot on earth, and you don't have any
(35:40):
sort of equity because you haven't been a college football
guy for a long long time. Completely understand by the way,
Pat McAfee, we do know that when the biggest, one
of the biggest upsets in our lifetime was when he
was the kicker for West Virginia they lost the Backyard
Brawl as a massive favorite to pay Witsburg. He missed
(36:00):
a huge kick. All that said, yeah, I'm with you.
I wish that more guys who had the power to
be benevolent were in fact benevolent. But you and I
both know, Jay stew that this game produces massive, massive egos,
(36:22):
and guys don't want to be made to look bad,
especially I believe the non athletes, even the athletes, they
don't want to be made to look bad. And I
think that Ryan tried to make them look bad. And
my guess though, is that that was an upper management decision,
not a Herbie or even a McAfee decision. I don't
think he cares.
Speaker 9 (36:44):
So many annoying things about that. And my again my
takeaway annoyance here is Yes, when people make it, and
they make a ton of money, and they're at the top,
and they still play the petty political games and hand
pick people to be removed from there from their space.
I think that's bullshit. But anyways, the third thing I
(37:07):
think is annoying today is companies or entities that still
use Roman numerals. You know, we're gonna have Drew Brees
on the show here in the next couple of weeks.
And I was just doing some research today. I tried
to find out which Super Bowl he was the MVP of,
and all I was getting was Roman numerals that I'm
completely illiterate in. So the Roman numeral for forty four.
(37:31):
It took me three to four articles, and I still
didn't see anyone like put in parentheses the number. I
had to ask Sam what it is. He had to
go to Google to type it in to translate it.
I used, Ali, why are we using Roman numerals for anything?
The NFL needs to just start using numbers. It's it's America,
(37:51):
this is the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, remember there was a time when it was predicted
we'd switch to the metric system. Do you remember that.
I think we were kids, I don't. They were like, yeah,
we're gonna switch to the metric system any year now,
and we never have. We definitely aren't going to Roman numerals. Look,
I think Roman numerals are cool, and you know, even
Super Bowl fifty I even thought that was kind of cool.
(38:18):
But it's very confusing. It's very confusing. Why are we
using Roman numerals when nothing about the sport is Roman?
Speaker 9 (38:31):
So you have a djon A Carrington's take on WNBA.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
These Djonair Carrington, I mean they're just so obnoxious, so annoying.
I don't care how good Caitlin Kirk is and how
much fun to watch he is. Everything else in the
WNBA is incredibly unannoying, not just because the basketball is
not good or I don't really care, people don't really care,
(38:57):
but also because they just refuse to get it, either
from a social equity standpoint or a financial equity standpoint.
And for that reason, why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Why because we can?
Speaker 9 (39:20):
Gilbert Arenas owns this space because one he says dumb
things yes, and two he likes to cuss. This is
the same on his podcast you know you know what, like.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
When people talk about Kyrie's on guard, Kyrie is a
snail compared to lifers.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Nail Jesus like he has.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Look think about how many moves, how many combo moves
Kyrie has to get by somebody one move, that's all. Yeah,
I mean I got down Everson. He was quick and fast,
he was a blur. Carrie every a better player, I
mean better skill. It's not really close. But I was
(40:07):
actually hanging out with Allen iverson this weekend at this
event and a pump vent you know, I know you've
been there before. And the one thing he still has
is or the kids say, Aura, right, there's just a
feeling around him and yeah, I mean he just had that.
But he's right, he's a absolute freak of nature athlete.
(40:28):
But let's not undersell Kyrie in terms of athletically. And
the fact is that great players in basketball are not
always the fastest and jump the jump the highest or
the tallest. He brought up Steph Curry for a reason.
Why do we play it for you? Because we can?
All right, that's it for in the bonus, she got
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